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| 09:35.05 | cp15 | Good morning |
| 10:00.32 | rob_w | jey dude |
| 10:02.31 | cp15 | How could you live without it? |
| 10:02.40 | rob_w | i cant arrrghgg |
| 10:03.23 | rob_w | how is your coding going ? |
| 10:04.22 | cp15 | I am currently fixing some bugs in gomunicator |
| 10:04.46 | cp15 | A few days ago I had a very annoying bug: Hangup didn't work |
| 10:04.56 | rob_w | oops |
| 10:05.14 | cp15 | I made a call shortly afterwards and the old call got "on hold"... For over 2 hours |
| 10:05.30 | bhima | gomunnicator on the 770 with an external phone and a bluutooth headset would be interesting. |
| 10:05.35 | bhima | ouch. |
| 10:05.45 | rob_w | bad , |
| 10:06.23 | cp15 | I think my company will not die because of it, but still it is annoying |
| 10:06.24 | rob_w | i plan to upload zImage-4 and initrd-4 today |
| 10:06.45 | rob_w | also i saw some general differences on the 3900 touchscreen compared to the himalaya |
| 10:07.05 | *** join/#htc-blueangel llange (n=llange@lange.nom.fr) |
| 10:07.08 | cp15 | I have added mkfs and fsck for vfat, msdos, ext2 and ext3 to initrd-3 |
| 10:07.31 | rob_w | i wiil just exchange the modules |
| 10:08.02 | rob_w | and maybe we should compile blueangel_kp into the kernel now ,, |
| 10:08.46 | cp15 | I wouldn't do it, since the keytable is still incomplete, and with a compiled in module you have no chance to update it without rebooting |
| 10:08.58 | rob_w | hmmm right |
| 10:09.06 | rob_w | ok ,, that was stupid |
| 10:10.34 | cp15 | If you need the keyboard early, do a insmod blueangel_kp in linuxrc |
| 10:10.50 | cp15 | Maybe we should now also add a getty on the console |
| 10:11.10 | rob_w | right, that we can use now . wow |
| 10:12.49 | cp15 | Tss... Nobody at the graves today? |
| 10:18.18 | rob_w | well , ive been to my house , if that counts ... |
| 10:18.58 | cp15 | Is it a grave? Well, for money, maybe... |
| 10:19.10 | rob_w | yeah right for my money |
| 10:19.55 | rob_w | did you see the other mail from w4xy , seems there is more and more attention |
| 10:21.23 | cp15 | I think the person which wrote to w4xy is oho, but I didn't get in contact yet |
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| 10:23.23 | magnet | hi |
| 10:23.30 | rob_w | hi magnet |
| 10:26.42 | magnet | what's up ? |
| 10:27.30 | cp15 | Something interesting? |
| 10:28.01 | cp15 | I am looking for a car charger, but at expansys there is always a availability of > 10 days |
| 10:29.17 | bhima | Get a USB connector power supply and use a usb charging cable...? |
| 10:29.21 | rob_w | battery`s i am interessted , but the 2400mAh is bigger and the ba will not fit in the dokcing anymore ,,tsts |
| 10:30.48 | cp15 | The USB charger charges only at 100 mA, the AC charger at 500 mA. I hope the car charger also charges at 500 mA |
| 10:31.57 | bhima | Ahh, ok. my iPaq h6315 has slow and fast charging as preferences options; I assume they mean 100mA or 500mA, since USB can supply 500mA. |
| 10:33.17 | cp15 | The charging circuit is capable of charging via usb at 500mA, but I haven't found out yet if the control signal is connected to a gpio output and if yes, which |
| 10:50.57 | llange | Hi |
| 10:51.30 | llange | Which CVS do you use for BA development ? |
| 10:52.18 | rob_w | currently we are at sourceforge , but we plan to use hh,org |
| 10:52.27 | rob_w | hmm tehre is a 1700mAh one |
| 10:53.05 | llange | sourceforge, you mean xanadux : http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/xanadux/linux-2.6-xda/ ? |
| 10:53.52 | llange | who do I have to ask to get write access ? |
| 10:54.00 | rob_w | yep but mind the TAG |
| 10:54.27 | rob_w | you can send patches |
| 10:54.54 | llange | I have completed the LEDs for the himalaya, and would like to commit it. I'm using the branch : K2-6-12-hh2-xda0-ba0 . To whom do I send patches ? |
| 10:57.01 | rob_w | robert@linuxdevelopment.de |
| 10:58.32 | llange | ok I'll send a patch in a few minutes. |
| 11:00.24 | llange | Is there a specific policy on the configs/*_defconfig files ? Can I also patch them (to have a well-known starting point) ? |
| 11:00.38 | llange | them => himalaya_defconfig of course. =) |
| 11:01.05 | rob_w | yeah np |
| 11:01.09 | llange | okthx |
| 11:51.39 | oho | Hello every one |
| 11:53.56 | cp15 | Ah, hi oho. I have seen you have written a mail to w4xy regarding blueangel development |
| 11:54.18 | oho | Hi cp15, yes I did |
