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`08:57.24`	`rob_w-cgi`	`hey all`
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`08:59.09`	`rob_w-cgi`	`hi a_`
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`09:53.16`	`rob_w-cgi`	`~weather edma`
`11:57.24`	`rob_w-cgi`	`~seen cp15`
`11:57.30`	`apt`	`cp15 <i=slifgw@p549A056A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-blueangel, 13h 27m 38s ago, saying: 'I will go to bed now (at least if my knoppix cd works). Good night'.`
`11:58.22`	`rob_w-cgi`	`~help`
`12:00.35`	`rob_w-cgi`	`~author`
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`14:52.02`	`rob_w-cgi`	`~seen TimRiker`
`14:52.09`	`apt`	`timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 18h 19m 49s ago, saying: 'Tupone: I'd like to release soon, yes. I'm nervous about the plugin working on all arches, but I've not played with it much either.'.`
`14:53.03`	`rob_w-cgi`	`~stats`
`14:53.05`	`apt`	`Since Thu Sep 8 14:21:18 2005, there have been 95 modifications, 900 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1013 commands. I have been awake for 7d 31m 45s this session, and currently reference 109200 factoids. I'm using about 19472 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 21529.89/1264.4 child 0.14/0.05`
`14:55.57`	`rob_w-cgi`	`~apt`
`14:55.59`	`apt`	`well, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. an infobot, the same instance of a blootbot as ibot, jbot, and purl`
`14:56.26`	`rob_w-cgi`	`~owner`
`14:56.28`	`apt`	`TimRiker is my owner`
`14:56.35`	`rob_w-cgi`	`~TimRiker`
`14:56.37`	`apt`	`from memory, timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org mailto:Tim@TI.com maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool person, ...`
`15:38.11`	`* topic/#htc-blueangel by rob_w-cgi -> http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelResearch NEW 2.6.12-hh2 uploaded at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelKernel **** GPE related wiki is at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel -- PLS Welcom our new member apt : He is a nice infobot so query him via ~help`
`15:38.32`	`* topic/#htc-blueangel by rob_w-cgi -> http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelResearch NEW 2.6.12-hh2 uploaded at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelKernel **** GPE related wiki is at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel -- PLS Welcome our new member apt : He is a nice infobot so query him via ~help`
`15:52.37`	`rob_w-cgi`	`bb later that evening !`
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`18:03.55`	`cp15`	`Hi everyone`
`18:06.25`	`bhima^`	`guten abent.`
`18:06.37`	`bhima^`	`nokia 770 is almost released!`
`18:09.18`	`bhima^`	`How're you?`
`18:20.20`	`cp15`	`Fine, thanks. What do you mean with "almost released?"`
`18:20.54`	`bhima^`	`I am expecting an e-mail any day now with a URL to let me order one. :)`
`18:21.35`	`cp15`	`Ah... How much is it?`
`18:22.37`	`bhima^`	`Around Eu300 retail; there were also 500 developer units available if you could convince them you were going to do something interesting and open source, at Eu100.`
`18:22.54`	`bhima^`	`They just stopped accepting new applications for that, in anticipation of its imminent release.`
