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| 04:51.04 | MohammadAG | I hate it when code doesn't work for no obvious reason |
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| 05:26.26 | heymaster-laptop | Why after app was removed data in home directory was not removed ? |
| 05:27.21 | djszapi_ | heymaster-laptop: because it was not a purge removal? |
| 05:27.49 | heymaster-laptop | djszapi_: how to make purge removal on harmattan |
| 05:27.50 | heymaster-laptop | ? |
| 05:28.01 | mgedmin | iirc according to the Debian Policy, package installs/removals are not allowed to touch anything inside your home directory |
| 05:28.48 | heymaster-laptop | mgedmin: ok |
| 05:31.47 | djszapi_ | heymaster-laptop: dpkg -P |
| 05:32.15 | djszapi_ | or apt-get --purge |
| 05:32.25 | heymaster-laptop | djszapi_: where to store application data ? i'm now storing in home directory. is it good or bad ? |
| 05:32.56 | djszapi_ | it is good |
| 05:33.09 | heymaster-laptop | I'm using: QFile file(QDir::homePath() + QDir::separator() + "servers.db") ; |
| 05:33.34 | djszapi_ | uhhh, that is nasty... |
| 05:33.40 | djszapi_ | you should never ever do that... |
| 05:34.13 | MohammadAG | need, to, sleep.... |
| 05:34.36 | heymaster-laptop | djszapi_: why not ? |
| 05:34.43 | MohammadAG | use QDesktopServices::storageLocation |
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| 05:35.01 | MohammadAG | also, purge only deletes conffiles defined in package |
| 05:35.13 | djszapi_ | that is incorrect |
| 05:35.18 | djszapi_ | purge removes what is defined |
| 05:35.24 | djszapi_ | to be removed |
| 05:37.15 | djszapi_ | heymaster-laptop: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qdesktopservices.html#StandardLocation-enum |
| 05:37.30 | djszapi_ | heymaster-laptop: you should use the data location |
| 05:38.09 | heymaster-laptop | djszapi_: QFile file(QDesktopServices::storageLocation(QDesktopServices::DataLocation) + QDir::separator() + "servers.db") ; |
| 05:38.13 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.25 | heymaster-laptop | do i need to use qdir::seperator ? |
| 05:38.28 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 05:38.32 | heymaster-laptop | ok |
| 05:38.33 | MohammadAG | also, thanks for that |
| 05:38.37 | MohammadAG | I use "/" |
| 05:38.47 | heymaster-laptop | :) |
| 05:38.50 | djszapi_ | heymaster-laptop: no, you do not need to |
| 05:38.56 | djszapi_ | heymaster-laptop: please do not use |
| 05:39.08 | heymaster-laptop | ok |
| 05:39.10 | djszapi_ | MohammadAG: I remove whatever I want to |
| 05:39.25 | djszapi_ | I would suggest you taking a look at how the debian maintainer scripts work. |
| 05:39.58 | djszapi_ | there are tons of examples out there for Harmattan how purge removals are customized, really. |
| 05:40.14 | MohammadAG | djszapi_, I'm not asking for an explanation |
| 05:40.18 | MohammadAG | most packages on Harmattan are shit |
| 05:40.25 | djszapi_ | mgedmin: the debian policy does not really make sense here |
| 05:40.35 | MohammadAG | the only thing purge will do on those is remove /etc files |
| 05:40.35 | djszapi_ | mgedmin: it is harmattan, not debian |
| 05:40.46 | djszapi_ | mgedmin: perfectly fine on Harmattan to clean up the mess for purge. |
| 05:40.50 | MohammadAG | it does make sense |
| 05:40.51 | djszapi_ | and the recommended way IMO. |
| 05:41.10 | MohammadAG | debian packaging policy makes sense wherever debian packaging is used |
| 05:41.18 | mgedmin | djszapi_, agreed |
| 05:41.41 | mgedmin | iirc harmattan had a packaging policy based on debian's, with some changes? but I read it a long time ago and don't remember |
| 05:42.12 | djszapi_ | mgedmin: no clue, but the user will not come to just delete the mess |
| 05:42.18 | djszapi_ | it is an end user phone |
| 05:42.22 | djszapi_ | not a server distribution here |
| 05:42.37 | djszapi_ | and since it is a "single-user" concept here, it is fine to clean up on purge |
| 05:43.27 | djszapi_ | I would even make this mandatory when Ovi reviews packages. |
| 05:43.33 | djszapi_ | otherwise the phone accumulates the mess from time to time. |
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| 06:07.09 | ZogG_laptop | heymaster-laptop: ping |
| 06:07.25 | heymaster | ZogG_laptop: :) |
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| 06:08.29 | ZogG_laptop | heymaster: gonna email you some logs |
| 06:08.41 | heymaster | ZogG_laptop: ok |
| 06:09.07 | heymaster | what is wrong ? |
| 06:09.12 | heymaster | :) |
| 06:12.40 | ZogG_laptop | sen you |
| 06:12.44 | ZogG_laptop | sent you* |
| 06:12.52 | heymaster | ok. i see |
| 06:22.47 | heymaster | ZogG_laptop: http://forum.meego.com/archive/index.php/t-5457.html << looks like same problem, but don't understand how to solve it |
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| 07:10.18 | ZogG_laptop | heymaster: aegis |
| 07:10.28 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: can you help him? |
| 07:11.28 | ZogG_laptop | heymaster: last comment solves the problem |
| 07:12.29 | heymaster | ZogG_laptop: i have http://pastebin.com/XHgY9YFT << aegis manifest file, but haven't helped |
| 07:13.02 | heymaster | did like in forum described |
| 07:13.09 | ZogG_laptop | try to witch one line with id and without |
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| 07:14.21 | heymaster | ZogG_laptop: what to do ? |
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| 07:15.45 | ZogG_laptop | put <for path="/opt/servermonitor/bin/servermonitor" id="servermonitor" /> this first |
| 07:15.51 | heymaster | ok |
| 07:16.04 | heymaster | you think what would change anything ? :) |
| 07:16.59 | ZogG_laptop | dunno |
| 07:17.06 | ZogG_laptop | worth trying |
| 07:17.19 | heymaster | ok :) |
| 07:18.02 | ZogG_laptop | ask djszapi_ or jonni, they may help |
| 07:18.55 | heymaster | ok |
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| 07:19.25 | ZogG_laptop | In C++, the token I used was then "binary_name::encrypt". |
| 07:19.32 | ZogG_laptop | did u do that too? |
| 07:20.44 | heymaster | aegis_crypto_result rc = aegis_crypto_encrypt(clearData.data(), clearData.length(), "testtoken", &cipherData, &cipherLength) ; |
| 07:20.54 | heymaster | "testtoken" :) |
| 07:26.25 | ZogG_laptop | try with app name maybe i dunno |
| 07:28.55 | ZogG_laptop | any result? |
| 07:40.47 | heymaster | ZogG_laptop: no |
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| 07:43.34 | jonni | atleast on quicklook it that aegis file has duplicate for paths, most likely breaks aegis functionality |
| 07:44.14 | ZogG_laptop | you mean with id and without? |
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| 07:59.13 | olmi | hi. is there a way to change the 'from' address to something else than the account's primary address when sending mail with N9? (other than having a second account with a different address) |
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| 08:01.04 | olmi | ...whoops, perhaps #n9 is more suitable |
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| 08:10.09 | thp | ZogG_laptop: the incomplete downloads is just a "normal" dialog |
| 08:10.23 | thp | ZogG_laptop: however, that's a screenshot from my laptop with qt-components compiled from source |
| 08:10.46 | thp | ZogG_laptop: apparently qt components from git includes the themeing fix where the affirmative button is colored (it's not colored on the device) |
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| 08:45.41 | heymaster | ZogG_laptop: ping |
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| 08:48.32 | heymaster | i send to to you |
| 08:48.37 | Lava_Croft | thp: any plans for the next Billboard update, if any? |
| 08:51.57 | pa | thp: any plans to fix ipAddr? :) |
| 08:54.32 | Lava_Croft | its broken? |
| 08:55.08 | pa | well no, but its a bit buggy, coz if the ip is in the form of xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx, then parts of it end out of the icon |
