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| 06:49.07 | auzieman | hi folks.. anyone up? |
| 06:49.55 | auzieman | A hawk board noob, linux savy user wants to know the best way to backup the default image |
| 06:50.59 | auzieman | or at least where to download the dang thing.. looks like angstrom has an image builder but I am not too warm and fuzy over the options.. |
| 06:51.10 | auzieman | I would hate to brick this poor thing.. |
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| 21:18.47 | Elive_user67_en | any hawkboard linux users in the room? |
| 21:19.18 | auzieman | I need a tip on backing up the current load of the board.. |
| 21:30.46 | auzieman | any hawkboard linux users in the room??? |
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| 21:59.26 | auzieman | any actual humans in the room? |
| 21:59.54 | auzieman | I'd like to figure out where this bootm command is supposed to be? |
| 22:02.48 | ds2 | U-boot |
| 22:06.30 | auzieman | U-boot.. in the booted rom on the board? |
| 22:06.45 | ds2 | one would hope, yes. |
| 22:07.14 | auzieman | interesting.. the base image doesn't have either command.. this is fresh from the factory |
| 22:07.36 | auzieman | the only Uboot control I have found so far is if I cable up via windows and run those TI tools |
| 22:07.40 | ds2 | what is the prompt you are looking at? |
| 22:07.50 | auzieman | Or is this the wrong prompt :/ |
| 22:08.04 | auzieman | like grub I have to catch it in startup to get to the prompt? |
| 22:08.07 | ds2 | if you tell me the prompt, I could give it a guess |
| 22:08.17 | auzieman | @HawkBoard |
| 22:08.22 | ds2 | or are you looking for a random answer like a magic 8ball :D |
| 22:08.37 | ds2 | just "@HawkBoard"? nothing else??? |
| 22:08.44 | auzieman | Yes.. loaded that on the iphone :) mmm magic 8ball.. |
| 22:08.56 | auzieman | well yes [@HawkBoard /]# |
| 22:09.12 | ds2 | tell me how did you get there then (start frompower up) |
| 22:09.39 | auzieman | I got the angstrom site to build me a spiffier image, got that opened up on my mmc card.. want to try a boot from it.. |
| 22:09.50 | auzieman | strait powerup + waiting :) |
| 22:09.59 | ds2 | sounds like you are in Linux |
| 22:10.20 | auzieman | let me hit the restet.. yes the default image that is in the NAND from the factory |
| 22:10.45 | ds2 | usually you have to hit a key on the serial port to drop into u-boot unless there is no Linux image there |
| 22:10.46 | auzieman | ahh.. I've been letting it boot up on its own.. |
| 22:10.59 | ds2 | do 'uname' and see if it does anything useful |
| 22:11.03 | auzieman | Now I am at the "right" prompt" :) |
| 22:11.17 | ds2 | glad it worked |
| 22:11.30 | ds2 | I need to get hacking with it :D |
| 22:11.35 | auzieman | thanks for the nudge.. these android / angstrom docs really need help |
| 22:12.02 | auzieman | well, actually if the hawk user guide was better it would help too.. |
| 22:12.22 | auzieman | hey, while I have you,, is there any clean way to backup / restore the default ramdisk? |
| 22:12.31 | auzieman | maybe via tftp? |
| 22:13.04 | auzieman | I'd hate to brick the lil guy.. |
| 22:14.06 | ds2 | not really |
| 22:14.19 | ds2 | just jump in :D |
| 22:14.38 | auzieman | so if one pones it to heck we have to resort to the UART Boot via the windows tools? |
| 22:16.20 | ds2 | generally one has to do something special to nuke U-boot |
| 22:16.27 | ds2 | and as long as U-boot is around, you should be ok |
| 22:17.13 | auzieman | ahh like sun etc.. yea I am skimming through the helptext right now.. honestly I haven't used U-Boot yet |
| 22:17.28 | auzieman | Meant too.. but never could make my self fork the money for an AmigaOne over.. |
| 22:18.12 | auzieman | angstrom's site is cool, just doesn't do much beyond built the image.. we need to make some youtube vids, detailed guides etc.. |
| 22:18.41 | auzieman | Gota say though the angstrom build system is slick.. |
| 22:18.55 | ds2 | blah |
| 22:18.57 | ds2 | :) |
| 22:19.10 | auzieman | gentoo should take notes.. :) |
| 22:19.11 | ds2 | Linux is Linux... no reason to be distro centric |
| 22:19.26 | auzieman | don't get me wrong as soon as I hammer it out androids going on my board.. |
| 22:19.40 | ds2 | android is just another linux distro |
| 22:23.46 | auzieman | yea,, but I really don't want to build it all... I want networking, python, gcc, apache a rather long haul actually.. |
