| 00:00.10 | djszapi_ | it is not just about not saying thank you which is a natural habit from people. |
| 00:00.19 | djszapi_ | it is also about denying I ever helped you as you claimed. |
| 00:00.41 | djszapi_ | beford: why would you become a Qt Ambassador btw? |
| 00:01.14 | ZogG_ | lol |
| 00:01.24 | ZogG_ | still don't see it :P |
| 00:02.08 | djszapi_ | ZogG_: btw, not just gtalk ignore, but here now as well |
| 00:02.13 | ZogG_ | you actually did help me but all the links you paste are not relevant |
| 00:02.22 | ZogG_ | ignore me everywhere |
| 00:02.29 | ZogG_ | on gtalk you added me :P |
| 00:03.02 | djszapi_ | beford: I think I finally fixed the orientation issue for the qtquick2 examples. |
| 00:03.52 | ZogG_ | ok |
| 00:04.17 | ZogG_ | thank to everyone who ever hightlighted me here or talked to me for you time, i need to go and i would say thanks in advance :P |
| 00:04.32 | djszapi_ | oh yeah, and ZogG_ of course also tried to explain to use what the topic is supposed to be in #qt-qnx :) |
| 00:04.38 | djszapi_ | to us* |
| 00:04.50 | djszapi_ | when we said it is off-topic, he said it is not. :) |
| 00:04.59 | djszapi_ | no matter he got help and went off-topic. |
| 00:05.00 | ZogG_ | lol |
| 00:05.35 | ZogG_ | yeah i did :P |
| 00:05.44 | ZogG_ | djszapi_, you talking offtopic now here. |
| 00:05.47 | ZogG_ | :P |
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| 00:11.26 | beford | djszapi_: do you want me to reinstall it? |
| 00:12.16 | djszapi_ | beford: not yet because I will still have a beefy fight with c-obs. :) |
| 00:12.35 | djszapi_ | I have just had few patches in qt5, and all of them got integrated. |
| 00:12.53 | djszapi_ | the problem was that the meego context plugin was not built. |
| 00:13.36 | djszapi_ | in qtbase, means unfortunately the qt5 stack has to be rebuilt on c-obs which is at least half a day job for the c-obs if everything goes right. :/ |
| 00:13.42 | djszapi_ | so perhaps in 12 hours or so. |
| 00:16.51 | djszapi_ | beford: the touch input issue weird, but cannot be reproduced in a helloqt5 application, so that is probably just an example bug. |
| 00:20.43 | beford | I see, all those warnings are probably related |
| 00:32.49 | djszapi_ | beford: oh btw, and there is no need for LD_LIBRARY_PATH, not QML_IMPORT_PATH. |
| 00:32.54 | djszapi_ | that is a great achievement in my opinion. |
| 00:33.04 | djszapi_ | so you can just run your binary without specifying /opt/qt5/ |
| 00:33.07 | djszapi_ | I think that is quite handy. |
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| 06:21.32 | beford | mm |
| 06:27.24 | vladest | shocked. raspberry pi delivery 14 weeks |
| 06:28.23 | djszapi_ | vladest1: you mean for ordering? |
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| 06:32.29 | vladest | djszapi_: yep |
| 06:34.47 | djszapi_ | vladest: that is not that bad |
| 06:34.53 | djszapi_ | 3.5 months |
| 06:35.00 | djszapi_ | my friend waited 5-6 :D |
| 06:35.18 | vladest | ordered 3 weeks ago. thought it was 13 days, but now rechecked and realized it 14 weeks! |
| 06:35.27 | beford | djszapi_: if an app crashes several times the phone will reboot? |
| 06:35.57 | djszapi_ | beford: why this question? |
| 06:36.10 | beford | well my phone just rebooted itself |
| 06:36.10 | beford | .P |
| 06:36.12 | beford | :P |
| 06:36.14 | djszapi_ | heh |
| 06:36.23 | djszapi_ | weird |
| 06:36.44 | djszapi_ | vladest: looks like you are playing with many platforms :D |
| 06:37.13 | beford | and my app is crashing so I thought it was related |
| 06:37.47 | vladest | djszapi_: yep. stuck with embedded. at work I'm working with Atheros SoC |
| 06:38.12 | djszapi_ | :) |
| 06:38.31 | djszapi_ | yeah, I am also an embedded guy |
| 06:38.34 | djszapi_ | + windows |
| 06:38.45 | djszapi_ | I leave linux desktop to others since there are many people for that in KDE. |
| 06:39.19 | vladest | my previous project was desktop win+macosx |
| 06:39.28 | vladest | dj software |
| 06:39.36 | vladest | qt+qml |
| 06:39.36 | djszapi_ | I have never played macosx sadly. |
| 06:40.03 | vladest | lucky you :) |
| 06:41.00 | djszapi_ | with* |
| 06:41.05 | djszapi_ | I would love to. |
| 06:42.06 | vladest | and before that it was Flex OS on Freescale coldfire |
| 06:42.40 | djszapi_ | I was thinking of porting qt to sysbios |
| 06:42.50 | djszapi_ | to this texas instrument os we use for texas instrument cores. |
| 06:43.07 | vladest | hmm. never heard |
| 06:43.20 | djszapi_ | but I did not get budget for that yet |
| 06:43.27 | djszapi_ | I am busy with other algorithms. |
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| 06:53.10 | djszapi_ | hates c-obs |
| 06:53.25 | djszapi_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=qt5-base&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard -> qt5-base~20120914... built few hours ago |
| 06:53.31 | djszapi_ | but did not get distributed at all |
| 06:53.47 | djszapi_ | still the qt5-base~beta1 is in the repository. |
| 06:53.51 | djszapi_ | very weird. :/ |
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| 09:03.07 | pa | is the bootloader of harmattan in some disk area that is not accessible via standard /dev/sdx? |
| 09:03.29 | Aard | yes |
| 09:03.54 | pa | ah okay, thanks :) |
| 09:04.13 | djszapi_ | pa: isn't that logical? |
| 09:04.41 | djszapi_ | you do not have to have a partitioned disk of course to be able to boot a partitioner... |
| 09:05.40 | pa | yep |
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| 09:08.00 | djszapi_ | vladest: it is a real time os for texas instrument socs |
| 09:08.04 | djszapi_ | davinci, etc. |
| 09:08.19 | djszapi_ | the only big problem with that, is it does not have gpu support. :/ |
