| 00:00.01 | cp15 | That gives us? |
| 00:00.03 | lkcl | so probably worthwhile making gpe-contacts in xanadux sf. |
| 00:00.40 | lkcl | pb says that bluez.org is the upstream source for bluez-utils (surprise :) |
| 00:01.26 | cp15 | BTW: w4xy still seems to live, I have got administrator access today... But it was the only response I got of him |
| 00:01.42 | lkcl | whoa - he must be busy. |
| 00:01.53 | lkcl | darn. i liked the guy. pity not to hear from him. |
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| 00:02.11 | lkcl | brb... |
| 00:04.19 | lkcl | k. |
| 00:16.28 | eme | sleeples. ba get this from us? ;) |
| 00:18.10 | lkcl | oh dear. i feel a hack coming on... |
| 00:18.23 | lkcl | *twitch*, *twitch*... |
| 00:18.30 | eme | sure it will |
| 00:18.33 | lkcl | nnnngggggghhhh i can't help it. HACK TIME!!!! |
| 00:19.29 | lkcl | i'm gonna shove that emulator boot-sequence direct into the w100fb.c source code, cp15 - see if it works. *grin* |
| 00:19.59 | lkcl | a-hacking here we gooo, a hacking here we go, ee eeeye aaadio, |
| 00:20.22 | cp15 | The values might be different to the ones from windows |
| 00:20.29 | lkcl | i don't caaaare :) |
| 00:20.43 | lkcl | it's always possible to reinitialise _afterwards_ - a second time. |
| 00:20.52 | lkcl | i just want to see what happens. |
| 00:20.56 | cp15 | But I have compared the values set by w100fb to the ones from windows and they are the same |
| 00:21.16 | cp15 | Ok, but I will go to bed now |
| 00:21.54 | lkcl | ack. i'll let you know what happens. |
| 00:22.48 | cp15 | I have to write some invoices tomorrow... That is more exhausting than doing the work |
| 00:23.07 | cp15 | Good night |
| 00:23.12 | lkcl | night dude |
| 00:23.16 | eme | gn |
| 00:53.39 | lkcl | ~botmail for lkcl test |
| 00:54.05 | lkcl | ~botmail for cp15 about the only thing left is GPDR - gpio directional registers et. |
| 00:55.59 | dullard | hmmmm botmail... new to me... |
| 00:56.15 | dullard | ~botmail for dullard hello |
| 00:56.36 | dullard | splendid |
| 00:59.32 | dullard | ~botmail for cp15 oops. must remember to edit my nick when away. I welcome any suggestions as to how I can help... cheers |
| 01:00.01 | lkcl | ello dulard. yeh, new to me, too. cool, init. |
| 01:00.28 | dullard | nice tip |
| 01:41.03 | lkcl | ~botmail for cp15. ah. you hadn't restored the GPDRs etc. am just trying that... |
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| 02:00.58 | lkcl | nope. sleep. |
| 02:01.01 | lkcl | nite folks. |
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| 07:58.31 | rob_w-cgi | hey all |
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| 08:19.03 | eme | good mornig |
| 08:19.14 | cp15 | Good morning |
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| 08:24.39 | oxi-at-class | morning |
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| 08:24.56 | rob_w-cgi | good morning , chaps |
| 08:25.51 | rob_w-cgi | i stil suffering to not resume properly with my setup here anymore ... it comes back but then the system is stuck ( not finishing the apm -s on the console ) and backlight is dimmed quite low |
| 08:26.28 | cp15 | That is a real strange result |
| 08:26.38 | rob_w-cgi | i tryed to unload all modules which i added before and still it stucks , that is with our latest kernel which included the suspend changes .. of course the BA_suspend is loaded .. |
| 08:27.20 | cp15 | What do you have on the screen? |
| 08:28.05 | rob_w-cgi | the gpe session displayed with the open console where i typed apm -s ,, but as said that command did not return by then |
| 08:28.26 | cp15 | Is the cursor flashing? |
| 08:28.27 | rob_w-cgi | system is really stuck as it looses ethernet also |