`18:23.03`	`bhima^`	`The official release is "Q3/2005"`
`18:24.07`	`cp15`	`Hmm... Maybe this is a better device as remote control than the nintendo ds i thought first of`
`18:24.19`	`bhima^`	`Oh. yes. _definitely_ better!`
`18:24.23`	`bhima^`	`But also more expensive.`
`18:25.14`	`cp15`	`Tne specs state RS-MMC. No SD?`
`18:25.44`	`bhima^`	`RS-MMC is reduced-size; AFAIK mini-SD is physically different.`
`18:26.48`	`cp15`	`Aha, but MMC only transfers 1 bit per clock cycle, SD 4 bits (and even this isn't really fast). How about RS_MMC?`
`18:27.16`	`bhima^`	`No idea.`
`18:28.21`	`cp15`	`On the other hand: It hast Wireless-G. So for at-home use you probably don't need an external storage anyway.`
`18:28.40`	`bhima^`	`http://www.howardchui.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=174`
`18:28.45`	`bhima^`	`pictures of RS-MMC vs. mini SD`
`18:29.50`	`cp15`	`Oh yeah, the mini SD is really much smaller than the normal one ;-)`
`18:30.09`	`cp15`	`Why couldn't they agree on a common form factor... Sigh...`
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`18:33.15`	`rob_w`	`hey all`
`18:33.22`	`rob_w`	`cp15, got my botmail ?`
`18:33.38`	`bhima^`	`RS-MMC seems even more pointless than miniSD - at least miniSD connectors might be lower profile.`
`18:36.55`	`rob_w`	`how is it going to all ?`
`18:37.05`	`rob_w`	`bhima^, investigating sd ?`
`18:37.25`	`bhima^`	`No, we were talking about the NOkia 770.`
`18:37.43`	`rob_w`	`ah , interessting device`
`18:38.01`	`bhima^`	`I'm eagerly awaiting my developer unit. Soon....soon....`
`18:38.27`	`rob_w`	`how much do they now retail this thing ?`
`18:38.52`	`bhima^`	`Around Eu300, eventually. Not available yet. No phone, notice.`
`18:39.11`	`cp15`	`rob_w: yes`
`18:39.17`	`rob_w`	`300 wow , i thought this is more then 400`
`18:39.22`	`rob_w`	`cp15, cool thinge eh`
`18:39.29`	`cp15`	`Currenty no new diffs :-(`
`18:39.48`	`rob_w`	`cp15, i actually have problems applyinjg the first ones ...`
`18:40.16`	`cp15`	`Tell me`
`18:40.25`	`rob_w`	`would u mind sending over the whole source for gomunicator .. so then i will try to merge it inot my 0.1.3`
`18:40.52`	`rob_w`	`well patch just doesnt find the correct file to patch even when i use the wildest -pX options`
`18:41.15`	`cp15`	`Ok, i will pack it`
`18:41.34`	`rob_w`	`also i am "eager" to test the suspend stuff ,,, so i could have tests throughout a day`
`18:41.36`	`rob_w`	`cool`
`18:42.24`	`rob_w`	`also the gpe people told me we are free to send our stuff even during the freeze ,, they will then check what bits are touched and may use it already`
`18:43.29`	`cp15`	`I think what we need is a change in gpe-contacts so you can dial a contact directly and to add a phone number to a new or existing contact`
`18:43.40`	`rob_w`	`what is cool on apt is that it will tell us the last message on irc of a user .. like`
`18:43.49`	`rob_w`	`~seen rob_w`
`18:43.55`	`apt`	`rob_w is currently on #gpe (7m 38s) #utah (7m 38s) #htc-blueangel (7m 38s). Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 6s`
`18:44.34`	`rob_w`	`thnx`
`18:45.21`	`cp15`	`I have fixed the initialisation and added an (very incomplete) pdu parser, because parsing ascii SMSes is a bit hard`
`18:45.26`	`rob_w`	`they said we can adapt the technic from gpe-beam .. as this app can recieve system() calls with parameters wihtout starting a need fork of gpe-beam`
