| 00:21.55 | immolo | Thank fuck for that |
| 00:22.29 | immolo | last time I broke my xda it took two months for them to send me a new one |
| 00:23.11 | bhima^ | hmm? |
| 00:23.33 | immolo | the thing stop working for an hour |
| 00:23.44 | immolo | wouldn't turn on or charge |
| 00:25.56 | bhima^ | That doesn't sound very pleaseant. |
| 00:26.06 | bhima^ | What happend with your xda? Two months is a long time to wait. |
| 00:26.36 | immolo | I got very drunk and dropped it down the toilet |
| 00:27.02 | immolo | the screen doesn't like to get wet |
| 00:27.02 | bhima^ | Oops. |
| 00:27.36 | immolo | yeah lucky my insurcene covers all that |
| 00:27.53 | immolo | or it really would of been ?500 down the pan |
| 00:30.10 | bhima^ | That's good, though two monthis is lame. |
| 00:31.15 | immolo | That's o2 fault really as soon as they deemed it out of their hands the company took it to there people and sent a new unit out to me within 3 days |
| 00:31.30 | immolo | it's the annoying thing with UK providers |
| 00:33.24 | immolo | anyway to double check I need usbnet support to be able to talk to the pda from the host right? |
| 00:35.40 | bhima^ | I don't remember. I'm sorry. I'm not very familiar with the bootup process. |
| 00:36.08 | bhima^ | and I need to go now. Meeting in 8 hours, and I want to sleep. |
| 00:41.41 | immolo | ok |
| 00:41.41 | immolo | bye |
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| 09:43.40 | bhima^ | hey rob. |
| 10:35.12 | rob_w-cgi | hey bhima^ |
| 10:35.23 | rob_w-cgi | was on lunch sorry |
| 10:37.39 | bhima^ | I need to eat some lunch too. Be back in a few minutes. |
| 10:37.53 | bhima^ | hrm. I think I need to reboot this computer. |
| 10:38.08 | rob_w-cgi | sure |
| 10:38.09 | bhima^ | because linux has totally fux0red the USB serial stuff. |
| 10:38.31 | bhima^ | won't unload the driver cause it's in-use. |
| 10:38.33 | rob_w-cgi | yeah usb seems still general problems every where |
| 10:38.35 | bhima^ | but it's not. |
| 10:38.50 | bhima^ | it pretends to work when I plug in my pda2k... |
| 10:38.56 | bhima^ | but won't actually work. |
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| 10:59.51 | bhima | Do you know how I can make the usbserial module know about my blueangel without insmod'ing it with that statically listed? |
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| 11:18.27 | rob_w-cgi | what do u exactyl mean .. loading it on plucking the BA ? |
| 11:21.36 | rob_w-cgi | or u maybe want to hack in the usb id into the config |
| 11:28.02 | bhima | I want to add its device IDs into the confid. |
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| 11:35.31 | clmntch | hello |
| 11:37.58 | bhima | Hi. |
| 11:47.39 | rob_w-cgi | welcome clmntch |
| 11:48.21 | rob_w-cgi | bhima check /lib/modules/YOURVERSION/usbdevic.map i think |
| 11:49.09 | rob_w-cgi | s/usbdevice.map/modules.usbmap |
| 11:49.41 | bhima | Found it. Ok. |
| 11:49.49 | bhima | Any idea where it comes from? :) |
| 12:08.33 | clmntch | bhima: are you the same bhima from h6300-port |
| 12:09.04 | clmntch | yup |
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| 12:18.22 | bhima | re. |
| 12:18.48 | bhima | clmntch: Yeah. I have a blueangel and an h6300. |
| 12:19.24 | rob_w-cgi | re |
| 12:21.55 | bhima | My h6300 has a big-ass battery which should last for a long, long time. my blueangel has more DRAM, faster CPU, and a keyboard built-in. |
| 12:28.46 | rob_w-cgi | ah the 6300 was also in my choice list but then i chose the BA |
| 14:38.00 | rob_w-cgi | hmm bhima , try serving xda-developers.com ... does it work for u ? |
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| 14:50.14 | cp15 | Hi... There seems to be a problem with xda-developers.com |
| 14:51.40 | rob_w-cgi | [16:38] <rob_w-cgi> hmm bhima , try serving xda-developers.com ... does it work for u ? |
| 14:51.47 | rob_w-cgi | hi cp15 |
| 14:52.04 | cp15 | Hi rob |
| 14:54.24 | cp15 | Maybe they change the server? |
| 14:54.45 | cp15 | Now i get a sql error |
| 14:55.41 | cp15 | BTW: cr2 (which has most likely the same display as you) will test the new fb driver |
