| 01:21.51 | immolo | finally :D it's built |
| 01:22.08 | immolo | time to do a quick backup and test |
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| 06:49.08 | rob_w-cgi | good morning to all |
| 06:49.48 | rob_w-cgi | seems we will have haret sound support soon |
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| 07:14.49 | cp15 | Good morning |
| 07:54.58 | geroo | good morning all |
| 07:55.04 | geroo | is there anybody can help me |
| 07:55.57 | cp15 | Depends on your problem. Just try it |
| 07:56.13 | bhima | good morning. |
| 07:57.22 | geroo | i have blue angel with WM05 |
| 07:59.11 | cp15 | There we got the problem already ;-) |
| 08:02.17 | cp15 | Hmm... Strange |
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| 08:06.27 | geroo | hello |
| 08:07.14 | geroo | sorry for disconnected |
| 08:08.39 | geroo | can anybody help me installing linux in my blueangel |
| 08:08.49 | cp15 | So, describe your problem (if it's WM05 related, you are probably out of luck) |
| 08:09.18 | cp15 | Ah, ok. I got one report haret doesn't work with WM05 |
| 08:09.36 | cp15 | Have you already tried? |
| 08:09.41 | geroo | ok i will restore to wm 2003 se |
| 08:09.47 | geroo | yes i tried |
| 08:10.01 | cp15 | To which state does it get? |
| 08:12.29 | geroo | it start the linux benguin |
| 08:12.33 | geroo | and stop |
| 08:12.57 | cp15 | Did the thermometer fill up? |
| 08:13.04 | cp15 | Did the eyes went red? |
| 08:13.05 | geroo | yes |
| 08:13.16 | cp15 | Did you need a hard reset after running it? |
| 08:13.38 | geroo | the eye start to be red and be wider but it not filled totaly with red |
| 08:13.48 | geroo | and i had to hard reset to get it work again |
| 08:13.51 | cp15 | Yes, thats ok |
| 08:14.18 | cp15 | Hmm... That means the kernel got at least loaded |
| 08:14.22 | rob_w-cgi | didnt know that ba is able for wm05 ?? |
| 08:15.03 | cp15 | HTC accidentially leaked a WM05 rom. It was full of problems, but the community managed to fix some of them |
| 08:15.19 | geroo | and i will list the files i loaded to the BA |
| 08:15.39 | rob_w-cgi | cp15 is it worth looking ? |
| 08:16.09 | cp15 | Don't know. For me: definetly not, I want Linux :-) |
| 08:16.17 | geroo | me |
| 08:16.18 | geroo | to |
| 08:16.23 | geroo | but i can not make it work |
| 08:16.29 | geroo | so what do you sugesst for me |
| 08:16.49 | geroo | shall i go back to wm03 |
| 08:17.13 | cp15 | Well, if you don't need WM05 make a downgrade. It's probably less trouble than trying to fix haret. |
| 08:17.20 | rob_w-cgi | geroo , go for a normal reset and make sure ACtive sync did not run at all .. yeah it does work for us |
| 08:17.57 | cp15 | Which zImage have you used? |
| 08:18.17 | geroo | 2.6.12 |
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| 08:18.54 | cp15 | From where downloaded? |
| 08:19.02 | geroo | from the wiki |
| 08:19.19 | geroo | zImage-2.6.12-hh2 |
| 08:19.51 | cp15 | Can you give me an url, just to be sure? |
| 08:19.59 | geroo | ok just a second |
| 08:22.34 | geroo | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelKernel |
| 08:25.43 | cp15 | You can try http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=zImage-2.6.12-hh2-2 |
| 08:26.25 | cp15 | which is a bit newer, but the problem is most likely WM05 related. |
| 08:28.17 | geroo | so i will downgrade first and try |
| 08:28.25 | geroo | i have another question |
| 08:28.58 | geroo | i have reformated the extended rom of my device and resize it to 128k instead of 15mb |
| 08:29.22 | geroo | shall i return to the normal size of the extended rom |
| 08:30.17 | cp15 | Not necessary for linux, it runs currently entirely from SD card |
| 08:30.41 | geroo | ok |
| 08:30.57 | geroo | the zimage size is 800kb is this ok |
| 08:31.13 | rob_w-cgi | cp15 is this sound haret already done `? |
| 08:31.24 | cp15 | geroo: Seems ok |
| 08:31.30 | geroo | ok thanks alot |
| 08:31.35 | geroo | god bless you all |
| 08:31.37 | cp15 | rob: Yes, take a look at the handhelds wiki |
| 08:31.56 | cp15 | geroo: One question from me |
| 08:32.23 | geroo | sure |
| 08:32.39 | cp15 | What happens if you resize the extended rom? Do you get a working windows immediately after the cut & paste excercise? |
| 08:33.05 | geroo | yes |
| 08:33.26 | geroo | it is a utility on xda-developer that resize and format the extended rom |
| 08:33.39 | cp15 | Ah, ok. Good to know |
| 08:33.39 | geroo | but first you have to unlock and unhide |
| 08:33.50 | geroo | then you repartition and format |
| 08:34.12 | geroo | i have another question |
| 08:34.20 | cp15 | I have already done this and changed the customization to boot linux :-) But it's easier to use autorun.exe |
| 08:34.42 | rob_w-cgi | great |
| 08:35.01 | rob_w-cgi | so only the haret.exe is needed no additonal paramteres .. |
| 08:35.03 | geroo | where shall i copy the files |
| 08:35.09 | geroo | any place on my pda |
| 08:35.16 | geroo | or shall be on a sd card |
| 08:35.43 | cp15 | It works from any place, but the recommended setup is as follows: |
| 08:36.14 | cp15 | Use a SD card, make 2 partitions on it, format the first one fat, the second one ext3 |
| 08:36.44 | cp15 | Place haret, startup.txt, kernel and initrd on the first partition in a folder linux |
| 08:37.49 | cp15 | create a folder 2577 on the first partition and put autorun.exe (download it from http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel) in this folder |
| 08:38.00 | rob_w-cgi | does it happen to you tha tthe ba wakes up after some sec .. |
| 08:38.21 | cp15 | This allows you to boot linux as soon as the SD card is inserted or the cut & paste excercise is completed |
| 08:38.28 | geroo | ok how can i do partitions on sd card |
| 08:38.51 | cp15 | Hmm... Does the initrd include fdisk... I have to check |
| 08:38.51 | rob_w-cgi | u chose fdisk |
| 08:39.22 | geroo | fdisk from the linux or windows |
| 08:39.24 | rob_w-cgi | no it doesnt and also not the needed mkfs.fat/ext2/3 |
| 08:39.29 | geroo | i did not try this before |
| 08:39.43 | cp15 | Maybe we should add mkfs and fdisk to initrd |