| 22:24.18 | auzieman | a distro "ideally" cuts down on all that compiling / dependancy resolution.. |
| 22:25.01 | ds2 | *shrug* it is less trouble to build it myself |
| 22:25.06 | auzieman | though I must say this embilinux repo sync is taking for fricking ever.. |
| 22:25.16 | ds2 | OE/Android/etc is a major timesync |
| 22:25.43 | ds2 | it is like going from San Francisco to New York via China, and Europe |
| 22:26.28 | auzieman | maybe.. but if I spend weeks building / configuring all the crud I want thats weeks I don't get to spend making my board run my robots |
| 22:27.08 | auzieman | yes Ill bring some 80 packages I may not need along the way.. |
| 22:27.35 | ds2 | weeks? try a few hours |
| 22:27.43 | auzieman | really.. |
| 22:28.37 | auzieman | like say base, net, sshd, httpd (with python, php + mods) python, gcc, openvis, festival, lua, netutils.. |
| 22:28.44 | auzieman | all reasonably recient.. |
| 22:29.08 | ds2 | sure... the longest wait is compile |
| 22:29.09 | auzieman | and usbserial, usbdisks, quickcam / ibmcam support |
| 22:29.22 | ds2 | all those are kernel confgs |
| 22:30.02 | auzieman | yes, though quick cam is a wee bit o apps too.. no sense in having cams if you don't have something to capture images with.. |
| 22:30.54 | auzieman | screentoast such a task, pause in the boaring bits.. |
| 22:31.12 | auzieman | And I only telecomuted to New York, China and Europe.. |
| 22:32.03 | auzieman | you may be just the gcc jocky I am looking for, like robots? |
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| 22:32.38 | auzieman | In my spare time I am tinkering with a public project that someday may will have a private arm.. |
| 22:33.13 | auzieman | boards like this, base systems like blender's game engine, controllers like atmegas and servo controllers |
| 22:33.25 | ds2 | I am a general embedded guy |
| 22:33.27 | auzieman | puting "Sarge" (quake) into the robot |
| 22:33.36 | ds2 | so it'd include robots |
| 22:34.05 | auzieman | I have a friend who is a rather good solidworks guy, |
| 22:35.02 | auzieman | ubuilt-bots.com is my drupal page, nothing to write home over, |
| 22:35.32 | auzieman | just hoping to get more people to try their hands at robotics, even without slick fabs and expensive parts |
| 22:36.10 | ds2 | I can fab parts =) |
| 22:36.56 | auzieman | well my budget is supper small :) 4 kids, stay at home mom.. so all we have is dads money.. |
| 22:37.41 | auzieman | The guy from special computing (selling hawkboards) is looking for good builds / guides.. he thinks if the docs etc were better we could see alot more users of hawk, beagle etc. |
| 22:38.02 | auzieman | I would tend to agree with him.. |
| 22:38.06 | auzieman | take this bit.. |
| 22:38.21 | auzieman | http://elinux.org/Hawkboard .. . Booting Linux Kernel |
| 22:38.54 | auzieman | the bit that leads to pay atention to that u-boot prompt is downplayed |
| 22:39.15 | auzieman | the code segments should have shown that hit key within 3 seconds to interupt boot.. |
| 22:39.19 | ds2 | *shrug* |
| 22:39.35 | ds2 | I used to work with them on the BB stuff |
| 22:39.56 | auzieman | really.. |
| 22:40.11 | auzieman | did it go badly? |
| 22:41.21 | ds2 | it all blew up |
| 22:41.27 | ds2 | the LCD board they are selling is my design |
| 22:41.39 | ds2 | now they are screwing the support stuff |
| 22:43.04 | auzieman | thats a shame, if I needed a display on my project I probably would have went beagle / your lcd |
| 22:43.16 | auzieman | and yes the support sucks.. |
| 22:44.15 | ds2 | I'm looking to rememdy that |
| 22:44.15 | ds2 | it just takes time to build an alternative infrastructure |
| 22:44.22 | ds2 | I have an improved LCD board version to replace that |
| 22:48.00 | auzieman | See one thing I could see these boards becoming is a real opensource (E17 WM :) ) tablet.. |
| 22:48.36 | auzieman | looks like I still need to do some homework on booting especially via mmc |
| 22:49.06 | ds2 | opensource tablet? hehe would you like to buy one? :D |
| 22:49.08 | ds2 | hehe |
| 22:49.23 | ds2 | that is such a easy project |
| 22:49.37 | auzieman | I know.. actually Asus may have one out soon.. |
| 22:49.45 | auzieman | they demoed one at CES |
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| 22:50.09 | ds2 | if I wasn't busy rebuilding the infrastructure... I could show one now... :( |
