| 00:00.16 | immolo | that work for you? |
| 00:04.39 | lkcl | ah. |
| 00:04.56 | lkcl | let's see... |
| 00:10.15 | lkcl | ok i got the names of the package dependencies wrong |
| 00:19.51 | iclem | good night everybody |
| 00:19.57 | lkcl | night iclem |
| 00:20.49 | lkcl | oh. immolo. you're on ntl cable? how the heck you get _that_ to work - i need to connect linux to NTL cable? |
| 00:28.29 | immolo | easy as pie |
| 00:28.55 | immolo | the very easy way is to set it up with windows first then reboot into linux |
| 00:29.38 | immolo | and I've heard you can use the osx install method which is using an ip address to register |
| 00:29.52 | immolo | check your manual it tells you the address |
| 00:33.19 | immolo | you ever heard of ntl giving static ips? |
| 00:39.59 | lkcl | oh - there's a manual? :) |
| 00:42.50 | immolo | yeah a crappy 5 page jobby in the box |
| 00:43.01 | immolo | it gives you an ip to connect to |
| 00:43.36 | immolo | I'm pretty sure it just loads that page now once you open a web browser in linux |
| 00:44.32 | lkcl | ok. ta! |
| 00:45.36 | immolo | no problem, ntl is so much better under linux anyway |
| 00:46.31 | immolo | just be careful when running some mail daemons as they freeze the modem sometimes |
| 00:47.24 | immolo | anyway I'm going to bed |
| 00:47.38 | immolo | got to visit the bank manager tomorrow |
| 01:27.08 | lkcl | ack dude. |
| 01:27.26 | lkcl | might as well run a complete rebuild overnight... |
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| 07:49.50 | rob_w-cgi | morning all |
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| 10:30.15 | lkcl | mornin |
| 10:46.08 | lkcl | anyone know why cp15 has pxa2xx_udc built-in to the kernel instead of as a module, because it's stopping g_ether from being loaded |
| 11:11.10 | lkcl | okay - it can't be built-in to the kernel, even though it's been asked for, because usb gadget is not built-in, so the option gets over-ridden to "module". |
| 11:11.57 | lkcl | therefore, removing pxa2xx_udc from the blueangel.conf means that the module doesn't get copied to the gpe-image. oops :) |
| 11:12.06 | lkcl | someone want to explain that to cp15 when he wakes up? |
| 11:34.11 | lkcl | hmmm... sound not working, despite modules being present... |
| 11:36.57 | rob_w-cgi | hmm what if we also built usb gadget into .. the h3900 people have that pxa2xx_udc inbuild |
| 11:37.21 | rob_w-cgi | is is the usb-gadget dependancy only a flaw in the kernel configs menu ?!? |
| 11:40.47 | lkcl | clueless. |
| 11:41.08 | lkcl | building modules into the kernel - esp. during development - generally makes me nervous. |
| 11:43.01 | rob_w-cgi | yeah , we still can stick to that but it would be interessting to see if that helps in general |
| 11:45.15 | lkcl | oh right. |
| 11:45.31 | lkcl | time, time.... gotta be off soon. |
| 11:46.00 | rob_w-cgi | i planned to do this soon but if you do it already then we know .. ok sure we will see who gets there first |
| 11:48.33 | lkcl | :) i'm off out until this evening. TAG, you're it :) |
| 11:49.02 | rob_w-cgi | ok |
| 11:49.04 | lkcl | btw - rob? that plan you had, for using these devices: i'd be interested to hear more, if you want to email me about it - lkcl@lkcl.net |
| 11:49.38 | rob_w-cgi | hmm sure ,, plans changed alot these days but i will see where i stand ! |
| 11:49.40 | lkcl | oh - and the gpe-image and the bitbake patch is at http://hands.com/~lkcl/blueangel if you wanna let cp15 know |
| 11:49.55 | rob_w-cgi | you know how to botmail ? |
| 11:50.03 | lkcl | botmail? burble? :) |
| 11:50.11 | rob_w-cgi | apt is our bot in here |
| 11:50.13 | lkcl | haven't got a clue :) |
| 11:50.19 | lkcl | ooo. *wobble*. |
| 11:50.28 | rob_w-cgi | if you go like ~botmail cp15 blabalbal |