| 08:40.07 | cp15 | And maybe also a little script which auto-partitions and auto-formats the sd card |
| 08:40.12 | rob_w-cgi | hehe |
| 08:40.19 | geroo | or sahll i use linux operating system on my machine |
| 08:40.34 | rob_w-cgi | geroo , yeah go for that |
| 08:40.38 | cp15 | Do you have a sd card reader working on a linux machine? |
| 08:40.54 | geroo | no i have it working on my windows xp lap |
| 08:41.34 | rob_w-cgi | geroo with that you should be able to create 2 partitions but not format the 2nd with ext2 |
| 08:42.37 | rob_w-cgi | cp15 why cant i use sh inside the linuxrc .. i only can call gpe-dm direclty but not sh into some scripts like start scripts , then the kernel " attempts to kill init " |
| 08:43.59 | cp15 | Don't know, it should work |
| 08:44.18 | cp15 | geroo: Can you do dcc? |
| 08:47.09 | geroo | what is the dcc |
| 08:47.30 | cp15 | Direct client connect, used to transfer files between irc clients |
| 08:47.41 | geroo | i am sorry i am totaly have no experience in linux |
| 08:47.58 | cp15 | It's not a linux feature |
| 08:48.05 | geroo | ok |
| 08:48.13 | geroo | i got what you mean |
| 08:48.22 | geroo | and what you need to transfer |
| 08:48.44 | cp15 | Ok, then I will provide you a initrd which includes fdisk, mkfs.ext3 and mkfs.fat |
| 08:48.53 | geroo | great |
| 08:48.59 | cp15 | You can then partition the sd card from linux |
| 08:49.35 | cp15 | But you need either a linux host with usb to login via network or a serial cable |
| 08:50.19 | geroo | so what shall i do to get teh file |
| 08:50.51 | cp15 | You will get a requester, I have to prepare the file first, it will take a few minutes |
| 08:51.01 | geroo | ok take your time |
| 08:51.54 | geroo | while i am downgrading to wm03 |
| 08:53.02 | cp15 | Ok, but I request from one of you to write and publish a little documentation |
| 08:58.37 | geroo | i have another question |
| 08:58.48 | cp15 | Just ask |
| 08:58.55 | geroo | after i installthe linux on my pda |
| 08:59.05 | geroo | how i will synchronise with my pc |
| 09:00.22 | cp15 | I hope you are not too disappointed when I tell you that linux on the ba is still at a very early stage and synchronisation is a feature which does not yet work |
| 09:00.42 | cp15 | Which what master do you want to sync? |
| 09:00.47 | geroo | OK |
| 09:01.04 | geroo | IS THERE ANY BACKUP TOOLS WITH THE LINUX |
| 09:01.34 | cp15 | I use rsync, it works far better than the windows backup |
| 09:01.44 | cp15 | Which reminds me to let it run |
| 09:02.14 | geroo | and as i understand that i can switch to the wm03 when just unplug my sd card |
| 09:02.46 | cp15 | Yes, but it will require a hard reset |
| 09:02.54 | geroo | ok |
| 09:30.24 | cp15 | Ok, initrd is ready. Who wants it first? |
| 09:42.49 | rob_w-cgi | cp15 what is changed ? |
| 09:44.08 | cp15 | I have added fdisk, mkfs.ext2/3, mkfs.msdos/fat, fsck.ext2/3 and fsck.msdos/fat |
| 09:44.22 | cp15 | Shamelessly stolen from debian |
| 09:44.32 | rob_w-cgi | bastard |
| 09:44.45 | cp15 | Debian packages work quite nice on the blueangel |
| 09:45.05 | rob_w-cgi | yeah |
| 09:46.08 | geroo | I AM WAITING FOR THE INITRD |
| 09:46.46 | cp15 | Sorry, wrong click |
| 09:47.06 | geroo | OK RESEND |
| 09:47.49 | geroo | SORRY IT WAS REJECTED SEND AGAIN |
| 09:48.30 | cp15 | So, now you should see a file transfer request |
| 09:48.54 | geroo | YES THANKS |
| 09:49.36 | cp15 | It's still not transferring, you have to accept it |
| 09:50.31 | cp15 | Seems like it doesn't work |
| 09:50.33 | geroo | I ACCEPT BUT IT FAILED IN THE NEXT STAGE I DO NOT KNOW WHY |
| 09:50.49 | cp15 | I will put the initrd on the handhelds wiki |
| 09:50.55 | geroo | OK |
| 09:50.58 | geroo | MUCH BETTER |
| 09:51.45 | geroo | I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION CONCERNING THE CONTACTS AND CALENDAR, ARE THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE AFTER INSTALLING THE LINUX OR NOT |
| 09:53.17 | cp15 | If you download the root filesystem, yes, they will be available |
| 09:54.33 | cp15 | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=initrd-2.6.12-hh2.gz-3 |
| 09:56.34 | rob_w-cgi | geroo mind your CAPS LOCK |
| 10:03.55 | cp15 | I have modified the linuxrc in the initrd a bit |
| 10:04.32 | cp15 | You can specify boot_mmc=y in startup.txt to boot from sd card |
| 10:05.03 | cp15 | You can specify linuxrc_mountsrc and linuxrc_mountdst to mount a nfs filesystem and boot from nfs |
| 10:05.37 | cp15 | If you did none of them, it will boot from initrd |
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| 10:36.58 | geroo | if i do not have an SD card |
| 10:37.05 | geroo | what shall i do |
| 10:38.35 | geroo | i have a problem said that unable to mount root fs on unkown-block |
| 10:39.19 | cp15 | Ah, ok. Show me your startup.txt |
| 10:39.55 | cp15 | If you don't have an SD card you have three options |
| 10:40.03 | cp15 | 1. Go out and buy one |
| 10:40.35 | cp15 | 2. Use your linux host as nfs server and let it run from nfs (but you can't take it with you then) |
| 10:41.00 | cp15 | 3. Stick with the ramdisk, but you can't do anything useful |
| 10:42.32 | geroo | ok i will got one |
| 10:43.40 | cp15 | From which part of the world are you? |
| 10:43.49 | geroo | egypt |
| 10:43.56 | geroo | u think i am stuiped |
| 10:44.09 | cp15 | ? |
| 10:44.34 | geroo | this is my first time to deal with linux even on pc's i do not have any idea about that |
| 10:44.52 | geroo | so forgive me if i am asking suiped and simple things |
| 10:46.12 | cp15 | No problem. But one question: Why do you want to run linux on your BA? |
| 10:55.13 | geroo | i think it is much better than WM05 |
| 10:57.08 | cp15 | Hmm... It might be later, but at its current state it is only for real enthusiasts |
| 10:57.27 | geroo | u mean for developer |
| 10:57.52 | cp15 | You don't have to be a developer, but it helps |
| 11:01.44 | cp15 | I have to leave now, but will be back in a few hours |
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| 14:46.47 | rob_w-cgi | ah guees you are here ,.. so your cvs check in`s |
| 14:48.29 | cp15 | Yes, seems so |
| 14:49.26 | cp15 | I think to get further we need more developers |