| 08:28.48 | rob_w-cgi | no .. no prompt , then apm -s is still capturing that terminal |
| 08:28.53 | oxi-at-class | wheres the chanel log please? |
| 08:29.08 | rob_w-cgi | oxi-at-class : check the topic |
| 08:29.22 | oxi-at-class | oops :) |
| 08:30.13 | cp15 | oxi: I have made a mistake yesterday. You need to do a cvs update -r K2-6-12-hh2-xda0-un0 before changing anything |
| 08:30.23 | cp15 | and after the tagging |
| 08:31.47 | rob_w-cgi | cp15 also my battery value`s are bigger then the ones defined max in the module .. i got those "Report blabal " printf`s .. seems my black BA has again some diffreneces here |
| 08:34.50 | rob_w-cgi | i will report my values later .. if you wish or i then will have a try with a patched battery module with those value`s |
| 08:35.30 | cp15 | Bigger or smaller? |
| 08:35.44 | cp15 | I have also smaller values... They were just guesswork |
| 08:35.56 | rob_w-cgi | ahm .. bigger i think .. hang on i mount my sd .. |
| 08:37.16 | cp15 | If it is bigger your battery must be pretty empty |
| 08:37.26 | rob_w-cgi | oh |
| 08:37.46 | rob_w-cgi | voltage read : dez. 2263 -> hex 8D7 |
| 08:38.08 | rob_w-cgi | temp read : 983 -> 3D 7 |
| 08:38.36 | cp15 | Oh no... |
| 08:38.42 | rob_w-cgi | sorry as i didnt save the pure log messages .. after i saw them i did a cat to the /sys/class |
| 08:38.48 | oxi-at-class | cp15: okay, actually i didnt anything else, so i guess thats ok |
| 08:38.50 | rob_w-cgi | whats the story ? |
| 08:40.16 | rob_w-cgi | oh nice , we have a universal TAG .. good work |
| 08:40.31 | cp15 | oxi is working on support for the universal, and I have told him (wrongly) how to commit his changes into the xanadux cvs |
| 08:42.14 | oxi-at-class | brb |
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| 08:47.04 | oxi-at-class | hey |
| 08:47.09 | rob_w-cgi | how did you create those hex vals you have in the module ? by expierence or by registers ?? |
| 08:47.27 | cp15 | Purely guesswork |
| 08:47.42 | oxi-at-class | cp15: what was the update command again? i had to reboot and forgot to write it down |
| 08:49.04 | oxi-at-class | got it |
| 08:52.33 | oxi-at-class | done |
| 08:52.53 | oxi-at-class | now onto study cvs :) |
| 08:53.43 | rob_w-cgi | cp15 it feels like at least in the 2nd byte the 3 lower bits count so far |
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| 08:58.16 | raz0r1911 | Hi, any 1 herere. |
| 08:58.19 | raz0r1911 | I need help. |
| 08:58.35 | raz0r1911 | Actually I'm stucked at the first part of installation. |
| 08:58.39 | eme | hi |
| 08:58.44 | raz0r1911 | I'm not sure how to partition my sd card. |
| 08:59.09 | eme | du fdis /dev/yourcard |
| 08:59.16 | eme | fdisk sorry |
| 08:59.57 | raz0r1911 | Means i must run the haret in my phone first? |
| 09:00.07 | eme | it should be something like /dev/sdc or /dev/sda,... |
| 09:00.14 | eme | no |
| 09:00.40 | raz0r1911 | Hmm this is the part i'm not sure about, and btw i'm using a blue angel yea. |
| 09:00.47 | eme | you put sd card in card reader |
| 09:00.54 | eme | make partitions |
| 09:00.56 | raz0r1911 | yes. |
| 09:00.58 | eme | format partitions |
| 09:01.03 | eme | copy files on partitions |
| 09:01.08 | raz0r1911 | is it possible to make partition in windows? |
| 09:01.22 | eme | sorry dude, I do not have windows |
| 09:01.35 | raz0r1911 | ahh, damn. |
| 09:01.47 | raz0r1911 | I suppose i nid a linux to partition it |
| 09:01.54 | eme | chech out here if you havet yet: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel?action=show |
| 09:02.59 | raz0r1911 | Ya i checked it. |
| 09:03.11 | raz0r1911 | Still, unable to pass the partitioning part. |
| 09:03.19 | eme | if you main pc is m$ based, why u want to put linux on pda??? |
