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09:06.36etiennehi
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11:56.45*** topic/#htc-blueangel is HTC BlueAngel is still under development ! Feel free to ask and check also -> http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelResearch | channel chat logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23htc-blueangel/
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12:31.29bweghmoint
12:31.31bweghhi
12:31.49bweghbtw: the username to upload data to ftp.xda-developers.com is xdaupload (passwd: xda)
12:32.15bweghetienne: is your linux running?
12:33.47etienneyep
12:33.58etiennenot gominator
12:34.59cp15Does the xdaupload user work on all directories or only on Upload one?
12:35.36etiennei think only on the upload one
12:37.12cp15Maybe we could use ftp.xda-developers.com to distribute current versions of zImage, initrd and gpe image
12:38.08cp15bwegh: How well does your gomunicator work?
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13:01.56rob_w-cgihey all ,,
13:02.09rob_w-cgiscrew this day ,, it is already enough for me !
13:02.20etiennelooks like my battery is empied in few hours ...
13:02.44etienneemptied
13:05.28cp15etienne: Yes, power management is currently a bit problematic. I am working on it
13:06.02cp15Try to dim the light, it accounts for much of the used current
13:06.38cp15Full light vs. dimmed light: 260 vs 138 mA
13:06.48cp15No light: 126 mA
13:10.58rob_w-cgigreat ,, i love such numbers
13:22.22etienneis anybody has a  gomunicator working ?
13:28.11cp15Yes, me :-)
13:28.33cp15And bwegh maybe... I hope he can help you in installing it
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14:49.26magnet_hello.
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15:30.08ohoHello all
15:32.05ohoI am just trying the image I have been given by cp15 yesterday. It takes me directly to the crosshairs calibration screen, but it doesn't recognize my touches. The same thing happened to the image I took from the wiki. Also the usb doesn't work. Any ideas ?
15:35.51cp15_oho: Yes, maybe the modules are incompatible to the kernel and initrd
15:36.19cp15_I will send you a new kernel and initrd when at home (about one hour)
15:36.38ohothank you
16:00.23cp15_bbl
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16:35.46cp15oho: Are you here?
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16:51.30cp15immolo: Do you have the gomunicator ipkg ready?
16:51.55immoloI have one but I haven't been able to test it
16:52.11cp15No problem, can you send it to me?
16:52.25immolosure, you want alsa ipkg as well
16:52.35cp15Yes
16:52.50immolook please send your email in a query
16:53.18immologreat
16:53.37cp15How are you? How is your kid?
16:53.40immolooh did you notice the ba distro being much faster then the old gpe image?
16:53.48cp15Yes
16:54.01cp15How does it come?
16:54.12immoloI'm as ok as I can be and Sophie is coming out of the worse
16:54.28immoloI optimized it slightly
16:54.29ohohi cp15
16:55.08ohohi immolo
16:56.13immolonothing big yet, just using gcc3.4.4 and some sane cflags and ldflags, but I hope when I learn some more of oe, I can cut some more cruft and make it use nptl etc
16:56.19immolohey oho
16:58.11cp15oho: The zImage and initrd is at ftp://xda:xda@xda-developers.com/Uploads/Blueangel/linux
16:58.33ohoi am just being draged out off my office for a coffee, I am back in a few minutes to test the new image - thank you cp15
16:59.05cp15We urgently need some ftp space... Does anybody know where to get it?
16:59.20immoloask Funklord very very nicely
17:00.01etienneimmolo:
17:00.21etiennedo you have a package for an gomunicator working ?
17:00.38Funklordimmolo: you need ftp storage?
17:01.33immoloFunklord-  we all do I beleive, I would like some where to upload my oe work and some builds of gpe-image-blueangel
17:01.49FunklordI can set it up once I get home
17:01.49cp15Funklord: A place where we could offer the newest kernel, initrd, gpe-image and some ipkgs would be nice
17:02.38immoloFunklord-  thank you very much, I would offer space myself my my crappy upload would die
17:02.39cp15xda-developers and the wikis both have a problem: You can't delete outdated versions
17:02.43Funklordjust give me the details about what you need
17:02.58Funklordanonymous download?
17:03.22immoloyeah, I would recommand access only for devs for upload
17:05.23immolocheck your e-mail cp15
17:06.12immoloI would be greatful if you could test them for me as I still need to keep my ba ce till I'm 100% it fully works
17:08.07immoloetienne-  sorry didn't see your message, I do have a working copy but a know to be working one is on the handhelds.org site
17:08.21cp15I am thinking about buying a second device. Linux works for me, but I need also a working phone and this slows down development
17:09.14cp15immolo: I think I need a libasound ipkg also
17:09.38immolothat's my problem, I was thinking of getting a nokia phone as symbian is fun
17:09.52bhimaSymbian is fun?