`18:45.47`	`cp15`	`And the pdu format gives more information`
`18:46.04`	`cp15`	`I have already seen it. It works via dbus.`
`18:46.14`	`rob_w`	`right dbus is the magic thing`
`18:46.29`	`cp15`	`We have to implement a dbus-Service for gomunicator`
`18:46.59`	`cp15`	`I think we need: Dial Number (optionally with Name), and Send SMS at first`
`18:47.07`	`rob_w`	`what does pdu stand for ?`
`18:47.44`	`rob_w`	`sounds good`
`18:48.23`	`cp15`	`protocol description unit (i had to look...)`
`18:48.31`	`rob_w`	`ah`
`18:48.51`	`cp15`	`In this format a SMS looks like this:`
`18:49.08`	`cp15`	`07917283010010F5040BC87238880900F10000993092516195800AE8329BFD4697D9EC37`
`18:49.52`	`cp15`	`BTW: Does at least the kernel diff work?`
`18:49.59`	`rob_w`	`that worked nice`
`18:50.06`	`cp15`	`Ok`
`18:50.13`	`rob_w`	`will diff8 give me suspend to work =`
`18:52.00`	`cp15`	`Yeah, at an incomplete level. But your lcd won't work with a diff8 kernel. Don't know if it even works with a diff9 one`
`18:52.43`	`cp15`	`And the suspend itself is incomplete. The phone lasts only about 15 hours in suspend mode. I think I have to disable more functions :-)`
`18:52.54`	`rob_w`	`oh`
`18:53.06`	`rob_w`	`but it is a start`
`18:54.09`	`rob_w`	`ok thanks for the diff , that gives me work`
`18:54.15`	`rob_w`	`ah i meant source`
`18:54.21`	`cp15`	`Yes, I will check all asic3 registers (they have a nice power fail mode value) before going to suspend. I think there is a lot what can be disabled`
`18:55.22`	`rob_w`	`like all beside gsm`
`18:55.58`	`cp15`	`Ah, cr2 is back on the xda-developers forum. Maybe he will analyse the windows keyboard driver so we can use the keyboard soon`
`18:56.21`	`rob_w`	`cool bring him in here !`
`18:56.25`	`bhima^`	`Do you know how the keyboard is interfaced at all?`
`18:57.25`	`cp15`	`Maybe... I have seen a hint in an ipaq model with keyboard which is stating that some asic3 afr (Alternate Function Registers) for SPI are set for this model`
`18:57.26`	`bhima^`	`ie: uart, i2c, telepathy, etc`
`18:57.42`	`cp15`	`But i have no idea which commands to send where to use it`
`18:59.10`	`cp15`	`There is a complete list of parts of the blueangel at http://www.electronicproducts.com/whatsinside/viewteardown.asp?filename=HTC%5FXDA%5FIII%5Fweb%2Ehtml`
`18:59.25`	`cp15`	`But nothing even looks remotely like a keyboard controller`
`18:59.38`	`cp15`	`Maybe a PIC processor which is also on the board`
`19:00.49`	`cp15`	`And there are still a few other things i am missing: The control of the wlan and bluetooth leds, the control of the charging current (you can use 500 or 100 mA on USB) and the status of the charging process`
`19:01.45`	`cp15`	`But in the above list there is the charging controller for the BA. It is standalone (except for the status lines and current select), so there is no risk of overcharging the battery on linux`
`19:02.50`	`bhima^`	`Nice. So that means this device will probably behave properly under linux from a power-management standpoint, yes?`
`19:04.02`	`cp15`	`Yes. The charging will work ok, but the discharging is currently a bit uncontrolled :-)`
