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| 19:13.55 | JuNuKN | Are am allone here today? |
| 19:13.59 | immolo | bhima- Do you know what version of gcc cp15 compiled the kernel and his initrd with |
| 19:14.06 | immolo | no :P |
| 19:14.14 | immolo | just very idle |
| 19:15.37 | JuNuKN | What about your new distri ... you started yesterday? |
| 19:15.47 | immolo | I started last week |
| 19:16.00 | immolo | it's finished in an alpha kinda sense |
| 19:16.32 | immolo | just need to work out what VT I need to use for X |
| 19:16.40 | JuNuKN | What does this mean? Is it installable and usable on the ba with an UI ? |
| 19:17.08 | JuNuKN | What meens VT ? |
| 19:17.23 | immolo | virtual terminal |
| 19:18.37 | immolo | if you want to help me by testing out my kernel it may get usable faster |
| 19:19.01 | JuNuKN | sounds complicaty (no linux neby stuff!) By the way, I tried today, to start the old wallaby kernel on my wallaby. But by an error in linexec it doesnt work |
| 19:19.16 | immolo | whats the error |
| 19:19.46 | JuNuKN | It is fixed to american devices only and searches the params.txt under storage card, where I have Speicherkarte on mine! |
| 19:20.04 | immolo | ah |
| 19:20.19 | immolo | I live in the UK so I've never seen such issues |
| 19:21.08 | immolo | and I only know one wallby dev |
| 19:21.13 | immolo | *wallaby |
| 19:21.33 | JuNuKN | There is a placeholder in MSC++ for this kind of stuff, to be used. Don't remember now the correct name, but If somebody may correct it in CVS and compiles it for me, I am willing to test it again. |
| 19:22.23 | immolo | I just build distros :P I leave that stuff for people that know what they are doing |
| 19:22.40 | JuNuKN | I have taken / tried to use the kernel 2.6 from handehelds moin/moin site of wallaby. |
| 19:22.57 | immolo | they made a 2.6 for the wallaby :o |
| 19:23.38 | JuNuKN | Yes, in the handheld-page it can be found ... so xda-developers is not actuall in that purpose |
| 19:24.22 | JuNuKN | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTCWallaby |
| 19:24.52 | immolo | can you save a params.txt on your host and copy via synce? |
| 19:25.21 | JuNuKN | I did it with card reader on a sd card |
| 19:25.49 | JuNuKN | (I am using mostly WIn on my PC) |
| 19:26.43 | immolo | heh I don't think any htc device is ready for those starting on linux |
| 19:27.05 | immolo | but you need to learn somewhere :P |
| 19:27.29 | immolo | as far as I knew the wallaby just booted up and you could ssh in |
| 19:28.05 | JuNuKN | Yes also FB , seriell usb and ethernet over usb works. |
| 19:28.19 | JuNuKN | Status is shown on refered site |
| 19:28.37 | immolo | the himalaya was pretty much the same when I tried it |
| 19:29.04 | JuNuKN | Don't know how much els is needed to start working with it ... ignoring the phone for a view weeks |
| 19:30.02 | immolo | so you can boot into the device? |
| 19:30.10 | immolo | and ssh |
| 19:30.51 | JuNuKN | yes, this should be possible, but on my device linexec doesn't load! |
| 19:30.59 | immolo | if youcan get in I may have an idea of getting some X |
| 19:31.51 | JuNuKN | This would be fine, but I think at least some SD-Card access should also be needed! |
| 19:32.06 | immolo | you will need sd as well :P |
| 19:32.59 | JuNuKN | It should be possible to use a nfs filesystem as well .... but that is too much for me right now |
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| 19:34.41 | immolo | hmm so can you write a file on the pda which linexec understands? |
| 19:34.42 | JuNu_KN | soory, was thrown out by switching back to wireless |
| 19:34.42 | immolo | heh I hate wireless |
| 19:34.44 | immolo | the only reason I keep it is for my pda |
