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| 02:15.38 | anabis | hallo |
| 02:16.12 | bluefox | evening |
| 02:20.28 | anabis | this place is very quiet |
| 02:20.42 | bluefox | it has its moments |
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| 05:31.37 | Aranel | looks like my devel-su root cannot write to /home/user, is it the same for everyone? |
| 05:31.57 | Aranel | and I wonder if there's any mirror to aegisctl. Looks like the mirror is also down. |
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| 05:47.50 | thedead1440 | Aranel: devel-su writes to /home/user/ only in open mode; otherwise user regular user privilleges to write to it |
| 05:49.21 | thedead1440 | Aranel: also rcolistete's mirror is still up: http://www.robertocolistete.net/MaemoMeeGo/EasyDebian/inception.zip |
| 05:49.39 | Aranel | thedead1440: oh okay, It was weird to see all kinds of errors when running a apt-get purge |
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| 07:21.50 | kstar | Heya folks |
| 07:21.57 | bluefox______ | morning |
| 07:22.06 | kstar | Is this a place to ask user questions about the N9? |
| 07:22.09 | bluefox | sure |
| 07:22.28 | kstar | Oh, okay. So I'm having trouble with CloudGPS not being able to connect to the right Google Maps server. |
| 07:22.39 | kstar | Anyone with similar experiences? |
| 07:23.05 | bluefox | that i unfortunately can't help with but hopefully someone else might |
| 07:23.20 | bluefox | though you might need to idle in channel a bit for all the EU guys to wake up and read through everything |
| 07:23.42 | kstar | Ah, yeah. The European activity burst. |
| 07:25.35 | kstar | Wow. OSM seems good enough, actually. |
| 07:26.34 | kstar | This phone is so awesome, I really wish there's more releases and development. |
| 07:27.22 | bluefox | did have a bit of an unfortunate end (at least officially) |
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| 08:09.40 | MoOo_ | hi all |
| 08:15.53 | MoOo_ | anybody home |
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| 08:25.01 | MoOo_ | hiii |
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| 11:38.54 | sledges | hello |
| 11:39.01 | sledges | I happens not the first time already: I get a missed call, then clear its notification, then later on I receive an SMS (e.g. this morning), and I get two notification instead of one: one of that text (correct), and another -- of that missed call of yesterday, though same timestamp as that SMS. The two events are unrelated and coming from different people. Call log does not show that missed call :{ I could not reproduce it though it happens once |
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| 12:39.54 | lpapp | RzR: http://paste.kde.org/~lpapp/627872/ |
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| 14:08.27 | lpapp | http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2012/12/19/qt-5-0/ |
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| 14:36.51 | merlin1991 | has anyone ever tried to build a recent qt 4.x and see if it has positive effects on the browser? |
| 14:37.54 | lpapp | merlin1991: qt4 is history. :-) |
| 14:38.12 | merlin1991 | but it still powers 90% of my harmattan userspace :D |
| 14:38.46 | lpapp | switch to more up to date system. :-D |
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| 14:39.18 | merlin1991 | hm, more up to date, well afaik jolla is qt4 aswell ;) |
| 14:39.28 | lpapp | yeah, Jolla is history too. :-D |
| 14:40.06 | merlin1991 | so where's my qt5 phone then? :) |
| 14:40.19 | Aard | merlin1991: we do work on our qt5 story, though. |
| 14:40.48 | sledges | Sailfish OS is mentioned in the official Qt5 video btw |
| 14:40.52 | lpapp | merlin1991: I kinda ported Qt5 to Harmattan. |
| 14:41.04 | lpapp | but there were no others helping me regardless they got phones for that. |
