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| 12:18.28 | funky | hi |
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| 13:47.48 | mind_ | hey guys ;) |
| 13:48.32 | mind_ | is there a good qtvf laying around...? |
| 13:54.28 | rob_w | what is that `? |
| 13:56.06 | mind_ | qt virtual framebuffer... for testing qt applications! I obviosly meat qtvf guide ;) |
| 13:56.15 | mind_ | meant |
| 13:56.26 | mind_ | damn, my typing's no good today ;) |
| 14:03.06 | rob_w | check #opie for qt related stuff .. then generally qtfb works on ba |
| 14:04.00 | cr2 | hi guys |
| 14:04.30 | cr2 | mind: test it by compiling on normal qt. |
| 14:05.49 | rob_w | aso .. that you want .. |
| 14:17.33 | mind_ | cr2: I figured it out ;) tnx... |
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| 14:31.36 | lkcl | heya folks |
| 14:33.29 | mind_ | hey lkcl ;) |
| 14:34.43 | mind_ | lkcl: Im looking a bit more into how to build my dial application! I had a look at gnokii like you suggeste, but it seems like more of a hazzle to use gnokii then to just write my own libs... what about opie's gsmlib? have you looked into that? |
| 14:35.15 | lkcl | no, haven't looked at gsmlib. |
| 14:35.36 | lkcl | i have been talking to the developer of gnokii, he's been thinking of ways to do "sharing" etc. |
| 14:35.47 | lkcl | actually libgnokii is very very straightforward. |
| 14:36.04 | lkcl | what he suggested is that, because there is "locking" in libgnokii already, to simply: |
| 14:36.16 | lkcl | 1) make a connection 2) do an AT query 3) disconnect |
| 14:36.44 | lkcl | and have all the applications - the phone dialer, the sms app, the address-book plugin - do exactly that. |
| 14:37.00 | lkcl | i would _like_ to make it even simpler than that. |
| 14:37.49 | lkcl | to write an "intermediate" application that has three unix-domains-sockets: /tmp/.gnokii/phone, /tmp/.gnokii/sms, /tmp/.gnokii/address |
| 14:38.18 | mind_ | hmm... |
| 14:38.24 | lkcl | and you send the word "DIAL NNNNNN" <return> over the /tmp/.gnokii/phone socket |
| 14:38.27 | lkcl | etc. |
| 14:38.42 | lkcl | i don't mind writing the "daemon" side of that, if you want to write the qt side. |
| 14:39.49 | mind_ | well, I don't have any problem doing that, but I need to do some deamon work myself, just to get more into the AT side og GSM and socket comm etc... I need to go that because of my bachelor paper... only doing a qt app isn't going to cut it ;) |
| 14:40.22 | mind_ | that why I would like to try to build my own libs too... |
| 14:40.35 | cr2 | lkcl: i would like to send a certain "at" command, and get a reply within a timeout period. can it be done ? |
| 14:42.42 | cr2 | something like that: get the temperature of the gsm radio amplifier, and put it into the "about" page of qomunicator :) |
| 14:43.27 | lkcl | :) |
| 14:44.15 | lkcl | ah well, then mind: we can sort it out between us, then :) there's a stack of code in samba-tng that's a suitable starting point for setting up unix-domain-sockets. |
| 14:44.58 | lkcl | cr2: yes of course - the question is, do you want it to be in-amongst all the _other_ commands that will be thrown back-and-forth or do you _just_ want the temperature command? |
| 14:45.47 | cr2 | lkcl: i want a per phone capability list. universal will beat all phones. |
| 14:46.47 | cr2 | unix-domain-sockets idea is good. make the code unportable to windows :))) |
| 14:47.35 | cr2 | capabilities should be in an ascii conf file, not compiled in like the gomunicator. |
| 14:49.24 | mind_ | cr2: I agree... easyer to maintain and update... |
| 14:50.35 | mind_ | lkcl: do you have a url for that? |
| 14:50.58 | mind_ | lkcl: or just dl samba and check it out? |
| 14:53.30 | lkcl | wassat, wassat? oh - cvs.samba-tng.org |
| 14:53.38 | lkcl | no, not samba, samba tng. |
| 14:53.47 | lkcl | look at util_sock.c |
| 14:54.10 | mind_ | ah ;) tnx... |
