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| 07:12.42 | ZogG_N950 | ~update |
| 07:12.42 | infobot | update is, like, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 |
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| 07:19.45 | ZogG_N950 | ~update is http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/07/11/nokia-n9-software-update-pr1-3/ |
| 07:19.45 | infobot | ...but update is already something else... |
| 07:20.26 | ZogG_N950 | DocScrutinizer, how do u update those things^ |
| 07:20.42 | ZogG_N950 | infobot, forget update |
| 07:20.42 | infobot | ZogG_N950: i forgot update |
| 07:20.49 | ZogG_N950 | ~update is http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/07/11/nokia-n9-software-update-pr1-3/ |
| 07:20.49 | infobot | okay, ZogG_N950 |
| 07:20.54 | ZogG_N950 | yay |
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| 08:53.35 | valdur55 | Can i make sftp connection to computer? |
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| 09:01.28 | jabis | valdur55: ssh / scp works out of the box when developer mode is enabled |
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| 09:04.11 | ladoga | i mount N9's MyDocs on my laptop using sshfs |
| 09:04.19 | ladoga | works nicely |
| 09:06.04 | valdur55 | yea... this works |
| 09:06.29 | ladoga | disabled root login via ssh and enabled key based auth |
| 09:06.41 | valdur55 | but i want look computer filesystem with phone :) |
| 09:07.16 | ladoga | there's fuse and sshfs in rzrs repo i think |
| 09:07.46 | ladoga | i havent tried how it works on the phone though |
| 09:08.22 | ladoga | but if it works, then it's just the same only other way around |
| 09:09.12 | valdur55 | ok. sshf is solution but mount fails... |
| 09:09.33 | valdur55 | fusermount: mount failed: Operation not permitted :D |
| 09:10.58 | jonni | yep you need to be on all capa opensh which has the mount permission. |
| 09:11.14 | jonni | otherwise you get operation not permitted |
| 09:12.52 | valdur55 | even this fail.. |
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| 09:13.53 | Arkenoi | damn. my screen artifact grows :-( |
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| 09:16.31 | ZogG_laptop | Arkenoi: n950? |
| 09:17.16 | ZogG_laptop | valdur55: use inception and ariande sh |
| 09:19.17 | Arkenoi | ZogG, yep |
| 09:19.38 | Arkenoi | dead (black) pixels |
| 09:19.48 | Arkenoi | in stripes |
| 09:19.59 | valdur55 | oh damn.. ariande :D |
| 09:20.36 | valdur55 | oh got it :D |
| 09:23.40 | ZogG_laptop | it scares me |
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| 09:24.30 | valdur55 | why? |
| 09:34.31 | ieatlint | don't you just sometimes get that feeling to go shoot up an entire movie theatre watching batman? |
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| 09:36.37 | jabis | valdur55: inception adds needed permissions by setting the source of the packages to com.nokia.maemo/local thus elevating permissions not granted otherwise |
| 09:36.44 | jonni | AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN=com.nokia.maemo dpkg -i sshfs*deb; opensh -c "sshfs root@192.168.2.14:/ /mnt"; # worked for me just fine. But then again I have opensh 1.1 installed which enables AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN, things go a bit different with inception. |
| 09:38.04 | mankeli | jonni: is it possible to get permissions set for sshfs so that it can be run as regular user? |
| 09:38.39 | jonni | depends what you mean as regular user |
| 09:39.34 | dymaxion | wondering, does anyone have problems with the touchscreen - when the N9 is plugged into USB power, the screen laggs and fails to register drags and touches. Running top doesn't show anything maxing out CPU or anything strange... so must be something else.. anyone else have this prob? |
| 09:39.52 | mankeli | jonni: i mean that i can log in as "user" and do "sshfs mankeli@192.168.0.7:/home/mankeli/code /home/user/code" |
| 09:40.26 | jabis | incept the package |
| 09:40.35 | jabis | should be enough |
| 09:40.38 | mankeli | since developing is so much nicer with sshfs, i'd like to even make some gui for it |
| 09:41.00 | jonni | dymaxion: yes there has been some reported cases, that some cheap/bad wallchargers and maybe bad usb plugs, can cause electric interfarance which causes touch stop working while cable is attached |
| 09:41.04 | mankeli | jabis: i think it still requires to be devel-su root |
| 09:42.18 | jonni | mankeli: well if you tweak your aegis manifest file, then everything is possible, but with default package you need to use hacks. |
