IRC log for #harmattan on 20120726

00:01.26payep found :)
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01:22.41itsnotabigtruckqwazix: ...maybe
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01:29.18ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: is pr1.4 out?
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01:49.37merlin1991wtf building qt4-x11 for 3 hrs at the same qdoc3 step
01:49.57merlin1991qemu utilizing 99% of the system and seemingly nothing happens
01:54.53ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: i'm gonna try to update n9/50 kernel to 3.5, are you with me? =)
01:55.14merlin1991atm building pr1.2 sdk packages from source
01:55.48merlin1991because I want to build some controlpanel widgets, which in turn need libmeegotouch > pr1.1 which in turn needs qt4 > 1.1
01:56.43ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: hmm
01:57.34ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: waht version do you need?
01:57.54itsnotabigtruckZogG_laptop: lol
01:57.54ZogG_laptoplibmeegotouch-dev_0.22.12-1+0m6_armel.deb good enuf?
01:58.12ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: old jokes are like wine, only became better wth time =P
01:58.34ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: there are built packages, but i bet you need dependencies as well =)
01:59.06ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/free/libm/libmeegotouch/
01:59.06merlin1991I need >= 0.24.3
01:59.21ZogG_laptopoh
01:59.27ZogG_laptopthan it wouldn't help you
01:59.28merlin1991aka pr1.2
01:59.51ZogG_laptopi'm going to sleep =)
01:59.53ZogG_laptopnite
02:03.17merlin1991I've got the feeling, that this build is stuck
02:03.20merlin1991fuuuuu
02:03.42ZogG_laptoplol
02:04.16merlin1991file size of the dir isn't increasing :/
02:08.24ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: oh before i go i have a question
02:09.00ZogG_laptopitsnotabigtruck: do you think if CSSU we need to keep aegis and inception to make updates or open-mode?
02:09.54merlin1991ZogG_laptop: it's an either or thing
02:10.13merlin1991we keep aegis, and either make a new policy using inception, or the same using open-mode
02:10.17ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: what's better and whats easier
02:10.34merlin1991I'd say equal
02:10.37ZogG_laptopmerlin1991: as there are things we lose with open-mode actually
02:10.45merlin1991err what?
02:11.02merlin1991last time I ran open mode nothing was missing
02:11.06ZogG_laptopi think it was some passwords are not saved or something
02:11.18merlin1991that depends on how you deploy open mode
02:11.24merlin1991if you do it properly you miss nothing
02:11.26ZogG_laptopi don't remember as i never wanted to use open-mode anyway
02:11.51ZogG_laptopas well open-mode means to go back to pr1.2 for now as 1.3 source is not there yet afaik
02:12.27merlin1991there is a kernel for 1.3 open mode
02:12.30ZogG_laptopo =k friday i'll try to updgrade kernel and keep all nokia changes, we'll see if i have enuf knowledge and if it's possible
02:16.47itsnotabigtruckyeah, merlin's right
02:16.53itsnotabigtruckit would use one or the other
02:16.59itsnotabigtruckboth have some advantages
02:17.10itsnotabigtruckopen mode would make it possible to improve the kernel
02:17.21itsnotabigtruckwithout some extreme hackage, anyway
02:17.45itsnotabigtruckclosed mode would make device lock and all that stuff just work
02:17.50itsnotabigtruckand in general make the whole thing a lot simpler
03:23.03MohammadAGhttps://gitorious.org/qtbook/sociality-mtf/commit/b5757edd073de5789e44223b83a4f533e8475a9b wohoo
03:24.50merlin1991hm still running the same shit
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07:13.10chem|stgrmlfsck! bootstate normal bootreason pwr_key... I think gsm module is restarting and not the device (this time), it is asking me for PIN code in the morning eery now and then
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07:17.49DocScrutinizer06I'd think for HARM there's more benefit in a hacker edition than in a CSSU
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07:18.58DocScrutinizer06since HARM could use a major system overhaul to kick out aegis stuff for good
07:20.55DocScrutinizer06there's still nobody who explained to me the user's benefit in forbidding installation of certain stuff from other than OVI source
07:21.57DocScrutinizer06I mean, fine! öet OVI check packages for any rogue stuff, I wouldn't expect any malware in OVIstore anyway. No matter if it comes with a manifest and cert or not
07:22.01deramthey probably fear troyans
07:22.18DocScrutinizer06s/öet/let/
07:23.42DocScrutinizer06but form a *user* perspective I still fail to see aegis benefit, no matter how much some others here say "DUH! but it's a nice security thing for user!"
