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| 15:08.20 | jeanseb | hi |
| 15:40.54 | awelux | hi |
| 15:41.34 | awelux | what is your progress with linux on your ba jeanseb ? |
| 15:53.20 | jeanseb | i just have the SPV 2000 |
| 15:53.31 | jeanseb | and will soon start working on ! |
| 15:54.05 | jeanseb | in fact i need the phone so i can't set it up full time under linux for the moment and |
| 15:54.16 | jeanseb | setting up linux is data destructive |
| 15:54.30 | jeanseb | so looking for a way to do both |
| 15:54.40 | jeanseb | i got it for 3 week now |
| 15:56.31 | awelux | I'm using the sunnysoft backup manager. This can create self extracting system backups on a SD card. |
| 15:56.58 | awelux | So after I'm done xeperimenting I can go back to a working phone. |
| 15:57.36 | awelux | To keep windows and linux on the same system and be able to switch between them is tricky. |
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| 20:58.24 | cr2 | hi awelux, is your magician still alive ? |
| 20:59.45 | awelux | yes |
| 21:00.26 | cr2 | is it already running linux ? :) |
| 21:00.37 | awelux | no |
| 21:01.11 | cr2 | http://forum.xda-developers.com/files/gpe_pxafb_universal.jpg |
| 21:01.40 | awelux | I tried to load an uncompressed kernel but haret failes to get the physical addresses tthen |
| 21:02.00 | cr2 | why uncompressed ? |
| 21:02.42 | cr2 | what kernel are you using ? this picture is for pxafb, you will need to set your parameters. |
| 21:02.48 | awelux | It seams to fails to uncompress the kernel. I think... |
| 21:03.12 | cr2 | which kernel ? |
| 21:04.38 | awelux | the un0 one |
| 21:05.09 | awelux | ptable: page=362 pfnn=13764 0xa35c4000 |
| 21:05.10 | awelux | ptable: page=363 pfnn=13765 0xa35c5000 |
| 21:05.10 | awelux | ptable: page=364 pfnn=13766 0xa35c6000 |
| 21:05.10 | awelux | ptable: page=365 pfnn=13767 0xa35c7000 |
| 21:05.10 | awelux | ptable: page=366 pfnn=13768 0xa35c8000 |
| 21:05.10 | awelux | ptable: page=367 pfnn=393215 0xffffffff |
| 21:05.18 | awelux | why could that fail ? |
| 21:05.45 | cr2 | hmm. i think i should download the -ma1 branch and add the files. |
| 21:05.57 | cr2 | with my latest haret it is impossible ? |
| 21:07.10 | cr2 | i have already seen this failure on page 367, that's why i have written a memory allocation replacement. |
| 21:07.14 | awelux | I'm still using my own |
| 21:07.21 | awelux | ok. |
| 21:07.30 | awelux | I've to merge them it seams |
| 21:07.45 | cr2 | try my haret in http://jornada820.sf.net/files/uni |
| 21:08.10 | awelux | I'm writing some more debug info to the screen and set some pixels for a progress indication. |
| 21:08.31 | awelux | So I'm certain I reach the kernel mode. |
| 21:08.45 | cr2 | it is interesting. |
| 21:08.48 | awelux | I mean I reach the kernel |
| 21:09.12 | cr2 | i think we should be able to boot on magician RSN. |
| 21:09.12 | awelux | ok I will try it out |
| 21:09.21 | awelux | RSN ? |
| 21:09.45 | cr2 | real soon now :) |
| 21:10.31 | cr2 | do you have the kernel source downloaded ? i don't want to mess with my local version. |
| 21:11.24 | awelux | yes |
| 21:11.34 | awelux | I'm on the phone her |
| 21:11.39 | awelux | *here |
| 21:13.16 | cr2 | ok. then remove the asic3 stuff from htcuniversal.c |
| 21:13.33 | awelux | phone :/ |
| 21:14.07 | cr2 | static struct asic3_platform_data htcuniversal_asic3_platform_data = { |
| 21:14.22 | cr2 | static struct resource asic3_resources[] = { |
| 21:14.30 | cr2 | EXPORT_SYMBOL(htcuniversal_asic3); |