| 14:41.12 | lpapp | so I stopped that port at some point. |
| 14:41.28 | sledges | Qt5 works on NemoMobile nicely fwiw |
| 14:41.43 | lpapp | if only nemo mobile was useful for a daily phone. :-D |
| 14:41.52 | merlin1991 | yeah just wanted to say that |
| 14:42.15 | sledges | all in good times, it supports my SIM finally, so can receive phones and texts, the rest is time and Jolla's contribution together with community |
| 14:42.18 | Aard | sledges: there's more to qt5 usage on a phone than 'qt itself works nice', unfortunately :) |
| 14:42.21 | lpapp | merlin1991: perhaps the blackberry device will suit. |
| 14:42.51 | lpapp | Aard: hah, that is even more valid point. |
| 14:43.04 | sledges | Aard, I won't repeat myself ;) |
| 14:43.45 | sledges | but better stops trolling OT in #here :) |
| 14:44.10 | merlin1991 | sledges: it's just that, there's no point in going to nemo from harm :/ |
| 14:44.44 | sledges | currently no, as users. but as developers (and this is the developers channel) it is completely the opposite |
| 14:44.48 | merlin1991 | I'll happily jump ships when nemo reaches feature parity in my eyes |
| 14:45.46 | sledges | very fair point from user's perspective |
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| 14:47.02 | merlin1991 | not everyone enjoys the possibility of having a dev only device :D |
| 14:47.31 | sledges | or two :D |
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| 14:48.41 | merlin1991 | hm I gotta find a precompiled webkit browser for win to test if it still fails at displaying my routers login form :D |
| 14:48.58 | lpapp | sledges: I deny that it is a developer channel. |
| 14:49.11 | sledges | "A place for harmattan device and development discussions" |
| 14:49.11 | lpapp | we share a lot of experience about platforms from user point of view as well. |
| 14:49.13 | merlin1991 | lpapp: we do have #n9 as user channel |
| 14:49.16 | lpapp | and from developer point of view: |
| 14:49.24 | lpapp | who cares about something unused? :D |
| 14:49.32 | lpapp | just by a few devs. |
| 14:49.37 | lpapp | merlin1991: so? |
| 14:49.37 | sledges | but not undeveloped? |
| 14:49.47 | lpapp | merlin1991: it does not alter that we share user experience here a lot. |
| 14:49.48 | Aard | merlin1991: it never will. camera will stop working at some point, and integrated gps might never work |
| 14:49.53 | merlin1991 | lpapp: so this channel kinda is more on the dev side |
| 14:50.10 | lpapp | merlin1991: I do not see that a contradiction with my saying. |
| 14:50.17 | sledges | is on RE GPS |
| 14:50.42 | merlin1991 | hm no gps would suck for me, acutally no maps application with proper per country preloading would suck for me |
| 14:51.45 | sledges | xmas holiday fun foreseen :) |
| 14:52.38 | lpapp | merlin1991: so in summary: I will give a try to the blackberry phone. |
| 14:53.59 | Aard | merlin1991: bluetooth gps can made working, for the internal one we're missing binary blobs (same with camera) |
| 14:54.41 | lpapp | Aard: what qt5 story do you work on if I may ask? |
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| 14:56.10 | Aard | lpapp: better qt5 support than harmattan, at some point ;) |
| 14:56.22 | lpapp | Aard: which platform? |
| 14:56.28 | Aard | sailfish |
| 14:56.40 | lpapp | ah, the jolla stuff? |
| 14:56.44 | Aard | yes |
| 14:57.01 | lpapp | do not forget to give us developer devices. ;) |
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| 14:58.28 | lpapp | Aard: hopefully you will not be too late to blackberry. |
| 14:59.03 | lpapp | merlin1991: we could port Qt5 to Harmattan. |
| 14:59.11 | lpapp | or to be precise: continue the port with polishing it. |
| 14:59.11 | Aard | we're unlike bb10 ;) |
| 14:59.15 | lpapp | but there is no interest. :) |
| 14:59.28 | lpapp | Aard: pardon? |
| 14:59.41 | leinir | Aard: i totally see what you did there ;) |
