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| 10:27.20 | Decamerone | Heya - I want to flash my xda2s with linux - any pointers? |
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| 16:15.47 | cp15 | Good Morning (UGT) |
| 16:17.23 | cp15 | How are you today? |
| 16:19.19 | bhima | sick. stayed home. I have to go to the US Consulate tomorrow. THey don't allow electronic devices. |
| 16:25.11 | cp15 | :-( Is there a consulate close to you? |
| 16:25.54 | bhima | Frankfurt. an hour, and Eu60 by DB. |
| 16:25.59 | bhima | Also, no gadgets. |
| 16:26.12 | bhima | They don't let you bring electronic devices in. |
| 16:26.43 | cp15 | You have a PalmOS wrist watch? |
| 16:26.52 | bhima | Yes. |
| 16:26.59 | cp15 | Is it able to run linux? ;-) |
| 16:27.21 | cp15 | How much is such a thing? |
| 16:28.00 | bhima | I paid US$80. |
| 16:28.14 | cp15 | Sounds very cheap |
| 16:28.20 | bhima | http://www.fossil.com/tech/ |
| 16:30.01 | bhima | As for Linux, uclinux could theoretically run, but apps, it needs apps. :) |
| 16:32.07 | cp15 | It's missing bluetooth. So you could look on your watch who calls you and decide whether you want to answer via your headset or not |
| 16:33.26 | bhima | Yeah. :( |
| 16:50.25 | bhima | so how're you doing? |
| 16:57.49 | cp15 | Oh, I am fine |
| 20:37.05 | cp15 | I found out how to get the sim phonebook |
| 20:37.25 | cp15 | Try this command "at+crsm=178,28474,7,2,32" |
| 20:37.49 | cp15 | You can effectively read all files on the sim card |
| 20:38.45 | cp15 | Unfortunately you can't run the gsm algorithm, so we can't use modern handsfree kits which access the sim card in the phone via bluetooth |
| 20:41.00 | bhima | Any idea how much bandwidth that requires? (SIM access, that is) |
| 20:42.09 | bhima | Or how often you need to hit the SIM to do stuff? |
| 20:44.36 | cp15 | I have a communication protocol here, and the phone queries the sim card about every 80 seconds for a new key |
| 20:49.51 | bhima | Interesting. Though, I haven't seen all that many hands free kits that use that. |
| 20:51.36 | cp15 | Have seen it yesterday in a car-integrated hands free kit. If it works (it didn't very well...), very useful: You start the car phone, your mobile phone unregisters on network, offers the sim data, and when you switch off your car phone, your mobile registers again on the network |
| 20:53.35 | cp15 | You don't even need the pin, because the sim card is already unlocked |
| 20:54.08 | bhima | nifty. |
| 20:54.23 | bhima | though Europe has multi-cards... |
| 20:56.13 | cp15 | Yes, but it isn't as comfortable as the sim access. You have to be careful to not switch on both phones. So you have to turn of your mobile, activate the car phone, enter the pin, and after usage, turn on the mobile, and enter the pin |
| 20:57.50 | bhima | No, you can leave your normal phone on. |
| 20:57.55 | bhima | You can configure call routing. |
| 20:58.17 | bhima | I would also generally turn off the PIN on my car phone. |
| 20:59.34 | cp15 | With most german providers it is not possible to turn off the pin. Maybe there are phones which keep the pin, but I think they are only a few |
| 21:00.26 | cp15 | Call routing would have been my solution also, but it may confuse people if you call with a different number |
| 21:00.40 | bhima | No, multi-cards are nearlly transparent. |
| 21:00.48 | bhima | o2 lets you turn off the PIN. |
| 21:00.57 | cp15 | vodafone doesn't |
| 21:01.20 | bhima | That is obnoxious. Why not? |
| 21:01.50 | cp15 | Don't know... Maybe they want secure customers ;-) |
| 21:02.21 | bhima | Ever international SIM I have collected throughout Europe lets you turn off PIN codes, if they're even there. |
| 21:02.36 | bhima | TMobile-DE prepaid lets you turn off the PIN.\ |
| 21:03.38 | cp15 | I have just checked: Security Settings, PIN query: Not allowed |
| 21:06.22 | cp15 | What a pity they changed the algorithms a few years ago. A self-made sim card would be really nice :-) |
| 21:06.47 | bhima | Can you still activate the old cards? |
| 21:08.29 | cp15 | No, but it was possible to clone a sim card. And to merge serveral ones into one card. Depending which pin you entered, you used a different sim card |
| 21:09.28 | bhima | Did they make everybody switch to new cards? |
| 21:10.24 | cp15 | No, but all cards issued within the last 4 years have a newer algorithm, which makes it impossible to read the secret key from the sim |
| 21:11.06 | cp15 | The old algorithm does still work, but I think there are very few cards active cards left |
| 21:12.30 | bhima | So if I find somebody who's still got one of those cards... :) |
| 21:12.35 | cp15 | Hmm... Maybe they even destroyed the old cards? Mine died unexpectedly, they told: We have deleted it, someone reported your phone as stolen |
| 21:13.52 | cp15 | You can clone his card. But it doesn't work with T-Mobile, since they have an other algorithm. And you need the pin and some time... |
