| 01:41.16 | vaxen | whats the difference between a hard reset and a soft reset? |
| 01:52.39 | awelux | soft reset doesn't delete the data |
| 01:52.59 | awelux | a hard reset will delete all data and settings |
| 02:53.59 | vaxen | soft reset samething as pressing down the power button and it ask you whether you want to powerdown the device? |
| 02:54.22 | vaxen | samething as pressing the little hole? |
| 02:54.34 | vaxen | poking should i say |
| 03:03.38 | vaxen | what is SPL and IPL? its something to do with the bootloader? |
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| 07:51.03 | awelux | soft reset is compareable to rebooting the pc by pulling the power plug |
| 07:51.15 | awelux | hard reset is compareable to a reinstallation from rescue cd |
| 07:51.39 | awelux | soft resets are normal for wince |
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| 19:54.04 | awelux_ | hi |
| 19:54.23 | awelux_ | cr2 would it make sense to splitt the dump pxa27x command a little ? |
| 19:54.36 | awelux_ | like dump pxa27x for everything |
| 19:54.54 | awelux_ | and dump pxa27x tty for serial information |
| 19:55.08 | awelux_ | and mmu, lcd, dma etc |
| 19:56.53 | cr2 | hi awelux |
| 19:57.10 | cr2 | split it into functions and call then. |
| 20:00.54 | cr2 | i could not find any supplier of the mini-USB AB and AA cable. it seems i must cut 2 B connectors and solder myself ;) can be difficult with the OTG pin. |
| 20:02.59 | awelux_ | strange. I'd thought you could get thjem at media markt or saturn |
| 20:03.59 | cr2 | they laughed at me there. |
| 20:04.24 | cr2 | i have explained the guy what is it about. he was _very_ surprised. |
| 20:08.17 | cr2 | i don't see anything at ebay too. |
| 20:09.07 | vaxen | i'm sure some online store carries that |
| 20:09.38 | vaxen | so omap850 is a no go for linux? |
| 20:10.46 | awelux_ | I've seen omap support in the normal kernel |
| 20:10.55 | awelux_ | but the device support is poor |
| 20:11.01 | awelux_ | omap is just another arm |
| 20:13.17 | vaxen | wouldnt the arm code work? |
| 20:14.20 | cr2 | the arm code will work, but the on-cpu devices are very different. |
| 20:15.13 | vaxen | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4475809720.html |
| 20:15.22 | vaxen | with gps, omap running linux |
| 20:15.30 | vaxen | hope it goes into production |
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| 20:23.47 | awelux_ | see it this way vaxen. Right now your wizard is a real challenge |
| 20:24.52 | awelux_ | so while using it with linux in daily life isn't happening soon you can still try to boot what's working. |
| 21:05.32 | cr2 | oh. i have 8 leds. |
| 21:15.03 | cr2 | awelux, i find the non-booting magician very frustrating. |
| 21:18.33 | awelux_ | hehe. me too |
| 21:18.50 | awelux_ | another weekend that will go down the drain |
| 21:19.01 | cr2 | it seems i should do some hardcore research during the weekend :) |
| 21:19.24 | awelux_ | does the universal have ir? |
| 21:20.55 | cr2 | yes. |
| 21:21.03 | cr2 | even fir |
| 21:21.18 | cr2 | but i have never seen the fir being used. |
| 21:21.36 | awelux_ | there is sir it seams |
| 21:22.58 | awelux_ | for ir there is a stuart which seams to be used. |
| 21:23.40 | awelux_ | if we could get sir debug messages it could help a lot. |