| 11:50.50 | rob_w-cgi | he will get it next time he logs in |
| 11:50.58 | lkcl | ah, cool. |
| 11:51.01 | rob_w-cgi | ~hail linux |
| 11:51.02 | apt | ACTION bows down to linux and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 11:51.12 | rob_w-cgi | ~botsnack |
| 11:51.12 | apt | rob_w-cgi: :) |
| 11:51.20 | lkcl | ~hail burble |
| 11:51.21 | apt | ACTION bows down to burble and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 11:51.29 | lkcl | oooo :) |
| 11:51.43 | lkcl | ~botmail cp15 http://hands.com/~lkcl/blueangel |
| 11:51.53 | rob_w-cgi | ~lart lkcl for not knowing the existance of apt |
| 11:52.07 | lkcl | well _slap_ mahh thigh. |
| 11:52.20 | rob_w-cgi | lkcl did you get a confirmation text from apt ? |
| 11:52.32 | lkcl | yep |
| 11:52.37 | rob_w-cgi | ok great |
| 11:52.59 | lkcl | confirmation text - oh hang on: what's that? |
| 11:53.19 | lkcl | ~botsnack |
| 11:53.19 | apt | aw, gee, lkcl |
| 11:53.23 | rob_w-cgi | he should replay saying something like " ..sure i will cp15 let know |
| 11:53.31 | lkcl | no, it didn't |
| 11:53.39 | lkcl | ~botmail cp15 http://hands.com/~lkcl/blueangel |
| 11:53.42 | lkcl | ~botmail cp15 http://hands.com/lkcl/blueangel |
| 11:53.44 | rob_w-cgi | is your nick registered ? |
| 11:53.48 | lkcl | ah. |
| 11:53.51 | lkcl | yes... |
| 11:54.07 | rob_w-cgi | then try /msg apt botmail cp15 blabla |
| 11:54.16 | rob_w-cgi | or hmm |
| 11:54.36 | lkcl | what's the password registration command again? |
| 11:54.47 | lkcl | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.53 | lkcl | i can never remember it |
| 11:54.58 | rob_w-cgi | hmm /msg nickerserv register i hink |
| 11:55.14 | rob_w-cgi | oh that is /msg nickserv identify PASS |
| 11:55.29 | lkcl | yep - that's it. thanks |
| 11:55.33 | lkcl | ~botmail cp15 http://hands.com/~lkcl/blueangel |
| 11:55.51 | rob_w-cgi | ~botmail lkcl This is a test |
| 11:56.04 | rob_w-cgi | ~botmail for lkcl This is a test |
| 11:56.14 | rob_w-cgi | ok that was it !! |
| 11:56.19 | rob_w-cgi | us botmail for XX |
| 11:56.27 | lkcl | ~botmail for cp15 http://hands.com/lkcl/blueangel |
| 11:56.33 | lkcl | hurrah. |
| 11:56.34 | lkcl | thanks. |
| 11:56.39 | rob_w-cgi | welcome |
| 11:56.54 | lkcl | old dog. new tricks. |
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| 11:57.14 | rob_w-cgi | heheheheee |
| 11:57.27 | lkcl | oh and _now_ he turns up. |
| 11:57.29 | rob_w-cgi | if you speak of him .. pow |
| 11:57.42 | rob_w-cgi | still you learned alot , right ! |
| 11:57.44 | cp15_ | Good morning |
| 11:57.49 | lkcl | yep :) |
| 11:57.55 | rob_w-cgi | how are you deary ? |
| 11:58.25 | cp15_ | Me? I was in a very boring meeting... |
| 11:58.36 | lkcl | allo cp15 - i gotta run, but there's a thingy waiting for you. gpe-image. it's _almost_ there - sound is the only remaining thing, plus usb still has to be ifup usb0'd |
| 11:58.56 | rob_w-cgi | so then be glad to return to the interessting parts of live ! |
| 11:58.59 | lkcl | still it's something for you to play with. |
| 11:59.18 | lkcl | make it more interesting - eat beans the day before. |
| 11:59.24 | lkcl | looots of beans. |
| 12:00.17 | cp15_ | Hehe, I don't need beans |
| 12:00.53 | rob_w-cgi | hey i am currently waiting on job confirmations which will make be bitbaking all day .. embedded linux for mips based pcb`s .. and oe is perfect for that .. keep all your fingers crossed |
| 12:01.12 | lkcl | xxxxx oh. fingers. right. |
| 12:01.52 | cp15_ | Sound probably isn't working because there might be a module missing. The ifup usb0 shoudn't be necessary. Is usb0 in the auto list in interfaces? |
| 12:02.44 | rob_w-cgi | i had the missing pxa-i2c on my own builsd but your latest kernel and initrd worked nice .. |