| 19:36.36 | JuNu_KN | I write it under linux or windows with a linux-editor .... but My Device doesn't have the path, Linexec is hardcoded to ookn for it! |
| 19:37.43 | immolo | how about if I was to write and dcc it to you then you can just drop in on to the sd know there is no issues |
| 19:37.47 | JuNu_KN | *look in a special path for it |
| 19:39.10 | immolo | I don't know what Storage Card is in german though :P |
| 19:39.44 | JuNu_KN | ? Linexec has to be changed, recompiled and be put onto the card! |
| 19:40.34 | JuNu_KN | Path to storage card is "\\Speicherkarte" |
| 19:41.39 | immolo | \Speicherkarte\Image |
| 19:41.39 | immolo | \Speicherkarte\initrd.gz |
| 19:41.43 | immolo | does that not work? |
| 19:42.49 | JuNu_KN | only \Speicherkarte\params.txt is needed in the file tester1.cpp of linexec of cvs |
| 19:43.42 | immolo | I meant inside the params.txt |
| 19:45.20 | immolo | because surly linexec just looks for the params.txt file in the same directory it is in |
| 19:46.30 | JuNu_KN | there everythnk can be modified by me as well, taht it matches to my needs, but not, where to search for this file! |
| 19:47.16 | JuNu_KN | No, it seems, that it not searching there |
| 19:48.30 | immolo | I guess modifing the source is the only way then |
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| 20:08.57 | JuNuKN | with which tools are you accessing irc? i am new in irc, and missing the history function! mIRC |
| 20:10.25 | immolo | I use xchat |
| 20:10.42 | immolo | it's not gpl on windows |
| 20:11.21 | JuNuKN | does it has the possibilities to save the history of your chats? doesn't opera support IRC as well? |
| 20:11.37 | immolo | mIRC supports logging |
| 20:13.32 | JuNuKN | thanks , I think I have found it now ... |
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| 20:27.29 | cp15 | Good morning |
| 20:29.13 | JuNuKN | Good evening, ... I 'll start with my news. |
| 20:29.28 | cp15 | Ok, go on |
| 20:30.59 | JuNuKN | I have tested now to start the wallaby 2.6 Kernel on my Wallaby-device. But it seems that Linexec does not work for me, because it is hardcoded to serach the params.txt file in the englisch "storage card" location, where I have an german device "Speicherkarte". |
| 20:31.54 | cp15 | Aha. Have you already tried haret? It should do the same as linexec and searchs startup.txt in the directory where it has been started |
| 20:31.58 | JuNuKN | It is in the file tester1.cpp in xanadux cvs . Can you correct it sometimes to use the universal placeholder for this location? |
| 20:33.00 | JuNuKN | I have tried the 2.6 kernel with the files and like described here http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTCWallaby |
| 20:33.12 | cp15 | What do you mean with "universal placeholder"? |
| 20:34.07 | JuNuKN | In MSC++ there is a kind of extern Constant for that location to be used. Don't remember the correct name of it.. |
| 20:34.55 | JuNuKN | It is delivered with the OS and localizes the My documents and "storage Card" |
| 20:35.06 | immolo | ah the man of the moment |
| 20:35.36 | JuNuKN | By the Way, I don't know, whther I can use your Haret also, or whetre it may damage my device? |
| 20:36.01 | immolo | any luck with booting that image cp15? |
| 20:38.34 | cp15 | immolo: I am sorry, I haven't tried yet. Had to do other work today |
| 20:38.52 | immolo | ok, thats fine |
| 20:38.59 | cp15 | Have you tried? |
| 20:39.15 | immolo | yeah my kernel doesn't work with your initrd |
| 20:39.32 | cp15 | What errors/problems do you encounter? |
| 20:40.23 | immolo | modprobe failed 2.6.12-hh2 g_ether gcc-3.3 should be armv5e gcc-3.4 |
| 20:40.29 | immolo | or something simlar |
| 20:40.46 | immolo | I need to boot linux again to double check the whole message |