07:24.27DocScrutinizer06nothing I couldn't do on a regular *nix system, with regular proper user permissions
07:24.31DocScrutinizer06and groups
07:25.41DocScrutinizer06and probably now somebody kicks in and claims "but they cracked some HTTP server! This proves admins are idiots and unix permissions don't suffice" and I'll go "MEH!" again
07:27.25DocScrutinizer06since that "rationale" only proves one thing: said person might have some ideas about how to implement a chain-of-trust based framework ala TC, but they have NO CLUE about system administration
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07:27.58PaliDocScrutinizer06, do you know some case for n950 (like cp-408 for n900)?
07:28.17DocScrutinizer06nope
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07:52.22kairoscraziahello
07:53.13kairoscraziaI've got a silly question, downgrade is disallowed by nolo, nokia provide sources for nolo? if not why noone was never interested on figuring how to downgrade?
07:57.28Paliwhat about nandwrite in open mode?
08:00.02kairoscraziaif i can recall it right in open mode on pr1.2 flashing files is disabled
08:00.11kairoscraziaw/o certs
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08:24.52kozzi~log
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08:27.50Palikairoscrazia, but you have access to /dev/mtd* in open mode
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08:34.05DocScrutinizer06logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/
08:34.58DocScrutinizer06Pali: aiui read-only though
08:35.04DocScrutinizer06at least CAL
08:36.08Paliand nolo? cannot be replaced via nandwrite from open mode?
08:36.43Palior is /dev/mtd locked for write from open mode?
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09:04.19DocScrutinizer51Pali: NOLO needs signature
09:04.46DocScrutinizer51but it might be downgrade'able
09:05.36DocScrutinizer51not sure which /dev/mtd* are locked and which aren't
09:05.43PaliI think that if I copy (nanddump) nolo from (<< PR1.2) it should contains full bootable code with signature
09:05.54Paliso this code should be bootable always by omap HW
09:06.32Palimaybe writing to /dev/mtd<NOLO> is disabled in kernel, but this can be fixed in open kernel
09:07.06DocScrutinizer51unless it checks for compliance with version of cmt fw, yes
09:07.31Paliin n900 kernel it is locked by kernel, /dev/mtd<bootloader> is marked as readonly
09:07.41DocScrutinizer51and no, the problem is it's locked in openmode
09:08.00DocScrutinizer51allegedly
09:08.09Palimaybe same readonly flag in kernel
09:08.18Paliwhich can be fixed by recompiling kernel
09:08.54DocScrutinizer51you're free to test with 1.2 kernel at least
09:09.40DocScrutinizer51I thought same but others who should know stated it probably is on hw level
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09:10.48Palisee n900 kernel: https://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-rx51-peripherals.c;h=df2534de3361d5b9c2317db5cec7222e5993d2fb;hb=HEAD#l1074
09:11.01Pali"bootloader" /* Force read-only */
09:11.21DocScrutinizer51meh, for sure not now, on N900
09:11.51DocScrutinizer51rather I'm afk now - work
09:11.57DocScrutinizer51:-(
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09:23.16jonnibootloader nand is locked in lower level, there is noway to switch that bit from custom kernel.
09:27.11jonnionly way for you to get bootloader as rw is to get your custom kernel signed by nokia master key in certsw. And that isnt going to happen.
09:31.20jonnior actually you need to get your custom nolo signed, its not enough to even get the kernel signed :)
09:35.16whatsais that possible to dump bootloader's code?
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09:36.13jonniwell yes you can dump nolo partition since its readonly, so you can do binary analysis to it and decompilation.
09:38.48jonniso if your fluent in reading obscure assembly dumps then you can have fun trying to figure it out :)
09:40.06whatsa:)
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09:43.08jonnilast year I spend few days reading nolo source codes, it was pretty interesting piece of code :)
09:49.27whatsaugh, usual users aren't that lucky :) I hate arm assembly...
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10:01.47Palijonni, did you had access to nolo source code & master key?
10:05.17jonniPali: heh, no, only sources, nobody has access to master key for obvious reasons, and only a very few selected people have access to signing servers.
10:06.57Palitry to remember some security holes in nolo sources :D
10:07.11Palijonni, did you also see n900 x-loader/nolo sources?
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10:17.31khertanMorning
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10:59.45ZogG_laptopkhertan: morning
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11:02.17ZogG_laptopfaenil: Hurrian morning
11:02.25faenilhey :)
11:02.37ZogG_laptopfaenil: so OBS today?
