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| 04:41.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | [notice] I started token bulk mailing. This is for the BoD elections to start in 13h, so we finally get a new *elected* BoD again. the tokens are still the same as for the past election(s), so you as well can use your "old" token and accountname you received for referendum and MMC/HFC elections |
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| 06:13.11 | dm8tbr | finds it amusing how it's mandatory to take part in a troll ridden forum to be considered 'part of the community allowed to vote' |
| 06:26.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | dm8tbr: who got such funny rules? |
| 06:27.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you are mistaken regarding maemo elections: the account you're supposed to have is a GARAGE account, NO tmo account |
| 06:28.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | the eligibility-to-vote rules are pretty clear about that |
| 06:28.24 | dm8tbr | well, garage account, whatever |
| 06:28.35 | dm8tbr | it said something about karma and foo |
| 06:28.45 | dm8tbr | that's why I always stop reading this crap |
| 06:30.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | since account on garage is free and instantly for $random-sockpuppet, there is no other way |
| 06:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | or would you prefer to type in your N900 imei? |
| 06:31.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | or allow trolls to ruin not only tmo but also maemo elections? |
| 06:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | those rules got thoroughly discussed and finally approved in a referendum by community |
| 06:34.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and obviously nobody was able to come up with anything conceived better by a significant part of community |
| 06:34.43 | dm8tbr | shrugs |
| 06:34.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | shrugs too |
| 06:35.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | suggest sth better, or live with what's available |
| 06:35.50 | dm8tbr | my point being: I'd need to know in advance that I'm expected to do all sorts of crap that I don't care about to be able to vote on something where the value is not apparent |
| 06:36.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's thoroughly and comprehensively documented both for rules/procedures as for rationale and process behind it's invention |
| 06:36.30 | dm8tbr | if that means I'm not a 'worthy part of the community' then I don't care |
| 06:36.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | who's going to decide if you're a "worhty part of community2 then? |
| 06:37.03 | dm8tbr | and I suspect I'm not alone |
| 06:37.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're for sure not alone in not groking the concept |
| 06:38.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | karma is supposed to actually automagically evaluate whether you're an active member of community, in a way as fair as possible by any automatism |
| 06:38.34 | dm8tbr | then one might be tempted to think that it's not the people who don't get it, but that this is obscure stuff that nobody was made aware of |
| 06:39.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | the stuff is not obscure, you just don't bother to learn about it |
| 06:39.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | you prefer to rant |
| 06:39.52 | dm8tbr | I'm trying to make a point in my criticism |
| 06:40.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're ignoring the facts though |
| 06:40.32 | dm8tbr | because I was never made aware of them and they are not part of me being in the community |
| 06:40.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | fact s like http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process which is age old |
| 06:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | you don't need to worry about any of that, since your karma builds up automatically |
| 06:43.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're not supposed to actively do *anything* (except maybe link your tmo account to your garage account for better/higher karma, which you're told when creating a tmo account afaik) to qualify for eligibility to vote |
| 06:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | your contributions are evaluated by karma, and karma is base for eligibility to vote |
| 06:46.01 | dm8tbr | how does karma come from me having been active on IRC for the last 2 years? |
| 06:46.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and for this term we even announced special relaxed rules that allow *everybody* to 'manually' apply for a ballot at council@m.o, since certan flaws in m.o infra and recently broken karma calculations made us (me) consider it would be unfair to those interested in voting when vroken m.o services would defeat that |
| 06:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | activity on IRC, though a long pending and much asked for feature, is not easy to implement for an algorithm |
| 06:47.15 | dm8tbr | that wasn't in what you posted earlier. it just said 'you need to have x carma or sod off' |
| 06:47.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | so on wiki page about karma calculation you can read about that |
| 06:47.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that it's not (yet) implemented, regrettably |
| 06:48.38 | dm8tbr | anyway, I have to go shopping now. I just wanted to point out that the whole system hinges on a flawed model of 'activity' |
