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| 15:14.29 | lpapp | Guest61899: not sure what was unclear. |
| 15:15.15 | lpapp | but perhaps if you get involved into business where you get money out of a technology which is not the bleeding edge stuff out of the microwave oven (that implies all its immature, too), it is clear. |
| 15:15.50 | lpapp | for exactly the same reason the projects have strict release policies and so forth where the line is drawn. |
| 15:16.08 | lpapp | I think it is pretty clear for everone who have been involved in product release cycles. |
| 15:16.17 | lpapp | has* |
| 15:16.27 | lpapp | life cycle, even. |
| 15:24.31 | lpapp | Guest61899: and actually the mobile sector is even flexible. There are way more conservative customers in the automotive and more serious and critical fields. |
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| 15:35.45 | khertan | Hello, did you know if there is a recent build of firefox for n9 ? last i found was 14.0 |
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| 15:44.22 | jonni | khertan: http://romaxa.bolshe.net/fennec/mozilla-central/fennec_17.0~a1_armel.deb |
| 15:46.51 | jonni | khertan: and if you want fast browser you want to look http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85191 |
| 15:47.59 | lpapp | jonni: is it better than snowshoe? |
| 15:49.17 | jonni | should be faster atleast, I dont know if its better, since thats matter of opinions :) |
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| 15:50.18 | lpapp | why should it be faster? |
| 15:50.55 | jonni | because it uses IPCLiteAPI |
| 15:54.06 | lpapp | does it support webgl? |
| 15:54.45 | jonni | atleast it says to in description, but I havent tested webgl part |
| 15:58.05 | khertan | jonni, thx |
| 16:00.48 | khertan | jonni, i was starting to compiling it following mozilla instruction ; |
| 16:00.51 | khertan | ;) |
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| 16:04.27 | pa | is it possible to somehow disable the "battery low" notifications && annoyment? |
| 16:05.16 | lpapp | jonni: so how is the new work? |
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| 16:09.42 | jonni | pa: if I remember right if you just kill hald-addon-bme process, it should do the trick, but my memory might be mistaken too :) |
| 16:09.56 | jonni | lpapp: so far i've been happy :) |
| 16:11.31 | pa | ah thanks :) |
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| 16:21.57 | pa | jonni, i think that's not enough :) |
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| 16:22.18 | khertan | jonni, the last fennec 17 is a nighty build which crash on my device ;( |
| 16:22.38 | pa | unless the "reminder" when the phone comes back from standby is not controlled by that process |
| 16:22.48 | jonni | well that same website has 15, 16 versions too |
| 16:23.20 | rigo | khertan, I use opera and mozilla on my N9. Clear pref for opera and the unite interface that keeps my bookmarks etc in sync |
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| 16:32.19 | pa | rigo, well the sync is there also for mozilla |
| 16:32.35 | pa | but i also like opera, despite its keyboard |
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| 16:59.37 | rigo | pa, is there a way to make opera the default browser, instead of the webkit thingy? |
| 17:00.23 | pa | yes |
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| 17:00.30 | pa | i think in options |
| 17:00.36 | pa | i mean settings |
| 17:00.40 | pa | (of the phone) |
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| 17:01.14 | pa | rigo, even tho the default thingy works fine with sencha, and neither opera nor firefox do |
| 17:01.47 | rigo | ok |
| 17:01.50 | rigo | thanks |
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| 17:09.32 | khertan | jonni, i think i ll more try to build 17 final release and not alpha1 |
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| 17:09.49 | khertan | and see why it s crash |
| 17:09.50 | khertan | :) |
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| 17:17.10 | lpapp | the keyboard can actually be disabled in opera. |