11:02.45HurrianZogG_laptop, evening ;)
11:03.00faenilZogG_laptop, when alterego feels like it :)
11:04.30ZogG_laptopfaenil: may you do some howto in case i miss it
11:04.46ZogG_laptopMohammadAG:
11:04.52faenilZogG_laptop, I think reading the log is the best thing, but yes I can help you ;)
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11:26.22khertanWouhou ! PyPackager now support creation of manifest and digsigsums for aegis
11:26.33khertanpypackager code is really crappy
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11:26.41khertani really need to refactor it one day
11:28.22khertandpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: aegis-builder (>= 1.4)
11:28.22khertandpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
11:28.23khertanouch
11:34.17ZogG_laptop=P
11:40.34chem|stZogG_laptop: did qwazix miss to commit pcam?
11:41.08ZogG_laptopchem|st: ?
11:41.20chem|stHurrian: one of the meego error handling guys had the device before me
11:41.31Hurrianchem|st, explains a lot
11:41.45Hurriandid he ask for it back?
11:41.50chem|stZogG_laptop: ehrm am I talking about the wrong guy? rawcam...
11:42.03chem|stHurrian: I did not tell him anything yet
11:42.37chem|stZogG_laptop: I thought the issues with OBS got fixed but there was nothing new to test...
11:42.49ZogG_laptopchem|st: i got it, i just didn't understand what commit you talking about exactly. i pushed to harmattan repo the changes he needed to work with qtcreator and OBS
11:43.12ZogG_laptopchem|st: it was fixed, there is build in my repo that works
11:43.28ZogG_laptopchem|st: did he released new version?
11:43.32chem|stso not in rzr yet?
11:43.36chem|stno
11:44.01merlin1991hm qt is still at the same step
11:44.05merlin1991something is wrong here
11:44.23chem|stmerlin1991: waiting for 5.x?
11:44.31merlin1991but I need this :D
11:44.43chem|stor building something and it hangs?
11:44.57merlin1991yep building qt4 and it hangs
11:45.15rzrchem|st, its on my list
11:45.32ZogG_laptopchem|st: rzr build it other way
11:45.33rzrbut the message about downgrade incompatibility scared me :)
11:45.35chem|strzr: o/
11:45.45ZogG_laptopchem|st: just download it and install it
11:45.56chem|strzr: I was just wondering as he said he will push it the next day
11:46.05rzrping me later i will rebuild
11:46.20rzrchem|st, u can install sudo on my repo too
11:46.24ZogG_laptoprzr: you can rebuild the way i did. it works with no permission issues
11:46.28rzrbut donno how safe we are going
11:46.29chem|strzr: what downgrade incompatibility?
11:46.36rzrhe reported about that
11:46.43rzrZogG_laptop, using qtcreator ?
11:46.53rzri will use obs and sb
11:47.14ZogG_laptoprzr: nope. i use qtcreators dir to make debian dir with control file i stoled from you =)
11:47.41rzrcan we talk about this in 4 or 5 hours ?
11:48.28ZogG_laptoprzr: i commited to harmattan repo script generate-obs-source it copies qtc_packaging/harmattan_debian to debian and uncomments all OBS only related stuff
11:48.33ZogG_laptoprzr: sure
11:48.40rzrlater
11:49.06ZogG_laptoprzr: i think it's the best way to do, and i want to explain to you, so next time you help people we go with single debian dir =P
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12:32.02patehdely, ping?
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12:53.50khertandpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: aegis-builder
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13:00.50ZogG_laptopkhertan: it is there
13:01.05khertanhum ... didn't understand what i m doing wrong here
13:01.13khertanthx for the answer ZogG_laptop
13:01.50ZogG_laptopkhertan: $ grep aegis control  libmdatauri-dev, aegis-builder
13:04.09ZogG_laptopkhertan: what are you trying to build
13:04.10khertan?
13:04.16ZogG_laptopkhertan: i may try to help you
13:04.18khertanPyPackager
13:04.27khertanZogG_laptop: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=PyPackager&project=home%3Akhertan&repository=Harmattan
13:04.39khertani'm trying to add aegis support to PyPackager
13:04.41khertan;)
13:05.25ZogG_laptopkhertan: show me the source
13:06.35khertanhum ... be carreful you could lose an eye
13:06.47ZogG_laptopkhertan: or two
13:07.42khertanhttps://github.com/khertan/PyPackager
13:07.47khertanor two indeed
13:07.48khertan:)
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13:09.27ZogG_laptopkhertan: Depends="python2.5, python2.5-hildon, python2.5-gtk2", ?