| 14:58.04 | bhima | No DNS for it. |
| 15:10.36 | rob_w-cgi | xda is back for me |
| 15:10.59 | rob_w-cgi | cool let him test the fb ! good idea ! |
| 15:18.09 | rob_w-cgi | but nonethe less i will boot that kernel today evening .. |
| 15:51.32 | clmntch | bhima: i know |
| 15:51.42 | clmntch | bhima: what all works on the blueangel? |
| 15:51.49 | clmntch | or a good link to a good status page? |
| 15:52.46 | bhima | The channel topic has the best links that I am aware of. |
| 15:53.28 | clmntch | i don't see anything in those links about audio |
| 15:54.04 | bhima | I don't _think_ that audio is working right now. The mixer is able to be manipulated into feeding telephony audio to the speaker, however. |
| 15:54.39 | bhima | bluetooth and wifi are not curently working. It has been suggested that this may change very soon. |
| 16:01.21 | rob_w-cgi | bbl at home |
| 16:01.49 | cp15 | And... I think I got data transfer |
| 16:01.53 | cp15 | via gsm |
| 16:01.59 | bhima | woot! |
| 16:02.12 | cp15 | At least I can see the ppp control chars in the dpram |
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| 16:06.20 | bhima | ok. I'm going to try out stuff using the modem emulator thing over USB to my linux box, and see if I can actually make it connect via PPP to GPRS. |
| 16:06.44 | bhima | remind me what the dpram actually is? |
| 16:09.18 | cp15 | It is probably a dual ported ram between gsm cpu and main cpu |
| 16:09.35 | cp15 | It seems the uart is only for protocol and the dpram is used to transfer the actual data |
| 16:11.35 | bhima | Interesting. I wonder why. Do you think they feed audio data over it? |
| 16:12.47 | cp15 | Absolutely. The bluetooth chip IMO does not have an analog input/output |
| 16:15.15 | bhima | The other option would be to digitize the audio using the device's ADC. |
| 16:15.33 | bhima | Almost all BT chipsets do have audio IO of some kind. |
| 16:16.17 | bhima | At least, every one I've looked at has had a PCM interface of some sort. |
| 16:16.55 | cp15 | Unfortunately a datasheet is not available |
| 16:21.46 | cp15 | Then again: Maybe it isn't used for audio transfer... The TX Buffer seems a bit small |
| 16:22.35 | bhima | It's worth noting that the device appears unable to do phone audio and system audio over bluetooth. |
| 16:22.38 | bhima | It will only route the phone. |
| 16:24.54 | cp15 | But the ringtone has to be transmitted via bluetooth, I think. So there seems to be the possibility to transmit digital audio via bluetooth |
| 16:25.31 | bhima | You can make a headset emit its own ring tone via RFCOMM, AFAIK. |
| 16:25.49 | cp15 | Ah... Do you know which ringtone you can hear? |
| 16:25.49 | bhima | I _think_ you can just send it RING or something :) |
| 16:26.01 | bhima | I don't remember. I'll check in a moment. |
| 16:30.03 | bhima | headset's built-in ring toone. |
| 16:31.15 | cp15 | hmmm... what a pity |
| 16:32.12 | bhima | SO that would _tend_ to suggest that they do something like route the PCM audio data over the BT module's PCM IF. Not definite, though. |
| 16:32.43 | cp15 | I think I will try something: Build up a BT connection and boot linux. If the connection stops, it is probably transferred via software, if not, via hardware |
| 16:33.20 | cp15 | Also i think its worth a try to look if some of the dma registers point to dpram |
| 16:33.41 | bhima | Right now I'm goiing to see if I can do GPRS. |
| 16:34.02 | bhima | Even if the audio is done via hardware, I don't know how much handshaking is needed. |
| 16:34.08 | cp15 | But even if it is in hardware we have to find out how to switch from microphone and speaker to BT |
| 16:34.28 | bhima | Right. |
| 16:34.36 | cp15 | Yeah, and there is one additional reason to have it done in hardware: The timing |
| 16:35.22 | cp15 | if you do the transfer in software BT will always be a bit ahead or behind gsm and you have to stuff in or drop some data |
| 16:36.08 | cp15 | OTOH i have heard BT was very problematic in early BAs. That votes for the software solution |