| 20:41.18 | immolo | you need it or do you get the idea? |
| 20:41.29 | cp15 | Ah... Ok, I know the problem |
| 20:41.43 | immolo | my fault? |
| 20:41.48 | cp15 | No, mine |
| 20:42.01 | immolo | heh :P |
| 20:42.33 | cp15 | I am using a older compiler which creates incompatible kernels/modules for kernel/modules created with a newer compiler |
| 20:42.44 | immolo | ah |
| 20:42.52 | cp15 | So I will also get the problem. |
| 20:42.53 | immolo | blame me for liking 3.4 :P |
| 20:43.02 | cp15 | But you can fix it |
| 20:43.31 | cp15 | Unpack the ramdisk, remove /lib/modules and copy /lib/modules from your image into the ramdisk |
| 20:43.42 | cp15 | Then re-pack the ramdisk |
| 20:43.59 | immolo | damn it :P and there I was making a new initrd :P |
| 20:44.13 | immolo | ok and how about the VT issue |
| 20:44.24 | immolo | I guess VT0 is the wrong one to use |
| 20:45.05 | cp15 | It is probably irrelevant and the real cause is something else |
| 20:45.20 | cp15 | I will check whether I get it |
| 20:46.01 | immolo | ok well I'll test what I have now and then we can see what needs fixing once I'm fully into linux I can work out this problems easier |
| 20:46.29 | immolo | but seeings as my ba is my main phone I need to switch back to wince pretty quick if it fails |
| 20:47.33 | cp15 | I know that problem :-) |
| 20:47.40 | immolo | hehe |
| 20:48.49 | cp15 | No, I don't get that error message. |
| 20:49.27 | immolo | ok well let me see how everything goes |
| 20:49.35 | cp15 | Can you do a strace next time and send it to me? |
| 20:49.36 | immolo | maybe it's nothing |
| 20:50.35 | immolo | oh I forgot to install gomunitor to the image you have :P |
| 20:54.52 | immolo | anyway I'll be back in alittle while, I'm going to test this all out and grab some food |
| 20:56.00 | immolo | oh great |
| 20:56.12 | immolo | I think gcc3.4 breaks the kernel |
| 20:56.21 | cp15 | Why? |
| 20:56.40 | immolo | every module that loads gets unknown symbols |
| 20:57.01 | cp15 | For example? |
| 20:57.29 | immolo | g_ether failed unknown symbol or parameter |
| 20:57.44 | immolo | see dmesg |
| 20:58.06 | cp15 | Can you see the kernel messages? |
| 20:58.12 | immolo | no |
| 20:58.48 | cp15 | That is a bit unfortunate |
| 20:59.01 | immolo | i know :P |
| 20:59.12 | immolo | you need to get the keyboard working :P |
| 20:59.32 | cp15 | I have already tried, but got nothing useable |
| 21:01.07 | cp15 | Can you send me your initrd and kernel also? |
| 21:01.22 | immolo | you managed to find the keyboards connection to the device? |
| 21:01.42 | cp15 | I will try your setup tomorrow |
| 21:01.53 | immolo | ok cool |
| 21:02.35 | cp15 | Yes, there is a keyboard controller (probably the pic processor) connected to the ASIC3 SPI port |
| 21:03.10 | immolo | ah as last I'm read the forum cr2 said he found pretty much everything but the keyboard |
| 21:03.28 | cp15 | The BA is a real multiprocessor device. It has at least 4 processors: X-Scale, GSM, ACX100 and PIC |
| 21:04.04 | immolo | I've never seen an embedded device with more then 2 |
| 21:04.44 | cp15 | And maybe bluetooth also, but I think it's processor isn't general purpose |
| 21:06.03 | immolo | oh one think I was going to ask you was you know with normal phones you can send bluetooth messages would it be eaiser enough to allow the ba to revice them also |
| 21:06.42 | cp15 | ? |
| 21:07.21 | immolo | never heard of it? |
| 21:07.50 | immolo | it's pretty much sms via bluetooth |
| 21:08.08 | cp15 | Ah, ok. It is probably a text file transfered via obex |
| 21:08.41 | cp15 | Obex works, I have already transferred an address card, but the import into the addressbook failed |
| 21:08.57 | immolo | nice |