17:10.25immoloyeah
17:10.42bhimaNot to program for. IMHO. :)
17:11.17immololol, unless it uses BASIC I don't program :P
17:11.45immolocp15-  you should have it now
17:12.06bhimaI suppose BASIC is, technically speaking, programming. but, *eww* :)
17:12.22cp15immolo: Thanks
17:12.27immoloAnd whats wrong with BASIC
17:13.01immolodont make me break my 20 goto 10 loop
17:13.11FunklordBASIC was cool until VB came along =P
17:13.25bhimaBASIC was cool 20 years ago.
17:13.29Funklordmode 13h
17:14.23Funklordremember how insanely hard it was to do 3d translation at a good framerate?
17:15.27FunklordI was just looking at prices of another BA, still high
17:15.51FunklordI bought mine for about 350eur
17:16.09Funklord(pre-owned)
17:18.04immoloVB was classed as cool?
17:19.10Funklordno, never ;P
17:20.02immolo£41 for a BA :O
17:20.10immoloI wish I had 41 pounds
17:20.22FunklordI do!
17:20.28Funklordwhere?
17:20.40Funklordis it b0rked?
17:20.46bhimaWith contract?
17:21.40immoloebay.co.uk
17:21.50immolonothing wrong with it just no bids :P
17:22.04immoloeveryone is after the XDA Exec
17:22.12cp15How long does the auction run?
17:22.23Funklordhmm.. I've never tried e-bay
17:22.42Funklordprobably should get one from there
17:23.03immoloit just finished
17:23.13cp15Aaargh
17:23.21Funklordand.. there's no sim-lock that can't be fixed right?
17:23.31Funklordon BA
17:23.51immolohttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/new-XDA-IIs-Original-box-accessories-without-phone_W0QQitemZ6451412360QQcategoryZ32242QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
17:23.54immolo4 mins cp15
17:24.12cp15Ah... A reserve auction
17:24.12FunklordI had to sell my palm tungsten w because nobody figured out the sim-lock
17:25.01immoloif you want it send it to my house and I'll pass it on to you
17:26.16cp15immolo: How about a deal: I will try to get it, let it send to you to get your gpe image so far that you can use it and then send it to me?
17:26.30immolosounds good
17:26.56cp15No: You are bidding on a Brand New O2 XDA IIs original box + accessories (without phone)
17:27.27immolohaha, never saw that
17:27.56cp15I guess 50 pounds is a bit expensive for the box
17:27.57immolodamn good idea, I'm going to sell my BA box
17:31.01cp15Well, seems I have to look again to get a devel BA
17:31.51immoloI've found another £50 ba but with a phone this time :P
17:32.16immolobut no image of the actual product
17:41.20ohoit is working now :-) with the stuff form the ftp server
17:41.38cp15Good :-)
17:41.49ohoi got mine from ebay.co.uk for just under 200 Pounds = just under 300 euros
17:42.11ohohas anyone got a gocomunicator ipkg for me  ?
17:42.35cp15Please wait, I  have to detach it from immolos mail
17:42.55ohook - thanks
17:44.05cp15etienne: I guess you want it also?
17:44.06ohoimmolos: have you build it with OE ? if so could you please give me your config file
17:44.17ohocp15: thank you
17:44.27cp15It is already in the oe repository
17:44.45cp15It has just a little bug: You need to build alsa-lib before building gomunicator
17:45.22ohocp15: have you also got a ready build alsa ipkg ? that would be great :-)
17:45.38cp15Ok, just a moment
17:45.47ohowhich machine tye are you building packages for the BA ?
17:48.13cp15Hmm... You probably need another ipkg... I am trying to find out which
17:49.48cp15alsa-conf
17:50.11ohothanks
17:56.16immolothe machine.config in oe works fine for making packages but if you want to build kernels you need my updated version
17:57.28ohoimmolo: that would be nice, I have only made kernels manually so far and that's quite a lot of pain
17:57.42immolothis makes it so much easier
17:57.52immolodo you have an e-mail address
17:58.30ohoplease send it to my spam one: can_man@gmx.de   ---  thank you
17:58.43etienneetienne.roulland@cvf.fr
17:59.35immoloyou guys should really query those :P
17:59.53immolobut a spam one doesn't matter too much
18:00.15immoloanyone else want the updated blueangel.conf?
18:00.53cp15immolo: Maybe you should put it on Funklords ftp space
18:01.20immoloI will be once we have it setup
18:01.32immolobut I will have it sent to the oe tree soon
18:01.53immoloI would just like it alittle more tested so we don't have a broken one uploaded
18:02.18etienneok
18:02.37ohoI have just pulled an update from the oe server. I will try to make the package myself...
