| 00:00.04 | cp15 | Mailing list? There isn't one, I think... well, xanadux@lists.sourceforge.net maybe |
| 00:00.19 | collin_work | no hh.org port list? |
| 00:00.28 | cp15 | Actually xanadux-general@lists.sourceforge.net |
| 00:00.36 | cp15 | Don't think so. Do you think we need one? |
| 00:00.53 | collin_work | I don't know ... I'm not on your port-team :) |
| 00:01.04 | leOn | cp15: specific mlists are always nice |
| 00:01.04 | cp15 | leOn: The DOC works actually similar to an integrated SD card |
| 00:01.04 | leOn | =) |
| 00:01.53 | leOn | cp15: does the regular windows reside in that DOC? or is that DOC the place where the original system stores its data? |
| 00:02.40 | cp15 | It is a bit more complicated. Windows actually resides on PXA Flash |
| 00:03.08 | leOn | any chance on putting linux into that ? |
| 00:03.35 | leOn | at least the base system ... extra apps could go into that DOC place... |
| 00:03.39 | cp15 | The DOC is split into two partitions: The first one contains additional packages which are installed into ram for additional applications and customizations. The second partition is free for the user |
| 00:04.26 | cp15 | I am thinking about a union mount: PXA flash contains the base system, DOC additional apps, customization and user data |
| 00:04.44 | leOn | sounds about right to me =) |
| 00:05.11 | cp15 | All writes will go to DOC only, so there will be no wear-off of the pxa flash and you always have a chance of getting a clean system by reformatting DOC |
| 00:05.17 | leOn | so you think it'll be possible to write the base system into where evil lives ... |
| 00:05.20 | leOn | =) |
| 00:06.15 | cp15 | Using the PXA flash for this should be pretty simple, but right now we still need haret for booting |
| 00:07.57 | leOn | from what i know from talking to people and reading in articles, many linux ports for embbeded devices fail because they don't get to replace the base system, making people have to use bootloaders or similar tricks to boot linux... not only it's feels like a patch but also cuts down the device functionality regarding available memory |
| 00:09.37 | leOn | i really don't know much (say almost nothing) regarding low level stuff, but i'd be glad to make available ported apps from my own system |
| 00:09.45 | cp15 | Should be not that problem on the BA. The HTC Bootloader is quite nice, I even managed to get suspend working (at least the part regarding the bootloader works) |
| 00:10.26 | leOn | have done some playing with cross compilation for other projects |
| 00:10.39 | leOn | some actually worked |
| 00:10.41 | leOn | =P |
| 00:11.13 | cp15 | Ok, the lowlevel stuff is relatively stable now, but the apps would need some polishment |
| 00:12.09 | cp15 | The gpe image was created with openembedded (ok, and some additional handwork I have to confess) |
| 00:12.28 | leOn | make me a promess that you will get the thing working on the PXA Flash, along with support for all the hardware and i'll get myself a QTEK and start playing |
| 00:12.31 | leOn | =) |
| 00:13.48 | cp15 | Sorry, can't promise anything... But the chances PXA flash will be used soon are very high |
| 00:14.26 | cp15 | colin: Do you know how to create a hh.org mailing list? |
| 00:14.37 | leOn | cp15: that's all i needed to "hear" |
| 00:14.39 | leOn | ;) |
| 00:16.25 | cp15 | Which part of portugal are you from? |
| 00:17.15 | leOn | right now i'm in lisbon |
| 00:17.27 | leOn | live here for some years now |
| 00:17.38 | leOn | but originaly from the north, Aveiro |
| 00:17.40 | cp15 | I once had a job in portugal, but I know only lisbon and pamela |
| 00:17.48 | leOn | palmela |
| 00:17.50 | leOn | =) |
| 00:18.05 | leOn | pamela is nice too ... nice "airbags" |
| 00:18.07 | leOn | ;) |
| 00:18.17 | cp15 | Oh... Yes |
