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| 09:01.26 | rob_w-cgi | morning |
| 09:01.37 | llange | hi =) |
| 09:05.17 | rob_w-cgi | how is it going , llange |
| 09:07.59 | llange | fine. I made some progress with the Himalaya. Now the green led is ok. The red isn't (I don't even know if there is such a led on the Himalaya) |
| 09:11.24 | rob_w-cgi | niec |
| 09:11.29 | rob_w-cgi | nice , i meant |
| 09:19.43 | bhima | Do you have any theories on what state the BA is in when it is "asleep"? It seems to do some stuff over bluetooth, and now that I see how dyntick on the Nokia 770 works, I onder if they do something similar or not. |
| 09:20.24 | bhima | The 770 literally never sleeps the CPU. |
| 09:20.29 | rob_w-cgi | i dont know dyntick , yet i dont know that the ba "does " something on bluetooth |
| 09:21.05 | rob_w-cgi | well yet the ba is also not sleeping the cpu, but cp15 works on that , so we get better standby times |
| 09:21.26 | rob_w-cgi | why would you like the cpu to be alive on suspend ? |
| 09:22.49 | bhima | In the case of the 770, Nokia made dyntick work well enough that it wouldn't really have a noticable benefit if you shut the CPU off. And you don't have to worry about unloading drivers and stuff. |
| 09:23.12 | rob_w-cgi | so what the heck is "dyntick" |
| 09:23.30 | bhima | I'm interested in making bluetooth operate all the time, so having the CPU operate is useful. |
| 09:24.02 | rob_w-cgi | ok , so operate in what sense ? to have headsets or what ? |
| 09:24.23 | bhima | keep a headset connected, accept incoming OBEX pushes. |
| 09:24.46 | bhima | In my normal use patterns with a BA running linux, it would probably never really be off. |
| 09:24.54 | rob_w-cgi | i only see a way to toggle the wake up via bluetooth |
| 09:25.17 | bhima | I don't know that much about dyntick, but it basically lowers CPU power usage when the system isn't doing stuff. idle is low power. |
| 09:25.36 | rob_w-cgi | what cpu does 770 has ? |
| 09:25.40 | bhima | The 770 can do a week or so with a 1500 mAh under linux. |
| 09:25.51 | bhima | OMAP something or other, 220MHz. |
| 09:26.19 | bhima | When you close the lid, the display and wireless turn off, but the CPU doesn't change behaviour. |
| 09:26.22 | rob_w-cgi | hmm that is different to the ba , yet i can imagine to have different kind of CPU sleeps in the ba hardware |
| 09:27.09 | rob_w-cgi | i think what you want is a flawless wake up on a call and smooth reconnect to any know headset |
| 09:27.44 | rob_w-cgi | but there we only need the wake up on the arriving call , which we do already and then adjust the gpeimage to reconnect back in a proper time window |
| 09:28.36 | bhima | But wouldn't it be easier if you could just leave it on? :) |
| 09:30.01 | rob_w-cgi | but then it empty`s the battery |
| 09:30.03 | bhima | Koen is the resident dutch kernel hacker on #maemo, and he says that dyntick and cpufreq are operating on the xscale. Using those may be enough to get the BA to have comparable battery life. |
| 09:30.17 | rob_w-cgi | hmm |
| 09:30.43 | bhima | it woul be easier. if it results in the device sucking battery, that would be bad of course. |
| 09:31.07 | rob_w-cgi | i can have some chats with koen, i know him |
| 09:31.27 | bhima | But IMHO, reducing the operating power usage would be a lot easier than special-casing wakeup stuff. |
| 09:31.53 | rob_w-cgi | yes and no i think |
| 12:34.19 | magnet | hi |
| 12:35.40 | rob_w-cgi | hi magnet |
| 12:44.08 | magnet | ummm oe is strange. |
| 12:44.25 | magnet | it putted cross gcc in built/tmp/bin . |
| 14:14.04 | rob_w-cgi | and ? |
| 14:38.01 | magnet | that just sound strange to me. |
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| 17:42.08 | oho | Hello, is there a designated mailing list for the project ? |
| 17:58.24 | pH5 | oho: blueangel? not that i know of. |
| 18:01.35 | oho | pH5: so how is the progress co-ordinated ? I looked at the wiki which is pretty good and upto date, so I presume that's the way they do it |
| 18:12.19 | pH5 | oho: i guess. and have a look at the forums: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=20670&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=200 |