| 08:55.25 | Lava_Croft | isnt that related to the font size? |
| 08:55.54 | pa | you mean the font size used to burn the ip into the icon? |
| 08:56.00 | pa | yes probably |
| 08:56.09 | pa | or the ip could be split into two lines |
| 08:56.23 | Lava_Croft | it even displays 2 ips fine here |
| 08:56.28 | Lava_Croft | when i switched from mobile to wifi |
| 08:56.34 | Lava_Croft | on a single line |
| 08:56.48 | pa | do you get a 12 digits ip? |
| 08:56.58 | Lava_Croft | nope |
| 08:57.02 | pa | heh u see |
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| 09:27.58 | pa | is there an helloGL example for harmattan? |
| 09:28.17 | pa | apparently the one in sdk does not work on maemo platforms, or at least this is what the pro file says |
| 09:34.53 | tomma | hellogl_es2 should work |
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| 09:37.56 | pa | in the sdk? |
| 09:38.01 | pa | let me try to find it |
| 09:38.25 | pa | its there indeed |
| 09:40.16 | pa | thanks tomma! |
| 09:42.51 | pa | well more or less.. apparently it doesnt find the shaders |
| 09:42.55 | pa | but it shows something :) |
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| 10:07.39 | tomma | pa, shader problem can be fixed by creating program1 and program2 QShaderPrograms in GLWidget::initializeGL() |
| 10:08.11 | djszapi|win | heymaster-laptop: jonni ZogG_laptop was the aegis-crypto issue solved? |
| 10:08.40 | heymaster-laptop | djszapi|win: yes, i think i solved it |
| 10:09.08 | djszapi|win | k |
| 10:09.33 | heymaster-laptop | djszapi|win: I used NULL for token and used <for path="/opt/servermonitor/bin/servermonitor" />, <for path="applauncherd-launcher::/usr/bin/applauncherd.bin" id="" /> lines in manifest.aegis |
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| 11:08.38 | wirwe | does anyone know where n9 mainboards can be bought? |
| 11:09.05 | wirwe | except for nokia^^ |
| 11:24.07 | thp | pa: what is there to fix? i haven't gotten any bug report |
| 11:24.16 | thp | Lava_Croft: yes, nothing concrete yet, but there will be an update at some point :) |
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| 12:36.24 | ZogG_laptop | thp: it is colored on device i think, try to set alarm or was it calendar... i asked coz buttons are straight and not like on device, on device the shadow or let's say one of layers of button is displaced and makes it ugly |
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| 12:49.40 | MohammadAG | can someone look at my code and tell my what's wrong? |
| 12:51.52 | MohammadAG | me* |
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| 13:11.07 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: i can look and not to understand it :P |
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| 13:32.14 | ZogG_laptop | MPEG H.265 :) |
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| 13:47.00 | pa | do you know whether aegis encryption functionalities are available also to python? |
| 13:47.45 | pa | s/to/in/ |
| 13:52.26 | MohammadAG | can't figure out why my code's aborting |
| 13:53.37 | jonni | pa: only C and C++ api is avail for aegis crypto. |
| 13:53.51 | pa | ah ok. so i have to wrap it myself i guess |
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| 13:57.03 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: show it :P |
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| 13:57.53 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/ntKYf1kL |
| 13:57.59 | MohammadAG | all custom classes are fine |
| 13:58.26 | ZogG_laptop | gri: didn't heard of you for a while |
| 13:58.45 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: no other data? |
| 13:59.03 | MohammadAG | huh? |
| 13:59.07 | ZogG_laptop | and when it crasshes? |
| 13:59.30 | ZogG_laptop | like if it fall on specific place? does it have errors? |
| 13:59.40 | MohammadAG | "Aborted" |
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| 13:59.53 | MohammadAG | after looping about 10-20 times (depends on messages count) |
| 14:03.10 | jonni | looking the code for 5 seconds, why do you connect to finished signal million times? (on each refresh) ? maybe I just dont understand your code though :) |
| 14:04.42 | MohammadAG | jonni, the QNetworkReply is destroyed after the data is read |
| 14:04.43 | pa | is it only me who likes to keep the implementation in the header? :p |
| 14:04.54 | MohammadAG | pa, depends :P |
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| 14:05.16 | pa | i mean, in 2012 IDEs should be able to collapse function bodies |
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| 14:07.18 | MohammadAG | I think "to" is empty |
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| 14:12.36 | javispedro | this reminds me of my usual rant.. |
| 14:12.40 | javispedro | WHERE ARE THE DEBUG SYMBOLS??? |
| 14:12.45 | javispedro | WHERE.... ? |
| 14:12.55 | javispedro | curses |
| 14:12.59 | javispedro | </rant> |
| 14:13.38 | MohammadAG | javispedro, debugging is useless on Harmattan |
| 14:13.47 | javispedro | is useless BECAUSE of the lack of debug symbols |
| 14:14.00 | MohammadAG | you forgot to <rant> |
| 14:14.05 | MohammadAG | Syntax error! |
| 14:14.25 | javispedro | jonni: before you leave nokia (if you haven't yet :( ) , maybe you could figure out where could mortals fetch debug symbols for N9 PR1.3? |
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| 14:15.07 | djszapiN9 | ZogG_laptop, ping |
| 14:15.16 | pa | er... i dont understand what you are complaining about. tdont you have to printf your stuff to debug? |
| 14:15.26 | pa | :#) |
| 14:15.38 | sledges | :) |
| 14:15.41 | javispedro | ~chase pa |
| 14:15.41 | infobot | ACTION chases pa |
| 14:15.48 | pa | :) |
| 14:15.59 | djszapiN9 | javispedro, sup |
| 14:16.08 | javispedro | hiya djszapiN9 |
| 14:16.16 | djszapiN9 | ZogG_laptop, figured out the origin of the bot? |
| 14:17.24 | jonni | javispedro: well for opensource stuff you can ofcourse compile debug packages from dvd, for closed source, its a bit more difficult. |
| 14:17.59 | javispedro | jonni: I cannot make bit identical builds out of the dvd, so my only course of action is to replace packages with my own builds |
| 14:18.20 | javispedro | ... which is what I've been doing with the N950. Up to the point I'm able to disable aegis in the kernel config, but that's another story. |
| 14:18.32 | javispedro | but I'd prefer not to mess with N9. |
| 14:19.15 | MohammadAG | oh for fuck's sake |
| 14:19.29 | javispedro | (one of the reasons I got the N9 was that I supposed the SDK repo's symbols would match N9's releases, but they don't either...) |
| 14:19.34 | MohammadAG | why is developing for any other platform easier |
| 14:19.48 | pa | is it? |
| 14:20.02 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 14:20.14 | MohammadAG | look at the tools available from XCode |
| 14:20.18 | pa | i havent tried, but after all doing it for N9 is its not hard |
| 14:20.30 | pa | no idea.. i sold my ibook in 2006 |
| 14:21.07 | javispedro | jonni: to sum it up, even the -dbg packages from OSS packages alone would be "useful". maybe you know if there's anyone I could bother? |
| 14:21.57 | jonni | javispedro: yep things are not that good, only hope would be that if Nokia would release 'final pr1.3 sdk with working repo' or if someone leaks the internal repo to public. |
| 14:23.04 | pa | but is there any more work done at all on harmattan in nokia? or is this an information non disclosable? :) |
| 14:23.42 | jonni | well there is a small hope now that digia bough qt, that there will be qtsdk update someday, but time will tell. |
| 14:23.47 | pa | i mean some "accepted" bugs were not fixed in 1.3. does it mean there will be 1.4, or does it mean they will never be fixed? |
| 14:24.27 | pa | like battery % is the first that comes to my mind |
| 14:24.36 | MohammadAG | what about it? |
| 14:24.47 | pa | it jumps from something around 10 to 4 |