| 09:14.01 | pa | so, another thing: i would like to import a plugin that is in /opt/somedir/someotherdir/ , which also contain a qmldir file. I tried to do it by first adding the path to the import path (QDeclarativeEngine::addImportPath()), and then by importing the plugin named in the qmldir file, in qml |
| 09:14.06 | pa | but it doesnt seem to work |
| 09:14.33 | djszapi_ | huh, that is a very dirty hack... |
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| 09:14.39 | djszapi_ | and apparently not working... |
| 09:14.57 | djszapi_ | there is QML_IMPORT_PATH for a reason, BUT |
| 09:15.18 | djszapi_ | 1) It depends on which Qt version you use |
| 09:15.30 | djszapi_ | 2) More importantly, you should just use rpath, and be done. |
| 09:21.53 | pa | what do you mean rpath? what is it? :) |
| 09:22.49 | djszapi_ | google |
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| 10:51.57 | ZogG_laptop | morning :P |
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| 11:00.03 | pa | 'morning |
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| 11:31.48 | djszapi_ | is updating portaudio |
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| 11:48.08 | djszapi_ | cannot remove file on c-obs now... sigh |
| 11:49.38 | djszapi_ | wonderful c-obs again blocks the packaging.. |
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| 12:01.30 | rashm2k | how I set a white busyindicator?? |
| 12:03.44 | djszapi_ | invert the theme... |
| 12:04.53 | rashm2k | how? |
| 12:05.26 | djszapi_ | read the documentation |
| 12:05.30 | djszapi_ | it is well written. |
| 12:05.44 | rashm2k | my backgrounds are already dark |
| 12:05.55 | rashm2k | so i dont need to invert theme |
| 12:06.06 | rashm2k | Can I do it without inverting? |
| 12:07.13 | djszapi_ | sorry, but you lost me |
| 12:09.08 | rashm2k | I want I white busy indicator without inverting theme |
| 12:10.42 | djszapi_ | good luck to that |
| 12:16.57 | djszapi_ | rashm2k: please let me know after 2 days you asked this tons of times, and ended up what I suggested |
| 12:17.11 | djszapi_ | enjoy the asking in the meantime what you could already nicely solve. :D |
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| 12:19.37 | rashm2k | i done it! |
| 12:19.51 | rashm2k | set busyindicator style |
| 12:20.00 | rashm2k | spinnerFrames to |
| 12:20.21 | djszapi_ | you should really read the documentation first, and then ask. :D |
| 12:20.27 | rashm2k | "image://theme/spinnerinverted" |
| 12:20.29 | djszapi_ | it is in there on a not too long page. |
| 12:20.54 | rashm2k | the docs were confusing |
| 12:21.00 | djszapi_ | huh? |
| 12:21.17 | rashm2k | I only figured this out by looking at the sourcecode for BudyIndicator |
| 12:21.25 | djszapi_ | by not teleporting the knowledge into your mind? |
| 12:21.57 | djszapi_ | spinnerFrames : string |
| 12:21.57 | djszapi_ | Property default value: "image://theme/spinner"+__invertedString |
| 12:21.57 | djszapi_ | Image name prefix. This will be used to show the busy indicator frames. For custom busy indicator image filename must be in next format: spinnerFrames + "_" + busy indicator width + "_" + index. |
| 12:22.18 | djszapi_ | right in the documentation... |
| 12:22.27 | djszapi_ | in a fairly short page... |
| 12:25.49 | djszapi_ | anybody having time to help with the portaudio update? |
| 12:32.20 | pa | ok, this is probably a stupid question because i didnt understand much how it works, but how can i create a qml-networkinfo item that as mode has "data over cellular network"? essentially i want to know if the cellular internet connection is on or off |
| 12:32.44 | pa | with WlanMode it works fine, for wlan |
| 12:36.02 | djszapi_ | pa: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/showdoc.php?pkn=libcellular-qt&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9saWJjZWxsdWxhci1xdA%3D%3D |
| 12:36.24 | djszapi_ | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/showdoc.php?pkn=libcellular-qt&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9saWJjZWxsdWxhci1xdA%3D%3D |
| 12:36.27 | djszapi_ | this would be my best bet. |
| 12:36.49 | pa | thanks! |
| 12:38.14 | djszapi_ | unsure if that works though, but I could not mention a better place for this than either dbus calls or libcellular-qt |
| 12:40.24 | rashm2k | Appreciate you bearing with me though - sometimes I do ask really easy questions |
| 12:41.44 | djszapi_ | rashm2k: feel free to send patches to me about documentation |
| 12:41.59 | djszapi_ | I do not know how to make it better, but if you have I will integrate if makes sense. |
| 12:42.37 | djszapi_ | any ideas* |
| 12:51.29 | pa | i think the best way to check if connectivity is on is after all ping |
| 12:52.24 | djszapi_ | I do not think so... |
| 12:52.32 | djszapi_ | cellular-qt exists for this very reason. |
| 12:52.45 | djszapi_ | if it is incomplete for whatever reason, the relevant class can still be subclassed. |
| 12:53.01 | djszapi_ | also, ping will really not help. |
| 12:53.10 | djszapi_ | since any other network can be under operation anyways. |
| 12:53.23 | pa | yes |
| 12:53.34 | pa | what i want is checking if there is connectivity or not |
| 12:53.55 | djszapi_ | why not use the API designed for this? |
| 12:54.03 | pa | is there one? |
| 12:54.09 | pa | i didnt know.. |
| 12:55.02 | djszapi_ | have you checked the link above? |
| 12:55.08 | pa | i yes |
| 12:55.18 | pa | thats for libcellular |
| 12:55.30 | djszapi_ | so all fine |
| 12:55.32 | pa | as you point out, there can be other connectivity types enabled |
| 12:55.35 | djszapi_ | you need to check cellular functionality. |
| 12:55.43 | djszapi_ | you were asking about cellular! |