| 14:59.44 | merlin1991 | lpapp: the problem with qt5 to harm is, we only enable new applications, it does nothing for the existing userspace |
| 15:00.05 | lpapp | merlin1991: well, they can change it to qt5 |
| 15:00.07 | lpapp | and qtqucik2 |
| 15:00.11 | lpapp | qtquick2* |
| 15:00.18 | lpapp | the idea is a one liner change for the imports. |
| 15:00.29 | lpapp | we cannot overcome that magically. |
| 15:00.45 | lpapp | speaking of qml applications for sure. |
| 15:00.57 | Aard | lpapp: google 'jolla unlike' |
| 15:01.02 | lpapp | ah yeah, and possible also in the middleware. |
| 15:01.35 | lpapp | Aard: actually, jolla.com is blocked here. :p |
| 15:02.45 | Aard | where is 'here'? |
| 15:02.51 | lpapp | my company. |
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| 15:12.19 | lpapp | Aard: http://lpapp.blogspot.ie/2012/09/reminder-from-randa-free-playbook-for.html |
| 15:13.13 | Aard | lpapp: I don't really count as kde contributor, I guess :) |
| 15:13.58 | lpapp | Aard: that is not the point I wish to present |
| 15:14.04 | lpapp | .see my reply about the Jolla stuff at the bottom. :) |
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| 15:23.59 | dt3rm | hello |
| 15:24.12 | dt3rm | just testing |
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| 15:28.13 | dt3rm | hi pinheiro i am very new to this.. are you getting my messagea |
| 15:30.07 | pinheiro | yeah |
| 15:31.59 | dt3rm | nice... thanks i just downloaded nokia n9 IRC chatter and i am checking it out |
| 15:32.03 | dt3rm | works very well |
| 15:34.55 | merlin1991 | hm irc 1988 interesing that people can still be new to it :D |
| 15:35.10 | merlin1991 | s/c 1/c is from 1/ |
| 15:35.55 | mgedmin | people are from $bignum BC, yet there are still new people born every day |
| 15:36.57 | merlin1991 | okay mgedmin let me rephrase this, irc is from 1988 and people can be new to it using it first time on a phone |
| 15:38.54 | dt3rm | nicely said.. but yeah i,m new to it and loving it |
| 15:41.58 | pa | did i dream, or there was some thread in TMO/Somewhere else with a short tutorial for transcoding videos to something N9 compatible? |
| 15:47.14 | merlin1991 | x264 and you're good? |
| 15:47.28 | ladoga | needs to be baseline profile |
| 15:47.53 | merlin1991 | just make it ubercrappy 2 pass xvid, that should run xD |
| 15:48.51 | ladoga | with ffmpeg -vprofile baseline works nicely |
| 15:49.35 | ladoga | i haven't yet used it much, only to make some time lapse videos from jpgs |
| 15:50.04 | ladoga | so no idea of all the flags needed for transcoding videos |
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| 16:00.13 | dt3rm | @tgalal great job on wazapp... keep up the good work |
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| 16:04.04 | pa | i always have problem resignign with wazapp when i switch sim |
| 16:04.17 | pa | but other than that, it's great |
| 16:13.38 | pa | where was the mplayer port for N9 hosted? |
| 16:15.06 | pa | ah found |
| 16:15.37 | pa | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=42 |
| 16:15.54 | pa | but it's kinda old. last package from march |
| 16:16.28 | thedead1440 | pa: its the one that is the good enough port |
| 16:16.56 | thedead1440 | there is a v2 of something like that on the web that may seem like an upgrade but in reality is worse from personal experience |
| 16:17.31 | pa | yes i know, but the latest svn packaging for harmattan is from march |
| 16:17.41 | pa | (on the garage page) |
| 16:18.07 | pa | sorry april |
| 16:18.11 | pa | 20120427 |
| 16:18.21 | pa | well, it's probably good enough yes |
| 16:18.22 | thedead1440 | yup nothing newer that that |
| 16:19.13 | pa | thedead1440, by the way, the only player with accelerated h264 decoder is gstreamer, right? |
| 16:19.50 | thedead1440 | pa: i think so; i always end up using kmplayer+gstreamer; mplayer has too much out-of-sync |