| 06:49.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | dm8tbr: we have only limited channels to publish news to community, since we're not supposed to spam newsletter mails. So you have to resort to announcements on public ML and that troll ridden forum |
| 06:50.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | which, if you were actually that interested in the topic, and not just ranting, you already had done |
| 06:51.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, if you feel anything could get handled better, don't hesitate to holler and criticize |
| 06:52.19 | dm8tbr | that's what I did and essentially you told me that you don't care |
| 06:52.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | please volunteer to provide a better model of activity, much appreciated |
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| 06:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, basically *you* told you don't care |
| 06:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | while I tried to explain to you that we couldn't come up with anything better than what we got, so far |
| 06:54.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry when the word "karma" makes you stop reading |
| 06:54.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't do anything about that |
| 06:55.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I honestly wonder how you can say it's a "flawed model of 'activity'" while you obviously don't even have a clue how karma gets evaluated |
| 06:56.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | a lot of community members pondered for quite a long time how to create the best activity rating model they could come up with |
| 06:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you have suggestions how to improve, don't hesitate to speak up, we're listening |
| 06:58.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and those community members that drafted and finetuned karma evaluation, they mentioned from beginning that IRC would be nice to have but pretty hard to do in a reasonable way |
| 06:59.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all we don't want that those with the best IRC karma are trolls and bots |
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| 07:00.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | even infobot has a karma function, but for a reason it's deprecated and hardly ever used |
| 07:01.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the issues with infobot's karma known as karma wars |
| 07:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | since it's based on ratings by other users |
| 07:03.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and honestly, for anybody considering her/himself an active maemo community member it |
| 07:03.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | 's virtually impossible to NOT gain the pathetic 10 karma points needed for voting |
| 07:05.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think 10 posts on tmo or one post with 2 or 3 thanks, or 4 wiki edits, or two or thre package ratings as tester, or younameit, is already sufficient |
| 07:05.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma |
| 07:06.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | membership in garage projects!! |
| 07:07.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | posts to maemo ML |
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| 07:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually TWO wiki edits are already enough for 6*sqrt(2) > 10 |
| 07:09.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly!! please educate yourself before ranting |
| 07:09.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody requires you to get a tmo account |
| 07:10.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | and really sorry we couldn't come up with any sensible feasible IRC based karma |
| 07:10.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | send patches! |
| 07:15.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | and one last line on it: our current policy is: "if you want to vote and haven't received a ballot mail, please ask council at maemo.org, quoting your garage account. You'll receive a ballot if we can handle the workload and there are no idications you're troll or sock-puppet" |
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| 07:15.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | so instead of ranting, please tell council what you want them to do for you. We have enough rants on our inbound stack |
| 07:17.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | there been community mebers approaching us demanding for banners added to tmo and maemo.org. Visit those pages and see what they contributed and what council/techstuff did on their request. |
| 07:18.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you have any criticism, suggest how to improve it. rants don't help anybody |
| 07:19.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all this is a community of peers now, not a hierarchical system where you could bash 2the powers that be" |
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| 07:23.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, sorry, 6*sqrt(2) is not > 10, you'll need three wiki edits |
| 07:27.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | re missing IRC karma, believe me I'm one of those that regret that most, since I would benefit from it epically |
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| 07:41.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/midgard-data/snippets/sitegroup-config/net.nehmer.account/config.php?view=markup&root=maemo2midgard |
| 07:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | . |
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| 07:48.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, ballot mails are getting sent again this very moment. they have same token as it been in last mail vor referendum resp MCC/HFC election |
| 07:48.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | please everybody vote! |
| 07:50.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you haven't received a ballot mail but are interested to vote anyway, please check your mail addr setting in your garage account and then send a mail to council@maemo.org with your garage account ID and the mail addr set in garage that we will use to send your ballot |
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| 08:32.25 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer05: I once looked into carma and found out that it was heavily biased towards activity that is of no interest to me. Tell me why I should look at it again if it hasn't changed? |
| 08:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I miss your point |
| 08:33.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | what the heck do you expect council or techstaff to do? |
| 08:33.47 | dm8tbr | also is it still that estel leading that pack? |
| 08:34.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | which pack, which estel? |
| 08:34.53 | dm8tbr | last time I was on #maemo there was a very vocal and aggressive person by the nick Estel or somesuch who was elected to some leadership position. |
| 08:35.08 | dm8tbr | I left the channel after that as the atmosphere was outright hostile |
| 08:35.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | this person got a permanent ban on #maemo |
| 08:36.18 | dm8tbr | still they were in a leadership position, weren't they? |
| 08:36.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | and that person never got any leadership position despite he might have thought so. Plainly there *is* no such leadership in maemo |
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| 08:37.14 | dm8tbr | I see |
| 08:38.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | estel been member of maemo community council (the community's proxy and steward) until he got kicked out by the other members |
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| 08:41.12 | dm8tbr | so, now that we have this out of the way. this election thingy, is that for the community around the hardware Nxxx or around the original firmware those run or any firmware those run? |
| 08:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | it is for http://hildonfoundation.org/about/ |
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| 08:43.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | which is an entity to serve as cashier/treasurer for the maemo community, whatever that means |
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| 08:44.25 | dm8tbr | yeah, that doesn't quite answer my question though |
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| 08:44.45 | dm8tbr | from your point of view. what does the maemo community focus on? |
| 08:47.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | right now we have most of them focus on fremantle and harmattan, and recently sailfish attracted some interest |
| 08:47.59 | ZogG_laptop | sup |
| 08:48.09 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer05: morning, how are you today? |
| 08:48.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | not too bad, thanks |
| 08:48.37 | ZogG_laptop | not too bad is almost good :) |
| 08:53.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | dm8tbr: though I probably have same feelings like you towards tmo, it is still the place where you get a most first hand idea of what community is focusing on recently |
| 08:54.03 | dm8tbr | depending on definition of community, but certainly at least a substantial part of it, not going to disagree with that. |
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| 12:16.04 | Win7Mac | Hi! Gently bumping this topic again: |
| 12:16.06 | Win7Mac | Anybody knows something about tweaking flash version on N9?: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1353510 |
| 12:20.53 | dm8tbr | who would ever want flash on a mobile device? |
| 12:21.20 | Win7Mac | me! |
| 12:21.43 | dm8tbr | I think you're quite alone with that |
| 12:24.54 | Win7Mac | some sites require it, e.g. watch live streams |
| 12:25.59 | dm8tbr | video-foo should work also with that old flash |
| 12:26.12 | dm8tbr | also mobile flash is dead, also on android |
| 12:27.29 | Win7Mac | video-foo needs 10.2 at the very least, N9 only has 10.1 |
| 12:30.03 | dm8tbr | your problem would be to find a new enough flashplayer binary for X11 on ARMv7hl |
| 12:30.15 | dm8tbr | which simply might not exist |
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| 12:32.12 | Win7Mac | it might be enough to fake a newer version, it works on N900 with this hack: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1276589#post1276589 |
| 12:37.48 | dm8tbr | you need to search for the version string of the installed version |
| 12:37.54 | dm8tbr | what is ther version installed on the device? |
| 12:39.04 | Win7Mac | on N9: 4.0.0-73.1 |
| 12:41.01 | dm8tbr | I doubt that this is the flash version string returned |
| 12:41.49 | dm8tbr | try checking here with your N9: |
| 12:41.51 | dm8tbr | http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ |
| 12:41.59 | dm8tbr | that should show you the version |
| 12:43.02 | dm8tbr | http://adobe.ly/hOhhuZ works too as a short link |
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| 12:44.53 | Win7Mac | 10.1.105.6 |
| 12:48.39 | dm8tbr | then you should check the binary for occurences of 30312e or 313035 |
