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14:00.22ferrett1968i'm trying to install familiar on BlueAngel and last time cp15 helped me, can you please help me?
14:26.33ferrett1968hi everybody, is there anyone who can help me installing familiar on BlueAngel?
14:27.51ferrett1968scusate, qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi ad installare Familiar su un BlueAngel?
14:35.40ferrett1968is there anybody who can help me?
14:53.14ferrett1968anyone online?
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14:57.23ferrett1968hi everybody, is there anyone who can help me installing familiar on BlueAngel?
15:18.27ferrett1968did anyone see cp15?
15:19.22bhimaNot recently, I don't think :(
15:22.08ferrett1968i was told by him how to install familiar on BlueAngel
15:22.19ferrett1968but i can't understand some linux commands
15:22.23ferrett1968can you help me?
15:22.32bhimaPotentially...
15:24.27ferrett1968ok
15:24.40bhimaask and I'll see what I can do.
15:24.51ferrett1968have you been able to see the xserver of gpe on your BA?
15:25.27bhimaNo, but I haven't used a recent image. :(
15:25.36ferrett1968cp15 told me step to step how to install gpe on BA
15:25.59ferrett1968if you need it i have the one witch was on handhelds until yesterday
15:26.18ferrett1968it's 50 megs
15:26.58ferrett1968if you want i'll send you the file with the instructions i copyed from the chat
15:27.02ferrett1968with cp15
15:28.15ferrett1968what we saw is that the tar package doesn't work on the image
15:29.24bhimaSure.
15:29.59ferrett1968ok , as i'm a newby in xirc
15:30.04ferrett1968tell me how to do it
15:30.18ferrett1968i never used xirc or mirc before
15:30.57ferrett1968just used to ask for familiar on BA
15:31.34bhimaI haven't used them either. :)
15:31.43ferrett1968GREAT
15:32.01ferrett1968SO
15:32.32ferrett1968i've been able to connect via usbnet on the device started in familiar initrd zImage
15:33.26ferrett1968i parted the sd card in 2 partitions
15:33.42ferrett1968the 1st 16 Mb FAT
15:33.57ferrett1968the 2nd in etx3 (id 83)
15:34.05ferrett1968are you there?
15:34.14bhimaYes, I'm here.
15:34.45ferrett1968anythings ok?
15:35.04ferrett1968if you prefer i'll send you the commands
15:35.23bhimaI don't have the installation instructions handy; that sounds right. Did you do FAT16 or FAT32?
15:35.36ferrett1968id 6 FAT 16
15:35.57bhimaand mkfs was also told fat26?
15:36.02bhimafat16, even
15:36.32ferrett1968mkfs.msdos /dev/mmc/bl0k/part1
15:37.09bhimaI _thought_ that I did it with vfat and told it FAT16, but I'm possibly confusing the blueangel and the h6300.
15:38.02ferrett1968BlueAngel is also htc imate pda2k
15:38.10bhimaYeah.
15:38.25bhimaI have one of them, and I also have an iPaq h6315
15:38.48ferrett1968i'm sending you the file
15:40.45bhimaHrm. DCC isn't working. But then, I don't use it often, so maybe I've forgotten.
15:41.50bhimahmm. I think I need to register my nick.
15:41.55ferrett1968yeah
15:42.46bhimathere we go.
15:43.47ferrett1968will i try?
15:44.28ferrett1968shall we try again?
15:44.38bhima*** Unable to create connection: (-12) [107] Connection was not successful
15:44.38bhima(may have been reset)
15:45.36bhimasame thing. It's possible that this obnoxious university blocks relevant ports or something similarly lame...
15:45.49ferrett1968ok
15:46.00ferrett1968i can copy and post it but
15:46.06ferrett1968accept a pvc
15:46.37bhimaSame error.
15:46.45ferrett1968ok
15:46.49ferrett1968how can i do?
15:47.01bhimapastebin? :)
15:47.33ferrett1968no no
15:47.41ferrett1968just follow this link
15:47.44ferrett1968http://rapidshare.de/files/6611164/installa_familiar_su_Blue_Angel.txt.html
15:47.53ferrett1968tell me when you've done
15:48.45bhimagod it.
15:48.47bhimagot, even.
15:49.03bhimaSo, what stage are you at, and what goes wrong?
15:49.18ferrett1968ANYTHING!!!!! :-)
15:49.22ferrett1968:-)
15:49.24ferrett1968no
15:49.26ferrett1968i mean
15:49.40ferrett1968is the eleventh time i do all but i doesn't work
15:49.58bhimaso at what point does it do something other than what you expect?
15:50.15ferrett1968have you the file in front of you?
15:50.18bhimaYes.