| 16:20.16 | pa | i see, thanks :) |
| 16:20.26 | thedead1440 | its also sad that ovp doesn't work properly now so there is no video player with ability to play in the background |
| 16:20.30 | thedead1440 | unless you downloaded via cuteTube |
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| 16:21.54 | ladoga | i have sync issues with some videos with mplayer..mostly flv |
| 16:22.00 | ladoga | but most run just fine |
| 16:22.46 | thedead1440 | i have issues with mp4 too encoded for 720p base for n9; however gstreamer works fine with those videos |
| 16:24.43 | ladoga | why encode 720p when 480 is max vertical res? |
| 16:25.57 | thedead1440 | well i don't find much sense in having 2 types of videos on my laptop and phone; might as well keep only a 720p bp encoded file |
| 16:26.06 | ladoga | ofcourse if they are downloaded...but most aren't baseline anyway |
| 16:26.15 | ladoga | makes sense |
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| 16:29.04 | ladoga | what are you using for encoding? |
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| 16:35.20 | thedead1440 | ladoga: sorry i use handbrake |
| 16:38.09 | thedead1440 | ladoga: also xmedia recode does a good enough job too |
| 16:38.53 | pa | i will try handbrake too now, on this machine ffmpeg is too old |
| 16:38.58 | pa | doesnt support vprofile baseline |
| 16:39.37 | thedead1440 | pa: if you want a "easy-GUI" imo xmedia recode would be > than handbrake |
| 16:40.06 | pa | thedead1440, yes i tried it before. but i never found a proper preset |
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| 16:40.22 | thedead1440 | there is a preset for 720bp i got from tmo |
| 16:40.24 | pa | i mean i tried to encode stuff into something compatible with N9, but i always had some troubles |
| 16:40.36 | pa | there's nothing like "baseline" or so |
| 16:41.04 | thedead1440 | pa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87523 |
| 16:41.13 | pa | thanks |
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| 16:46.13 | ladoga | i had some problems with ffmpeg too..need to recompile it to include faac encoding |
| 16:47.14 | ladoga | whatever...atleast i get newest mplayer svn for my laptop at the same go :) |
| 16:47.57 | ladoga | about handbrake...yes i had the same problem, couldn't figure out how to make baseline 3.1 |
| 16:48.33 | thedead1440 | use xmedia recode then; its easier just load that profile, add job and execute |
| 16:49.21 | ladoga | thanks i'll try that if ffmpeg fails |
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| 16:55.56 | pa | it's only for windows, unfortunately |
| 16:56.14 | thedead1440 | yes sadly |
| 16:56.40 | lpapp | thedead1440: does ffmpeg support the yuv decoding for lagarith algorithm? |
| 16:57.40 | thedead1440 | lpapp: I'm not sure but i don't think it supports it well iirc |
| 16:57.53 | lpapp | I have not checked in details too much. |
| 16:58.02 | lpapp | RGB was supported last time I checked, at least the decoding. |
| 16:58.21 | lpapp | thedead1440: http://ffmpeg.org/doxygen/trunk/lagarith_8c.html#afe9c84b2e17d425a42608f738f424252 |
| 16:59.11 | ladoga | oh ok, i have no windows boxes at home |
| 16:59.29 | thedead1440 | ah ok |
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| 17:11.42 | ladoga | pa which distro? |
| 17:11.52 | pa | natty |
| 17:12.19 | pa | i know i should update, but it always takes a week to reconfigure all the stuff, and so i never do |
| 17:12.34 | ladoga | yes i hated ubuntu upgrades |
| 17:12.42 | ladoga | always something breaking |
| 17:14.08 | ladoga | though in all fairness that was 4.10->5.04->5.10 then switched to debian |
| 17:14.17 | ladoga | so it might be much better now |
| 17:16.03 | pa | hm.. donno.. i did the other way around :) |
| 17:16.30 | pa | kept debian until 8.04, then i switched to ubuntu |
