| 00:00.01 | lkcl | i'm gonna write to cp15. |
| 00:00.20 | lkcl | i've still got the himalaya - i'll see if i can raise a BA from somewhere. |
| 00:12.41 | lkcl | the one critical thing that needs fixing is the LCD "wakeup" on a resume. if that can be made to work, then an announcement can be made. if an announcement can be made, it will attract people to the project, who would be able to help finish off the other things - bluetooth, wireless, etc. |
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| 07:42.15 | JuNuKN | ~botmail for cp15 Please don't give up yet! Not until you got response from the ccc meeting. Probably you should report the current status of BA to Heise for a news, with the call for new developers to help with the stuff missing! |
| 07:47.25 | JuNuKN | ~botmail for cp15 Your work was fantastic ... I am following it all the time in the log files. And yes, I know it is very time consuming ... at least if someone did it allone! So probably you should definitely ask for help (perhaps on every News media, like Linux-News, Heise, Golem, Handhelds and so on. Perhaps you can reduce than your work to an coordinator, - with the rigkt tips! Or ask someone |
| 07:47.25 | JuNuKN | to inform the media ... |
| 07:51.17 | JuNuKN | ~botmail for cp15 Equal, if the BA is sold out and outdated .... I am still waiting to get a cheap one .... perhaps after christmas ;o) ... With linux on it and full functionality it is a very hipp one! And in any case! It may be a software and motvation base for all following devices. Perhaps all guys have more time after christmas to help. |
| 07:53.45 | JuNuKN | ~botmail for lkcl Hello, I have followed your conversation with cp15 yesterday (in the log files). Perhaps it may help, If you inform the news media like heise, golem, linux-news and handhelds.org to bring out a news with the current status of the BA project and the call for help? |
| 07:54.29 | JuNuKN | ~botmail for lkcl I think motivated help may inspirate cp15 again! |
| 07:57.20 | JuNuKN | ~seen llange |
| 07:57.25 | apt | llange <n=llange@lange.nom.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-blueangel, 20d 9h 8m 27s ago, saying: 'no probs. =)'. |
| 07:57.35 | JuNuKN | ~seen iclem |
| 07:57.37 | apt | iclem <n=chatzill@iclem.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-blueangel, 6d 7h 37m 46s ago, saying: 'good night everybody'. |
| 07:57.59 | JuNuKN | ~seen cp15 |
| 07:58.00 | apt | cp15 <i=tkejci@p549A4246.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-blueangel, 8h 37m 31s ago, saying: 'So bye'. |
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| 08:28.12 | oxi-at-class | hey |
| 08:28.16 | oxi-at-class | morning |
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| 08:47.31 | rob_w-cgi | hey all |
| 09:18.22 | oxi-at-class | hi rob_w-cgi |
| 10:35.42 | lkcl | heya folks |
| 10:46.16 | rob_w-cgi | hey lkcl .. i read the logs from yesterday |
| 10:46.20 | rob_w-cgi | bad news |
| 10:47.28 | rob_w-cgi | i felt that cp15 is too enthusiastic .. to get it running within a month |
| 10:48.11 | rob_w-cgi | linux Pda`s where never that fast working and for some more time wont also .. although the time-to-market (?) these days is very quick already .. |
| 10:52.59 | lkcl | well, the key bit is the LCD after resume. |
| 10:53.14 | rob_w-cgi | ? what u mean ? |
| 10:53.16 | lkcl | and the fact that gpe exists at all cuts stacks of time. |
| 10:53.42 | lkcl | the only remaining bit that _really_ needs to work, before an announcement is made, is to have the LCD reset correctly on resume. |
| 10:53.56 | lkcl | everything else is secondary to that. |
| 10:53.58 | rob_w-cgi | hmm it did work before , right ? |
