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| 00:07.48 | pof | hi brainstorm |
| 00:07.59 | brainstorm | hi pof |
| 00:08.47 | pof | cr2: do you know if lkcl managed to get the opie image functional? |
| 00:09.56 | pof | i saw on the logs there's still no calibration program...so is it worth trying it? |
| 00:28.10 | brainstorm | hi ppl, is there any wince tool to dump all the contents of memory (ram) for later analisys ? |
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| 01:13.26 | lkcl | yeh, it's worth trying: you can always hack in your own calibration values, pof. |
| 01:13.41 | lkcl | and the answer to your question, if you're checking the logs, brainstorm, is haret.exe :) |
| 01:33.16 | pof | thanks lkcl, I'll try it |
| 01:34.20 | pof | if anyone is interested on channel logs in rss format... http://pof.eslack.org/ba-rss/ |
| 02:03.19 | lkcl | okay, i just create a new opie-image (will upload in a mo) |
| 02:03.57 | lkcl | what the _hell_ is this stuff doing copying over ts.conf-h3600 for??? |
| 02:04.29 | lkcl | gimme another 10mins pof |
| 02:04.51 | lkcl | i just gotta correct something in tslib.sh - something going a bit wrong, the machine type isn't being detected... |
| 02:08.08 | pof | no problem |
| 02:08.15 | pof | let me know when you upload it |
| 02:10.06 | lkcl | what did i do... |
| 02:10.20 | lkcl | tslib-blueangel.conf... |
| 02:10.34 | lkcl | oh - the ip address is 192.168.0.202 (on usb0) |
| 02:10.56 | lkcl | tell me you got yourself a usb cradle or usb thing... |
| 02:12.04 | lkcl | wtf is tslib copying the h3600 files over for??? |
| 02:14.44 | pof | i've the pda cradle |
| 02:14.51 | lkcl | great. |
| 02:15.01 | lkcl | you any good at shellscripts? |
| 02:15.14 | pof | yes |
| 02:15.27 | lkcl | okay - mind looking at some files? |
| 02:15.35 | pof | no, let me see |
| 02:16.07 | lkcl | okay.... |
| 02:16.21 | lkcl | they'll be at http://hands.com/~lkcl/blueangel - tslib ones. |
| 02:16.49 | lkcl | and run.do_install.22529 |
| 02:17.25 | lkcl | ok - they're there - tslib_cvs.bb |
| 02:17.49 | lkcl | the question is: why the _hell_ does ts.conf-h3600 get installed instead of ts.conf-blueangel? |
| 02:18.02 | lkcl | i mean it clearly says case blueangel in |
| 02:18.11 | lkcl | h3600|h3900 | blueangel) |
| 02:18.25 | lkcl | then jumps _straight_ to ... err.... |
| 02:18.35 | lkcl | *embarrassed* - how did _that_ happen :) |
| 02:19.11 | lkcl | yes - it says blueangel. ha ha, oops :) |
| 02:19.24 | pof | :) |
| 02:19.34 | lkcl | *whistle* |
| 02:21.09 | lkcl | that's better - it's copied over ts.conf-blueangel now. |
| 02:21.56 | pof | this is like a rpm spec file or gentoo ebuild for building it, right? |
| 02:22.26 | lkcl | yeh - that sort of thing. it's pretty awful: it has no dependency checking, and no support for build-dependencies. |
| 02:22.35 | lkcl | they'd be better off creating massive makefiles. |
| 02:23.20 | lkcl | however, it's kinda impressive: written in python, it can go "oo, you want cvs instead of date X.Y.Z?" no problem. |
| 02:23.29 | lkcl | okay. it's built. let me just copy... |
| 02:24.11 | pof | is there any documentation on how to build the whole linux like in gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/linux/ from scratch? |
| 02:24.17 | lkcl | ah ha - yes :) |
| 02:24.24 | lkcl | are you ready? |
| 02:24.37 | pof | if there are some docs, i'll try :D |
| 02:24.45 | lkcl | openembedded.org |
| 02:24.53 | lkcl | look for "getting started" page on wiki. |
| 02:25.08 | pof | ok |
| 02:25.59 | lkcl | look at http://hands.com/~lkcl/ for the monotone.openembedded.get.sh script |
| 02:26.36 | lkcl | look at http://hands.com/~lkcl/blueangel for local.conf (in a minute) and for latest.org.openembedded.bitbake.rubbish.patch |
| 02:27.32 | lkcl | _do_ follow the instructions on downloading the 36mb oe.bb file from the daily cache and then run that script (the get.sh one) |
| 02:28.13 | lkcl | it will save you _days_ of download time - monotone updates are _pathetically_ slow: sqlite simply wasn't designed to handle 36mbyte database archives. |