| 12:50.13 | Win7Mac | how do you make out this number? |
| 12:50.54 | dm8tbr | actually the first one is 31302e |
| 12:51.12 | dm8tbr | that's simply the hex representation of ASCII 10. and 105 |
| 12:51.28 | dm8tbr | you could as well use strings on the file |
| 12:52.03 | dm8tbr | strings /opt/adobe-flashplayer/libflashplayer.so|grep 10.1.105 |
| 12:52.11 | dm8tbr | should tell you if the string is in the binary |
| 12:56.07 | Win7Mac | many thanks dm8tbr, will check |
| 13:05.21 | Win7Mac | dm8tbr, I can't find 30312e or 313035 with the hexeditor, but I do find 10_1_105_6 once, quite at the beginning |
| 13:06.04 | dm8tbr | is it 10_1... or 10.1...? |
| 13:06.11 | Win7Mac | _ |
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| 13:06.54 | dm8tbr | try 31305f |
| 13:07.43 | Win7Mac | 31305f > not found |
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| 13:08.35 | dm8tbr | does your hex editor have a split view HEX and ASCII? |
| 13:10.45 | Win7Mac | I'm fiddling with WinHex, it has both |
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| 13:13.09 | dm8tbr | then just find the string you mentioned and change it to say the version you want, but make sure to only overwrite characters and not change the file length |
| 13:13.38 | Win7Mac | which string? |
| 13:14.11 | dm8tbr | 13:05:21< Win7Mac> dm8tbr, I can't find 30312e or 313035 with the hexeditor, but I do find 10_1_105_6 once, quite at the beginning |
| 13:14.55 | Win7Mac | Do you know a version number that is supposed to work? |
| 13:15.01 | dm8tbr | no |
| 13:20.50 | Win7Mac | meh... free version of WinHex won't let me save files > kB |
| 13:20.59 | Win7Mac | > 200 kB |
| 13:21.23 | Win7Mac | dm8tbr, would you be willing to test that? |
| 13:22.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | Win7Mac: sed -i 's/10_1_105_6/10_2_105_6/' /opt/adobe-flashplayer/libflashplayer.so |
| 13:22.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest making a backup of that libflashplayer.so before, and rather ask twice here about aegispaegis implications |
| 13:23.13 | Win7Mac | I'm afraid I break smth... |
| 13:23.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are you're in for a special reflash thanks aegis file protection |
| 13:23.46 | Win7Mac | could *you* test it? |
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| 13:24.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, I wouldn't even know the root password on harmattan anymore |
| 13:24.07 | Win7Mac | I just don't wanna risk a reflash |
| 13:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~may-i-edit |
| 13:24.30 | infobot | mayIedit () { grep "`basename $1`" /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist && echo "probably not" && return; echo "edit if you feel venturous"; } |
| 13:24.41 | Win7Mac | ^^ rootme if you haven't changed it |
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| 13:24.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | you bet I change my passowrds ;-) |
| 13:25.03 | Win7Mac | ;-) |
| 13:25.23 | Win7Mac | no, honestly could you check? |
| 13:25.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean... that would be a bit silly to keep the default one |
| 13:25.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I don't think I know how to do that |
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| 13:26.13 | Win7Mac | sed -i 's/10_1_105_6/10_2_105_6/' /opt/adobe-flashplayer/libflashplayer.so |
| 13:26.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm quite sure I would brick my device |
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| 13:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I never even touched inception, and I have PR1.0 still |
| 13:27.01 | Win7Mac | Because of aegis? |
| 13:27.19 | Win7Mac | PR1.0 on N9 ??!! |
| 13:27.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | and not planning to ever update |
| 13:27.32 | mschlens_ | :) |
| 13:27.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | on n950 |
| 13:27.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc what's on N9 |
| 13:28.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's probably not even booting enymore. Battery dead |
| 13:28.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | you should ask a harmattan hacker about that stuff |
| 13:29.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | binary editing of *.so is not trivial, particularly under aegis |
| 13:29.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | safe ticket for a MALF and reflash |
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| 13:29.50 | Win7Mac | thanks, I'll post on TMO for the more adventurous guys... ;-) |
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| 13:31.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | harmattan explicitly designed to stop everybody from doing what you plan to do |
| 13:32.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I'm not interested in it anymore |
| 13:32.47 | Win7Mac | yeah, that's really too bad |
| 13:34.06 | dm8tbr | geeeze dude |
| 13:34.11 | dm8tbr | way to be a pooper |
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| 14:23.51 | Jonni | DocScrutinizer05: well its pretty trivial, as long as you remember to resign refhashlist after the edit |
| 14:25.26 | Win7Mac | Hi Jonni! |
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| 14:26.03 | Win7Mac | guys, please contribute here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1353694#post1353694 |
| 14:26.34 | Jonni | in tmo forums there is even refhashlist.pl perl script that does the magic for you if your not that familiar with aegis magic |
| 14:27.43 | Win7Mac | I'm neither familiar with aegis nor refhashlist... |