| 17:17.15 | ladoga | and dist-upgrades probably work fine if you use defaults and don't tweak the system too much (use other window managers and whatnot) |
| 17:19.47 | pa | i normally reinstall from the image. i also have a custom kernel so upgrading "ota" normally screws something |
| 17:19.58 | pa | i did a couple of times |
| 17:20.12 | pa | but cant on this machine |
| 17:21.11 | ladoga | yes i guess that's the way to go with ubuntu |
| 17:21.20 | ladoga | clean installs usually work nicely |
| 17:21.51 | ladoga | in debian i use testing so it's sort of rolling release |
| 17:22.01 | pa | yes testing is pretty stable |
| 17:22.06 | ladoga | never major dist upgrades |
| 17:22.09 | pa | the problem is that packages in testing are always pretty old |
| 17:22.52 | ladoga | i always fetch what i need newer from backports and unstable |
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| 17:23.20 | ladoga | they are mostly as new as it gets |
| 17:24.14 | ladoga | i used unstable for a short while...but it's not really fit for every day use. dependency problems etc. |
| 17:24.35 | ladoga | i think testing is sweet spot with debian. easy to maintain and option to get newest software if needed |
| 17:25.04 | lpapp | except when not. |
| 17:26.13 | ladoga | but ofcourse it depends on use case |
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| 17:28.09 | ladoga | lpapp: what do you mean? when something is not in backports or unstable? |
| 17:28.44 | lpapp | ladoga: they are way behind arch |
| 17:28.51 | lpapp | re: newest software |
| 17:30.12 | lpapp | just one example off-hand is cmake |
| 17:30.14 | lpapp | it is overly old. |
| 17:30.36 | lpapp | but I need to leave now. :-) |
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| 17:33.30 | ladoga | if overly old is 1 month from upstream, then yes |
| 17:34.46 | ladoga | cmake in unstable is v2.8.9 while newest is 2.8.10 released last month |
| 17:35.39 | ladoga | but whatever :) enough off-topic |
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| 17:38.13 | pa | anyway, now im trying handbrake Universal preset |
| 17:38.16 | pa | let see whether it works |
| 17:39.03 | ladoga | tell me if you figure out something |
| 17:41.38 | ladoga | pa: http://chriswwwright.wordpress.com/2012/06/04/how-to-play-hd-video-on-the-n9-part-2/ |
| 17:41.55 | ladoga | though it's not too detailed |
| 17:42.21 | ladoga | but atleast someones experiences of encoding with handbrake for n9 |
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| 17:43.21 | pa | i can tell you already that i tried with average bit rate and the result is horrendous, as compared with constant quantizer, for about the same filesize |
| 17:43.38 | pa | this a while ago |
| 17:44.10 | ladoga | thanks |
| 17:44.35 | ladoga | i'm already encoding with ffmpeg with -b 1024 :/ |
| 17:44.42 | ladoga | 1024k |
| 17:46.11 | pa | i also tried the twopass, it is still way worse than constant quality |
| 17:46.22 | ladoga | btw. have you tried -vpre baseline istead of -vprofile or -profile baseline? |
| 17:46.29 | ladoga | might work |
| 17:46.40 | pa | yes, but i couldnt use ffmpeg, its too old |
| 17:46.47 | pa | this im saying was with handbrake |
| 17:46.50 | ladoga | i think thats how it was in older ffmpegs |
| 17:47.01 | pa | ah no i didnt |
| 17:47.02 | pa | i could try |
| 17:47.06 | pa | let see |
| 17:47.12 | ladoga | yes, i understood. it just crossed my mind |
| 17:47.35 | pa | thanks, that seems to work :) |
| 17:47.43 | pa | now i have to figure out how to scale with the old version |
| 17:48.17 | pa | it seems -vf does not exist |
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| 17:48.57 | ladoga | -s ? |
| 17:49.10 | ladoga | -s 854x480 |
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| 17:59.24 | pa | ah thanks |
| 17:59.28 | pa | now i try |