| 02:28.43 | pof | it's a lot of info... i think it will take some days until I understand it at all |
| 02:29.01 | pof | what the hell is monotone? |
| 02:29.02 | lkcl | it took me... 24 hours, with help, to get a first build. |
| 02:29.07 | lkcl | ahhhh, deep joy. |
| 02:29.24 | lkcl | it's a development tool / revision-control tool. |
| 02:29.36 | pof | like cvs or svn ? |
| 02:29.46 | lkcl | it keeps a COMPLETE self-contained copy of ALL the files, in ONE massive sqlite database. |
| 02:30.07 | lkcl | yeh, only "local" not remote, with the ability to "sync" to a remote database, though. |
| 02:30.19 | pof | i see... |
| 02:30.48 | lkcl | look in the local.conf file i uploaded - check that the subdirectories all match where you want stuff to go. |
| 02:30.57 | lkcl | i.e. not in /home/lkcl/sources (!) |
| 02:31.27 | pof | wait...i'm copy-pasting all the info :P |
| 02:31.28 | lkcl | they're there.... now |
| 02:31.31 | lkcl | ack :) |
| 02:31.45 | lkcl | ok am just about to trash my upload speed... |
| 02:32.28 | lkcl | on its way... |
| 02:32.34 | lkcl | just updating. it should take about 10 mins. |
| 02:33.49 | lkcl | if you try that opie image, you will... oh, darn.... *thinks*.... make sure you use the same kernel and zImage you're using for the gpe-image. yeh. you'll be okay. |
| 02:35.48 | pof | ok, more-or-less I understand how the build process works |
| 02:36.01 | lkcl | pof, can you possibly point Luke_jr in the right direction, he's on #oe and trying to do a complete pull |
| 02:36.02 | pof | is quite similar to croscompiling linksys firmwares |
| 02:36.29 | pof | for wrt54g routers with linux embedded (openwrt, ddwrt...) |
| 02:36.35 | lkcl | yes. |
| 02:36.44 | lkcl | in fact it's the same stuff. |
| 02:36.52 | pof | and the package manager here is bitbake |
| 02:37.03 | lkcl | if you want openwrt, you specify in the local.conf a different thingy - machine type |
| 02:37.12 | lkcl | and it will build openwrt. |
| 02:37.26 | lkcl | openzaurus is a machine type as well. |
| 02:38.04 | lkcl | once you have stuff checked out, look in org.openembedded.dev/conf it makes fascinating reading the different systems that are supported. |
| 02:39.02 | lkcl | 3 mins to upload / rsync completion, btw... |
| 02:39.16 | lkcl | now i must go sleep. |
| 02:39.19 | lkcl | burble. |
| 02:39.24 | pof | hehe |
| 02:39.27 | pof | ok |
| 02:39.29 | lkcl | :) |
| 02:39.44 | lkcl | luck, dude. let me know how you get on. |
| 02:39.45 | pof | i'll be reading and plying a little bit more with your image |
| 02:39.58 | pof | I will! and thanks for your valuable help :D |
| 02:40.16 | lkcl | yehh, i didn't have much luck: i found that calibrate was missing, so just added it: you may have to ssh in and run it manually. |
| 02:40.17 | pof | it saves me lots of googling |
| 02:40.28 | lkcl | at least i _might_ have fixed the touchscreen thing. |
| 02:40.49 | lkcl | look in /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh for the environment vars to set QWS_TOUCH_DEVICE or something. |
| 02:40.57 | pof | ok, thanks :D |
| 02:41.03 | lkcl | must be set to TPanel:/dev/input/sdahslhadfahf |
| 02:41.36 | lkcl | check that events are running by hexdump /dev/input/event0 (kill opie windowmanager first). |
| 02:41.51 | lkcl | aw, sod it: look on the #oe irc logs if you can find them :) |
| 02:42.04 | lkcl | i talked it over with koen 6 hours ago. |
| 02:42.13 | lkcl | what else... |
| 02:42.30 | lkcl | okay, the image is there, now. |
| 02:43.16 | lkcl | must help rob out with the blueangel_suspend resume bug... |
| 02:43.43 | pof | ok |
| 02:44.40 | lkcl | night dude. |
| 02:44.46 | pof | good night! |
| 02:44.48 | pof | and thanks! |
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| 08:58.33 | apt | botlog is, like, a log of all conversations that can be found at http://ibot.rikers.org/ |
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| 12:18.06 | lkcl | hm, i think i will try gnokii. |