| 14:56.43 | lkcl | yehh, unfortunately, cr2, some of the stuff is proprietary binary-formats (e.g. the nokia 7110) |
| 14:57.01 | lkcl | The Plan, mind: |
| 14:58.16 | lkcl | to have four file descriptors open - /dev/ttyS0, /tmp/.gnokii/phone|sms|address and to have a select() that listens for information on them all - not a threaded application, that's too complex and unnecessary. |
| 14:58.42 | lkcl | we're only going to have _one_ phone application, _one_ messaging application (i hope) and _one_ address book application. |
| 14:59.08 | lkcl | so it's not necessary to make it a multi-threaded or a complex server forking blah blah app. |
| 14:59.23 | lkcl | a single process will do the job. |
| 14:59.39 | lkcl | you can tell i detest dbus, can't you... |
| 15:00.21 | mind_ | sure seems like it ;) |
| 15:00.43 | mind_ | but ok, looks like a neat plan to me... |
| 15:00.43 | cr2 | don't hardcode /dev/ttyS0 and /tmp. it is not always /dev/ttyS0, and the phone can be used by multiple users. |
| 15:01.15 | lkcl | no, course not - i'd look to using libgnokii . oh. three sockets and libgnokii. sorry :) |
| 15:01.15 | mind_ | yeah, ofcourse... |
| 15:01.38 | lkcl | what am i sitting around for... |
| 15:01.43 | mind_ | ;) |
| 15:03.07 | mind_ | well, I'll try to get started on something soon... Gotta plow through unix-sockets and qt docs first... so don't expect anything for atleast a couple of days... but I'll let you know when I have something you can take a look at.. |
| 15:03.18 | cr2 | i also _hate_ the stupid kde /tmp/${service}-${user} approach. |
| 15:03.26 | lkcl | oh, i was thinking of starting right now :) |
| 15:03.56 | mind_ | lkcl: no doubt ;) |
| 15:05.47 | mind_ | I gotta write reports and all kinds of shit for this ;) sux... I already feel the load and I haven't even started yet ;) |
| 15:06.00 | lkcl | open_pipe_socket() |
| 15:06.11 | lkcl | create_pipe_socket. |
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| 16:37.15 | cr2 | wow! our friends from sdgsystems have released the hx4700 bootldr source!!! |
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| 16:44.29 | lkcl | cool! |
| 16:46.48 | mind_ | nice ;) |
| 16:48.57 | mind_ | lkcl: I've gotta pick a project name for my report. What about something straingforward like Opiedial? Any objections? |
| 17:00.30 | lkcl | sounds great. |
| 17:01.33 | lkcl | opiedial. i thought something punning "cute dialer" as in "qt dialer".... opiedial... says what it does... has a certain ring to it... |
| 17:09.01 | cr2 | i' m trying to compile the bootldr, but it seems that some parts are missing. nevertheless it is a good start. can be useful on ba and hima, too. |
| 17:10.37 | mind_ | ok, I'll go with opiedial... |
| 17:21.46 | cr2 | ok. bootldr wanted to see the sdg toolkit. now i have compiled it :) |
| 17:23.36 | lkcl | my book i wrote on msrpc five years back is going on amazon.com second-hand for $99 :) |
| 17:23.58 | lkcl | i never _got_ any money from it, they didn't print enough copies! |
| 17:24.03 | lkcl | *sigh*... |
| 17:29.59 | mind_ | ls |
| 17:30.02 | mind_ | ops ;) |
| 17:30.07 | mind_ | wrong window... |
| 17:34.11 | cr2 | those damn crackers :) |
| 17:35.34 | cr2 | i see the ATI video capture init sequence in the bootldr (hx4700 has ATI chipset like hima and ba). |
| 17:35.44 | lkcl | ooooo |
| 17:36.08 | cr2 | working camera soon ? :) |
| 17:40.19 | lkcl | .... where does the data go: direct to the screen? no, it can't.... you can do 640x480 but the screen only 320x480... |
| 17:41.57 | cr2 | i think the busmaster dma. |
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| 17:55.16 | lkcl | heya bhima |
| 18:06.52 | cr2 | hmm, there is no IR code in bootldr. |
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| 18:25.05 | lkcl | http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnokii-users/2006-01/txtcA9aJVLOwS.txt |
| 18:25.30 | lkcl | pawel added a "dialpad" hack option to xgnokii for us. |