| 11:54.33 | cp15 | Anything special you want to work on? |
| 11:55.10 | oho | Hmmm good question, in order to answer that I first have to find out how far you guys have got. |
| 11:55.41 | oho | Is there already a OE machine type for the blueangel |
| 11:55.43 | oho | ? |
| 11:56.20 | cp15 | The best overview you will probably get from http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelProgress (regarding the system...) |
| 11:57.02 | cp15 | Yes, there is a machine type, but it is IMO not yet complete |
| 11:57.27 | oho | thank you. |
| 11:57.47 | oho | if we would get oe setup for the device, our life would be a lot easier |
| 11:58.24 | cp15 | immolo is working on it, but it isn't that easy |
| 11:58.59 | oho | I know, I looked at the h2200 one |
| 11:59.33 | oho | what I quite like to do is look a bit at the GSM interface |
| 11:59.41 | oho | do you know who is working on that ? |
| 12:00.48 | cp15 | Ah, ok, you get a fairly complete list of supported commands at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelGSM |
| 12:01.17 | oho | yeah I saw that already |
| 12:02.11 | cp15 | I think nobody is currently working on the GSM interface. I tried to fix some bugs in gomunicator (the gpe phone application) today and try to find out how to get the GSM interface into suspend mode |
| 12:02.12 | oho | with the other stuff I think there are alot of peopel who are more familiar with it, e.g. bluetooth, but the gsm side of things seems to be sort off new |
| 12:02.59 | oho | I haven't looked at the code for gocomunicator yet - is it written in a nice way ? |
| 12:03.22 | cp15 | No, definetly not |
| 12:03.36 | cp15 | If you want to help, you are very welcome |
| 12:04.57 | oho | are you Robert ? |
| 12:05.14 | cp15 | No, rob_w is Robert |
| 12:05.33 | oho | ah ok, then he put the wiki on handhelds.org up |
| 12:05.49 | cp15 | Yes |
| 12:06.21 | oho | if the code isn't that nice the question is if it might not be a better idea to start again !? |
| 12:07.38 | cp15 | Well, feel free to do so. I needed to get at least the basic features run quickly, and gomunicator was the fastest way |
| 12:08.38 | oho | was just a suggestion |
| 12:08.43 | oho | how far have you got ? |
| 12:08.54 | cp15 | I am using it daily :-) |
| 12:09.29 | oho | ah ok - so quite far :-) |
| 12:09.56 | oho | so you got a basic kernel running, as well as the phone working ? |
| 12:10.02 | cp15 | Incoming/Outgoing calls works, ringtone (only in raw format) works, SMS reading/writing works kind of, but is uncomfortable |
| 12:10.06 | cp15 | Yes |
| 12:10.45 | cp15 | Biggest limitation currently is the battery drain. Even in suspend mode, the battery won't last 24 hours |
| 12:11.08 | oho | back to old nokia 2110 days ;-) |
| 12:11.17 | oho | I am just checking the code out |
| 12:11.31 | cp15 | Yeah, a nokia 2110 was also my first mobile |
| 12:12.09 | oho | same here |
| 12:12.48 | oho | I will be a way for 10 days and then I will get a bit more involved |
| 12:14.38 | oho | do you think it would be a good idea to add the blueangel to the handhelds.org project page, as it might attrackt a few more people ? |
| 12:14.55 | cp15 | Which project page? |
| 12:15.09 | oho | http://www.handhelds.org/projects/ |
| 12:16.00 | cp15 | Oh, sure. Do you have write access or know somebody who has? |
| 12:21.09 | oho | hmm I suppose koen would be the person to talk to |
| 12:22.03 | oho | not sure if he likes me though, as I think I asked a few stupid questions at the beginning ;-) but oe is a bit strange to get used to |
| 12:23.29 | oho | the standard way to go about it is to write a fixed html web page describing what the project is doing and then we could like to the wiki and forum |
| 15:01.59 | rob_w | oho, the projects page is outdated , the wiki is the current best way to attract .. and actually we get more each day |
| 15:02.39 | rob_w | oho feel free to send patches against gomunicator |
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| 17:06.50 | magnet | evening everyone. |
| 17:07.13 | pH5 | hi |
| 17:08.08 | oho | hi |
| 17:31.08 | llange | Hi ! I have a strange pb with modules. Maybe I'm doing wrong. I'm adapting the blueangel_kp for the himalaya. When I compile it into the kernel, it's ok. When I compile it as a module, it compiles ok, however impossible to 'insmod' it. It complains about 2 missing symbols : register_device & unregister_device (these two symbols aren't called in the original blueangel_kp). Any idea ? |