| 14:50.44 | cp15 | The basic things are done, phone is useable including ringtones, kernel works for the important features, a distribution is in progress |
| 14:51.26 | cp15 | But there are still things which have to reverse engineered, drivers have to be developed, gomunicator and gpe in general has to be improved |
| 14:52.05 | cp15 | I can't do that all on my own |
| 14:52.17 | cp15 | HHHEEELLLPPP!!! |
| 14:53.53 | cp15 | Still below 200 :-) |
| 14:55.56 | bhima | heh. |
| 14:56.02 | bhima | so, what do you want me to do? |
| 14:57.13 | cp15 | Well, at first I think you need to start with getting a useable system |
| 14:57.21 | bhima | Yeah. :) |
| 14:58.00 | cp15 | Then, since you already experimenting with gtk and glade and are a gsm expert, how about improving gomunicator? |
| 14:59.06 | bhima | Ok. I'll look at that. Is there a handy image with everything on it I can download? :) |
| 15:01.43 | cp15 | Well, since geroo disappeared, I ask you to write a "Installing Linux on Blueangel" howto. I will tell you what you need to do and you try and document it. |
| 15:02.28 | bhima | ok. |
| 15:03.24 | cp15 | At first you need an SD-Card with at least 128 MB and no valuable data on it |
| 15:03.40 | bhima | But all my data is valuable! :) |
| 15:06.10 | bhima | ok. got one. |
| 15:06.39 | bhima | Is an MMC card likely to work or not? |
| 15:10.28 | cp15 | It will work, but the performance will be even worse as with sd |
| 15:14.37 | bhima | ok. |
| 15:15.39 | cp15 | Remove all files on the card and create a folder linux |
| 15:17.26 | cp15 | Put the following files in the linux folder: |
| 15:17.34 | cp15 | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=haret.exe |
| 15:17.41 | cp15 | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=zImage-2.6.12-hh2-3 |
| 15:17.47 | cp15 | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=initrd-2.6.12-hh2.gz-3 |
| 15:22.20 | bhima | sorry, I'm running around right now. I will be paying attention, but I'll be randomly away and returning. |
| 15:23.05 | cp15 | Ok, then we continue better when you have time |
| 15:28.10 | rob_w-cgi | i can take care of the howto |
| 15:28.34 | rob_w-cgi | lets do it on the wiki so all can contribute |
| 15:28.41 | rob_w-cgi | need to run cu |
| 15:28.44 | bhima | I figured I'd put it on the wiki. |
| 15:30.20 | cp15 | bhima: It is probably better when you do it, since you will encounter the problems |
| 15:30.49 | bhima | hehehe. Good point. :) |
| 17:05.15 | immolo | heya |
| 17:05.26 | immolo | cp15- you going to be around in 30mins? |
| 17:19.37 | cp15 | immolo: I think so |
| 17:24.05 | immolo | well less then 30mins :P |
| 17:24.16 | immolo | we have a distro :D |
| 17:25.39 | cp15 | Cool. |
| 17:25.48 | cp15 | bhima: Do you want to test? |
| 17:26.03 | immolo | I just need to tune an initrd to get it fully working |
| 17:26.46 | immolo | but it boots up and shows gpe etc |
| 17:27.04 | cp15 | I have uploaded a new initrd one to the handhelds.org wiki |
| 17:27.21 | immolo | I'm just trying your new kernel and initrd now :P |
| 17:27.34 | immolo | does this one pivot_root? |
| 17:27.58 | cp15 | Yes, but you have to specify boot_mmc=y in haret startup.txt |
| 17:28.19 | cp15 | If you don't it will boot into ramdisk |
| 17:28.51 | immolo | and it will load gpe-dm? |
| 17:29.13 | cp15 | No, it will execute init from the sd card, which has to do the rest |
| 17:30.35 | immolo | well for now I will do ramdisk |
| 17:31.06 | immolo | it's been so long since i've messed with init not using rc-update |
| 17:34.18 | cp15 | Yes, init might work, but there are things which will fail: touchscreen, network, etc... |
| 17:34.28 | cp15 | So you don't have control over your device |
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| 17:55.46 | bhima | hey rob. |
| 18:04.48 | rob_w | hey |
| 18:07.10 | immolo | ok I'm finished baby juty so lets see what happens |
| 18:07.58 | immolo | does the new haret doing anything? |
| 18:15.55 | cp15 | It just activates audio in windows. This sets some yet unknown stuff and lets audio under linux work |
| 18:17.33 | immolo | cool |
| 18:17.46 | immolo | right lets try test two |
| 18:18.20 | immolo | I really need to find out how to make fat16 on my linux box |
| 18:18.45 | cp15 | In the initrd is a mkfs.msdos and mkfs.vfat |
| 18:19.51 | immolo | yeah but my linux boxes just don't like fat16 |
| 18:20.02 | immolo | fat32 no issue |
| 18:20.20 | immolo | I most probley need to add an option |
| 18:21.38 | immolo | .... |
| 18:22.26 | immolo | sometimes I think my ba dislike linux :P |
| 18:23.12 | cp15 | What happened? |
| 18:23.33 | immolo | cp15- did you stop the ba from setting the ip 192.168.0.206? |
| 18:23.49 | cp15 | No, it is still active |
| 18:24.04 | immolo | it doesn't get the ip when I boot |
| 18:25.08 | cp15 | Does the message "usb0: full speed config #1: 100 mA, Ethernet Gadget, using CDC Ethernet Subset" appear on the screen? |
| 18:25.17 | immolo | no |
| 18:25.33 | cp15 | Do you get a usb0 on your host? |
| 18:25.38 | immolo | nope :P |
| 18:25.52 | cp15 | does lsusb show something? |
| 18:25.57 | immolo | two secs |
| 18:26.40 | immolo | would being connected to synce have any issues? |
| 18:26.48 | cp15 | Had you usb connected under windows? If not, this is still a bug |
| 18:27.06 | cp15 | It shouldnt |
| 18:27.13 | cp15 | what shows lsusb? |
| 18:27.27 | immolo | Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 18:27.27 | immolo | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:c501 Logitech, Inc. Cordless Mouse Receiver |
| 18:27.27 | immolo | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 18:27.27 | immolo | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 18:27.27 | immolo | Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0781:8889 SanDisk Corp. SDDR-88 Imagemate 8-in-1 Reader |
| 18:27.28 | immolo | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 18:27.30 | immolo | no pda |
| 18:28.57 | cp15 | Does dmesg say something about "device not accepting address"? |
| 18:29.33 | immolo | on the host? no |
