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| 04:59.39 | thedead1440 | My N9's power button seems to have gone in too much resulting in auto-presses. I've disabled all powerkey behaviour in /etc/mce/mce.ini as well as increased the delays to x10 of previous values. I set the volumekeys to unlock. However, when in LPM, the power key still works to take you to the lockscreen and a number of times it then reboots the device. Anyway to totally disable the powerkey? I don't mind even if I can't turn it on w/o |
| 04:59.39 | thedead1440 | the power key. Need a temporary solution till I get time to take it for repairs next week. Thanks in advance! |
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| 11:38.58 | *** topic/#harmattan is A place for harmattan device and development discussions | Customers help customers on #N9 | Please stay on topic and no NDA stuff here | Developers : http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | ~aegis-no-thanks | LATEST ~update | http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/nokia-reportedly-scraps-meltemi/ |
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| 12:03.54 | ladoga | how can I set meego-terminal to disable text selection mode? I'd like it to default to scroll mode. |
| 12:06.07 | ladoga | I didn't find any obivious config file for it. |
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| 12:09.12 | ladoga | or is it only possible to change by editing the sources and recompiling or maybe someone has done it already? |
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| 13:06.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I'm afraid there's no simple or even feasible fix, since shutdown/reboot is hw |
| 13:07.53 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: :( Need to get it repaired urgently then as if it moves a bit too much it reboots :s |
| 13:08.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, sure. 8s hw shutdown |
| 13:08.41 | thedead1440 | sigh... contacted 14 different repair shops today and all haven't heard of the N9... |
| 13:08.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | if not 2s sw shutdown which could probably get "fixed" in sw |
| 13:08.57 | thedead1440 | yeah seems its that |
| 13:09.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | often the "probelm" is just dirt collected somewhere in button's mechanics |
| 13:09.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | not switch, button |
| 13:09.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | so, if you dare, you could disassemble and clean it |
| 13:10.05 | thedead1440 | oh but mine seems to be the outer switch to have gone in a bit too much |
| 13:10.17 | thedead1440 | its almost flush with the body instead of protruding |
| 13:10.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 13:11.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | then you might actually have smashed something inside |
| 13:11.37 | thedead1440 | :( |
| 13:11.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | an unfortunate property of those cheap designs is: the microswitch has to take all the force you apply to button |
| 13:12.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no other mechanical limit that the button stops at |
| 13:13.07 | thedead1440 | ah; would changing the whole body help in any way? One repair shop has asked me to bring it down tomorrow. Maybe i should order a body too so that a replacement can be done then |
| 13:13.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | and those disk spring switches are known to lose their "snap" characteristics and go "flat" on too much mechanical force applied |
| 13:14.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt the body is defect. You will probably need a new microswtich |
| 13:14.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | does the button come out again when you hold it downwards? |
| 13:14.50 | thedead1440 | nope it doesn't come out |
| 13:15.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | then it still could be dust/dirt |
| 13:15.22 | thedead1440 | hopefully |
| 13:15.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | that collected between case and button |
| 13:15.38 | thedead1440 | worst case scenario i'll ask them to swap my lumia's microswitch with the n9s |
| 13:16.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | they should have matchng microswitches |
| 13:16.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | as spare parts |
| 13:16.47 | thedead1440 | i hope that's the case. almost every single repair shop here is for iDont or S3/Note2. |
| 13:17.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | but honestly, particularly when not a warranty repair I'd suggest you disassemble it yourself and clean the button and apperture where button sits in. If you ever disassembled and re-assembled any tech stuff before |