| 09:43.07 | dymaxion | jonni, so it sounds like it's bad earthing of the USB plugs, non branded. Unfortuantely I don't know where I put my original nokia one! So have purchased replacement (apple ones - copies) only 2USD in HK :-) oh well. |
| 09:43.51 | jonni | dymaxion: yep, you need to put few usb more on the table to get proper cable :) |
| 09:43.52 | mankeli | jonni: i think that even with regular linux installation, the sshfs has to be setuid root |
| 09:43.59 | jonni | USB even |
| 09:44.04 | mankeli | but you can override that with aegis manifest? |
| 09:44.36 | jonni | mankeli: you can add root uid to the manifest, so setuid still works |
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| 09:45.23 | mankeli | hmm i should try that |
| 09:45.43 | jonni | its only software so anything is possible. Some things just take a bit coding effort :) |
| 09:46.37 | jabis | perhaps a simple daemon running as root and then you latch into it? |
| 09:46.57 | jabis | a wrapper if you like |
| 09:48.28 | mankeli | hmm, perhaps perhaps |
| 09:48.41 | mankeli | of course i have to stab sshfs a bit to integrate it with gui |
| 09:48.53 | mankeli | dbus messages when connection drops etc |
| 09:49.57 | mankeli | its absolutely annoying when the level of integration is that the gui prog with just launch some executable and that's it |
| 09:50.02 | mankeli | like that btinput tool in store |
| 09:51.13 | mankeli | oops, i mean that it's annoying when the level of integration is that the gui prog just launches some executable and doesn't get any feedback from that |
| 09:52.59 | jabis | true dat |
| 09:53.35 | jabis | but nice that someone bothered to bring at least a working bt kbd driver to the table |
| 09:55.55 | mankeli | well i have ideas for that too. the hidd could capture some key combinations and send commands to X11 to change windows |
| 09:57.27 | mankeli | and currently it just talks to the hid device, and sends those keys thru uinput. but i think firefox (for example) doesn't accept input that way |
| 09:58.16 | mankeli | and of course vkb keeps popping up. so maybe there could be some maliit plugin for that |
| 09:58.36 | valdur55 | damn.. i will make alias for apt-get install -d package && incept -i package :) |
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| 10:03.31 | valdur55 | OK. But. is it possible to use mercurial with harmattan? |
| 10:08.52 | jonni | valdur55: yes its possible. |
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| 10:29.19 | ZogG_N950 | jonni, in open mode the kernel is the one compiled from sources? |
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| 11:07.21 | ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: ping |
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| 11:48.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | Arkenoi: known defect, gets worse with time |
| 11:49.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | Arkenoi: try to swap/RMA this screen asap |
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| 12:10.46 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, i really doubt our local Nokia has spare devices, but worth asking at least |
| 12:11.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, that won't fly I guess. As long as you don't hand them the device though, it probably isn't too much hurt in asking |
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| 12:11.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | Arkenoi: how old is this N950? |
| 12:12.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | I mean when did you receive it? |
| 12:12.36 | Arkenoi | one year |
| 12:13.14 | Arkenoi | worked flawlessly all that time |
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| 12:43.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, a bit late for warranty replacement then |
| 12:44.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if Nokia re-used a LCD from another phone model |
| 12:44.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | in N950 |
| 13:00.21 | Tronic | DocScrutinizer05: I friend of mine who works in Nokia Care tried to find a replacement, with no luck. |
| 13:00.33 | Tronic | E7 has different panel. |
| 13:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-/ |
| 13:01.11 | Tronic | N950 never had any warranty anyway. |
| 13:01.35 | Tronic | Some lucky ones apparently managed to get them replaced via their Nokia DDP contacts. |
| 13:01.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but they replaced early defects and DOAs |
| 13:02.00 | Tronic | I wasn't so lucky :/ |
| 13:11.49 | Tronic | But then, I never ended up releasing any software for the device either (if testing and debugging Inception before release doesn't count). |