13:09.52ZogG_laptopkhertan: where is other dependencies?
13:10.59khertanZogG_laptop: aegis is in build depends
13:11.20khertanyep indeed hildon isn't necessary anymore
13:11.21khertan:)
13:11.22khertanthx
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13:12.07Arkenoidamn. i see how i can add a certificate, but no way to remove a certificate!
13:12.26ZogG_laptopkhertan: can't find aegis there, you missed it?
13:12.43khertanZogG_laptop: where did you found python2.5-hildon dependances ?
13:13.07ZogG_laptopkhertan: https://github.com/khertan/PyPackager/blob/master/pypackager/ppkg_debfile.py#L375
13:13.13ZogG_laptopkhertan: link me to aegis
13:14.02khertanah this is just a test
13:14.07khertani should remove this old code
13:14.15khertan(and refine all this tools :)
13:14.17khertancrappy code
13:14.43khertanZogG_laptop: https://github.com/khertan/PyPackager/blob/master/pypackager/__init__.py#L404
13:14.45ZogG_laptopkhertan: add aegis-builder there
13:15.26ZogG_laptopkhertan: can you try to run it and show the control?
13:15.31khertanbut ... it s a build depends, not depends
13:15.33khertanyep of course
13:16.32ZogG_laptopkhertan: it's in Build-Depends:
13:17.04Arkenoihey what about certificate, maybe there is a command line tool to manage it?
13:17.28khertanZogG_laptop: http://pastebin.com/m7DLENjr
13:17.54khertanZogG_laptop: yeah of course it s in build-depends ... this is where it should be
13:18.06khertanas it s for building the package
13:18.28ZogG_laptopis happy that he fkuced with building his app to OBS
13:18.42khertanah
13:18.52ZogG_laptopkhertan: try to add pkg-config, thought it seems ok
13:19.00khertanyou mean build-depends isn't working as it should
13:19.02khertan?
13:19.40ZogG_laptopkhertan: and update maybe debhelper (>= 5) to 7. i have debhelper (>= 8.0.0)
13:20.44gabriel9|workdoes gtalk works on your devices?
13:20.52khertandebhelper 5 is available on maemo ?
13:20.57khertani mean fremantle
13:20.59ZogG_laptopgabriel9|work: it worked last time i checked back at pr1.2
13:21.23ZogG_laptopkhertan: no idea, i only package for harmattan
13:21.29gabriel9|worki get network error
13:21.30khertan:)
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13:22.23khertanZogG_laptop: it s take me less time to create a tool that mimic aegis-builder on device than using the existing one on obs :)
13:23.04ZogG_laptopkhertan: just try what i said
13:23.42khertanZogG_laptop: i'm trying ;)
13:24.14ZogG_laptopkhertan: use  debhelper (>= 7), pkg-config,  aegis-builder
13:26.24ZogG_laptopkhertan: i can play with it. how do you prepare dsc and tar.gz
13:26.30ZogG_laptopor you use it for other package?
13:27.10khertanZogG_laptop: i prepare with running python make.py
13:27.11khertan:)
13:27.19khertanit s a self building tool :)
13:27.53ZogG_laptopkhertan: you build it or other package with it
13:28.07ZogG_laptopis noob at python, but it's good chance to learn
13:28.30khertani build it
13:28.38khertanonce it s ok i ll build other packages :)
13:29.12ZogG_laptopkhertan: ok
13:29.31ZogG_laptopi'll fork your repo and try to find the ritual dance to build it
13:29.41ZogG_laptopyou know it's hard to please OBS god =)
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13:31.30khertan:)
13:31.59khertanZogG_laptop: pkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: pkg-config aegis-builder
13:32.06khertanarf
13:32.38khertanZogG_laptop: what is your obs pseudo
13:32.44khertanand the package which use obs
13:32.49khertani ll take a look at it
13:32.54khertansee what i miss
13:35.56ZogG_laptopkhertan: https://github.com/funkycode/imgrup/tree/master/qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan
13:36.42ZogG_laptopkhertan: the generate-obs-source copy it to /debian and uncomment ##OBS lines
13:36.51ZogG_laptopkhertan: btw can you paste rule file?