| 12:55.58 | pa | pa> what i want is checking if there is connectivity or not |
| 12:56.18 | djszapi_ | 13:32 < pa> ok, this is probably a stupid question because i didnt understand much how it works, but how can i create a qml-networkinfo item that as mode has "data over cellular network"? essentially i want to know if the cellular internet connection is on or off |
| 12:56.34 | djszapi_ | you mean I wasted my time because you did not know what you wanted? :/ |
| 12:56.41 | pa | well okay, i was not specific enough :) |
| 12:56.52 | djszapi_ | well good luck |
| 12:56.57 | djszapi_ | perhaps you are not this time either |
| 12:57.16 | pa | i'll go with ping, i think |
| 12:57.37 | djszapi_ | please if you ask next time think more what you want. |
| 12:57.47 | djszapi_ | otherwise it is time waste for both of us. |
| 12:57.53 | djszapi_ | I can help if you know what you want. |
| 13:00.38 | pa | well i want to test if the phone has any kind of internet access |
| 13:00.55 | pa | (already enabled and turned on) |
| 13:01.12 | djszapi_ | yes, you wanna know this |
| 13:01.16 | djszapi_ | let us see in 10 minutes :D |
| 13:01.22 | pa | :) |
| 13:01.28 | djszapi_ | so good luck |
| 13:01.32 | djszapi_ | I will not investigate again. |
| 13:03.14 | pa | alirght |
| 13:08.27 | djszapi_ | pa: there is an internet connectivity library anyway |
| 13:08.33 | djszapi_ | should not be hard |
| 13:08.38 | djszapi_ | read the documentation. |
| 13:10.23 | pa | i found qnetworkconfigurationmanager, but i read it doesnt do what one think it does.. now i check other options |
| 13:11.14 | pa | in general it will be anyway a very suboptmal workaround to qml map element, that demand connectivity all the time |
| 13:11.26 | pa | (and which will nerver be fixed on harmattan) |
| 13:11.58 | djszapi_ | I do not understand the problem with the aforementioned class. |
| 13:12.05 | djszapi_ | it seems to do what it was supposed to do |
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| 13:12.13 | djszapi_ | it manages the network configuration |
| 13:12.46 | djszapi_ | unsure what you mean by "what one think it does". |
| 13:12.58 | djszapi_ | also unsure what you said afterwards. |
| 13:13.16 | pa | it has a method isOnline() that migbht return false, even if there is an active network connection, because it seems it checks if there is some ongoing connection between two hosts |
| 13:13.24 | djszapi_ | nor about workaround, nor about what will not be fixed. |
| 13:14.06 | djszapi_ | I do not understand the problem? |
| 13:14.12 | pa | at least this is what others reported |
| 13:14.13 | djszapi_ | "Returns true if the system is considered to be connected to another device via an active network interface; otherwise returns false. |
| 13:14.16 | djszapi_ | " |
| 13:14.27 | djszapi_ | to me that short description looks clear. |
| 13:14.29 | djszapi_ | what it does. |
| 13:14.38 | pa | i can try again |
| 13:14.39 | pa | let see |
| 13:17.12 | djszapi_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=portaudio19&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard -> anybody having any ideas for this? |
| 13:17.16 | djszapi_ | works fine locally. |
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| 13:21.34 | pa | e-yes, hello. how comes no updates on NITDroid N9 status page since Jul 04? :) |
| 13:28.04 | e-yes | pa, hi. I'm too lazy/busy to update |
| 13:29.22 | pa | ah okay :) |
| 13:42.14 | djszapi_ | anybody having a device at hand for testing? |
| 13:42.32 | valdur55 | yea. give a shoot' |
| 13:43.19 | djszapi_ | valdur55: do you have the community repository added according to the description? |
| 13:43.32 | djszapi_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan -> see description |
| 13:43.43 | djszapi_ | apt-get update && apt-get install qt5-base |
| 13:46.57 | valdur55 | ok . i update my package list now |
| 13:47.46 | valdur55 | Downloading |
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| 13:57.13 | valdur55 | Ok. Installed |
| 13:58.06 | djszapi_ | valdur55: can you check if the package installs this file for you? /opt/qt5/plugins/generic/libqmeegointegration.so |
| 13:58.59 | valdur55 | Yep. It is there |
| 13:59.39 | valdur55 | djszapi_, ^ |
| 14:00.00 | djszapi_ | nice :) |
| 14:00.04 | djszapi_ | thanks. |
| 14:01.10 | valdur55 | and that is all ? :D |
| 14:01.42 | djszapi_ | yep |
| 14:03.48 | valdur55 | ok. No problem :) |
| 14:04.08 | djszapi_ | I will ask another test for the qt5 example once c-obs builds the stack |
| 14:04.12 | djszapi_ | may be by tomorrow. |
| 14:05.03 | valdur55 | ok |
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| 16:22.42 | djszapi_ | valdur55: now you could install the qt5-components package, please? (after an update) |
| 16:23.25 | valdur55 | djszapi_, ok |
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| 16:25.18 | faenil | test |
| 16:25.25 | valdur55 | djszapi_, ok? http://pastebin.com/x0GDiCMm |
| 16:26.23 | valdur55 | anyway... downloading and installing :P |
| 16:28.33 | valdur55 | djszapi_, installed. Log: http://pastebin.com/UZmhx8za |
| 16:28.42 | djszapi_ | faenil: please spam a test channel XD |
| 16:29.05 | djszapi_ | valdur55: can you run the /opt/qt5/bin/QmlComponentGallery binary or how it is called? |
| 16:30.01 | djszapi_ | valdur55: yes, the log is fine. |
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| 16:30.07 | djszapi_ | did not know you are Finnish though. :-) |
| 16:30.22 | valdur55 | Yes. And output : qrc:/main.qml:42:1: plugin cannot be loaded for module "com.nokia.meego": Module namespace 'MeegoPlugin' does not match import URI 'com.nokia.meego' |
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| 16:31.14 | valdur55 | djszapi_, i live in Estonia |