`19:05.03`	`bhima^`	`As I've whined about, the h5555 is utterly shitty from a power standpoint. The battery seems to die quickly, and it gets confused and refuses to charge. You need to remove the battery for 8h or more if you let the battery drain to empty.`
`19:07.39`	`cp15`	`Oh... Ok, the Blueangel doesn't have such problems. But you have to charge it 30 minutes on usb (probably less than 10 minutes on the charger) to use it again if the battery went empty.`
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`19:08.37`	`_bob_w`	`== wtf`
`19:09.08`	`cp15`	`Your timeout :-)`
`19:09.35`	`_bob_w`	`yeah i served the electronic link from u`
`19:11.21`	`_bob_w`	`bbl`
`19:13.03`	`cp15`	`Hmm... Have to dump all my pretty key ids for the buttons because the x server has problems with key ids > 127`
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`19:40.46`	`rob_w`	`your source doesnt compile to me`
`19:41.22`	`rob_w`	`actually it doesnt link`
`19:43.23`	`cp15`	`What errors do you get?`
`19:43.56`	`rob_w`	`wow , processReadLine() looks really better`
`19:44.08`	`rob_w`	`that is waht i always wanted`
`19:44.16`	`rob_w`	`:q`
`19:44.48`	`rob_w`	undefined reference to `audio_on'
`19:44.48`	`rob_w`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:45.37`	`cp15`	`You have to link io.o (compiled from io.c)`
`19:46.45`	`cp15`	`Do you also want the source to audio?`
`19:46.55`	`rob_w`	`sure`
`19:47.23`	`cp15`	`And you also probably need gsminit to bring the modem to a defined state`
`19:48.28`	`rob_w`	`aha aha`
`19:48.33`	`cp15`	`That are the tools the world has waited for ;-)`
`19:49.24`	`cp15`	`And... You probably want my gomunicator startup script, don't you?`
`19:51.21`	`cp15`	`Ah... Shouldn't it be spelled gommunicator???`
`19:52.10`	`cp15`	`And the newest kernel diff?`
`19:52.12`	`cp15`	`Sure`
`19:52.14`	`rob_w`	`if u consider me as a world then yes`
`19:53.03`	`rob_w`	`ok, let me quickly look at them all`
`19:55.39`	`cp15`	`If you get a kernel compiled with diff12 and can see something on the lcd, you can publish the diff`
`19:55.57`	`rob_w`	`that sounds like a big diff !`
`19:56.44`	`cp15`	`No, actually it is much smaller than the previous diffs ;-). I have cleaned up a bit :-)`
`19:56.49`	`rob_w`	`s/diff/if`
`19:57.15`	`cp15`	`Ok... Then let me repeat:`
`19:57.23`	`cp15`	`IF you get a kernel compiled with diff12 and can see something on the lcd, you can publish the diff`
`19:57.25`	`cp15`	`;-)`
`19:58.36`	`cp15`	`bhima: What features do you need on BA linux to be useful for your work`
`20:00.11`	`bhima^`	`cp15: wifi and phone control.`
`20:00.47`	`bhima^`	`For my personal desires, bluetooth and GPRS.`
`20:01.17`	`rob_w`	`bhima^, how much is gprs for u ? what does 100k cost ?`
`20:01.27`	`bhima^`	`Actually, wifi alone would make it pretty useful, I think.`
`20:01.34`	`bhima^`	`rob: I pay Eu10/month for 10MB right now.`
`20:01.49`	`cp15`	`Ok, wifi should be doable in a few days. Phone control... You have it, but only at at layer. But if i remember correctly, you wanted to do a library`
`20:02.14`	`bhima^`	`cp15: Right. For GPRS to be useful, I need to implement the multi-plexing stuff.`
`20:02.24`	`cp15`	`Bluetooth is maybe easy to fix, maybe not... GPRS will still take some research...`
`20:02.55`	`bhima^`	`GPRS is reasonably high on my personal agenda, but my personal agenda doesn't get me money :)`
