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| 05:13.42 | zairyaab | all bots or someone live out here ? |
| 05:14.57 | zairyaab | grrrrrr |
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| 05:29.29 | masked | hey hey |
| 05:30.08 | masked | im a little confused by the wiki, once i've booted the kernel via haret do i have to connect via terminal or should i be able to ssh in? |
| 05:31.42 | masked | oh well ill go find out brb |
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| 05:38.18 | masked | well im a bit lost there. |
| 05:44.02 | masked | going by the handhelds moinmoin entry can i just put gpe on an ext2 partition and it will load without me having to use a terminal? |
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| 05:59.45 | cp15 | Good morning |
| 06:01.32 | masked | mornin' cp15 |
| 06:01.59 | masked | if i have booted the kernel on the wiki by haret should i be able to ssh straight into it? |
| 06:05.59 | cp15 | Yes, you should do a modprobe usbnet, ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.205 and ssh root@192.168.0.206 |
| 06:06.10 | cp15 | Password should be rootme |
| 06:06.44 | masked | do i need to be .205? |
| 06:07.12 | cp15 | No, you can also choose any other number (except 0, 206 and 255) |
| 06:07.31 | cp15 | But it has to be in the 192.168.0 network |
| 06:07.40 | masked | yep. well... then.. |
| 06:07.46 | masked | thought i'd loaded usbnet.. |
| 06:08.22 | cp15 | The screen on the ba should show something about cdcether and 100mA when it works |
| 06:08.42 | masked | yes... i saw that earlier.. should ssh have a rsa key? |
| 06:08.51 | masked | and does it matter if the screen has gone blank? |
| 06:08.57 | cp15 | usb0: full speed config #1: 100 mA, Ethernet Gadget, using CDC Ethernet Subset |
| 06:09.03 | cp15 | to be exact |
| 06:09.17 | cp15 | No, the printk should unblank the screen |
| 06:09.23 | masked | looks like i dont have usbnet on this machine |
| 06:09.40 | cp15 | 2.4 kernel? |
| 06:09.57 | masked | nah 2.6, just didn't compile it |
| 06:09.58 | masked | thought i had |
| 06:10.15 | masked | and i dont need g_ether? |
| 06:10.57 | cp15 | You need g_ether on the ba, but it should be loaded automatically |
| 06:11.04 | masked | k |
| 06:12.38 | masked | ok brb changing subnets or creating an alias.. |
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| 06:15.24 | masked | hrmm what am i doing! :P |
| 06:15.30 | masked | i need to set an ip on usb0, right? |
| 06:15.39 | cp15 | Yes |
| 06:16.25 | masked | odd |
| 06:16.26 | masked | its still not workin |
| 06:16.26 | cp15 | As long as you go directly from your host to the ba and not using 192.168.0 somewhere else |
| 06:16.26 | cp15 | Any error messages? |
| 06:16.29 | masked | nah nevermind |
| 06:16.39 | masked | that was my problem i wasn't thinking and changed eth0 to the same subnet |
| 06:16.43 | masked | works now |
| 06:17.04 | cp15 | ok :-) |
| 06:17.38 | masked | now... if i want to load up gpe, i make a ext2 partition on the sdcard and just copy it there? |
| 06:17.53 | masked | the one from the handhelds moin moin...? do i have to change anything else? |
| 06:18.20 | cp15 | I dont know exactly. do a grep pivot_root /linuxrc |
| 06:19.10 | masked | blank |
| 06:19.21 | cp15 | I'll give you my linuxrc |
| 06:19.37 | cp15 | You have to recreate your initrd |
| 06:19.56 | masked | thought so.. |
| 06:19.59 | masked | thanks |
| 06:21.57 | masked | can u dcc or do u want my email? |
| 06:22.20 | cp15 | I will do dcc... But I forgot to register |
| 06:22.44 | masked | cheers |
| 06:23.15 | masked | can i use something other than haret in order not to have to hard reset? |
| 06:23.49 | cp15 | you have to add boot_mmc=y in your haret cmdline to boot from sd card |
| 06:24.19 | cp15 | No, I have thought about using lab (Linux as bootloader) to be at least able to reload the kernel from linux |
| 06:24.43 | cp15 | But for a first try, you could also execute the commands from linuxrc manually |
| 06:24.52 | cp15 | So you don't have to reboot |
| 06:25.11 | cp15 | You need to partition your sd card |
| 06:26.02 | cp15 | First partition is unused by linux (I use it as /boot, and it contains initrd, zImage, haret and startup.txt) |
| 06:26.09 | cp15 | Second partition is mounted as root |
| 06:26.39 | cp15 | You have to be careful when unpacking the tar from the wiki, because the root is really in a directory |
| 06:27.21 | cp15 | If you succeed, It would be nice if you could update the wiki with better instructions and other missing things |
| 06:27.43 | cp15 | I have to leave now |
| 06:27.45 | masked | okay, so first partition needs to be fat32? |