| 12:18.22 | lkcl | it looks cool, it has an smsd. |
| 12:18.36 | lkcl | it appears to support bluetooth in version 0.6.8. |
| 12:19.03 | lkcl | it supports phone calls |
| 12:29.16 | rob_w | nice |
| 13:13.50 | cr2 | lkcl, gsmlib is here: http://www.pxh.de/fs/gsmlib/snapshots/index.html |
| 15:59.56 | rob_w | libgsm is in oe already |
| 16:09.05 | cr2 | ok. |
| 16:09.30 | cr2 | but is it used by some program ? |
| 16:13.59 | rob_w | it names GSM 06.10 13 kbit/s RPE/LTP speech compression |
| 16:24.37 | cr2 | probably, we need to write a htc-specific module for libgsm |
| 16:24.53 | cr2 | i'm still working on debricking my universal. |
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| 20:10.00 | cr2 | hi JuNuKN |
| 20:10.39 | JuNuKN | hi |
| 20:11.47 | cr2 | do you still have the htc hardware to play with :) |
| 20:14.41 | JuNuKN | cr2 ... did you mean me ? Yes I still have ... |
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| 20:51.49 | cr2 | JuNuKN, have you compiled the hima kernel ? |
| 20:54.56 | JuNuKN | I tried and the Computer immidiately restarted and so I stopped it today and went to a birghtdayparty ... and now I am in the bed with laptop on the knees |
| 20:57.01 | JuNuKN | Why are you asking? Should I do it now? |
| 21:05.17 | JuNuKN | I think the machine restarts automatically, when it tries to start the screensaver or doing other ACPI stuff .... because it happens, whenever I let the machine run for a while without touching the keys or mouse, -like I did today, as I compiled ... or better arranged the envirenment ,,, via telnet from an other room. |
| 21:07.08 | cr2 | why dont you boot with acpi=off ? |
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| 21:09.04 | JuNuKN | How ? It's the first distribution I am running with grub. In lilo I found it last time in lilo.conf ... which I know from my vdr ... but not with grub. The idea came today to me, with the newley restart |
| 21:09.52 | JuNuKN | So it is fresh, and I have to search, where to disable and whether it was really the reason |
| 21:10.05 | cr2 | look at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:12.40 | JuNuKN | OK, do you have time for me ... than I will do both now ! Change the grub-settings and recompile the himalaya stuff, with cvs update to install a GPE-version on a sd card. Most things I am able to do bymyself, but I still have enought questions with the GPE-SD-Card-stuff. Otherwise I will do it tomorrow. |
| 21:13.44 | cr2 | yes. i'm reading a lot of things now trying to understand how i can boot the universal, so there are some delays. |
| 21:15.25 | JuNuKN | OK, I will go up in a few seconds ... By the way, what is now the status with universal and himalaya ? |
| 21:16.05 | cr2 | universal needs a framebuffer driver. |
| 21:16.23 | cr2 | himalaya needs a working microphone. |
| 21:16.43 | cr2 | these are the most urgent things. |
| 21:17.58 | JuNuKN | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.39 | JuNuKN | So universal seriall output is cracked now ? |
| 21:19.16 | cr2 | universal: i can't test anything, and lkcl is away. haret sound was for blueangel. |
| 21:19.59 | cr2 | i used IR on universal. you can also look for IR on himalaya. should be easy to turn on the IR and watch the gpio. |
| 21:20.18 | cr2 | there is no serial on universal. |
| 21:21.54 | JuNuKN | Yes I can do ... but I don't understand the outputs, how they have to be mapped for a seriell line like IR ... So I think I didn't see which gpio changes are the IR toggels ... |
| 21:22.40 | cr2 | i think IR uses the same serial port as your cable. it is so on bluenagel. |
| 21:23.06 | JuNuKN | I didn't have the big overview, how the components withing the device work with each other ... therefore I can log the things and try to understand everything, somene explaines to me |
| 21:24.51 | cr2 | there are many pins (gpios) that can be used for many purposes. some of them are reserved for known functions (alternative settings). it is described in the Intel CPU manuals. |