`20:03.01`	`cp15`	`Maybe i will take a shot on wifi and bluetooth on weekend`
`20:03.28`	`bhima^`	`I am definitely willing and able to make GSM multi-plexing work.`
`20:04.02`	`bhima^`	`Once wifi works, I can switch over to linux nearly full time on the device, so that will encourage more hackery :)`
`20:04.15`	`bhima^`	`Bluetooth, I need that for my pen.`
`20:04.29`	`cp15`	`I still think data calls are related to dpram. But it is only my opinion`
`20:05.22`	`cp15`	`Yes, thats why I switched to linux, even if its in alpha state at best`
`20:05.27`	`cp15`	`What pen?`
`20:05.51`	`bhima^`	`Nokia SU-1B.`
`20:06.37`	`cp15`	`Send your notes and drawings from the pen to compatible Nokia phones using Bluetooth wireless technology`
`20:06.46`	`bhima^`	`That's one way to do it`
`20:06.49`	`bhima^`	`The other is to hack it.`
`20:06.59`	`cp15`	`Does it use a serial protocol?`
`20:07.21`	`bhima^`	`Depends...`
`20:07.26`	`bhima^`	`Some paper makes it do GPRS.`
`20:07.33`	`cp15`	`Huh?`
`20:07.41`	`bhima^`	`It uses HTTP to transfer your document.`
`20:07.46`	`bhima^`	`to an Anoto-run server.`
`20:07.51`	`bhima^`	`over GPRS from your phone.`
`20:08.09`	`cp15`	`I think I wouldn't like that`
`20:08.13`	`bhima^`	`Why not?`
`20:08.51`	`cp15`	`It should get to the phone, and not to some strange server`
`20:09.10`	`bhima^`	`Oh. Yes. That's why I use the other system.`
`20:09.11`	`bhima^`	`I did a lot of hacking of this...`
`20:09.16`	`bhima^`	`I use other paper.`
`20:09.23`	`bhima^`	`My paper sends a file over OBEX.`
`20:09.25`	`cp15`	`It's a bit expensive`
`20:09.35`	`bhima^`	`It's in a proprietary format.`
`20:09.46`	`bhima^`	`I have a first pass decoder.`
`20:10.12`	`bhima^`	`So now I can send the strokes over bluetooth my a linux box.`
`20:10.59`	`cp15`	`It should work without special paper, that would be more useful`
`20:11.13`	`bhima^`	`Except that that's not possible.`
`20:11.18`	`bhima^`	`How would you know your position?`
`20:11.25`	`bhima^`	`it knows your _absolute_ position.`
`20:11.31`	`bhima^`	`And it knows which page you're on.`
`20:11.48`	`rob_w`	`phue that kernel diff now really patches something !`
`20:11.51`	`cp15`	`Integrate the acceleration in the tip and you get the velocity. Integrate the velocity and you get your position`
`20:12.20`	`cp15`	`Ok, high precision required in getting the acceleration`
`20:12.32`	`bhima^`	`cp15: That's still only relative to some arbitrary origin even if your accelerometers are perfect.`
`20:12.38`	`bhima^`	`cp15: what if you move the paper?`
`20:12.43`	`bhima^`	`and how do you know what page you're on?`
`20:12.56`	`bhima^`	`I can print the dots on a decent laser printer.`
`20:14.11`	`bhima^`	`The modem does PPP handshaking when I tell it to do GPRS via ATD*99#`
`20:14.21`	`cp15`	`Ok, then maybe a very little mouse-ball in the tip? I think the page issue is not so important`
`20:14.36`	`cp15`	`Ok, i will look what happens if I send ATD*99#`
`20:14.40`	`bhima^`	`I think the page issue is critically imporant.`
`20:14.47`	`cp15`	`Really?`
`20:14.48`	`bhima^`	`I have a notebook with lots of pages.`
`20:15.02`	`bhima^`	`I don't always finish notes on one project before I write notes on another.`
`20:15.10`	`bhima^`	`Also, one of my setups invovles printing out my source code.`
`20:15.13`	`bhima^`	`and scribbling all over it.`