| 06:28.11 | cp15 | If you want to use it to boot linux (which is a good idea), yes |
| 06:29.15 | cp15 | So, good luck and bye for now |
| 06:29.20 | masked | i dont see the benefit of using boot_mmc=y.. can u explain? don't i boot from the sd anyway? |
| 06:29.27 | masked | okay, cool, have a good day |
| 06:30.17 | cp15 | Well, it makes a common ramdisk possible as some kind of rescue system and a root filesystem mounter |
| 06:30.36 | cp15 | If you don't like it, edit the linuxrc |
| 06:30.58 | masked | nah ok that sounds cool |
| 06:31.18 | masked | and that rc will load gpe by default? |
| 06:31.44 | cp15 | It depends what you put on the sd card |
| 06:32.36 | cp15 | Basically it execs init on the sd card and what init does is up to the sd card |
| 06:32.40 | masked | ill just untar the gpe tarball to the ext2 partition...? |
| 06:33.40 | masked | im unaware of how or what to modify the initrd, but ill try.. |
| 06:33.54 | cp15 | Yes, but as I have said, the root is in a directory, so you have to do probably a cd mountpoint && tar -xf tarfile && mv directory/* . |
| 06:34.05 | cp15 | Do you want mine? |
| 06:35.13 | masked | that would be great |
| 06:35.20 | cp15 | Basically you have to unzip it, mount -o loop <unzipped_initrd> <mountpoiunt>, edit your files, umount <mountpoint>, zip it |
| 06:35.34 | cp15 | Ok, but then I have to go |
| 06:35.41 | masked | ok, thanks a lot. |
| 06:35.50 | masked | i will keep that all in mind though for the future |
| 06:36.39 | cp15 | Works farily well for half around the globe |
| 06:37.45 | cp15 | Ok, bye now :-) |
| 06:38.11 | masked | peace |
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| 07:02.58 | masked | hrmm what can i use to make a fat32 fs? |
| 07:03.33 | rob_w-cgi | hey akk |
| 07:03.37 | rob_w-cgi | ahm all i meant |
| 07:03.47 | rob_w-cgi | mkfs.vfat ? |
| 07:05.10 | masked | hrmm its the only one i dont have |
| 07:10.13 | masked | oh yeah and hello rob_w-cgi sorry for being so rude |
| 07:10.14 | masked | haha |
| 07:23.38 | rob_w-cgi | np |
| 07:56.29 | masked | rob_w-cgi, ru using a similar setup to cp15? |
| 07:59.12 | masked | i grabbed some files off him and just booted up gpe, there were a few errors but its got me to the login screen and the ts/cursor doesn't work |
| 08:02.58 | masked | brb |
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| 08:14.58 | raz0reDg3 | hi alll |
| 08:19.28 | masked | hey raz0reDg3 |
| 08:21.26 | raz0reDg3 | so is there any bugs within the linux on blueangel>? |
| 08:22.03 | masked | probably |
| 08:22.08 | masked | its not fully functional yet |
| 08:22.23 | masked | i only loaded it with gpe on top today and the touchscreen isn't wokring |
| 08:22.28 | masked | but thats just me i believe. |
| 08:29.18 | masked | whoops maybe i was ment to apply a patch |
| 08:29.21 | masked | thyo i dont think so.. |
| 08:29.36 | raz0reDg3 | i see i see.. but it's cool.. |
| 08:30.31 | rob_w-cgi | masked .. |
| 08:30.37 | rob_w-cgi | did you load evdev ? |
| 08:30.47 | masked | cant say i did |
| 08:31.00 | masked | doesn't mean the linuxrc i got from cp15 didn't |
| 08:31.05 | rob_w-cgi | hmm i had once a boot where my touchscreen did not react .. try again |
| 08:31.12 | rob_w-cgi | i guess it does |
| 08:31.29 | masked | i tried 3 times |
| 08:31.29 | rob_w-cgi | razOreDg3 : ur welcome to contribute |
| 08:31.39 | rob_w-cgi | hmm do you have usb connections ? |
| 08:31.39 | raz0reDg3 | =] |
| 08:33.18 | masked | rob_w-cgi, what should i look for in linuxrc about evdev? |
| 08:34.12 | rob_w-cgi | well checking via lsmod if evdev and the touchscreen modules are loaded and then if you have the touchscreen device |
| 08:35.55 | masked | ok ill have to boot it again |
| 08:36.40 | masked | damn is there any way around the hard reset problem? |
| 08:39.20 | rob_w-cgi | no .. but you can unlock the xda and uncover the windows installation files .. then enter a batch which checks for the sd card plugged ,, if yes then start haret , if not go on with windows :-= ) cp15 did that |
| 08:41.14 | masked | hrmm |
| 08:41.40 | masked | fark |
| 08:41.53 | masked | i didn't plug the thing in before booting harey |
| 08:41.58 | masked | now i have to do it all over again |
| 08:42.56 | masked | its bothersome waiting for wince to do its shit |
| 08:48.15 | masked | grrr my usbnet device is gonneneee |
| 08:49.41 | masked | need i have patched the kernel available on the wiki? |
| 08:59.27 | masked | im assuming the one on there is build for the ba? |
| 09:04.31 | masked | bbl |
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| 14:39.48 | immolo | hmm that was strange, anyone know what would cause the ba's display to repeat "socket_state" over and over |