| 18:30.13 | cp15 | Is there a message CKEN=0x<something> on the screen? |
| 18:30.32 | immolo | nope |
| 18:31.01 | cp15 | Have you tried dis- and reconnecting usb? |
| 18:31.09 | immolo | yeah :P |
| 18:31.16 | immolo | do you need g_ether on the host? |
| 18:31.56 | cp15 | No, g_ether is for the client. The driver on the host doesn't matter in this case, because it doesn't see a device |
| 18:32.40 | immolo | hmm maybe my hdd is playing up again |
| 18:33.10 | immolo | I'll let the system reboot and while I take a call |
| 18:37.52 | rob_w | my house stuff is soon done to some extend , then i can also help mote get this baby up and running |
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| 18:45.44 | cp15 | Cool... I have a bit too many projects open now |
| 18:46.52 | immolo | haha |
| 18:47.02 | cp15 | haha? |
| 18:47.09 | immolo | I had to pull the cable out and put it back in |
| 18:48.17 | immolo | ok I have to turn eth0 off for a little bit |
| 18:48.27 | immolo | I'll be back in a few with the status |
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| 19:28.58 | rob_w | hi Fiona |
| 19:29.28 | rob_w | how is it going Fiona |
| 19:50.52 | cp15 | immolo: How does it work? |
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| 19:53.57 | cp15 | Hi JuNuKN, you were the creator of the "Are there NO news on the Linux development" thread, right? |
| 19:54.59 | JuNuKN | Yes correct .. |
| 19:56.13 | cp15 | How can we help you? |
| 19:58.10 | JuNuKN | You can't help me, .. because I am using a wallaby only! I am Interrested in the actual progress. To learn fromn you |
| 20:01.30 | cp15 | I have checked, the wallaby is really much different to the blueangel |
| 20:03.17 | JuNuKN | Yeah you still explained .... |
| 20:03.38 | JuNuKN | Did you own only the blueangel? |
| 20:04.28 | cp15 | Yes, currently only the blueangel. Maybe I will buy a universal later, but the blueangel has to work first |
| 20:09.41 | JuNuKN | Did you make the progress alone until now? Is the knowledge part of your business? I didn't know where to start to learn |
| 20:12.17 | cp15 | No, not alone. The work done by cr2, sis, many others and last but not least you (if you woudn't have started the thread, the wiki about blueangel would have been nearly empty and I wouldn't have bought one) was absolutely necessary |
| 20:14.26 | cp15 | I started modifying haret, because of the comments from sis and cr2 I assumed it wasn't working. I modified lots of things just to find out that my modifications break haret, and it worked without any changes |
| 20:15.18 | cp15 | Then I implemented serial debug output in the linux kernel and saw that the initrd already worked |
| 20:15.48 | cp15 | And so we got one little step after another |
| 20:18.48 | cp15 | Have you already tried to boot the existing kernel? |
| 20:20.45 | JuNuKN | Wonderfull ... and I couldn't believe, that I have to stay on this WinCE without such things like Java and so on to be able to use community software. |
| 20:21.35 | cp15 | Well, there is currently no Java for the BA linux also... |
| 20:21.39 | JuNuKN | No not yet, because of my status of linux newby |
| 20:22.24 | cp15 | It's never to late to learn something new |
| 20:24.36 | Funklord | eek! java |
| 20:24.59 | JuNuKN | Shure not. I think I am meanwhile a little familar with it, because of my experiences with VDR, TuxBox-Linux of DBOX2 and so on, but I am still far away from understanding driverdevelopement of unix |
| 20:25.50 | cp15 | It is not that difficult. Biggest problem: If you made a mistake, you most likely have to reboot |
| 20:27.27 | JuNuKN | Yeah same problem as with dbox2. No real debug-interface, only Log-Files and a lot of reboots and so on. |
| 20:27.35 | Funklord | who's working on power saving? |
| 20:28.29 | cp15 | Probably I after I have finished recording and dpram |
| 20:28.38 | cp15 | Or do you want to take the job? |
| 20:28.59 | Funklord | I'm probably much too inexperienced |
| 20:29.17 | cp15 | That doesn't count |
| 20:29.18 | JuNuKN | With a familie you haven't this time to learn every aspects and spend so much time. |
| 20:29.20 | Funklord | I haven't worked with this hardware before |
| 20:29.46 | cp15 | Like me 2 months ago |
| 20:29.57 | Funklord | heh |
| 20:30.13 | Funklord | got any guesses on what's causing the power drain? |
| 20:30.31 | Funklord | one of the radios? |
| 20:30.35 | cp15 | JuNuKN: Yes, sometimes it has advantages to be alone, more often not |
| 20:31.00 | cp15 | I guess the SD card. It is maybe not deactivated properly |
| 20:31.28 | cp15 | The GSM radio has to stay up, and wlan and bluetooth are usually not activated |
| 20:31.56 | cp15 | Do you have experience in electronics? |
| 20:32.10 | Funklord | I'd like to take mine apart and do some measurements |
| 20:32.40 | Funklord | cp15: I've only done a few little projects, but the basics yes |
| 20:32.51 | bhima | With the h6300, the battery unlock switch is actually software. |
| 20:33.07 | cp15 | You don't have to take it apart, but I think it would be very interesting to measure the battery current |
| 20:33.11 | bhima | In theory, I believe, you could power it externally and measure its power consumption with the battery removed. |
| 20:33.38 | bhima | I don't know how the BA's battery lock switch works, though. |
| 20:33.52 | cp15 | I don't think its a switch |
| 20:34.21 | bhima | I'm pretty sure it disconnects power when I remove it... |
| 20:34.26 | Funklord | there is a switch alright |
| 20:34.36 | cp15 | Ok, I have to correct me. It is a switch |
| 20:34.43 | cp15 | I have to reboot now :-) |
| 20:35.27 | bhima | WinCE devices have had some sort of battery interlock for a long time. |
| 20:35.51 | bhima | The ones with non-replaceable batteries had a simple switch; the h5555 has some sort of switch built in to the battery clip, etc. |
| 20:36.32 | cp15 | The battery has 4 contacts. Do you think the other 2 are used for something like getting temperature? |
| 20:36.37 | bhima | Yeah. |
| 20:36.46 | bhima | temperature, and possibly some sort of ID. |
| 20:37.02 | bhima | or power measurement, it's possible they stuck a resistor in there. |