`20:15.24`	`bhima^`	`and then opening up elipse and looking at the scribling in the editor...`
`20:16.33`	`cp15`	`atd*99#`
`20:16.33`	`cp15`	`CONNECT`
`20:16.36`	`cp15`	`Nothing more`
`20:16.44`	`cp15`	`Quick, tell me how to disconnect :-)`
`20:16.52`	`bhima^`	`~?}#.!}!}!} }2}"}&`
`20:16.54`	`bhima^`	`is what I get.`
`20:16.59`	`cp15`	`Ok, it disconnected automatically`
`20:17.08`	`bhima^`	`at+cgdcont=1,"IP","foo"`
`20:17.11`	`bhima^`	`is what I did before.`
`20:17.16`	`bhima^`	`but foo shoudln't work.`
`20:17.17`	`cp15`	`i got a no carrier soon`
`20:17.19`	`bhima^`	`so I'm confuzzled.`
`20:17.43`	`cp15`	`t+cgdcont=1,"IP","foo"`
`20:17.43`	`cp15`	`ERROR`
`20:17.51`	`cp15`	`a missing`
`20:17.58`	`bhima^`	`not on my screen it's not. :P`
`20:19.26`	`cp15`	`at+cgdcont=?`
`20:19.28`	`cp15`	`+CGDCONT: (1-2),"IP",,,(0,1),(0,1)`
`20:19.38`	`cp15`	`at+cgdcont=1,"IP"`
`20:19.46`	`cp15`	`OK`
`20:20.04`	`bhima^`	`I confused the modem.`
`20:20.26`	`bhima^`	`there we go.`
`20:20.33`	`cp15`	`atd*99#`
`20:20.33`	`cp15`	`CONNECT`
`20:20.41`	`cp15`	`But no ppp chars`
`20:21.06`	`cp15`	`Hmm... Now I don't get the no carrier`
`20:21.18`	`bhima^`	`Try putting in the correct APN for your carrier?`
`20:21.32`	`cp15`	`How?`
`20:22.01`	`bhima^`	`replace foo with your APN.`
`20:22.24`	`cp15`	`Think I better reset the gsm modem now. Vodafone charges on GPRS connect time`
`20:22.34`	`bhima^`	`They do? eww`
`20:23.06`	`cp15`	`It is only around a cent per hour... But still`
`20:23.35`	`bhima^`	`Ahh, ok. So you don't mind it if you're using it, but don't want to leave it on 24/7.`
`20:23.43`	`bhima^`	`See, in the US, I just would leave GPRS live 24/7`
`20:23.51`	`bhima^`	`checking my e-mail via pop3 every 15 minutes`
`20:24.30`	`bhima^`	`found a bug in the P800 OS. Dialogs kept the backlite on. even background ones.`
`20:24.35`	`bhima^`	`"checking mail" was a dialog.`
`20:24.42`	`cp15`	`But if someone who doesn't like you pings your device all the time?`
`20:24.43`	`bhima^`	`There was a 10 or 15 minute TCP connection timeout.`
`20:25.15`	`cp15`	`Can you tell me how to disconnect gprs?`
`20:25.16`	`bhima^`	`They'd need to find my device's IP.`
`20:25.22`	`cp15`	`at+cgdcont=1,"IP","wap.vodafone.de"`
`20:25.22`	`cp15`	`OK`
`20:25.22`	`cp15`	`atd*99#`
`20:25.23`	`cp15`	`ERROR`
`20:25.42`	`cp15`	`If you send a mail its probably in the header?`
`20:26.25`	`bhima^`	`atd991# ?`
`20:26.43`	`bhima^`	`So I'm regularly sending e-mails to people who don't like me and will try to pingflood my cellphone...?`
`20:26.48`	`cp15`	`atd991#`
`20:26.48`	`cp15`	`ERROR`
`20:27.06`	`bhima^`	`atd99**1#`
`20:27.24`	`cp15`	`atd99**1#`
`20:27.24`	`cp15`	`ERROR`
`20:27.29`	`cp15`	`I will try the reset now`
`20:27.37`	`bhima^`	`(I've seen both used; I _think_ the latter is correct, but I've also seen it suggested that any number of *'s will work)`
`20:28.58`	`cp15`	`atd*99#`
`20:29.03`	`cp15`	`CONNECT`
`20:29.08`	`cp15`	`but nothing more`
`20:29.23`	`cp15`	`NO CARRIER`
`20:29.23`	`cp15`	`now`
`20:29.38`	`bhima^`	`how very strange. I will try it tomorrow some more.`
`20:29.49`	`bhima^`	`(I'm using it with the virtual modem thing over USB from linux)`
`20:30.05`	`cp15`	`I think I will look into dpram stuff tomorrow`
`20:30.38`	`bhima^`	`at+cgatt=1`
`20:30.51`	`cp15`	`OK`