| 13:17.42 | thedead1440 | nope hw is something i would end up breaking |
| 13:18.11 | thedead1440 | i just don't dare to do it myself :D |
| 13:18.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | then find a shop which is not instantly selling you expensive repair |
| 13:18.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | when simple cleaning will suffice |
| 13:18.44 | thedead1440 | will keep that in mind |
| 13:19.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | insist in them disassembling and showing you the problem |
| 13:19.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | check microswitch yourself if it's good |
| 13:19.46 | thedead1440 | will do that |
| 13:20.16 | thedead1440 | i'll take a picture and ping you to confirm too. anyway you are living in JRTZV so you would most probably be around :D |
| 13:20.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | also for a good measure get service manual for them ;-) |
| 13:21.34 | thedead1440 | which one would it be from: http://www.cpkb.org/wiki/Nokia_N9-00_service_manual |
| 13:22.59 | thedead1440 | or would this be sufficient: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4815558/Nokia_N9_RM-696_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1.0.pdf |
| 13:23.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.symbiantweet.com/nokia-n9-service-manual-level12-with-disassembling-instructions whatever |
| 13:23.18 | thedead1440 | ah same thanks |
| 13:26.33 | ladoga | heh gor exactly opposite reason I usually try to do repairs myself and well the cost too |
| 13:26.51 | ladoga | for* |
| 13:26.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | first seems to link to ilivit which seems rogue/infectious |
| 13:27.14 | thedead1440 | ladoga: that's unfair you are used to (dis)assembly :p |
| 13:28.36 | thedead1440 | DocScrutinizer05: it seems for the microswitch its level 3/4 of service manual not 1/2? |
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| 13:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite possible |
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| 17:05.23 | Jonni | juiceme: my 1st attempt of making dualboot ubiboot system ended up in a bit of failure by destroying CAL and device not booting up on anything :). Luckily serial cable stated whats the problem so I'm now back into cold flashing the device back to life and trying again. :) |
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| 17:13.28 | Jonni | actually its perm brick now, I just remembered that I didnt have cal backup made for that device, ohwell that teaches me to make backups when tweaking the devices :) |
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| 17:14.52 | Aard | Jonni: if you don't need the screen anymore.. :p |
| 17:15.40 | Jonni | Aard: heh, lets see, I'll still test all my tricks that I have in my sleeves for fixing the device :) |
| 17:16.08 | Aard | I'm sure you don't need a display for that ;) |
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| 18:06.32 | kralor | hey guys my phone entered an infinite loop, at some point it shows an alert msg stating "too many reboots, failure something" |
| 18:06.47 | valdur55 | Jonni: You flashed with flag: --flash-only=kernel , so you need use other kernel for bringing phone back to life. |
| 18:07.46 | kralor | it happened after I pushed the SIM tray (it was a bit off during a couple of hours) to its normal plugged position, it began to reboot |
| 18:09.49 | valdur55 | kralor: remove sim tray and reboot :) |
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| 18:25.29 | Jonni | valdur55: I wish it was that simple, I erased cal, which makes hwid to be 0000 and there is no way to alter that other than in the factory :), and bootloader refuses to boot if hwid is 0000 :) |
| 18:28.14 | Jonni | so even if I flash stock firmware it refuses to boot :) |
| 18:30.55 | kralor | valdur55: haha already tried :P |
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| 19:47.58 | juiceme | Jonni, ping |
| 19:48.12 | Jonni | juiceme: pong |
| 19:48.53 | juiceme | Too bad you permbricked your device... I don't understand how you did it, as I never try to mess with CAl |
| 19:49.40 | juiceme | Was it some special thng you tried to do, now I am afraid that may happen to other people who try ubiboot? |
| 19:52.51 | Jonni | juiceme: flash_erase /dev/mtd4 nuked the cal, but party my fault, as I forgot that I've already did ubiattach before that and forgot to reboot before doing flash_erase again. |
| 19:53.18 | Jonni | juiceme: it looks like that if you have attached and then try flash_erase, then on some cases it erases all the partitions including cal |
| 19:53.52 | Jonni | so it might be a bit dangerous to use mtd4 |
| 19:54.34 | Jonni | safer option would be to use mmcblk0p2 or mmcblk0p4 on some alternative dirpaths |
| 19:55.06 | juiceme | I will have to make an extra warning about that, then. |