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| 16:32.07 | djszapi_ | valdur55: ah yeah, those languages resemble... |
| 16:32.13 | djszapi_ | been there for aKademy by the way. |
| 16:32.21 | djszapi_ | in Tallinn. |
| 16:32.24 | valdur55 | i was volunteer :) |
| 16:32.33 | djszapi_ | great :) |
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| 16:33.28 | djszapi_ | valdur55: we had this talk over there: http://files.kde.org/akademy/2012/videos/Flexible_Education_with_KDE_-_Laszlo_Papp_and_Aleix_Pol_Gonzalez.m4v |
| 16:33.52 | djszapi_ | valdur55: so it would be nice if you could test the orientation change with the example. |
| 16:33.55 | djszapi_ | if it rotates automatically. |
| 16:34.29 | valdur55 | djszapi_, look my error. plugin cannot be loaded ... |
| 16:35.16 | djszapi_ | valdur55: that is expected. |
| 16:35.22 | djszapi_ | so you are getting a white screen now? |
| 16:35.27 | valdur55 | yes |
| 16:35.38 | djszapi_ | I would suggest run a sed |
| 16:35.39 | djszapi_ | on the binary |
| 16:35.48 | djszapi_ | s/com.nokia.meego/MeegoPlugin/ |
| 16:38.06 | djszapi_ | jpnurmi: ping |
| 16:40.58 | jpnurmi | djszapi_: pong |
| 16:41.08 | djszapi_ | jpnurmi: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-26551 |
| 16:41.37 | djszapi_ | I have ported the harmattan components to that idea with this patch: https://qt.gitorious.org/+harmattan/qt-components/harmattan-qt-components/commit/051ed640f80b9c5c739f60d3f1cbb5a5a37a459c |
| 16:41.44 | djszapi_ | but the problem is that I do not yet know which schema to use |
| 16:41.54 | djszapi_ | import FooBar or import foo.bar.plugin, etc |
| 16:42.02 | djszapi_ | I would need to stick with one of those. |
| 16:42.08 | djszapi_ | I personally prefer the FooBar schema. |
| 16:42.20 | djszapi_ | and that is also how I read the bugreport and gerrit change. |
| 16:42.32 | djszapi_ | However initially it was com.nokia.meego for the qmldirs. |
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| 16:45.39 | jpnurmi | i like the FooBar schema more as well |
| 16:50.39 | djszapi_ | fit better to import QtQuick and so forth as another advantage. |
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| 16:53.15 | djszapi_ | this is also what the desktop components project uses: module QtDesktop |
| 16:53.15 | jesuschrist_ | hey |
| 16:53.39 | djszapi_ | in the qt5 branch, so I think it is safe to stick with that schema. |
| 16:54.57 | djszapi_ | valdur55: I will fix it now then, and I will let you know when updated. |
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| 16:57.55 | beford | holap` |
| 16:57.59 | jpnurmi | djszapi_: yeah, and QtWebKit, QtSensors, QtSystemInfo... |
| 16:58.20 | djszapi_ | jpnurmi: sounds good |
| 16:58.43 | djszapi_ | jpnurmi: one metric to consider still is that if this should be MeegoPlugin or HarmattanPlugin |
| 16:58.52 | djszapi_ | or perhaps even QtMeego or QtHarmattan |
| 16:59.00 | djszapi_ | this is now only supposed for harmattan |
| 16:59.08 | djszapi_ | but perhaps we can just keep the meego term. |
| 16:59.19 | djszapi_ | since it was written for meego in qt4 |
| 16:59.21 | djszapi_ | before my fork |
| 16:59.22 | jpnurmi | or something like QtQuickComponents.xxx ? |
| 16:59.37 | jpnurmi | just throwing in ideas :) |
| 17:00.20 | djszapi_ | that is good :) |
| 17:00.39 | djszapi_ | the symbian components will not be ported to qtquick2 |
| 17:00.41 | djszapi_ | that is for sure |
| 17:00.47 | djszapi_ | since qt5 itself dropped the symbian support |
| 17:00.56 | djszapi_ | so it is mostly a matter for harmattan/meego and desktop |
| 17:01.01 | djszapi_ | as of now, at least. |
| 17:01.19 | djszapi_ | but I agree about that QtDesktop is a bit vague |
| 17:01.29 | djszapi_ | since it does not refer to that it is the qtquick components. |
| 17:01.40 | djszapi_ | it could be any other qt desktop scope :) |
| 17:03.38 | djszapi_ | I will go for something now, and it can be fine tuned later. |
| 17:03.48 | djszapi_ | it is mostly a find -exec sed command to replace everywhere for clients. |
| 17:04.53 | valdur55 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.00 | valdur55 | Gives seg fault... |
| 17:06.09 | djszapi_ | valdur55: then just relax, and I will assert. :D |
| 17:14.18 | valdur55 | :) |
| 17:44.14 | ZogG_laptop | beford, sup |
| 17:57.48 | beford | hi |
| 17:58.03 | ZogG_laptop | how ya doing? |
| 17:58.15 | ZogG_laptop | i finished school project |
| 17:58.18 | beford | good :D |
| 17:58.22 | beford | how did it go |
| 17:58.24 | ZogG_laptop | it's shitty code but sent it as it is :P |
| 17:58.31 | ZogG_laptop | it worked |
| 17:58.34 | ZogG_laptop | i hope it worked |
| 17:58.37 | beford | ZogG_laptop: oh you want to see the changes I did t othe ui? |
| 17:58.40 | beford | to the* |
| 17:58.47 | ZogG_laptop | wgy not |
| 17:59.41 | ZogG_laptop | btw did u fix active only bug? |
| 18:00.59 | beford | no but I think I know why it happens now |
| 18:01.37 | ZogG_laptop | i think i know that i don't know :P |
| 18:15.23 | ZogG_laptop | beford, new design is nice |
| 18:15.34 | beford | lol |
| 18:15.35 | beford | sorry |
| 18:15.36 | beford | xD |
| 18:15.38 | beford | I forgot |
| 18:16.01 | ZogG_laptop | (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ |
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| 18:16.33 | ZogG_laptop | tom__, hey tom |
| 18:16.37 | ZogG_laptop | sup |
| 18:27.08 | djszapi_ | valdur55: can you reinstall now? |
| 18:27.10 | djszapi_ | apt-get update |
| 18:27.16 | djszapi_ | apt-get install --reinstall qt5-components |
| 18:27.20 | djszapi_ | --reinstall is important. |
| 18:29.13 | valdur55 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.08 | djszapi_ | I have not updated the packaging number iirc |