`20:31.04`	`cp15`	`atd*99#`
`20:31.06`	`cp15`	`CONNECT`
`20:31.29`	`cp15`	`NO CARRIER`
`20:35.15`	`rob_w`	`nclude/asm/page.h:100:2: #error Unknown user operations model`
`20:35.53`	`rob_w`	`include/asm/glue.h:119:2: #error Unknown data abort handler type`
`20:36.17`	`cp15`	`Which .config did you use?`
`20:36.22`	`bhima^`	`the usbserial drive ron my linux box has broken.`
`20:36.30`	`rob_w`	`blueangel.defconfig`
`20:36.39`	`cp15`	`Ok`
`20:36.49`	`cp15`	`I will take a look`
`20:37.29`	`rob_w`	`wait`
`20:37.59`	`cp15`	`grep XSCALE include/linux/autoconf.h`
`20:38.01`	`bhima^`	`I'll try this out tomorrow and see what results I get.`
`20:38.15`	`cp15`	`Ok`
`20:38.30`	`rob_w`	`cp15, nothing ?`
`20:38.50`	`cp15`	`make menuconfig and exit without changing anything`
`20:39.30`	`rob_w`	`ok ,,stupid typo when copying the config`
`20:41.11`	`rob_w`	`do i need to look at blueangel_lcd or somewher else to get my lcd up and running for sure ?`
`20:41.28`	`rob_w`	`as i will compare it to diff 7 which worked`
`20:42.06`	`cp15`	`That doesn't work. diff7 used himalayafb which is replaced by w100fb.`
`20:42.24`	`rob_w`	`oh`
`20:42.58`	`cp15`	`And w100fb does real initalisation of the ati chip`
`20:43.12`	`rob_w`	`that should be faster then , right ?`
`20:43.18`	`cp15`	`I have taken your values from dump_ati, but a mistake is not impossible`
`20:43.31`	`cp15`	`Not yet, but suspend should work`
`20:44.02`	`cp15`	`And (theoretically) hardware rotation, but I didn't get it to work`
`20:45.40`	`cp15`	`If the lcd shows nothing readable make a hard reset immediately before the smoke comes out`
`20:45.51`	`rob_w`	`??`
`20:45.58`	`rob_w`	`serious ?`
`20:46.22`	`cp15`	`Yes, the BA is working with magic smoke. If the smoke gets out, it won't work any more`
`20:47.13`	`rob_w`	`well then let me do a smoke here to praise the big ghost`
`20:47.24`	`rob_w`	`~chant the BlueAngel`
`20:47.27`	`apt`	`the BlueAngel ! the BlueAngel !! the BlueAngel !! the BlueAngel!!!!!!!`
`20:47.31`	`bhima^`	`LCDs are, unfortunately, possible to kill.`
`20:47.47`	`rob_w`	`~hail BlueAngel`
`20:47.48`	`apt`	`ACTION bows down to BlueAngel and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"`
`20:48.42`	`cp15`	`But i think the danger is very small. IMHO the biggest danger is the electrolyse effect, and it won't occur in a few seconds`
`20:49.16`	`bhima^`	`My phone's under warranty.`
`20:49.24`	`cp15`	`Mine too :-)`
`20:49.42`	`cp15`	`But its hard to wipe all traces if you can't see anything`
`20:50.20`	`bhima^`	`But all traces are in DRAM.`
`20:50.36`	`cp15`	`A new display costs EUR 199 including exchange service`
`20:50.38`	`bhima^`	`And they are exceedingly unlikely to do a forensic analysis of a single defective device.`
`20:51.10`	`cp15`	`No, I have changed the EXTROM to get a faster linux boot`
`20:51.27`	`bhima^`	`ahh, ok.`
`20:51.48`	`rob_w`	`well`
`20:53.57`	`cp15`	`Well?`
`20:54.26`	`rob_w`	`well i dont want to fry it until i dont know for sure that get a instant full replacement`
`20:54.54`	`bhima^`	`I've already had one replacement. The first one we got here had serious touch screen alignment issues.`
`20:55.06`	`bhima^`	`It would require re-alignment every day or two.`
`20:55.14`	`bhima^`	`and sometimes would produce zig-zags.`