| 09:04.00 | raz0r1911 | Cuz actually I'll find that using linux on my pda is cool, and also.. I can't linux on main pc is because I'm sharing this com |
| 09:04.33 | eme | anyhow, thing you can do it with win if you find fdisk program for windows whic |
| 09:04.43 | eme | know ext3 fs |
| 09:05.33 | eme | havent you heare for dual boot. u can run linux or win on same pc. |
| 09:07.07 | eme | maybe other guy know how to make partitions from M$. |
| 09:07.11 | raz0r1911 | yeah i know using lilo boot last time |
| 09:07.28 | raz0r1911 | grub etc |
| 09:07.33 | eme | jp |
| 09:07.59 | raz0r1911 | so u're using linux on blue angel right now? |
| 09:08.55 | eme | if you have a strong will, than you can boot with live linux cd and make things from there |
| 09:09.16 | eme | partialy |
| 09:09.24 | raz0r1911 | Ohh yes, damn why didn't i thought of that |
| 09:09.29 | raz0r1911 | Thanks alot mate. |
| 09:09.38 | eme | np |
| 09:10.05 | raz0r1911 | aite, gtg. see ya nx time mate |
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| 09:30.06 | knoppix | Hi eme, I'm off loading from a on the fly disc. |
| 09:30.20 | knoppix | Now i'm not sure how to partition it, it keeps saying sda not found |
| 09:32.28 | eme | do tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 09:32.39 | eme | inser your sd card |
| 09:33.28 | eme | find out your /dev/sdX |
| 09:34.07 | knoppix | OK on the desktop |
| 09:34.11 | knoppix | there is a driver sda1 |
| 09:34.19 | knoppix | so i just do fdisk /dev/sda1 ? |
| 09:34.35 | eme | fdisk /dev/sda |
| 09:34.40 | eme | no noumer |
| 09:34.46 | eme | noumber |
| 09:37.18 | knoppix | hmm weird |
| 09:37.23 | knoppix | i can't tail -f |
| 09:38.11 | eme | u have to be root |
| 09:39.16 | knoppix | Ok, am able to perform fdisk, so under Command I delete all previous partition |
| 09:39.31 | knoppix | And now i add a new partition>? |
| 09:39.42 | eme | first make p |
| 09:39.58 | eme | to se all partitions |
| 09:40.00 | knoppix | Ok now it has nothing on it. |
| 09:40.06 | eme | is it empty |
| 09:40.09 | eme | ok |
| 09:40.10 | knoppix | Yup |
| 09:40.12 | eme | nov make |
| 09:40.13 | eme | n |
| 09:40.16 | knoppix | n |
| 09:40.18 | eme | new |
| 09:40.20 | eme | then p |
| 09:40.24 | eme | primary |
| 09:41.09 | knoppix | so for 30 mb i start on First cylinder |
| 09:41.11 | knoppix | ends at 300 |
| 09:41.14 | knoppix | is that okay |
| 09:41.28 | eme | u du somthing like |
| 09:41.37 | eme | +30M |
| 09:41.54 | eme | make p |
| 09:41.56 | eme | to see it |
| 09:42.24 | eme | then n for next partition |
| 09:42.29 | knoppix | The number of clocks determine the space right |
| 09:42.32 | knoppix | blocks* |
| 09:42.48 | knoppix | and now extended |
| 09:42.50 | knoppix | eh? |
| 09:44.03 | eme | make another one joust like the other one ;) |
| 09:44.17 | knoppix | 2 primary. |
| 09:44.21 | eme | jp |
| 09:44.41 | knoppix | Select partition i choose 2? |
| 09:44.58 | eme | roger |
| 09:45.15 | knoppix | alright done. |
| 09:45.20 | knoppix | So what should i do next] |
| 09:45.25 | eme | p |
| 09:45.31 | eme | to see it |
| 09:45.35 | eme | w to write it |
| 09:45.47 | knoppix | /dev/sda1p1 and /dev/sda1p2/ |
| 09:46.26 | knoppix | it says Re-reading the parition table failed with error 16 |
| 09:46.37 | eme | should be /dev/sda1 and sda2 |
| 09:46.41 | knoppix | kernel still uses the old table, new table will be used at next reboot |
| 09:46.53 | knoppix | So i restart my com now? |
| 09:46.53 | eme | no good |
| 09:47.29 | knoppix | hmm.. |
| 09:47.40 | eme | on beginig u say : Now i'm not sure how to partition it, it keeps saying sda not found |
| 09:48.01 | eme | now you work with /dev/sda ??? |
| 09:48.02 | knoppix | Yea |