15:50.21ferrett1968well
15:50.31ferrett1968i do anything but
15:50.37ferrett1968when i try to untar
15:50.48ferrett1968i find the tar pack is bugged
15:50.54ferrett1968so what i did is
15:51.24ferrett1968scp -r * root@192.168.0.206
15:51.54ferrett1968copying all the tree of the untarred tar.bz file of the gpe image on the second partition
15:51.59ferrett1968in /mnt
15:52.05ferrett1968before chroot it
15:52.27ferrett1968i recreate the links that can't be copied
15:52.33ferrett1968....
15:52.35ferrett1968however
15:52.44ferrett1968will you be here later?
15:52.47bhima"the tar pack is bugged"?
15:52.54ferrett1968yes
15:53.12ferrett1968it sais that the file is not a tar file
15:53.19bhimawhich file?
15:53.31ferrett1968so the tar in the image doesn't seem to work
15:53.52ferrett1968the gpe.imagefile.tar.bz i downloaded from handhelds
15:54.07ferrett1968but in my pc linux box it works
15:54.19bhimayou get an error message from tar? what message?
15:54.34ferrett1968oh i don' remember
15:54.46ferrett1968but it says it's not a tar file
15:54.56ferrett1968so i
15:55.08ferrett1968untarred the file in my pc linux box
15:55.09bhimaHow did you get it to the device? did you try un-bzip2'ing it?
15:55.12ferrett1968and i sent it
15:55.43ferrett1968in the bzip2 file there is a tar and tar doesn't work
15:55.57bhimaI'd be surprised if the tar executable would be corrupted in a way that would correctly display textual messages but wouldn't crash.
15:56.07ferrett1968so i sent all the directory tree
15:56.18ferrett1968and i recreate the links
15:56.29bhimaThat sounds very error-prone.
15:56.38bhimaWhy not send a working copy of 'tar' if tar is the problem?
15:56.52ferrett1968where is it?
15:56.58ferrett1968a tar.ipk?
15:57.40ferrett1968however, will i find you later in chat?
15:57.57ferrett1968IN FEW MINUTES I'LL HAVE TO GO AND I'LL BE BACK THIS EVENING
15:58.13bhimaPerhaps, I can't promise though. I will be out of town starting early tomorrow morning.
15:58.39ferrett1968but tomorrow it's sunday
15:58.48ferrett1968do you work on sunday?
15:59.05bhimaNo. I drive to Berlin for a few days. :)
15:59.10ferrett1968oh
15:59.11bhimaI am at work now, though.
15:59.24ferrett1968oh
15:59.47bhimaI program for the blueangel for work; I'm switching over from wince to linux right now.
16:00.22ferrett1968and if i tell you that in few minutes i'll have to bottle the beer i brewed my own, i feel so guilty knowing you're at work ;-)
16:00.44bhimahehehe. 's ok. Work buys me lots of nifty toys.
16:00.55bhimawork right now involves hacking root on my Nokia 770. :)
16:00.55ferrett1968i can understand
16:01.00ferrett1968:-)
16:01.17ferrett1968let's keep in contact!!!
16:01.21ferrett1968:-)
16:01.25ferrett1968great job
16:01.28bhimaI'll be on this channel for awhile.
16:01.36ferrett1968i'll have to go
16:01.42bhimaenjoy the beer.
16:01.49ferrett1968hope to meet you later
16:02.07ferrett1968i'll let the channel open so if you want to
16:02.28ferrett1968write something about the procedure now you have, you can do it
16:02.58ferrett1968ok  bye
16:03.09bhima*wave* have fun.
16:03.11ferrett1968just a quest
16:03.27ferrett1968do you also own an Himalaya?
16:03.31ferrett1968i do
16:03.39ferrett1968so did you put
16:03.43ferrett1968familiar on it?
16:04.18ferrett1968ok bye
16:07.52bhimaI have a few iPaqs. 5555, 3100, h6300. They all run linux at least sometimes; the h6300 is very alpha-level.
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16:45.06immolodamn still no hh.org
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18:19.20immolohey rob
18:31.28rob_wgood evening
18:31.40bhima'evening.
18:32.32rob_whow is it going , everybody
18:32.51bhimaI'm playing with my shiny new Nokia 770. :)
18:34.01rob_wshiny ,, interesting
18:34.26rob_whow is the nokia ui
18:34.52bhimaNot bad. Very optimized for single apps taking over as much as possible.
18:35.28bhimaProbably more optimal for data viewing than for data editing - menus are somwaht hidden.
18:36.24rob_wsounds good
18:37.46rob_wwhat video player do they ship ?
18:38.28bhimaNot sure, actually. It uses the CPU's DSP.
18:39.33rob_wso dont they need library`s for mpeg n stuff and a ui ?
18:40.06bhimaYes. I just don't know what it is. It's also not open, unfortunately.
