| 00:00.41 | djszapi_ | yes, that is where I realized it is not for free. |
| 00:00.52 | djszapi_ | I have just submitted a volunteering form. |
| 00:01.01 | djszapi_ | not sure how long stuff I should submit for the talk. |
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| 00:01.36 | djszapi_ | https://archive.fosdem.org/2012/schedule/event/deep_dive_into_kde_mobile_development.html -> is it something like that enough? |
| 00:02.00 | djszapi_ | http://akademy2012.kde.org/node/26 -> or like this? |
| 00:02.04 | Dante_J | djszapi ask purserj that question in twitter, or in #linux.conf.au here on Freenode |
| 00:02.17 | djszapi_ | do not use twitter :-) |
| 00:02.30 | djszapi_ | I think social media kills privacy. :) |
| 00:02.31 | Dante_J | then #linux.conf.au it is :) |
| 00:13.11 | beford | hey djszapi_, do you know if its possible to use onPressAndHold on an empty ListView? seems like I always need to have an item in the list |
| 00:20.02 | ieatlint | djszapi, that's a reason to use twitter to monitor others, but not say anything |
| 00:20.34 | ieatlint | it makes people forget your reading |
| 00:20.54 | ieatlint | ... i'll get back to you on why this is a good thing |
| 00:23.41 | djszapi_ | except that you get the spams ... |
| 00:26.02 | djszapi_ | and when it is not a spam, it can also be too much after quite a few mailing lists :) |
| 00:27.13 | ieatlint | i've got not spam |
| 00:27.29 | ieatlint | and i use google mail, so it covers 99% of spam issues for me |
| 00:29.31 | ieatlint | also, heat waves where my office gets up to 33c in october just suck |
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| 00:37.26 | djszapi_ | ieatlint: well to me facebook, twitter and so forth are not any different. |
| 00:37.57 | djszapi_ | time waste most of the time, and I would not like to lose my privacy either. |
| 00:38.06 | djszapi_ | Dante_J: talk proposal submitted. |
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| 00:38.28 | djszapi_ | beford: I presume you can do such an action with at least one item. |
| 00:38.35 | djszapi_ | otherwise it would be hard. :-) |
| 00:39.22 | beford | djszapi_: yea :/ I was trying to use the onpressandhold to show a menu and "filter" the list, sometimes it gets empty so the menu can't be shown again |
| 00:39.36 | beford | I guess i'll have to add another button to the Toolbar |
| 00:39.59 | djszapi_ | good night |
| 00:40.14 | beford | night |
| 00:41.14 | ieatlint | night |
| 00:42.59 | Dante_J | djszapi - I hope your talk is accepted! |
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| 06:47.15 | admiral0 | hi |
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| 06:52.18 | Sfiet_Konstantin | hi admiral0 |
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| 07:10.21 | rzr | djszapi, hi rebuilt is finished |
| 07:10.32 | rzr | djszapi, one free Nokia Windows Phone as soon as they become available |
| 07:10.36 | rzr | err |
| 07:10.45 | rzr | djszapi, did u get one ? |
| 07:10.53 | rzr | djszapi, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?arch_armv7el=1&defaults=0&failed=1&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repo_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan_Maemo_org_MeeGo_1_2_Harmattan_standard=1 |
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| 08:32.43 | anthony_dev | guys, how I can use multitouch? it seems that qml widgets doesnt work in multitouch mode. any suggestion? |
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| 08:43.57 | thedead1440_ | Hi all, |
| 08:43.59 | thedead1440_ | I've an issue with the Documents app on the n9! It opens PDF and Office 2003 formats fine but trying to open a Office 2007 format file makes the splash screen appear and dis-appear...I've reinstalled libkok, calligrameego, calligra-kchart and office-tools but to no avail. Anybody has any tips on what else can be re-installed to fix this issue? I've started a thread at TMO too at http://talk.maemo. |
| 08:44.00 | thedead1440_ | org/showthread.php?p=1275728 however no note-worthy response so far. |
| 08:44.02 | thedead1440_ | Thanks in advance for help! |
| 08:44.22 | vladest | onTextChanged in TextField component works only when press enter on harmattan. sucks |
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| 09:12.16 | Lava_Croft | Anyone here using latest version of Billboard in conjuction with Meecast? |