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| 14:24.49 | javispedro | meh, actual "work" I consider virtually impossible |
| 14:25.03 | javispedro | but just scping *-dbg*.deb =) |
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| 14:26.02 | javispedro | btw, the builtin twitter client might s top working in 6 months. |
| 14:26.09 | jonni | ps: battery % is not critical bug and batteries dont report any values, so most likely its just beeing ignored. But if there is critical bugs then there might be fixes released some day. Or not :) |
| 14:26.10 | javispedro | as twitter "deprecates" their 1.0 API... |
| 14:26.53 | MohammadAG | MUHAHAHAH |
| 14:27.04 | MohammadAG | qDebug-ging every line ftw |
| 14:27.09 | javispedro | yes. |
| 14:27.11 | pa | good boy |
| 14:27.13 | javispedro | grrrs |
| 14:27.13 | MohammadAG | QString latestMessage = messages.last().toMap().value("message").toString(); |
| 14:27.30 | jonni | javispedro: that is known, thats why twitter application was updated in PR1.3 so it would continue to work... |
| 14:28.03 | javispedro | hm? you will need to change its key when the new API ships |
| 14:28.13 | javispedro | admiteddly a small update |
| 14:28.36 | MohammadAG | why? |
| 14:28.57 | javispedro | you will need to make it point to "1.1" URLs, have a "1.1" key |
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| 14:29.12 | javispedro | and neither are working as of today |
| 14:29.54 | jonni | that would go under 'critical bug fix' and you would just see software upgreade on N9 |
| 14:30.07 | javispedro | thinking that probably "big clients" might already have special URLs |
| 14:30.14 | MohammadAG | sed? |
| 14:30.56 | jonni | javispedro: but afaik, that deprecation issue was already handled on pr1.3 release of twitter client. |
| 14:31.18 | javispedro | well, good to know.. |
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| 14:31.57 | MohammadAG | javispedro, can't find references to old URLs |
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| 15:09.49 | javispedro | ok, xmimd fixed for translucent keyboards |
| 15:09.57 | javispedro | should make easydebian more glassssssssy |
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| 15:22.36 | ZogG_laptop | thp: ping |
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| 16:20.43 | rashm2k | creating guis is a loooooonbnnng process!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:20.55 | javispedro | it is |
| 16:22.36 | pa | indeed |
| 16:23.04 | pa | especially if one (me) does not have the patience to encapsulate components |
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| 16:36.56 | rashm2k | true dat |
| 16:39.31 | rashm2k | whats even worse is that I don't even know what I'm creating should look like! |
| 16:39.45 | pa | maybe you want to draw it on paper |
| 16:39.48 | pa | fitst |
| 16:39.52 | pa | first |
| 16:40.10 | rashm2k | yeah done that to some extent |
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| 16:47.10 | rashm2k | how do you anchor to something thats defined in another QML file? |
| 16:47.56 | rashm2k | e.g. I have created a custom QML file which contains a single rectangle |
| 16:48.09 | rashm2k | and expands when clicked |
| 16:49.01 | rashm2k | if I put 2 rectangles 1 underneath the other then when expanded the second one does not move down |
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| 16:55.36 | ieatlint | qml elements can only anchor to their parent or sybling |
| 16:55.49 | ieatlint | your description of what you're trying to do is unclear |
| 16:58.50 | ZogG_laptop | ieatlint: i don't think you are right |
| 16:58.56 | ZogG_laptop | rashm2k: care to show |
| 16:59.09 | rashm2k | trying to put it on pastebin or something |
| 16:59.46 | ZogG_laptop | ieatlint: i use pic and under it comments, first picture is not displayed and comments just under but when picture displayed it expands the height and comments do go down on y along with it |
| 17:01.09 | Elleo | got the amazon cloud reader mostly working on the n9 http://bit.ly/N5GS0A http://bit.ly/TK21fw :) |
| 17:01.16 | Elleo | just need a few more usability tweaks |
| 17:01.21 | rashm2k | http://pastebin.com/Sa5S3VnZ |
| 17:02.22 | rashm2k | I'm trying to add two ExpandingListViews |
| 17:03.09 | rashm2k | when top one expands the bottom one does not move down |
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| 17:10.05 | rashm2k | any ideas people? |
| 17:11.01 | ieatlint | ZogG_laptop: i'm unclear what you're saying |
| 17:12.00 | ZogG_laptop | ieatlint: it's coz i'm mystery :P |
| 17:12.10 | ieatlint | rashm2k: care to give a line number on where to look? |
| 17:13.02 | ZogG_laptop | rashm2k: show the problematic screenshot please |
| 17:13.29 | ZogG_laptop | rashm2k: i think i knwo what's the problem, just whant to be sure |
| 17:14.01 | ZogG_laptop | i think you need to add width\heigh and to add top bottom things :) |
| 17:16.38 | rashm2k | line 93 |
| 17:17.00 | rashm2k | the transition changes the height of the listContainer |
| 17:17.32 | rashm2k | which is my expanding list |
| 17:18.54 | ieatlint | yeah, looks correct |
| 17:19.16 | ZogG_laptop | rashm2k: you can use height for objects as for example parent.height-1stobj.heigh-2obj.heigh-10 just to make it proper =) and than achor.top: 2ndobj.bottom |
| 17:19.53 | ieatlint | hopes you really name objects like that :) |
| 17:22.29 | javispedro | djszapiN9: btw, can you elaborate a bit on https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23952 ? |
| 17:22.45 | javispedro | djszapiN9: I mean, does this mean that the scratchbox devkit has the warning message removed? |
| 17:22.52 | javispedro | djszapiN9: or is there something else to it? |
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| 17:23.18 | javispedro | :( |
| 17:23.21 | ZogG_laptop | rashm2k: https://github.com/funkycode/imgrup/blob/master/src/qml/imgrup/GalleryImage.qml - look how i gave the anchors and sizes there |
| 17:23.28 | javispedro | djszapi^^ |
| 17:26.29 | rashm2k | got it now |
| 17:26.43 | rashm2k | wrappeed the whole item in another container! |
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| 17:36.43 | ZogG_laptop | rashm2k: seen my example? |
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| 17:44.54 | djszapi_ | javispedro: sorry, no any time. Busy with the contributor device program.. |
| 17:45.01 | javispedro | djszapi_: no problem |
| 17:45.14 | javispedro | trying to figure out some of the longstanding harm obs problems |
| 17:45.16 | javispedro | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Javispedro/OBS_notes |
| 17:46.26 | djszapi_ | harm obs is perfect (TM) :) |
| 17:46.36 | javispedro | I know ;P |
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| 17:47.11 | javispedro | I think that we'll fix both aegis issues if the devkit dpkg-* stuff is used |
| 17:47.15 | djszapi_ | there is no any real problem that warning apart from spammy. |
| 17:47.19 | djszapi_ | it does not cause any real issues |
| 17:47.29 | djszapi_ | the package installation is in wrong order in the project setup |
| 17:47.39 | djszapi_ | but I take my hat off in front of a person who fixes that... |
| 17:47.59 | javispedro | wrong order? :o |
| 17:48.01 | djszapi_ | with that warning* |
| 17:51.23 | javispedro | there's an issue though, no automatic manifests. |
| 17:51.47 | javispedro | workaroundable too. everything is... |
| 17:52.39 | djszapi_ | that is not just an obs issue |
| 17:52.51 | djszapi_ | in general, there are problems about that. |
| 17:53.29 | rashm2k | oh some aegis experts are online! |
| 17:53.31 | rashm2k | goody |
| 17:53.40 | javispedro | hides |
| 17:53.48 | rashm2k | lol |
| 17:54.08 | rashm2k | I need to store some specific user token for a web service |
| 17:54.48 | rashm2k | any pointers about whats the best way to do this? |
| 17:54.59 | djszapi_ | javispedro: any specific reasons you are collecting those issues separately? |