| 20:37.59 | Funklord | somebody said that some of these devices can't measure battery power, that it's a timer |
| 20:38.37 | bhima | Anything with a lithium ion battery has the capability to do reasonable power measurement stuff. |
| 20:39.12 | bhima | power management with a timer only would be unimaginably bad. |
| 20:39.52 | bhima | Most of these systems can actually estimate how much your battery sucks compared to a new one :) |
| 20:40.16 | Funklord | heh... I think the measurements you get from wince are very bad, in comparison to most other mobile phones |
| 20:40.40 | bhima | In fact, it wouldn't surprsie me if it were possible to measure current consumption reasonably well without extra hardware. not sure though. |
| 20:40.52 | bhima | Most phones suck compared to the Ericsson T39m. :) |
| 20:41.11 | bhima | WinCE doesn't really have good algorithms running for that. |
| 20:42.02 | Funklord | can't wait to run kismet on the BA =) |
| 20:44.32 | cp15 | There are currently some problems with the acx100. But if you can do the powermanagement, I can continue on the acx100 driver |
| 20:45.06 | bhima | what specifically needs to be done for power management? |
| 20:45.28 | cp15 | Find out why the battery lasts so short |
| 20:45.52 | cp15 | Check all drivers if there is a possibility to save energy when the device goes into shutdown mode |
| 20:46.30 | cp15 | Maybe fix the sleep code. Currently the cpu doesn't really suspend, it goes into idle mode. |
| 20:47.13 | cp15 | This is because wakeup after suspend calls the reset vector which points into the boot loader which does some checks before calling windows? |
| 20:47.26 | bhima | ahh, ok. |
| 20:48.25 | cp15 | Well, maybe not. I have to check again. But a few things in linux have to be changed since the bootloader has it's own imagination of what to find in certain registers and memory locations |
| 20:50.32 | cp15 | But to know whether it's the cpus fault we have to measure the battery current. |
| 20:50.45 | cp15 | Funklord: Do you think you can do it? |
| 20:51.51 | Funklord | hmm.. I'll have to take a look, but I'm extremely limited in time |
| 20:52.11 | Funklord | I work full time, and I'm renovating the flat |
| 20:53.49 | bhima | woot. Sphinx2 fixed point! |
| 20:54.05 | bhima | an actual open source speech recognition system. |
| 20:54.12 | Funklord | if you wanna see where I work, this is a movie I edited: |
| 20:54.22 | Funklord | http://www.vibes.se/stuff/2005-09-02_docteq_kraeftskiva.xvid.mkv |
| 20:54.28 | bhima | (the speech code I work on in my lab is, unfortunately, not open source) |
| 20:54.34 | Funklord | actually the first movie I ever edited =P |
| 20:55.17 | bhima | What format is that? |
| 20:55.29 | Funklord | matroska/xvid/vorbis |
| 20:56.57 | Funklord | you probably need mplayer linked with xvid, libmatroska and libvorbis |
| 20:57.19 | bhima | Though, VLC seems to play it. |
| 20:57.27 | Funklord | hmm.. yeah vlc does |
| 20:57.37 | Funklord | mplayer osx doesn't |
| 20:59.27 | cp15 | My mplayer works, but my connection seems to slow to stream it |
| 20:59.27 | bhima | So, yeah, if you want a speech recognition system on your BA, you can probably run sphinx2 at 2x RT or so. |
| 20:59.48 | cp15 | Yes? Cool |
| 20:59.57 | bhima | vlc doesn't seem to handle HTTP streams that are too slow. |
| 21:00.16 | bhima | I literally just got an announcemnt in my inbox :) |
| 21:00.46 | bhima | Somebody at CMU has been working on in for a few months, and has decided it's fast and stable enough to send to us. |
| 21:01.08 | bhima | the floating point version was around 1/100 of RT ;) |
| 21:01.37 | bhima | On a 206Mhz strongarm, that is. |
| 21:01.41 | bhima | I built it a few years ago. |
| 21:02.51 | cp15 | Funklord: Nice company. What are you working? |
| 21:03.39 | Funklord | cp15: e-invoicing for the masses =P |
| 21:04.15 | Funklord | one of those branches which gets a lot of investors |
| 21:05.18 | cp15 | Tell me more about it |
| 21:06.08 | Funklord | we're partners with most of the major banks etc. and basically make sure that all their suppliers can deliver e-invoices |
| 21:06.44 | Funklord | there's a unified, inexpensive solution/service they get |
| 21:07.09 | Funklord | works with just about any business system |
| 21:07.18 | cp15 | So they don't get a paper invoice? |
| 21:07.32 | Funklord | yep |
| 21:07.48 | Funklord | it gets fed straight into the receivers business system |
| 21:08.12 | cp15 | This is very difficult in germany to get accepted by the government |
| 21:08.37 | cp15 | The invoice has to be signed with a government approved key |
| 21:08.38 | Funklord | in finland for example, the government is forcing people to send e-invoices |
| 21:08.55 | cp15 | And the receiver has to check the key |
| 21:09.31 | Funklord | how does the sender get the key? |
| 21:09.39 | Funklord | is it one key per invoice? |
| 21:09.47 | cp15 | No, one key per sender |
| 21:10.01 | cp15 | They have to order it from the government |
| 21:10.14 | cp15 | It is used to make sure the invoice can't be changed |
| 21:10.24 | cp15 | And it is authentic |
| 21:10.24 | Funklord | ah, that's the same in finland, they call it "net service id" |
| 21:10.43 | Funklord | oh.. it's an encryption key |
| 21:11.05 | cp15 | Yes, I think it's x509 based |
| 21:11.18 | Funklord | that sounds like edifact |
| 21:12.42 | cp15 | Anyway it is much too complicated and I don't know anybody who uses it |
| 21:12.49 | Funklord | with heartbeats and stuff |
| 21:13.00 | Funklord | to keep the connection alive |
| 21:13.34 | Funklord | well.. it's kinda cool that the gov makes sure people use secure stuff =) |
| 21:14.13 | Funklord | over here they're only starting to get frauds because of all the relaxed security in such systems |
| 21:14.15 | cp15 | On the other hand there are a lot of companies which send their invoice as pdf to print out. Which is illegal in a strict sense. |
| 21:15.12 | cp15 | Well, the security in it is not to protect the people from getting false bills, but the government from having to pay back too much sales tax |