| 18:31.13 | djszapi_ | this time |
| 18:31.16 | djszapi_ | so without that, update will not be detected |
| 18:32.36 | valdur55 | yea. then it gives : .. package is already up to date |
| 18:33.11 | djszapi_ | yeah, so either remove and install |
| 18:33.15 | djszapi_ | or --reinstall if allowd. |
| 18:33.17 | djszapi_ | allowed* |
| 18:33.25 | djszapi_ | --reinstall was not allowed for me in case qt5-base apparently. |
| 18:34.26 | valdur55 | http://pastebin.com/5tAcVhA8 . I see menu and i can't rotate it |
| 18:38.03 | djszapi_ | ok great |
| 18:38.08 | djszapi_ | can you start the application with this: |
| 18:38.11 | djszapi_ | -plugin meego |
| 18:39.20 | valdur55 | http://pastebin.com/dfSNNjgL |
| 18:39.51 | valdur55 | yep. No rotation. |
| 18:40.10 | djszapi_ | alright, thanks. |
| 18:40.21 | djszapi_ | at least it seems to be only that type of issue. |
| 18:40.44 | djszapi_ | valdur55: what if you specify QML_IMPORT_PATH |
| 18:40.47 | djszapi_ | and LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 18:41.15 | valdur55 | djszapi_, how ? |
| 18:41.49 | djszapi_ | QML_IMPORT_PATH=/opt/qt5/imports LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/qt5/lib /opt/qt5/bin/QmlComponentGallery |
| 18:42.50 | valdur55 | same |
| 18:42.56 | djszapi_ | ok, that sucks. XD |
| 18:43.07 | valdur55 | This app should be fullscreen ? |
| 18:43.21 | valdur55 | I can't fully see menu icon |
| 18:43.39 | valdur55 | Toolbar buttons. |
| 18:44.32 | djszapi_ | because the toolicons do not work |
| 18:44.37 | djszapi_ | see your error output |
| 18:47.17 | valdur55 | yep... it doesn't know screen resolution and shows toolbar buttons closely to screen edge |
| 18:47.41 | djszapi_ | well I have done enough commits in this project for today |
| 18:47.43 | djszapi_ | I will move on. |
| 18:47.47 | djszapi_ | thank you for testing. |
| 18:48.22 | valdur55 | thank you for asking |
| 18:48.50 | djszapi_ | it is going to be interesting when it is all working. |
| 18:48.59 | djszapi_ | people can port their applications to QtQuick2. |
| 18:49.23 | djszapi_ | pretty much with almost no effort |
| 18:52.51 | valdur55 | :) |
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| 19:12.41 | djszapi_ | valdur55: so did you like the KDE summit? |
| 19:13.10 | valdur55 | i don't remember ... |
| 19:23.41 | valdur55 | djszapi_, do you mean those two days ? |
| 19:24.04 | djszapi_ | a week |
| 19:24.05 | djszapi_ | aKademy |
| 19:24.34 | valdur55 | oke. It was my first time. |
| 19:24.53 | djszapi_ | :) |
| 19:25.17 | djszapi_ | valdur55: btw, you can try my kde application ports in Ovi store if you wish: kanagram and khangman |
| 19:26.07 | valdur55 | And it was nice :) . |
| 19:27.14 | djszapi_ | valdur55: http://community.kde.org/KDE_Mobile/Harmattan#Ported_Applications |
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| 19:31.13 | valdur55 | Oh :) Localised app :D |
| 19:31.51 | djszapi_ | kanagram? |
| 19:31.56 | valdur55 | Yep. |
| 19:32.12 | djszapi_ | yep |
| 19:32.17 | djszapi_ | I can localize khangman |
| 19:32.24 | djszapi_ | but the problem is the alphabet with that |
| 19:32.29 | djszapi_ | I would need to re-design that |
| 19:32.40 | djszapi_ | and for certain languages it would not work with that space I design with. |
| 19:32.44 | djszapi_ | kanagram is simpler |
| 19:32.54 | djszapi_ | it is using the KDE localization system |
| 19:33.03 | djszapi_ | so if you have compatriots translating KDE into estonian. |
| 19:33.08 | djszapi_ | it could be shown in there. |
| 19:35.17 | valdur55 | :) |
| 19:36.33 | valdur55 | khangman have bug. Tip notification is lower than timer |
| 19:37.01 | djszapi_ | btw 29/59 reviews |
| 19:37.02 | djszapi_ | or so |
| 19:37.11 | djszapi_ | feel free to leave a bad or good review :) |
| 19:37.14 | djszapi_ | to round the number up |
| 19:37.56 | djszapi_ | oh, someone left a review |
| 19:37.58 | djszapi_ | with one star :D |
| 19:38.23 | djszapi_ | the person left "Deconcentration and irritates" in Spanish |
| 19:38.26 | djszapi_ | interesting feedback |
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| 19:45.42 | valdur55 | :D |
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| 20:16.19 | rzr | hi |
| 20:16.44 | rzr | have tested kernel+ |
| 20:18.47 | jonni | if I would have extra time in my hands, I would also be playing with custom kernel builds, but unfortunately my free time has been quite liimited lately. |
| 20:20.23 | rzr | i can understand |
| 20:21.10 | djszapi_ | jonni: why would you do that? |
| 20:21.20 | jonni | I did do a quick diff against kernel+ vs my custom 2.6.32.59 version and they seemed almost the same, kernel+ sources just nukes the debian directory |
| 20:22.23 | rzr | tmo suggested to also support nitdroid |
| 20:22.30 | jonni | I have this backburner project to make a kernel which has the injection drivers + pnp wifi for nexus7 |
| 20:22.40 | rzr | this is already the case isnt it ? |
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| 20:23.37 | jonni | actually I have one custom kernel built in my sb, but I havent had time to test it yet. |
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| 20:24.14 | djszapi_ | jonni: why are you still so attached to Harmattan? |
| 20:24.26 | djszapi_ | I mean isn't it easier to do that type of experiment for nemo or so? |
| 20:24.43 | jonni | djszapi_: well nemo is not suitable for daily use |
| 20:25.26 | djszapi_ | fair enough |
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| 20:25.46 | djszapi_ | but if everybody thinks so, it is never gonna be :D |
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| 20:25.51 | djszapi_ | Venemo: sup |
| 20:25.58 | Venemo | hey djszapi_ |