| 17:55.22 | javispedro | the two aegis ones? dunno, I suspect they are the same one indeed. |
| 17:55.46 | javispedro | as for the four two it's just the four I hit right now |
| 17:55.52 | djszapi_ | no... let me ask differently: why have you created this page? |
| 17:55.53 | javispedro | *as for the other two |
| 17:56.32 | javispedro | trying to understand obs better as noone seems to do =) |
| 17:56.46 | djszapi_ | I have done :) |
| 17:56.49 | djszapi_ | but nobody fixed my reports. |
| 17:57.57 | djszapi_ | javispedro: there is a big pitfall about the harm c-obs. |
| 17:57.58 | djszapi_ | perhaps the biggest |
| 17:58.01 | djszapi_ | that is also reported |
| 17:58.11 | javispedro | shoot |
| 17:58.30 | ZogG_laptop | pa: mazal tov with app announcement |
| 17:58.35 | djszapi_ | it is integrating the dev repository. |
| 17:58.52 | djszapi_ | making the packges risky on devices |
| 17:58.53 | djszapi_ | packages* |
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| 17:59.48 | javispedro | djszapi_: what do you mean? there has been no newer dev repos.. |
| 18:00.12 | pa | ZogG_laptop, hæ? whats mazal tov? |
| 18:00.15 | djszapi_ | the dev repository is not meant for the device |
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| 18:01.06 | javispedro | djszapi_: but it has been always this way? |
| 18:01.13 | djszapi_ | that is the problem |
| 18:01.24 | ZogG_laptop | pa: good luck in hebrew, it's mostly used as congrats, and even used in a lot of american movies |
| 18:01.29 | djszapi_ | no any guarantee any packages will work on the device from the community repository |
| 18:01.42 | djszapi_ | or from any repositories on the harm c-obs |
| 18:01.49 | pa | ah thanks :) |
| 18:02.03 | javispedro | djszapi_: well, it's true, but there's nothing to be done as Nokia has not released anything newer than > 1.0 |
| 18:02.15 | djszapi_ | javispedro: unsure what you mean? |
| 18:02.55 | javispedro | if a package does not work is because there were binary ABI differences between dev repo (which is stuck in PR1.0) and device (which might be 1.2, 1.3) |
| 18:03.08 | djszapi_ | nope |
| 18:03.15 | djszapi_ | the dev repository were updated |
| 18:03.16 | javispedro | oh |
| 18:03.22 | javispedro | no :( |
| 18:03.23 | javispedro | I wish. |
| 18:03.25 | ZogG_laptop | i think it was upgraded to 1.1 or somthing |
| 18:03.28 | djszapi_ | yes |
| 18:03.30 | javispedro | a few packages were upgraded. |
| 18:03.31 | djszapi_ | it was updated |
| 18:03.32 | djszapi_ | really |
| 18:03.36 | djszapi_ | it was harmattan |
| 18:03.39 | djszapi_ | then harmattan2 |
| 18:03.41 | djszapi_ | then harmattan3 |
| 18:03.44 | djszapi_ | not it is back |
| 18:03.46 | djszapi_ | now* |
| 18:03.54 | djszapi_ | but this is off topic anyway |
| 18:04.13 | djszapi_ | the thing, Nokia does not guarantee that, the dev repo is working in non-dev environment as the device |
| 18:04.24 | javispedro | ah |
| 18:04.28 | djszapi_ | so we built a stack (community repository) on this borked ground. |
| 18:04.34 | javispedro | but you are not installing any packages from it into the device, aren't you? ;) |
| 18:04.40 | djszapi_ | so if an app works on the device, that is pure luck. |
| 18:04.45 | djszapi_ | why not? |
| 18:04.51 | djszapi_ | from the community repository? |
| 18:04.54 | djszapi_ | of course I do. |
| 18:04.59 | javispedro | from the _dev_ repository |
| 18:05.05 | djszapi_ | same |
| 18:05.10 | javispedro | I mean, if you install gcc or similar from sdk/dev repository, you will break device |
| 18:05.11 | djszapi_ | I do install from that |
| 18:05.18 | javispedro | that does not mean any package built with that gcc will break device :) |
| 18:05.25 | javispedro | *brick |
| 18:05.31 | djszapi_ | but even if I was not, it would still break the entire goal of the community repository. |
| 18:05.35 | pa | tomma, but program1 and program2 are already created, in the default InitializeGL |
| 18:05.52 | javispedro | djszapi_: I think you are exaggerating a bit here :/ |
| 18:05.56 | javispedro | djszapi_: see example above |
| 18:05.57 | djszapi_ | to have guaranteed packages that do run on the device. |
| 18:05.58 | javispedro | about gcc. |
| 18:06.05 | djszapi_ | no, it is not exaggerating at all |
| 18:06.10 | djszapi_ | some people bricked the device |
| 18:06.14 | djszapi_ | due to signing issues etc |
| 18:06.17 | djszapi_ | check out the forum |
| 18:06.18 | ZogG_laptop | with gcc? |
| 18:06.22 | djszapi_ | it is not something you can take lightly. |
| 18:06.36 | javispedro | installing packages _from the dev repo_ _will_ brick device, that is for sure. |
| 18:06.43 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi_: let's say you dont have to be smart to brick the device :P |
| 18:07.00 | javispedro | but that does not mean installing packages from obs, even if built using build-deps from dev repo will brick device. |
| 18:07.02 | djszapi_ | javispedro: you are not getting the point. :) |
| 18:07.24 | djszapi_ | the harmattan repository (dev) is a /dependency/ for c-obs harm |
| 18:07.31 | djszapi_ | so is it for the community repository |
| 18:07.37 | djszapi_ | packages may be pulled in from there. |
| 18:07.45 | javispedro | yes |
| 18:07.46 | djszapi_ | brick is the worst case scenario |
| 18:07.48 | javispedro | that is completely necessary |
| 18:07.51 | djszapi_ | but there can be a lot of issues |
| 18:07.54 | javispedro | because you need to fetch gcc, binutils, |
| 18:07.55 | javispedro | bash, etc. from it |
| 18:08.08 | djszapi_ | no, you do not. |
| 18:08.09 | javispedro | but you should NEVER add the dev repository to the device |
| 18:08.16 | djszapi_ | why would you ever need gcc for kanagram? |
| 18:08.41 | djszapi_ | of course you should |
| 18:08.54 | djszapi_ | since the community repository does have that as a dependency |
| 18:09.01 | djszapi_ | for grabbing the dependencies from there... |
| 18:09.08 | javispedro | no |
| 18:09.20 | javispedro | I think that what happened to you is that your package ended for some reason having a dependency |
| 18:09.36 | javispedro | that was only in the sdk rep |
| 18:09.39 | javispedro | *repo |
| 18:09.49 | javispedro | that should most definitely "not happen" (TM) ;) |
| 18:09.57 | javispedro | but I suspect it might happen... |
| 18:10.04 | javispedro | djszapi_: do you have an example? |
| 18:10.09 | djszapi_ | there are tons of example |
| 18:10.10 | valdur55 | javispedro, irssi |
| 18:10.16 | djszapi_ | just take a look at the repository |
| 18:10.31 | djszapi_ | tons of libraries you need to have for an app runtime |
| 18:10.40 | valdur55 | libperl5.10 issue. |
| 18:10.41 | djszapi_ | and it happens a LOT. |
| 18:10.49 | djszapi_ | that is the main problem. |
| 18:11.00 | djszapi_ | the harm c-obs got this very unfortunate decision |
| 18:11.11 | javispedro | libperl is not on the device |
| 18:11.18 | djszapi_ | so we were forced in the community repository (and everywhere else) to build on that broken decision |
| 18:11.31 | djszapi_ | javispedro: you need perl in a perl app? |
| 18:11.36 | djszapi_ | does that sound logical? |
| 18:11.39 | javispedro | perl is not on harmattan |
| 18:11.51 | valdur55 | yes,. but irssi have dep |
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| 18:12.12 | djszapi_ | javispedro: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/p/perl/ |
| 18:12.31 | javispedro | djszapi_: that's sdk repo, and as said, it is not meant for device |
| 18:12.51 | javispedro | valdur55: so you do what you have to do when porting a package and lack a dependency. you port perl to harmattan. |
| 18:12.52 | djszapi_ | that is what I am saying all the way along... |
| 18:12.57 | pa | tomma, ok google helped me a little finding qmlvideofx |
| 18:12.58 | djszapi_ | and have said tons of times in the past |
| 18:13.00 | djszapi_ | nothing changed. |