| 17:32.46 | cp15 | Do a nm on the module |
| 17:33.05 | cp15 | Does it show register and unregister_unregister device? |
| 17:33.34 | llange | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.35 | llange | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.55 | cp15 | And *_kp.o? |
| 17:36.53 | llange | the module is himalaya_kp.o |
| 17:37.14 | cp15 | No, the module is himalaya_kp.ko |
| 17:37.30 | llange | oops sorry. |
| 17:37.57 | llange | same output as far as device_* is concerned. |
| 17:38.32 | llange | It's very strange for me. |
| 17:39.20 | cp15 | grep device_register himalaya_kp.c gives nothing? |
| 17:39.52 | llange | well those functions are called in himalaya_kp, yes. |
| 17:40.54 | llange | and they are available for modules, because, for exemple, himalaya_ts3 calls them, and insmods ok. |
| 17:41.45 | cp15 | Ah, maybe you forgot to set the module license to GPL. |
| 17:41.59 | llange | yes you're right. |
| 17:41.59 | cp15 | There are some symbols which are only available to GPL modules |
| 17:42.05 | llange | That's odd. |
| 17:42.19 | llange | but I do remember this. thanks a lot. |
| 17:43.06 | llange | Hope the one who wrote blueangel_kp don't mind that I set license to GPL on my box... :-) |
| 17:49.58 | llange | Ok, that was really the problem. Thanks, cp15 ! |
| 17:52.12 | llange | As far as the himalaya is concerned, I now have : leds+vibrator working, touchscreen working, keypad partially working ( only some of the buttons driven by the ASIC3, but not the direction pad, nor the buttons driven by the TSC2200 ) |
| 17:54.13 | cp15 | Very good, maybe you should inform the world about your progress and publish your work |
| 17:55.29 | immolo | cp15- you know if there is an fam0.8.2 config going around anywhere? |
| 17:56.06 | llange | I've sent robert patches for leds and touchscreen, I hope he'll review these and apply to CVS if it's not too ugly. I'll then try to modify the Wiki but I'm wiki-novice |
| 17:56.27 | cp15 | I was also :-) |
| 17:57.29 | cp15 | As for the CVS, if you want write access mail to w4xy at users.sourceforge.net |
| 17:58.33 | cp15 | immolo: Don't know |
| 17:58.53 | cp15 | For what do you need it? |
| 17:59.12 | immolo | cp15- gpe image is failing now after an update |
| 17:59.41 | immolo | I think I should revert back to gpe 2.6 |
| 17:59.46 | cp15 | :-( At which stage? |
| 17:59.59 | immolo | libgpg |
| 18:00.10 | immolo | oh wait a fix seems to be uploaded |
| 18:00.56 | cp15 | Doesn't seem essential, comment it out if you can't get it working |
| 18:01.30 | immolo | and I still can't get gomicator to build after you last cvs change |
| 18:02.05 | cp15 | Where does it fail? |
| 18:02.06 | immolo | but rob did so once I get this build done I'll look into it to see if rob has something I don't |
| 18:03.15 | cp15 | So, hopefully now the BA does get a deeper sleep :-) |
| 18:03.17 | immolo | but at least I'm pretty sure I fixed ts :D |
| 18:03.25 | immolo | cool |
| 18:03.41 | immolo | oh how long does the battery last with BT on? |
| 18:04.19 | cp15 | No idea. I am still wanting a device to measure the power consumption, that would make such calculations easy |
| 18:05.03 | cp15 | Unfortunately the battery contacts are in a 2mm grid |
| 18:05.54 | immolo | I know some one that can do it |
| 18:06.17 | immolo | not too sure I want him poking with my ba though :P |
| 18:06.39 | cp15 | I will look at ebay for a cheap battery and will disassemble it |
| 18:07.04 | immolo | I've got a spare himalaya battery but not much use here |
| 18:07.56 | immolo | anyway my dinner is finish so I'll be back in a bit |
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| 18:36.32 | immolo | cp15- did you see what bb the libgpg was in? |
| 18:37.32 | cp15 | Just a moment, I will take a look |
| 18:38.48 | immolo | oh and gpe installs totem by default as a movie player |
| 18:39.18 | cp15 | Hmm... Dont have a libgpg in any .bb, just libgpg-error and libgpgme |
| 18:39.30 | immolo | where is the error one |
| 18:39.57 | cp15 | libgpg-error/*.bb (several versions) |
| 18:40.01 | immolo | I thought the error meant as a message not as a bb |
| 18:40.17 | cp15 | libgcrypt seems to need libgpg-error |
| 18:40.58 | cp15 | And gtk+ needs libgcrypt. So forget my previous statement, it is important |
| 18:41.05 | immolo | great :P |
| 18:41.19 | cp15 | What error message do you get? |
| 18:41.42 | immolo | | Installing libgpg-error0 (1.0-r0) to root... |