| 21:23.49 | awelux_ | I want to switch off the lcd |
| 21:24.17 | awelux_ | and use the default kernel with it's serial line debug messages |
| 21:25.00 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:26.05 | awelux_ | then I would start from a clean kernel and add the hooks to compile this with the magician name to the magician cvs. |
| 21:26.17 | awelux_ | The current one is a mess. |
| 21:55.34 | cr2 | ok. i have working bluetooth now. the 'hciconfig -a' and 'hcitool scan' sees the notebook. |
| 21:56.05 | cr2 | the simple leds (vibra,flashlight, keyboard, phone) work too. |
| 21:56.36 | cr2 | bt/wifi and asic3 blinking leds do not work. maybe i have overlooked something. |
| 22:04.17 | awelux_ | I've a load, bt, on led too |
| 22:04.25 | awelux_ | which does blink. |
| 22:04.51 | awelux_ | And I noticed that it will still blink when the cpu crashed. |
| 22:05.08 | awelux_ | so the blinking must be handeled by a seperate device. |
| 22:09.14 | cr2 | interesting. |
| 22:09.31 | cr2 | do you know if max1587 has some mmaped registers ? |
| 22:16.39 | awelux_ | no. I don't |
| 22:18.29 | awelux_ | It' doesn't |
| 22:18.37 | awelux_ | there are not enough pins for that |
| 22:22.02 | cr2 | for what ? |
| 22:22.27 | awelux_ | not enough pins for mmaped registers on the max1587 |
| 22:22.36 | awelux_ | it uses a I2C interface |
| 22:23.05 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:24.21 | awelux_ | http://pdfserv.maxim-ic.com/en/ds/MAX1586A-MAX1587C.pdf |
| 22:26.06 | awelux_ | to get serial ir working and test it a haret sendir command could be helpfull |
| 22:27.00 | cr2 | do you see the wince broadcast ? |
| 22:27.16 | cr2 | if not, then you will not see the kernel messages too. |
| 22:27.45 | awelux_ | wince broadcast? you mean on my pc usb irda? |
| 22:27.52 | cr2 | yes. |
| 22:28.06 | awelux_ | no I don't see it right now. But I had it set up once that I could see some data |
| 22:28.26 | cr2 | you can modify the IR sigmatel driver to log the packets into syslog. |
| 22:28.41 | cr2 | not nice, but it will work. |
| 22:29.01 | awelux_ | so wince is sending something from time to time? |
| 22:29.10 | awelux_ | how long would I have to wait for a braodcast ? |
| 22:29.18 | cr2 | because the magician will send raw packets. |
| 22:29.34 | cr2 | broadcast is approx. 1 per 2 seconds |
| 22:29.40 | cr2 | 1 packet. |
| 22:30.01 | cr2 | it is always there, you can't switch it off (with "normal" means) |
| 22:41.52 | awelux_ | it seams like udev doesn't find the device in it's maps |
| 22:42.01 | awelux_ | and doesn't create tthe device |
| 23:02.56 | vaxen | whic device you guys working on? |
| 23:06.18 | cr2 | magician. |
| 23:06.34 | vaxen | right, maybe i should have gotten that |
| 23:06.42 | cr2 | the blueangel and universal are in a much better shape. |
| 23:07.11 | vaxen | universal is like a brick phone |
| 23:07.33 | cr2 | you can even make calls and send sms on blueangel. |
| 23:07.48 | cr2 | and the suspend/resume more or less works. |
| 23:08.04 | cr2 | universal is a micro-notebook. |
| 23:08.28 | cr2 | but with a very nice LCD and keyboard. |
| 23:08.31 | awelux_ | magician doens't boot yet |
| 23:08.40 | awelux_ | you can still overtake me there ;) |
| 23:09.01 | vaxen | i used to have a zaurus 760 |
| 23:09.10 | vaxen | only if they added GSM on it |