| 12:03.25 | rob_w-cgi | still it seems gomunicator is ignoring recieve calls if there is no ring tone present .. ?!? |
| 12:04.01 | cp15_ | It doesn't ignore the call, you just get no ring |
| 12:04.13 | cp15_ | Maybe we should also fix the vibra (permission problem...) |
| 12:04.22 | rob_w-cgi | well , when i tried i immidiatly got the voice mail ? |
| 12:04.44 | cp15_ | Hmm.. That isn't probably related to the ringtone |
| 12:04.50 | rob_w-cgi | ah right i could vibrate .. there we go |
| 13:12.30 | rob_w-cgi | oh cp15_ pls become your realy nick as lkcl left a linkl as a botmail |
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| 13:25.50 | cp15 | Ok, ok, but I have taken a look already. |
| 13:25.59 | cp15 | Unfortunately I can't test it right now |
| 13:26.11 | cp15 | But probably late in the evening |
| 13:30.14 | rob_w-cgi | oh sorry .. |
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| 16:40.25 | oxi | hi |
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| 17:37.29 | oxi | does nano successfully crosscompile currently? |
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| 19:32.36 | rob_w | ok here we go again |
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| 21:03.11 | lkcl | hi am back. |
| 21:03.46 | lkcl | whass da pxa_i2c hmm, there's pxa_i2s.. |
| 21:09.43 | lkcl | hm snd_pxa_i2s is included... |
| 21:20.56 | lkcl | odd!! Checking sound |
| 21:20.58 | lkcl | gomunicator: /home/lkcl/oe2/tmp/work/sqlite-2.8.16-r1/sqlite-2.8.16/src/btree.c:702: sqliteBtreeOpen: Assertion `sizeof(ptr)==sizeof(char*)' failed |
| 21:21.04 | lkcl | burble?? |
| 21:23.46 | lkcl | hey, this is cool: ssh forwarding works - i can run gpe-edit, gpe-mini-browser etc. back to my laptop, over the ssh link! |
| 21:25.22 | immolo | cool :P |
| 21:26.07 | immolo | I could use my laptop to phone people :D |
| 21:27.05 | lkcl | yeahright |
| 21:27.26 | immolo | as long as handsfree is working now |
| 21:28.25 | immolo | as for sqlite are you using the oz354fam083 tree? |
| 21:28.35 | lkcl | absolutely clueless. |
| 21:28.45 | lkcl | god the sound recording quality is awful. |
| 21:29.04 | lkcl | OSS sound mixer was missing from the modules autoload list |
| 21:29.18 | lkcl | how do i make sure of that? |
| 21:29.25 | lkcl | the sqlite thing, that is. |
| 21:32.00 | immolo | are you using the directory org.openembedded.oz354fam083 |
| 21:32.06 | immolo | or .dev? |
| 21:32.15 | lkcl | nooooo, silleeee .dev of course :) |
| 21:33.15 | lkcl | don't tell me i need to use a different friggin monotone thingy... |
| 21:33.54 | immolo | you need to use a different monotone thing :P |
| 21:34.00 | immolo | it tells you when you start :P |
| 21:34.10 | lkcl | oh bollocks that takes forever to download. |
| 21:34.18 | lkcl | *sigh*. |
| 21:34.20 | immolo | only a few files in this one |
| 21:34.30 | lkcl | ah right. okay. whew. |
| 21:34.33 | immolo | it has the fixes to get gpe-2.7 working |
| 21:34.44 | immolo | anyway brb quick the kid is crying |
| 21:34.46 | lkcl | being not entirely familiar with monotone, would you mind telling me what i need to do? |
| 21:34.47 | lkcl | okay! |
| 21:34.51 | lkcl | i'll work it out... |
| 21:40.48 | lkcl | oh, bugger. suspend just killed it :) |
| 21:48.12 | lkcl | btw: if you got networked sound into gommunicator, then yes, you _could_ use your laptop to phone people :) |
| 21:49.18 | lkcl | monotone is _awful_. |
| 21:51.03 | immolo | the sound would start on the ba |
| 21:51.28 | immolo | so you could dial with the laptop and talk via handsfree |
| 21:51.37 | immolo | great for business use |
| 21:54.32 | immolo | monotone isn't that bad |
| 21:54.39 | immolo | did you ever use bitkeeper? |
| 22:01.20 | lkcl | allo. sorry. |
| 22:01.27 | lkcl | no. proprietary program. |
| 22:01.29 | lkcl | oh, bastard. |