| 21:16.09 | Funklord | how does that work? |
| 21:17.01 | cp15 | If a company makes an invoice for another company, it first has to pay the sales tax to the government |
| 21:17.21 | cp15 | The company which receives the invoice can get the sales tax back from the government |
| 21:17.52 | cp15 | If the receiver is a person, it won't get anything back |
| 21:18.20 | cp15 | So if you have a faked invoice, you can get the sales tax back from the government which has never been payed |
| 21:18.36 | bhima | In Pennsylvania, you have a number you give to be exempt from sales tax. The company won't charge you. |
| 21:19.21 | Funklord | cp15: ah but.. wouldn't the government check the other end of the deal? |
| 21:19.55 | Funklord | if the sale was declared by the seller company |
| 21:19.58 | Funklord | ? |
| 21:20.34 | cp15 | They do from time to time. But with the signature they can check immediately whether at least the sender is a valid company |
| 21:21.34 | cp15 | And the invoice is still valid and no numbers have been changed |
| 21:21.52 | Funklord | ok.. but it doesn't seem like a show-stopper to me |
| 21:22.09 | Funklord | some of the banks put some pretty evil requirements on our users |
| 21:22.37 | Funklord | we bundle key-card reader drivers, connection software etc. |
| 21:23.09 | Funklord | gemplus etc. |
| 21:23.35 | bhima | Why have the money go to the government in the first place? Why not just not charge tax on the sale? |
| 21:24.37 | Funklord | the government likes this type of handling, it makes all mistakes either become their profit, or breaking the law |
| 21:26.01 | cp15 | Exactly. So no company could say: Oops, didn't know the other party was a person and not a company. |
| 21:27.18 | Funklord | when I was running my company we had an accountant who did this stuff =P |
| 21:27.32 | Funklord | so I'm not very clear on all the rules |
| 21:27.53 | cp15 | I wan't to know everything what happens in my company |
| 21:28.12 | Funklord | that's good |
| 21:29.45 | Funklord | cp15: what business you in? |
| 21:30.25 | cp15 | IT. I am selling mostly service to other companies. |
| 21:30.26 | bhima | In the US if they were wrong, then they, I believe, still need to pay the government the money. |
| 21:30.38 | bhima | Making a mistake doesn't fix that. |
| 21:30.55 | Funklord | cp15: what kind of service? |
| 21:31.14 | bhima | Only companies that re-sell to others are exempt, and only on things that are used for re-sale purposes. |
| 21:31.48 | cp15 | Fixing things, making installations, improving existing installations |
| 21:32.35 | Funklord | anything BA related? |
| 21:33.34 | cp15 | No, only Linux and Unix related |
| 21:34.02 | immolo | I still want a job that pays to use irc |
| 21:34.13 | cp15 | My biggest customer is Audi where I am maintaining the production control system |
| 21:34.41 | cp15 | A very critical system, if it fails, it takes only minutes to stop the complete factory |
| 21:34.54 | Funklord | cool |
| 21:35.18 | Funklord | I'd like to work on some mission-critical systems for once |
| 21:37.27 | cp15 | Well, sometimes it's fun, but if they call you in the middle of the night because something doesn't work as expected, it isn't. |
| 21:38.19 | Funklord | ok, let me rephrase that, "if they have realistic deadlines" |
| 21:38.24 | Funklord | heh |
| 21:41.59 | JuNuKN | ... by the way. What do you think? How far your away from Linux for the BA, to USE GSM and Device under (for example) GPE. |
| 21:43.22 | cp15 | I am already using it everyday. |
| 21:44.04 | JuNuKN | Really? Thought, it uses to much current and has no UI for Phone until now? |
| 21:44.48 | cp15 | I charge it every evening and every morning, and there is a (alpha) UI available: gomunicator |
| 21:46.07 | JuNuKN | And GPE PIM is also available? Sorry, I didn't recognized wether you still be able to access SD Card memory!? |
| 21:47.29 | cp15 | Yes, SD Card works, linux is installed on sd card. There is a todo, addressbook and calendar and some other things. But they are still a bit primitive |
| 21:47.47 | immolo | cp15- want the good news? |
| 21:47.54 | cp15 | But I like the gpe concept of using sqlite much more than the qpe xml stuff |
| 21:47.59 | cp15 | It works? |
| 21:48.04 | immolo | kinda :P |
| 21:48.17 | Funklord | sqlite <3 |
| 21:48.31 | immolo | it loads but no touchscreen |
| 21:48.41 | cp15 | Ok, let me look |
| 21:49.02 | immolo | ok let me put sophie to bed quick and then I'll dcc |
| 21:49.08 | JuNuKN | .... what loads? |
| 21:49.10 | Funklord | cp15: have you installed a toolchain on yours? |
| 21:50.37 | cp15 | On the BA? No, doesn't make sense in my eyes |
| 21:51.30 | Funklord | heh.. ok |
| 21:51.38 | Funklord | I can't live without one |
| 21:52.25 | cp15 | The cross tool chain is much faster and the device where it runs as a better keyboard :-) |
| 21:53.10 | Funklord | what if you wanna code somewhere you haven't got another box handy? |
| 21:54.07 | Funklord | I coded a lot of apps on my old psion 5mx |
| 21:54.09 | immolo | ah compiling on crappy embedded hardware :D |
| 21:54.17 | cp15 | Ok, convinced, maybe I will install one later :-) |
| 21:54.55 | cp15 | A sd card with it's complete source code would be nice. So you can fix an urgent bug while flying over the atlantic. |
| 21:55.30 | immolo | cp15 - I'm using robs initrd as it boot in after displaying some errors |
| 21:56.05 | cp15 | What errors? |
| 21:56.16 | immolo | I did get quite far with your initrd until it some of my sdcard died |
| 21:56.20 | immolo | No free VT |
| 21:56.58 | immolo | which I'm pretty sure you made me look at, at the start of all this |
| 21:57.52 | immolo | :D guess what's been included into the oe tree |
| 21:58.17 | cp15 | Your .bb files? |
| 21:58.23 | immolo | and machine config |
| 21:58.41 | cp15 | Wow, we are really getting forward now |
| 21:59.27 | immolo | hehe we are beating the wallaby now I think |
| 22:00.04 | cp15 | Don't be so cruel, we have a wallaby user here |
| 22:01.03 | immolo | :P |
| 22:01.05 | JuNuKN | ... yeah. Until now .... ! |
| 22:01.31 | immolo | I'm compressing the stuff now cp |