13:36.56ZogG_laptoprules*
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13:39.10ZogG_laptopSpeedEvil: where is TabletEvil?
13:40.37ZogG_laptopkhertan: http://bpaste.net/show/BbICsEOoNF5534YWqEbk/
13:43.14khertanZogG_laptop: http://pastebin.com/gasyd6C9
13:43.48khertanZogG_laptop: yep launch it with 'python make.py'
13:43.52khertannot ./make.py
13:43.56khertani should fix that too :)
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13:44.38ZogG_laptopkhertan: same error
13:44.52khertanuh
13:45.06khertanah ...
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13:45.19khertanof course the build script is path dependant
13:45.31khertanlook inside the make.py script
13:45.48khertanthere is a line with /home/user/MyDocs/Projects/PyPackager
13:45.54khertanchange it to your path
13:46.06khertani should remove that too ;)
13:46.10khertannot really clean
13:47.22Arkenoidamn. is there a way to export certificate from the storage at least? why is it all that overcomplicated?
13:48.23Corsachmhm, how do I select some text in Fenix?
13:48.47khertanZogG_laptop: you can checkout from git repo ... i fixed the path in the make.py
13:48.48khertan:)
13:49.11khertanZogG_laptop: thx i ve forgot that it s could be a problem too :)
13:50.28ZogG_laptopkhertan: btw how do i make the fork to be updated with original?
13:50.36ZogG_laptopnever got a chance to do it
13:51.15khertanhum ... good question :)
13:52.28khertanZogG_laptop: https://github.com/MarkUsProject/Markus/wiki/Gitkeepingpace
13:52.29khertan:)
13:52.55khertani really should create a git cheatsheet
13:53.39ZogG_laptopkhertan: that's what i though
13:53.51ZogG_laptopkhertan: we just needto use it more =)
13:54.28ZogG_laptopkhertan: i think you should make clone to harmattan organization and merge both ways with yours, that way both can use it =)
13:56.00khertanZogG_laptop: i ve started to do that with KhtNotes
13:56.01khertan:)
13:56.11khertanother repo i use will follow
13:57.00ZogG_laptopkhertan: just both to .git/config
13:57.38khertan~/MyDocs/Projects/PyPackager $ cat ../KhtNotes/.git/config
13:57.39khertan[core]
13:57.39khertan<PROTECTED>
13:57.39khertan<PROTECTED>
13:57.39khertan<PROTECTED>
13:57.39khertan<PROTECTED>
13:57.39khertan<PROTECTED>
13:57.41khertan<PROTECTED>
13:57.41khertan[remote "origin"]
13:57.41khertan<PROTECTED>
13:57.41khertan<PROTECTED>
13:57.42khertan<PROTECTED>
13:57.42khertan[branch "master"]
13:57.43khertan<PROTECTED>
13:57.57ZogG_laptopkhertan: nope
13:58.21ZogG_laptopkhertan: git remote add harmattan url = git@github.com:harmattan/KhtNotes.git
13:58.24ZogG_laptopoops
13:58.27ZogG_laptopwithout url
13:58.43ZogG_laptop/s/without url/without url =/
13:58.45khertanthe result is the same :) it put the url in remote :)
13:59.00ZogG_laptopkhertan: yes but it updates both at the same time
13:59.16ZogG_laptopyou want to test in your repo and merge to harmattan only stable or oposite
13:59.46khertanah ... yep indeed
13:59.48ZogG_laptopand if i push changes to harmattan it would differ from your and it would make mess
13:59.59Arkenoiand seems that i found a reason why i cannot connect to my wifi: i was unable to import my root certificate. it says it is imported, but it never appears on the list
14:00.15ZogG_laptopArkenoi: open-mode
14:00.17ZogG_laptop?
14:00.29Arkenoinope
14:01.40khertanand yes, true, probably better to push only stable to harmattan
14:02.01ZogG_laptopkhertan: or we can make dev branch
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14:03.32khertanZogG_laptop: also :)
14:06.21khertanZogG_laptop: ok ... putting aegis-builder in depends and removing it from build-depends look like working
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14:07.32khertanZogG_laptop: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=PyPackager&project=home%3Akhertan&repository=Harmattan
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14:09.31khertanbut i didn't see any reference to aegis after builddep
14:09.35khertanbuilddeb
14:10.32khertanmy rules seems incorrect
14:13.56ZogG_laptopkhertan: yes i think so too. but i need to play around more
14:14.08ZogG_laptopas i don't know python almost at all
14:16.56khertan:)
14:17.16khertanand because the code is really crappy :) u can say it :)
14:18.24ZogG_laptopi can't as i don't know python
14:18.35ZogG_laptopi can understand parts here and there
14:31.13pahow important is that an app is robust, to participate to the coding competition/community award?