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| 16:11.19 | cp15 | Good morning |
| 16:11.29 | bhima | Good morning. |
| 16:11.49 | cp15 | Hi, how are you? |
| 16:11.58 | bhima | hungry and a bit tired. |
| 16:12.00 | bhima | You? |
| 16:12.08 | cp15 | Hungry, too |
| 16:12.34 | cp15 | I have given the job to compile a distribution to immolo, so you can concentrate on the more high level tasks |
| 16:13.20 | cp15 | Karlsruhe is a bit far... We could go to dinner |
| 16:14.13 | bhima | Cool. Cause, while I'm willing to do it, I am not very experienced at it. |
| 16:15.19 | cp15 | immolo seems to have experience with openembedded |
| 16:15.37 | cp15 | Probably more than I |
| 16:16.01 | bhima | My PalmOS wrist watch is re-assembled. |
| 16:16.04 | bhima | Nothing broke. :) |
| 16:16.42 | bhima | I think I'd like to integrate a headset with an LCD into the system. |
| 16:16.52 | bhima | And give you actual meaningful settings and options. |
| 16:17.34 | bhima | Maybe set up an extensible menu and notification system. |
| 16:17.50 | cp15 | Maybe you could also dis- and reassemble my BA? The camera needs to be removed |
| 16:18.03 | bhima | spoken audio as well. |
| 16:18.08 | bhima | Oh? why does it need to be removed? |
| 16:18.24 | cp15 | I will get into serious trouble if the guard of one of my biggest customer will chatch me with it |
| 16:18.45 | bhima | Ahh. Well, the wrist watch was $80 and had very obvious screws... :) |
| 16:19.05 | cp15 | The screws in the BA are also obvious :-) |
| 16:20.07 | bhima | True. But it's not obvious which ones you remove and what you do afterwards... |
| 16:20.25 | bhima | With the Fossil watch, it looked very obvious how you took it apart. |
| 16:23.11 | bhima | I really don't like places that don't permit cameras. It's rather pointless and silly. |
| 16:23.32 | bhima | If you re-flashed Linux onto it, without a camera driver, you could point out that the camera was not working at all. :) |
| 16:57.03 | cp15 | cr2 has disassembled his device. He said its easy, just take care about the keyboard connection |
| 16:58.11 | cp15 | I think also its silly, since the resolution is far from useable |
| 16:58.25 | cp15 | But its getting higher now... Still not comparable to a good camera |
| 16:58.45 | cp15 | I don't think they will accept a software disabled camera |
| 16:59.30 | cp15 | They already catched me with a camphone once, and they changed the photo guidelines... Just for me :-) |
| 17:02.16 | bhima | oh? |
| 17:03.00 | cp15 | Before the guidelines sayd: Photographing at the company is forbidden |
| 17:03.23 | cp15 | After they said: Mobiles with cam are forbidden |
| 17:04.18 | cp15 | I discussed with the guard which catched me that you nowhere can read it is not allowed. He had to agree :-) |
| 17:05.07 | cp15 | They already fired people for having camphones |
| 17:22.56 | immolo | cp15- very little experince :P |
| 18:00.13 | Funklord | do you guys know the old ST chips used for digicams? |
| 18:00.52 | Funklord | they put them in those cheap little webcams going for like 30eur at the start |
| 18:01.17 | Funklord | the quality was incredibly bad to start with |
| 18:01.44 | Funklord | but after some fiddling with imagemagick, you can actually make them a lot better |
| 18:01.59 | cp15 | You mean something with ov511 chip? |
| 18:02.08 | Funklord | not that one.. it's similar |
| 18:02.19 | cp15 | ov511 is also bad |
| 18:02.48 | cp15 | I only got a very greenish picture |
| 18:04.06 | Funklord | we should definitely try to use some filtering on the BA, the results could make a useless cam useful =P |
| 18:04.30 | Funklord | automatically, right after you take the photo |
| 18:04.59 | Funklord | it took about 30s on my old p166 to filter it |
| 18:05.20 | Funklord | it should be similar for the BA |
| 18:06.31 | Funklord | cp15: yeah, the windows software corrects the green automatically |
| 18:06.44 | Funklord | same with the chip I was using |
| 18:07.02 | Funklord | on linux I had to do it manually |
| 18:09.23 | Funklord | the jpeg encoding also gets a much higher compression once the grains are filtered out |
| 18:11.43 | Funklord | ah yes, the chip I had was stv680 |
| 18:14.55 | Funklord | I found an old one |
| 18:15.07 | Funklord | www.vibes.se/undated/funklord_bedroom |
| 18:15.17 | Funklord | that's the result after filtering |
| 18:15.51 | immolo | 404 :P |
| 18:16.24 | Funklord | oops! www.vibes.se/gallery/undated/funklord_bedroom |
| 18:17.46 | Funklord | I'm using different hostnames here.. need to type it manually |
| 18:17.47 | immolo | heh, is that using the ba? |
| 18:17.47 | Funklord | no no |