| 22:01.48 | cp15 | Ok, how big is it? |
| 22:02.57 | JuNuKN | I think you have more luck than the wallaby guys, - they seemed to stop the efforts. So they where not able to use the phone at all! |
| 22:03.56 | JuNuKN | Is it possible to switch between the CE and Linux without reflashing? I think about to buy one soon! |
| 22:04.12 | cp15 | Being able to use the phone was an important motivation factor for me. As a linux fan I can't use a wince phone. |
| 22:04.27 | JuNuKN | ... perhaps still need CE for Medion Navigator |
| 22:04.36 | cp15 | In its current state it works as follows: |
| 22:04.53 | cp15 | If you put the sd card in, linux will be loaded after a hard reset |
| 22:05.02 | cp15 | If you don't windows will be loaded |
| 22:05.51 | cp15 | But you need a hard reset to switch back to windows which means all your data will get lost and you have to make a backup before booting linux and restore it before being able to use windows again |
| 22:06.01 | JuNuKN | .... Great ... phantastic start! Ideal place to put a bootloader ... SD card. |
| 22:06.54 | JuNuKN | It should be enought to use the stuff, hard to replace until now under linux |
| 22:09.30 | JuNuKN | I heard on heise or golem, that MS will provide a Streetnavigation until end of this month. Hopefully they will use net! So there may be a chance to reuse it under linux (mono) perhaps on the PDA. What do you think? |
| 22:11.17 | cp15 | Are net binaries compatible between linux and windows? |
| 22:11.57 | cp15 | I also have a street navigation in the drawer. I just have to polish and publish :-) |
| 22:13.06 | JuNuKN | They should be ... if not using to much Windows-Forms stuff. But it is possible to decompile like java code ;o) |
| 22:13.22 | immolo | there are opensource streetmaps |
| 22:13.33 | immolo | err gps |
| 22:14.17 | Funklord | I bet mono wouldn't fit on an SD card |
| 22:14.18 | immolo | cp15- also give me a second I may have found out why touchscreen failed |
| 22:14.35 | cp15 | Yes, but they are not very good. My navigation system uses the map&guide map format, used in "Telefonbuch Map&Route" or "Marco Polo Grosser Reiseplaner" |
| 22:14.36 | immolo | you can get 4gb sd now so I guess it could |
| 22:14.46 | Funklord | immolo: who makes those? |
| 22:15.04 | cp15 | Did you know sd cards > 4gb are impossible? |
| 22:15.09 | immolo | Funklord- don't know but I know someone that can get me one |
| 22:15.21 | cp15 | They used a very stupid protocol |
| 22:15.26 | Funklord | I thought 2gb was new =) |
| 22:15.28 | immolo | may of been 2gb |
| 22:15.54 | immolo | I was tried he offered it for a very low price and I said I would see |
| 22:16.04 | immolo | still ?40 for 2gb isn't bad |
| 22:16.16 | Funklord | 40 what? |
| 22:16.20 | Funklord | eur? |
| 22:16.22 | immolo | pounds |
| 22:16.33 | Funklord | that's great |
| 22:16.38 | immolo | don't give me euro crap :P |
| 22:16.54 | Funklord | I saw them for more like 150eur |
| 22:17.02 | Funklord | =P |
| 22:17.11 | immolo | yeah I get free ink as well :D |
| 22:17.34 | immolo | there are perks to working in a bakery |
| 22:17.37 | JuNuKN | cp15: What means stupid protocol? Is it possible to correct card data right now? |
| 22:18.16 | cp15 | The read command looks like read(offset_in_bytes,bytecount) |
| 22:18.25 | cp15 | offset_in_bytes is a 32 bit number |
| 22:18.33 | cp15 | You can't read beyond 4 GB |
| 22:18.51 | Funklord | reads must be fast then =) |
| 22:19.11 | immolo | cp15- isn't there software ways around it? |
| 22:19.25 | immolo | I remember seeing a simlar thing |
| 22:19.43 | cp15 | They have to extend the protocol |
| 22:19.44 | Funklord | immolo: can you get me one for that price too? |
| 22:19.56 | immolo | plus p&p |
| 22:20.04 | cp15 | Which means that huge cards won't work in older devices |
| 22:20.10 | immolo | and a beer for the trouble |
| 22:20.37 | Funklord | hehe sure mate |
| 22:20.46 | immolo | cp15- I'll guess I'll looking at hooking a microdrive to my ba then |
| 22:21.21 | immolo | Funklord- I'll see, I'm getting on for chirstmas so I'll ask for a second at the same time |
| 22:21.35 | Funklord | afaik microdrives aren't price effective compared to CF anymore |
| 22:21.43 | cp15 | Is there a sd microdrive available? |
| 22:21.53 | Funklord | no |
| 22:21.56 | immolo | yeah but cf die quick |
| 22:22.11 | immolo | cp15- you can hook them up pretty easily I've read |
| 22:22.24 | cp15 | And microdrives use much more power than the already hungry sd cards |
| 22:22.33 | Funklord | I wanna hook up a 2.5" drive |
| 22:22.40 | immolo | really? |
| 22:22.46 | Funklord | they do |
| 22:22.48 | immolo | I was told md uses less |
| 22:23.00 | immolo | and I thought sd was bad |
| 22:23.46 | Funklord | I've tried microdrives in several cameras that couldn't power them up |
| 22:24.02 | Funklord | (instead of CF) |
| 22:24.06 | cp15 | They may be ok for cameras, since they are in use only short, but for a pda... Don't think so |
| 22:24.28 | cp15 | On the other hand the newest zaurus is with microdrive. I wonder why they have done it |
| 22:24.48 | Funklord | it's better storage obviously =) |
| 22:25.02 | Funklord | I'd have preferred a BA with a hdd |
| 22:25.19 | immolo | lol the ba is chubby as it is |
| 22:25.58 | immolo | without sticking a 160gb laptop drive on the back |
| 22:26.01 | Funklord | 120Gb version of the BA |
| 22:26.15 | immolo | Funklord- it's been done |
| 22:26.23 | immolo | it's called an nfs root :P |
| 22:27.16 | immolo | sorry that wasn't funny |
| 22:27.45 | immolo | anyway any news on wlan yet cp? |
| 22:29.10 | cp15 | No, does not yet work |
| 22:29.20 | immolo | shame |
| 22:29.24 | cp15 | But dpram is close to completion |
| 22:29.42 | cp15 | Which mean data calls and gprs will work |
| 22:30.02 | immolo | how are you starting gprs connections? |
| 22:30.21 | cp15 | With a at command with many stars in it |
| 22:30.36 | immolo | I mean in gui :P |
| 22:30.58 | cp15 | You type in the stars via the keyboard and press dial :-)))) |
| 22:31.39 | immolo | lol, it's just if you add support for connecting via a button please add a way to turn the damn thing off |