| 16:36.27 | bhima | The h6300 is done in software, it would appear. |
| 16:36.36 | bhima | You can mix system audio during phone calls. |
| 16:36.50 | cp15 | I see |
| 16:39.51 | cp15 | Is the "call waiting" signal also generated from the headset itself? |
| 16:40.53 | bhima | Hmm. dunno. |
| 16:42.32 | cp15 | I think I will check |
| 16:49.16 | bhima | ok. it worked. |
| 16:49.27 | bhima | GPRS using WModem, that is. |
| 16:49.47 | bhima | Now it's definitely possible that wmodem does weird, bizarre things with the interfaces. |
| 16:53.55 | cp15 | I think I will eat something |
| 16:54.06 | bhima | I need to head home shortly. |
| 16:54.16 | cp15 | You are still at work? |
| 16:54.28 | bhima | yeah. Though I didn't come in to work till 11am. |
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| 17:55.40 | cp15 | immolo: Are you the immolo from xda-developers.com |
| 17:55.42 | cp15 | ? |
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| 18:03.27 | immolo | yeah :P |
| 18:03.46 | cp15 | Did you get your sd card working? |
| 18:03.50 | immolo | Thanks for the help by the way |
| 18:04.14 | immolo | yeah I never thought of looking in /dev/mmc |
| 18:04.25 | cp15 | Not for me, thank cr2 |
| 18:04.34 | cp15 | But he is not here, it seems... |
| 18:04.36 | immolo | even though I modprobed it any everything |
| 18:04.47 | immolo | too many c based named :P |
| 18:04.56 | cp15 | :-) |
| 18:06.09 | immolo | There was one thing though is there a way to force an ssh connect though a cetain interface on the host system |
| 18:06.34 | immolo | my named system messes up connecting to the pda |
| 18:07.23 | cp15 | I don't think so, you have to setup the routing properly |
| 18:08.48 | immolo | the only way I can thing of is to connect from the server and have give it full access to the networkl |
| 18:09.34 | cp15 | How does your network setup look like` |
| 18:09.35 | cp15 | ? |
| 18:18.56 | immolo | sorry had to finish some wasihng quick |
| 18:20.00 | immolo | my network is just a dhcpd with named so any computer that gets an ip uses the server for dns |
| 18:27.08 | cp15 | And your problem with ssh is? |
| 18:27.31 | immolo | my pda is connected to the laptop |
| 18:28.27 | immolo | hmm I've got an idea |
| 18:29.47 | immolo | I'll test it out in a little bit |
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| 18:31.51 | rob_w | ~lart pocket IE for collecting tons of temp files |
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| 20:13.32 | cp15 | bhima: Bluetooth audio is transfered via hardware :-( |
| 20:15.02 | cp15 | It continued to work until linux shut bluetooth down and also I have seen the data from my last transfer in the dpram, and no audio data |
| 21:06.40 | cp15 | Yeahhh.... Bluetooth is working |
| 21:16.20 | bhima | So is it just a standard UART device, or is there something special? |
| 21:17.28 | cp15 | It is a standard uart device, but you have to turn on the power to the chip first (of course...) and use hciattach with device "texas" |
| 21:22.19 | bhima | Interesting. Do you have any idea how the wince semi-sleep bluetooth stuff works? |
| 21:23.14 | cp15 | Semi sleep? |
| 21:24.16 | bhima | Yeah. When the device is "off" you can still send OBEX stuff. |
| 21:24.20 | bhima | and just about anything else. |
| 21:24.28 | bhima | but it's...not that reliable. |
| 21:24.34 | bhima | As in, long transfers won't work. |
| 21:25.18 | cp15 | Ah... Well... There are 2 bits to enable the chip. Probably one for the chip itself and one for the radio |
| 21:26.22 | cp15 | If you disable the radio (hopefully the transmitter only) the chip will still get requests. You can then wakeup the device, receive and process the message and go to sleep again |
| 21:26.35 | bhima | The h6300 doesn't do that. It's one of my favorite features, since that makes it easy for my pen to work without having to turn it on. |
| 21:27.34 | cp15 | I see |
| 21:27.49 | cp15 | The dpram is only half working. I can only receive data :-( |
| 21:28.33 | bhima | ie: I pull out my pen, scribble stuff, tap "send" and it then it sends an OBEX message with my data. I have Python code that processes the file. |