| 17:17.32 | lpapp | rigo: have you found it? go to settings->applications->web->default browser and set a difft browser |
| 17:18.36 | valdur55 | lpapp: how can i disable opera keyboard? |
| 17:19.00 | lpapp | by magic ;> |
| 17:19.36 | lpapp | set "use Operas keyboard" to Never |
| 17:19.43 | lpapp | and it will show maliit. |
| 17:20.37 | valdur55 | i don't see it in settings page |
| 17:21.12 | rigo | lpapp, yes, trying now. also anybody having issues with twitter app hanging for a long time? |
| 17:22.14 | valdur55 | lpapp: what version of opera mobile do you use? |
| 17:22.51 | lpapp | dunno by heart, and I do not have my mobile with me as of now. |
| 17:23.01 | lpapp | rigo: such things happen here and there unfortunately. |
| 17:23.19 | lpapp | the launch slowness is due to qml (qtquick to be precise) |
| 17:24.11 | valdur55 | 12.10.1 version doesn't have keyboard settings in advaced settings page |
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| 17:27.03 | pa | yep, neither here |
| 17:27.20 | pa | btw, lumia800 and n9, do they have the same battery? |
| 17:27.40 | ortylp | rigo: I confirm that twiter app hangs for many seconds quite often |
| 17:29.14 | lpapp | valdur55: works for me just fine |
| 17:29.18 | lpapp | I can check the version later. |
| 17:29.23 | lpapp | also, have you check the command line options? |
| 17:30.07 | lpapp | checked* |
| 17:30.30 | lpapp | -native-input or something like that |
| 17:30.48 | lpapp | should work with 11.5 at least. |
| 17:31.43 | lpapp | it has some limitations though. |
| 17:34.58 | rigo | lpapp, I do not have that setting, where is it supposed to be? |
| 17:35.26 | lpapp | rigo: which setting? |
| 17:35.46 | arcean | pa: yes, the same battery |
| 17:35.56 | arcean | BV-5JW |
| 17:36.08 | rigo | set "use Operas keyboard" to Never |
| 17:36.37 | lpapp | rigo: and have you read the other suggestion ? |
| 17:37.12 | rigo | -native-input you mean? |
| 17:37.18 | pa | arcean, did you already look up if there are stuff like mugen replacements with more mAh, that fit there? |
| 17:37.36 | lpapp | rigo: yes |
| 17:37.54 | arcean | no, all I know is you can insert BV-4D from 808 PureView to the N950 :) |
| 17:38.02 | rigo | but I don't start opera from terminal |
| 17:38.15 | pa | that is bigger? |
| 17:38.19 | pa | ah |
| 17:38.21 | pa | into n950 |
| 17:38.22 | pa | ok |
| 17:38.26 | lpapp | rigo: have you ever heard of desktop files ? |
| 17:40.05 | rigo | sure thing, KDE user since 1996 :) |
| 17:40.30 | lpapp | ok, so problem solved. |
| 17:40.44 | rigo | but N9 hasn't exactly the same file structure, so finding opera.desktop now ... |
| 17:40.57 | lpapp | heh, it is not a rocket science. |
| 17:41.01 | lpapp | it is quite standardized actually. |
| 17:45.02 | lpapp | KDE user since 1996? |
| 17:45.23 | lpapp | that is around the start I would say. :-) |
| 17:45.36 | lpapp | we celebrated the 15th anniversary last year, I think. |
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| 17:50.56 | rigo | Unknown/incorrect option "-native-input". |
| 17:51.29 | lpapp | have you checked the command line first as suggested? |
| 17:53.13 | rigo | i said: /opt/operamobile-labs/bin/operamobile-labs -native-input |
| 17:53.59 | rigo | I have version 12.10.1 |
| 17:54.41 | lpapp | well you should check what options it accepts in the first place. |
| 17:54.49 | valdur55 | Unknown/incorrect option "-native-input". |
| 17:54.49 | lpapp | I said "something like that". I was not sure about the syntax. |
| 17:54.54 | lpapp | might be --native-input, etc. |
| 17:55.13 | lpapp | also, you seem to have quite limited opera in comparison with the version I had. :D :D |
| 17:56.16 | valdur55 | same. and -h doesn't give native-unput |
| 17:56.21 | valdur55 | input* |
| 17:56.42 | lpapp | sounds like you have to revert if you wanna have cool features. |
| 17:58.20 | lpapp | these things were all working a while ago for many. |
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| 18:00.11 | lpapp | I believe m4rtink was also using these. |
| 18:00.20 | lpapp | and perhaps there are a few people in the log, too. |