| 18:17.47 | Funklord | that's using an even crappier chip |
| 18:17.48 | Funklord | stv680 |
| 18:18.16 | immolo | when I sent my himalaya to o2 they used an unreleased firmware update that gave a really good quailty image |
| 18:19.22 | immolo | so at least it is possible to get good quailty |
| 18:19.26 | Funklord | cool |
| 18:20.18 | Funklord | I just got my phone back, as soon as I get some time off I'll start hacking with it |
| 18:20.20 | immolo | unless they replaced the camera itself due to all the water damage |
| 18:20.35 | Funklord | they replaced my whole mobo |
| 18:20.51 | Funklord | I'm guessing just about all the components are stuck to it |
| 18:21.14 | immolo | most probley |
| 18:21.52 | Funklord | need to order some peripherals for it too |
| 18:23.53 | Funklord | so.. what do you guys recon will be the default toolkit used for this project? |
| 18:24.11 | Funklord | thinking I should start porting some apps to it |
| 18:25.14 | immolo | I'm hoping to get my hands on the source on the zaruas psx emulator |
| 18:26.09 | immolo | if I have to use fpsece on more time I may cry :P |
| 18:26.16 | immolo | on = one |
| 18:26.59 | Funklord | do you recon you'll use gpe? |
| 18:27.27 | immolo | I like gpe so I was going to put it on |
| 18:27.36 | immolo | I haven't used any others though |
| 18:27.46 | immolo | and my other projects used fluxbox |
| 18:28.08 | immolo | but those were sub notebooks rather then pdas |
| 18:29.06 | Funklord | I'm not sure if fluxbox is cut out for this kind of res |
| 18:29.19 | immolo | it's not :P |
| 18:29.30 | immolo | I had a jornada |
| 18:29.50 | Funklord | actually, might as well forget about windowing, all in all |
| 18:30.14 | Funklord | just assume each app will use a certain part of the screen |
| 18:30.24 | Funklord | like wince/gpe/opie |
| 18:30.35 | immolo | yeah |
| 18:31.17 | immolo | anyway I'll be back in a second |
| 18:31.23 | Funklord | k |
| 18:31.41 | immolo | I just need to get my ba to run the hp4700 image |
| 18:37.36 | immolo | cp15- that hp image doesn't want to work |
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| 19:46.14 | cp15 | immolo: where are the problems? |
| 19:47.44 | immolo | X won't start :P |
| 19:51.36 | cp15 | Any error message? |
| 19:51.43 | immolo | ah the wiki for the 4700 says that the gpe build doesn't fully work yet |
| 19:52.07 | cp15 | You probably have to load the touchscreen modules manually |
| 19:52.18 | immolo | yeah I've done all that |
| 19:52.41 | cp15 | and made a link from /dev/input/event0 to /dev/ts? |
| 19:52.47 | immolo | I loaded it the same way as I did the nfs root version on the forums |
| 19:52.57 | immolo | yep |
| 19:53.10 | cp15 | Do you get an error message? |
| 19:53.40 | immolo | dmesg gave me nothing but I forgot to do a check on logs |
| 19:54.10 | immolo | I've got to head out to the shops quick so once I get back I'll load it again |
| 19:54.32 | immolo | oh and it is himalaya_tsc2200 you load last right? |
| 19:54.40 | cp15 | No, just call Xfbdev and see what error message it gives |
| 19:54.46 | cp15 | Yes |
| 19:55.04 | immolo | k, will you still be around in about 1-2 hours? |
| 19:55.34 | cp15 | Ah... Stop... I think you have to load himalaya_ts3 last |
| 19:56.37 | immolo | I know its one of those else everything goes funny |
| 19:57.01 | immolo | I'll open the initrd on the hh wiki and check the linuxrc |
| 19:57.19 | cp15 | If you run depmod, a modprobe himalaya_ts3 should be enough |
| 19:57.30 | immolo | k |
| 19:57.41 | immolo | well I must go |
| 19:57.46 | cp15 | I think I will be there in 1-2 hours |
| 20:57.18 | immolo | ok back |
| 20:58.00 | immolo | I'm going to install irssi and links to my server so I can use the net while working on the ba |
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| 21:05.15 | immolo | ah it was himalaya_ts3 needed to load last |
| 21:22.13 | immolo | I'm just getting SIGSEGV when I start Xfbdev |
| 21:31.30 | cp15 | Can you install strace? |
| 21:32.25 | immolo | just waiting on my 32bit chroot to finish, I've never had anyluck cross compiling on 64bit |
| 21:33.06 | cp15 | There is a ipkg of strace |
| 21:33.36 | immolo | heh, my network setup won't allow my ba to connect to the net |
| 21:34.04 | immolo | I have to turn off eth0 to beable to login |
| 21:34.34 | cp15 | No need to, download it to your host, scp it to /tmp on ba and run ipkg install /tmp/filename.ipk |
| 21:34.58 | immolo | cool |
| 21:39.07 | immolo | crap, you know what the root password is for that image? |
| 21:41.00 | immolo | We really need one of those dual boot loaders like the jornadas have |
| 21:42.19 | immolo | even if it was just in extrom it would be betting then waiting for all those apps and o2 crap to copy over |