| 20:26.18 | Venemo | djszapi_, I'm fine, thanks for asking! :) you? |
| 20:26.27 | djszapi_ | Venemo: alright |
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| 20:26.34 | djszapi_ | qtquick2 is coming to harmattan |
| 20:26.38 | djszapi_ | in small steps |
| 20:26.42 | djszapi_ | a bunch of issues resolved. |
| 20:26.49 | jonni | well anyways Monday is my last day working with Nokia, still have to write somekind of goodbye email to ex-collegues. |
| 20:26.51 | rzr | u're on this arent u ? |
| 20:27.12 | rzr | jonni: are there any left? |
| 20:27.16 | djszapi_ | rzr: yes, I worked 10-12 hours today on this. |
| 20:27.43 | Venemo | djszapi_, awesome news!!!! :) :) :) |
| 20:27.54 | jonni | rzr: heh after monday, there still are windows phone people still left :) |
| 20:28.12 | Venemo | jonni, thanks for all the great work you've done :) |
| 20:28.33 | rzr | thx for staying that long too |
| 20:28.58 | djszapi_ | jonni: what would you like to achieve with your custom kernel? |
| 20:29.17 | jonni | and anyways I plan to idle here even after my Nokia career. |
| 20:29.31 | rzr | built in modu |
| 20:29.32 | piggz | could it be that basic QML apps cant be debugged/profiled? Does it have to be based on QMLApplicationViewer? |
| 20:29.33 | rzr | . |
| 20:29.58 | jonni | djszapi_: wifi injection drivers, pnp wifi + hostapd&nat. |
| 20:30.27 | jonni | those are the only things that I'm currently missing vs stock kernel. |
| 20:30.31 | Venemo | jonni, any plans on what's next? :) |
| 20:30.44 | Venemo | jonni, jolla perhaps? |
| 20:32.07 | djszapi_ | jonni: cannot you do that with inception? |
| 20:32.25 | djszapi_ | btw, jolla does not pay that bad. |
| 20:32.35 | djszapi_ | regarding the current situation. |
| 20:32.43 | jonni | Venemo: well on Tuesday I'm starting my new job. But I decided to test my wings in non-phone releated ict company. |
| 20:33.19 | jonni | djszapi_: nope, inception does not help, since nat requires changes in kernel that cannot be solved with module loading. |
| 20:33.41 | djszapi_ | jonni: I see. |
| 20:33.52 | rzr | btw any news of mr itsnotabigtruck |
| 20:34.07 | Venemo | jonni, I wish you luck :) |
| 20:34.19 | rzr | does the man ever existed ? |
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| 20:35.40 | jonni | Venemo: thanks |
| 20:36.17 | djszapi_ | jonni: yeah, good luck we had lots of fun in Harmattan I believe despite it did not succeed! |
| 20:36.47 | djszapi_ | I am still having with Qt5. :-) |
| 20:36.47 | jesuschrist_ | good luck jonni |
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| 20:37.13 | rzr | economic failure but technical success |
| 20:37.25 | jonni | well it 'succeed' on small scale, since we still are in this channel, but its a shame that it didnt make a breakthrough success. |
| 20:37.28 | Venemo | djszapi_, depends on your point of view. in my opinion, considering the circumstances, harmattan succeeded quire well. |
| 20:37.54 | jesuschrist_ | what about jolla |
| 20:37.59 | jesuschrist_ | any news? |
| 20:38.13 | Venemo | jesuschrist_, there was a hackday at Devaamo |
| 20:38.14 | rzr | they recruited some pple |
| 20:38.25 | rzr | and mer is still active |
| 20:38.28 | Venemo | it was awesome, shame I couldn't attend |
| 20:38.50 | Venemo | thanks to them, the Mer guys are now paid to work on Mer. :) |
| 20:39.01 | rzr | i guess its evolving as expected |
| 20:39.12 | rzr | slowly but surely |
| 20:40.05 | rzr | no major news on tizen or bb10 ... |
| 20:40.32 | jonni | heh, my latest project is to attach sdcard to my old Amiga :) http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/index.html#SDCARDFloppyemulator |
| 20:40.37 | Venemo | blackberry is evangelizing devs very agreesively, so I guess we'll see something from them |
| 20:41.04 | rzr | jonni: great |
| 20:41.11 | rzr | http://www.pcworld.fr/images/galerie,idf-2012-tizen-os-technical-overview,313,1248883.htm |
| 20:41.39 | rzr | jonni: have u tested aros release ? |
| 20:41.57 | djszapi_ | Venemo: actually they are helping devs |
| 20:42.07 | djszapi_ | they are not agressive :) |
| 20:42.12 | djszapi_ | they are rather progressive |
| 20:42.25 | djszapi_ | which is cool |
| 20:42.26 | Venemo | you could say that, yes |
| 20:42.34 | djszapi_ | they even offered their office for a KDE Blackberry sprint |
| 20:43.05 | piggz | hmmm: QDeclarativeDebugServer: Ignoring "-qmljsdebugger=port:3768,block". Debugging has not been enabled. |
| 20:44.13 | rzr | djszapi_: like active on playbook? |
| 20:46.37 | ZogG_laptop | rzr, Venemo sup |
| 20:47.00 | jonni | piggz: you need to make clean rebuild after enabling the debugging |
| 20:47.05 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, I'm having a relaxing day |
| 20:47.15 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, :P |
| 20:47.24 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo, finished my project, so me too :P |
| 20:47.25 | piggz | jonni: ok, i'll try... |
| 20:47.32 | ZogG_laptop | jonni, sup pal |
| 20:47.37 | djszapi_ | jpnurmi: http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/5.0/qtqml-modules-qmldir.html |
| 20:47.45 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: hi |
| 20:47.52 | ZogG_laptop | jonni, long time no see |
| 20:47.58 | djszapi_ | jpnurmi: The <ModuleIdentifier> is the (dotted URI notation) identifier for the module, which must match the module's install path. |
| 20:48.01 | ZogG_laptop | jonni, how are you |
| 20:48.09 | ZogG_laptop | jonni, finished at nokia? |
| 20:48.20 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: I'm fine, last day will be on monday. |
| 20:48.30 | djszapi_ | rzr: active is a different category... |
| 20:48.42 | rzr | no nokia is finished without jonni |