| 21:15.25 | bhima | ahh, the old days of ESNs were so much easier. :) |
| 21:16.56 | cp15 | ESN? |
| 21:17.33 | bhima | Electronic Serial Number. WIth the US-standard analog phones, and maybe the European ones, the phone's serial number was sent OTA. |
| 21:18.05 | bhima | grab it, and you can clone. |
| 21:19.47 | cp15 | Ah... Seems easy... Is the analog mobile network in US still working? |
| 21:19.58 | bhima | There were rumors of some phones re-programmed to include ESN grabbing features. |
| 21:20.17 | bhima | So you could just auto-grab a new ESN and not worry about them disabling your old one. :) |
| 21:20.30 | bhima | For another year or two, I believe, yes. |
| 21:20.58 | bhima | Alaska may keep it for longer. |
| 21:21.27 | cp15 | :-) Oh yeah good old times with free phoning... But phoning (at least wire-bound) is now so cheap it isn't worth the trouble |
| 21:21.33 | bhima | They have somewhat sparser cell towers. |
| 21:21.59 | bhima | People still buy 3 watt transportable phones :) |
| 21:22.03 | cp15 | And I think mobile phoning will get cheaper in germany soon |
| 21:22.51 | cp15 | Oh yeah, and you probably need a car battery to operate it |
| 21:24.51 | bhima | If you buy a Thuraya satellite phone, you can stick your GSM SIM in it, and "roam" onto their satellite. |
| 21:25.47 | bhima | ARound EU0.80/minute. |
| 21:26.14 | cp15 | Really? Sounds not so expensive |
| 21:27.33 | bhima | Yeah, I was quite surprised. |
| 21:27.53 | bhima | It sounds cheaper to roam than to buy their SIMs if you don't use it much. |
| 21:27.57 | bhima | Around $600 for the phone. |
| 21:28.17 | cp15 | I have already checked :-) And the phones are small and include also gsm |
| 21:28.40 | cp15 | In germany there is a saying: "Where is the hook?" |
| 21:29.04 | bhima | "What's the catch?" in the US. |
| 21:29.39 | bhima | Think about it this way. _all_ of their minutes are in the dollar range. That's a lot of money. |
| 21:30.31 | bhima | The main thing with the previous options was the high minimum cost. |
| 21:30.35 | cp15 | Ah, it doesn't operate worldwide. Just in europe, africa (without south), near east, central asia and india |
| 21:30.46 | bhima | Yeah. Geostationary. |
| 21:31.00 | cp15 | No americas, no australia, no north- and no southpole :-) |
| 21:31.12 | bhima | Iridium is the only polar option, AFAIK. |
| 21:31.30 | bhima | Free incoming if you use one of their SIMs. :) |
| 21:31.59 | bhima | (Of course, Thuraya has their own country code, so they can charge whatever they want...) |
| 21:32.01 | cp15 | :-) Free for the phone user, but probably extremely expensive for the caller |
| 21:32.28 | bhima | I saw Inmarsat rates at one point of $20/minute. |
| 21:32.51 | bhima | That's a bit much for a single voice channel... |
| 21:33.28 | cp15 | Thats a good thing against boring telephone calls from customers :-) |
| 21:34.49 | bhima | I wouldn't mind that if _I_ got the $20/minute. |
| 21:35.30 | bhima | I knew somebody who had a contract that specified a 4 hour minimum billable time. Phone calls were billable. |
| 21:35.43 | bhima | There was a day when he billed >24h. |
| 21:36.54 | cp15 | Did he still live after seeing the bill? |
| 21:37.33 | bhima | They did ask him about the bill and question it, he pointed out that's what the contract specified, they paid him, and apparently kept calling him anyway. :) |
| 21:38.03 | cp15 | Ah, I have found a iridium price list. 172 euro for 75 minutes prepaid, only valid 1 month |
| 21:38.41 | bhima | ouch. |
| 21:39.20 | cp15 | And the phone costs 1333 euro, including a 12 month contract |
| 21:40.04 | cp15 | And the phones have a very clumbsy antenna |
| 21:40.06 | bhima | http://www.satphonestore.com/servprod/iridium/AirTime.htm $135 for 75 minutes. :) |
| 21:40.49 | cp15 | I think I have to look for something else for my polar expedition :-) |
| 21:42.05 | bhima | $950 for the phone from these guys. |
| 21:43.45 | bhima | I think the big antennas look cute. :) |
| 21:43.48 | cp15 | You just have to buy 5000 minutes, and it gets as cheap as $0.85 per minute |
| 21:45.28 | cp15 | Do you think it can at least signal a call when the antenna is in? |
| 21:49.22 | bhima | http://store.yahoo.com/satphonestore/kvhtracf77in.html 64kbps data. |
| 21:51.46 | cp15 | Just 20 k$? I have to order ;-) |
| 21:52.00 | bhima | http://store.yahoo.com/satphonestore/regbgansatip.html This one has bluetooth |
| 21:53.02 | cp15 | I have already seen it, much cheaper but works only around europe |
| 21:56.15 | cp15 | You can rent a sat phone for $40/week. Maybe this would be worth the fun |
| 21:59.58 | bhima | Orbcomm's mobile e-mail terminal is kinda interesting. Works out to be $0.32 per 160 characters, which is competitive with many SMS rates. :) |
| 22:03.24 | cp15 | What is the matter with south africa all the time? nearly no satellite service which covers it |
| 22:05.10 | cp15 | I think I will go to bed now |
| 22:05.17 | bhima | good night :) |
| 22:05.38 | cp15 | Good night too |