| 22:01.44 | lkcl | they updated quilt.bb but failed to update it correctly to read from savannah. |
| 22:02.48 | lkcl | or... hmmm... maybe i haven't deleted enough cached stuff *sigh*... |
| 22:04.00 | immolo | heh |
| 22:04.14 | immolo | yeah before it went proprietary |
| 22:04.42 | lkcl | nah, never. svn. cvs. that's about it until now. |
| 22:05.06 | immolo | well it makes monotone look good :D |
| 22:05.08 | lkcl | started a new build running - worked out the oz354fam083 monotone thing. gotta go pay attention to wife. back later :) |
| 22:05.10 | lkcl | oops... :) |
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| 22:14.04 | cp15 | Good morning |
| 22:16.18 | immolo | heya |
| 22:22.42 | lkcl | moornin cp15 |
| 22:23.47 | cp15 | Hi lkcl |
| 22:25.51 | lkcl | immolo's been helping me get org.openembedded.oz354fam083 included. also i loaded snd-mixer-oss and sound hurrah starts working. |
| 22:28.09 | cp15 | USB also works after the second boot (not nice, but I think one can live with it) |
| 22:28.19 | cp15 | But the zblueangel_kp trick did not work |
| 22:29.52 | cp15 | blueangel_kp is not in /etc/modutils |
| 22:30.03 | cp15 | Don't know why... |
| 22:30.20 | cp15 | You should also add blueangel_suspend to the installed and autoloaded modules |
| 22:30.28 | cp15 | If you don't suspend will hang the device |
| 22:30.52 | lkcl | oops :) |
| 22:32.24 | lkcl | hm, does it have to be letters, or could numbers do instead? module_autoload_99blueangel_kp |
| 22:32.58 | cp15 | It has to come after himalaya when sorted alphabetically |
| 22:35.12 | lkcl | a watched bitbake handling takes friggin forever. |
| 22:36.07 | immolo | lkcl, makes gentoo seem fast :P |
| 22:37.13 | lkcl | http://shadowmite.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1108 |
| 22:37.18 | lkcl | :) |
| 22:37.55 | bhima | An unwatched build of any kind fails, early on, with an easy to fix problem. |
| 22:38.35 | immolo | hey bhima I got my hands on a N70 finally :P |
| 22:39.10 | bhima | immolo: oh? HOw is it? |
| 22:39.38 | cp15 | Yes, I have read it also... It was on several news services. They are happy about a commandline without a keyboard. Maybe we should write something about our success |
| 22:39.44 | immolo | not as well finished as the nokia 6680 but the software side is much better |
| 22:39.54 | lkcl | my eyes are gluuued to the screen... |
| 22:58.18 | lkcl | rebuild underway _again_ - glibc-2.3.5. i love ccache. |
| 23:02.59 | immolo | do you use pyscho or whatever it is called? |
| 23:09.07 | lkcl | no - am on a 64-bit system. psycho not available for amd64. |
| 23:09.52 | immolo | ah, same problem as me then but after a few builds it didn't seem that slow anymore |
| 23:10.01 | immolo | only when I added new files |
| 23:10.08 | lkcl | your brain slowed down, that's why. |
| 23:10.28 | immolo | maybe :P |
| 23:11.22 | lkcl | cp15 - i just read and understood what you said. _hell_ yeah, i told you that the first time i found the blueangel thingy!!! |
| 23:12.06 | lkcl | being able to make phone calls from a non-commercial linux distribution on _any_ hardware is a really big deal! |
| 23:12.54 | lkcl | apart from some weird (custom-built) hardware, the blueangel is, i believe, the first ever. |
| 23:14.08 | immolo | other then the linux moblie phones from china I've never seen one |
| 23:14.10 | lkcl | all the others are either: "GSM attachments" with absolutely shit talktime; custom-built, proprietary (usually montavista) linux; custom-built hardware (such as the skyminder); things with a free-software toolchain for building apps but not the entire OS |
| 23:14.21 | lkcl | precisely, immolo! |
| 23:14.39 | lkcl | i've been looking for about eighteen months, ever since i got the himalaya. |