| 18:13.24 | javispedro | djszapi_: I see the problem, but I can say it is not a problem :) |
| 18:13.42 | djszapi_ | javispedro: because you do not care certain packages do not work? |
| 18:13.46 | javispedro | djszapi_: to put it simply: if your package ends up with a dep on a package that is on sdk repo only, consider it as a build failure |
| 18:13.50 | djszapi_ | and certain packages brick the device? |
| 18:13.58 | djszapi_ | and certain packages messes up? |
| 18:14.14 | javispedro | djszapi_: it cannot happen unless you coax users into adding sdk repo to sources.list |
| 18:14.16 | djszapi_ | why would you? |
| 18:14.29 | djszapi_ | where else would you get the dependency from? |
| 18:14.40 | djszapi_ | nowhere? |
| 18:14.43 | djszapi_ | from collision? |
| 18:14.46 | javispedro | nowhere unless you port it. |
| 18:14.49 | djszapi_ | worse? |
| 18:14.52 | djszapi_ | good luck! |
| 18:14.55 | djszapi_ | hahahahaha |
| 18:14.58 | djszapi_ | so you say collision |
| 18:15.03 | djszapi_ | thanks, but no thanks... |
| 18:15.13 | djszapi_ | we have spent enormous amount of times with collision between repos |
| 18:15.14 | javispedro | which collision |
| 18:15.20 | djszapi_ | to clean up, but thanks again, no thanks... |
| 18:15.21 | javispedro | you are not supposed to enable sdk repo on device. |
| 18:15.50 | djszapi_ | so the harm c-obs SHOULD NOT INTEGRATE. |
| 18:16.06 | javispedro | it should because it's the only way you can fetch BUILD tools. |
| 18:16.13 | djszapi_ | ok, I give up. |
| 18:16.21 | javispedro | scratchbox does it too. |
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| 18:17.08 | djszapi_ | I recommend to get to know c-obs better. |
| 18:17.12 | djszapi_ | you will see the problem yourself. |
| 18:17.20 | djszapi_ | if you do not believe us. |
| 18:17.34 | javispedro | to simplify: there's a repo with BUILD tools. we call this the sdk or dev repo. you use this package to fetch _build_ dependencies, like gcc or bash. A package you built turns out with a dependency on bash. |
| 18:17.40 | javispedro | Your package is _broken_. |
| 18:17.45 | javispedro | It is not obs fault. |
| 18:17.50 | javispedro | Same would have happened under Scratchbox. |
| 18:17.50 | djszapi_ | sigh |
| 18:17.57 | djszapi_ | bunchof people analyzed the situation |
| 18:17.59 | javispedro | or any other build system on the surface of this planet. |
| 18:18.00 | djszapi_ | but our fault, sure |
| 18:18.07 | djszapi_ | you clearly do not understand how it works |
| 18:18.31 | djszapi_ | let me say again, and last. Perhaps there is a miracle you know understand: |
| 18:18.50 | djszapi_ | the harm c-obs integrates the WHOLE developer repository |
| 18:19.07 | djszapi_ | means, if you wanna repackage X% of it, you will have an uncool CLASH |
| 18:19.15 | pa | so, i get QGLShaderProgram::addShader: Program and shader are not associated with same context. , and i found that i have to Delay invocation of initializeGL until the event loop has started. how do i do that? |
| 18:19.23 | pa | (non in qml) |
| 18:19.25 | djszapi_ | which we have spent ENORMOUS amount of time to fix for even one case. |
| 18:19.31 | pa | just wanna fix hellogl_es2 |
| 18:19.42 | djszapi_ | so the clear fix is, c-obs ONLY integrates what is needed for BUILD. |
| 18:19.50 | javispedro | this guy gets it --> https://bugs.meego.com/attachment.cgi?id=9679 |
| 18:20.34 | djszapi_ | you are misinterpreting Marcell. |
| 18:20.42 | djszapi_ | but whatever, up to you. |
| 18:21.24 | djszapi_ | Marcell is actually one of the people I discussed the issue wrt this about harm c-obs, and firmly agreed with us. |
| 18:21.57 | ZogG_laptop | >_> |
| 18:22.36 | javispedro | *sigh* |
| 18:22.47 | javispedro | so yeah, let's fix it by removing the sdk repo from the autobuilder. |
| 18:22.56 | djszapi_ | no |
| 18:23.08 | djszapi_ | you clearly do not understand how the integration of the sdk repository works :) |
| 18:23.26 | javispedro | so, explain.. |
| 18:23.30 | djszapi_ | I would suggest you to understand the system better before criticizing the once who know. |
| 18:23.36 | djszapi_ | ones* |
| 18:23.55 | djszapi_ | no, sorry, I do not have more time for this topic. I need to progress with my other tasks. |
| 18:24.18 | djszapi_ | write an email to Marcell, if you do not believe in us. |
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| 18:25.07 | javispedro | Marcell designed the policy I've explained, so your assertions quite surprise me to say the least. |
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| 18:25.44 | djszapi_ | because you are unaware how the system works, and instead of asking, you offend. |
| 18:26.00 | pa | ok, this doesnt work: http://pastebin.com/p3BSmfEH . how would be right? |
| 18:26.15 | pa | i mean, how do i set inittializeGL for queuedconnection? |
| 18:26.49 | tomma | pa, is it still that hellogl_es2 example? |
| 18:26.49 | javispedro | pa: invokeMethod's first argument should be a pointer to a QObject |
| 18:26.57 | djszapi_ | pa: why are you doing it that way? |
| 18:27.17 | pa | tomma, yes, and i found this: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/video-qmlvideofx-main-cpp.html |
| 18:27.25 | pa | (at the very bottom) |
| 18:27.50 | djszapi_ | pa: why not initialize at another place? |
| 18:28.08 | djszapi_ | javispedro: the packages are imported |
| 18:28.17 | djszapi_ | javispedro: the harm c-obs does not use the dev repository |
| 18:28.30 | djszapi_ | through source.list or a "linkage". |
| 18:28.31 | pa | djszapi_, mh donno, im trying to get hellogl_es2 to work fine |
| 18:28.37 | pa | so i have an example to start from |
| 18:28.40 | tomma | pa, just ignore that... in hellogl_es2 make shaderprograms pointers and create them in initializeGL function |
| 18:28.41 | djszapi_ | pa: I would recommend against that usage. |
| 18:28.54 | pa | tomma, it does that already |
| 18:28.55 | javispedro | djszapi_: but it uses it to build them only. packages from the dev repository do not end up in the cobs repositories. |
| 18:29.16 | pa | but it says: QGLShaderProgram::addShader: Program and shader are not associated with same context |
| 18:29.20 | djszapi_ | javispedro: can I ask you please to read the conversation again? |
| 18:29.39 | djszapi_ | I believe I mentioned everything relevant by now with this last information, so a bit of puzzle should make this clear for you. |
| 18:29.56 | djszapi_ | and if not, I will try to answer. |
| 18:30.08 | valdur55 | Ok. But what additional repos should i use ? |
| 18:30.43 | djszapi_ | valdur55: ideally just the community repository |
| 18:30.57 | djszapi_ | but due to the b0rked design for the package integration, you need to use the dev repository as well |
| 18:31.07 | tomma | pa, if you create those QShaderProgram instances inside initializeGL function then they are in same context |
| 18:31.10 | javispedro | back in diablo/fremantle days, there was a tools repo for on-device developer packages |
| 18:31.48 | valdur55 | djszapi, can you lilk to community repository ? |
| 18:31.57 | djszapi_ | valdur55: see the topic and the landing page |
| 18:32.01 | javispedro | djszapi_: it is not due to "b0rked package integration" |
| 18:32.11 | pa | tomma, well, that's actually how it's done in hellogl_es2 |
| 18:32.17 | djszapi_ | javispedro: yes, it is. |
| 18:32.23 | pa | but in harmattan i get that error, and then shaders dont bind |
| 18:32.30 | javispedro | djszapi_: if his package ends up depending in libperl, how would you fix it by changing the autobuilder configuration? |
| 18:32.36 | javispedro | surprise me, because I just don't see it. |
| 18:32.45 | pa | and i found that comment in a qtmobility source, so i guess theres some bug somewhere in Harmattan |
| 18:33.22 | djszapi_ | javispedro: packaging perl, and not integrating? |
| 18:33.25 | tomma | pa, hellogl_es2 has QShaderProgram program1 and QShaderProgram program2 in GLWidget header |
| 18:33.48 | pa | hm.. not here.. |