| 21:25.12 | JuNuKN | So yu expect a Port Switch from cable to IR, while I switching on the IR and a GPIO change on the Off... switch!? But didn't I read correct in the wiki, that hima has two seperated ports for IR and seriall cable ? |
| 21:26.42 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:33.02 | JuNuKN | OK now my machine is up and the cvs stuff is doing a update |
| 21:33.52 | JuNuKN | grub/menu.lst is open, but there is no acpi=on only a apm=power-off , whic I never read before ... |
| 21:34.42 | cr2 | add acpi=off to the same string. |
| 21:35.44 | JuNuKN | OK I did ... now ... I will reboot after the cvs update ... but whats the apm=power-off maybe this causes the problem !? |
| 21:36.20 | cr2 | remove apm=power-off |
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| 21:44.51 | cr2 | hi lkcl |
| 21:44.57 | lkcl | heya cr2. |
| 21:45.17 | lkcl | i had a disconnect earlier and it took me ... how long has it been? ... several hours to notice |
| 21:45.36 | lkcl | i got gnokii compiled and running. |
| 21:45.36 | cr2 | what do you think about the universal framebuffer ? |
| 21:45.42 | cr2 | running ? |
| 21:45.43 | lkcl | i patched it to do RIL |
| 21:45.57 | cr2 | _wow_ |
| 21:46.04 | lkcl | it works. contacts, sms, outgoing phone calls |
| 21:46.13 | lkcl | doesn't do incoming phone calls, that i can discover. |
| 21:46.28 | cr2 | is it included in oe? |
| 21:46.30 | lkcl | but there is some code to do a DTMF dialog - i didn't look any further. |
| 21:46.33 | lkcl | yes. |
| 21:46.42 | lkcl | except it was an older version, so i did 0.6.10 |
| 21:47.29 | cr2 | i always thought gnokii is talking to the nokia phone and uses only nokia/ericsson commands. |
| 21:47.37 | lkcl | it needs work. gomunicator is more functional for phone calls. gnokii is more functional for sms and contacts. |
| 21:47.48 | lkcl | well it _started_ as a nokia phone contact/sms reader |
| 21:47.59 | cr2 | ok. then there are htc specific things. |
| 21:48.04 | lkcl | and it's kinda evolved a bit since then. |
| 21:48.07 | lkcl | not really. |
| 21:48.20 | cr2 | i put them into htc_gsm wiki page. |
| 21:48.21 | lkcl | remember: all an HTC phone is is a PDA with a GSM phone attached to it. |
| 21:48.32 | lkcl | oh - _right_ |
| 21:48.35 | lkcl | ah ha :) |
| 21:49.02 | lkcl | you're saying: we could do with an htc phone type |
| 21:49.07 | lkcl | in gnokii |
| 21:49.10 | cr2 | yes. |
| 21:49.28 | lkcl | the code is _much_ better than gomunicator, as it supports all sorts of other devices: the abstraction is much better. |
| 21:49.29 | cr2 | not htc. universal differs from others. |
| 21:49.47 | lkcl | i found the right place to put the RIL stuff in and it was really simple to do. |
| 21:49.59 | cr2 | it has umts and undocumented at+gtk* commands. |
| 21:50.08 | lkcl | oooo *wobble* |
| 21:50.23 | cr2 | what do you mean RIL ? RIL itself is patented ;) |
| 21:50.44 | lkcl | naah - there's plenty of prior art for the concept they use. xxxx-em. |
| 21:50.57 | cr2 | at least google knows nothing about at+gtk* |
| 21:51.33 | lkcl | escape sequences have been around for decades. |
| 21:51.43 | cr2 | xxxx contact a layer :) there is even a EU patent. |
| 21:52.21 | lkcl | there can't be: software patents don't exist in the EU. |
| 21:52.54 | cr2 | you mean multiplexing, not RIL. look at the RIL page on xda-dev. |
| 21:52.55 | lkcl | annyway... where were we? |
| 21:53.02 | lkcl | oh, yes. multiplexing. |
| 21:53.27 | cr2 | universal framebuffer. we _need_ a screenshot. marketing first! |
| 21:54.00 | lkcl | yeh :) |
| 21:54.25 | cr2 | :) |
| 21:54.47 | lkcl | let me see if i can get the damn thing to boot again, later on. i just gotta empty the dishwasher, first. |
| 21:55.05 | lkcl | and i'm _not_ staying on it for more than 90mins. |
| 21:55.11 | cr2 | i have traced more asic3 gpios yesterday. still didn't found flashlight. |
| 21:55.17 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:55.22 | cr2 | agreed. |