| 18:41.43 | immolo | | Downloading file:/home/immolo/oe/org.openembedded.oz354fam083/tmp/deploy/ipk/libgpg-error0_1.0-r0_armv5te.ipk |
| 18:41.43 | immolo | | Configuring libgpg-error0 |
| 18:41.43 | immolo | | (offline root mode: not running libgpg-error0.postinst) |
| 18:41.43 | immolo | | Collected errors: |
| 18:41.44 | immolo | | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for xserver-kdrive-fbdev: |
| 18:41.48 | immolo | | + '[' -f /home/immolo/oe/org.openembedded.oz354fam083/tmp/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/libgpg-error0.postinst ']' |
| 18:41.51 | immolo | | + sh /home/immolo/oe/org.openembedded.oz354fam083/tmp/rootfs/usr/lib/ipkg/info/libgpg-error0.postinst configure |
| 18:41.54 | immolo | | |
| 18:41.57 | immolo | NOTE: Task failed: /home/immolo/oe/org.openembedded.oz354fam083/tmp/work/gpe-image-1.0-r19/temp/log.do_rootfs.16995 |
| 18:41.59 | immolo | NOTE: package gpe-image-1.0-r19: task do_rootfs: failed |
| 18:42.01 | immolo | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 18:42.03 | immolo | NOTE: package gpe-image-1.0: failed |
| 18:42.05 | immolo | ERROR: Build of gpe-image failed |
| 18:43.54 | immolo | strange that, that is the only error I have had on this build |
| 18:44.53 | _bob_w | totem ,, is that true ? |
| 18:44.57 | immolo | yes |
| 18:45.16 | *** mode/#htc-blueangel [+o rob_w] by ChanServ |
| 18:45.22 | immolo | totem is crap in desktop use but I think it will be quite nice for a pda |
| 18:45.46 | rob_w | never saw that in gpe |
| 18:45.53 | immolo | it's only in extras |
| 18:46.11 | immolo | and you need to set the flash_size to over 64 to get it |
| 18:46.15 | cp15 | immolo: Please send me /home/immolo/oe/org.openembedded.oz354fam083/tmp/work/gpe-image-1.0-r19/temp/log.do_rootfs.16995 and /home/immolo/oe/org.openembedded.oz354fam083/tmp/work/gpe-image-1.0-r19/temp/run.do_rootfs.16995 |
| 18:47.43 | immolo | the numbers have changed but it's the same error |
| 18:49.39 | cp15 | Strange problem... |
| 18:49.49 | rob_w | what is it ? |
| 18:49.59 | cp15 | My IRC client is telling me "No route to host" |
| 18:50.23 | immolo | got that |
| 18:50.34 | cp15 | dcc ping is working |
| 18:51.38 | cp15 | Try it again, I will run tcpdump |
| 18:53.34 | immolo | want me to just e-mail them |
| 18:53.36 | rob_w | hmm i am scared to upload again a new set of zImage and initrd ,, dont think we should use so much space on the wiki , ? |
| 18:54.30 | rob_w | since i am missing a way to delete old files on it |
| 18:54.39 | immolo | rob_w- without a place to host the ba work do you have much choice? |
| 18:55.09 | rob_w | well i ve space but not a wiki |
| 18:55.29 | cp15 | Then put it on your space and place a link in the wiki |
| 18:55.35 | immolo | :P |
| 18:55.57 | cp15 | Don't think it will generate that much traffic |
| 18:57.20 | immolo | cp15- so you want me to mail those logs? |
| 18:58.24 | cp15 | No, I want DCC to work :-) |
| 18:58.46 | immolo | I think it's my firewall |
| 18:58.55 | immolo | let me go scan over it |
| 19:00.25 | cp15 | Your NAT doesn't work |
| 19:00.41 | cp15 | I got 192.168.0.2 as your ip address |
| 19:00.55 | immolo | bah, I deleted the wrong script |
| 19:01.25 | cp15 | Ok, then send it via mail |
| 19:01.55 | immolo | I hate iptables :P I'm going to have to re study again |
| 19:02.44 | cp15 | Have you loaded ip_nat_irc? |
| 19:05.07 | immolo | yes |
| 19:05.25 | immolo | hmm |
| 19:05.42 | immolo | does immolo.net work? |
| 19:07.17 | immolo | sent |
| 19:07.54 | cp15 | The error has nothing to do with gpg. tslib-conf is missing |
| 19:09.49 | cp15 | host immolo.net |
| 19:09.49 | cp15 | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 19:10.57 | cp15 | I will eat something now |
| 19:14.57 | *** topic/#htc-blueangel by rob_w -> http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelResearch **2.6.12-hh2-4 uploaded at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel | recieved ok tobe cvs hosted by handhelds.org .. so we will soon move the cvs there | latest approach shows the keyboard is working now - |
| 19:34.02 | immolo | cp15- sorry my little girl cried |
| 19:34.35 | Funklord | cp15: btw, on the handhelds.org page I did a lot of editing |
| 19:35.09 | Funklord | cp15: can you check that the "Features & Chip keywords" section contains accurate information according to your research as well? |
| 19:35.50 | Funklord | hey immolo =) |
| 19:35.58 | immolo | yo Funklord |