14:31.29paand, am i still in time to submit mine?
14:31.35ZogG_laptopkhertan: lemme finish last episode of office i have
14:31.49ZogG_laptoppa: i think you can submit , but CA is over
14:31.55paah
14:32.02pawasnt it till mid august?
14:32.06ZogG_laptoppa: there is new dev entery i think, check wiki
14:32.18ZogG_laptoppa: CA devices were sent already =)
14:32.35pashit... i'd really need an n9, as i got one stolen
14:32.41paso no devices are left?
14:33.05khertanthe best way next time ... try to be in the council
14:33.07khertan.... ... ...
14:33.08khertan:)
14:33.57pain any case, to participate i just have to post my app on tmo?
14:34.10khertanand the wiki
14:34.18paand the wiki...
14:34.21pahm
14:34.22pawiki
14:34.45khertanand when site web is ready
14:34.47pawell, i'll finish it, and ask again,as im not sure what wiki :)
14:34.53khertanon the wiki web site
14:34.59khertanwiki.maemo.org
14:35.08khertanread the rule
14:35.10pai just hope i dont have to use the opem build syustem
14:35.22khertanhaha why ?
14:35.31pait's scary
14:35.46khertanit s easy to use ... once you don't play with aegis file :)
14:35.54Arkenoitries to figure out wtf is it: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vcun2S0t8o0/UBFQ5Hy4I7I/AAAAAAAAAbM/D_u5V1o4giI/s0-d/Screen_26-Jul-12_18-14-01.png and i cannot even delete it! fuck harmattan "security"!
14:35.55khertanare you coding in python ?
14:36.16pano, c++ , but i had to add somethings on the manifest
14:36.37khertanArkenoi: what 's the problem with this certs ?
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14:37.04Arkenoikhertan, looks very suspicious for me -- but i cannot export it, cannot see any details and cannot delete it!
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14:37.26Arkenoibecause harmattan uses some weird stuff to store certificates instead of generic wat
14:37.27Arkenoiway
14:37.37Arkenoicrap
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14:42.08khertanArkenoi: it s a certificate for the m.google.com domain which is used for exchange
14:42.59Arkenoikhertan, yes. but HOW can i see if it is authenitc if i cannot even export it? And if it is not i cannot remove it? Damn
14:44.09khertanArkenoi: fingerprint is ok
14:44.21khertanhttp://www.digicert.com/help/
14:44.21khertanenter domain m.google.com
14:44.31khertanand verify SHA1 Thumbprint = 09120783020C90473B4F058282BFBC1C3478DB0A
14:44.40khertanwith what you have on your screen
14:44.43khertan:)
14:44.51ZogG_laptopArkenoi: what version you have
14:45.49Arkenoihmm
14:46.10Arkenoithen why damn n950 a) imported it as separate one and b) does not show issuer name?
14:46.16ArkenoiZogG_laptop, pr1.2
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14:47.44Arkenoibtw that's funny, openssl s_client -showcert gives a different certificate for me
14:47.52Arkenoimust be host name extension
14:47.58khertan:)
14:48.35ZogG_laptopArkenoi: pr1.2beta
14:48.54ZogG_laptopArkenoi: i think there was certificate bug that was fixed in pr1.3
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14:52.06HtheBsup
14:53.58ZogG_laptopsup sup
14:54.03ZogG_laptopyo dog :P
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15:03.12ArkenoiZogG_laptop, i wonder if i am going to ever see pr1.3 if it does not imply visiting Nokia office and asking for inofficial updates
15:04.29khertanArkenoi: what will be the point to visit Nokia office ? there isn't any MeeGo devel :)
15:05.06khertanso do not hope any n950 pr1.3 nor n9 pr1.4
15:05.49HtheBZogG_laptop, sup
15:05.53HtheB:p
15:09.16Arkenoikhertan, but there are some guys who get internal releases and may share if you ask them kindly :-)
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15:17.23ZogG_laptopArkenoi: i don't think we gonna get, hoping for CSSU
15:17.30ZogG_laptopHtheB: nothing, you?
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15:19.05DrGrovSorry, probably wrong channel but I tend to ask anyhow. Please redirect me to the appropriate channel if I am OT. Does anyone got any info about the company Jolla making the new MeeGo phone? I have had problems finding any good reliable information.