| 18:28.53 | cr2 | the hx4700 people to weird things. they take an sd.image and overwrite the payload with the compiled bootldr, without even correcting the checksum. And it works ?!? |
| 18:29.17 | cr2 | lkcl: so you can use xgnokii on htc phones now ? |
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| 18:38.47 | lkcl | yep. well i _say_ "use". i mean "squash onto the screen". |
| 18:39.01 | lkcl | xgnokii is designed to be used on 800x600 or bigger screens. |
| 18:39.41 | lkcl | when i worked for cedar audio, we spent a LOT of time getting our apps to work with rescaling. |
| 18:40.13 | cr2 | i see the wallaby defines in the bootldr. |
| 18:40.23 | cr2 | 800x600 is not for a phone. |
| 18:40.26 | lkcl | as you shrank the window, things disappeared. with the graphs, the graduations and the numbers _on_ the graduations would go away. |
| 18:40.29 | lkcl | no, it's not. |
| 18:40.39 | lkcl | but it proves that it _can_ work. |
| 18:40.50 | lkcl | the library, which is the majority of the work, is there. |
| 18:41.21 | cr2 | we need a sane gui. |
| 18:41.26 | lkcl | unfortunately, these stupid "designer" things - gtk and qt3 - aren't targetted at anything like that. |
| 18:41.41 | lkcl | i'm going to go for over-simplified, cr2, in the qt/embedded side. |
| 18:42.06 | lkcl | a dialer-app with ..n nn 12 ... 15 buttons and a text-entry box. |
| 18:42.22 | cr2 | yes. |
| 18:42.55 | lkcl | i'm going to look at the opie contacts program to see if i can hack in a gnokii tel-no reader library into it. |
| 18:43.14 | lkcl | and likewise for the "email" program (if one exists. surely there'll be one). |
| 18:43.20 | lkcl | 1 mo... |
| 18:45.54 | lkcl | hmmm... |
| 18:47.24 | lkcl | http://sourceforge.net/projects/kdepimpi/ |
| 18:47.26 | lkcl | hmmmm.. |
| 18:48.36 | cr2 | there is also a kphone, but i have no idea what it does. |
| 18:49.08 | lkcl | yukk :) |
| 18:49.14 | lkcl | kphone is a SIP client. |
| 18:49.19 | lkcl | it's very unreliable. |
| 18:49.27 | lkcl | unfortunately. |
| 18:49.38 | ender_x | Iax client would be cooler. |
| 18:51.08 | ender_x | herm.. looks like pretty dismal odds. |
| 18:52.14 | ender_x | thx for packaging those root dirs lkcl.. |
| 19:02.07 | lkcl | see qtiax, ender_x |
| 19:02.16 | lkcl | whatwhatwhat? :) what did i do? :) |
| 19:03.08 | lkcl | qtiax is an experiment by some german guy, he located iaxclient, cut it about a bit, and then used it as a way to teach himself qt3 applications programming. |
| 19:03.17 | lkcl | that the program actually works is a useful bonus :) |
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| 19:22.19 | Funklord | I've used sip/asterisk telephony for quite a long time |
| 19:22.29 | lkcl | Luke_Jr on #oe is compiling up kde for openembedded.org :) |
| 19:22.46 | Funklord | kphone isn't perfect but it's the best I've used so far |
| 19:23.05 | Funklord | still.. problems with some audio chips |
| 19:23.32 | Funklord | hoping it will go away once they finish implementing jack support |
| 19:27.17 | Funklord | iax is a _much_ better protocol though |
| 19:28.14 | Funklord | however we only use it for call trunking atm |
| 19:49.59 | JuNuKN | ~seen llange |
| 19:50.10 | apt | llange <n=llange@lange.nom.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-blueangel, 44d 21h 1m 12s ago, saying: 'no probs. =)'. |
| 19:50.25 | JuNuKN | ~seen iclem |
| 19:50.31 | apt | iclem <n=clement@iclem.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-blueangel, 2d 49m 29s ago, saying: 'bbl'. |
| 19:50.52 | JuNuKN | ~himalaya |
| 19:50.54 | apt | i guess himalaya is at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HimalayaDevelopment |
| 19:51.07 | JuNuKN | ~correct! |
| 19:51.09 | apt | hmm... correct is .. no, im too stupid to give a normal answer |
| 19:55.32 | Funklord | every release developer got proper access to the gnulinux.biz ftp? msg me if you don't |
| 19:56.15 | Funklord | webspace should be the least of everyones worries =) |