| 22:31.55 | immolo | I got a ?400 gprs charge in a month |
| 22:32.54 | immolo | ah I've solved the problem with touchscreen I think |
| 22:32.59 | cp15 | Oops, how that? |
| 22:33.01 | immolo | you wanna try that version |
| 22:33.30 | immolo | cp15- leaving irc on for a month connecting to busy channels :P |
| 22:33.52 | cp15 | Was it an accident or on purpose? |
| 22:34.03 | immolo | a bit of both |
| 22:34.25 | cp15 | GPRS is extremely expensive |
| 22:34.40 | immolo | ?2 a meg with O2 |
| 22:34.57 | cp15 | And in germany they charge the same fee for umts. Per kilobyte |
| 22:35.19 | immolo | umts is pretty much free over here |
| 22:35.27 | Funklord | we pay about 1.7eur/Mb |
| 22:35.35 | Funklord | I still think it's expensive |
| 22:36.05 | immolo | Funklord- I only use it to double check ebay quick with the images off :P |
| 22:36.38 | Funklord | I use it for e-mail |
| 22:36.57 | immolo | anyway give me 5 minutes and I will have a dirty hacked initrd for loading the distro |
| 22:37.04 | Funklord | but very little nowadays, since the company switched to exchange |
| 22:37.20 | Funklord | basically I have to go to work to access my e-mail |
| 22:37.27 | Funklord | bastards |
| 22:37.50 | immolo | Funklord- I have to use webmail, nothing is worse then that |
| 22:38.17 | Funklord | exchange webmail doesn't work properly, so I'm exempt =)) |
| 22:38.31 | immolo | heh |
| 22:39.21 | Funklord | wonder if it's possible to configure an outlook, running at work, automatically upload them to an IMAP server |
| 22:39.50 | cp15 | exchange also supports imap |
| 22:39.56 | Funklord | not ours |
| 22:40.09 | Funklord | because the admin is a lazy bum |
| 22:40.18 | immolo | Funklord- or find the servers and run fdisk |
| 22:40.35 | cp15 | You could configure automatic forwarding, but at Audi it doesn't work for external adresses |
| 22:41.18 | Funklord | hmm.. but forwarding will mangle the e-mails |
| 22:42.46 | Funklord | immolo: your suggestion is good, but instead of fdisk, a baseball bat |
| 22:43.07 | immolo | why waste good hardware |
| 22:43.31 | Funklord | you obviously haven't seen office space =) |
| 22:44.08 | immolo | ok replace good hardware with a good linux challage hardware setup |
| 22:44.45 | Funklord | I put knoppix in one guys box once |
| 22:45.01 | Funklord | he almost fell off his chair when he came back from lunch |
| 22:45.17 | immolo | cp15 - snd-oss-mixer needs to be loaded after blueangel_audio? |
| 22:45.26 | immolo | Funklord- haha |
| 22:45.35 | cp15 | Yes |
| 22:45.55 | cp15 | But you can also load it before. It just won't appear a mixer |
| 22:46.16 | immolo | best to see where we stand |
| 22:48.47 | immolo | oh one question I've been meaning to ask is what is the difference between an 0x5 board and an 0x6 board |
| 22:50.39 | cp15 | The LCD display. 0x5 has a Sony, 0x6 has a Toppoly one |
| 22:50.50 | immolo | cool I have a sony :P |
| 22:52.50 | cp15 | Please enter your device at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelBoardIDs |
| 22:53.28 | immolo | it's pretty much the same as the german 02 one but black I think |
| 22:53.45 | cp15 | Ok, dpram does work now, but I will test gprs tomorrow. |
| 22:54.17 | cp15 | I am going to bed now |
| 22:54.20 | Funklord | what's dpram? |
| 22:54.28 | Funklord | is it where wince is stored? |
| 22:54.49 | immolo | cp15- two secs I'll see if it's worth sending my beta/alpha quick |
| 22:55.21 | Funklord | (the installer) |
| 22:55.43 | cp15 | Dual ported ram. The GSM part has two interfaces to the main cpu. One is an uart, used for command transfer, and one is a dual ported ram, to which both cpus have access and is used for gprs and csd data transfer |
| 22:55.49 | immolo | I'm a moron |
| 22:56.04 | immolo | I forgot to add an oldroot to the newroot :P |
| 22:56.05 | cp15 | Why, did you a rm -rf /? |
| 22:56.31 | Funklord | oh ok =P |
| 22:56.55 | immolo | no that's just being out of order to morons cp15 |
| 22:57.39 | immolo | most distros stop it anyway now |
| 22:57.40 | cp15 | I once have tried on a machine. There were still a handfull of files left :-) |
| 22:58.23 | immolo | I did rm -rf * in my / rather then a chroot once once |
| 22:58.42 | cp15 | And what happened? |
| 22:58.45 | immolo | I didn't lose too much |
| 22:59.00 | Funklord | I did one on ~ once |
| 22:59.45 | Funklord | luckily kde puts a lot of conf crap there which took a while |
| 23:00.02 | Funklord | so hitting ctrl-c I didn't lose much |
| 23:00.05 | immolo | heh finally a use for bloated kde |
| 23:00.09 | cp15 | :-) You alway notice when rm does something unexpected if it takes too long |
| 23:00.34 | immolo | cp15- Yeah like deleting a years worth of TV shows :P |
| 23:01.21 | Funklord | more serious is bugs that most gui file browsers seem to have |
| 23:01.21 | cp15 | And the liked rm * .o is still fast :-) |
| 23:01.54 | Funklord | move files around long enough, and you'll notice them mystically dissapearing |
| 23:02.08 | cp15 | Even under linux? |
| 23:02.16 | Funklord | especially under linux |
| 23:02.19 | immolo | Funklord- This is why I stick to Rox-Filer |
| 23:02.38 | cp15 | A mv should be an atomic operation, even for a file browser |
| 23:02.54 | Funklord | all gui browsers I tried 1-2 yrs ago had these kinds of problems |
| 23:03.34 | immolo | ok cp15 I've can't hack the initrd :P |
| 23:03.37 | Funklord | an especially common one is.. moving a directory onto itself deletes it |
| 23:03.44 | immolo | you still want the distro? |
| 23:04.16 | cp15 | Just send it |
| 23:06.40 | immolo | I'll turn mldonkey off again |
| 23:08.39 | immolo | but at least I've very happy blueangel has been included into oe |
| 23:20.55 | cp15 | I think we have to use fakeroot. su is suid immolo :-) |
| 23:21.41 | immolo | I can un do that anyway :P |
| 23:22.03 | cp15 | Ok, thanks, I will look into it tomorrow |
| 23:22.30 | cp15 | Thanks for your good work and good night |
| 23:22.34 | immolo | cool, I'm going to play tonight but I hope this works good :P |
| 23:22.38 | immolo | night |
| 23:57.34 | Funklord | night y'all =) |