| 22:50.11 | auzieman | but one that has good handwriting libs, multi touch very macish.. yet open |
| 22:50.25 | ds2 | another thing these boards are good for is a simple ebook reader |
| 22:50.45 | auzieman | yes.. |
| 22:51.12 | auzieman | bigg fat yes.. but how do you get epaper.. specs, display driver.. |
| 22:51.24 | ds2 | I have that |
| 22:51.43 | ds2 | once I get the infrastructure setup, I could sell such an interface if someone is interested in buying |
| 22:51.45 | auzieman | If one could get enough volume I bet you could slap an ereader together for like 150-200 and still make 75 - 100 bucks a shot |
| 22:52.14 | auzieman | If this hawkboard at low run is like sub 100.. jeez |
| 22:52.21 | ds2 | not likely to be enough volume... the displays are $$$$ in small quantities |
| 22:52.39 | ds2 | the display is about $80-$100 in sub 1000 peices! |
| 22:52.43 | auzieman | thats what the amazone guys are missing, they could do more volume if they break the consumer 150$ buble |
| 22:53.07 | ds2 | if someone wants to invest and build 100000 units and inventory them.... |
| 22:53.18 | auzieman | I'm not saying it would be easy.. hosted services etc to knock down the upfront cost |
| 22:53.35 | ds2 | hawk/beagle/leopard are indirectly subsidized |
| 22:54.30 | auzieman | Yea the special computing guy mentioned that, I gues alot of companies / startups are buying these for prototype work.. |
| 22:56.34 | auzieman | google may, they are attempting to enter the tablet / reader market.. |
| 22:56.49 | ds2 | the reader market is screwed up |
| 22:57.07 | ds2 | I would not buy any of the existing units out there... I do NOT want it to be account based |
| 22:57.24 | ds2 | Amazon demostrated what can happen and why it is a bad idea |
| 22:57.31 | auzieman | aww who wouldn't love to Eburn books accross the world :/ |
| 22:57.44 | auzieman | yea, too much control is not a good thing.. |
| 22:57.49 | ds2 | no, theproblem is ebooks come with strings attached |
| 22:57.50 | auzieman | like my damn Iphone.. |
| 22:58.19 | ds2 | when I buy a book, I am happy to agree to not make copies and give them away but I want to be able to freely sell it, donate it, etc |
| 22:58.34 | auzieman | thats what I am saying,, even if it started in the 200+ range, no strings?! simcard slot so you can reg your gsm with whoever you want, |
| 22:58.52 | auzieman | access to libraries but no issues with self loaded ones.. |
| 22:58.56 | ds2 | I rather not go there |
| 22:59.10 | auzieman | user storage always apart from os, so no updates etc can effect their library |
| 22:59.11 | ds2 | I rather have BT on there and tether... no reason to have 234324143242423423423 wireless accounts |
| 22:59.36 | auzieman | hehehe.. . were just lucky they aren't implanted |
| 22:59.43 | chroos | hi |
| 22:59.44 | ds2 | the other half of it is there are plenty of existing libraries that I want access to...i.e. archive.org and the projectgutenberg (sp) books |
| 22:59.55 | ds2 | hi chroos |
| 23:00.08 | auzieman | scribus.. |
| 23:00.18 | chroos | say are you known to programm the armcode of the hawkboard without os? |
| 23:00.34 | auzieman | but like my stupid Iphone, unless I jailbreak it I can't save my pdfs to the phone and read them offline.. |
| 23:00.43 | ds2 | not me... I only do bare metal on the smaller chips |
| 23:00.51 | auzieman | ds2, auzieman@gmail |
| 23:00.56 | auzieman | brb |
| 23:01.01 | ds2 | auzieman: that's why I won't ever touch iphones |
| 23:01.04 | chroos | i bought that omap-l138 experimenter kit and dont want to run an os |
| 23:01.26 | chroos | i got many things managed atm, buti somehow suck at interrupts |
| 23:01.46 | ds2 | it just isn't worth the time to do baremetal on these things |
| 23:05.05 | chroos | hm |
| 23:13.21 | auzieman | yieks android compiles against java 1.5.. |
| 23:13.51 | ds2 | HE HE HE |
| 23:14.45 | auzieman | so being that I bolo'd booting my angstrom build on my mmc card, Idon't suppose the great and mighty ds2 would know the boot args with the uimage is in /boot on the mmc card? |
| 23:15.10 | ds2 | hahahahhaaha |
| 23:15.12 | auzieman | I'm puttin java 5 in.. ewwww |
| 23:15.16 | ds2 | sorry, not off hand |
| 23:15.24 | auzieman | I still recovered, thank the u-boot |
| 23:15.30 | auzieman | I didn't save my env |