| 19:40.29 | cp15 | Funklord: Looks good |
| 19:41.27 | immolo | cp15- so it's to do with my tslib hack then |
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| 19:43.37 | cp15 | How does your hack look like? |
| 19:44.10 | immolo | I've forced tslib_cvs.bb to think the machine is a h3900 |
| 19:44.35 | cp15 | Don't think this might be the problem. I will check |
| 19:45.36 | cp15 | Hihi, the BA is quite slow at 33 MHz |
| 19:46.35 | Funklord | can it handle a wireless connection? |
| 19:47.22 | cp15 | No, even USB doesn't work at 33 MHz |
| 19:47.32 | Funklord | heh |
| 19:47.46 | cp15 | Actually I made a mistake and forgot to set the speed to normal after wakeup |
| 19:47.54 | Funklord | how are you controlling that? |
| 19:48.50 | *** join/#htc-blueangel llange (n=llange@lange.nom.fr) |
| 19:49.33 | Funklord | I sent in my BA for repairs again =/ |
| 19:50.00 | cp15 | There is a clock configuration register in which you can write your desired speed, and then you have to set a bit and the cpu raises/lowers it's speed to the requested value |
| 19:51.08 | Funklord | do you think it would benefit from speed "governor" code like used on pentium M etc.? |
| 19:51.22 | Funklord | I use ondemand |
| 19:51.30 | bhima | dyntick! :) |
| 19:51.39 | cp15 | immolo: Is there a tslib-conf ipkg in /home/immolo/oe/org.openembedded.oz354fam083/tmp/deploy/ipk/ |
| 19:51.43 | cp15 | ? |
| 19:52.04 | cp15 | Sure |
| 19:52.09 | bhima | I think that's what dyntick does; the Nokia 770 is great with it. :) |
| 19:53.24 | immolo | cp15- yes |
| 19:53.41 | cp15 | Strange |
| 19:53.42 | immolo | bhima- hack a nokia 6680 for me :D |
| 19:53.55 | bhima | Hack it how? |
| 19:54.09 | immolo | no idea, just make it cooler :P |
| 19:54.21 | cp15 | Funklord: What is the problem with your BA? |
| 19:54.38 | bhima | immolo: install Python on it, firstly. |
| 19:54.53 | immolo | bhima- I'm planning on tomorrow |
| 19:54.57 | Funklord | cp15: the buttons are breaking, and the when I got it back last time, the radio had very bad reception |
| 19:55.23 | cp15 | Maybe they forgot the antenna? ;-) |
| 19:55.34 | Funklord | wouldn't surprise me =P |
| 19:55.35 | bhima | immolo: hmm. send it to me and I'll make it cooler. :) |
| 19:55.53 | immolo | not sure my girlfriend would be best pleased :P |
| 19:56.24 | cp15 | Hope mine lasts longer. But I also dropped it on concrete floor last week. Just a few scratches remained |
| 19:56.37 | immolo | is there a gps adpator for that phone as I saw a version of tomtom for it? |
| 19:56.50 | bhima | bluetooth. |
| 19:57.26 | immolo | ah, are they dear as it's her birthday next week and I was thinking it would be a great present |
| 19:58.04 | cp15 | I find a pda or mobile with a bluetooth gps receiver a very dumb idea. In the car you don't need bluetooth, you can connect it via serial, and outside of the car you have both hands full of devices |
| 19:58.19 | bhima | cp15: pocket? |
| 19:58.31 | pH5 | cp15: htc magician has no serial :( |
| 19:58.46 | pH5 | or backpack :) |
| 19:58.49 | cp15 | The gps receiver should be aligned horizontal |
| 19:58.57 | immolo | my laptop has no serial :P |
| 19:59.02 | bhima | cp15: depends on the antenna... |
| 19:59.11 | cp15 | But USB |
| 19:59.13 | immolo | pain in the arse as I have to use my server to use my ba serial cable |
| 19:59.13 | pH5 | everything with a sirf3 chipset has very good reception |
| 19:59.18 | bhima | cp15: I have a garmin that wants to be vertical. |
| 19:59.31 | pH5 | i had my bt gps lying around in the trunk without external antenna, no rec. problems even in a tunnel |
| 20:00.02 | bhima | The BA's serial connector is too big and fragile for comfort. |
| 20:00.06 | cp15 | Well, then the antenna is rotated. Usually gps receiver use a planar antenna which has a direction |
| 20:00.40 | immolo | bhima- are all bt gps devices compatible? I don't deal with BT much |
| 20:00.46 | Funklord | heh, I've not tried gps yet |
| 20:00.50 | cp15 | Yeah, what I would like to see is a sdio gps receiver with a sd card slot or integrated sd memory |
| 20:01.16 | immolo | cp15- there was one on ebay some time ago |
| 20:01.30 | cp15 | Really? How much was it? |
| 20:01.32 | immolo | intergrated 128 though |
| 20:01.34 | bhima | immolo: They're all, AFAIK, RFCOMM serial devices. |
| 20:01.40 | cp15 | Not that much... |
| 20:01.42 | bhima | immolo: They normally output standard NMEA. |
| 20:02.02 | immolo | bhima- thanks you have saved me an bday problem :P |