| 17:59.37 | pa | ladoga, btw, it seems that Universal preset works fine |
| 17:59.51 | pa | now i try with a more complex video |
| 17:59.55 | pa | this is a cartoon :) |
| 17:59.57 | ladoga | thanks |
| 18:00.19 | ladoga | so universal and just switch resolution to 854x480? |
| 18:00.53 | ladoga | i tried 720p in handbrake with universal and its bit jumpy[C |
| 18:01.49 | ladoga | but ofcourse 480 works fine for me...i just encoded for my laptop and happened to copy it to n9 |
| 18:03.25 | pa | yes |
| 18:03.29 | pa | universal 480p |
| 18:04.24 | ladoga | thanks |
| 18:04.53 | ladoga | i'll try that after ffmpeg is finished (takes ages on this old laptop) |
| 18:06.31 | pa | btw cant i just call from console "video-suite http://blabla/video.mkv"? |
| 18:06.41 | pa | if i do that, i get a streaming error |
| 18:06.59 | pa | but if i click the file in the stock browser, it streams right |
| 18:08.16 | ladoga | maybe it uses some different arguments when started with .desktop file |
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| 18:10.42 | ladoga | defaults.list uses /usr/share/applications/videosuiteinterface.desktop |
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| 18:12.51 | pa | you think the stock browser uses the desktop file to launch video suite? |
| 18:13.14 | ladoga | yes |
| 18:13.58 | lpapp | ladoga: what project are you working on? |
| 18:14.07 | ladoga | i added desktop file for .torrent there (in defaults.list) and now stock browser launches it |
| 18:14.29 | ladoga | so i guess the same goes for stock apps |
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| 18:15.40 | ladoga | lpapp: none |
| 18:16.16 | junaida340 | jd |
| 18:16.19 | junaida340 | hi |
| 18:16.24 | junaida340 | how |
| 18:16.32 | junaida340 | how r u |
| 18:18.23 | pa | ladoga, ah thanks |
| 18:19.24 | ladoga | "application/x-bittorrent=lftp_torrent.desktop" |
| 18:20.49 | ladoga | and in .local/share/applications/lftp_torrent.desktop i have "Exec=meego-terminal -n -e /usr/bin/lftp -c torrent -O ~/MyDocs/Downloads/" |
| 18:22.03 | ladoga | so when i click torrent link on default browser lftp starts to download/seed the file |
| 18:22.12 | ladoga | lftp has inbuilt torrent client :) |
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| 18:26.03 | ladoga | so in defaults list you can change browser actions to what you wish |
| 18:27.01 | ladoga | though it affects file browsers too |
| 18:34.07 | ladoga | it's been overcast here (Helsinki) for so many days. I'd like to try how accurate then free look (magnetormeter/accelometer orientation) in stellarium-n9 is |
| 18:34.35 | SpeedEvil | sun |
| 18:34.51 | ladoga | very nice app, but still no annouce thread on TMO |
| 18:34.58 | SpeedEvil | if you can see that, that is |
| 18:35.22 | ladoga | there's only sun briefly above horizon at midday |
| 18:35.31 | ladoga | and position is not really visible |
| 18:35.38 | ladoga | it's been snowing many days now |
| 18:35.47 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:35.56 | SpeedEvil | brr |
| 18:36.11 | SpeedEvil | is at 56N. |
| 18:36.21 | SpeedEvil | that's far enough up for me. |
| 18:36.41 | ladoga | yeah. this darkness is very tiresome |
| 18:37.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly not a good day to troll me |
| 18:37.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops |
| 18:37.58 | ladoga | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.53 | lpapp | DocScrutinizer05: why not? :p |
| 18:40.38 | lpapp | ladoga: lots of brightness is very tiresome, too. |
| 18:40.41 | ladoga | there are some better days to troll Doc then there are some worse |
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| 18:48.47 | ladoga | SpeedEvil: scotland? |
| 18:55.14 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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