| 23:09.32 | vaxen | anyways, time for poker session |
| 23:09.34 | vaxen | laters |
| 23:10.06 | awelux_ | good luck ;) |
| 23:14.33 | awelux_ | at /proc/net/irda/discovery |
| 23:14.33 | awelux_ | IrLMP: Discovery log: |
| 23:14.33 | awelux_ | nickname: Pocket_PC, hint: 0x8224, saddr: 0x49d6e21b, daddr: 0x000028b2 |
| 23:14.57 | cr2 | ok. |
| 23:15.14 | cr2 | irdadump ? |
| 23:15.24 | awelux_ | root@jiminy:/etc/udev# irattach irda0 -s |
| 23:15.24 | awelux_ | root@jiminy:/etc/udev# cat /proc/net/irda/discovery |
| 23:15.25 | awelux_ | IrLMP: Discovery log: |
| 23:15.25 | awelux_ | nickname: Pocket_PC, hint: 0x8224, saddr: 0x49d6e21b, daddr: 0x000028b2 |
| 23:15.25 | awelux_ | root@jiminy:/etc/udev# irdadump |
| 23:15.25 | awelux_ | 23:17:02.312150 xid:cmd 49d6e21b > ffffffff S=6 s=0 (14) |
| 23:15.27 | awelux_ | 23:17:02.412095 xid:cmd 49d6e21b > ffffffff S=6 s=1 (14) |
| 23:15.29 | awelux_ | 23:17:02.512080 xid:cmd 49d6e21b > ffffffff S=6 s=2 (14) |
| 23:15.31 | awelux_ | 23:17:02.612059 xid:cmd 49d6e21b > ffffffff S=6 s=3 (14) |
| 23:15.35 | awelux_ | 23:17:02.712043 xid:cmd 49d6e21b > ffffffff S=6 s=4 (14) |
| 23:15.37 | awelux_ | 23:17:02.791317 xid:rsp 49d6e21b < 000028b2 S=6 s=4 Pocket_PC hint=8224 [ PDA/Palmtop IrCOMM IrOBEX ] (27) |
| 23:15.40 | awelux_ | 23:17:02.812036 xid:cmd 49d6e21b > ffffffff S=6 s=5 (14) |
| 23:15.42 | awelux_ | 23:17:02.912018 xid:cmd 49d6e21b > ffffffff S=6 s=* jiminy hint=0400 [ Computer ] (22) |
| 23:15.44 | awelux_ | 23:17:05.311657 xid:cmd 49d6e21b > ffffffff S=6 s=0 (14) |
| 23:16.29 | cr2 | ircomm ? then you advertise your phone as a modem :) |
| 23:16.41 | cr2 | only irobex here on the universal. |
| 23:17.11 | awelux_ | ircomm is currently not working |
| 23:18.00 | cr2 | ok. |
| 23:18.09 | cr2 | irdadump -x -p |
| 23:18.12 | cr2 | maybe . |
| 23:20.06 | awelux_ | modprobe irtty_sir |
| 23:20.10 | awelux_ | missed that one |
| 23:20.14 | awelux_ | yea yea yea |
| 23:21.13 | cr2 | the kernel will talk raw sir, not irda. that's my main concern. |
| 23:21.52 | awelux_ | wouldn't it talk ircomm ? |
| 23:22.08 | awelux_ | I've read that com ports are part of the irda standard |
| 23:22.13 | cr2 | no. it is too difficult. |
| 23:22.36 | cr2 | there is a protocol stack. |
| 23:22.45 | cr2 | telnet != serial port. |
| 23:23.54 | cr2 | ircomm is like telnet, imho. |
| 23:28.51 | awelux_ | it's sad in a way that you can't buy a simple serial ir port anymore. |
| 23:29.25 | awelux_ | at least not in normal shops |
| 23:30.30 | cr2 | hehe. even your bluetooth is usb. |
| 23:32.16 | cr2 | btw. have you changed the textaddr-* when you have loaded the kernel at 2MB ? |
| 23:35.54 | awelux_ | I thought yes. But there is something fishy there |
| 23:36.02 | awelux_ | I'm mstill investigating. |
| 23:36.25 | awelux_ | Somehow the kernel get's loaded to the wrong address by my modified haret |
| 23:36.40 | awelux_ | but the jump to the kernel works |
| 23:37.02 | cr2 | what do you think about writing a standalone small bootloader ? |
| 23:37.27 | awelux_ | that would boot from sd? |
| 23:37.56 | awelux_ | should not be to hard. linux needs little to boot. |
| 23:37.57 | cr2 | if the memory is allocated with allocphysmemory, then all this copying to 0xa00* is irrelevant. |
| 23:38.06 | cr2 | and page tables. |
| 23:38.27 | cr2 | the kernel will be linked as a resource data. |