| 00:18.36 | leOn | say ... from the QTEK family ... only 9090 is supported? |
| 00:19.08 | leOn | i saw somewhere that S100 is the same as VPA Compact |
| 00:20.37 | cp15 | Well, the 9090 will definetly work best 2020 takes some more work to get it at the same level, 1010 will be even harder, all the rest does not work at all right now |
| 00:20.45 | leOn | hmmm ... many QTEK 2020 on sale on a portuguese auction site |
| 00:21.00 | leOn | k .. i'll aim for the 9090 |
| 00:21.10 | leOn | also is the only one with keyboard, right ? |
| 00:21.12 | cp15 | How much is a 2020? |
| 00:21.27 | leOn | lemme see |
| 00:21.53 | leOn | i'd say around ¤350 |
| 00:22.24 | leOn | it's possible that you get a better deal over there |
| 00:22.28 | cp15 | Wizard (don't know if it is also resold by qtek) also has a keyboard, but no linux right now |
| 00:22.44 | cp15 | I auctioned two BAs for about 300 Euro last weekend |
| 00:22.52 | leOn | tech stuff in portugal is still a bit expensive comparing to other EU coutries |
| 00:23.28 | cp15 | How does that come? |
| 00:24.21 | leOn | portugal still has some problems understanding that the more the intermediates, the more expensive a product gets |
| 00:25.12 | leOn | so, many times you have official distributers -> area distributers -> resellers -> client |
| 00:25.32 | leOn | each wants it's own piece of the cake |
| 00:25.38 | cp15 | :-) A Himalaya on german ebay is between 200 and 250 euro |
| 00:25.43 | leOn | =P |
| 00:25.53 | leOn | tell me something |
| 00:26.18 | leOn | do you think you could get me a QTEK9090 or equivalent with a nice price |
| 00:26.24 | leOn | new or as-new ? |
| 00:26.54 | cp15 | Hmm... Let me check |
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| 00:27.57 | cp15 | There is one flashed to dead at 120 euro |
| 00:28.23 | cp15 | I am nearly sure it can be reflashed |
| 00:28.41 | _cronos_ | hie all |
| 00:28.49 | _cronos_ | i have a pb for change :0 |
| 00:29.11 | cp15 | But it still runs 19 hours, and I have seen a MDAIII with a broken display for 200 Euro and OK ones for 260 Euro |
| 00:29.15 | cp15 | So I will see |
| 00:29.31 | _cronos_ | i have this msg : portmap start stop daemon nothing in /proc |
| 00:29.36 | cp15 | cronos: Yes? Hope it is a short one, I want to go to bed soon |
| 00:29.39 | leOn | just saw a new 9090 + 256 sd card for 450¤ |
| 00:29.54 | leOn | way too expensive |
| 00:29.57 | leOn | =/ |
| 00:30.18 | _cronos_ | ok |
| 00:30.18 | _cronos_ | np |
| 00:30.28 | cp15 | A good price for a new device, but a used one is normally ok for development |
| 00:30.28 | _cronos_ | i go to see in the log |
| 00:30.48 | cp15 | cronos: Have you added the boot_mmc=y parameter to startup.txt? |
| 00:31.55 | _cronos_ | yep |
| 00:31.59 | leOn | cp15: looking at some possibilities in ebay.co.uk |
| 00:32.01 | _cronos_ | it s just after that |
| 00:32.31 | leOn | several auctions running ... bidding goes around 150£ now |
| 00:34.09 | cp15 | cronos: Can you tell me the first few lines after "Executing /linuxrc" |
| 00:34.40 | _cronos_ | arf |
| 00:34.45 | _cronos_ | tomorow |
| 00:34.49 | _cronos_ | i will go to bed |
| 00:34.53 | _cronos_ | but thank u |
| 00:34.57 | _cronos_ | and good night |
| 00:34.57 | cp15 | Ok, good night |
| 00:35.12 | leOn | cp15: get to rest |
| 00:35.45 | leOn | you're gonna need all your strenght to put that thing running from PXA ... ;) |
| 00:36.12 | leOn | cp15: i'll be around to nag you some more.. |
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| 00:36.36 | cp15 | leOn: I will bid for the defective BA tomorrow. If it can be fixed, I then I think I will make you a good offer, if not, I will keep it for spare parts |
| 00:36.59 | leOn | thanks! =) |
| 00:37.04 | leOn | ok ... i'll be in touch |