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| 20:02.35 | bhima | expansys had some for around Eu100 a few months back; not sure if they're left. |
| 20:02.58 | bhima | Though they have sub-par battery contacts IMHO. Putting some extra foam in is needed. |
| 20:03.08 | bhima | I got a pair on a one-day special at US$64. |
| 20:05.58 | immolo | I'll look around a bit |
| 20:06.09 | immolo | I might get one for my ba too |
| 20:09.52 | cp15 | What is llange doing? Flooding other channels? |
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| 20:16.00 | cp15 | ph5: Does the magician have irda? |
| 20:16.29 | pH5 | cp15: yes |
| 20:17.05 | cp15 | Ah... That maybe an alternative if the framebuffer doesn't work at the first try |
| 20:17.29 | cp15 | Do you have a irda transceiver on a pc? |
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| 20:19.00 | pH5 | cp15: i do. |
| 20:19.57 | cp15 | Then a serial connection should be possible |
| 20:20.04 | cp15 | That would make life much easier |
| 20:20.33 | pH5 | i don't have any experience with ir though. |
| 20:20.36 | rob_w | tomorrow i will see my ba again ... juhu |
| 20:20.42 | rob_w | cu |
| 20:21.18 | cp15 | No problem, it should work like a normal serial connection |
| 20:23.32 | pH5 | cp15: ok. i'll try to copy the ipaq early sir console code. |
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| 20:35.41 | cp15 | ~help |
| 20:35.49 | cp15 | Tss |
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| 20:53.36 | cp15 | What is going on here? |
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| 21:10.14 | cp15 | Gnnnnn |
| 21:10.49 | pH5 | it's a glitch in the matrix |
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| 21:14.53 | cp15 | llange: Are you there? |
| 21:19.35 | cp15 | Surprise, surprise |
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| 21:30.42 | Minga | Hello, world ;-) Is there anybody here who run Linux on a orange spv m 2000 (french) blueangel ? |
| 21:31.14 | magnet | hi; |
| 21:31.24 | magnet | I try to run it on magician :) |
| 21:31.47 | Minga | hi, magnet. Magician ??? what's this ? |
| 21:32.39 | magnet | it's lie orange spv 500. |
| 21:32.45 | magnet | ^lie^like |
| 21:33.03 | Minga | yeah ok. And does it work ? |
| 21:33.13 | magnet | not yet. |
| 21:33.24 | magnet | but your model seems better supported. |
| 21:33.25 | pH5 | cp15: how do i find out which gpio turns on the ir receiver? |
| 21:33.54 | pH5 | when i try send a contact in wince via ir i get activity on #46 and #47, but which one is the right one? |
| 21:34.11 | Minga | I'll hope, magnet ! I'm just beginning to try the port: my device is fresh from the vendor box ;-) |
| 21:34.18 | magnet | I would even say well supported. |
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| 21:34.54 | magnet | btw any news on kernel for magician ? |
| 21:35.05 | Minga | Do you know if the gsm features are well supported ? |
| 21:35.31 | magnet | did you looked this page http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel ? |
| 21:35.43 | Minga | yes: i'm coming from it |
| 21:36.06 | pH5 | magnet: I made a skeleton and filled in the pxa-keys and pxafb info I know |
| 21:36.25 | magnet | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelGSM |
| 21:36.31 | cp15 | pH5: I would suggest starting haret and making a irda connection with windows. Then look wich GPIO changes |
| 21:36.43 | magnet | pH5: nice nice, can I help with something ? |
| 21:37.40 | cp15 | And I strongly suggest to start with a kernel with only the absolute required features |
| 21:38.03 | cp15 | Forget pxafb, it won't work, since your setup will be wrong |
| 21:38.18 | cp15 | Forget pxa-keys, it is not necessary yet |
| 21:38.31 | pH5 | cp15: ok, I'll leave that out for the beginning |
| 21:38.40 | magnet | how to have output, if we don't use pxafb ? |
| 21:39.25 | pH5 | magnet: serial console over ir |
| 21:39.45 | magnet | oh |
| 21:39.48 | pH5 | cp15: i see gpio 46 and 47 turn on and off |
| 21:40.08 | magnet | is it possible with usb cable too ? |
| 21:40.11 | cp15 | Try vsfb (very simple framebuffer) and change it's starting address to the VRAM address you got from haret |
| 21:40.28 | cp15 | It requires no further setup, so nothing else can go wrong |
| 21:40.37 | pH5 | cp15: dumb question: where do I find the vram address in haret? |
| 21:41.01 | cp15 | Just a moment, I will look |
| 21:41.03 | magnet | print "%08x" VRAM |