| 18:33.51 | javispedro | djszapi_: packaging perl being the key act here. if you port perl to harmattan, then the problem disappears. |
| 18:34.01 | javispedro | which is what I suggested a few pages above. |
| 18:34.04 | djszapi_ | no |
| 18:34.05 | pa | ah yes |
| 18:34.16 | djszapi_ | you are clearly not a top packager for harmattan |
| 18:34.18 | pa | i try |
| 18:34.25 | djszapi_ | or have not spent enough time with c-obs |
| 18:34.32 | djszapi_ | or in general with packaging for any systems |
| 18:34.36 | djszapi_ | clashes are clashes |
| 18:34.40 | javispedro | djszapi_: thank you for another gratuitous comment about my quality as packager. |
| 18:35.08 | pa | tomma, but i have to have them in the header, otherwise how do i bind them in paintgl()? |
| 18:35.13 | djszapi_ | you are proposing integrating perl *AND* packaging |
| 18:35.19 | djszapi_ | so we will have two perl versions |
| 18:35.25 | djszapi_ | like I said in the very beginning |
| 18:35.29 | djszapi_ | instead of what I proposed |
| 18:35.37 | djszapi_ | to not integrate perl *at all* |
| 18:35.40 | javispedro | and they have to be binary compatible, because otherwise you'll break other in-device packages. |
| 18:35.46 | djszapi_ | we had tons of problems and headaches about clashes on Harmattan. |
| 18:36.00 | djszapi_ | you are still not getting... |
| 18:36.06 | djszapi_ | apparently I need to explain little detail... |
| 18:36.10 | djszapi_ | about packaging... |
| 18:36.14 | pa | ah right, pointers |
| 18:36.20 | pa | i try |
| 18:36.23 | djszapi_ | when you build your superfoo depending on perl, which perl will be used? |
| 18:36.32 | djszapi_ | which version |
| 18:36.35 | javispedro | djszapi_: when building, sdk's. |
| 18:36.37 | djszapi_ | etc |
| 18:36.42 | javispedro | djszapi_: when running, device's. |
| 18:36.43 | djszapi_ | ha ha ha |
| 18:36.48 | javispedro | sdk's might even be x86 perl. |
| 18:36.56 | javispedro | and not arm. |
| 18:36.59 | djszapi_ | so you build a package with different library than using |
| 18:37.00 | djszapi_ | HAHAHA |
| 18:37.11 | djszapi_ | just try it out, please. |
| 18:37.18 | djszapi_ | with different qt version in scratchbox |
| 18:37.21 | javispedro | EVERY SINGLE harmattan package even scratchbox's are built with different libraries than used |
| 18:37.22 | djszapi_ | what is on the device |
| 18:37.24 | djszapi_ | just try it out... |
| 18:37.27 | djszapi_ | I do not say more... |
| 18:37.29 | javispedro | THANKS to Nokia not releasing PR1.3 sdk. |
| 18:37.32 | djszapi_ | and come back. |
| 18:38.00 | djszapi_ | surely, you build an app with perl2 |
| 18:38.11 | djszapi_ | it will surely work with python3 |
| 18:38.14 | djszapi_ | python2* |
| 18:38.18 | djszapi_ | who dumbass we are. |
| 18:38.21 | djszapi_ | how* |
| 18:38.34 | djszapi_ | all the dependency versions should just work always |
| 18:38.40 | javispedro | that is an exaggeration |
| 18:38.41 | djszapi_ | it is that simple... |
| 18:38.49 | tomma | pa, http://pastebin.com/eL1bSpYN changes i made to it |
| 18:39.14 | tomma | and it worked in harmattan... apart from using widgets etc which make it pretty unusable but still worked |
| 18:39.15 | djszapi_ | not to mention tons of problems during the build like I mentioned zillion times |
| 18:39.22 | javispedro | djszapi_: no. sdk contains libqt from 2011. device contains libqt from 2012. unless you copied device's libqt to your computer any day (doubtful) |
| 18:39.26 | djszapi_ | even before just getting there to run. |
| 18:39.40 | javispedro | djszapi_: you have been building packages linked with 2011's libqt and running them on a device with 2012's libqt |
| 18:39.45 | djszapi_ | javispedro: try with newer Qt... |
| 18:39.46 | javispedro | djszapi_: and hell didn't break loose. |
| 18:39.47 | djszapi_ | you will see the problem |
| 18:40.02 | djszapi_ | and qt is really not the only dependency in the world... |
| 18:40.07 | javispedro | <javispedro> and they have to be binary compatible, because otherwise you'll break other in-device packages. |
| 18:40.16 | djszapi_ | we had *tons* of problem with different qt versions. |
| 18:40.20 | pa | tomma, i think theres also a mistake in the original code in the if(qtlogo) block around line 290 of glwidget.cpp |
| 18:40.21 | djszapi_ | while developing for Harmattan |
| 18:40.25 | pa | in the else |
| 18:40.46 | djszapi_ | so you are proposing a workflow of *heavy* pain of building and hefty runtime issues |
| 18:40.55 | djszapi_ | instead of me: proposing one library, and no issues at all. |
| 18:41.07 | djszapi_ | sorry, I am off... |
| 18:41.09 | javispedro | no, I'm proposing a workflow that has been used ever since the early maemo days and is proven to work. |
| 18:41.27 | djszapi_ | no it has not worked at all |
| 18:41.31 | djszapi_ | packagers could speak up |
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| 18:41.37 | javispedro | it has its own share of problems. |
| 18:41.39 | djszapi_ | I was cleaning up the redundancy for days |
| 18:41.47 | djszapi_ | when people complaint packages did not work |
| 18:41.50 | djszapi_ | due to the clashes |
| 18:41.51 | djszapi_ | even the building |
| 18:41.58 | djszapi_ | sure, the log also lies. :D |
| 18:42.05 | pa | tomma, yes now it's good :) many thanks! |
| 18:43.14 | djszapi_ | where were you when the problems occured? Now saying, they did not exist, just because you have not faced? |
| 18:43.14 | djszapi_ | just look through the log, it is all there. |
| 18:43.18 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
| 18:43.27 | javispedro | moo RST38h |
| 18:43.35 | djszapi_ | I really do not understand the point of discussion 1) Tons of build and runtime issues 2) No issues at all |
| 18:43.41 | djszapi_ | it does not need to be discussed more. |
| 18:43.53 | javispedro | djszapi_: "no issues at all" is false. |
| 18:44.08 | djszapi_ | we do not have any issues when there is no clashes |
| 18:44.10 | javispedro | djszapi_: besides, you still didn't propose the miraculous method that will prevent those issues. |
| 18:44.11 | djszapi_ | I can bravely say that. |
| 18:44.17 | djszapi_ | of course I did. |
| 18:44.19 | djszapi_ | tons of times |
| 18:44.28 | djszapi_ | just because you do not read, it does not mean I have not explained. |
| 18:44.39 | djszapi_ | others got it earlier. I am sure you would also be able, if you read. |
| 18:44.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | who opts for +q banning djszapi_ just for offensive arrogant speech? |
| 18:45.04 | djszapi_ | it is just matter of nobody doing the work to make this nice. |
| 18:45.27 | javispedro | because it's impossible. |
| 18:45.42 | djszapi_ | meh |
| 18:45.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh indeed |
| 18:45.50 | RST38h | ah, djszapi is off his meds again |
| 18:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsckng PITA |
| 18:46.16 | javispedro | so, let's change topic. |
| 18:46.26 | djszapi_ | yes, it is impossible to get perl packaged |
| 18:46.33 | djszapi_ | and then use that for everything |
| 18:46.46 | djszapi_ | we impossibly managed to put libraries into the community repository this way |
| 18:46.50 | djszapi_ | perhaps we dreamt |
| 18:46.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's impossible to push a rope |
| 18:46.55 | djszapi_ | and they are actually not there. |
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| 18:55.02 | pa | by the way, no one knows anything about this, right? https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTMOBILITY-1116?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel |
| 18:55.15 | pa | sorry if i bring this up every now and then :) |
| 18:55.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | djszapi_: next time you utter shit like ""[2012-08-17 20:23:56] <djszapi_> no, sorry, I do not have more time for this topic. I need to progress with my other tasks."" when somebody asks you to explain what you accuse others alegedly don't undertsand, and if you then go on arguing for another 20++ lines and still don't bother to actually *explain* but rather insult people, you earn a few days ban |