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| 18:03.43 | valdur55 | :) it's ok for me... It's only browser where others doesn't need change keyboard layout |
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| 18:04.56 | lpapp | :] |
| 18:05.31 | rigo | yep, looks like 12.10 doesn't have that option anymore. Will ask the folks@opera |
| 18:06.36 | lpapp | rigo: have you tried the KDE Mobile apps for Harmattan? |
| 18:06.58 | rigo | yes |
| 18:07.03 | rigo | :( |
| 18:07.55 | lpapp | quite nice we have a few apps ported. |
| 18:08.43 | lpapp | time to port those onto blackberry. :-) |
| 18:12.08 | rigo | lpapp, I tried to use kdepim mobile on my N9 and it wrecked the ability of fenix to change to other mailboxes because of conflicting libraries |
| 18:12.36 | rigo | lpapp, the interface was not following any of the directives that the device maker was giving |
| 18:12.44 | lpapp | rigo: not sure about the pim stack, but have you tried the edu apps? |
| 18:12.57 | lpapp | kanagram, khangman, kalgebra, marble, blinken, etc. |
| 18:12.58 | rigo | no |
| 18:13.17 | lpapp | the first two were done by me. :p |
| 18:13.38 | lpapp | all of them are available in ovi, albeit blinken is not for free unfortunately. |
| 18:16.05 | rigo | ok, will try them. for kdepim, they were not in ovi-store, I used apt-get to install them |
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| 18:25.48 | arcean | rZr: https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/cameraplus/cameraplus-rzr |
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| 19:10.52 | rZr | arcean, great i will rebase today |
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| 20:17.51 | rZr | arcean, http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/armel/cameraplus_0.0.0-1_armel.deb |
| 20:19.34 | arcean | hmm, it misses a couple of my commits :) |
| 20:19.41 | rZr | yes |
| 20:19.45 | rZr | i am merging now |
| 20:20.32 | rZr | hehe we did the same fixes |
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| 20:21.52 | rZr | arcean, does it install qml files too ? |
| 20:22.16 | arcean | yes, it works on devices, tested on both N9 & N950 |
| 20:23.47 | rZr | cool |
| 20:23.54 | rZr | i am rebuilding again to check |
| 20:24.00 | arcean | there're also aegis manifest and simple .desktop file for the launcher |
| 20:24.28 | rZr | perfect |
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| 20:27.27 | rZr | arcean, anyway I really appreciate your contribution |
| 20:27.43 | rZr | felling the real +harmattan spirit :-) |
| 20:28.01 | arcean | heh, thanks :) |
| 20:28.47 | rZr | if it's ok i will upgrade version to 0.0.YYYYMMDD |
| 20:29.04 | rZr | and submit it all to upstream |
| 20:29.39 | arcean | that's a good idea |
| 20:29.56 | rZr | do you personally know him ? |
| 20:30.20 | arcean | no |
| 20:30.42 | arcean | I *think* he works at Jolla Mobile |
| 20:31.09 | arcean | he's also the author of the harmattan's camera-ui |
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| 20:35.25 | rZr | great this mean it could run on nemo too |
| 20:35.39 | rZr | humm i fear i broke something |
| 20:35.49 | rZr | qtcamconfig.cpp:27: fatal error: QtSystemInfo/QSystemDeviceInfo: No such file or directory |
| 20:36.04 | arcean | hmm |
| 20:36.43 | rZr | ok |
| 20:36.45 | rZr | libqtm-systeminfo-dev |
| 20:37.23 | arcean | hmm I know where we will have a new problem :D |
| 20:37.27 | arcean | https://gitorious.org/+harmattan/cameraplus/cameraplus-rzr/blobs/master/src/src.pro#line30 |
| 20:37.54 | arcean | files from the src subproject should be placed in /opt/cameraplus/bin/ |
| 20:38.24 | rZr | including the libs ? |
| 20:38.41 | rZr | then we'll have to overide some dh_ rules |
| 20:39.00 | arcean | no, libs are created in "imports" and "lib" |
| 20:39.52 | rZr | I let you fix it , i will rebuild it on obs if you need to |
| 20:40.15 | rZr | you're building it using qtc ? |
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| 20:40.25 | arcean | that would be a bit problematic, as I'm away from my pc :D |
| 20:40.27 | rZr | it should also build on sb ... |
| 20:40.50 | rZr | ok then I let it that way, maybe some simlink will workaround it |