| 21:41.14 | cp15 | Exactly :-) |
| 21:41.21 | pH5 | magnet: thanks |
| 21:41.30 | pH5 | vram=0xa8500020 W=240 H=320 |
| 21:41.46 | cp15 | Ah ok, lets look into the memory map |
| 21:42.59 | Minga | Euuuh, in fact, i've got some newbies questions ... who would be kind enough to answer ? |
| 21:43.10 | cp15 | pH5: How much memory does your device have? |
| 21:43.32 | pH5 | the last things that happen when cancelling ir are gplr#46->0, gplr[83]->1 |
| 21:43.36 | pH5 | cp15: 64m |
| 21:43.43 | cp15 | Strange |
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| 21:43.55 | cp15 | Have you already tried to write into the video ram? |
| 21:44.09 | cp15 | The starting address and the 20 at the end looks a bit strange |
| 21:44.14 | cp15 | Minga: Just ask |
| 21:44.29 | pH5 | and gplr#46->1 is the first change, so does that mean my IR_TRANSCEIVER_ON should set gpio #46? |
| 21:44.53 | cp15 | Have you looked into the pxa datasheet whether gpio #46 has a special function? |
| 21:45.16 | magnet | is vsfb in xanadux-ba-2.6 ? |
| 21:45.16 | pH5 | ouch, i'm dumb |
| 21:45.18 | cp15 | Ok, cr2 has already done it |
| 21:45.28 | pH5 | gpio 46 and 47 are ir rx/tx |
| 21:45.30 | Minga | thanks, cp15, and please don't lough ... first: how does Linux boot ? by haret.exe ? is that right ? So, could we choose the os when Linux installed ? How does it work, exactly ? |
| 21:45.44 | cp15 | GPIO 46 is the STUART RXD |
| 21:45.56 | pH5 | right |
| 21:46.20 | cp15 | Minga: Currently linux runs from a SD card. You can put a autostart on the sd card so as soon as you insert it, linux will boot |
| 21:46.39 | cp15 | If you make a hard reset (all windows data will be lost) and don't insert the card, you will get windows |
| 21:46.56 | Minga | Ok: what size is required for the sd card ? |
| 21:47.04 | cp15 | Not as comfortable as it could be, but ok for now |
| 21:48.08 | Minga | (I add that i'm reading xanadux and handhleds related web pages, too) |
| 21:48.10 | cp15 | At least 128 M I would say... You need about 10 MB for the bootloader kernel and initrd and the system is about 60 MB |
| 21:48.42 | pH5 | ok, I think it's #83. it changes to 0 before 46/47 start to blink and returns to 1 afterwards |
| 21:49.16 | cp15 | pH5: Ah, ok. That might be |
| 21:49.31 | Minga | Ok: than you very much, cp15 and magnet. See you later. Bye. |
| 21:50.28 | cp15 | Bye |
| 21:50.33 | magnet | cya. |
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| 21:54.21 | magnet | cp15: I tried to write in video memory |
| 21:54.31 | magnet | using pfh vram 240*320 VRAM |
| 21:54.46 | magnet | this filled my screen is black. |
| 21:55.02 | cp15 | Ok |
| 21:55.21 | pH5 | :) |
| 21:55.23 | pH5 | works here too |
| 21:56.29 | cp15 | magnet: Do you have the same VRAM address? |
| 21:56.51 | pH5 | but replacing VRAM by 0xa8500020 hangs the device :/ |
| 21:56.56 | magnet | no |
| 21:57.17 | magnet | HaRET(1)# print "%08x" VRAM |
| 21:57.17 | magnet | 5c000020 |
| 21:58.41 | cp15 | Ah, that makes more sense |
| 21:58.59 | cp15 | 0xa85 is far outside the 64 MB ram |
| 21:59.25 | cp15 | 0x5c is within the pxa internal memory, where I would put it too. |
| 22:00.15 | pH5 | heh |
| 22:00.19 | cp15 | pH5: Can you please verify? |
| 22:00.35 | pH5 | i should have some sleep. look at this: |
| 22:00.41 | pH5 | HaRET(1)# print "%08x" VRAM |
| 22:00.41 | pH5 | vram=0xa8500020 W=240 H=320 |
| 22:00.41 | pH5 | 5c000020 |
| 22:00.45 | pH5 | ouch. |
| 22:01.39 | cp15 | Ok, then you probably have to use 0x5c000000 as the starting address for vsfb |
| 22:02.23 | cp15 | The 0x20 will make the page mapping failing. This will give you a split screen, but be happy if you can see at least the split screen :-) |
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| 22:04.46 | pH5 | cp15: how does vsfb work - do i just have to compile it in and change the address in vsfb itself? |
| 22:04.56 | cp15 | Yes |
| 22:05.08 | pH5 | cp15: thanks, will try... |
| 22:05.12 | cp15 | And you also have to remove a check... Moment please |
| 22:05.53 | cp15 | Remove |
| 22:06.09 | cp15 | if(!machine_is_e330()) |
| 22:06.09 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.16 | cp15 | in vsfb_init |
| 22:06.24 | pH5 | removed |
| 22:06.53 | cp15 | You also have probably to patch the Makefile, since vsfb is not directly configurable |
| 22:07.17 | cp15 | Change obj-$(CONFIG_FB_VSFB) to obj-y |
| 22:07.54 | pH5 | building... |