| 00:37.11 | leOn | thanks for your time |
| 00:37.49 | leOn | cp15: got the addy? |
| 00:38.15 | cp15 | Yes |
| 00:38.19 | cp15 | But for now good night |
| 00:38.39 | leOn | g'nite =) |
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| 10:48.57 | cp15 | Good morning |
| 10:49.10 | etienne | hello |
| 10:49.20 | cp15 | Hi etienne |
| 10:52.11 | cp15 | Did you encounter any problems with linux on your BA? |
| 10:52.55 | etienne | hoo |
| 10:53.20 | etienne | i have to much work at this time |
| 10:53.29 | etienne | i can't breath ;) |
| 10:53.40 | cp15 | Ok :-) |
| 10:53.44 | cp15 | What are you working? |
| 10:53.55 | etienne | what ? |
| 10:54.06 | etienne | ho |
| 10:54.25 | cp15 | Yes, what is your job? |
| 10:54.25 | etienne | i 'm working as project manager in an french it system |
| 10:54.41 | etienne | on sms mms telephony web etc etc |
| 10:54.48 | etienne | many hosting |
| 10:54.55 | etienne | and tv sms games |
| 10:55.08 | etienne | some minitel too |
| 10:55.36 | cp15 | What is minitel? |
| 10:55.53 | etienne | a french thing |
| 10:56.06 | etienne | look like an old vt |
| 10:56.17 | etienne | small box which has 20 25 years |
| 10:56.42 | etienne | http://pficheux.free.fr/xtel/images/minitel.jpg |
| 10:56.50 | etienne | 80 columns |
| 10:56.58 | etienne | you have many many services in france |
| 10:57.12 | etienne | with this |
| 10:57.24 | etienne | s/have/had/ ;) |
| 10:57.35 | cp15 | Ah, seems quite similar to the german BTX. But it has been disconnected long ago |
| 10:58.08 | etienne | we still make money with it |
| 10:58.15 | etienne | no more developements |
| 10:58.18 | etienne | but hosting |
| 10:58.30 | etienne | and you what are doing in real life ? |
| 10:58.35 | etienne | +you |
| 10:59.15 | cp15 | I own a little company which offers IT consulting and service |
| 11:00.38 | etienne | ho |
| 11:00.46 | etienne | wich sort of services ? |
| 11:01.10 | etienne | not websphere consulting ? ;) |
| 11:01.20 | etienne | (i'm fioghting with ws as at this time)... |
| 11:02.48 | cp15 | Mainly unix/linux installation and maintenance, a little bit of DB2 and other applications |
| 11:02.57 | cp15 | I don't like websphere |
| 11:03.08 | etienne | so do i |
| 11:03.32 | etienne | got a big project with db2 and ws ... |
| 11:03.35 | etienne | ... |
| 11:03.49 | cp15 | But one of my customers use it as a gateway to an ibm z series |
| 11:04.07 | etienne | i don't like z series |
| 11:04.08 | cp15 | db2 is nice, actually I find it much cleaner than oracle |
| 11:04.20 | etienne | some remains of my work in university |
| 11:04.30 | etienne | yeah got a training on db2 |
| 11:04.34 | etienne | 8.2 look nice |
| 11:04.43 | etienne | but we have to work with 8.1 .. |
| 11:06.15 | cp15 | Should be also ok... But if I remember correctly I had some problems with a dying db2 processes, leaving the database unusable until you restart it. |
| 11:06.59 | etienne | you know we have to deploy db2/ws platform |
| 11:07.15 | etienne | for 300 mo of DB and perhaps 1000 hits/day |
| 11:07.23 | etienne | of basic select/update |
| 11:07.44 | etienne | some customers have **really** too much money |
| 11:08.28 | cp15 | Probably IBM convinced them that they have the best products |
| 11:08.38 | cp15 | On which platform does it run? |
| 11:08.42 | etienne | linux |
| 11:08.46 | etienne | rh as4 |
| 11:09.02 | etienne | it's an "old school" society |
| 11:09.17 | cp15 | At least not windows |
| 11:09.24 | etienne | they don't want to hear about apache jonas/tomcat and mysql |
| 11:09.37 | etienne | yep i have the choice between rh/solaris 2.7/ windows 2000 |
| 11:09.42 | etienne | .... |
| 11:09.49 | etienne | wunderbach ;) |
| 11:11.41 | cp15 | Pretty old stuff |
| 11:11.59 | etienne | yep |
| 11:12.07 | etienne | the wonderfull solaris 2.7 |