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15:19.51ArkenoiZogG_laptop, it is said there is internal release already, so it is question of getting it public, not development
15:20.32ZogG_laptopArkenoi: i know and i want it, but i want a lot of things
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15:29.07HtheBZogG_laptop, having chill time on my vacation
15:31.05ZogG_laptopkhertan: i'm here
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15:32.00khertani ll go on ... in few minutes :)
15:32.13HtheBMohammadAG, is there a way to pack pr13 for n950?
15:32.44HtheBrepack pre pr12 with pr13 stuff in it
15:33.20ZogG_laptopkhertan: i'm finally free
15:33.26ZogG_laptopkhertan: gonna check soon
15:34.00MohammadAGPressure Nokia to release it instead
15:34.01MohammadAGIt's out internally
15:34.07MohammadAGOne only needs a link/lea
15:34.09MohammadAGLeak
15:34.37HtheB:(
15:34.38ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: there are people who have pr1.3 sources as well, sooo?
15:35.05khertanmust go on ...
15:35.07khertanbye all
15:35.21MohammadAGZogG_laptop: Aegis
15:35.28HtheBto all users with pr13 on n950, please ''leak'' it for everybody...
15:35.32MohammadAGSigned keenels
15:35.46MohammadAGUsers used repo upgrade methods
15:35.55MohammadAGOnly inside Nokians have it
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15:36.16ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: no, i mean source of closed sources =P
15:36.25HtheBwas qgill not a nokian
15:37.02MohammadAGZogG_laptop: Well, I'm pretty sure nokians have that too obviously
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15:37.36ZogG_laptopMohammadAG: there is guy in this exact channel who has it =) but he wouldn't leak, but ready to help if needed btw
15:37.38HtheBMohammadAG, im sure some people who left nokia just copied the sources
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15:38.06MohammadAGjonni has the image
15:38.43HtheBwhats the problem with not releasing it anyway? :/
15:38.51HtheB(and i mean the image)
15:44.25ZogG_laptopbeford: hey my man
15:44.47ZogG_laptopsays sorry to bringing it up and looks at alterego =P
15:49.17befordhola ZogG_laptop
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16:06.26Palihi, is FM receiver and transmitter working on n950?
16:06.57PaliI read that there were some hw problems, but what is current state?
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16:20.32GeneralAntillesPali, it has no antenna.
16:33.05japhrec you can fix yourself transmit is harder :(
16:42.46kozziis there really no way of using n9's offline map data in 3rd party apps?
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16:47.31MilhouseTwitter seems to have fallen on it's arse - thought it was a problem with my device but web down too
16:48.15rzrMilhouse, let me invite you to identi.ca :)
16:48.56MilhouseIs there a client for the N9/N950? :)
16:49.02rzryes
16:49.03rzrthere is
16:49.09rzrcheck for statusnet
16:49.24Milhouseooh... why is identi.ca better than twitter?
16:49.42rzrthat one is freesoftware
16:49.48rzrand you own your posts
16:50.03Milhousek, and is it invite only?
16:50.05rzrand you can run your own server too
16:50.14rzrMilhouse, i guess its public too
16:50.26Milhouseok found the register link
16:50.31Milhousewill take a look, thanks
16:50.32rzrand you can connect to also xpost to other unfree platforms
16:50.39rzrit worth a try
16:51.03rzrjoin http://identi.ca/group/n950club
16:51.11Milhouseokey dokey
16:51.17Palijaph, how to fix receiver?
16:51.24Milhouse@rzr: thanks
16:55.52ElleoMilhouse: http://store.ovi.com/content/271186 <-- is an identi.ca client
16:56.23rzrsame one
16:56.58Elleothere's also yaics but it's not in the store
16:57.28Elleohttp://www.sjoberg.fi/mats/blog/yaics/
16:57.46Elleothat doesn't integrate with the events view though
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16:59.53Milhouse@Elleo: Thanks
17:00.25MilhouseStatusNet integrates with event view?
17:00.38Elleothe statustnet for meego client does, yeah
17:00.45MilhouseAh, I see it says it does in the description... :)
17:00.57Elleoyou need to restart the phone before it takes effect though
17:01.07Elleodue to events plugins only getting loaded at startup
17:01.16Milhousek
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17:12.56rzrhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85712 ... return of the living dead
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17:27.31Milhouseas much as we'd all like to believe it, that just ain't gonna happen
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17:29.28pacan i click a label in qml?