| 20:40.51 | arcean | no i have built it on sb |
| 20:41.17 | arcean | no, just try to change the line 30 in src.pro |
| 20:41.18 | rZr | ok if you built it on sb then your changes are better than mine |
| 20:41.24 | rZr | ok tell me |
| 20:42.01 | rZr | installPrefix = /usr/ |
| 20:42.01 | rZr | target.path = $${installPrefix}/lib/ |
| 20:42.02 | rZr | to : |
| 20:42.05 | arcean | or even better: remove #30 and change #31 to target.path = /opt/$${TARGET}/bin |
| 20:42.30 | rZr | installPrefix = /opt/$${TARGET}/ |
| 20:42.30 | rZr | target.path = $${installPrefix}/bin/ |
| 20:42.35 | rZr | ok? |
| 20:42.51 | arcean | sure :) |
| 20:43.55 | rZr | bbl |
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| 21:04.24 | GeneralAntilles | Need a new battery for my N950 |
| 21:04.34 | GeneralAntilles | I actually bought one a few weeks ago but didn't put it in |
| 21:04.38 | GeneralAntilles | now I can't find it. |
| 21:04.59 | GeneralAntilles | Is there a best model battery to get? |
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| 21:10.26 | arcean | GeneralAntilles: BV-4D 1400mAh, used in Nokia 808 PureView :) |
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| 21:17.35 | rZr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1301726#post1301726 emacs ? |
| 21:19.05 | rZr | arcean, BatterY : BV-4D and its 1320mAh |
| 21:19.17 | rZr | arcean, lshal | grep reporting.design |
| 21:19.38 | arcean | rZr, are you sure? hmm |
| 21:20.00 | arcean | the label on the one from 808 says its 1400mAh |
| 21:20.08 | rZr | well i noted this somewhere |
| 21:20.16 | rZr | ok |
| 21:20.48 | arcean | hmm maybe there's a couple of BV-4D versions? |
| 21:22.04 | ZogG_laptop | hey |
| 21:22.07 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: sup |
| 21:22.25 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: :) |
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| 21:24.50 | rZr | hi ZogG_laptop |
| 21:25.20 | rZr | arcean, mine |
| 21:25.21 | rZr | lshal | grep reporting.design |
| 21:25.22 | rZr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:37.42 | arcean | rZr, yeah, so you have the BL-4D? |
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| 21:38.42 | rZr | i have the original one |
| 21:38.51 | rZr | i never opened it |
| 21:39.02 | rZr | i guess this is a BV-4D |
| 21:42.26 | arcean | quite possible, however some final (aka developer edition) devices have BL-4D |
| 21:42.28 | arcean | http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7202/6818211366_dd03b513ee_k.jpg |
| 21:42.47 | arcean | (it's not mine photo) |
| 21:47.32 | rZr | anyway i rebuilt it again |
| 21:47.38 | rZr | and it fails to found resources |
| 21:48.05 | rZr | file:///opt/cameraplus/qml/ImagePage.qml:139:25: QML Image: Faile |
| 21:48.06 | rZr | d to get image from provider: image://theme/icon-m-camera-whiteba |
| 21:48.06 | rZr | lance-auto-screen |
| 21:48.30 | arcean | if fails after launching the app? |
| 21:48.33 | rZr | Camera error (3): Could not initialize supporting library. gstglt |
| 21:48.33 | rZr | exturesink.c(1969): init_fbdev (): /GstCameraBin2:QtCameraCameraB |
| 21:48.33 | rZr | in/GstViewfinderBin:vf-bin/GstGLTextureSink:QtCamViewfinderRender |
| 21:48.33 | rZr | erMeeGoSink: |
| 21:48.33 | rZr | open(/dev/fb2) failed: Permission denied |
| 21:48.33 | arcean | *it |
| 21:48.39 | rZr | yes |
| 21:48.48 | rZr | i can list you contents |
| 21:48.53 | arcean | ahh, then you have to launch the app as developer or from the launcher |
| 21:49.14 | rZr | same crap |
| 21:49.30 | rZr | not as developer yes |
| 21:50.33 | rZr | same as developer |
| 21:50.48 | rZr | Camera error (13): Failed to configure driver module gstcamerasrc |
| 21:51.00 | arcean | oh boy, that's aegis :D |
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| 21:51.19 | rZr | as root it works |
| 21:51.32 | arcean | wow |
| 21:51.45 | arcean | and I'm not able to launch the app as root here :D |
| 21:51.55 | rZr | sudo :) |
| 21:51.59 | arcean | only as developer or from the launcher |
| 21:52.19 | rZr | i run openmode kernel |
| 21:52.36 | p2x_ | hey guys |
| 21:52.42 | rZr | well you can install it from repo |