| 21:55.56 | lkcl | that linuxdevices article has seriously done the rounds. search for "HTC hacking" on google |
| 21:56.05 | lkcl | brb. dishwasher :) |
| 22:04.58 | cr2 | i suggest a copy of pxafb.c to htcuniversalpxafb.c and to replace the |
| 22:06.50 | cr2 | fbi->map_cpu = dma_alloc_writecombine(...) with ioremap() |
| 22:07.27 | cr2 | i hope there are no silly dma restrictions on this machine. |
| 22:08.40 | lkcl | *sigh*. |
| 22:08.46 | JuNuKN | cr2 ... ok, the kernel is now compiled ... should I insert the stuff now into a initrd ? |
| 22:09.17 | cr2 | JuNuKN: the modules ? yes. |
| 22:09.31 | lkcl | you can't do ioremap, remember. i _did_ get it to work, couple weeks back, after your suggestion of just putting two areas into the initialisation code. |
| 22:09.34 | JuNuKN | OK ... I will report afterwards ... |
| 22:10.01 | lkcl | one at 0xf500 0000 to 0xa300 0000 (or whatever it is) and the other at 0xf510 0000 to 0x5c00 0000 |
| 22:10.05 | lkcl | and it _worked_ i swear. |
| 22:10.15 | lkcl | something's gone tits-up since then. |
| 22:10.18 | cr2 | _right_. just assign the virt. addr. |
| 22:11.07 | cr2 | my pxafb settings in thcuniversal? |
| 22:13.31 | cr2 | btw. try "irdadump -p -x" |
| 22:18.18 | lkcl | yep, just assign the virtual address. |
| 22:19.24 | lkcl | oh - wanna know something amusing? |
| 22:19.35 | cr2 | yes. |
| 22:19.37 | lkcl | gnokii package has a program "smsd". |
| 22:19.44 | cr2 | yes. |
| 22:19.46 | lkcl | it outputs into text format |
| 22:19.51 | lkcl | and mysql and postgresql. |
| 22:19.53 | lkcl | ... |
| 22:20.05 | cr2 | nice. |
| 22:20.06 | lkcl | can you _get_ a bitbake build file for mysql-server and postgresql-server? |
| 22:20.23 | lkcl | i want postgresql running on my htc. waaah! |
| 22:20.23 | cr2 | why not sqlite ? |
| 22:20.34 | lkcl | naaah, i want a full sql server :) |
| 22:20.53 | cr2 | and then gps and postgis. |
| 22:20.54 | lkcl | not sqlite because it's not really designed for multi-application access. |
| 22:21.04 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:21.42 | lkcl | it's designed for single (multi-threaded) internal application access, and it just _happens_ to have a SQL syntax to access the data. |
| 22:22.02 | cr2 | well. the machine has 520Mhz cpu and 64MB ram. postgres was useful on much smaller machines. |
| 22:22.37 | cr2 | even 128MB on ba and hima. |
| 22:23.33 | lkcl | yehh i mean it's not unthinkable. the only thing: it's _not_ going to be okay to run a sql server on an ext2 or ext3 partition - it's _absolutely_ going to have to be jffs |
| 22:23.59 | lkcl | we're running enough risk putting the gpe and opie images onto ext2 as it is. |
| 22:24.43 | cr2 | jffs2? with compression? isn't it too slow ? |
| 22:25.40 | lkcl | doesn't matter - ext2 and fat _will_ destroy the flash cards very very quickly. |
| 22:26.10 | lkcl | remember: even modifying a single byte requires a block read followed by a complete block write. |
| 22:26.25 | cr2 | doesn't the controller take care of it ? |
| 22:26.28 | lkcl | there are good reasons why jffs2 is slow, and it saves your cards. |
| 22:26.32 | lkcl | no - not in the slightest. |
| 22:26.40 | cr2 | hmm. |
| 22:27.03 | lkcl | the controller provides you with "direct" access to the flash memory. |
| 22:27.22 | cr2 | we can do what m-sys g3 is doing. |
| 22:27.56 | lkcl | the compression? i didn't realise jffs had compression. it's a good _idea_ but... yerrrs... i see... it would reduce the number of blocks being written to, for large files... |
| 22:28.30 | lkcl | let me see if i can sort out this htc fb. |
| 22:28.39 | lkcl | i got 45 mins left :) |
| 22:28.53 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:30.13 | cr2 | hmm. why is pixclock == 0 in htcuniversal_lcd.c ? doesn't look good. |
| 22:31.28 | lkcl | no idea. not going to worry about it right now. |
| 22:32.08 | cr2 | you have set_pxa_fb_info with these settings, and then your lcd_device_register. |
| 22:34.32 | lkcl | hmmm... |