| 21:29.11 | bhima | Interesting. I got PPP handshaking working using WModem. |
| 21:30.01 | cp15 | I think I have to look closer how the setup of the dpram is when windows has an active connection |
| 21:31.36 | bhima | I did notice that it _seems_ that WModem knows when the link is shut down. |
| 21:32.01 | bhima | That would tend to suggest something strange like dpram transfers. |
| 21:33.06 | cp15 | Can you tell from the following text whether BT supports audio? |
| 21:33.12 | cp15 | hciconfig hci0 features |
| 21:33.12 | cp15 | hci0: Type: UART |
| 21:33.12 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.12 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.12 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.13 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.15 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.19 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.13 | bhima | hmm. not positive. let me check one that works. |
| 21:37.05 | bhima | hci0: Type: USB |
| 21:37.05 | bhima | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.05 | bhima | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.05 | bhima | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.05 | bhima | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.06 | bhima | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.08 | bhima | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.10 | bhima | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.26 | cp15 | Transparent SCO is missing |
| 21:39.12 | bhima | I'm seeing if I can figure out what that means. |
| 21:40.28 | bhima | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=1881&max_rows=25&style=nested&viewmonth=200310 |
| 21:40.34 | bhima | Sounds like it's not very important. |
| 21:45.26 | cp15 | :-) I see. I have already thought this means it doesn't support audio |
| 21:45.58 | bhima | In most cases, I believe the problem is that the interface needs to be fast enough. |
| 21:51.02 | cp15 | The uart runs at 921600 baud on windows. Unfortunately it runs only at 115200 on linux, since the command to tell the chip "We want a higher rate" is missing |
| 21:51.55 | bhima | Ok. I think that will need to be fixed before BT audio will work. |
| 21:52.42 | bhima | What do you mean, the command is missing...? |
| 21:54.49 | cp15 | From the hciattach man page |
| 21:54.52 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.52 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.52 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.53 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.57 | cp15 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.35 | bhima | Have you tried the higher speed ones? |
| 22:04.08 | cp15 | Yes, they don't work. The initialisation fails |
| 22:07.51 | cp15 | I will ask the person who programmed the texas vendor code. Probably he knows the command |
| 22:08.07 | bhima | Yeah, that's a good idea. It sounds like it should be pretty easy to fix with the right magic. |
| 22:11.59 | cp15 | Do you know how to connect to a headset? sdptool browse gives a "operation not supported" on it |
| 22:13.53 | bhima | Is it discoverable? |
| 22:14.04 | cp15 | Yes |
| 22:14.39 | cp15 | And I can browse the sd of other devices, but not the headset |
| 22:15.07 | bhima | Try l2ping on it? |
| 22:15.49 | cp15 | I will try |
| 22:18.31 | cp15 | l2ping 00:08:1B:88:86:84 |
| 22:18.32 | cp15 | Can't connect: Function not implemented |
| 22:19.48 | cp15 | Another phone in range responds to l2ping |
| 22:20.21 | bhima | heh. |
| 22:21.49 | bhima | Your phone, or somebody else's? |
| 22:24.17 | cp15 | My phone :-) |
| 22:24.35 | cp15 | I will try to rfcomm connect |
| 22:28.27 | cp15 | Ah... hcid was not running |
| 22:28.52 | cp15 | But I still don't get a popup window asking for the pin |
| 22:55.43 | cp15 | Ok, got a connection |
| 22:55.59 | cp15 | It shows "AT+CKPD=200" when pressing the button |
| 22:59.19 | cp15 | I will go to bed now. Good night everyone |