17:29.39palike can i specify something like "onClicked"?
17:29.42ieatlintif you put a mousearea on it
17:29.48paah right
17:29.50pamousearea
17:29.51pathanks
17:30.12ieatlintLabel { MouseArea { anchors.fill: parent; onClicked: console.log( "clicked!" ); } }
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17:33.29qwazixgregale??
17:34.29qwazixI like old maemo but... gregale? really? who wrote that thing?
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18:03.40saidinesh5hey fellows
18:03.51saidinesh5i was wondering if anyone could suggest me a good app name
18:03.58saidinesh5for a port of elFinder to N9
18:04.31saidinesh5elFinder.org
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18:30.13paand also another thing:
18:30.28pahow can i somehow "store" a qbluethoothdeviceinfo?
18:30.37paso that i dont have to re-discover it every time
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19:45.22piggzdoes anyone know if mfe to google has a limit on how far in the future events will sync? seems to me like onle 5-6 weeks
19:47.25paitsnotabigtruck, ping?
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19:56.57paits a bit funny to see the contents of .config :)
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21:17.02chem|strzr: how is it going?
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22:19.13DocScrutinizer05check out appguard (ex google store) - that'S the way things are supposed to work
22:19.50DocScrutinizer05and you definitely don't need aegis for that
22:20.39DocScrutinizer05still thinks of a slightly patched antivir scanner to implement 98% of what appguard does
22:21.36ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: are you talking about subject you said you gonna kick for when people talk =P
22:21.50DocScrutinizer05100% self-reliant (maybe modulo the signatures for spotting rogue code)
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22:24.14ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer: =*
22:25.35ZogG_laptopbtw to apply app to appstore do i need to povide source?
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22:30.08ZogG_laptopauser: test passed
22:30.21auserhuh?
22:31.39auserZogG_laptop, which tests are you referring to
22:32.03arceanMohammadAG, I've updated ledapplet, sources are in repo :)
22:32.48ZogG_laptopauser: auser ~test@
22:32.54ZogG_laptoparcean: sup maaan
22:33.15arceanZogG_laptop, good, and you? :)
22:33.35auserZogG_laptop, aha ... i dont know about that... i wasn't testing anything
22:33.47ZogG_laptoparcean: good too
22:35.15arceanZogG_laptop, I'm going to install imgrup :D
22:41.42ZogG_laptoparcean: i would like for QA review on apps4meego =P
22:42.08arceanno problem :D
22:42.51arceanZogG_laptop, congrats for the application :)
22:43.31heymasterZogG_laptop: you wrote app for contest ?
22:43.39heymaster:)
22:45.06heymasterI'm so lazy to code with cpp after objc
22:45.08heymaster:)
22:56.02ZogG_laptopheymaster: nope
22:56.10ZogG_laptoparcean: it's half done
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23:46.45ZogG_laptopbeford: sup man
23:47.32ZogG_laptopheymaster: how is your app going?
23:50.30befordhey ZogG_laptop
23:50.39befordnot much, college starts next week :/
23:51.15heymasterZogG_laptop: thinking tomorrow write code. Only ListView and insert screen. Now good weather wants to be near the sea.
23:51.56befordZogG_laptop: checking the stats for scrobbler, almost 1k downloads =)
23:52.01ZogG_laptopheymaster: where do you leave?
23:52.10ZogG_laptoplive*
23:52.22ZogG_laptopbeford: i have only 700=
23:52.24ZogG_laptop+
23:52.36heymasterZogG_laptop: "leave" ?
23:52.56ZogG_laptop766
23:52.59ZogG_laptopheymaster: live*
23:53.25beford906
23:53.30heymasterZogG_laptop: Lithuania :) if you know that country :)
23:53.39ZogG_laptopbeford: my app is useless =)
23:53.51ZogG_laptopheymaster: yes i do
23:54.45ZogG_laptopheymaster: i was born in russia actually
23:54.46befordhah its not, I used it the other day at market to ask my gf what she wanted me to buy with pictures :P
23:55.11heymasterZogG_laptop: :)
23:56.02ZogG_laptopbeford: is she hot?
23:56.19ZogG_laptopif she is than it's not useless =P
23:56.29ZogG_laptopbeford: just joking =)
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23:58.54befordhaha yea
23:59.17befordI'm still thinking about participating in coding competition
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23:59.55ZogG_laptopbeford: any project started or in mind?

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