| 21:14.59 | cr2 | &htcuniversal_asic3 |
| 21:15.15 | cr2 | the rest should be ok. |
| 21:15.39 | cr2 | #define EARLY_SIR_CONSOLE 1 |
| 21:15.46 | cr2 | can be commented out |
| 21:16.31 | cr2 | htcuniversal_core.c |
| 21:16.36 | cr2 | is not necessary. |
| 21:17.20 | cr2 | static struct pxafb_mach_info htcuniversal_fb_info |
| 21:17.39 | cr2 | should have your values. framebuffer address is not needed. |
| 21:18.24 | cr2 | i can tell you the fb_info values, because i have decoded them. |
| 21:28.33 | awelux | http://forum.xda-developers.com/files/gpe_pxafb_universal.jpg <- nice |
| 21:28.57 | awelux | (thats how far I am still phone |
| 21:29.58 | awelux | ah. I need a headset |
| 21:30.14 | awelux | call done. |
| 21:31.11 | awelux | I've added asm code that will show me to where the kernel is copied with yellow pixels |
| 21:31.51 | awelux | http://jornada820.sourceforge.net/files/haret/haret-gnu-20060217.tar.bz2 already has the new memory allocation ? |
| 21:33.32 | cr2 | yes. |
| 21:34.04 | awelux | adrr0, LC0 |
| 21:34.04 | awelux | ldmiar0, {r1, r2, r3, r4, r5, r6, ip, sp} |
| 21:34.18 | awelux | I don't understand the adr command here. |
| 21:34.25 | awelux | I couldn't find it in the ARM manual |
| 21:35.14 | cr2 | i think it is some kind of a "macro" command |
| 21:35.25 | awelux | that is possible |
| 21:36.12 | awelux | looks like it's gnu asm specific |
| 21:37.17 | cr2 | i don't think so. |
| 21:38.01 | punkgeek | cr2, are you a dev ? |
| 21:38.07 | awelux | yes ;) |
| 21:38.20 | cr2 | it is often used to put an address into the register |
| 21:38.25 | punkgeek | i need some technical info about garet |
| 21:38.39 | cr2 | haret ? |
| 21:38.48 | awelux | I just hope the adr thing works as expected. |
| 21:38.51 | punkgeek | yes |
| 21:39.15 | cr2 | ok- |
| 21:40.16 | cr2 | what was the question ? |
| 21:40.23 | punkgeek | i need to know why booting linux is destructive for window CE ? |
| 21:40.42 | cr2 | awelux: should i compile the kernel for magician ? |
| 21:40.54 | awelux | cr2, let me try first ;) |
| 21:41.00 | awelux | I've had a horrible week |
| 21:41.06 | cr2 | punkgeek: it is destructive to the wince RAM data, not wince itself. |
| 21:41.41 | punkgeek | yes but softreset sdon't work need the hard and all to be restored |
| 21:41.45 | awelux | punkgeek, it's destructive because we don't care what memory is used by wince and we don't have a way to figure out which memory is not used by wnce. |
| 21:42.14 | cr2 | the compressed kernel is relocated over the wince kernel in RAM, the decompression routine needs some more memory, and then the kernel uses all available memory. |
| 21:42.19 | punkgeek | ok awelux but couldn't it be set by params ? |
| 21:42.20 | awelux | punkgeek, softreset assumes all memory is still ok. hardreset will restart from the internal eeprom |
| 21:43.02 | awelux | punkgeek, you could try and allocate a lot of ram in wince, remember where this ram is physically and try to get linux to just use this ram. |
| 21:43.09 | punkgeek | yes but hard reset wil lenforce me resintall widow CE and restore all contact fiels |
| 21:43.13 | cr2 | punkgeek: you can find all the memory pages that wince is not using, and transfer this info to the kernel. |
| 21:43.27 | awelux | But it would require to rewrtie quite a bit of the kernel. |
| 21:43.43 | cr2 | but the kernel boot process is assuming that ALL the memory is for linux. |
| 21:43.57 | punkgeek | awelux, so the problem is in kernel memory detection right ? |