| 21:44.52 | cp15 | Have you tried rootme? |
| 21:45.15 | immolo | yeah, I exited after pivot_rooting and it wouldn't let me in |
| 21:45.55 | cp15 | Have you started dropbear before pivot_root? Then it doesn't work, I don't know why |
| 21:46.15 | immolo | yeah the initrd starts dropbear |
| 21:46.46 | cp15 | I have disabled my extrom write protection and changed the setup script to first start \Storage Card\linux\haret.exe |
| 21:47.31 | cp15 | If there is a sd card with linux in, it will boot linux (after touchscreen calibration and cut & paste excercise :-( ), if not, it will customize and start windows |
| 21:47.44 | immolo | cool |
| 21:47.51 | immolo | I'll look into that |
| 21:47.59 | cp15 | Maybe it is also worth to try the folder mentioned in "Invisible rom dumper" |
| 21:48.29 | cp15 | There seems to be a autostart folder for sd cards. I don't know however how early in the boot or install process it is called |
| 21:48.31 | immolo | can't you remove the cut and paste crap as well? |
| 21:48.53 | cp15 | It's in the pxa flash |
| 21:48.56 | immolo | on wince2 you has to plug the card in a cetain point to get it to load |
| 21:49.15 | immolo | must of been a wallaby thing then |
| 21:49.29 | cp15 | And the pxa flash is not easy to update |
| 21:50.10 | immolo | I've don't touch flash :P I'm likey to brick it |
| 21:50.53 | immolo | oh have you noticed if you do a soft reset in linux the ba doesn't turn on until you remove the battery for 30 secs |
| 21:52.39 | cp15 | You have to do a hard reset. Press power and the reset button the same time |
| 21:52.54 | immolo | yeah I missed the power button :P |
| 21:53.57 | immolo | I'm getting a SIGSERGV on ipkg as well |
| 21:55.50 | immolo | I think opening jffs2 files the way I was shown does more damage then good |
| 22:00.43 | cp15 | Have you put is as ext2 on sd? |
| 22:00.49 | immolo | yeah |
| 22:01.02 | cp15 | Strange |
| 22:01.27 | cp15 | Does ls work? |
| 22:01.52 | immolo | some apps work fine |
| 22:02.26 | immolo | the rest just say SIGSERGV which I'm guessing is segment fault |
| 22:02.42 | cp15 | Really SIGSERGV? |
| 22:02.47 | immolo | yeah |
| 22:02.54 | cp15 | NOT SIGSEGV? |
| 22:03.32 | immolo | oh your version |
| 22:03.37 | immolo | damn keyboard |
| 22:04.06 | cp15 | ok, I was afraid there is a signal which I dont know :-) |
| 22:04.15 | immolo | hehe |
| 22:04.24 | immolo | this is the hx4700 image right |
| 22:04.41 | cp15 | does ldconfig work? |
| 22:05.13 | immolo | err, I just logged out :P |
| 22:05.40 | cp15 | Ok... Can't imagine right now where the problem might be |
| 22:05.47 | immolo | dropbear is working |
| 22:06.03 | cp15 | Yeah, but it is from the initrd |
| 22:06.20 | immolo | and the sdimage one |
| 22:06.33 | cp15 | Or have you used the boot_mmc functionality? |
| 22:06.56 | immolo | no |
| 22:07.13 | immolo | just loaded the initrd from the wiki and pivot_root |
| 22:07.27 | immolo | and modprobed |
| 22:08.02 | cp15 | Did you mount procfs, devfs and sysfs? |
| 22:08.27 | immolo | I binded them from the initrd |
| 22:09.17 | cp15 | You used mount --bind ? |
| 22:09.32 | immolo | yeah |
| 22:10.23 | immolo | the main reason I can think of is this being a beta release but that should only effect gpe not the other stuff |
| 22:10.39 | cp15 | ipkg should work |
| 22:11.07 | immolo | it only gives that error when you install something |
| 22:11.16 | immolo | works fine it I just type ipkg |
| 22:11.21 | immolo | it = if |
| 22:12.09 | immolo | ok my ba is back you want me to load that image again or try the hh official release? |
| 22:12.13 | cp15 | Are you logged in? |
| 22:12.37 | immolo | I can be :P |
| 22:14.09 | cp15 | Well... hmmm... Ok, lets try it again with your image |
| 22:14.25 | immolo | ok let me just mount everything |
| 22:16.43 | cp15 | Tell me exactly what you are doing |
| 22:17.10 | immolo | ok I modprobed to get touchscreen and mmc working |
| 22:17.34 | immolo | then mounted the sdcard to /blueangel and pivot_rooted |
| 22:18.35 | immolo | next I mounted proc, dev and sys from the oldroot to the new one |
| 22:18.35 | immolo | oh wait it would let me mount /sys |
| 22:18.36 | immolo | would = won't |
| 22:19.01 | immolo | ldconfig fails as well |
| 22:19.16 | immolo | and passwd |
| 22:19.28 | cp15 | Then probably only busybox works |
| 22:19.45 | immolo | some apps do work |
| 22:19.50 | immolo | but only a few |
| 22:19.58 | cp15 | Ok, lets check ipkg |
| 22:19.59 | immolo | non busybox ones that is |
| 22:20.23 | cp15 | You said it works if you give it no parameters? |
| 22:20.25 | immolo | failed |