| 10:54.09 | lkcl | yes, but in "idle" mode not "resume". |
| 10:54.24 | lkcl | which puts the battery life at about 18 hours, standby. |
| 10:54.41 | rob_w-cgi | oh so now do actually sleep the lcd also ! |
| 10:54.44 | lkcl | the bluetooth doesn't matter; wireless doesn't matter; irda doesn't matter |
| 10:54.51 | rob_w-cgi | and that intrudices the prolem |
| 10:55.30 | lkcl | the fact that gomunicator works makes it useable as a phone, and incidentally you get the rest of GPE - an entire PDA suite - along for the ride. |
| 10:55.44 | lkcl | and that's worth an announcement. |
| 10:56.09 | lkcl | the lcd not coming up after resume? nope. |
| 10:56.29 | lkcl | how long was cp15 working on this? |
| 10:56.45 | lkcl | i didn't ask, but i thought he'd been on it for months. |
| 10:57.18 | lkcl | okay. |
| 10:57.50 | lkcl | what i'm going to do is to write a GPIO "dump" function in the kernel code. |
| 10:58.51 | lkcl | i will call that function just before an LCD suspend, then before resume-at-power-up, before the LCD is resumed and after the LCD is resumed. |
| 10:59.46 | rob_w-cgi | cool |
| 10:59.58 | rob_w-cgi | keep me updated when oyu have the fix .. i will test it then also |
| 11:00.15 | lkcl | i'd be really grateful if people could then try that out, run dmesg to capture the info, run apm --suspend, wake the BA up and run dmesg again. you'll need to upload both a modified kernel and also a modified blueangel_resume.ko. |
| 11:00.36 | lkcl | that's the point, rob - i don't have a BA any more to test against. |
| 11:00.53 | lkcl | i can't afford to buy both a BA _and_ a Universal. |
| 11:01.23 | lkcl | so i made a fast decision to return the BA within its 14 days (i had 1 day of posting left) and to get a Universal instead. |
| 11:01.50 | lkcl | cp15 was so disappointed to hear that, he left. |
| 11:03.26 | lkcl | being the lead on a free software R&D project is sometimes pretty thankless - i should know. |
| 11:06.17 | rob_w-cgi | hehe .. i dont know why cp15 is like that .. i never expspected anything and so i was happy of every bit transferred |
| 11:06.56 | rob_w-cgi | i also didnt had time to bring up at least one byte of code .. only testing ,, i am also very busy privatly .. |
| 11:07.28 | rob_w-cgi | but nonetheless , all efforts we took , will or will not be able to be reused on future projects .. like universal and the gomunicator .. |
| 11:07.38 | rob_w-cgi | so tome it still feels as a success |
| 11:10.31 | rob_w-cgi | i hope cp15 will come back in that sense .. if not , i am still very thankfull of what he did ( which was big parts , if not all important parts !! ) . .he is a good friendly guy ... i hope for him next time he doesnt has that big exspectations ... |
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| 12:32.33 | lkcl | it's not that: he's spent a lot of time getting other people up-to-speed, and then they disappear. |
| 12:37.45 | rob_w-cgi | well, u never know that |
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| 13:05.44 | rob_w-cgi | hin KonvIRC |
| 13:05.55 | rob_w-cgi | hi KonvIRC even |
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| 13:17.02 | rob_w-cgi | cr2 ? hi , |
| 13:17.32 | rob_w-cgi | is it the mighty cr2 who did big parts of HTC developments ? |
| 13:18.36 | cr2 | hi rob |
| 13:18.54 | cr2 | i did a lot of htc reverse-engeneering :) |
| 13:19.41 | cr2 | is cp15 still alive ? |
| 13:20.12 | cr2 | the irc logs didn"t look very good... |
| 13:27.31 | lkcl | heya cr2 |
| 13:28.00 | cr2 | hi lkcl |
| 13:28.03 | lkcl | yes, cp15 is alive: he's just very disappointed at the amount of time he's spent explaining things about himalaya only to have them disappear. |