| 21:44.20 | awelux | not really the detection. there are several levels of this problem. |
| 21:44.38 | cr2 | with some dirty tricks you can probably boot the kernel in the "second" 32MB block. |
| 21:44.40 | awelux | first, the kernel assumes it's in continous memory. |
| 21:44.45 | awelux | That is VERY hard to change. |
| 21:45.25 | awelux | But it should be possible to allocate a lot of ram and find a few MB continous allocated ram within. |
| 21:45.27 | cr2 | awelux: not really, but you need at least a 8MB chunk to boot |
| 21:45.39 | cr2 | contiguous chunk. |
| 21:46.03 | punkgeek | my spv 2000 got 128 Mb of ram |
| 21:46.09 | awelux | cr2, yes, not all must be continous. |
| 21:46.20 | punkgeek | win CE live it 125 (dunno why) |
| 21:46.36 | awelux | and from within haret you would build a map of the free memory. |
| 21:46.43 | punkgeek | I was think allocating the middle 64 for linux |
| 21:47.06 | cr2 | the tests on himalaya (128MB) have shown that you have a hard time allocating more than 12MB |
| 21:47.08 | punkgeek | till all functionality available in tux (lack phone and wifi now) |
| 21:47.20 | awelux | punkgeek, that won't work this way. You can't tell wince to allocate a specific physical location. |
| 21:47.34 | cr2 | take the latest haret, run KMALLOC command, and look at its source. |
| 21:47.55 | awelux | you can only check after allocation where the memory was allocated. All memory is allocated in 4k chunks by wince |
| 21:48.16 | punkgeek | and tweaking window internal ? |
| 21:48.17 | awelux | so if you allocate 64MB you really allocate 1500 4k chunks |
| 21:48.31 | awelux | punkgeek, that's tricky without the source |
| 21:49.10 | punkgeek | i did it with a friend on usb stack of 98 some time ago to adapt usn sniffer |
| 21:49.14 | punkgeek | usb sniffer |
| 21:49.30 | cr2 | awelux: wince >4.2 allows allocating a contiguous block, but still on the page basis. |
| 21:49.34 | punkgeek | is there a dev kit on the net for CE ? |
| 21:49.54 | punkgeek | cr2, that what i think about |
| 21:49.55 | cr2 | punkgeek: you don't really need it |
| 21:50.30 | punkgeek | if I want to tweak in CE memory struct to reserve tux memory psace yes |
| 21:50.44 | cr2 | take gcc and read the msdn stuff. i have already put 3 diffderent memory alloc functions in haret. there is nothing left. |
| 21:50.53 | punkgeek | struct passed to api call tell a lot about them |
| 21:51.02 | cr2 | you can't rewrite the wince kernel ,) |
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| 21:51.24 | punkgeek | cr2, not rewrite but change pointer in struct ! |
| 21:51.25 | cr2 | yes. look at KMALLOC, VMALLOC and WMALLOC in the latest haret. |
| 21:52.08 | punkgeek | cvs o sf for haret ? |
| 21:53.13 | cr2 | here: http://jornada820.sourceforge.net/files/haret |
| 21:53.38 | cr2 | http://jornada820.sourceforge.net/files/haret/haret-gnu-20060217.tar.bz2 |
| 21:56.26 | punkgeek | ok |
| 21:56.44 | punkgeek | what is doing the ?ALLOC function |
| 21:56.52 | punkgeek | ?MALLOC |
| 21:58.03 | cr2 | allocates as much physical memory as possible, with three different methods. |
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| 21:59.05 | punkgeek | ok |
| 21:59.15 | punkgeek | now talk avbout merorie |
| 21:59.18 | punkgeek | now talk avbout merories |
| 21:59.30 | punkgeek | that two space on the MPV 2000 |
| 21:59.52 | cr2 | punkgeek, if you are crazy about wince internals, then port the wine coff loader to arm :) |