| 20:48.55 | ZogG_laptop | jonni, still can't tell about new job? |
| 20:48.55 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, :) |
| 20:49.13 | ZogG_laptop | jonni, btw didn't see backupmanager in competition, did i miss it? :P |
| 20:51.20 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: I didnt submit it, as that competition was really non-organized without a decent submit pages, so figured that maybe I'll just release it later when I have tweaked it a little more |
| 20:52.18 | ZogG_laptop | jonni, waiting for it :P |
| 20:53.09 | djszapi_ | jonni: will Qt be relevant to your daily professional work? |
| 20:54.50 | pa | rzr, you there? |
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| 20:55.28 | pa | may i ask you something? in your repos there's a package "rawcam". what is it? |
| 20:55.41 | ZogG_laptop | khertan, sup man |
| 20:55.52 | khertan | ZogG_laptop, sup |
| 20:55.58 | ZogG_laptop | pa, it was old version of rawcam |
| 20:56.07 | ZogG_laptop | i think djszapi_ upgraded it, but ask him |
| 20:56.51 | pa | then it's strange that software updates wants to use that version over the 0.0.8 released for the mcc |
| 20:57.05 | pa | maybe repo should be fixed? |
| 20:57.27 | djszapi_ | maybe you should fix what you are saying? |
| 20:57.27 | djszapi_ | because it is still unclear? |
| 20:58.01 | djszapi_ | like said yesterday, the same can be said again: there is no "software update" UI for the community repository |
| 20:58.16 | pa | djszapi_, so, apt-get upgrade wants to upgrade the rawcam-0.0.8 i got from tmo, that was the latest |
| 20:58.17 | djszapi_ | and apt-get install will not know a third party forum attachment |
| 20:58.20 | pa | clearer? :) |
| 20:58.21 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: I'm thinking of makeing somekind of bigger release at some point, like releasing all my different kind of tweak codes, like my custom warrantly.rle maker. |
| 20:58.23 | djszapi_ | so it is unclear what you mean in the first place. |
| 20:58.43 | djszapi_ | pa: you should learn how apt-get works |
| 20:58.49 | djszapi_ | nothing wrong with the repository. |
| 20:59.04 | djszapi_ | I mean nothing to fix. |
| 20:59.20 | djszapi_ | the package could be updated, but someone needs to volunteer |
| 20:59.29 | djszapi_ | so it is not broken, but maximum outdated. |
| 20:59.59 | ZogG_laptop | jonni, what about keys? :P |
| 21:00.01 | djszapi_ | also, elementary mathematical question: |
| 21:00.07 | ZogG_laptop | jonni, do you have tweeter or blog? |
| 21:00.11 | djszapi_ | do you think 0.0.8 is higher than 0.0.20120724 ? |
| 21:00.26 | pa | it is outdated but it is 0.0.20120724-0~rzr1 |
| 21:00.31 | djszapi_ | do you think 0.0.8 is higher than 0.0.20120724 ? |
| 21:00.53 | pa | well the question is: who packaged it that way? |
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| 21:01.04 | pa | coz apt think so |
| 21:01.13 | djszapi_ | pa you know this is an open repository :) |
| 21:01.22 | djszapi_ | it is not like the c-obs setup which is blackbox |
| 21:01.35 | djszapi_ | you can check out :) |
| 21:01.38 | pa | probably i should put rawcam on hold, then it will stop bugging me |
| 21:01.44 | pa | i just wanted to report |
| 21:02.39 | djszapi_ | well, for me rawcam is a no priority |
| 21:02.45 | djszapi_ | so feel free to volunteer |
| 21:02.54 | djszapi_ | me and rzr cannot do everything unfortunately. |
| 21:02.58 | djszapi_ | we would need more contributors. |
| 21:03.04 | djszapi_ | to sustain this more healthily. |
| 21:03.26 | rzr | just push packages to shared repo |
| 21:03.43 | djszapi_ | but unfortunately most of the volunteers were scared off by c-obs |
| 21:04.08 | djszapi_ | pa check if you can ignore stuff |
| 21:04.13 | djszapi_ | it is possible to arch with the config. |
| 21:04.42 | djszapi_ | otherwise it should be X.Y.Z~20120915 for instance like the qt5 packages were this morning |
| 21:05.03 | djszapi_ | on arch* |
| 21:05.46 | pa | ah right |
| 21:05.50 | pa | that was probably the issue |
| 21:06.06 | djszapi_ | nope |
| 21:06.24 | djszapi_ | the main problem is that it is not updated :D |
| 21:06.28 | djszapi_ | nobody is doing the work |
| 21:07.46 | djszapi_ | if it is important for you perhaps you can package this one? |
| 21:08.01 | djszapi_ | if not, I would just suggest to remove it or so |
| 21:08.23 | ZogG_laptop | pa, i think there is dev's repo |
| 21:08.36 | ZogG_laptop | try to ping him to push it to rzr's repo |
| 21:08.46 | ZogG_laptop | or download source and do it yourself :P |
| 21:08.56 | pa | i tried to post on his announcement thread |
| 21:09.00 | pa | let see what he answers |
| 21:09.05 | ZogG_laptop | the dev is mostly on nemomobile chan |
| 21:09.08 | djszapi_ | well it should be a few minutes job :D |
| 21:09.16 | djszapi_ | less job than communicating this altogether :d |
| 21:09.21 | pa | i think it would be best if dev would mantain his pkg on the repo (or put on the store) |
| 21:09.27 | ZogG_laptop | i have it built in my repo but i have older version |
| 21:09.35 | ZogG_laptop | excat as rzrs one but working :P |
| 21:09.41 | djszapi_ | pa: you cannot expect that from each developer |
| 21:09.44 | djszapi_ | that is unreal. |
| 21:09.45 | ZogG_laptop | as there were aegis things missing there i think |
| 21:09.53 | djszapi_ | that is why packagers exist in the first place :D |
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| 21:12.53 | ZogG_laptop | it's not logical, as they are all developed for same OS/platform |
| 21:13.00 | ZogG_laptop | they should be maintained by devs |
| 21:13.21 | ZogG_laptop | ports and other out of harmattan stuff should be packages and maintained by maintainers |