| 13:28.19 | cr2 | do you have your new universal ? |
| 13:28.47 | rob_w-cgi | yeah cp15 is dissapointed .. but i guess he will be back after he was on the CCC |
| 13:28.54 | lkcl | not yet - they need proof of return of the BA, first, there's been too much fraud of people saying "i never received it!" |
| 13:29.25 | cr2 | i'm wondering why nobody has tested the SD on himalaya |
| 13:29.31 | lkcl | cr2 - i never met you before: hi, how/who are you? |
| 13:29.32 | cr2 | lkcl: i see |
| 13:29.58 | lkcl | well, i just sold my himalaya for £50 - i need the cash :) |
| 13:31.35 | cr2 | i'm a dirty linux hippie working in the university after his phd. |
| 13:31.40 | lkcl | i've been out the picture for 18 months, cr2: all of the people working on HTCs are new to me: only been back since 6th dec. |
| 13:32.05 | lkcl | _excellent_ :) which university lets dirty linux hippies hang around them, these days?? |
| 13:33.01 | lkcl | must dust off my anti-anti-war banners, re-read my "how to raid a campus, in five fun-packed lessons" books |
| 13:34.38 | cr2 | we still have some freedom here in germany :) |
| 13:35.51 | lkcl | yeh. don't remind me. xxxxing blair. *shakes head* |
| 13:36.00 | cr2 | btw, if you are interested in linux gpio logging, you should look at the motorola e680/a780 openezx wiki |
| 13:36.57 | lkcl | burble? ah ha |
| 13:38.10 | cr2 | rob_w: i think i'll meet cp15 in Berlin |
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| 13:57.07 | rob_w-cgi | good .. i wish i could join u ! |
| 14:01.19 | cr2 | actually, i have a fulltime job at the university, so i'll be there only on a day of his talk. |
| 14:05.40 | rob_w-cgi | yeah same here .. my job doesnt allow me to com |
| 14:13.56 | oxi | hey |
| 14:14.37 | oxi | is msn down? |
| 14:21.14 | cr2 | msn? what 's that |
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| 14:27.37 | rob_w-cgi | ~lart oxi for using msn |
| 14:57.38 | oxi | lol |
| 15:41.15 | Funklord | as someone said, I think people will have a lot more time in January |
| 15:41.47 | Funklord | nobody has free time during this part of the year |
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| 16:38.59 | Markiedam | Hi |
| 16:39.41 | oxi | hi |
| 16:40.21 | Markiedam | i am interested in the linux project regarding the XDA III |
| 16:40.46 | Markiedam | what is the progress? can i try it? is there alreade a pre-compiled GUI? |
| 16:41.01 | rob_w-cgi | yes there is |
| 16:41.41 | Markiedam | where can i find the information? |
| 16:41.42 | rob_w-cgi | check this site which carry `s instructions http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel |
| 16:41.45 | Markiedam | i really want to try it |
| 16:42.06 | Markiedam | Thanks rob_w-cgi |
| 16:42.16 | rob_w-cgi | basicly you will need a SD card .. most perfectly you do have linux expierence and a linux host available |
| 16:42.37 | oxi | anyone know why im getting this when trying to use va_start?:ISO C90 forbids mixed declarations and code |
| 16:43.26 | oxi | ppl in #kernel seem reluctant to answer anything about programming |
| 16:43.52 | Markiedam | damn..i first have to fix my internal card reader :(... i won;t work with linux |
| 16:46.17 | oxi | :-/ |
| 16:46.55 | oxi | whats a good channel for driver programming? |
| 16:48.57 | Funklord | oxi: show us the code, maybe someone here can help |
| 16:49.57 | oxi | not yet, cant expose myself to such embarrasement til its finished hehe |
| 16:50.14 | Funklord | the line where you get the error =P |
| 16:53.16 | oxi | strangely enough, when i tested a new sample function its not complaining about it... |
| 16:54.05 | rob_w-cgi | hehe |