| 21:59.59 | punkgeek | first is 125 Mb size called "memoire" in french |
| 22:00.06 | cr2 | which two spaces ? |
| 22:00.16 | punkgeek | pricipal |
| 22:00.28 | punkgeek | principal is the french name |
| 22:00.53 | punkgeek | second is 43.26 Mb and called stockage |
| 22:00.55 | awelux | punkgeek, cr2 told me a while ago about a wince compiler on the vlc project pages. I'm using it to compile gnu-haret |
| 22:01.04 | punkgeek | i havent any sd card |
| 22:01.34 | awelux | ah. |
| 22:01.38 | cr2 | the RAM is divided into two parts, it is controlled by wince kernel. |
| 22:01.41 | punkgeek | thanks awelux |
| 22:02.22 | punkgeek | where are they on the mapping of the wiki ? |
| 22:02.56 | cr2 | nowhere, because this is not a static mapping. |
| 22:02.58 | awelux | the SD cards are quite cheap and very usefull for backups. |
| 22:03.08 | awelux | Unfortunately it's weekend already |
| 22:03.21 | cr2 | yeah. i will also suggest to buy a card. |
| 22:05.04 | cr2 | it was possible to use SetMemoryDivision() or something like that on old versios of wince, but not anymore. |
| 22:05.35 | punkgeek | cr2, it is plan |
| 22:05.42 | punkgeek | planned |
| 22:05.59 | cr2 | actually you can, but the wince kernel will override your setting if it seems necessary. and it tries to keep the division equal. |
| 22:06.00 | punkgeek | is there a max size for the MPV 2000 |
| 22:07.03 | cr2 | i think you will need the wince kernel source to override this behaviour. |
| 22:09.33 | punkgeek | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelVirtualMemoryMapping |
| 22:09.37 | punkgeek | take a look here |
| 22:09.59 | punkgeek | in WINCE memory map section |
| 22:10.39 | cr2 | yes. can you override this table at boottime ? |
| 22:11.17 | cr2 | are you sure there are no side effects, if you will, for example, patch the wince kernel binary ? |
| 22:11.43 | punkgeek | in fact what y wanna know is where are the memory section the control panel tell me about |
| 22:12.42 | cr2 | i will look for a link that can help you. |
| 22:13.27 | awelux | oh, I think you have the misconception that the way wince displays the allocated memory, two bars with the space in the middle, has anything to do with the actual physical allocation of the memory. |
| 22:13.28 | cr2 | search for nkarm.h on google. |
| 22:13.34 | punkgeek | is sd card size limited ? |
| 22:14.11 | cr2 | punkgeek: i use 512M |
| 22:14.28 | cr2 | awelux: ??? |
| 22:14.29 | awelux | I've a 1GB card but I've a magician |
| 22:15.04 | cr2 | they say that 4GB should work with asic3. |
| 22:15.09 | awelux | the control panel shows you how much memory is free. right? |
| 22:15.20 | awelux | But it doesn't tell you where this free memory is. |
| 22:15.29 | awelux | it's certainly not in the "middle" of the ram |
| 22:15.48 | cr2 | yes. this is also a part of haret. search for MEMORYSTATUS |
| 22:16.54 | punkgeek | mine is blueangel |
| 22:16.58 | punkgeek | yes |
| 22:17.02 | punkgeek | awelux, i don't where mapped the free page but ALL pages are physicly contigus as they are on the same chip |
| 22:17.05 | punkgeek | ram is a 128 mb block |
| 22:17.12 | punkgeek | flash is a 32 Mb block |
| 22:17.17 | cr2 | i can suggest to kill the unnecessary wince programs in haret and try to run an allocation test. |
| 22:18.05 | cr2 | punkgeek: it is true, but you don't want to hurt wince. then you need to know where is the wince data. |
| 22:18.49 | cr2 | i think that the lower part and something at the memory top is used by wince. remembering from the jornada820 times :) |