| 19:56.00 | juiceme | yes, using some directory structure on mmcblk0 is also an option. I will have to think about that. |
| 19:57.26 | juiceme | The nice thing about having the boot on mtd4 is that then all mmcblk0 partitions can be exported via USB. I am not sure it works if I mount some of them as my root... |
| 20:00.10 | juiceme | The CAL is mtd1, label "config", isn't it? |
| 20:00.55 | Jonni | cal is mtd2 |
| 20:01.20 | juiceme | Is it possible to take backups of the mtd partitions just by usind dd, and is it also possible to restore? |
| 20:02.14 | juiceme | "cat /proc/mtd" says mtd2 is "kernel", I always thought that's the place flasher stores the boot kernel? |
| 20:02.20 | Pali | nanddump and nandwrite |
| 20:02.28 | Jonni | it depends, on secure mode yes, but when open mode triggers cal turns readonly normally |
| 20:03.08 | Jonni | ofcourse in this case cal was already readonly when I was playing with flash erase, so it somehow screwed the readonly protection too |
| 20:03.44 | Pali | so you erased cal from open mode? |
| 20:03.52 | juiceme | Yes, I am aware that it gets locked somehow. That's what worried me, I have been quite sure I cannot brick my device whatever I do with it... |
| 20:04.11 | Jonni | flash_erase is the most dangerous command on the N9, as it can perm brick your device on some cases, and in this case erase cal from open mode. |
| 20:04.52 | Pali | so then unlocking nand regions working from open mode too? |
| 20:04.53 | juiceme | Is the protection done in HW of the memory circuity, or is it somehow done on the drivers? |
| 20:05.42 | Pali | I heard that it is possible to lock nand memory for writing (and also possible to unlock) |
| 20:05.45 | Jonni | it done in bootloader by setting hw readonly bits |
| 20:07.20 | Pali | whats is flash_unlock doing? |
| 20:07.27 | Jonni | this is kind of my second device that I've nuked with flash_erase, but I managed to recover the 1st one as back in those days I had access to better tools |
| 20:08.23 | Jonni | there is no way to call unlock function elsewhere than from bootloader so thats not happening |
| 20:08.46 | Pali | fremantle flasher support changing HW revision |
| 20:08.46 | juiceme | My guess is, as the partition was mounted, flash_erase must have somehow ran across the partiton boundaries. |
| 20:08.51 | Pali | harmattan not? |
| 20:09.03 | Jonni | juiceme: yep, thats my guess too |
| 20:10.24 | Jonni | Pali: you can only change hw revision if you have R&D cert on device |
| 20:10.49 | juiceme | Jonni, if the bootloader can access the lock/unlock function, it should be possible to do that from any other software too, unless the boot loader runs on a separate physical core than the main system. |
| 20:11.22 | juiceme | If that's the case, there can be private bus to the memory manager HW |
| 20:11.32 | Jonni | juiceme: unlock function runs in secure PA-side, that kernel and userspace have no access to |
| 20:12.09 | juiceme | So it's a different core? (I am not that familiar with omap HW...) |
| 20:13.01 | SpeedEvil | the modem has its oown processor and 'is' |
| 20:13.02 | Jonni | its kind of trusted execute env, like android have trustzone |
| 20:13.07 | SpeedEvil | os |
| 20:13.23 | SpeedEvil | ignore me, I have not read back scroll |
| 20:13.42 | juiceme | ok |
| 20:16.08 | Jonni | ofcourse that kind of accidental partition boundaries bug could be exploited and in the end one could be lucky enough to replace bootloader with a better one, but I'm afraid that experimenting on that would cause a great number of bricks. |
| 20:18.52 | juiceme | true. I feel uncomfortable about experimenting on that kind of functionality, as chances to bet it working are slim. |
| 20:19.00 | Pali | Jonni, so you do not have R&D cert in device? |
| 20:19.36 | Jonni | Pali: nope. |
| 20:20.10 | Jonni | that device is now brick, atleast it teaches me to be more carefull with flash_erase command |
| 20:21.01 | Pali | so there is really no way to fix device with erased cal? |
| 20:21.05 | juiceme | You don't have access to jtag flasher? |
| 20:22.21 | Jonni | juiceme: dont have access to jtag flasher anymore. |
| 20:22.39 | Jonni | Pali: well fixable in factory with jtag flasher :) |
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| 20:24.21 | Jonni | most likley alternative dir structure to /home partition would be optimal, that way harmattan and nemo rootfs'es can still be mounted |
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| 20:32.06 | Pali | Jonni, in fremantle and also harmattan linux kernel I found code for device RX-71. Do you know what is/was it? |
| 20:34.36 | Pali | there are files board-rm680.c, board-rm696.c, board-rx51.c, board-rx71.c |
| 20:37.07 | Jonni | yes I do know what rx-71 was, but sorry cannot comment on that as it was never released to public. |
| 20:37.58 | juiceme | oo, top secret :) |
| 20:38.17 | Pali | from number I think that unreleased device after n900 |