| 09:48.12 | knoppix | Once i use root |
| 09:48.16 | knoppix | I'm able to access it |
| 09:48.37 | cp15 | The problem is that there is probably still /dev/sda1 mounted, which prevents the kernel from accepting the new partition table |
| 09:48.41 | eme | and card was recognised in kern.log |
| 09:48.55 | knoppix | Hmm, and so what should i do now. |
| 09:49.07 | knoppix | repartion it delete all partition and perform "w" first? |
| 09:49.08 | cp15 | do a mount | grep sda |
| 09:49.12 | oxi-at-class | type umount /dev/sda1 |
| 09:49.19 | eme | amm, the partition must be unmounted when do with fdisk |
| 09:49.35 | eme | and do mount to check if ther any left.. |
| 09:49.41 | cp15 | But you can umount it now, then do fdisk again with just w |
| 09:50.39 | knoppix | Ok, no more error. heh |
| 09:51.08 | knoppix | And now i do this? |
| 09:51.08 | knoppix | # |
| 09:51.09 | knoppix | mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 09:51.09 | knoppix | # |
| 09:51.11 | knoppix | mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda2 |
| 09:51.22 | oxi-at-class | yup |
| 09:53.14 | knoppix | Ok on the mounting part i am stuck |
| 09:53.16 | knoppix | i guess.. |
| 09:54.04 | knoppix | mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/sd0 |
| 09:54.13 | knoppix | this gives me an error saying there is on sd0 |
| 09:54.16 | eme | what ls -all /mnt say |
| 09:54.30 | cp15 | mkdir /mnt/sd0 /mnt/sd1 |
| 09:54.35 | eme | joust do mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 |
| 09:54.57 | eme | ups |
| 09:55.55 | knoppix | so i just do a mkdir /mnt/sd0 ? |
| 09:56.00 | knoppix | or |
| 09:56.01 | knoppix | ? |
| 09:56.56 | eme | no |
| 09:56.59 | eme | i make a mistake |
| 09:57.03 | eme | buffer... |
| 09:57.06 | knoppix | Ok able to get it with no error |
| 09:57.09 | knoppix | Hmm? |
| 09:57.16 | eme | mkdir /mnt/sd0 /mnt/sd1 |
| 09:57.31 | knoppix | ok done |
| 09:57.38 | eme | now go on |
| 10:10.34 | knoppix | damn this live cd isnt stable |
| 10:10.42 | knoppix | keeps making terminal hang |
| 10:20.43 | oxi-at-class | cp15: may i preserve "generic" entry under pxa2xx systems in make menuconfig as well as in sources themselves? |
| 10:23.30 | knoppix | eme, When I inserted my sd card, nothing happens |
| 10:24.24 | oxi-at-class | you made 2577 dir and copied autorun.exe into it, right? |
| 10:24.30 | knoppix | Yes |
| 10:24.41 | knoppix | btw, my file explorer in my phone can't see the SD card |
| 10:24.41 | oxi-at-class | weird |
| 10:24.53 | knoppix | Do i need to change anything? |
| 10:25.06 | oxi-at-class | if you made an vfat partition correctly it should see it |
| 10:25.18 | knoppix | hmm |
| 10:25.48 | oxi-at-class | did you umount the partitions after copying all the files? |
| 10:25.52 | knoppix | You mean your phone u're able to see the SD card? |
| 10:26.09 | oxi-at-class | you're able to see the fat partition, yes |
| 10:26.31 | knoppix | Let me restart the whole proceedure |
| 10:26.55 | oxi-at-class | on linux you cant be sure whether an action on a file has been taken until you make an umount. did you umount them before taking out the sd card? |
| 10:27.24 | knoppix | Oh i did not.. |
| 10:27.32 | knoppix | Hmm, Let me try again. |
| 10:27.37 | oxi-at-class | then its very likely thats it |
| 10:27.49 | knoppix | btw how do i unmount |
| 10:28.10 | oxi-at-class | umount /dev/sda1 or umount /mnt/mntdir |
| 10:30.22 | knoppix | Thanks. |
| 10:30.28 | knoppix | I'll try the whole proceedure again |
| 10:31.10 | oxi-at-class | good luck |
| 10:32.15 | knoppix | Thanks, btw after i do mkfs.vfat it should be in fat already right |
| 10:32.52 | cp15 | We urgently need an installation system |
| 10:33.03 | knoppix | why. |