| 18:12.42 | oho | thank you |
| 18:13.21 | oho | just interesting to see that every project is doing it differently ;-) |
| 18:15.44 | pH5 | that's true :) |
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| 20:41.16 | immolo | damn it |
| 20:41.28 | immolo | fam083 defaults to gcc4 |
| 20:45.02 | immolo | time to switch it back to 3.4.4 |
| 20:47.45 | magnet | hi guys. |
| 20:48.06 | magnet | immolo did you tried compiling xanadu-ba for pxa27x ? |
| 20:49.43 | immolo | yes |
| 20:50.00 | immolo | it worked before I realised the ba is a pxa26x |
| 20:50.26 | magnet | I'm getting errors regarding the pxa27*.o |
| 20:50.36 | immolo | when building? |
| 20:50.38 | magnet | yep |
| 20:50.52 | magnet | I tried to choose another cpu to test, it seems to work. |
| 20:50.54 | immolo | have you modified the machine config |
| 20:51.08 | immolo | pxa27x is still in work progress |
| 20:51.18 | magnet | not yet, I just wish to try to compile a kernel with oe. |
| 20:51.33 | immolo | the machine config bitbake uses |
| 20:52.11 | magnet | oh yea. |
| 20:52.43 | magnet | I putted 'blueangel' |
| 20:54.18 | immolo | and what directory are you building in |
| 20:54.25 | pH5 | work in progress? the ipaq hx4700 is pxa270 based. and oe kernels compile just fine for this device. |
| 20:54.40 | magnet | in ~/files/oe/build/ |
| 20:54.57 | immolo | pH5- err I'm thinking of the gpe hx4700 image :P |
| 20:55.11 | magnet | pH5: woot, so I should change my bitbake config ? |
| 20:56.38 | pH5 | immolo: ok, i know that there are some bits missing (pxa27x_udc + gadgets), but there shouldn't be any compilation errors. |
| 20:57.12 | magnet | I'll use ipaq-pxa270 as machine so. |
| 20:57.18 | immolo | pH5- most of the stuff I read was on oe mailing lists so it could be old info |
| 21:00.11 | pH5 | are there other pxa272 based devices besides the htc magician? |
| 21:17.53 | magnet | what is hx4700 kernel ? |
| 21:18.07 | magnet | pH5: none I know. |
| 21:18.27 | pH5 | magnet: i don't understand |
| 21:19.10 | magnet | pH5: you told that oe's kernel compile fine for ipaq hx4700 |
| 21:19.28 | pH5 | ah. handhelds-pxa-2.6 |
| 21:19.53 | magnet | thanks. |
| 21:19.57 | pH5 | 2.6.12-hh3 is tested, i'm fighting with 2.6.13-hh1 atm, though. |
| 21:20.06 | magnet | I'll try to build it |
| 21:20.55 | pH5 | but i'm quite sure that it won't run on the magician like this |
| 21:21.23 | magnet | which kernel should I so ? ba ? |
| 21:24.54 | pH5 | magnet: i think we have to sit down and write our own code in arch/arm/mach-pxa/magician. |
| 21:25.18 | magnet | hehe. |
| 21:26.04 | pH5 | did you compare in the wiki if the gpios of magician and blueangel are set up similar? |
| 21:26.17 | magnet | nop. |
| 21:26.24 | magnet | I'll do it now |
| 21:30.47 | magnet | they are different. |
| 21:37.34 | pH5 | magnet: hm. do you have a good idea how to proceed? |
| 21:37.42 | magnet | no. |
| 21:37.48 | magnet | I'm very new to this. |
| 21:38.46 | immolo | if one of you are willing to tell me a bit about the magician I'll write a machine config up |
| 21:39.05 | magnet | immolo: just ask me. |
| 21:39.49 | immolo | cool, you will need to test for me though and the kernel will be based on the ba until someone makes a magician kernel |
| 21:40.02 | pH5 | immolo: yeah, i'd really appreciate some help. i was planning to copy the hx4700 or hx2750 core file and start from there. |
| 21:40.33 | magnet | I'll test :) |
| 21:41.09 | immolo | pH5- well I'll write a quick config as it it will be simlar to the ba I first wrote when I thought it also had a pxa27x chip |
| 21:41.24 | immolo | you can then edit as needed |
| 21:41.28 | pH5 | immolo: that'd be great. |
| 21:41.47 | pH5 | what do you need to know for starting? |
| 21:41.58 | immolo | cool, well I'm just going to check my gpe-image is building then I will start |
| 21:42.22 | immolo | not sure yet give me a second |
| 21:47.09 | immolo | pH5- do you know how to force oe to use gcc3.4.4 |
| 21:47.53 | pH5 | immolo: actually, i'm using gcc3.4.4 without having changed anything (org.openembedded.dev branch) |
| 21:48.07 | immolo | I'm in the fam083 branch |