| 22:20.38 | immolo | yeah it gives me the help output |
| 22:20.52 | immolo | but when I do ipkg install strace |
| 22:20.54 | cp15 | ipkg install /tmp/notthere.ipk |
| 22:21.30 | immolo | same |
| 22:21.43 | cp15 | Ok, let me check |
| 22:22.17 | immolo | you want the image? |
| 22:22.36 | cp15 | ipkg list? |
| 22:22.48 | immolo | same |
| 22:23.50 | immolo | does ipkg --help give the help output screen also? |
| 22:24.08 | cp15 | Yes |
| 22:24.17 | cp15 | Does it segfault also? |
| 22:24.22 | immolo | yeah |
| 22:24.50 | immolo | if I get dmesg to look for the boardid it also segfaults |
| 22:24.59 | immolo | but runs fine if I just type dmesg |
| 22:25.42 | cp15 | Very strange |
| 22:26.17 | cp15 | so dmesg works but dmesg | grep something not? |
| 22:26.51 | immolo | it works with grep |
| 22:27.11 | immolo | but not if I do the dmesg -i as stated in the wiki |
| 22:27.35 | cp15 | What does the -i? |
| 22:27.50 | immolo | no idea, but the wiki says to use it |
| 22:28.09 | immolo | check the boardid part of ba research |
| 22:28.22 | cp15 | On my ba the -i option gives: |
| 22:28.31 | cp15 | dmesg: invalid option -- i |
| 22:28.31 | cp15 | BusyBox v1.00 (2005.08.14-08:43+0000) multi-call binary |
| 22:28.31 | cp15 | Usage: dmesg [-c] [-n LEVEL] [-s SIZE] |
| 22:28.51 | cp15 | try cat /etc/passwd |
| 22:29.05 | immolo | runs |
| 22:29.20 | immolo | vi also works |
| 22:29.50 | cp15 | Ok, lets get back to ipkg |
| 22:29.59 | cp15 | try mkdir /tmp/somedir |
| 22:30.18 | immolo | done |
| 22:30.24 | cp15 | Works? |
| 22:30.28 | immolo | yep |
| 22:30.43 | cp15 | give me the output of cat /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 22:31.12 | cp15 | cat /etc/ipkg/arch.conf |
| 22:31.31 | cp15 | cat /etc/mtab |
| 22:31.33 | immolo | ipkg.conf: |
| 22:31.37 | cp15 | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 22:31.45 | immolo | dest root / |
| 22:32.01 | immolo | lists_dir ext /var/lib/ipkg |
| 22:32.11 | immolo | that everything in there |
| 22:32.15 | cp15 | Same here |
| 22:32.26 | immolo | and I have to type everything by hand :P |
| 22:32.49 | cp15 | Ok, then just tell me if cat /etc/ipkg/arch.conf shows something |
| 22:32.56 | immolo | yeah |
| 22:33.04 | cp15 | cat /etc/mtab? |
| 22:33.30 | immolo | everything in there |
| 22:33.46 | immolo | same for meminfo |
| 22:34.08 | cp15 | So now I come to the conclusion that the hx4700 initrd is totally screwed |
| 22:34.23 | immolo | yep |
| 22:35.14 | immolo | wanna try the opie image? |
| 22:35.21 | immolo | or we sticking to gpe |
| 22:36.00 | cp15 | Even if gpe is not as far as opie, I like it more since it is based on a c widget set and uses sqlite for databases |
| 22:36.16 | cp15 | But the problem is most likely not related to gpe |
| 22:36.30 | cp15 | Can you make a tar of your image and dcc it? |
| 22:36.55 | immolo | sure, but I'll have to log back on to my laptop |
| 22:37.24 | cp15 | I will nfs mount it on my ba and give it a try |
| 22:37.35 | immolo | k, give me a second |
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| 22:39.55 | immolo | ok tarring up now |
| 22:40.45 | immolo | and how you manage to use you usb0 and ethernet at the same time, named and dhcp will only let me use one or the other |
| 22:43.01 | cp15 | Ahmm... Did nothing special, just set an ip address for usb0, and when I plug in my BA, the interface gets up with its ip address. I am also using dhcp on eth0 |
| 22:43.24 | cp15 | Oops, this will take some time |
| 22:43.39 | immolo | yeah crappy upload rates |
| 22:43.53 | cp15 | What line speed do you have? |
| 22:44.04 | immolo | 2meg cable |
| 22:44.10 | cp15 | Up and down? |
| 22:44.12 | immolo | so 256k/sec down |
| 22:44.24 | immolo | and I can normaly get 30 down |
| 22:44.40 | immolo | err 30 up |
| 22:45.29 | immolo | ah |
| 22:45.34 | immolo | mldonkey is running |
| 22:46.02 | immolo | bit better |
| 22:46.15 | cp15 | Ahh... Better... How much do you pay for your internet access? |
| 22:46.27 | immolo | ?25 a month |
| 22:46.40 | cp15 | Including traffic? |
| 22:46.46 | immolo | yeah |
| 22:47.30 | immolo | wait what do you mean by traffic |
| 22:48.18 | cp15 | In germany you can buy a cable line from the phone company, but its useless without an account for a ip provider |
| 22:49.08 | cp15 | So you can choose a flat rate with unlimited traffic, time based, volume based whatever you like |
| 22:50.36 | cp15 | I am currently paying about 25 Euros/Month for the cable line and 10 Euros/Month for a flat rate |
| 22:50.52 | cp15 | But its 6 MBit down, 576 KBit up |
| 22:51.32 | immolo | ah in the UK its an all in one package |
| 22:51.51 | immolo | but most have usage limits |
| 22:52.01 | cp15 | Of which kind? |