| 20:39.13 | juiceme | If the device is listed in fremantle configs, it must be an older one. |
| 20:39.33 | Pali | in fremantle kernel there is incomplete code |
| 20:39.47 | Pali | and in harmattan kernel there is full code for video, camera, ... |
| 20:40.14 | Pali | in harmattan kernel there is code for tvout |
| 20:40.47 | juiceme | all the nice could-have-beens :( |
| 20:41.01 | Pali | it has some himalaya display panel |
| 20:43.50 | Pali | wow, device has right and left shitfs, left and right ctrl, left meta key |
| 20:44.17 | Pali | device with big keyboard |
| 20:44.45 | Pali | syntm12xx touchscreen |
| 20:47.37 | juiceme | Well that's the stuff people on TMO would give their other kidney for :) |
| 20:48.00 | juiceme | s/people/some known people/ |
| 20:48.31 | Pali | RX-71 has OMAP 3630 |
| 20:49.11 | Pali | it also has ssi, hsi and cmt_speech configuration, so it *is* phone |
| 20:49.48 | Pali | Jonni, nothing you can comment? |
| 20:50.36 | Pali | btw, in board-rx71.c header is: "Copyright (C) 2007, 2008 Nokia" |
| 20:50.46 | Jonni | development board for N950, but dont take my word for it. |
| 20:51.00 | Jonni | ;) |
| 20:51.16 | Pali | :-) |
| 20:51.20 | juiceme | :) |
| 20:51.43 | Pali | does SU, RX and RM means someting? |
| 20:51.58 | Pali | or only some random chars? |
| 20:58.23 | Pali | here are all known maemo/meego devices: https://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames#Hardware |
| 21:05.45 | Jonni | heh, I can see that its missing atleast one device :) |
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| 21:06.47 | tehdely | interesting that nolo has a shell. any idea how to access it? |
| 21:08.59 | Pali | tehdely, via serial console :-) |
| 21:10.57 | Pali | Jonni, some meltemi device? |
| 21:11.10 | tehdely | meltemi :( |
| 21:11.44 | tehdely | Pali: is there way to hack nolo? i could think of a feature or two that would be handy... |
| 21:12.34 | Pali | tehdely, on harmattan device without R&D certificate it is not possible to replace bootloader |
| 21:12.43 | Jonni | Pali: nope, more like in N900 timeline |
| 21:12.58 | Pali | tehdely, on fremantle, it is possible teoretically |
| 21:13.39 | tehdely | alas |
| 21:13.58 | tehdely | my desired feature is that it would boot in open mode without locking the CAL |
| 21:13.58 | Pali | Jonni, did you have (or touch) that devices? |
| 21:14.01 | tehdely | then i could eat my cake and have it too |
| 21:14.20 | tehdely | i understand it is nolo that sets the CAL read-only, cirrect? |
| 21:14.22 | tehdely | *correct |
| 21:14.55 | Jonni | tehdely: its bootloader that sets it readonly, and no shell avail in there |
| 21:15.23 | juiceme | Jonni, so bootloader starts before NOLO? |
| 21:15.41 | Pali | OMAP bootrom --> X-Loader --> NOLO --> kernel |
| 21:15.55 | tehdely | oic |
| 21:16.11 | juiceme | Pali, ok |
| 21:16.29 | tehdely | thanks for the info |
| 21:16.46 | Pali | X-Loader and NOLO are stored in one nand partition |
| 21:17.11 | juiceme | And NOLO is the part that interacts with flasher, for example, is ti? |
| 21:17.21 | juiceme | s/ti/it/ |
| 21:17.25 | Pali | omap bootrom load & run only signed code from nand partition |
| 21:17.32 | Pali | so X-Loader is signed |
| 21:17.52 | Pali | X-Loader disabling CAL (if open mode is activated) |
| 21:17.55 | Pali | and boot NOLO |
| 21:18.14 | Pali | NOLO then doing some parts of flashing and booting kernel |
| 21:19.08 | Pali | but harmattan flasher sending APE kernel image with attached initfs which has own softupd binary which implement server application for flashing |
| 21:19.24 | Pali | using Mk II protocol |
| 21:20.01 | Pali | on there is softupd application and is used only for flashing eMMC and is stored on rootfs |
| 21:20.17 | Pali | so without working fremantle rootfs it is not possible to flash eMMC |
| 21:22.21 | tehdely | quite an orchestration! |
| 21:23.18 | juiceme | Pali, there is something I was wondering the other day; When kernel is flashed, the flasher needs the firmware.bin file where it gets the "APE algorithm" as it says. Well the firmware file is fairly large, would the flasher work if only some part of the file was given to it, or does it need the whole packaged firmaware? |
| 21:24.14 | juiceme | Pali, So the "APE algorithm" is some linux kernel, is it? |
| 21:24.54 | Pali | in FIASCO harmattan firmware there APE image which is linux kernel with initfs |
| 21:25.13 | Pali | that contains softupd userspace binary which can flash some components via USB |
| 21:25.32 | Pali | Jonni, where is source code of APE kernel image? |
| 21:26.05 | Jonni | no idea, most likely never released |
| 21:26.15 | Pali | If I'm right that APE image is linux kernel, then it must be distributed under GPLv2 |
| 21:26.30 | Pali | (at least linux kernel) |
| 21:27.30 | Pali | Jonni, look at scrollback. Am I right about booting? |