| 22:09.26 | cp15 | When done, do a strings vmlinux | grep vsfb and look for "vsfb: framebuffer at 0x%lx" |
| 22:09.40 | cp15 | Just to make sure it is really there |
| 22:13.14 | pH5 | drivers/built-in.o(.init.text+0x574): In function `vsfb_init': |
| 22:13.14 | pH5 | : undefined reference to `ian_init_done' |
| 22:13.15 | pH5 | drivers/built-in.o(.data+0x146c): undefined reference to `soft_cursor' |
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| 22:16.33 | cp15 | Remove the ian_init_done = 0; from vsfb.c |
| 22:16.39 | cp15 | Hope the rest works better |
| 22:17.00 | pH5 | ok, with this and softcursor added it built |
| 22:18.00 | pH5 | and vsfb shows up in the strings, too |
| 22:18.43 | cp15 | What machine do you have used? |
| 22:19.01 | pH5 | ? |
| 22:19.06 | pH5 | magician |
| 22:19.51 | cp15 | Have you created a arch/arm/mach-pxa/magician directory? |
| 22:19.56 | pH5 | yes |
| 22:20.33 | magnet | you use xanadux-ba-2.6 as kernel ? |
| 22:20.46 | cp15 | And you made a MACHINE_START block? |
| 22:21.48 | pH5 | cp15: yup, might have been an error. can you explain the contents to me? |
| 22:22.07 | cp15 | Nothing critical, except for the machine number |
| 22:22.18 | pH5 | magnet: i started from handhelds-pxa-2.6 |
| 22:22.18 | cp15 | Maybe you can post it here |
| 22:22.36 | magnet | I'll use this one too. |
| 22:22.48 | pH5 | cp15: ok, most of the machines have the same numbers in there anyway. |
| 22:23.16 | cp15 | Yeah, but the thing behind MACHINE_START( is important |
| 22:23.30 | cp15 | You got MAGICIAN here? |
| 22:24.02 | pH5 | yes. i registered MAGICIAN and also updated the mach-types.h from arm.linux.org.uk |
| 22:24.15 | cp15 | Ok, then let's give it a try |
| 22:24.50 | cp15 | Make a backup of your device (if you haven't already...), copy the kernel on it |
| 22:25.29 | cp15 | Start haret and connect to it |
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| 22:26.00 | cp15 | Issue the following commands: |
| 22:26.06 | cp15 | set KERNEL "your kernel file" |
| 22:26.20 | cp15 | set MTYPE your registered machine type |
| 22:26.28 | cp15 | set CMDLINE "console=tty0" |
| 22:26.33 | cp15 | and, at last: |
| 22:26.36 | cp15 | bootlinux |
| 22:26.54 | cp15 | Then beg and pray :-) |
| 22:28.10 | pH5 | gngngn |
| 22:28.22 | pH5 | i don't find my sd card :/ |
| 22:28.53 | cp15 | You can also put it into the windows filesystem, but a backup of windows on SD card would be useful :-) |
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| 22:36.31 | pH5 | oh well. i'm going continue this tomorrow. |
| 22:37.52 | magnet | why do you need SD card ? can t you store the kernel on windows partition ? |
| 22:39.13 | pH5 | magnet: I thought it would be wise to make a backup in case my kernel turns out to be evil. |
| 22:40.03 | magnet | umm before I do some *huge* error. what would happen with evil kernel ? |
| 22:40.49 | pH5 | I don't know, that's the problem ;) |
| 22:41.19 | magnet | my SD card is 10mb only. |
| 22:41.21 | magnet | :\ |
| 22:41.27 | pH5 | nothing should happen, really. i think it would hang the phone and after a restart everything would be fine again |
| 22:42.10 | pH5 | but i'm not 100% sure. |
| 22:42.20 | pH5 | my sd card is big enough, it's just that i don't find it |
| 22:42.57 | cp15 | Well, most modern gadgeds operate with magic smoke. If the magic smoke comes out, it won't work anymore |
| 22:43.15 | pH5 | ok then, see you tomorrow, with a new sd card and a proper backup |
| 22:43.29 | magnet | I'll do a backup too. |
| 22:43.32 | cp15 | I will also go to bed soon |
| 22:43.34 | pH5 | cp15: wasn't that why 486 are so slow nowadays? |
| 22:43.42 | magnet | I hate this wince. |
| 22:44.00 | cp15 | Yeah, I have already seen how the magic smoke came out of an athlon :-) |
| 22:44.16 | pH5 | :) |
| 22:44.18 | pH5 | good night |
| 22:44.28 | magnet | night. |
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| 22:44.46 | magnet | 7.6mb on SD :\ |
| 22:44.50 | cp15 | It condensed on the misfitted cooler, but I didn't know how to put it back in |
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| 23:20.14 | cp15 | So, good night |
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| 23:48.09 | immolo | bhima- I've just spent ?70 on an gps system and tomtom 5 |
| 23:48.46 | immolo | but on a plus my girlfriend is asleep so lets install python :D |
| 23:52.23 | immolo | anyone know if there is a jawbreaker type game for symbian? |
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