| 22:52.38 | immolo | bt the main internet provider has 10gb a month I belive |
| 22:52.56 | cp15 | Thats not much |
| 22:53.03 | immolo | no it sucks |
| 22:53.07 | immolo | but thats adsl |
| 22:53.14 | immolo | mine has 2gb a day |
| 22:53.45 | immolo | but they only care if it effects other people using the same local exchange |
| 22:54.10 | immolo | so I do about 3-4gb for the last two years and have had no warnings |
| 22:54.31 | immolo | but once they up my line to 10mb they will get tougher |
| 22:55.04 | cp15 | I still waiting for a reasonable upstream so you can stream dvd in real time to your friends |
| 22:55.32 | immolo | heh I can just about stream an mp3 at 128 bitrate |
| 22:56.29 | immolo | well if its true about japan having 100mb/sec for home connections and europe is only 7 years behind them :P |
| 22:56.46 | immolo | I can't wait to be 27 |
| 22:57.36 | cp15 | In germany the phone company is testing 25 MBit in some cities |
| 22:57.48 | immolo | :o |
| 22:58.04 | immolo | well if I lived in london I'd be alright |
| 22:58.14 | immolo | free internet access over the city |
| 22:58.45 | cp15 | Yes? How is it financed? |
| 22:58.51 | immolo | they are putting wireless access points on every lampost |
| 22:59.33 | cp15 | And you can connect without having to register? |
| 22:59.44 | immolo | well it was started for having speed cameras everywhere without having to do much work |
| 23:00.18 | cp15 | Ok, I will try |
| 23:00.30 | immolo | well we have free internet stataions in every town centre where you can logon to the net and read emails |
| 23:00.45 | immolo | you don't need to registers those |
| 23:01.23 | immolo | I bet the free wireless will only allow you view cetain website and block most things like p2p |
| 23:01.58 | immolo | I'm going to make a coffee quick |
| 23:08.10 | immolo | anyluck? |
| 23:09.31 | cp15 | The glibc is probably corrupt, but this is not the only problem |
| 23:11.08 | immolo | how about using an older image? |
| 23:13.10 | cp15 | Funny: |
| 23:13.17 | cp15 | root@blueangel:/tmp# ls |
| 23:13.17 | cp15 | root@blueangel:/tmp# mkdir x |
| 23:13.17 | cp15 | root@blueangel:/tmp# ls |
| 23:13.17 | cp15 | Segmentation fault |
| 23:13.17 | cp15 | root@blueangel:/tmp# |
| 23:13.28 | immolo | :o |
| 23:13.43 | immolo | didn't get a segfault on a ls :o |
| 23:14.05 | cp15 | Maybe we should start with the h3900 image, it seem to work much better |
| 23:14.25 | immolo | heh like it worked in the first place :P |
| 23:15.13 | immolo | I'm fine with that but I'm chaning the theme |
| 23:15.25 | cp15 | Is there a theme? |
| 23:15.33 | immolo | yeah log in as root |
| 23:15.57 | immolo | evil mac theme |
| 23:16.46 | immolo | you using it as a local user then? |
| 23:18.34 | cp15 | Yes |
| 23:18.45 | immolo | strange not much would work for me |
| 23:18.57 | immolo | even after fixing all the permission errors |
| 23:19.19 | cp15 | I just changed the theme to industrial, now I can't change it back because gpe-conf is no longer working |
| 23:19.32 | immolo | I noticed |
| 23:19.38 | immolo | doesn't work as root either |
| 23:20.51 | immolo | maybe you should send me a copy of your system so I can see where it stands |
| 23:22.24 | cp15 | The problem is: This way we won't get a clean setup. I lost track about my various changes |
| 23:22.43 | immolo | heh |
| 23:23.22 | immolo | ok so if I get a clean h3900 image and patch it with your changes |
| 23:23.47 | cp15 | So my plan is: You start from scratch, document everything and I tell you why something isn't working |
| 23:24.00 | immolo | sounds good |
| 23:24.28 | immolo | which wiki are we using to document to? |
| 23:26.15 | cp15 | Ok, you should get very far with the h3900 image. Get it from http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/v0.8.3/20050814/gpe-image-h3900-20050814160204.rootfs.tar.bz2 |
| 23:26.59 | immolo | downloading |
| 23:27.09 | cp15 | Don't know... Probably the hh wiki would be the better choice, write access to the xda-developers wiki didn't work for over a week |
| 23:27.19 | immolo | I'm guessing I'm still going to need oe |
| 23:28.04 | cp15 | Well, the primary target is to get a image out of oe, so we can start integrating patches |
| 23:28.10 | immolo | right, I'll just add a link on the xda-developers to the hh |
| 23:29.04 | immolo | ok |
| 23:29.19 | cp15 | I have to go to bed now... It's an hour later here :-) |
| 23:29.22 | immolo | well it's going to take me a day to get oe installed anyway |
| 23:29.32 | immolo | damn 64bit and oe :P |
| 23:29.49 | immolo | heh it's coming up to one now so I should too |
| 23:30.04 | cp15 | I am afraid there are enough problems with 32 bit too |