| 22:35.53 | JuNuKN | cr2 ... I now have compiled himalaya stuff, modules put into the 2.6.12 initrd from llange and fdiked the sd card ... but mkfs.xxx results always in a "/dev/sdc1 contains a mounted file system .... |
| 22:36.02 | lkcl | bollocks. i set serial_console = y. i think that's why i couldn't get a boot. |
| 22:36.13 | lkcl | then do umount /dev/sdc1, JunuKn! |
| 22:36.36 | cr2 | sooo simple. |
| 22:36.38 | lkcl | mkfs checks for you so that you can't do damage to a filesystem that's already in use :) |
| 22:36.51 | lkcl | type "df" |
| 22:37.02 | lkcl | and it will show you what you have mounted - and where. |
| 22:38.39 | JuNuKN | Ahh ok ... thanks ... automounter has mounted the sd card and now with two partitions :o) |
| 22:39.00 | lkcl | automounter? are you _mad_ ? :) |
| 22:39.33 | cr2 | hotplug. |
| 22:40.51 | *** join/#htc-blueangel JuNu_KN (n=JuNuKN@Mf0ee.m.pppool.de) |
| 22:41.09 | JuNu_KN | Here again ... |
| 22:41.31 | lkcl | cr2 - you got a thingy. updated version of gnuharet.exe? |
| 22:42.35 | cr2 | no. use haret from ba. |
| 22:42.44 | lkcl | ack. |
| 22:42.59 | JuNu_KN | Any tips ... maybe again, because I was disconnected |
| 22:43.28 | lkcl | first reset... |
| 22:44.29 | cr2 | JuNuKN: use df and umount the partitions. kill kde if necessary. |
| 22:45.49 | JuNu_KN | ok unmount has worked ... but both partitions are ID 83, equal taht i formated it mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1 |
| 22:46.14 | cr2 | change the id. |
| 22:46.32 | cr2 | it has nothing to do with mkfs. |
| 22:46.35 | lkcl | the first partition needs to be type 6 |
| 22:46.43 | lkcl | use fdisk to change its type. |
| 22:46.54 | lkcl | Command (m for help): p |
| 22:46.54 | lkcl | Disk /dev/sdc: 255 MB, 255852544 bytes |
| 22:46.54 | lkcl | 1 heads, 61 sectors/track, 8192 cylinders |
| 22:46.54 | lkcl | Units = cylinders of 61 * 512 = 31232 bytes |
| 22:46.54 | lkcl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.54 | lkcl | /dev/sdc1 2 961 29280 6 FAT16 |
| 22:47.05 | cr2 | fat16 is ok. |
| 22:47.11 | lkcl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.21 | lkcl | is what it should _roughly_ look like. |
| 22:47.45 | cr2 | the command is "t" |
| 22:49.02 | JuNu_KN | Thanks ..., great ... now it worked ... but for what purposes than is mkfs.vfat ? |
| 22:49.39 | cr2 | for formatting and not partitioning. |
| 22:50.31 | JuNu_KN | ... OK, I thought so ... but it was very fast for vfat !? ext3 took very much longer!? any problems with that or expected!? |
| 22:51.05 | *** join/#htc-blueangel dullard (n=jim@adsl-static-1-30.uklinux.net) |
| 22:51.19 | cr2 | expected. |
| 22:51.56 | cr2 | ext3 partition is bigger and the filesystem is more intelligent. |
| 22:53.36 | JuNu_KN | OK ... now I copy my ne zimage and initrd into sdc1 !? |
| 22:53.55 | cr2 | and haret and startup.txt |
| 22:55.27 | lkcl | then umount the card - check with "df" that _both_ partitions are unmounted |
| 22:55.50 | lkcl | if you're lucky, the FAT partition will be recognised by wince. |
| 22:56.40 | cr2 | i always use mkdosfs and never had any problems. |
| 22:57.54 | lkcl | yehh, i had some issues: i had to zero out the partition and let wince create it. |
| 22:58.04 | lkcl | then and only then would it recognise the card. |
| 22:58.33 | cr2 | hmm. boot block ? |
| 23:02.16 | JuNu_KN | Hmmmm linux let me not copy files into sdc1 (fat16) ... Yes I have mounted it mount /dev/sdc1 /home/jn/mmc1 |
| 23:02.45 | cr2 | as root ? |
| 23:02.52 | cr2 | cat /proc/mounts |
| 23:02.56 | JuNu_KN | Yes, I mounted it as root |
| 23:04.29 | JuNu_KN | ... reports vfat rw, nodiratime ... |
| 23:05.31 | cr2 | lkcl: what pixclock do we have ? many archs have it =0, and i don't understand how it works then... i remember from sa1100 times that pixclock=0 setting is evil!!! |
| 23:05.56 | JuNu_KN | OK, as root i was able to copy the files ... |
| 23:06.20 | lkcl | que? no idea. absolutely no idea. |
| 23:06.45 | cr2 | ok. i will look into it. |
| 23:08.06 | JuNu_KN | Now we came to the part with the GPE image !? |