| 16:59.55 | cr2 | rob_w: can we make a raw SD image with the kernel/gpe ? There are windowz/wince tools to write such image over activesync to the card directly. |
| 17:01.37 | rob_w-cgi | i am not aware of a tool like dd for windows |
| 17:02.42 | cr2 | i have patched the code from the un0 branch. the config process is a hell!!! |
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| 17:03.13 | cr2 | dd for "modern" windows is called ntrw.exe |
| 17:03.26 | rob_w-cgi | oh nice |
| 17:03.39 | cr2 | but you don't need it. |
| 17:03.58 | oxi | cr2: made an universal entry for menuconfig? |
| 17:04.50 | cr2 | oxi: yes, but it needs debugging and testing. at least the kernel compiles. But it will not work |
| 17:05.06 | oxi | okay :) |
| 17:05.47 | cr2 | a lot of weird stuff there: himalaya specific features are there where they do not belong |
| 17:06.15 | cr2 | pxa25x can be enabled simultaneously with pxa27x |
| 17:07.05 | cr2 | asic3_mmc has blueangel_asic3 compiled in, while it is used by 100 PDAs, not only by blueangel ;) |
| 17:08.50 | cr2 | i have updated mach-types from the hh.org CVS, now magician is also in the list |
| 17:09.05 | rob_w-cgi | ineed to run cu all |
| 17:17.49 | cr2 | oxi: i need to find out and wipe all hardcoded addresses, correct the LCCR* settings, GPIO values and ASIC3 gpio values. |
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| 17:51.42 | Markiedam | It runs :) |
| 17:52.18 | Markiedam | is there also a version with OPIE? |
| 18:14.47 | immolo | heya |
| 18:22.20 | immolo | anyone seen cp15? |
| 18:24.41 | cr2 | no. i think he needs some time to prepare his talk at CCC |
| 18:26.27 | immolo | damn I was looking for help on getting an embedded xscale and mobo and he is the first one that comes to mind |
| 18:28.50 | cr2 | "embedded xscale" is not a very exact definition |
| 18:30.50 | immolo | it's my first embedded project I've built from the ground up so I may be a little vague |
| 18:38.42 | immolo | I'm trying to build an embedded mythtv box |
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| 18:52.22 | pH5 | evening all |
| 18:55.17 | immolo | heya |
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| 19:20.57 | lkcl | immolo - i'm intrigued. mostly i'm intrigued to see whether your attempts succeed or flop spectacularly :) what are you attempting to build it from - or is that what you're asking: you want to consider some options? i can recommend the manga box, by peplink.com - if you are happy to use MiniPCI cards (they _can_ be quite expensive) as the manga boxes can take up to two MiniPCI cards, one USB, and five ethernet. and serial. |
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| 19:21.51 | immolo | lkcl, well I'm going to need some tvout and some ethernet |
| 19:21.54 | lkcl | does it _have_ to be an xscale? you could always try the MiniITX boxes from e.g. linitx.com |
| 19:22.12 | immolo | the tv cards can sit on my server |
| 19:22.21 | lkcl | you _can_ get MiniPCI vga cards - they're a bit expensive. |
| 19:22.32 | immolo | over ?50? |
| 19:22.41 | lkcl | almost certainly. |
| 19:22.44 | immolo | damn |
| 19:23.45 | lkcl | the MiniITX motherboards are only about £50+VAT if you don't mind a 500Mhz VIA/Eden processor (get them quick because they're being superceded by the Via EDEN 600Mhz boards which will be about £72+VAT) |
| 19:24.09 | lkcl | you get one PCI slot and you can fit a riser card which gives you two PCI slots in it. |
| 19:24.43 | immolo | sounds good |
| 19:24.51 | lkcl | what else. mikrotik.com do a very good (but relatively expensive) range of embedded boards - with _stacks_ of options. including a PCI card that will take _four_ mini-pci cards. |
| 19:25.11 | lkcl | another PCI card with four ethernet cards. |