18:02.40etiennethanks
18:03.22immolook the updated version is in your inbox
18:03.34ohothank you
18:03.35immolothe xanadux kernel works fine in the dev tree
18:04.12ohothe gomunicator does not start, it throws an error:
18:05.25cp15What error?
18:05.45ohoI am still typing ;-)
18:05.59cp15Ok
18:06.56ohohome/immolo/oe/.../sqlite-2.8.16/src/btree.c:702:sqliteBtreeOpen: Assertion 'sizeof(ptr)==sizeof(char*)' failed
18:07.32cp15Huh...
18:08.08cp15How could this happen
18:08.24immoloI'm heading back down to the hositpal
18:08.37bweghcp15: been away, i am unable to test gomunicator - BA is on travel ;)
18:08.37ohoimmolo: see you
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18:09.21immolooho you running the old gpe-image which is on the wiki?
18:09.28immoloif you are try a newer image
18:09.42ohoI am trying the one cp15 send me a few minutes ago
18:09.49immoloshould work then
18:09.56ohogomunicator_0.0cvs20051105-r2_armv5te.ipk
18:09.58cp15It is immolos image with a few corrections
18:10.21cp15I don't think the sqlite error is relatet to gomunicator
18:10.36ohodo I need to start gomunicator with any options ?
18:10.56cp15No, but maybe you need a link
18:11.35ohowhat do you mean by link in this case ?
18:13.07cp15In this case sqlite is buggy
18:13.47ohodo you think it will help to build a new ipkg for sqlite ?
18:14.44cp15I try it and send it to you
18:15.04cp15Hope it does match to the rest of your system
18:15.32ohoI have just downloaded the latest OE image and try it myself as well
18:17.43ohoaahhhh my latest gentoo update has killed some of my monotone :-(
18:20.36_cronos_hie all
18:20.46ohohi cronos
18:22.05ohothank you cp15
18:22.31cp15Hope it works, the assert is not in the code, but there may be some compatibility problems
18:23.21ohoi will just give it a go
18:35.57ohocp15 - that solved the problem :-)
18:38.44cp15And now it works?
18:38.54ohoyes
18:39.11ohobest to put that up onto the ftp server as well
18:39.16cp15Cool
18:39.36ohovery cool :-)
18:40.01cp15Well, don't expect too much, gomunicator is still very alpha
18:40.09ohoyeah you told me
18:40.53ohoI am off in a minute, but when I get back from the weekend I will start making myself familiar with the code
18:41.11ohoI think it is best for me to focus on one thing
18:42.05cp15Ok, then I will try to fix the suspend code. This is currently the biggest hurdle in using linux on the ba
18:43.15ohoI followed discussions about that on the h2200 project - hard work, but has to be done
18:43.45cp15I got it nearly working, but the display stays white after resume
18:44.16cp15I am now poking around in the windows dlls to get the display reinitialisation fixed
18:44.30ohothanks for the good work - I will try to contribute as much as possible
18:44.50cp15Thank you
18:44.56ohoso we don't have to do it every time CE boots ?
18:45.15ohohave other ports tried to do that yet ?
18:45.33cp15???
18:46.46cp15Tried to do what?
18:47.39ohoI thought you are talking about the setup you have to perform everytime you reboot into CE
18:48.56cp15Ah, no, the suspend mode is about putting the device into a low power mode waiting until some events (power button, gsm modem ring etc...) wake it up
18:49.19cp15The CE setup will be gone when we have a linux rom
18:49.53ohoI know about the suspend mode - I was refering to this post: font size="3">I am now poking around in the windows dlls to get the display reinitialisation fixed
18:50.31ohoanyway, I think there was just a little miss understanding
18:50.32cp15The display reinitialisation after leaving suspend mode.
18:50.47ohoah - I see, now I get it
18:50.57ohocheers
18:51.14ohohave a nice evening - see you
18:51.17cp15Bye
18:51.31ohobye
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19:22.40_bob_whey guys ...
19:23.30_bob_wwhen i corrected my nick , then i wanna work some on the ba
19:23.55_bob_wcp15 wanna play some more teacher and "hello me " some code parts ?
19:24.42_bob_wi studied the tsc2200 pdf and also familiarized with the blueangel_battery code
19:26.22_bob_wcrap
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19:48.16_cronos_cp15 i think that my dcc work if u already when to send me the file i am ready to trye it
20:32.17rob_w-which file you are looking for _cronos_
20:33.27_cronos_the modified gpe if i remember me
20:33.54_cronos_because i don t arrive too boot i have a pb
20:34.00_cronos_..
20:34.03rob_w-oh. a  whole gpe
20:34.24rob_w-pb ?