| 10:33.24 | cp15 | Because it shoudln't take hours to install linux on the BA |
| 10:33.54 | cp15 | It should work like this: create a folder linux on your sd card, copy a few files into it, tap on haret and answer a few simple questions |
| 10:34.12 | cp15 | No need for a linux host, knoppix etc |
| 10:34.42 | knoppix | yes. |
| 10:35.01 | knoppix | brb |
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| 11:15.15 | raz0r1911 | hey guys i managed to get it installed |
| 11:15.30 | raz0r1911 | but now the issue is it get stuck at HaRET Version 0.3.6 screen |
| 11:17.42 | eme | reinsert card |
| 11:18.57 | eme | or take card out, reset, wait and insert card back |
| 11:20.15 | eme | it also happent to me, that haret hangs complainging abt not finding initrd think |
| 11:20.32 | eme | not actualy hangs ;) |
| 11:20.40 | raz0r1911 | at the haret version 0.3.6 screen i should press on Run? |
| 11:21.47 | eme | it should do whitout your interaction. so when you insert card you are done until linux popup |
| 11:22.03 | raz0r1911 | I see i see. |
| 11:38.19 | lkcl | you've put in the start.txt file etc. into the same subdirectory as haret.exe, yes? |
| 11:39.47 | eme | wiki for install is now vy clean. or I'm wrong? |
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| 13:23.39 | lkcl | heya folks. |
| 13:23.42 | lkcl | who's alive? |
| 13:27.57 | rob_w-cgi | me but long anymore |
| 14:03.38 | lkcl | heya guys - i'm gonna send the xda-iis back and get a universal. just for fun. |
| 14:07.10 | lkcl | i think the blueangel is well on its way: i wanna make my life more difficult, and i wanna 3G thing! |
| 14:38.01 | oxi | yay! you'll help me port it then? :) |
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| 16:50.31 | cp15 | re |
| 16:56.23 | oxi | re |
| 18:14.33 | lkcl | heya folks. yes, oxi, i'll help you with the porting. |
| 19:53.48 | immolo | you can't send your ba back yet |
| 19:54.13 | immolo | I haven't got anything to ring people on |
| 19:54.15 | immolo | :P |
| 19:57.38 | immolo | and cp15 why do we need an installation program? this is linux we all use termials :P |
| 19:58.53 | immolo | if links2 didn't suck so much I don't think I would even load X |
| 20:05.11 | immolo | hmm an installation program would be nice for when we flash the device |
| 20:59.22 | lkcl | sorry, dude. it's already in the post, winging its way back. when they've confirmed it arrives (they get a _lot_ of fraud) then i can order the universal |
| 21:59.56 | lkcl | teehee. |
| 22:03.08 | immolo | Some high caffine drinks too |
| 22:32.25 | cp15 | So, back again |
| 22:43.30 | cp15 | Anybody here? |
| 22:47.31 | pH5 | hi cp15. i'm just here to turn that computer off, though. |
| 22:47.53 | cp15 | Ok, wish you a good night |
| 22:48.06 | pH5 | bye |
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| 22:48.47 | lkcl | no, nobody here. |
| 22:50.15 | lkcl | cp15: i figured that the blueangel is ... close enough to working, so i returned it to O2, today. the attraction of being "on the edge" is too much - i prefer my linux distributions "raw" :) |
| 22:50.52 | lkcl | ... and, especially as my phone contract allows me not to have to pay anything for the universal, if i got it, i really can't turn down the opportunity. |
| 22:55.49 | cp15 | I find that quite disappointing. The project failed to bring out a working himalaya linux, it will fail to bring out a working blueangel linux, and it will also fail bringing out a working universal linux. Why? Just because the development cycle is too long. There are much better devices out long before the last one is useable. I now consider it a mistake helping porting linux to other devices. It only binds valuable resources |