| 19:25.18 | lkcl | routerboard.com - that's it. yeh. |
| 19:25.26 | immolo | I only need one ethernet card :P |
| 19:25.28 | lkcl | it's a MIPS processor, that one, i think. |
| 19:25.41 | immolo | MIPS is ok I have worked alot with that |
| 19:25.42 | lkcl | take a look at the routerboard 230 then. |
| 19:26.04 | immolo | wasn't very fun trying to get gentoo to run on it though |
| 19:26.10 | lkcl | you have _lots_ of options, basically. mikrotik won't sell their systems without their software, though, which is a proprietised version of linux. |
| 19:26.46 | immolo | yeah needs to be opensourced as gentoo will be replacing it |
| 19:27.06 | immolo | err, I don't why I typed that |
| 19:27.30 | lkcl | personally, i'd go for the MiniITX solution, because you can get _tiny_ cases, they contain all the usual stuff you'd expect of a PC (all the standard stuff on the back - ethernet, PS-2, parallel, serial, VGA, sound... ) |
| 19:27.58 | lkcl | _and_ you have an IDE _and_ a single (expandable) PCI slot. _and_ they're relatively cheap. |
| 19:28.21 | immolo | I'll either be using cf or diskless |
| 19:28.25 | lkcl | cases are £50. EDEN 500Mhz boards are £50+VAT. |
| 19:28.29 | immolo | cuts out nosie |
| 19:28.35 | lkcl | then you could get an IDE CF. |
| 19:28.41 | immolo | that's my plan |
| 19:28.50 | lkcl | but to be honest, the 2.5in IDE drives are _so_ quiet you'll hardly notice - i promise. |
| 19:29.03 | lkcl | the 500Mhz boards don't need a fan. |
| 19:29.16 | immolo | the 1ghz via don't need a fan either |
| 19:29.18 | lkcl | the case _comes_ with one but you don't need to plug it in. |
| 19:29.28 | lkcl | really? gosh. |
| 19:29.44 | immolo | they are basicly a x86 mac mini |
| 19:30.02 | lkcl | that's unexpected. i wonder what fab process they used to make it. 90nm probably. |
| 19:30.22 | immolo | there is a cooling block that the cpu sits in |
| 19:30.26 | lkcl | and probably 130nm for the 500mhz one. |
| 19:30.30 | lkcl | ahh, right. okay. |
| 19:30.45 | lkcl | no, the 500mhz one it's a small heatsink. |
| 19:31.02 | lkcl | i got one for my wife: she uses it as her main linux desktop system at work. |
| 19:31.05 | immolo | I've only seen the 1ghz ones |
| 19:31.29 | lkcl | 500mhz with 256mb of RAM is _more_ than adequate for a linux desktop system. it's only if you went to 128mb ram you'd have to worry. |
| 19:31.49 | lkcl | the only thing: you _must_ get low-profile 133mhz SD-RAM |
| 19:31.57 | immolo | mythtv needs 256 |
| 19:32.26 | lkcl | which is about £12 for 128mb and ... guessing ... from memory... £22 for 256mb. _low profile_. otherwise it doesn't fit into the cases, properly. |
| 19:32.56 | immolo | I've got a bag filled with ram so I should have something that fits |
| 19:33.16 | lkcl | if you intend to fit a "standard" PCI card in it, then you're going to need a bigger case, and a "riser" card. |
| 19:33.38 | lkcl | so your budget is abooouuut.... £250, all told. |
| 19:34.01 | rob_w | talking about stuff ,, i ve met a nice engineer who is doing pcb`s now for some time and he also now wants to make bigger pcb`s + lcd touch |
| 19:34.17 | lkcl | oh, rob? |
| 19:34.38 | lkcl | he wants to make an embedded system? |
| 19:34.45 | lkcl | you mean, an lcd touch-screen? |
| 19:35.09 | immolo | I very much dislike touchscreen and linux :P |
| 19:35.28 | rob_w | talking of which .. that guy said he calls me monday ,, now it is tuesday :-F |
| 19:36.02 | cr2 | lkcl: a question for our OE gods. can we build opie? |
| 19:36.04 | lkcl | ah, it has its uses, immolo - for example, the AMPORTAL project with the flash console. |
| 19:36.16 | rob_w | "The touchscreen is the gate to next generation ui `s " |