| 21:13.54 | ZogG_laptop | but again then they need to keep them uptodate |
| 21:14.09 | djszapi_ | pa: do you really think that developers maintain the packages on any linux distributions? :D |
| 21:14.15 | djszapi_ | except few if ever, never. |
| 21:14.34 | pa | no, i know |
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| 21:14.56 | djszapi_ | you will have spend more time with encouraging and convincing them than just doing yourself. |
| 21:14.59 | pa | but in this case, since we already have to generate a deb.. |
| 21:15.02 | djszapi_ | *spent |
| 21:15.32 | djszapi_ | except that c-obs is not the same as a full-fledged environment |
| 21:15.39 | djszapi_ | c-obs needs some expertise. |
| 21:15.53 | djszapi_ | and they will be scared off in the first stage already |
| 21:15.56 | djszapi_ | at the first issue |
| 21:16.04 | djszapi_ | not to mention most of them get the packages out of the ide |
| 21:16.05 | djszapi_ | and done |
| 21:16.18 | djszapi_ | that is unacceptable for any community repository stuff from the ground up |
| 21:16.55 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi_, mostly developers who make proper software at least maintain in their own distro |
| 21:17.22 | ZogG_laptop | and i had requested few devs to maintain for my ditro and got fast responce |
| 21:17.28 | ZogG_laptop | but after all you are right |
| 21:17.33 | ZogG_laptop | mostly they don't |
| 21:17.42 | ZogG_laptop | it's just we have small platform |
| 21:17.50 | djszapi_ | a lot of communication about it forth and back is just not worthy |
| 21:17.59 | djszapi_ | everybody will waste the time. |
| 21:18.05 | djszapi_ | if it is important for you, do it. |
| 21:18.07 | djszapi_ | if not, do not do :D |
| 21:18.19 | ZogG_laptop | and i think if they already use cobs or repo it would be nice to as k them to push to repo, as it will help to have uptodate packages |
| 21:18.43 | ZogG_laptop | i don't care i wait from him to push it to apps4meego |
| 21:18.53 | djszapi_ | The qt5 developers would laugh at me asking them for packaging the project for Harmattan lol |
| 21:18.54 | ZogG_laptop | as i wait from Venemo to push to apps4meego |
| 21:19.21 | ZogG_laptop | don't compare |
| 21:19.41 | ZogG_laptop | i'm talking about app only for harmattan |
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| 21:42.47 | pa | any idea how to create a qml mappolyline in c++? |
| 21:44.53 | pa | it says: path : list<Coordinate> |
| 21:45.30 | pa | do you think i can pass a QList<QtMobility::QGeoCoordinate> ? |
| 21:45.47 | pa | i guess Coordinate is a qml wrapping for QGeoCoordinate |
| 21:45.53 | pa | and list probably for a QList? |
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| 22:05.46 | pa | probably most of you sleep already, but.. |
| 22:06.00 | pa | has anybody ported qtm-geoservices-extra to harmattan? |
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| 22:12.38 | ZogG_ | qwazix, ping |
| 22:13.19 | ZogG_ | qwazix, do you mind to push rawcam updates to apps4meego and/or rzr repo? |
| 22:18.27 | pa | so this guy, caco aka george ruinelli.. ported cacheme to harmattan, makes it not free, and does not even release the source code for the gpl part of it? |
| 22:25.09 | djszapi_ | he does not have to. |
| 22:25.32 | djszapi_ | also, you can ask money for free software. |
| 22:27.37 | pa | money is ok |
| 22:27.50 | pa | but why doesnt he have to release the source of the gpl part of his ap? |
| 22:27.57 | pa | it's gpl, not lgpl |
| 22:28.02 | pa | i checked |
| 22:28.08 | pa | (in the original cacheme) |
| 22:28.17 | djszapi_ | because he does not have to |
| 22:28.29 | djszapi_ | he only need to send a copy to someone if explicitely asked. |
| 22:28.32 | djszapi_ | needs* |
| 22:28.38 | djszapi_ | read what gpl is |
| 22:28.40 | pa | i see |
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| 22:30.41 | pa | by the way, do you know if dwaradzyn is still (active) in the community? i havent found signs of activity in the last.. yearsmaybe^ |
| 22:40.58 | beford | pa: did you get another phone? |
| 22:41.09 | beford | I saw you talking about battery life early |
| 22:46.47 | pa | beford, no still the same (even though im considering to send it back again) |
| 22:47.07 | beford | oh but which one? I thought you lost it |
| 22:48.17 | pa | yes, i got one stolen, so i bought another one |
| 22:48.23 | pa | but long time ago |
| 22:48.43 | beford | ah |
| 22:56.39 | ZogG_ | pa, buy another one |
| 22:56.43 | ZogG_ | an one more |
| 22:58.43 | pa | making fun coz u got it for free, hah |
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| 23:01.50 | ZogG_ | pa, i bought mine |
| 23:02.02 | ZogG_ | i bet it cost me more as they do not sell it in my country |
| 23:02.29 | beford | same here |
| 23:02.38 | ZogG_ | i got n950 for free though :P |
| 23:02.41 | beford | same for the N900 and the N810 |
| 23:03.30 | ZogG_ | i bought n900 and no garantee or any place to repair |
| 23:03.40 | ZogG_ | so i ruined it more trying to fix myself |
| 23:03.46 | ZogG_ | and no n810 ( |
| 23:04.14 | ZogG_ | beford, u have been on TMO for a while then, how come i never talked to you on #maemo or have i? |
| 23:04.54 | beford | I am quiet |
| 23:05.17 | pa | :) |
| 23:05.18 | ZogG_ | don't lie :P |
| 23:05.25 | ZogG_ | u alway make a mess here |
| 23:05.46 | ZogG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.40 | beford | heh |
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| 23:07.03 | beford | well I've been here on the irc for a while, I just never registered on the ITT forums back then |
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| 23:16.06 | ZogG_laptop | beford, :P |
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