18:44.10rob_wdo you know its target pricing
18:44.40rob_wfunny the OS on nokia.com is called " Operating system
18:44.40rob_w<PROTECTED>
18:51.23bhima~Eu350. It runs linux, with customized gtk stuff.
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19:57.29ferrett1968bhima: have you seen the commands cp15 gave me?
19:57.32ferrett1968any suggest?
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20:10.57JuNuKN41Hello ferret, how far are you with your BA GPE Installation? Does it work? I am thinking on buying als a BA :o)
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20:13.39JuNuKNOnly a test (... Will see, whether Miranda will also work for me in IRC ...)
20:14.37JuNuKN41works ... :o)
20:16.12bhimaHe was having trouble with tar not working, and tried to do everything manually, and it failed.
20:19.10JuNuKN41Oh, shit, that seems the thing, i followed a few days ago between him and cp15! I thought he can gave me a view more impressions of the status ..
20:21.52JuNuKN41So has somebody else quiet in use a complete Linux on the device? Is it enduser prepared now? Some simle Telefon-Application, whitout the need of a shell for a call, ... or how is it present at the current state?
20:22.42Funklordit's in development
20:22.47bhimaIt's not end-user ready last I heard. Installation is somewhat "interesting" :)
20:23.18Funklordonce power mgmt an wlan is working I think someone will release a more complete image
20:23.36Funklords/an /and /
20:25.14bhimaahh, I forgot power management wasn't working. That's a bit of an impediment.
20:26.03Funklordno need to put down your war axe, there's still plenty to test
20:26.07Funklord=)
20:31.54JuNuKN41OK, from the powermanagement I have also heard from cp15 ... needs two charges a day ....
20:34.06JuNuKN41And I have also googled on the Nokia .... nice Tablet!  Sad, that no telephone is integrated....
20:34.42bhimatelephone == heavier, more expensive, slower to market :(
20:35.42Funklordbah
20:35.58JuNuKN41I think the price would not be much bigger, because the Phone-part should be as cheap as a cheap phone! Heavy is correct ;o(
20:38.12Funklorda phone doesn't need to be heavier, it's the display/mem/ackumulator that take most space and mass
20:38.16JuNuKN41But with bluetooth headphone it would be a nice tool ... also for me! I think HTC Universal for around 799.-Euro isn't cheap as well, ... and I mean it is not so hipp as the nokia is with its 800x480 Pixel and so on.
20:38.39Funklordfor each "feature" there is a price tag
20:38.49Funklordmarketing dep. decides that
20:40.08Funklordif everyone was forced to sell the hardware without OS like PCs, you'd notice a more justified pricing scheme
20:40.39bhimaIt's a lot harder with embedded systems, though.
20:41.11Funklordnot really, it's just that they are trying to lock the market
20:41.47Funklordyou have product A, B and C to choose from, (which are basically the same)
20:42.11bhimaWHich ones are like that?
20:42.15FunklordHTC
20:42.15JuNuKN41In gearmany the Universal will cost around 799Euro without phone contract! I have heard, that in UK by O2, the phone will cost 139Pounds ... 200Euro with some Contract. ... no one there who needs a contract there and will sell the phone to me? On the BA the screen with 320x240 seems a little bit lousy to me (still have a wallaby!)
20:43.34FunklordJuNuKN41: usually, with the contract the price will remain the same
20:43.43bhimaErm. That has nothing to do with the OS...
20:44.30bhimaYou can buy them subsidized in Germany from o2, Vodafone or T-Mobile.
20:45.41Funklordthere's a reason why product bundling is illegal in some countries
20:45.50JuNuKN41Not the universal from O2 at the moment! And the T-Mobiles are simlocked.
20:46.14Funklordif you can prove phone + os = 2 products, it would be illegal to sell it here
20:46.33Funklordor, to not sell them separate
20:46.42bhimaI didn't think that contract phones were simlocked in Germany.
20:47.00bhimaSelling them separately wouldn't really help very much, sadly.
20:47.20bhimabundling is different to subisidies, though.
20:47.27JuNuKN41Yes they are simlocked! With the universal of T-Mobile, If you buy it with a contract, it is locket to their Net.
20:47.58bhimaMost UK phones are simlocked AFAIK.
20:48.58JuNuKN41So everybody here has a BA ?
20:49.24FunklordI have atari 2600
20:49.47Funklordit's almost similar
20:50.43JuNuKN41I know! But BA is more expensive!  ;o)  isn't this a pro?
20:51.44JuNuKN41Ah I forgot, the BA  has also a batterie! OK, I would prefere it therefore ;o)
21:03.25JuNuKN41Have somebody heard from further plans of HTC and a possible follower of the Universal? Is there something known about, what will come next from them?
21:15.06JuNuKN41OK , good night!

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