| 11:12.12 | etienne | i hate it |
| 11:12.16 | etienne | like his cousin 2.6 |
| 11:12.28 | cp15 | But this gives additional business when a upgrade is needed ;-) |
| 11:12.37 | etienne | yep |
| 11:14.32 | cp15 | I always wondered why solaris is so wide-spread. Without additional software and tools, it is a very poor unix |
| 11:19.05 | etienne | old unix |
| 11:19.28 | etienne | and less cost against hpux or aix 10 or 15 years ago |
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| 15:33.38 | Funklord | I was using solaris before linux |
| 15:33.58 | Funklord | I think it was because suns hardware always was good |
| 15:34.38 | bhima|airplane | I'm on an airplane right now. I'm showing off. :) |
| 15:35.11 | etienne | haha |
| 15:36.41 | Funklord | cool |
| 15:38.14 | cp15 | Do you get a real IP in the plane or is it just a NATed one? |
| 15:38.42 | bhima|airplane | NAT :( |
| 15:39.01 | cp15 | Wireless LAN? |
| 15:39.57 | bhima|airplane | yup. |
| 15:40.25 | etienne | i saaw there are some company who offer wifi in plane |
| 15:40.35 | cp15 | How much does it cost? |
| 15:40.45 | cp15 | And how is the round trip time? |
| 15:40.48 | bhima|airplane | $30 |
| 15:40.55 | etienne | it's on business class isn't it ? |
| 15:41.00 | cp15 | For the whole flight? |
| 15:41.12 | bhima|airplane | wifi. everywhere. whole flight. |
| 15:41.17 | geers | you can ever use sip telephony, we tested this: http://www.phonzo.com |
| 15:41.26 | bhima|airplane | 700ms ping times. |
| 15:41.33 | etienne | ouch |
| 15:41.33 | geers | s/ever/even/ |
| 15:41.46 | bhima|airplane | Yes, I will have to do some IP telephony :) |
| 15:42.10 | cp15 | Not really good enough for VOIP. Well, you could do simplex, better than nothing |
| 15:42.11 | geers | hmm, you would suffer from severe delays with this ping time |
| 15:42.40 | bhima|airplane | It beats $7/minute. |
| 15:43.07 | geers | right, and with a blueangel in your pocket... |
| 15:43.19 | bhima|airplane | blueangel stayed behind :( |
| 15:43.24 | bhima|airplane | co-worker will be using it. |
| 15:43.42 | bhima|airplane | Only got an h6315 with me, and an h5555, and a Dell Axim x51v, and a Nokia 770. |
| 15:44.18 | geers | whaow, someone is doing serious buying:) |
| 15:44.49 | geers | is there a sip client for N770? |
| 15:45.16 | geers | guess kphone is possible to port |
| 15:45.42 | bhima|airplane | I think I may get a Nokia N90 too. :) |
| 15:46.02 | geers | are they for sale now? |
| 15:46.19 | etienne | don't know which phone i would order... |
| 15:46.28 | etienne | do you know any exciting phone ? |
| 15:47.06 | bhima|airplane | Hmm. Exciting. Godo question. |
| 15:47.16 | geers | there is allways a more exciting phone just around the corner...;) |
| 15:47.23 | etienne | yep |
| 15:47.30 | etienne | i have d500 |
| 15:47.37 | etienne | and m2000 |
| 15:47.56 | etienne | i'd like a 3g phone |
| 15:48.10 | etienne | but didn't found one which seems real funny |
| 15:49.56 | geers | me neither, so I just bought the Z800i with 1G flash |
| 15:50.08 | cp15 | HTC Universal would be interesting, but it has some deficits |
| 15:50.43 | bhima|airplane | I want a series 60 phone. |
| 15:50.48 | bhima|airplane | I want series60, though. |
| 15:50.50 | geers | so has my Z800i I still need to bring it to a upgrade station |
| 15:51.05 | bhima|airplane | erm. |
| 15:51.05 | bhima|airplane | Lag. |
| 15:51.05 | bhima|airplane | That was a lot of lag. |
| 15:51.09 | bhima|airplane | I forgot I had said something. :) |
| 15:51.14 | geers | :9 |
| 15:52.21 | geers | cya soon, got to run... |
| 16:01.44 | oho | Hello everyone |
| 16:02.14 | cp15 | Hi oho |