| 18:55.37 | pa | still didnt give up with the idea of having maps api offline |
| 18:56.06 | javispedro | pa: there's indeed a "undocumented" library for offline maps, but without headers et all it will be very hard to use |
| 18:56.27 | javispedro | pa: about the map plugin I have no idea.. |
| 18:56.42 | pa | undocumented library already in harmattan? |
| 18:56.57 | javispedro | yeah, it's the one the maps application itself uses |
| 18:57.02 | Mag-en00b | device:nokia n9. few days ago the package manager flipped and wouldnt install packages. i googled it up and it was suggested a few files should be removed and have the package manager re-create them. i did remove them and now my device says "can't install package, installation package not found" for everything i try to install from the nokia store |
| 18:57.04 | pa | ah! |
| 18:57.28 | pa | but yeah, no headers = no luck probably |
| 18:57.29 | Mag-en00b | is there a way to restore the firmware? "clear device" didnt work |
| 18:57.41 | djszapi_ | Mag-en00b: can you install packages manually? |
| 18:57.53 | Mag-en00b | haven't tried, don't know how to |
| 18:58.05 | djszapi_ | pa: you can always use 'nm' ;) |
| 18:58.13 | pa | heh |
| 18:58.17 | pa | i can try :p |
| 18:58.34 | javispedro | pa: also there's a QML wrapper for it, which might be easier to use. it's an interesting project if you have the time :) |
| 18:58.34 | djszapi_ | just joking.. speculating from symbols ... heh funny. :) |
| 18:58.55 | pa | is there a qml wrapper for the undocumented offline maps library? |
| 18:59.01 | pa | link? link? : )) |
| 18:59.03 | javispedro | pa: also undocumented of course =) |
| 18:59.14 | javispedro | the drive app uses it =) |
| 18:59.16 | Mag-en00b | i figured i could use navifirm and winflasher, but couldn't find downloadable firmware files for my n9's product code 059J6J3 |
| 18:59.18 | pa | well but qml is easier to read than binary files |
| 18:59.22 | pa | :) |
| 18:59.37 | djszapi_ | pa: except if it is used as resource :P |
| 18:59.48 | pa | so i should extract it rom the binary, right? |
| 18:59.57 | pa | jonny was saying it's pretty easy to do |
| 19:00.00 | pa | never done myself tho |
| 19:00.06 | pa | sorry |
| 19:00.09 | pa | jonni :p |
| 19:00.19 | javispedro | extracting qml from a binary? even GNU string will do that =) |
| 19:00.24 | Mag-en00b | anything i can do except haul my ass to nokia care for a simple reflash? i couldnt find nokia's official firmware restore guide. nokia just suggests to update the device via it's own menus |
| 19:00.55 | djszapi_ | Mag-en00b: have you tried to hack manually? |
| 19:00.55 | javispedro | Mag-en00b: there's a certain risk if you do the reflash by yourself if you mess with the version to flash |
| 19:01.03 | pa | this is definitely something i would spend my time with, yeah.. :) |
| 19:01.03 | djszapi_ | over ssh, pkgmgr etc? |
| 19:01.06 | djszapi_ | to see what is going on? |
| 19:01.10 | pa | i need offline maps ! |
| 19:01.22 | javispedro | pa: so, start by reading the maps & drive qml files ;) |
| 19:01.29 | javispedro | I'm interested too. |
| 19:01.44 | Mag-en00b | djszapi_: umm. not exactly sure what do you mean, but i think i haven't done anything special to the device |
| 19:01.51 | javispedro | pa: but note that from a license PoV it's dangerous as best, so be assured you won't get it published to nokia store |
| 19:01.58 | djszapi_ | Mag-en00b: are you a simple user or hacker? |
| 19:02.50 | Mag-en00b | never liked that term, but no, i'm not a basic user. i'm a programmer and know my way around |
| 19:03.05 | djszapi_ | Mag-en00b: try to install a package over ssh then. |
| 19:03.14 | pa | hm |
| 19:03.15 | ieatlint | it's better than cracker, which is just a racial slur |
| 19:03.16 | djszapi_ | with the developer mode enabled, and as a developer with devel-su etc |
| 19:03.27 | pa | well i dont care too much, my app is free anyway.. |
| 19:03.43 | pa | if nokia starts complaining, i''ll remove from the store |
| 19:03.56 | javispedro | pa: btw, cityscape app is qml too, so it's another source for information. |
| 19:04.00 | javispedro | (just brainstorming here) |
| 19:04.10 | pa | but cityscape is not offline |
| 19:04.16 | pa | right? |
| 19:04.17 | javispedro | the maps are :) |
| 19:04.21 | javispedro | the panorama isn't :( |
| 19:04.21 | pa | aha.. |
| 19:04.38 | pa | so i get the qml out with string? |
| 19:05.04 | pa | let see what is possible to do in half hour |
| 19:05.13 | Mag-en00b | djszapi_: enabling developer mode says "preparing for installation" and "can't install, installation package not found" |
| 19:05.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | fry and eat a steak |
| 19:05.20 | javispedro | pa: there are a bunch of .qml outside of the maps binary |
| 19:05.36 | djszapi_ | Mag-en00b: what have you done previously? |
| 19:05.58 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05++ |
| 19:05.58 | djszapi_ | have you tried to install something from the console with the pkgmgr, presumably a user package? |
| 19:06.38 | pa | javispedro, u mean /usr/bin/maps? |
| 19:06.49 | javispedro | pa: use dpkg -L to list files installed by a package |
| 19:07.07 | javispedro | pa: in any case you are doing nothing in half an hour, this is probably a project for a week or a month... |
| 19:07.31 | Mag-en00b | i fucked up. and just because i'm lazy. when i deleted the file to get over the last package installation problem and it didn't work, i also removed another file in that folder and i'm assuming it was some repository database... |
| 19:07.38 | pa | i will probably spend my weekend on it :) |
| 19:07.50 | djszapi_ | Mag-en00b: can you recall which files? |
| 19:08.03 | pa | yeah quite a lot of stuff in that pkg |
| 19:08.23 | pa | but i thought maps were meegotouch |
| 19:09.56 | pa | javispedro, and by the way cityscape.. you meant city lens? |
| 19:10.05 | javispedro | pa: no, cityscene |
| 19:10.12 | Mag-en00b | djszapi_: i'll try to look it up. the error message was too similar to this current one. just a moment |
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| 19:12.43 | pa | javispedro, i see that cityscene contains a dir called "maps-plugin" |
| 19:12.57 | Mag-en00b | djszapi_: it was these commands and i believe i removed the file besides sources.list.d directory as well https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1044#c5 |
| 19:13.02 | pa | with some libnqtnmaa inside |
| 19:13.57 | Mag-en00b | and the error message i was trying to tackle before was (not that it's of any use anymore, i believe): "Unable to start operation Refreshing cache. Please wait." |
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| 19:14.34 | pa | but no qml inside, so i guess it has been embedded via qrc |
| 19:16.02 | djszapi_ | Mag-en00b: if you have only deleted that file only from the console, and rebooted your phone, then it is weird. |
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| 19:17.13 | Mag-en00b | and then i tried to reset the device via the menu and (ofcourse, dumb me) it didn't restore the file, but it did remove my console and disable developer mode ._. |
| 19:17.56 | djszapi_ | have you tried to get the console from meecatalog? |
| 19:18.43 | Mag-en00b | *googles the name* it seems that's a program. i dont have it and i cannot install anything |
| 19:19.56 | Mag-en00b | i think it boils down to this question: can i flash file "DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM" to my device since my device says it's version is "PR1.3 (40.2012.21-3_PR_001)" |
| 19:19.58 | djszapi_ | yep, that is a program which is usually the first I download after a (re-)flash |
| 19:20.33 | djszapi_ | so you cannot switch to developer mode at all, can you |