| 21:09.07 | immolo | I only use bluetooth for transfer |
| 21:11.52 | JuNuKN | Sorry, that I interrupt again. But can I use the BA Haret also for wallaby without damaging my device to start a linux kernel? |
| 21:12.22 | cp15 | Ah, sorry JuNuKN, I forgot you. |
| 21:12.58 | cp15 | If you use haret just to boot linux, damaging something is close to impossible |
| 21:14.12 | JuNuKN | I thought you have changed something withn the absolute Adresses in it. Than I will test tomorrow and taste the smell of a first linux experience on my wallaby |
| 21:14.25 | cp15 | Thanks immolo, I will test it tommorrow, today I am too sleepy |
| 21:14.34 | immolo | JuNuKN- the feeling is great :D |
| 21:14.40 | JuNuKN | The BA is still to expencive ... used arround 350 Euro |
| 21:14.57 | immolo | cp15- oh did you notice is the xanadux bb is in .dev of oe? |
| 21:15.16 | cp15 | I havent updated for a long time. I will try |
| 21:15.20 | immolo | JuNuKN- drop it in the toilet like I did to my himalaya and claim the insurance |
| 21:15.27 | immolo | it's in in the oz tree |
| 21:15.37 | immolo | it's not in the oz tree rather |
| 21:18.50 | JuNuKN | Oh no, It works perfect. Only the Wifi and sdio is missing. |
| 21:19.51 | immolo | mine did too until I dropped it :P |
| 21:20.44 | cp15 | immolo: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/openembedded/.message/5994778 |
| 21:21.49 | immolo | :D |
| 21:22.29 | JuNuKN | Was also the way of my old Sagem WA3050 ... it also dropped into the toilett, ... but after it was dry again ... it works again. So I sold it and bought the wallaby. This works perfect, until the LCD broke. Again sold and bought an second one used, which also worked perfect. |
| 21:23.08 | cp15 | The LCD in the HTC devices seem to be a very sensible part |
| 21:23.17 | immolo | JuNuKN- you don't need to drop a sagem to break it, |
| 21:23.36 | immolo | yeah they are well known in the UK for breaking easily |
| 21:23.58 | cp15 | I dropped my old zaurus several times without any harm |
| 21:24.02 | JuNuKN | Yes, in all PDAs. My PALM was also broken. So my wife said, I have spend enought money for now ;o) |
| 21:24.12 | immolo | cp15- in the toilet though? |
| 21:24.38 | immolo | JuNuKN- women just don't understand the need for gagets |
| 21:24.45 | cp15 | No, I don't use a PDA when being on the toilet :-) |
| 21:25.13 | immolo | you have never been drunk while using it then :P |
| 21:25.38 | immolo | well I say drunk, I was barly standing |
| 21:26.14 | JuNuKN | I am also not, but the Clip on the belt opened on pulling on the trousers again. And so I had to dive ;o) |
| 21:27.38 | JuNuKN | Ok, now it is time for me to go to bed. Perhaps hear you tomorrow. |
| 21:27.59 | immolo | night |
| 21:28.16 | immolo | I have things to do myself |
| 21:28.32 | immolo | my first day of my promtion tomorrow :D |
| 21:30.09 | cp15 | Did they also accept your kernel .bb? |
| 21:31.27 | immolo | yes |
| 21:31.35 | immolo | no problems with it |
| 21:32.13 | cp15 | If only monotone wouldn't be that slow |
| 21:32.25 | immolo | hehe |
| 21:32.36 | immolo | was bitkeeper any better? |
| 21:32.50 | cp15 | Don't know, normally I use cvs |
| 21:33.22 | immolo | didn't oe use bitkeeper instead of monotone? |
| 21:34.16 | cp15 | Yes, but I have never used oe in the bitkeeper times |
| 21:36.02 | immolo | I used it once when the nslu2 came out |
| 21:36.17 | immolo | I didn't like me |
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| 21:40.55 | JuNuKN | night |
| 21:41.02 | immolo | yeah night |
| 21:41.07 | immolo | I'm off now too |
| 21:42.20 | cp15 | Ok, will go to bed now, too |
| 21:44.08 | cp15 | Good night |
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