| 19:36.22 | lkcl | cr2: what's opie? :) |
| 19:36.31 | lkcl | i have been building familiar 0.8.3 |
| 19:36.36 | rob_w | ~opie |
| 19:36.37 | apt | methinks opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect, API http://handhelds.org/~zecke/apidocs/, or a nose-hair trimming device invented by Steve Ballmer in his high-school days |
| 19:37.01 | immolo | opie doesn't have any phone software was the status I was told |
| 19:37.10 | rob_w | ah i got back my BA headset from support |
| 19:37.18 | rob_w | hehe |
| 19:37.31 | lkcl | if openembedded.org has it as a build target, i'm always willing to give it a shot. |
| 19:37.40 | immolo | but it would be no more work then it is to get gpe working then it would to get opie working |
| 19:37.56 | immolo | just more to maintain |
| 19:38.00 | lkcl | yep - it looks like it has :) |
| 19:38.00 | cr2 | opie has qpegps :) |
| 19:38.06 | rob_w | lkcl, oh it is nice in some respect |
| 19:38.31 | lkcl | hmmm.... bitbake opie-image (surprise...) |
| 19:38.47 | immolo | cr2, then cp15 lied to me :P |
| 19:39.01 | cr2 | immolo: ??? |
| 19:39.01 | rob_w | it feels like " inbuild functions on each app " is bigger , but many are empty or not doing waht they should .. my opinion |
| 19:39.29 | lkcl | ooo, it's pretty. |
| 19:39.41 | rob_w | yep and opie has kstars :-) |
| 19:40.17 | rob_w | once i tried to tune kstars on a h3900 so it might start in less then 4 minutes |
| 19:40.30 | lkcl | ah _ha_ - opie wouldn't _happen_ to be based on qt, would it? |
| 19:40.42 | cr2 | qt embedded |
| 19:40.44 | rob_w | they say |
| 19:40.45 | lkcl | or.. kde? |
| 19:40.59 | lkcl | _excellent_. i like it already. i detest gnome and gtk. |
| 19:41.13 | immolo | the guys that made qt made opie before it was opensourced right? |
| 19:41.23 | rob_w | many times i read news from trolltech but i never maanged to devices in that sense |
| 19:41.23 | cr2 | :))) cp15 will eat you alive |
| 19:41.30 | lkcl | i have to try bitbake opie-imag _immediately_ :) |
| 19:41.53 | lkcl | oh dear :) |
| 19:41.53 | rob_w | immolo, basicly trolltech makes "their older" version opensource .. |
| 19:42.31 | immolo | rob_w, I knew it was something along those lines, been awhile since I've read opie history |
| 19:42.33 | rob_w | which still makes you very dependant on "their" changes |
| 19:42.47 | lkcl | i think... this explains my views on gnome and gtk best: http://advogato.org/person/lkcl/diary.html?start=235 |
| 19:43.39 | lkcl | but i should say - when it gets to embedded systems, it's a different story. there isn't _room_ for "argument" about features, so i am just delighted that there is _anything_ for these embedded systems. |
| 19:44.58 | lkcl | well... yes-and-no... the free software community doesn't _have_ to stick to trolltech's "older" versions. it's just that it's so much damn work maintaining these kinds of codebases, we'd rather we left it to trolltech, yes? |
| 19:45.40 | lkcl | nway... back in a mo, i must do some folding else i'm gonna get bitched at in about 30 mins... |
| 19:47.04 | rob_w | nice , lkcl have fun ! |
| 19:47.25 | rob_w | can we today talk about the lcd thingi ? |
| 19:48.58 | rob_w | hmm i was the only one yet on the board id without a camera |
| 19:49.53 | cr2 | i'm the one without lcd. headless gpe, anyone ? ;) |
| 19:50.18 | rob_w | lkcl, i meant the lcd resume bug on the BA .. you planned some debug dump |
| 19:50.32 | rob_w | cr2, how that |
| 19:50.43 | rob_w | sorry need to run to the videothel |
| 19:51.30 | cr2 | sat on my ba, so bye-bye lcd :( |
| 20:01.00 | immolo | anyone know if windows has an lspci type tool |
| 20:02.49 | cr2 | why? boot knoppix |
| 20:02.58 | immolo | remote pc |