| 21:27.33 | Jonni | you can always send email to sourcecode.request@nokia.com and ask the sources if you believe that is linux kernel. |
| 21:28.33 | Pali | I cannot |
| 21:28.49 | Pali | I'm blacklisted |
| 21:29.27 | juiceme | Pali, I have hard time beliving that ! |
| 21:29.53 | Pali | somebody who reading source code requests sent me some unreleased code for fremantle under LGPL |
| 21:30.57 | Pali | and after more months Nokia officialy released source code of that application |
| 21:31.01 | juiceme | so, that's okay if it is GPL'ed. Should not matter it was unreleased. |
| 21:31.17 | Pali | juiceme, not it was closed |
| 21:31.34 | Pali | it was control panel aplet for certificate manager in maemo5 |
| 21:31.42 | juiceme | ah, you mean they accientally sent you closed sources? |
| 21:32.03 | Pali | yes |
| 21:32.47 | juiceme | and now you are persona non grata there :) |
| 21:32.47 | Pali | because that code has LGPL COPYING file, also LGPL header in every source code and also LGPL in debian/control |
| 21:33.27 | Pali | because debian/copying is avalilable in binary DEB packages, I tried to sent email with request for source code |
| 21:35.02 | Pali | juiceme, look: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79957 |
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| 21:38.39 | juiceme | I could make the request for the APE kernel |
| 21:39.28 | Jonni | actually I think that ape kernel is the same 2.6.32-20121301+0m8 that is already released, it just packaged in custom way and accompanied with some scripts |
| 21:40.57 | Pali | juiceme, ok, try |
| 21:41.09 | Pali | and write here if you get responce |
| 21:41.41 | Pali | juiceme, refer to firmware fiasco bin where is that APE image glued |
| 21:45.35 | juiceme | for my version (nordic) it is on DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin |
| 21:46.55 | juiceme | actually I think localization applies only for emmc image, the firmware image could be same for all variants? |
| 21:54.04 | juiceme | ... time to go to bed, early morning tomorrow |
| 22:06.17 | Pali | Jonni, how is flashing CAL handled in harmattan? |
| 22:06.21 | Pali | and also backup? |
| 22:06.24 | Pali | via softupd? |
| 22:06.41 | Pali | or has for it NOLO some OPCODE? |
| 22:07.17 | Jonni | its only allowed if you have R&D cert by default, although there are ways around it- |
| 22:08.19 | Jonni | but yes in doftupd |
| 22:08.24 | Jonni | softupd |
| 22:09.25 | Pali | Jonni, I'm asking because I'd like to know if it is also possible on fremantle n90 |
| 22:09.27 | Pali | *n900 |
| 22:09.36 | Pali | where R&D cert is not used |
| 22:10.16 | Jonni | I dont remember the details but I believe that in fremantle you can freely copy and restore cal |
| 22:10.36 | Pali | it is possible from working maemo system |
| 22:10.55 | Pali | but is there way how to restore it if I damage maemo system? |
| 22:13.09 | Jonni | afaik in fremantle you can always load custom kernel and initfs and just dd cal back in place. |
| 22:19.48 | Pali | Jonni, will NOLO load kernel if CAL is damaged? |
| 22:20.10 | Jonni | Pali: nope |
| 22:21.07 | Pali | so then it is not possible to restore damaged CAL |
| 22:21.42 | Jonni | only thing that runs is the bb5signed ape-algo kernel, so you can only restore cal on harmattan if you have r&d cert |
| 22:23.22 | Jonni | well I havent tested external flasher boxes, so it might be that some JAF flasher or somethings would able to do some deeplevel hacks, but I doubt it |
| 22:24.39 | Pali | Jonni, I mean fremantle n900 |
| 22:25.14 | Jonni | ah on fremantle flasher -l -b -k mostlikely works |
| 22:25.24 | Jonni | and that way you can restore the cal |
| 22:25.51 | Pali | also when cal is damaged? will fremantle nolo boot kernel? |
| 22:26.22 | Jonni | I would assume that, but I havent played enough with N900 to be sure. |
| 22:27.19 | Pali | ok, I do not want to damage it, but I'd like be sure that I will be able to fix any SW error... |
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| 22:59.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer05, no sources here :P |
| 23:00.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | shrug |
| 23:00.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess there's a DVD image on my cloud-7 server |
| 23:01.56 | MohammadAG | bah, no git page? |
| 23:03.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | palyes it does |
| 23:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | pali: |
| 23:03.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | pali: we had that nandtester guy |
| 23:04.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | after reflashing he had a booting system |
| 23:04.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | coldflashing |
| 23:05.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suggested he restored his CAL to an image I provided, but I never again heard of him |
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