| 23:30.21 | immolo | at least it compiles though |
| 23:30.50 | cp15 | The compiler used in oe is very new, and compile of some apps break because it uses much stricter checking |
| 23:31.17 | immolo | I meant compiles oe itself |
| 23:31.38 | cp15 | ? |
| 23:32.10 | immolo | well the dependies for oe don't compile under 64bit |
| 23:32.37 | cp15 | Oh, ok. |
| 23:33.05 | cp15 | BTW: If you have monotone installed, start a pull before you go to bed. It takes a looooong time |
| 23:33.23 | immolo | its been a few years since I've last used oe so it's going to be fun |
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| 23:33.53 | immolo | I've just been using crossdev on most of my embedded projects |
| 23:33.59 | cp15 | Good evening |
| 23:34.10 | cp15 | Can't get sleep? |
| 23:34.27 | rob_w | ahchem achem |
| 23:35.29 | rob_w | looks like it |
| 23:35.42 | cp15 | But I have to go to bed now |
| 23:35.53 | immolo | night |
| 23:35.56 | rob_w | sleep well |
| 23:36.22 | cp15 | rob: Maybe you could introduce immolo into the deeper oe secrets |
| 23:36.32 | cp15 | But for me: Bye for now |
| 23:36.40 | rob_w | hmm , |
| 23:37.08 | rob_w | i could iv i would do know ;-) |
| 23:37.32 | immolo | heh |
| 23:38.48 | rob_w | how is it going immolo |
| 23:39.22 | immolo | fine, we've been using that hx4700 image before realsing it doesn't work |
| 23:40.13 | rob_w | but does it have something usable ? |
| 23:40.36 | immolo | you can ssh and use busybox but thats it |
| 23:41.07 | immolo | everything else segfaults |
| 23:42.03 | immolo | so the choice is to use the h3600 image or the h4700 opie image |
| 23:42.09 | rob_w | but the framebuffer looks good , eh |
| 23:42.31 | immolo | rather nice :P |
| 23:43.21 | rob_w | well booting a gpe 3900 image with the blueangel ready kernel works cool |
| 23:44.15 | immolo | yeah I've been using the sd image on the hh wiki alittle bit |
| 23:45.22 | rob_w | cp15 has this one already at a better stage , so to stay |
| 23:45.34 | immolo | so we are looking at using a clean h3900 image and patching to make the ba more usable |
| 23:45.51 | rob_w | yet someone needs to configure the image accordingly , as still much hardware works |
| 23:46.29 | immolo | anynews on wireless? |
| 23:46.42 | rob_w | yeah the plain kernel still needs much attention , yet cp15 boosted gomnuincator also in order to use it |
| 23:47.02 | rob_w | right , wireless |
| 23:47.47 | rob_w | we still dont know if a common chipset driver likes the ba , in sense if it does work either via pci or pcmica better |
| 23:48.14 | rob_w | so if it would we need to get to load the firwmare files and enable it |
| 23:49.08 | immolo | one day then :P |
| 23:49.10 | rob_w | the driver doc doesnt clearly say if it does better work on pci or pcmica implementations ,, but one of this type is having problems |
| 23:49.49 | immolo | the wireless in the ba is pcmica isn't it? |
| 23:49.55 | rob_w | well we know where to trigger the device phyiscly ,, but the driver code is not cleanly compiling |
| 23:50.02 | rob_w | yes it looks pcmcia |
| 23:50.28 | immolo | I'm sure I picked something up when I loaded all the pcmcia drivers in the right order |
| 23:50.34 | rob_w | but i didnt succeed in compile the modules proberly for our kernel |
| 23:50.51 | rob_w | yeah the order looks important |
| 23:51.55 | immolo | yeah I started to tidy up your initrd you posted on the hh wiki and make it load more modules at boot time |
| 23:52.09 | rob_w | but then you did trigger the device already ? or was wirelaess enabled when starting haret ? |
| 23:52.24 | rob_w | good job , didnt notice that yet |
| 23:52.36 | immolo | hmm I think I had it started in wince |
| 23:52.48 | immolo | I normaly have it on when I'm at home |
| 23:53.13 | immolo | I haven't uploaded any of my work yet |
| 23:53.15 | rob_w | the hh.org wiki looks nicer to me in general , yet xda-developers is unstalbe these days |
| 23:53.40 | immolo | I was going to use the hh.org but couldn't find where you upload to |
| 23:54.01 | immolo | and I don't have the bandwidth to use my home web server |
| 23:54.15 | rob_w | what all do you load more ? |
| 23:54.54 | immolo | ? |
| 23:55.45 | rob_w | which modules do you additionally load ! |
| 23:55.45 | immolo | load the modules? |
| 23:56.38 | immolo | ah, pcmcia some of the blueangel_ ones like kp and leds |
| 23:56.49 | immolo | I'm still testing some others |
| 23:57.27 | immolo | I've been trying to tidy up the linuxrc to not output so many errors |
| 23:58.06 | immolo | but I haven't really done that much yet |
| 23:59.14 | rob_w | good good still these things need tobe fixed or covered in a fuure image |