20:34.35_cronos_problem
20:35.18rob_w-ah
20:35.52rob_w-yeah the stuff on the wiki could be newer already ... i might give it some love again
21:13.16Funklordimmolo: ye there?
21:16.26Funklordthe ftp.. should be working now
21:25.42Funklordanybody else need an acct for it?
21:46.29cp15Funklord: immolo is at the hospital
21:46.42cp15But can you give me an account also?
21:47.38Funklordcp15: sure
21:48.26cp15What do you need from me?
21:49.52Funklordcp15: pm me a password
22:11.00bweghn8
22:36.57immolohello people
22:37.39immoloFunklord-  you want me to pm a password also?
22:47.06Funklordimmolo: yes
22:47.48cp15Funklord: Can I test it already?
22:48.25Funklordcp15: yes
22:48.36FunklordI may have a nat problem
22:48.41Funklordso please test
22:50.27cp15Where?
22:50.50Funklordoh, you didn't get my pms
22:50.57Funklordgnulinux.biz
22:51.05cp15You have to be registered to send pms
22:51.15Funklorddamnit
22:51.35cp15Or I have to change my nick
22:51.47Funklordthe files should be reachable at gnulinux.biz/files
22:51.53Funklordhttp
22:53.52cp15Worked, I have created a directory blueangel/ipkg and put there the ipkgs needed for gomunicator
22:54.31Funklordgreat
22:54.51Funklordand the http url worked too?
22:56.10cp15Yes
22:57.18cp15Would it be possible to change the mime type for ipk to application/octet-stream?
22:57.40cp15It gets displayed in the browser window
22:57.53cp15But anyway: Many thanks for the webspace
23:00.39Funklordcp15: could you please test the ftp again?
23:01.04Funklordthe current settings didn't work from my internal network
23:02.31cp15Still working
23:02.39Funklordgreat
23:02.49Funklordnow it works on the internal net too =)
23:03.14cp15Is it on a private machine from you?
23:03.25Funklordcp15: yeah
23:03.35Funklordit's at my place
23:03.39cp15How strong is your uplink?
23:03.46Funklord10mbit
23:03.59cp15Really? Wow
23:04.19FunklordI'm getting 100mbit during the beginning of next yr =)
23:04.19cp15You are living in a datacenter?
23:05.00Funklordcp15: nah, these datarates are pretty common here
23:05.39cp15And you have a flat rate?
23:05.51Funklordyeah
23:05.58cp15How much does it cost?
23:06.07Funklordabout 30eur a month
23:06.58cp15Cheaper than my DSL with 6 MBit down/576 KBit up
23:07.48Funklordit's fiber optics between each house, and copper into each apartment
23:07.53cp15Maybe I should move to sweden ;-)
23:08.01Funklordhehe yeah =)
23:08.25FunklordI chose this apt specifically after the available internet connection
23:09.03cp15Some houses here in germany also do have fiber optics, but they are the absolute loosers: They only can use ISDN speed, since DSL does not work and other possibilities are not offered
23:09.24cp15It should be fast enough to offer video streaming
23:09.57cp15So only one person needs a big DVD archive and can stream DVDs for the friends
23:10.00Funklordthis is the server it runs on http://vibes.se/sysinfo/
23:10.27Funklorddvd streaming is evil
23:10.39Funklordit goes beyond 8mbit sometimes
23:10.55cp15Yeah, maybe you have to do a prefetch of a minute
23:11.37FunklordI always watch movies over wireless.. so it's quite notable what datarates they use when encoding
23:11.48Funklordstill 802.11b
23:12.52FunklordI'm sewing a pair of party trousers atm
23:13.04cp15I have a kiss dvd player which has also a 802.11b wireless option, but it is much too slow to watch dvd
23:13.26cp15The fast ethernet (connected via ISA bus :-( ) is just fast enough
23:15.19cp15You are sewing? Not the geekiest activity... But I think I have to do it too soon. My pockets are full of holes and I keep loosing my keys
23:15.47Funklordthese trousers are going to be a hit tomorrow at a party
23:16.03FunklordI'm sewing an EL wire along the legs and the back
23:16.22Funklordso the whole thing lights up like a christmas tree
23:16.26cp15Ah... Ok... That makes it a geeky
23:16.54cp15But be careful not to get a electric shock
23:16.58Funklord=P
23:17.14Funklordit's ok, the wire's well isolated
23:17.38cp15Ok, then please make a photo... I want to see it :-)
23:17.46Funklordit's running off a 100V/4.5kHz DC/AC converter
23:17.57cp15But for now I will go to bed
23:18.04FunklordI will =)
23:18.07Funklordok, good night
23:18.15cp15Good night also
23:18.48cp15Ah... One last request: PM me again, I have set the filter attribute for my user to "off"
23:21.08cp15Wrong setting... Please try again

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