| 22:18.53 | punkgeek | cr2, yes but moving page is an easy stuff |
| 22:19.29 | awelux | I suggest you work hard on getting a reliable backup of your ba data and copy that to the PC. Then you can start experimenting with linux. |
| 22:19.41 | punkgeek | win CE kernel should be contigous aor at least included in a big contigous block |
| 22:20.02 | awelux | You will never manage to rewrite the kernel to live side by side with wince peacefully on the first try. |
| 22:20.02 | punkgeek | awelux, yes for ... next WE ! |
| 22:20.19 | cr2 | the most low-level memory allocation stuff is in WMALLOC. completely undocumented. RUN it, and look at the pages. then you wil know better. |
| 22:20.21 | awelux | So you need a abckup anyway |
| 22:20.52 | punkgeek | cr2, look at my plan : |
| 22:21.10 | punkgeek | allocate memory then |
| 22:22.06 | punkgeek | check in the window struct to find phyisal address and then copy data of the physical adress I want in the chunk just allocated |
| 22:22.56 | punkgeek | then move pointer in Win CE struct to trick it, like physical address i want is which i have and the one i got was the one with the data i wanted to replace |
| 22:23.20 | punkgeek | and so on and we then coule alllocate the first 64 (to say a value) Mb |
| 22:23.32 | punkgeek | then we limit kernel max memory size |
| 22:23.50 | punkgeek | by a (new ?) kernel param |
| 22:24.11 | punkgeek | playable ? |
| 22:25.05 | cr2 | i can suggest you three things: look at the WMALLOC source, look at the jornada820 kernel source, look for the nkarm.h |
| 22:25.45 | cr2 | then it will be much easier to discuss the specifics. |
| 22:26.26 | punkgeek | ok now gotta leave you |
| 22:26.36 | awelux | cu punkgeek |
| 22:26.39 | punkgeek | may be tomorrow while looking in the source ! |
| 22:26.45 | awelux | happy reading ;) |
| 22:26.50 | punkgeek | lol |
| 22:35.55 | awelux | ah. when I call make zImage a chang to compressed/head.S isn't detected. |
| 22:36.23 | awelux | I wondered why nothing happened and was always working with the old file. |
| 22:36.44 | cr2 | awelux: i am compiling the fresh kernel now. |
| 22:36.52 | awelux | ok. thanks. |
| 22:37.27 | cr2 | i will keep the 855 number to make things easier. |
| 22:37.31 | awelux | I'm using this oppotunity to understand the boot process in detail. So I'm fine with tracing the boot process line by lione for a while |
| 22:37.36 | awelux | do that. |
| 22:37.55 | awelux | btw. in the latest linus kernel 855 is the number form the magician |
| 22:38.06 | awelux | they add numbers before the device is really supported. |
| 22:38.24 | cr2 | ? |
| 22:38.54 | cr2 | i thought the arm.uk repository is authoritative. |
| 22:39.13 | awelux | oh. |
| 22:39.16 | awelux | and I messed up |
| 22:39.27 | awelux | htcuniversalMACH_HTCUNIVERSALHTCUNIVERSAL855 |
| 22:39.47 | awelux | that's from linux-2.6.15.1 |
| 22:39.57 | awelux | magicianMACH_MAGICIANMAGICIAN875 |
| 22:40.28 | awelux | They test at boot time if the machine type matches and just halt if it doesn't right? |
| 22:40.42 | cr2 | btw, do you know the touchscreen spi speed ? |
| 22:41.02 | awelux | no |
| 22:41.30 | cr2 | dump the ssp control registers. |
| 22:41.58 | cr2 | i think we should add this code to "dump pxa27x" |
| 22:42.14 | awelux | k. next time I'm there |
| 22:42.23 | cr2 | and other useful things like pwm parameters. |
| 22:43.54 | cr2 | i have compiled pxamci instead of asic3 now, but it needs a driver control struct... |