| 19:20.51 | Mag-en00b | nope. clicking on it says the "searching..." "cannot install.." |
| 19:21.16 | Mag-en00b | do you know the software "navifirm"? |
| 19:23.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, it's the only source for firmware images |
| 19:23.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | another Nokia madness |
| 19:24.12 | djszapi_ | this is a weird breakage... I am unsure what you could do apart from reflesh. |
| 19:24.21 | djszapi_ | you had the latest public version? |
| 19:24.26 | djszapi_ | is it N950 or N9? |
| 19:24.31 | valdur55 | or from unoffical images file. |
| 19:24.57 | Mag-en00b | because it seems that in many variants only the emmc changes to include some things like country-specific maps or no maps at all. i'm assuming the part one they share could safely be flashed onto this device as well, Or do i have to flash emmc as well every time i flash? |
| 19:25.19 | Mag-en00b | n9 and latest public version that was updated via air |
| 19:25.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | Mag-en00b: the problem is flasher will check for version and signature, and not allow any downgrade (or what it thinks is a downgrade |
| 19:25.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
| 19:26.12 | Mag-en00b | what about same version onto same version? |
| 19:26.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | should work |
| 19:26.21 | valdur55 | Yes. It works |
| 19:26.47 | Mag-en00b | well here goes nothing :3 |
| 19:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | but be careful, even subvariants count as higher version |
| 19:27.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's the reason you can't go back to international from e.g. asian |
| 19:27.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | iirc |
| 19:27.59 | pa | by the way, is there a package containing all these? http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/all-examples.html |
| 19:28.02 | valdur55 | but it is possible to add 005 repos in other subversions |
| 19:28.45 | javispedro | pa: I don't think that's the case, but if you have scratchbox you can build each of them easily |
| 19:28.55 | javispedro | I built the mappingdemo yesterday =) |
| 19:29.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway >>i flash file "DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM" to my device since my device says it's version is "PR1.3 (40.2012.21-3_PR_001)"<< doesn't sound like a brilliant idea |
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| 19:29.46 | valdur55 | DocScrutinizer, why not? |
| 19:29.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | probably PR_LEGACY > PR_001 |
| 19:30.08 | javispedro | I am not sure of that |
| 19:30.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not go for any legacy shite anyway, sounds way too much like braqnding |
| 19:30.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | branding* |
| 19:30.52 | javispedro | I think I flashed legacy =) |
| 19:31.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | OEM1 even :-o |
| 19:31.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | quite sure some carrier specific image |
| 19:31.39 | pa | javispedro, no i mean a tarball with the sources, or a git repo |
| 19:31.45 | pa | they are not in the sedk |
| 19:31.47 | pa | sdk |
| 19:31.58 | javispedro | oh, now I will be useful. |
| 19:32.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehe |
| 19:32.31 | javispedro | pa: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/srcs/pool/free/q/qt-components/qt-components_1.3~git20120215-1+0m8.tar.gz |
| 19:32.42 | pa | aha! thanks : ))) |
| 19:32.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 19:32.57 | javispedro | :) |
| 19:33.12 | valdur55 | I used DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_005-OEM1-958_ARM.bin and got DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_005 |
| 19:33.12 | Mag-en00b | i've gotten the understanding that pr_legacy is something that people call "generic" (whatever it means) and the flasher (now that i remember to check it out) said that my phone was "DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_001", thus i think the filename maches pretty well. though the OEM1-958 part is unknown. but thing flashed and nicely asks settings on boot |
| 19:33.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | hands javispedro a candy |
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| 19:33.25 | pa | damn nx.. doesnt copy paste on linux |
| 19:33.36 | javispedro | pa: actually it's http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harm/srcs/pool/free/q/qt-mobility/qt-mobility_1.2.1+213+0m8.tar.gz |
| 19:33.39 | javispedro | my mistake =) |
| 19:33.48 | javispedro | (above was qt-components, not mobility) |
| 19:34.05 | javispedro | (meh, I ruined the moment :P) |
| 19:34.24 | pa | :D |
| 19:34.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | Mag-en00b: why don't you just flash the proper firmware rather than that OEM stuff? |
| 19:35.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, why didn't you... now it's too late anyway |
| 19:35.46 | valdur55 | DocScrutinizer, where can you download non OEM stuff? |
| 19:35.48 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: I think that all of the images are called legacy and OEM |
| 19:35.58 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer05: I only have the N950 one around atm and it says OEM1 for ex. |
| 19:36.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | javispedro: duh! |
| 19:36.06 | javispedro | and it clearly isn't =) |
| 19:36.32 | pa | hmmmm |
| 19:36.37 | valdur55 | flasher don't know anything about OEM, Legacy etc |
| 19:37.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders how much Nokia paid to the madhouse to get that update policy concept written for them |
| 19:37.07 | pa | javispedro, why in your tarball theres no QML Video Shader Effects ? |
| 19:37.25 | javispedro | pa: wha? |
| 19:37.29 | javispedro | what is that? |
| 19:37.32 | pa | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/all-examples.html |
| 19:37.38 | pa | in Multimedia |
| 19:38.09 | Mag-en00b | DocScrutinizer05: because i cannot find my model number from the list. but now i flashed and it worked fine. after restart the device identified under the winflasher as the same exact model as it was before. also settings -> about also says it's the same model |
| 19:38.28 | javispedro | pa: meh, seems you are right and qml examples are missing.. |
| 19:38.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, let's hope you're fine with it. I admit I haven't ever looked into that mess |
| 19:39.08 | pa | hmm |
| 19:39.17 | pa | there should be a git repo somewhere, right? |
| 19:39.36 | Mag-en00b | i'll report whether my store installations works now. hopefully it'll be of help to someone who searches these irc logs, if they are released |
| 19:39.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I felt a strange allergic reaction each time I touched the N9 after they came up with all that navifirm and no-downgrade mess |
| 19:40.29 | pa | i found some -examples-fixup |
| 19:40.33 | Mag-en00b | i'm all allergic to this "nokia openness" :c |
| 19:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | if I had paid for that coffin, I'd give it back and ask for my money |
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| 19:45.27 | pa | brb |
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| 20:06.12 | Mag-en00b | Yay! package installations work again, even after resetting the phone via menu. ^^ |
| 20:12.13 | djszapi_ | Mag-en00b: nice :) |
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| 20:30.18 | valdur55 | i will brick rdc device :P |
| 20:30.43 | valdur55 | apt-get purge meego* :) |
| 20:34.11 | valdur55 | Damn.. my reservation was ended :P |
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