| 23:09.05 | cr2 | untar it to the mounted /dev/sdc2 |
| 23:10.13 | JuNu_KN | OK, which GPE image ? ... you know I took the initrd from llange |
| 23:14.28 | JuNu_KN | Can you give me the link to a compatibel GPE image ? Must I update something within the image ? |
| 23:16.14 | cr2 | i don't know. wait for lkcl |
| 23:16.53 | lkcl | queque? |
| 23:16.54 | JuNu_KN | Ahh ok ... because you explained me last time, that I cannot use the one from BA ... |
| 23:16.55 | lkcl | whatwhatwhat? |
| 23:16.59 | lkcl | oh. yes. |
| 23:17.49 | lkcl | well you can - you just have to make sure that the modules you have compiled are in the initrd (enough to get your partition recognised on the SD card) and then the rest need to go in the gpe-image in /lib/modules/xxxxxxxx |
| 23:17.54 | lkcl | so. |
| 23:18.26 | cr2 | can't we just switch(${MACHINE}) on gpe/opie ? |
| 23:18.52 | lkcl | _whatever_ you choose - and if you want to get the himalaya recognising the SD card it _has_ to be the cvs from after 01jan - you have to keep the things matched. modules and stuff. |
| 23:19.19 | lkcl | doesn't help you afaik becauesese i don't believe that bitbake builds an initrd for you - or does it? |
| 23:19.33 | lkcl | i've never checked that. |
| 23:19.50 | lkcl | so. |
| 23:19.52 | cr2 | he has just compiled the kernel and copied the modules to initrd, |
| 23:20.01 | lkcl | the simplest way for JuNu_KN yep |
| 23:20.15 | lkcl | the simplest way is to get any gpe image |
| 23:20.36 | lkcl | and then _also_ copy the same modules that you copied to the initrd _also_ copy them to the unpacked gpe image |
| 23:20.42 | lkcl | the sdc2 ext2 partition. |
| 23:20.59 | lkcl | but they _must_ be under the correct subdirectory. |
| 23:21.24 | lkcl | JuNu_KN: what do you have as the "EXTRAVERSION" in your linux-2.6-xda Makefile? |
| 23:21.35 | lkcl | at the top of the Makefile? |
| 23:22.18 | lkcl | if it says -hh2-xda0-ba0 then you must copy the modules into the ext2 partition at /lib/modules/2.6.12-hh2-xda0-ba0 |
| 23:22.22 | JuNu_KN | -hh2-xda0-ba0 |
| 23:23.11 | lkcl | okay, then you must overwrite the existing blueangel modules which are likely to be on that partition (rm -fr /mnt/sdcard/partition2/lib/modules/2.6.12-hh2/xda0-ba0/*) |
| 23:23.33 | lkcl | and cp -aux whereveryouinstalledthem to the same subdirectory. |
| 23:23.35 | JuNu_KN | Ahh ok .. so I must do it by hand or with the part from initrd "-module copy" ... but which GPE base image to untar and expand!? |
| 23:23.43 | lkcl | doesn't matter. |
| 23:24.06 | lkcl | doesn't matter which gpe base image - any one will do, for now. |
| 23:24.22 | lkcl | and it doesn't matter _how_ you copy the modules as long as you do it. |
| 23:24.42 | JuNu_KN | So which one is the newest? Maybe with actual gomunicator Maybe the link to your download side |
| 23:24.56 | lkcl | what's that MODULES_INSTALL_DIR env variable called, which overrides the location that make modules_install puts stuff? |
| 23:25.07 | lkcl | http://hands.com/~lkcl/blueangel |
| 23:25.10 | lkcl | no. |
| 23:25.11 | lkcl | sorry. |
| 23:25.19 | lkcl | http://hands.com/~lkcl/himalaya |
| 23:26.14 | JuNu_KN | there is no GPE image located in !? |
| 23:27.15 | lkcl | okay, take the one from blueangel directory. |
| 23:27.21 | lkcl | it really doesn't matter. |
| 23:27.41 | lkcl | pick _one_ to get you started. |
| 23:27.58 | lkcl | you can always then scp stuff over, or add more packages onto the sd card, by hand. |
| 23:28.20 | JuNu_KN | http://hands.com/~lkcl/blueangel/gpe-image.rootfs.tar.bz2 |
| 23:28.20 | JuNu_KN | gpe-image.rootfs.tar.bz2 ? |
| 23:29.43 | lkcl | that'll do. |
| 23:31.40 | JuNu_KN | untar, unzip and untar again !? |
| 23:32.16 | cr2 | where is your /dev/sdc2 mounted ? |
| 23:33.07 | JuNu_KN | Path /home/jn/mmc2 |
| 23:33.28 | lkcl | no, you only need to mount /dev/sdc2 then cd /home/jn/mmc2 and then tar -xvjf ~/gpe-image.rootfs.tar.bz2 |
| 23:33.41 | lkcl | remember to rm -fr /home/jn/mmc2 first, though |