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| 10:39.55 | anthony_dev | I'll ask again: guys, how I can use multitouch? it seems that qml widgets doesnt work in multitouch mode. any suggestion? |
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| 14:16.07 | djszapi | rzr: updated qemu? |
| 14:24.00 | djszapi | rzr: I think we could establish a rapsberry group on gitorious |
| 14:28.11 | djszapi | rzr: created, wanna join for maintainance? |
| 14:28.48 | djszapi | rzr: https://gitorious.org/+qtonpi |
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| 15:45.58 | djszapi | jpnurmi: ping |
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| 16:32.13 | heymaster | any reason to buy used N9? |
| 16:33.07 | heymaster | or wait for 5th edition iPod touch ? :P |
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| 16:36.10 | jpnurmi | djszapi: pong |
| 16:37.07 | Tronic | heymaster: Should I buy a motor cycle or a van? |
| 16:37.24 | djszapi | jpnurmi: I would need a harmattan relevant change for review in the qt project |
| 16:37.37 | Tronic | Depends on what you need and quite possibly you need both or neither. They do not really perform the same function. |
| 16:38.17 | djszapi | jpnurmi: https://gist.github.com/3828153 -> is it something acceptable? |
| 16:38.37 | djszapi | jpnurmi: qt5-jsbackend does not currently build on the community obs and in sb2 as those environments do not have the _SBOX_DIR defined. |
| 16:38.48 | heymaster | Tronic: to try something to develop.. |
| 16:39.11 | jpnurmi | djszapi: looks like something for ossi ;) |
| 16:39.15 | Tronic | heymaster: Why would you develop for the N9? It's a dead platform. |
| 16:39.33 | djszapi | jpnurmi: he does not care about harmattan |
| 16:39.34 | Tronic | (well, okay, there are people who still develop software for the Commodore 64) |
| 16:39.37 | djszapi | in addition, he is on vacation now. |
| 16:39.53 | djszapi | and this is a build blocker type issue. |
| 16:40.07 | ladoga | platform isn't dead as long as someone is using it:) |
| 16:40.33 | djszapi | ladoga: +1 |
| 16:40.34 | Tronic | I don't consider it sensible to develop software for platforms for which you can no longer buy new devices. |
| 16:40.36 | njsf | And can even ressurect |
| 16:40.50 | djszapi | Tronic: except that some people have these devices. |
| 16:40.55 | Tronic | The ones in use will die. |
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| 16:41.23 | ladoga | Tronic: yes, each has his own reasons |
| 16:41.33 | Tronic | I have these devices and yes, I might even do some small fixes and I appreciate it when people still publish software for this but still I don't really see the sense in that. |
| 16:41.44 | djszapi | who cares? |
| 16:41.49 | djszapi | if you do not see? |
| 16:41.56 | djszapi | it is enough if they see, and it makes them happy. |
| 16:41.59 | djszapi | like me. |
| 16:42.38 | djszapi | fwiw, there are still Symbian and Fremantle contributors. I am actually happy they do something they enjoy. |
| 16:45.14 | heymaster | Can i run Linux apps on N9? |
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| 16:46.11 | heymaster | My friend showed NetBeans on N900 .. on N9 it's possible? |
| 16:46.24 | ladoga | heymaster: n9 is a linux computer, no? |
| 16:46.30 | djszapi | ladoga: no |
| 16:46.48 | djszapi | heymaster: you can port it if you wish, but why would you run that directly on n9? |
| 16:48.22 | heymaster | don't know but it's impressive to see NetBeans on phone.because platform has full Linux not like Android |
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| 16:49.05 | ladoga | djszapi: it has linux kernel and userland so why do you say no? |
| 16:49.18 | djszapi | heymaster: it is not "full linux" if you mean full as vanilla. |
| 16:49.33 | djszapi | ladoga: because it does not actually have linux, but a forked version? |
| 16:49.51 | djszapi | in addition, it is not like a linux computer, but actually quite the opposite in terms of security. |
| 16:50.42 | ladoga | ~ $ uname -a |
| 16:50.43 | ladoga | Linux rm696 2.6.32.54-dfl61-20121301 #1 PREEMPT Mon Apr 2 14:14:32 EEST 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 16:50.48 | ladoga | seem linux to me |
| 16:51.00 | djszapi | ok, you know better than we who worked on the kernel xD |