| 21:53.10 | rZr | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/armel/ |
| 21:53.18 | rZr | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/armel/cameraplus_0.0.0-1_armel.deb |
| 21:53.46 | p2x_ | can i ask something ? |
| 21:53.57 | arcean | oh crap, there's no aegis manifest in the package |
| 21:54.38 | p2x_ | am i right that open mode is normal kernel withouz aegis? |
| 21:55.24 | rZr | ask djszapi_ about using aegis on obs , I fear this is not possible |
| 21:55.41 | pa | cameraplus.. sounds interesting.. what is it? |
| 21:55.54 | rZr | a better camera app |
| 21:56.02 | rZr | enhance the plus |
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| 21:56.34 | rZr | arcean, pushed , you can rebuild and test your side , i will rebuild on sb next week end |
| 21:56.48 | rZr | M4rtinK2, hi i got a hobby for you pal :) |
| 21:57.02 | rZr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1301726#post1301726 |
| 21:57.23 | arcean | rZr, ok, bbl |
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| 21:59.43 | M4rtinK2 | rZr: yeah, should work :) |
| 22:00.03 | rZr | one day one day |
| 22:00.22 | M4rtinK2 | rZr: IIRC, it should contain also the -dev packages so compiling stuff against it will probably also work |
| 22:01.05 | M4rtinK2 | rZr: and I also have working GTK packages for Nemo, so porting it to Nemo should also work :) |
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| 22:01.32 | rZr | good |
| 22:02.10 | rZr | it's funny how harmattandev community is going like waves |
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| 22:03.39 | M4rtinK2 | you mean periods of high activity interleaved with silence ? :) |
| 22:04.37 | rZr | yes |
| 22:07.05 | rZr | bbl |
| 22:10.32 | rZr | arcean, will update http://identi.ca/tag/cameraplus |
| 22:15.52 | piggz | rZr: is your camera app updated to work yet? |
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| 22:28.09 | rZr | piggz, well it needs to be incepted i guess |
| 22:28.13 | rZr | try it |
| 22:28.19 | evil_core | I should remove Aegis totally or only use open kernel? |
| 22:28.19 | rZr | i am gone now |
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| 23:36.00 | djszapi_ | M4rtinK2: sup ? |
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| 23:36.30 | M4rtinK2 | djszapi_: tugging along :) |
| 23:37.23 | M4rtinK2 | djszapi_: also hope to get the panned refactoring of modRana QML/QTC GUI finally done :) |
| 23:38.12 | djszapi_ | QTC ? |
| 23:41.47 | M4rtinK2 | Qt Components |
| 23:42.15 | M4rtinK2 | by that I basically mean the Harmattan Qt Components |
| 23:42.42 | M4rtinK2 | as I would probably have to support multiple native component sets |
| 23:43.00 | M4rtinK2 | and would also like to do a generic UI that only depends on QML |
| 23:43.27 | djszapi_ | do you have imperative python binding for that ? |
| 23:44.18 | M4rtinK2 | I plan to move all stuff that depends only on QML to a folder and reuse it in all component-specific implementations to get rid of code duplication as much as possible |
| 23:45.40 | M4rtinK2 | djszapi_: I think Python bindings are not really needed as I'm just working with the components from QML |
| 23:45.49 | M4rtinK2 | djszapi_: or did you mean something else ? |
| 23:46.25 | djszapi_ | what is the point of no python for that if the rest is python ? |
| 23:47.22 | djszapi_ | but you would need python bindings for QtDeclarative at the very least. |
| 23:48.00 | M4rtinK2 | djszapi_: I don't mean independent on Qt/QML |
| 23:48.16 | M4rtinK2 | djszapi_: I mean independent on Harmattan Qt Components |
| 23:49.16 | M4rtinK2 | they are available on Harmattan, Fremantle and Nemo |
| 23:50.12 | M4rtinK2 | but their availability is worse elsewhere |
| 23:50.38 | djszapi_ | perhaps one would need pyqml. |
| 23:52.43 | djszapi_ | and pyqtc :-) |
| 23:53.18 | M4rtinK2 | you mean some minimal Python-Qt bindings ? |
| 23:57.02 | evil_core | se noai |
| 23:57.03 | evil_core | a -- Android Compatibility Layer -- |
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| 23:57.10 | evil_core | sorry for that |
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