| 23:15.23 | lkcl | release early, release often. shag the bug-count. |
| 23:16.06 | immolo | what happened to the linux moto "we'll realse it when it's ready"? |
| 23:16.21 | lkcl | never heard of it :) |
| 23:16.46 | lkcl | that's to shut people up who keep clammering for work to be done faster *crack* |
| 23:17.05 | immolo | it's why linux is suppose to be stable |
| 23:17.19 | immolo | but I think debian took it a little too far :P |
| 23:18.26 | immolo | have any of you built an selinux distro? |
| 23:21.36 | lkcl | yers, i did... |
| 23:22.06 | lkcl | when 2.6.7 was around, i did debian/selinux |
| 23:22.18 | lkcl | that's what debian/unstable and /testing is _for_ dude! |
| 23:24.11 | lkcl | two computers - and two keyboards: very confusing. laptop on table; AMD64 on keyboard tray... |
| 23:28.15 | immolo | I'm doing a gentoo/selinux right now |
| 23:28.22 | lkcl | oh dear :) |
| 23:28.39 | lkcl | yeh, that's a reasonable choice - for a bastion server |
| 23:28.53 | lkcl | i recommend you do the PAX stack smashing and GR security stuff as well, at the same time. |
| 23:29.03 | immolo | just looking into that |
| 23:29.28 | lkcl | i did that for a laptop - the selinux stuff is suitable only for a server, on gentoo, not for desktop use. |
| 23:30.10 | immolo | yeah, but I don't really worry about protecting my workstations just mainly my server |
| 23:30.39 | immolo | and I lock down nearly all access to the local network expect what is needed |
| 23:30.46 | lkcl | i'd say that gentoo/hardened was a good choice, then - a decent compromise from _not_ having to use freebsd, basically. |
| 23:31.48 | immolo | yeah, I've been running a normal gentoo install for about 2 years on my server so far |
| 23:32.00 | immolo | I think it's time for an upgrade :P |
| 23:32.08 | lkcl | oooo *wobble* :) |
| 23:32.14 | lkcl | careful, now :) |
| 23:32.30 | lkcl | you know how this works - or doesn't |
| 23:32.34 | immolo | hehe, one day I can beat the 3 year uptime record :P |
| 23:33.12 | lkcl | yeahright :) |
| 23:33.21 | immolo | hehe |
| 23:33.24 | lkcl | on to building the kernel, now... zzz |
| 23:34.04 | lkcl | i should really go lie down, maybe come back in an hour or so, see how it's getting on... |
| 23:36.45 | immolo | I used to build before I went to work |
| 23:37.10 | immolo | fixed some error over ssh in a break and see it finished when I got back :P |
| 23:38.45 | lkcl | :) |
| 23:38.56 | lkcl | i wanna faster machine. waaahh! |
| 23:39.05 | immolo | you got amd64 :P |
| 23:39.19 | lkcl | i used to have 8 AMD2000s all netbooted and use them for calculations and distcc :) |
| 23:39.35 | lkcl | it's the slowest AMD64 - processor only cost £75! |
| 23:39.42 | immolo | what speed |
| 23:39.49 | immolo | mine is only a 2.2ghz |
| 23:39.52 | lkcl | 1.8ghz - AMD 3000+ |
| 23:40.30 | lkcl | i'm a cheapskate :) |
| 23:41.16 | lkcl | each of the AMD2000s cost £125 each - 128mb SDRAM, no hard drive. unfortunately, they _all_ suffered from the same motherboard firmware fault, which i only found out about 2 years later. |
| 23:41.24 | immolo | doesn't matter a little gentoo some small optizaions and a some reiserfs with notail and you are away |
| 23:41.30 | immolo | oh and fluxbox |
| 23:41.55 | lkcl | reiserfs and notail? wossat, wossat? |
| 23:42.17 | immolo | makes the file system run fast at the cost of some wasted space |
| 23:42.23 | lkcl | oh, right. |
| 23:42.38 | immolo | worth the change |
| 23:43.21 | lkcl | lie-down time. am starting to feel sick (was up till 4am yesterday)... burble. |
| 23:43.34 | immolo | heh, I'm off too |
| 23:43.39 | immolo | see ya later |
| 23:43.40 | lkcl | later, immolo. thanks for keepin me company. |
| 23:43.53 | immolo | no problem |
| 23:55.07 | cp15 | I will go to bed now |
| 23:55.09 | cp15 | Good night |