| 14:27.54 | Jonni | basicly after edit, you just take sha1sum of the new library, update the checksum in refhashlist file and then resign the refhashlist to avoid malf |
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| 14:32.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, couldn't you rather re-sign a completely empty refhashlist then? |
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| 14:33.47 | Win7Mac | My IT knowledge is so rudimental, I deffo can't test it alone. But I'd love to see a guide here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1353510 |
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| 15:00.24 | Jonni | DocScrutinizer05: yes you can, but then binaries would have any capabilities to access to directories etc :) |
| 15:00.39 | Jonni | DocScrutinizer05: so empty refhashlist is no go :) |
| 15:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, right |
| 15:01.28 | Jonni | but yes, in openmode if you make patched kernel, then you can resign refhashlist to be empty |
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| 15:02.28 | Jonni | for me I just have a script, that checks if all sha1 checksums are correct, and if they are not, it just updates the checksum on refhashlist |
| 15:03.45 | Jonni | (and I've patches system binaries, in a way that even if it would trigger the malf screen, the boot just continues and malf screen is just informative and system still boots up :)) |
| 15:04.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's all fine but not everybody has a device with R&D cert like you do |
| 15:05.37 | Jonni | thats on device without R&D cert |
| 15:06.27 | Jonni | system binaries just think that it has :) |
| 15:09.26 | Pali | how is refhashlist protected against modifications? |
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| 15:10.22 | Pali | can you edit sha1 checksum and coresponding binary with inception? |
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| 15:14.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: refhashlist is signed |
| 15:14.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | just like the package list of a repo ;-) |
| 15:15.01 | Pali | so is signed by nokia key? and who checking for signature? |
| 15:15.09 | Pali | and where is stored public key? |
| 15:15.43 | Pali | what is root of trust for refhashlist? |
| 15:26.51 | Jonni | its just signed with tcb-sign cabability, and yes ariadne and opensh has that exploited capa. |
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| 15:29.53 | Jonni | repositories are signed with nokia ca, but refhashlist is signed with device specific key(s) (different key for secure side and different for openmode, pa(=~ arm trustzone kernel) generates it when mode is switched) |
| 15:31.41 | Jonni | pa side can only be access through libbb5 api's, so you really cannot access the key from kernel side. |
| 15:33.08 | Win7Mac | Jonni, can you test what you are suggesting and post results/step-by-step-guide here?: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90519 |
| 15:33.58 | Jonni | I dont see the point, flash is dead horse, and no use to beat it. Even if you fake your version number it doesnt mean that sites will work. |
| 15:34.45 | Win7Mac | I know, but it works for many sites on N900 |
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| 15:54.46 | thedead1440 | Win7Mac: what's the issue then? you just change the number in the .so, sign refhashlist (if not in open mode) and done :) |
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| 16:03.15 | Jonni | thedead1440: he just doesnt want to search tmo about howto sign refhashlist and wants ready copy paste answer on the thread :) |
| 16:03.27 | Win7Mac | I'm frightened of MALF, no clue what I'm actually doing there. Would love to find so who is more comfortable with this |
| 16:04.03 | Win7Mac | No, if it was that easy, why nobody already did it?! |
| 16:04.23 | thedead1440 | Win7Mac: because nobody was really interested in it |
| 16:04.27 | Jonni | nobody uses flash enables sites anymore |
| 16:04.32 | thedead1440 | i for one stopped using flash the next day after installation |
| 16:04.50 | Win7Mac | then you're out of some sites |
| 16:05.07 | Win7Mac | e.g. I canconcert-oh.com |
| 16:05.17 | Win7Mac | ^^ |
| 16:05.20 | thedead1440 | i access them via my laptop ;) |
| 16:05.29 | thedead1440 | the phone is too small for such things |
| 16:05.29 | Win7Mac | ^^ scrap that |
| 16:05.57 | thedead1440 | anyway i'll do it since i |
| 16:06.00 | thedead1440 | i'm in open mode |
| 16:06.06 | thedead1440 | i won't sign refhashlist though |
| 16:06.08 | Win7Mac | e.g. I cannot sign in on concert-oh.com with Flash 10.1 |
| 16:06.44 | Win7Mac | and that's what I'm supposed to use when I'm on the road... |
| 16:10.58 | Win7Mac | thedead1440, you'll try it? - Great! |
| 16:11.22 | Win7Mac | I'm AFK for a little while |
| 16:14.55 | thedead1440 | well it doesn't seem to work; maybe i did something wrong but now its time for bed; will try it tomorrow |
| 16:16.04 | Jonni | well you need to resign refhashlist even on openmode if you change libraries |
| 16:16.26 | Jonni | otherwise library doesnt get required capas and it doesnt work |
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| 16:21.26 | thedead1440 | hmm but that isn't required when replacing the grob binary so it applies only for libraries? |
| 16:23.44 | coderus | hey.wazapp nightly 23 released with fixed registration and connection issue. =) |
| 16:27.42 | thedead1440 | coderus: :) |
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| 16:39.52 | Win7Mac | Hi coderus :) |
| 16:39.59 | Win7Mac | you ever tried to do the above? |
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