| 23:15.36 | ds2 | if I had my unit in front of me, I could probally tell you |
| 23:15.57 | ds2 | if it is like the other boards, I'd try: |
| 23:15.58 | auzieman | in grub you would actually declare the kernel image |
| 23:16.03 | ds2 | mmcinit |
| 23:16.07 | ds2 | fatls mmc 0 |
| 23:16.18 | ds2 | and see what that says but donno if that'll work off hand |
| 23:17.08 | auzieman | it has fartls |
| 23:17.09 | auzieman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.32 | auzieman | but mmcinit seems missing.. |
| 23:18.02 | auzieman | I think I saw something from that guy who came up with the board that he didn't enable mmc booting |
| 23:18.13 | ds2 | try "mmc init"? |
| 23:18.27 | ds2 | oh Khasim? |
| 23:19.16 | ds2 | in that case... try 'setenv bootargs root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootwait $bootargs' |
| 23:19.18 | ds2 | or like |
| 23:19.47 | auzieman | yea him.. |
| 23:19.53 | auzieman | let me see.. |
| 23:21.51 | ds2 | basically the goal is to prepend the root... stuff to bootargs (if it isn't there already) |
| 23:23.00 | auzieman | but if I then say, "boot" it seems to goto the nand dev.. |
| 23:23.30 | ds2 | what you need to do is load the kernel off NAND but use rootfs on the SD card if U-boot does not natively support the SD interface |
| 23:24.01 | auzieman | I was thinking about that,, |
| 23:25.17 | auzieman | I think with this board thats going to be the case, what will be interesting is building one image for the nand that chains to the fs contents in the sd card.. |
| 23:32.30 | ds2 | you can put multiple images on NAND |
| 23:40.17 | Gaston|Home | one the recent changes here http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/log/?h=ti%2Fstaging&qt=grep&q= are the update of uboot to latest. I f it works with MMC on hawkboard I dont know. |
| 23:40.39 | Gaston|Home | http://dominion.thruhere.net/git/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?h=ti/staging&id=8e312edc27d8e293f567fa4b8b43ab54721b914e |
| 23:41.55 | auzieman | but in order to put images in nand I need to take my board over to windows? I guess I am still missing that bit.. looks like uboot can tftp too.. so I guess I would pick a new call word and tftp the other image over |
| 23:42.09 | ds2 | no |
| 23:42.16 | ds2 | you can do it in windows or maybe even uboot |
| 23:42.24 | ds2 | s/windows/linux/ |
| 23:42.36 | ds2 | in linux, you can use mtdutils to write it to NAND |
| 23:42.51 | ds2 | just avoid the part with x-loader/u-boot and you should be fine |
| 23:44.52 | auzieman | http://wiki.davincidsp.com/index.php/Mtdutils ? |
| 23:45.13 | ds2 | yeah |
| 23:45.46 | auzieman | and I thought my atmega was going to be fun to fully utilize :/ |
| 23:45.54 | ds2 | hehehe |
| 23:46.55 | auzieman | ya know what us nobs need? a vbox or kvm or vmplayer image with all these tools and a good walkthrough .. |
| 23:47.17 | auzieman | I may break down and go grab my vista laptop tonight |
| 23:47.31 | ds2 | IIRC, someone is working on that for the BB... think it was a BB contest entry |
| 23:47.51 | ds2 | just dive in head first and learn |
| 23:48.20 | auzieman | yea, thats why I bought the darn thing :) |
| 23:51.00 | auzieman | seriously though if uboot can support mmc booting innovative should put that rev + docs into their google code page.. |
| 23:51.10 | auzieman | I could be done with my experiment already :) |
| 23:52.43 | auzieman | I figured it was complicated, so that 0x000... is actually a register pointer, and I'll bet that if your ramdisk is too big you cant say use 0a and 0b you have to split and load each chunk to 0a, 0b respecitvly? |
| 23:55.27 | ds2 | FWIW, MMC/SD boot is actually quite rare |
| 23:57.39 | auzieman | yes but, and I am probably wrong, however if all you had in nand was uboot couldn't you reclaim the rest of the 128mb for regular ram? |
| 23:57.55 | ds2 | nope |
| 23:58.04 | ds2 | NAND is indirectly accessed |
| 23:58.09 | auzieman | ahh.. so thats hard allocated period |
| 23:58.20 | auzieman | like I said, probably wrong |
| 23:58.36 | auzieman | well in my lil world thats how I'da had it done :) |
| 23:58.50 | auzieman | fast large sd is abundant and cheap |
| 23:58.54 | ds2 | right... think of NAND as the inside guts of a SD card |
| 23:58.59 | ds2 | SD card == COntroller + NAND |
| 23:59.07 | ds2 | NAND is cheaper |
| 23:59.11 | auzieman | ah.. |