| 20:03.23 | immolo | and I haven't used windows in two years so I can't rememeber a thing about it |
| 20:24.36 | rob_w | re |
| 20:29.43 | cr2 | immolo: qpegps is not a phone program, it's about gps and raster maps http://qpegps.sf.net |
| 20:34.33 | rob_w | immolo , what board id do you have ? |
| 20:35.32 | immolo | the x5 one |
| 20:36.41 | rob_w | ah , same here |
| 20:37.43 | rob_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.39 | immolo | rob_w, you running linux full time now? |
| 20:39.37 | rob_w | no not full time ,, as it freezes on resume ;-) |
| 20:40.23 | immolo | lol well if I switch and tried to help you debug can I send/recive calls and sms? |
| 20:41.07 | rob_w | lately yes but you need to prevent it from suspending ! |
| 20:41.23 | rob_w | you could actually verify the freeze |
| 20:41.26 | rob_w | :-) |
| 20:41.44 | immolo | cool, what image are you using? |
| 20:42.27 | cr2 | there are a lot of unknown gpios on ba... |
| 20:42.31 | rob_w | http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/linux/ |
| 20:43.21 | immolo | any thing that needs hacking to make it work |
| 20:43.23 | rob_w | ya and what i dont get is , that the last patch actually extended lcd gpio`s on Board 6 units and decreased the calls on board 5 units |
| 20:43.47 | rob_w | well the standard things ,, |
| 20:44.03 | cr2 | we can only follow wince here |
| 20:44.26 | rob_w | i think that gpe-image is a missing /oldroot dir .. |
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| 20:45.00 | rob_w | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/xanadux/linux-2.6-xda/arch/arm/mach-pxa/blueangel/Attic/blueangel_lcd.c?r1=1.1.2.1&r2=1.1.2.2&only_with_tag=K2-6-12-hh2-xda0-ba0 |
| 20:45.54 | rob_w | is view of the latest diff on blueangel_lcd .. board id 6 units and board id 5 units are now treated differently .. inside hw_init() |
| 20:52.15 | rob_w | nice .. asm-arm/arch-pxa/blueangel-gpio and blueangel_asic.h are identical file ?!? |
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| 23:01.01 | cr2 | somebody still around ? |
| 23:02.51 | lkcl | yes, gpe-image is missing /oldroot. |
| 23:03.01 | lkcl | sort-of, cr2. |
| 23:04.17 | lkcl | jus for a couple mins |
| 23:05.47 | lkcl | rob_w: i'm not having freeze problems by logging in over ssh and issuing "apm --suspend". |
| 23:06.00 | lkcl | don't log in to gpe-login. |
| 23:07.14 | lkcl | just ssh in, run apm --suspend, _don't_ type any keys on your ssh console, press the power button on the BA to wake it up, then do "ifup eth0" on your workstation to bring the usb0 back up. then you should find that the ssh connection is back up again. |
| 23:07.48 | lkcl | each time you do a suspend, the usb0 will be brought off-line but the ssh connection is _not_ lost: ifup usb0 reactivates it |
| 23:07.58 | lkcl | sorry, that's ifup usb0 not ifup eth0 of course. |
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| 23:20.12 | oxi | hey |
| 23:20.33 | oxi | lkcl: what you want? |
| 23:21.41 | lkcl | hiya oxi. |
| 23:21.50 | oxi | hi |
| 23:21.51 | lkcl | oh. i forgot. let me try to think. |
| 23:21.52 | lkcl | oh yes. |
| 23:22.02 | lkcl | what are you using to connect to your universal? |
| 23:22.06 | lkcl | a usb or a serial cable? |
| 23:22.18 | oxi | no |
| 23:22.21 | oxi | wifi |
| 23:22.26 | lkcl | wifi???? !!! |
| 23:22.35 | oxi | you mean to use haret on it? |
| 23:22.37 | lkcl | when booting it under linux??? |
| 23:22.38 | oxi | yeah :D |
| 23:22.45 | oxi | nope |
| 23:22.48 | lkcl | ah. |
| 23:22.50 | lkcl | sorry |
| 23:23.01 | lkcl | i should say: when you boot a linux kernel, how are you talking to it? |