| 22:45.04 | awelux | HaRET(2)# dump pxa27x |
| 22:45.04 | awelux | Run Mode clock: 104.00MHz (*8) |
| 22:45.04 | awelux | Turbo Mode clock: 416.00MHz (*4.0, inactive) |
| 22:45.04 | awelux | Memory clock: 104.00MHz (/1) |
| 22:45.04 | awelux | System bus clock: 104.00MHz |
| 22:45.04 | awelux | memclk_frequency_10khz: 10400 |
| 22:45.06 | awelux | lcdlck_frequency_10khz: 5200 |
| 22:45.08 | awelux | lcdlck_pixclock: 153846 pcd=4 lccr3=04400004 |
| 22:47.56 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:48.07 | cr2 | i have the regs. |
| 22:48.42 | awelux | somehow the complete kernel is recompiling right now... |
| 22:48.53 | awelux | or at least all modules. |
| 22:49.10 | awelux | this might take a while |
| 22:49.21 | cr2 | i have left pxamci now. do you have a mmc card ? |
| 22:49.40 | awelux | SD card I thought ? |
| 22:49.45 | cr2 | no. mmc. |
| 22:49.51 | awelux | no. I don't |
| 22:50.06 | awelux | what's the difference? The magician takes sd cards. |
| 22:50.11 | cr2 | hmm. well. we don't need it right now. |
| 22:53.21 | awelux | when the htcuniversal_init is called we still have no mmu right ? |
| 22:54.10 | cr2 | yes. |
| 22:54.17 | cr2 | ok. i have compiled the kernel. |
| 22:55.24 | awelux | I will try it out right now. It will take a while until my compile is done |
| 22:56.21 | cr2 | take it from files/uni/zmag |
| 22:56.29 | cr2 | let me know if it works :) |
| 22:56.57 | awelux | hehe. I nwill do that for sure |
| 22:59.05 | cr2 | you should look at the hx2750 code. |
| 22:59.37 | awelux | So far I'm still in the decompression of the kernel part |
| 23:10.38 | cr2 | can you boot with my haret and my zimage ? |
| 23:16.14 | awelux | I think I've to download the rd too right? |
| 23:16.25 | awelux | just using the zImage didn'T work |
| 23:16.45 | awelux | now I retry with the complete set of your files. |
| 23:16.55 | awelux | gnuharet, rd startup and zmag |
| 23:17.11 | awelux | still downloading rd |
| 23:17.28 | cr2 | ok. |
| 23:26.56 | awelux | how long should it take untill I notice something after he pixels turned red ? |
| 23:31.12 | awelux | still nothing |
| 23:33.23 | cr2 | very short period 3-5 seconds on 520Mhz cpu, you have 416. |
| 23:33.38 | cr2 | what is you kernel command line ? |
| 23:34.28 | awelux | root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc ramdisk_size=14336 keepinitrd" |
| 23:34.39 | awelux | oh |
| 23:34.42 | awelux | wrong mach type |
| 23:35.00 | awelux | root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc ramdisk_size=14336 keepinitrd console=tty0 mem=63M |
| 23:35.03 | awelux | this one |
| 23:35.36 | awelux | I thought I might see the usb with lsusb |
| 23:36.16 | cr2 | first you should see the penguin on the fb. |
| 23:36.31 | cr2 | usb module is in the ramdisk. |
| 23:36.45 | awelux | no. I've still the haret screen |
| 23:37.17 | awelux | To setup the irda tty. |
| 23:37.39 | awelux | Do you have a tool that sends continous characters via ir ? |
| 23:37.49 | awelux | To let me setup the other devices? |
| 23:38.17 | awelux | I've currently no way of testing the ir setup at all. |
| 23:38.40 | awelux | And seting up the kernel and the ir settings is simply to much to do at once |
| 23:39.19 | cr2 | if you will enable the EARLY_SIR_CONSOLE then it _may_ send over IR. |
| 23:40.08 | awelux | is the serial stuff already setup in haret ? |
| 23:41.22 | cr2 | no. |
| 23:54.49 | awelux | I'm reserving 0x200 byte for the preloader now since I added a lot of stuff. |