`20:55.18`	`bhima^`	`Expansys sent out a new one.`
`20:57.12`	`cp15`	`It won't fry`
`20:57.30`	`rob_w`	`u scared me :-(`
`20:57.41`	`cp15`	`:-) That was intended`
`20:57.50`	`bhima^`	`ok. home time.`
`20:58.33`	`rob_w`	`so what , what fe happens if u used the wrong mhz ?`
`20:59.00`	`cp15`	`You won't see anything recogniseable`
`20:59.14`	`rob_w`	`beside the smoke`
`20:59.32`	`cp15`	`:-)`
`21:01.02`	`rob_w`	`ok so i will give it a try soon`
`21:01.16`	`rob_w`	`also tired here`
`21:01.31`	`cp15`	`Ok, don't worry, everything will be alright`
`21:01.36`	`rob_w`	`talk to u soon and GOOD JOB ,, oh what is with the 20t`
`21:01.40`	`rob_w`	`20th`
`21:01.54`	`cp15`	`When are you at home at 20th?`
`21:02.19`	`rob_w`	`at home 19.40`
`21:02.24`	`rob_w`	`around`
`21:03.02`	`cp15`	`Is there something interesting in augsburg to watch? I think I will have finished the job in the early afternoon`
`21:03.38`	`rob_w`	`oh ahm`
`21:04.04`	`rob_w`	`Puppenkiste`
`21:04.15`	`cp15`	`Ah... Ok`
`21:04.38`	`rob_w`	`wel lets see maybe i get oout earlier`
`21:04.45`	`rob_w`	`keep u posted ,,`
`21:06.01`	`rob_w`	`good night all`
`22:06.02`	`cp15`	`Will go to bed real soon now`
`22:06.13`	`bhima^`	`I need to eat a bit first, then sleep`
`22:06.17`	`cp15`	`good night`
`22:06.27`	`cp15`	`i try to loose some pounds`
`22:07.21`	`*** part/#htc-blueangel cp15 (i=fonfdf@p549A0BD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`22:27.25`	`*** join/#htc-blueangel immolo (n=immolo@cpc1-cosh1-4-0-cust126.cos2.cable.ntl.com)`
`22:27.54`	`immolo`	`hey`
`22:31.45`	`bhima^`	`helo.`
`22:33.06`	`immolo`	`So you guys finally got somewhere on the blueangel port :D`
`22:39.26`	`immolo`	`is it quite usable yet?`
`22:42.04`	`bhima^`	`Depends on what hardware you want to work.`
`22:42.44`	`bhima^`	`I don't think it's really usable yet, but it's coming along very, very well. I haven't contributed any code yet, but I'm hoping to do some work on the GSM stuff soon.`
`22:46.03`	`immolo`	`well I'm about to hard reset my pda anyway so I thought I'd test it out`
`22:46.53`	`immolo`	`hardware coding is my thing but I'd be more then happy to help get a working distro on it`
`22:48.43`	`bhima^`	`Device driver and register config foo is something that is still being worked on a lot.`
`22:49.43`	`immolo`	`heh so I'm looking at a quick test and back to windows then really?`
`22:51.01`	`bhima^`	`Yeah. Unless you don't need bluetooth or wifi.`
`22:54.09`	`immolo`	`I can live without them for linux`
`22:54.24`	`immolo`	`how about the phone?`
`22:55.18`	`bhima^`	`Nominally working. Calls and SMS work, I believe. I haven't tested it out myself.`
`22:55.36`	`immolo`	`:o`
`22:56.16`	`immolo`	`well I'll fire it up now and see what happens`
`22:57.08`	`immolo`	`I'm guessing it pretty much the same as the Himalaya booting?`
`22:58.12`	`bhima^`	`I think so. I don't recall the full himalaya instructions.`
`22:59.16`	`immolo`	`well I meant the tux red eyes and the ssh to get in stuff`
`23:00.40`	`bhima^`	`Oh, yes.`
`23:01.37`	`immolo`	`great`
`23:07.14`	`immolo`	`do I need a ppp0 in my ifconfig to ssh?`
`23:07.24`	`immolo`	`on the host that is`
`23:16.27`	`immolo`	`oh wait I remember`
`23:23.19`	`immolo`	`:o`
`23:23.32`	`immolo`	`I think I just bricked it`

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