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| 13:32.07 | chem|st | ~seen ajalkane |
| 13:32.09 | infobot | ajalkane <~ajalkane@a88-115-212-112.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 14h 51m 44s ago, saying: 'azeem: That just tells about the known decisions. Of course originally N950 was meant as consumer device.'. |
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| 16:07.52 | heymaster-laptop | Hello. How to update QML Listview element if I added new elements to my model ? |
| 16:09.19 | Elleo | heymaster-laptop: I end up removing and reinserting the element (at the same position) |
| 16:09.39 | Elleo | in theory there's a dataChanged signal, but apparently that doesn't work on ListViews (Bug QTBUG-13664) |
| 16:09.57 | heymaster-laptop | Elleo: thanks |
| 16:11.04 | Elleo | heymaster-laptop: https://gitorious.org/statusnet-meego-plugin/statusnet-meego-plugin/blobs/master/statusnet-meego.py#line453 <-- that's what I do, not especially elegant, but it works |
| 16:11.59 | heymaster-laptop | Elleo: thanks for example. just need to understand it :) |
| 16:12.20 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: sup my man |
| 16:12.27 | Elleo | hey ZogG_laptop :) |
| 16:12.37 | ZogG_laptop | Elleo: where have you been? |
| 16:12.48 | Elleo | super busy at work mostly |
| 16:13.06 | Elleo | had a few days off for holiday after one particularly hectic week, but mostly just working lots |
| 16:14.04 | Elleo | we had a review of one of our research projects recently, which we had to give a demonstration at; so we were working pretty solidly until that was complete |
| 16:14.08 | Elleo | things are a bit more relaxed now though |
| 16:14.15 | Elleo | how're you? |
| 16:28.55 | heymaster-laptop | Elleo: I just tryed to delete all rows from my model: for (i=0; i < servers.count(); i++) { model->removeRow(i) ;} << But ListView haven't changed :/ |
| 16:29.27 | Elleo | heymaster-laptop: make sure you're sending delete and added signals whilst doing it |
| 16:29.45 | Elleo | via the beginRemoveRows()/endRemoveRows() and beginInsertRows()/endInsertRows() functions |
| 16:29.56 | heymaster-laptop | Elleo: ahh, ok, thanks :) |
| 16:30.13 | Elleo | no worries :) |
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| 16:52.25 | faenil | hey :) |
| 16:52.30 | faenil | can anybody help me troubleshoot harmattan booting issues? |
| 16:52.35 | faenil | I installed latest nemo image and harmattan isn't booting anymore |
| 16:52.40 | faenil | had to run fsck.etx4 to be able to extract nemo's image though |
| 16:52.53 | faenil | and I think that messed up with harmattan,.. |
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| 16:55.07 | djszapi | sup |
| 16:55.18 | faenil | not booting |
| 16:55.21 | faenil | harmattan... |
| 16:55.42 | djszapi | faenil: then write a new bootloader in java |
| 16:55.48 | faenil | lol |
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| 16:59.31 | heymaster-laptop | Elleo: http://paste.lisp.org/display/130610 << still ListView not changing . |
| 17:00.02 | heymaster-laptop | ServerListModel is my QAbstractListModel subclass |
| 17:00.20 | heymaster-laptop | And I calling this function after I insert new element |
| 17:01.03 | Elleo | and the element is still displayed after calling it? |
| 17:01.37 | heymaster-laptop | Elleo: I see all elements. After I rerun my app i see new element |
| 17:02.49 | Elleo | not sure what to suggest, that looks reasonable for removing everything |
| 17:03.08 | Elleo | I haven't played with List Models in C++, but I don't see anything obviously wrong |
| 17:03.26 | Elleo | not sure what to suggest really, sorry |
| 17:03.53 | jonni | faenil: did nemo change the system clock by any change? Atleast for me default date which was too old broken harmattan from booting :) |
| 17:03.54 | heymaster-laptop | Elleo: ok, thanks anyway :) |
| 17:03.58 | Elleo | although you don't need to be removing stuff just to add an element |
| 17:04.08 | Elleo | its only if that element has changed that you need to remove it and readd it |
| 17:04.27 | Elleo | when adding something new you just need beginInsertRows()/endInsertRows() around it |
| 17:04.59 | heymaster-laptop | Elleo: ok, will try with beginInsertRows()/endInsertRows() .. |
| 17:06.24 | faenil | jonni, so I just have to change the date? :) |
| 17:06.25 | djszapi | jonni: sup |
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| 17:09.11 | jonni | faenil: heh, atleast it helped me after I debugged the booterror reason from kernel logs when I tried harmattan and latest nemo last week on my N9. |