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| 20:16.21 | lkcl | ta Funklord |
| 20:16.53 | lkcl | ~hello apt |
| 20:17.02 | lkcl | ~shag apt |
| 20:17.03 | apt | ACTION gives apt a good seeing to |
| 20:17.09 | lkcl | _excellent_ :) |
| 20:35.21 | Funklord | hey lkcl =) |
| 20:35.38 | Funklord | and apt too =) |
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| 20:47.04 | JuNuKN | Hello lkcl and cr2 |
| 20:48.47 | Funklord | hey JuNuKN |
| 20:57.01 | JuNuKN | Hello Funklord |
| 21:02.30 | Funklord | alright mate? |
| 21:07.46 | cr2 | hi JuNuKN |
| 21:09.05 | JuNuKN | hi cr2, how are you with the universal .... ? flashed with linux or WinCe running again ? |
| 21:09.45 | cr2 | wince is not running, but i have a big progress :) |
| 21:10.22 | JuNuKN | About the source, which you found from the bootloader ? Is there a link to it ? |
| 21:10.47 | cr2 | i can load a data blob into the RAM and jump to it. now i need to modify the bootldr. |
| 21:10.54 | cr2 | hmm. the source. |
| 21:12.01 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.08 | JuNuKN | Sounds good ... seems, that the new OS may be installed soon ;o) |
| 21:12.43 | cr2 | with some modifications it should work on ba and hima. pxa270->pxa263 |
| 21:13.27 | cr2 | imho the pxa flash should be writeable. |
| 21:13.27 | JuNuKN | ? It is from ipaq !? I read, that there are defines of wallaby init!? Maybe also things from Himalaya and blueangel .... maybe documented! Will help you to proper init the Sound on the devices!? |
| 21:14.43 | cr2 | you can install the bootloader and the kernel in the pxa flash. DoC will stay as it is. is is used only as an external memory by wince now ? |
| 21:15.45 | JuNuKN | At the moment the link is dead ... or overloaded ... I will try tomorrow. |
| 21:16.23 | cr2 | works for me. |
| 21:17.30 | JuNuKN | ... it doesn't for me ... so probably better save it in an other download location. Maybe in the wiki! |
| 21:20.28 | JuNuKN | The whole domain isn't reachable now! |
| 21:21.24 | cr2 | 209.197.250.74 |
| 21:22.37 | JuNuKN | not reachable from here !! |
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| 21:42.06 | JuNuKN | cr2 OK, got a download link from iclem.... I will watch them tomorrow I think.. |
| 21:48.22 | JuNuKN | But maybe it is not, what I have expected ... Thought it is the HTC Bootloader Sourcecode for the MDA Devices |
| 21:49.33 | JuNuKN | By the way can someone report news for the himalaya ? |
| 21:52.45 | cr2 | ?? it is linux bootloader, a free replacement for the HTC bootloader :) |
| 21:52.57 | JuNuKN | OK my batterie will be empty soon ... so maybe I will be switched off ,.,, will read in the logs later |
| 21:53.52 | JuNuKN | cr2 OK, I see but than we cannot learn from the code, how the hardware must be used and init, and what are the meanings of our gpios |
| 21:53.58 | cr2 | we need to create an update .nba file with the bootldr inside. i amd not convinced by the hx4700 approach. |
| 21:54.49 | cr2 | JuNuKN, it is not such a problem as you think. |
| 21:56.23 | JuNuKN | Hope so, ... still willing to use a linux on my himalaya |
| 21:57.26 | cr2 | your himalaya is much closer to be usable than my universal ;) |
| 21:58.28 | JuNuKN | Shure ... but your device is much more interesting for the cracks ... because of it's features ... and I think progress will raise soon |
| 21:59.31 | JuNuKN | At the moment it seems, that noone is still interested in the himalaya ;o( |
| 22:00.08 | cr2 | yeah. the only thing that is missing in the universal is the gps receiver. |
| 22:00.09 | cr2 | what do you mean ? |
| 22:00.20 | cr2 | suspend mode ? |
| 22:00.40 | JuNuKN | Yeahr that would be the best feature ... can left out umts instead |
| 22:01.28 | cr2 | you don't see umts anyway. there is no user/kernel difference with gprs. |
| 22:02.04 | cr2 | just a serial port. on universal it is serial over usb. |