| 23:38.35 | cr2 | i have already written and tested this code. |
| 23:38.43 | cr2 | boot3 command. |
| 23:38.57 | cr2 | the code for loading the resource. |
| 23:39.18 | cr2 | you only need to memcpy it into the memory obrained with allocphysmem |
| 23:39.30 | awelux_ | but then you would need to boot the zImage or it wouldn't get relocated right ? |
| 23:39.58 | cr2 | you don't need zimage if your root is on SD. |
| 23:40.17 | awelux_ | ok |
| 23:40.34 | awelux_ | I need the current sd for backups |
| 23:40.35 | cr2 | there is only one use for zimage. |
| 23:40.45 | awelux_ | I will buy a small one for tests tomorrow |
| 23:41.02 | cr2 | to format the SD and transfer the linux packages :) |
| 23:41.17 | cr2 | 512MB is a small one ? :) |
| 23:41.50 | awelux_ | I will mlook at the prices. 64MB should do. |
| 23:42.02 | awelux_ | But if the others are cheap |
| 23:42.13 | cr2 | i think 512 is the most reasonable. |
| 23:42.26 | awelux_ | I've a 1GB card already |
| 23:42.41 | cr2 | price/MB. |
| 23:43.25 | awelux_ | If I don't need 400 of th 500MB it doesn't make sense to pay for them. |
| 23:43.33 | awelux_ | But I will check it out. |
| 23:43.41 | cr2 | ok. |
| 23:43.49 | awelux_ | Do I need a SD card writer for the PC? I guess it would help. |
| 23:44.02 | awelux_ | Anything I should look out for buying these ? |
| 23:44.12 | cr2 | if you will use gps, you will need more than 400 :) |
| 23:44.30 | cr2 | 10 euro. i bought one more yesterday. |
| 23:44.34 | awelux_ | I don't have gps in the magician. |
| 23:44.44 | awelux_ | oh |
| 23:44.44 | awelux_ | lol |
| 23:44.47 | awelux_ | ok got it |
| 23:45.02 | awelux_ | Do you shuffle through ebay regularly for gps mice ? |
| 23:45.04 | cr2 | all of then work |
| 23:45.26 | cr2 | i have never seen an usb cardreader that does not work in linux. |
| 23:45.32 | awelux_ | ok. good |
| 23:46.01 | awelux_ | I'm interested in these gps mice which include a traffic radio reciever. |
| 23:46.14 | awelux_ | to get updates automatically. |
| 23:46.23 | cr2 | two my gps receivers are dead since two weeks. |
| 23:46.34 | cr2 | weird. |
| 23:46.52 | cr2 | do such exist ? |
| 23:49.32 | awelux_ | http://cgi.ebay.de/GNS-5843-Bluetooth-GPS-Maus-RDS-TMC-BT-SIRF-III-20-Kana_W0QQitemZ5880851239QQcategoryZ77359QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 23:52.42 | cr2 | hmm. not cheap, but is also not bad. with an external mcx antenna. |
| 23:53.06 | cr2 | GNS 2.0- und NMEA-Protokoll |
| 23:53.49 | cr2 | should be possible to switch to sirf binary. and waste the energy by switching to 20 channels :) |
| 23:54.04 | awelux_ | yes. I hope these devices are available for around 100€ soon. |
| 23:54.44 | cr2 | hahaha. "Kostenlose Nutzung von GPS-Daten" |
| 23:54.53 | awelux_ | the sirf3 supports 20 channels internaly ? |
| 23:55.03 | cr2 | yes. |
| 23:55.10 | awelux_ | yes. I've seen offeres for this thing for 190€ |
| 23:55.13 | cr2 | but usually only 12 are used. |
| 23:55.42 | cr2 | and you need to be in a right place at a right time to see 11 of them ;) |
| 23:57.33 | cr2 | on average 5 satellites are used for calculating the fix. |
| 23:58.33 | cr2 | so they actually spread a lot of false information about gps to gullible consumers ... |
| 23:59.07 | cr2 | forcing them to buy the latest and presumably the best. |