| 23:23.53 | oxi | well, i havent been able to boot one yet. well i get a kernel panic but i guess i wont be able till theres support for sd |
| 23:24.07 | lkcl | a kernel panic is gooood |
| 23:24.24 | lkcl | how are you receiving the information that says "kernel panic"? |
| 23:24.32 | oxi | now im stucked at making the framebuffer work at fullscreen |
| 23:24.42 | oxi | hm let me see |
| 23:24.47 | lkcl | by what method are you receiving the information that says "kernel panic"? |
| 23:25.00 | oxi | on the screen |
| 23:25.03 | lkcl | ah. |
| 23:25.04 | lkcl | right. |
| 23:25.13 | lkcl | okay. |
| 23:25.29 | lkcl | hmmm.... need a serial connection or usb connection. |
| 23:25.49 | oxi | under linux or using haret? |
| 23:26.14 | oxi | i can check if i can do it with haret |
| 23:26.58 | oxi | may i |
| 23:27.50 | lkcl | the simplest option for doing initial exploration is to have a serial connection, and to set the console onto the serial line. |
| 23:28.08 | lkcl | then, you can tell what's going on. |
| 23:28.36 | lkcl | you can unpack the initial ramdisk, add in new experimental modules, and repack it, then boot from that. |
| 23:28.43 | oxi | well its got no deck nor a com port. its got a miniusb port that i guess you can use for a serial connection |
| 23:28.47 | lkcl | and over the serial line, do modprobe <experimentalmodule> |
| 23:29.05 | lkcl | so you can try out new framebuffer modules much quicker. |
| 23:29.06 | lkcl | etc. |
| 23:29.34 | oxi | hm i see |
| 23:30.15 | lkcl | the thing is: you _really_ don't want to be attempting to test / develop more than you have to, straight away. |
| 23:30.45 | oxi | you mean its not a good idea to write a new fb driver? |
| 23:30.55 | oxi | im basing it on another one |
| 23:31.00 | lkcl | oh it's a good idea |
| 23:31.37 | lkcl | but if you want to speed up your development cycle, then being able to upload new modules, rmmod the old ones and insmod new ones would be a good idea :) |
| 23:31.57 | lkcl | plus, over the serial line, you can see debug information (run dmesg) |
| 23:32.02 | oxi | hmm yes i agree |
| 23:32.18 | lkcl | fill your fb code with printk()s which you can see |
| 23:32.45 | lkcl | but if your fb code isn't working, you can't find out why, because you have nothing to print them on :) |
| 23:32.53 | lkcl | plus - and this is very useful: echo jfsljfhsdjfhsdlfhdslf > /dev/fb |
| 23:32.55 | lkcl | sorry |
| 23:33.01 | lkcl | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.13 | lkcl | will tell you immediately if you have your framebuffer working :) |
| 23:33.26 | lkcl | cos crap will appear in the top left corner. |
| 23:33.32 | oxi | hmm |
| 23:33.57 | lkcl | first thing i bought for my himalaya was a serial cable. |
| 23:37.11 | lkcl | anyway. gotta go. need to sleep _some_ time :) |
| 23:39.37 | oxi | heheh |
| 23:39.42 | oxi | so do i... |
| 23:39.46 | oxi | see you then :) |
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| 23:52.40 | raz0r1911 | Hi may i know how do i quit the linux version of Blue Angel |
| 23:52.50 | raz0r1911 | Cuz I do a soft reset that doesn't help |
| 23:52.54 | immolo | hard reset |
| 23:53.08 | immolo | don't soft reset it crashes the ba |
| 23:54.14 | raz0r1911 | But hard reset i needa restart the windows mobile isn't it |
| 23:54.42 | immolo | press the power button and stick the stylus in the hole and ce will boot |
| 23:55.13 | raz0r1911 | Any alternatives? |
| 23:55.58 | immolo | throw the ba agaisnt a wall and claim a new one? |
| 23:56.29 | raz0r1911 | other alternatives |
| 23:56.32 | raz0r1911 | ? |
| 23:56.36 | immolo | no |
| 23:56.54 | raz0r1911 | sigh, i thought i could dip my BA in water |
| 23:57.01 | raz0r1911 | aniwae, gtg. |
| 23:57.03 | raz0r1911 | bye |