| 23:03.13 | lkcl | the himalaya one was just... too much for me. i got so far - i just couldn't spend another two months of 12-hour-days with no money coming in. ... but seeing what you've achieved, i was delighted because it wasn't wasted effort. the ASIC3 chip has found its way into several other devices (the ipaqs). the ATI graphics chip now has a driver that looks _nothing_ like the hacked-together stuff i initially used (i did a pixel-by-pixel frame |
| 23:04.02 | lkcl | and gomunicator: that's the key. 18 months ago, that program didn't _exist_, and with not being able to find out how audio worked on the himalaya, there wasn't any _point_. |
| 23:05.38 | lkcl | i know it's a stack-lot of effort, but i believe that the effort is not all wasted. it takes _effort_ - and money - to redesign hardware, and the HTC will want to _cut_ development time, not increase it. so they are going to save time/money by reusing existing developments. |
| 23:06.28 | cp15 | No explanation necessary. I have drawn my conclusions and consider quitting the project. Too less help from everyone. Too much invest of time and money. |
| 23:06.34 | lkcl | you only have to look at the compaq ipaqs - there are _stacks_ of them, and they share chipsets. |
| 23:08.48 | lkcl | cp15: i know this is going to sound a little harsh (and remember, i've been there - i got... samba... i... it's a long _nasty_ story) but in free software projects, you _know_ that you're doing it because you can, because you're interested, not because it might make money, or because other people _might_ join in. |
| 23:08.59 | lkcl | you're a _specialist_. |
| 23:09.11 | lkcl | reverse-engineering is _very_ specialist. |
| 23:09.41 | lkcl | why do you think i was so delighted to find you working on this project! |
| 23:10.40 | lkcl | if i had £350, i would have bought the universal and kept the blueangel - but i simply don't have the money. |
| 23:11.26 | cp15 | Next year there will be a better device than the universal. What will you do then? |
| 23:11.30 | lkcl | ... however, i _do_ know of someone who has to have a mobile phone contract, and keep it, for a year (they are ... well... actually, they died - but because the phone contract is in a company name, the contract cannot be cancelled) |
| 23:11.48 | lkcl | next year? |
| 23:11.51 | lkcl | let me think about that... :) |
| 23:12.18 | lkcl | it depends. i usually keep my computing hardware for two years - usually because i wear it out. |
| 23:12.55 | Funklord | hey.. |
| 23:13.07 | lkcl | the himalaya's speaker went intermittent within 11 months, but i couldn't return it because i needed it (!) and also i was using it on bluetooth so i didn't notice or particularly mind |
| 23:13.15 | Funklord | I probably will keep my BAs for the coming 2 yrs or so |
| 23:13.31 | lkcl | my laptop (acer TM c100) i actually wore holes in the keys (seriously! i have long nails :) |
| 23:13.55 | lkcl | hey funklord - how many do you have? |
| 23:14.02 | Funklord | lkcl: two |
| 23:14.12 | lkcl | ... hmmm... you need them both? :) |
| 23:14.21 | lkcl | give you a dollar for one of them |
| 23:14.25 | Funklord | heh |
| 23:14.53 | lkcl | swap you one for a himalaya? |
| 23:16.05 | Funklord | lkcl: I have two subscriptions |
| 23:16.33 | lkcl | so - cp15: don't be too disappointed, i'm still going to be around, and still doing thingy-builds (blueangel builds) |
| 23:16.54 | lkcl | _why_, funklord, why? |
| 23:17.13 | Funklord | one is cheap calls, the other is cheap gprs |
| 23:17.17 | lkcl | ahh. |
| 23:17.54 | lkcl | so, to answer your question, cp15: if i get linux running on it, i'll keep it until it breaks down - quite literally. |
| 23:18.32 | cp15 | No you don't. Ok, good night for now. I probably won't come back soon, so I wish you all happy holidays |