| 22:02.28 | JuNuKN | But I will say, that noone is really interested in it since the data volumes are so expensive and so it is a better marketing feature to implement GPS |
| 22:04.14 | cr2 | i don't use even the 50 free sms that i have. don't tell me about umts. for calling i use the a780 with the prepaid card :) |
| 22:04.25 | JuNuKN | OK, Laptops says, that it will shutdown automatically in view minutes ... and I have to fetch some sleep ... where long nights this week |
| 22:04.52 | cr2 | there are the pads for the gps chip in universal. |
| 22:05.16 | cr2 | a780 has gps and a nice linux qt program named copilot. |
| 22:05.50 | JuNuKN | ??? Really ? very interresting!!!! I have to follow this aspect and buy a used one later ;o) |
| 22:06.25 | bhima | Are the GPS pads anything but power and serial? |
| 22:06.48 | cr2 | and the maps of all europe. read http://openezx.org |
| 22:07.13 | cr2 | bhima: look at the PCB picture at xda-dev |
| 22:07.38 | cr2 | it is a custom chip |
| 22:08.04 | cr2 | big brother gives you the "assisted" gps :) |
| 22:08.31 | bhima | ahh, so it's not real GPS then. |
| 22:08.49 | cr2 | the gps in a780 is also connected to the gsm cpu, not the pxa270! |
| 22:09.04 | cr2 | but it will work without the agps too. |
| 22:09.19 | immolo | rob_w, you around? |
| 22:09.40 | bhima | heh. Most of the AGPS devices do seem to require the carrier's help to extract info. |
| 22:10.37 | bhima | I wonder if they actually extended the GSM spec with that feature. |
| 22:10.48 | cr2 | it is an advantage to get the ephemeris data from the carrier/internet. but you can still use the 50bps stream |
| 22:11.56 | cr2 | a780 that is also pxa270 and serial over usb comm channel has some weird multiplexing channel for the gps data. |
| 22:14.59 | rob_w | immolo, |
| 22:15.05 | immolo | rob_w, |
| 22:15.19 | rob_w | always listening |
| 22:15.37 | immolo | are you using linux full time yet on the ba with little or no issues? |
| 22:16.24 | rob_w | not in that sense , i am testing and scripting too much to have it stable yet . .. |
| 22:17.33 | rob_w | i am concentrating on bluetooth these days |
| 22:18.00 | immolo | well if I run windows on it for another I may just bin it |
| 22:18.40 | immolo | the damn thing crashed on a phone call and it just played the ringtone over and over until I reset it |
| 22:18.54 | rob_w | on windows |
| 22:19.01 | immolo | yeah |
| 22:19.13 | rob_w | hehe , cruel |
| 22:19.22 | cr2 | rob_w: can you switch to bt audio ? |
| 22:19.51 | cr2 | immolo: my wince is hanging, and nothing can help it. even the reflash :) |
| 22:19.56 | immolo | 2003SE sucks arse 2003 was much stable |
| 22:20.24 | immolo | *stabler |
| 22:20.28 | rob_w | not yet ... i am fighting that also currently .. we have the bt headset stuff now in oe , but i need to save and clean my current tree , as i worked very different projects with it |
| 22:20.47 | rob_w | so i need to back that up and update oe .. then it might just work ;-) |
| 22:21.23 | cr2 | you will probably need to pull some asic3 gpios too. |
| 22:21.52 | rob_w | cr2 you mean for proper audio bt ? |
| 22:22.01 | cr2 | yes. |
| 22:22.49 | rob_w | there is some magic in hwdep or so, but then i think the rest is pure alsa bt stuff .. hopefully |
| 22:23.27 | cr2 | can you use the earphone ? |
| 22:23.49 | rob_w | not yet , but i hope soon |
| 22:24.23 | cr2 | i think it includes sending some at@talk stuff. |
| 22:26.31 | cr2 | if RIL supports it we can write a wince haret helper. i have do it for vibra on the universal, just to switch it on and off. debugging a call created a whole mess of asic3 changes. but with the helper it was the only asic3 bit change. |
| 22:35.18 | rob_w | cr2 u think so ? |
| 22:37.41 | cr2 | yes, i think it is a good idea to write down a list on wince devices, and open/close/powerup/powerdown/ioctl tables for them. calling them will selectively reveal the device data. |
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