| 21:49.13 | pH5 | familiar-0.8.3.conf contains PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross ?= "3.4.4" here. |
| 21:49.46 | immolo | which builds gcc4 for me |
| 21:51.01 | pH5 | strange. and your DISTRO in local.conf is "familiar-0.8.3"? |
| 21:52.24 | immolo | yes |
| 21:53.47 | pH5 | I'd ask on #oe (or if in a hurry, move the gcc4 .bb out of the way) |
| 21:53.55 | immolo | good idea |
| 21:55.58 | immolo | moving did the job |
| 21:56.09 | immolo | I just dislike gcc4 very much |
| 21:56.10 | pH5 | brute force :) |
| 21:56.50 | immolo | ok now to work on a magician config |
| 21:58.41 | immolo | whats the flash size of the magician |
| 21:58.57 | immolo | total flash not just what ce shows |
| 21:59.41 | pH5 | that's a pxa272 with 64m integrated flash |
| 22:17.09 | immolo | ok cool |
| 22:17.25 | immolo | I had to check on the kid but I'm back now |
| 22:25.56 | immolo | pH5- can you accept dcc? |
| 22:29.28 | pH5 | immolo: hmm... seems not to be the case. i accepted, but there's no data coming in. this is gaim 1.5.1 |
| 22:30.15 | immolo | got anywhere I can upload? |
| 22:32.40 | pH5 | pastebin.ca? |
| 22:34.32 | immolo | not very good but |
| 22:34.34 | immolo | http://pastebin.ca/27196 |
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| 22:34.53 | cp15 | Good morning |
| 22:34.59 | immolo | evening |
| 22:35.06 | pH5 | hi cp15 |
| 22:35.18 | cp15 | Hi everybody |
| 22:35.35 | magnet | hi |
| 22:37.41 | pH5 | immolo: thanks :) |
| 22:38.16 | immolo | should get you started you just need to edit to make sure it fits you device better |
| 22:38.18 | pH5 | cp15: when booting from haret, I don't need to set up the gpios, is that correct? |
| 22:38.44 | cp15 | Correct, they should work as they are for the first tries |
| 22:42.32 | magnet | can I do something to help ? |
| 22:43.41 | immolo | cp15- I found out a small problem that may of coursed some problems in the build |
| 22:43.58 | immolo | I had the distro linked to an old version :P |
| 22:44.34 | cp15 | Old version of what? |
| 22:44.45 | immolo | of the fam083.conf |
| 22:44.54 | immolo | so it was using old software |
| 22:45.13 | cp15 | Ah... And now you have fixed the error and everything works fine? |
| 22:45.32 | immolo | I have to rebuild to get everthing uptodate |
| 22:46.04 | cp15 | Is in UK tomorrow also a holiday? |
| 22:46.09 | immolo | had a small issue that oe wanted to build with gcc4 |
| 22:46.10 | immolo | no |
| 22:46.21 | immolo | we only have mondays |
| 22:47.07 | immolo | unless xmas and boxing day fall on a week day |
| 22:47.37 | cp15 | Really? How many? In germany (and especially in bavaria) we have lot of holidays, some at fixed weekdays related to easter, some at fixed dates |
| 22:47.43 | pH5 | magnet: as soon as i've got something that is compilable, i'll send it your way. |
| 22:47.47 | pH5 | good night |
| 22:47.51 | cp15 | Good night |
| 22:47.55 | immolo | night |
| 22:48.02 | magnet | night. |
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| 22:48.19 | magnet | I'd like to help in the dev,if I can. |
| 22:48.32 | immolo | we have bank hoilday mondays which are always around the same time |
| 22:49.27 | cp15 | magnet: I am afraid there will be much work to do, since I don't expect the framebuffer to work at the first try |
| 22:49.40 | immolo | I think we have 10 of those a year but I never really counted |
| 22:50.09 | cp15 | 10 is fine, that might be even more than we have |
| 22:50.32 | immolo | I could be wrong though |
| 22:50.44 | cp15 | In germany the number of holidays varies from year to year, since the fixed date ones might fall on weekend |
| 22:51.04 | immolo | ah we change ours to be the following monday |
| 22:51.57 | immolo | eg if xmas was on a saturday we would have sat,sun and mon off |
| 22:52.02 | immolo | and maybe tues |
| 22:52.50 | immolo | and this year I get the first and second of janaury off :D |
| 22:53.48 | immolo | but I don't really pay attention I just like the time off |
| 22:57.03 | cp15 | oho: Are you listening? |
| 22:59.33 | cp15 | Doesn't look like |
| 23:05.55 | immolo | anyway I'm off to bed too |
| 23:07.01 | cp15 | Good night |
| 23:26.12 | cp15 | Time for bed for me too. Good night |