| 23:18.47 | lkcl | the fact that the universal can do 3G is actually what made me think "i _got_ to get this". i'm sorry i didn't have much time left to make a decision: returning it i had one day left to decide. |
| 23:19.04 | Funklord | cp15: I'd be really sad to see you go |
| 23:19.14 | Funklord | wish I had more free time |
| 23:19.20 | lkcl | sleep on it, cp15: it's not that bad. |
| 23:20.04 | cp15 | Funklord: It is a fight against windmills. But thanks for your cooperation, your ftp space was a great help |
| 23:20.12 | Funklord | haven't been on vacation nor worked on any personal project for the last year |
| 23:20.29 | cp15 | So bye |
| 23:20.41 | *** part/#htc-blueangel cp15 (i=tkejci@p549A4246.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:20.47 | lkcl | FRAK. |
| 23:20.50 | Funklord | damn |
| 23:20.56 | lkcl | damn it. |
| 23:21.13 | Funklord | I can understand him though, he's done a lot of work |
| 23:21.16 | lkcl | *sigh*. |
| 23:21.16 | lkcl | okay. |
| 23:21.25 | lkcl | *thinks*. |
| 23:21.35 | lkcl | yeh. |
| 23:22.24 | lkcl | i only _had_ one for six days!! |
| 23:23.13 | lkcl | trouble is, with cp15 gone, i can't test out the "resume" stuff. |
| 23:23.18 | lkcl | for the LCD screen. |
| 23:23.19 | Funklord | lkcl: a BA? |
| 23:23.47 | lkcl | yes, a BA. i ordered it on the 7th, then found out about the universal. |
| 23:24.03 | lkcl | i had until the 21st (14 days) to return it. |
| 23:24.31 | lkcl | so that's... like... today, i had to make the decision. i phoned up O2 to find out how much it would cost. |
| 23:24.44 | lkcl | £350 - or return the BA and get it "free". |
| 23:24.47 | oxi | damn it :( |
| 23:25.01 | oxi | why is he leaving ... :( |
| 23:25.24 | lkcl | because he was disappointed, because he was the only one really working on the BA. |
| 23:25.48 | Funklord | yeah, he never did get much help |
| 23:25.59 | lkcl | it _is_ a lot of effort. i spent about four months of 10-12 hour days, 7 days a week, on the Himalaya. |
| 23:26.09 | lkcl | and it burned me out. |
| 23:26.48 | Funklord | before I got my second BA, I've been able to test linux on it, only during weekends |
| 23:26.50 | lkcl | then i get one, and he is really excited, because there's another person working on it, and then i decide to return it and get a universal - it was too much for him. |
| 23:27.08 | lkcl | reverse-engineering is a _lot_ of effort with no guarantee of success. |
| 23:27.20 | lkcl | it's also a very useful skill to learn, but that's another story :) |
| 23:27.29 | Funklord | yeah |
| 23:27.53 | lkcl | well - Funklord - tag, you're it :) |
| 23:28.11 | Funklord | heh |
| 23:28.34 | lkcl | would you be willing to run tests and kernels, if i build them? |
| 23:29.12 | lkcl | it'd be on a pretty slow cycle, anyway. |
| 23:29.23 | Funklord | sure, but I'm quite busy |
| 23:29.25 | lkcl | i need to write a gpio testing program |
| 23:29.32 | Funklord | I'd test them in the evening |
| 23:29.34 | lkcl | like i said, it'd be on a pretty slow cycle :) |
| 23:30.45 | lkcl | anyway. i'm going to go watch the rest of the tv program that i was planning to see (numb3rs) - hope you don't mind? |
| 23:31.01 | lkcl | there's a two-part series on, until 1am |
| 23:32.10 | lkcl | ttyl. |
| 23:33.11 | Funklord | phone rang.. |
| 23:33.25 | Funklord | ah ok, I'm probably going to bed |
| 23:33.41 | Funklord | been sleeping like 2h each night |
| 23:38.56 | Funklord | damnit.. this feels like deja vu, first our chairman at the board of directors quits... now cp15 |
| 23:40.58 | Funklord | somehow.. I feel guilty |
| 23:59.35 | lkcl | waah! nah :) |
| 23:59.49 | lkcl | everyone makes their own choices. |