| 23:33.50 | lkcl | and also remember to mkdir /home/jn/mmc2/oldroot. |
| 23:33.51 | cr2 | tar xfvjp gpe-image.rootfs.tar.bz2 -C /home/jn/mmc2 |
| 23:34.03 | lkcl | yep, that'll do nicely, too :) |
| 23:35.10 | cr2 | lkcl: did you try "irdadump -x -p" ? |
| 23:35.22 | lkcl | not yet... |
| 23:35.39 | JuNu_KN | rm -fr reports error ... in german Gerät oder die Resource ist nicht beleg |
| 23:35.52 | JuNu_KN | df |
| 23:36.02 | cr2 | if you will see IR messages, then you can do printk :) |
| 23:36.26 | cr2 | JuNuKN: rm -rf _what ? |
| 23:37.26 | JuNu_KN | rm -fr /home/jn/mmc2 reports this error |
| 23:37.37 | lkcl | no, JuNu_KN |
| 23:37.50 | lkcl | rm -fr /home/jn/mmc2/* |
| 23:37.51 | lkcl | sorry. |
| 23:38.08 | lkcl | check that it's empty. |
| 23:38.27 | cr2 | LANG=C rm -rf |
| 23:38.33 | lkcl | if it's now empty, then you can do the tar |
| 23:39.37 | JuNu_KN | Now there is the ordered oldroot directory ! correect ... now I will untar !? |
| 23:40.19 | lkcl | ok. |
| 23:40.39 | lkcl | yep. that did the trick, cr2: irdadump -p -x. |
| 23:40.43 | lkcl | _right_. |
| 23:40.49 | lkcl | bastard. |
| 23:40.52 | lkcl | you are MINE |
| 23:40.54 | cr2 | :) |
| 23:40.55 | lkcl | muhahaah |
| 23:41.15 | cr2 | nothing in the manpage, btw. |
| 23:42.33 | cr2 | do you need to pipe it through sed to see ascii ? |
| 23:42.43 | lkcl | naah. |
| 23:43.09 | cr2 | do you get the bootlog ?!? |
| 23:43.15 | lkcl | oh - hang on. ..naah. |
| 23:43.16 | lkcl | okay. |
| 23:43.22 | lkcl | it's /dev/ttyS2 isn't it? |
| 23:43.26 | cr2 | yes |
| 23:43.30 | lkcl | console=ttyS2 |
| 23:43.31 | lkcl | okay. |
| 23:43.34 | cr2 | ok |
| 23:45.21 | JuNu_KN | cr2 bzip2: compressed file ends unexpectedly ... and I did a tar -xvjf gpe-image.rootfs.tar.bz2.tar -C /home/jn/mmc2 |
| 23:45.58 | cr2 | tell me md5sum -b |
| 23:47.01 | lkcl | why has it got a .tar extension on the end, twice, JuNu_KN? |
| 23:47.26 | lkcl | you are unpacking the CONTENTS of the gpe-image.rootfs.tar.bz2 file into /home/jn/mmc2 |
| 23:47.49 | lkcl | you are NOT putting the single FILE named gpe-image.rootfs.tar.bz2 onto the second ext2 partition. |
| 23:47.51 | JuNu_KN | Because I have downloaded it like this from the directory and you reported, that this doesn't matter |
| 23:47.57 | lkcl | that's the mistake that i made |
| 23:48.09 | lkcl | last month :) |
| 23:48.27 | lkcl | i must have not been very clear,then, sorry. |
| 23:48.47 | lkcl | i remember saying "pick any gpe-image.tar.bz2" file it doesn't matter which one you pick. |
| 23:50.27 | JuNu_KN | I took the one you listed in your homepage and untar it into my sd-card! There are now subdirs like usr and dev |
| 23:50.56 | lkcl | gooood |
| 23:51.11 | lkcl | now do mkdir /home/jn/mmc2/oldroot |
| 23:51.14 | JuNu_KN | but it reported errors! |
| 23:51.17 | lkcl | if you haven't already done so. |
| 23:51.40 | lkcl | then it hasn't downloaded correctly - check the file size. |
| 23:52.27 | JuNu_KN | size is 3129338 |
| 23:53.03 | cr2 | it is ok. |
| 23:53.15 | cr2 | do md5sum -b |
| 23:53.28 | lkcl | that's too small. |
| 23:53.33 | lkcl | it's only 25% of the file. |
| 23:53.38 | lkcl | it should be 16 megabytes. |
| 23:53.44 | cr2 | lkcl, i have the same |
| 23:53.56 | JuNu_KN | But that is the size of the file, listed in your dir |
| 23:54.02 | lkcl | bollocks. |
| 23:54.18 | JuNu_KN | Browser reports also 3MB |
| 23:54.24 | cr2 | i was surprised that gpe is so small |
| 23:54.43 | lkcl | sorry :) |
| 23:55.01 | lkcl | how did _that_ happen?? |
| 23:55.27 | lkcl | that's gonna hammer my network for a few mins... |
| 23:58.06 | cr2 | lkcl: a related question. can you install evc4 on your notebook or somewhere ? |
| 23:58.49 | lkcl | what's evc4? |
| 23:59.15 | cr2 | embedded visual c++ v4 compiler |
| 23:59.24 | lkcl | oh - btw - damn thing: am not getting an "ok" message thing. |
| 23:59.29 | lkcl | oh - i think i have it already. |
| 23:59.42 | lkcl | the arm one? |
| 23:59.55 | lkcl | i have _something_ installed that runs under wine (and works) |