| 16:04.52 | oho | I am just trying to understand the code of gomunicator and gomunicator itself, but when I start it I get the error msg: can't attach default card mixer startSound(/usr/share/gomunicator/R&C_them e.raw) - I just checked and it doesn't exist, do I have to set a symlink to the sound ? |
| 16:08.38 | cp15 | Ok, for the "can't attach default card mixer" check whether /dev/mixer is a symlink to /dev/sound/mixer and /dev/sound/mixer is read/writable for your user |
| 16:09.20 | cp15 | Also check if /dev/snd/controlC0 is read/writable for your user |
| 16:10.10 | cp15 | The ringtone has to be in a file named /usr/share/gomunicator/R&C_theme.raw and of the format S16_LE, 2 channels, 16000 Hz sample rate |
| 16:10.39 | cp15 | By default it doesn't exist... Maybe we should look for a solution for this |
| 16:11.22 | oho | I am just checking all the above and will think of an installation solution, one way could be to include the ringtone and the symlinks in the ipkg |
| 16:12.07 | cp15 | The symlinks are not reboot-resistant. We have to set them up each boot |
| 16:13.03 | oho | true - I wrote a script for mine, but couldn't we do this using a gomunicator file in init.d/ ? |
| 16:13.17 | cp15 | I will create a new image soon |
| 16:13.35 | oho | ok |
| 16:15.14 | oho | hmm I don't have any sound device, I think this is due to the alsa which was missing in the image and where you gave me an ipkg |
| 16:15.58 | oho | In the mean time I will keep studying the code.... |
| 16:18.54 | cp15 | Do you want to test the new image? |
| 16:20.37 | cp15 | Hmm... I think there got something wrong when packing gomunicator |
| 16:22.32 | oho | I am happy to test the new image, as I am not using the BA as my phone yet |
| 16:29.30 | cp15 | Ok, http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/gpe-ba.tar.bz |
| 16:29.50 | cp15 | Now with gomunicator included |
| 16:31.50 | oho | thank's I will give it a go right away |
| 18:16.32 | oho | cp15: I just loaded the image, but I encounter the same problem as before: the crosshairs calibration doesn't work. The last time when this happened the kernel was not compatible with the image. I am using the kernel and initrd from 18-Nov- any ideas ? |
| 18:19.49 | cp15 | Hmm... No, if you got them from the same location, they should be ok |
| 18:20.49 | oho | the initrd and kernel are from http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/linux/ and the image is from http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd --- the new one you asked me to test |
| 18:26.11 | cp15 | Hmm... Remove /etc/rcS.d/S03bootsplash, boot again and look for any strange messages |
| 18:27.11 | oho | ok - will do |
| 18:43.58 | oho | it says some think like: can't find device SIOCSIFMET..... goes pretty quickly |
| 18:52.22 | cp15 | Anything about module loading problems? |
| 18:52.51 | oho | hmmm... I will look again, but it goes pretty quickly and it doesn't seem to write a log |
| 18:53.03 | cp15 | First, change something |
| 18:54.23 | cp15 | remove /etc/rc5.d/S99gpe-dm so no (useless) gpm will be started |
| 18:55.53 | cp15 | Then add "c0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 115200 tty0 vt100" to /etc/inittab |
| 18:56.07 | cp15 | If at least blueangel_kp will work, you can login then |
| 19:02.40 | oho | now it stops after : Starting at daemon: atd ser_stuart_gpio_config 1 |
| 19:08.21 | cp15 | No login? |
| 19:09.15 | oho | no - I can't get a connection |
| 19:10.47 | oho | but wait, that might be due to another problem with my hardware.... I am just checking |
| 19:15.37 | oho | I thought me use networking is not up, but it is working fine with another device - so no login on the BA |
| 20:20.18 | oho | I am off now - good night ! see you all tomorrow |
| 20:35.58 | cp15 | Good night... I will test the image myself when I get my development BA |
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