| 16:51.02 | ladoga | sure it's noy vanilla kernel |
| 16:51.15 | ladoga | not |
| 16:51.41 | ladoga | i guess we just differ on definition |
| 16:51.48 | djszapi | no |
| 16:51.58 | djszapi | it is not linux, it is harmattan. |
| 16:52.09 | heymaster | lol :) |
| 16:52.15 | djszapi | as android is not linux, but android. |
| 16:53.00 | ladoga | android runs it's its own vm, right? |
| 16:53.08 | ladoga | in it's |
| 16:53.26 | heymaster | maybe you talking about whole distribution, not kernel. so you i need to write gnu/linux :p |
| 16:53.32 | djszapi | try to report Harmattan kernel issues to the linux kernel mailing list |
| 16:53.44 | ladoga | ok ok |
| 16:53.48 | djszapi | but do not be surprise if you get quite off topic :D |
| 16:53.49 | ladoga | i give up |
| 16:53.58 | djszapi | surprised* |
| 16:54.02 | djszapi | and they will tell it to you. |
| 16:54.17 | ladoga | anyway i can use lots of software that i use on my desktop (debian) on my n9 too |
| 16:54.23 | djszapi | the harmattan kernel is not linux, not maintained by Linus by any possible means and so forth. |
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| 16:54.36 | heymaster | so they forked linux ... :) |
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| 16:54.49 | djszapi | yes, we did. |
| 16:54.51 | ladoga | i can take deb packages from debian, rebuild them in scratchbox and it works |
| 16:55.02 | njsf | Like Android and most other embedded vendors |
| 16:55.08 | djszapi | yes, and there are packages which do not work ... |
| 16:55.09 | djszapi | so what? |
| 16:55.28 | njsf | eventually they may sync up |
| 16:55.34 | djszapi | heymaster: anyways, I do not think there is too much interest in netbeans as the practice shows, but sure, do not get depressed, go ahead and port :D |
| 16:55.41 | njsf | but rarely the shipped bits are stock kernel |
| 16:55.56 | heymaster | djszapi: cool :) |
| 16:56.00 | djszapi | no, we have not sync'ed up. |
| 16:56.15 | djszapi | we may have backported 1-2 patches but a sync'up is a royal pita. |
| 16:57.50 | njsf | but it is FOSS civics 101 ;) |
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| 17:01.50 | ladoga | what would be disadvantage of using vanilla kernel in a smartphone? i mean wouldn't it be smarter to send patches upstream if needed |
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| 17:03.31 | djszapi | of course not. |
| 17:03.40 | djszapi | if you are a company, you do not have time to fight with upstream. |
| 17:03.45 | djszapi | when you have strict deadlines. |
| 17:05.12 | djszapi | you really do not ever wanna pay the penalties because few folks toughts it is not a cool idea in their projects. |
| 17:05.18 | djszapi | thought* |
| 17:05.18 | ladoga | I'm not a developer so I'm quite clueless about these things |
| 17:05.58 | ladoga | i would just want to have a computer that works as a smart phone :) |
| 17:06.15 | djszapi | so in short: you wanna dictate what your product is when the customer needs the features. |
| 17:06.25 | ladoga | i guess that would be possible if hardware was commodity..like in PCs |
| 17:06.29 | djszapi | and you do not wanna get dictated by upstream how your product should look like. |
| 17:06.48 | ladoga | and i could just install whatever OS I chose to the phone |
| 17:07.37 | djszapi | complain to your debian folks they did not make up a useful system for Harmattan yet. |
| 17:07.40 | djszapi | :-) |
| 17:07.45 | ladoga | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.54 | ladoga | I'm not complaining here |
| 17:08.30 | djszapi | useful system for N9/N950 yet* |
| 17:08.32 | ladoga | very happy with N9 actually |
| 17:08.38 | djszapi | since that it would not obviously be Haramttan. |
| 17:08.40 | djszapi | Harmattan* |
| 17:08.41 | ladoga | as it is |
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| 18:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | wazzup? |
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| 19:33.38 | djszapi | rzr: I have a patch for stuff |
| 19:33.48 | djszapi | just need to find someone in the Qt Project to approve it. |
| 19:33.58 | djszapi | ossi is still on vacation. |
| 19:44.15 | rashm2k | any idea how to setup n9 'kit' on qt creator 2.5 beta? |
| 19:47.04 | rzr | djszapi, great |
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