| 17:09.53 | faenil | jonni, my harmattan had default date (6feb 2011), don't know about nemo, booting now :) |
| 17:09.59 | faenil | (booting nemo) |
| 17:10.26 | jonni | yep wrong year can cause harmattan not to boot. |
| 17:11.20 | faenil | that seems retarded, but ok :D hope that will help :D |
| 17:11.30 | faenil | (nemo still booting) |
| 17:12.33 | faenil | holy crap nemo only shows black screen now...argh |
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| 17:13.08 | Wnt | I hope you have backups |
| 17:13.18 | faenil | I wasn't using it, so no problem :) |
| 17:13.23 | faenil | I only use it for devving |
| 17:13.25 | louisdk | This is pretty wiered. There are keymaps for the N800, N810 and N900 in Harmattan. Hmm... |
| 17:13.38 | faenil | but it's not nice.. |
| 17:22.22 | heymaster-laptop | Elleo: I have method QObject * ServerModel::getModel() which passes model to QML ListView. This method is called one time and never again. Maybe I need to update QML value, but I'm using qmlRegisterType |
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| 17:23.22 | Elleo | heymaster-laptop: I set my model as a context property |
| 17:23.47 | heymaster-laptop | Elleo: but you doing this just one time ? |
| 17:24.21 | heymaster-laptop | Elleo: or you calling it after model changed ? |
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| 17:25.01 | Elleo | I just set it once as a context property, then only use the insert/remove signals after that |
| 17:25.16 | heymaster-laptop | After execution of beginInsertRows(QModelIndex(), k, k); models rowsCount method get called |
| 17:29.26 | Elleo | from the few examples I've seen glancing at the qt docs they all set the model as a context property, rather than getting it via a method call from qml |
| 17:29.58 | Elleo | perhaps doing it the way you're currently doing inadvertantly creates a copy of the model or something instead of just keeping a reference to it |
| 17:34.12 | heymaster-laptop | Elleo: ok will try |
| 17:34.21 | faenil | jonni, should I set it to 6th february or the current day? |
| 17:34.34 | jonni | current day |
| 17:34.35 | faenil | I tried setting to 7th february but it didn't work |
| 17:34.39 | faenil | ok... |
| 17:34.48 | jonni | and current year :) |
| 17:35.07 | faenil | anyway why shouldn't it work, harmattan had it set at 6th feb :D |
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| 17:44.39 | ZogG_laptop | compiling kernel on n950 takes ages and it makes it's hot as potato =) |
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| 18:14.50 | freemangordon | anyone knows how am I supposed to install skype on n950? |
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| 18:15.32 | macmaN | freemangordon: im pretty sure my tutorial still applies http://leho.kraav.com/blog/2011/12/01/install-n9-skype-ui-on-n950/ |
| 18:16.40 | freemangordon | macmaN: tried it, don't work :(. apt-get install account-plugin-skype tries to update a bunch if libs and to remove mp-...-rm680 |
| 18:17.12 | macmaN | oh, you may have a problem now that repos are at 1.3 and n950 isnt :< |
| 18:17.30 | freemangordon | maybe I need to do apt-get install account-plugin-skype=VERSION, but i don't know that version |
| 18:17.45 | freemangordon | any clue? |
| 18:18.36 | freemangordon | macmaN: could you tell me which version of skype you have installed? |
| 18:18.55 | freemangordon | account-plugin-skype that is |
| 18:20.56 | arcean_ | freemongardon: PR1.2beta? |
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| 18:21.27 | arcean_ | give me sec, I'll check if I have backuped the plugkin |
| 18:21.30 | freemangordon | arcean_: it should be PR 1.2 |
| 18:21.59 | macmaN | ii account-plugin-skype 0.85+0m6 Skype plugin for accounts-ui |
| 18:22.18 | freemangordon | macmaN: thanks a lot, will try it |
| 18:24.26 | Sazpaimon | ZogG_laptop, pong |
| 18:25.20 | ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: did you succeed with kernel and modules from nemo? |
| 18:25.35 | ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: nice to see you here, got a device? |
| 18:25.45 | freemangordon | ZogG_laptop: yep |
| 18:25.58 | Sazpaimon | ZogG_laptop, I got distracted with other tings |
| 18:26.02 | Sazpaimon | *things |
| 18:26.02 | ZogG_laptop | freemangordon: i bet new things gonna popup soon =) |
| 18:26.06 | freemangordon | macmaN: no joy :(, version not found in repo |
| 18:26.12 | arcean_ | freemangordon: congrats :) |
| 18:26.20 | ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: i'm currently compiling it in chroot |
| 18:26.24 | arcean_ | freemangordon: I've found the plugin on HDD |
| 18:26.27 | freemangordon | arcean_: did you find the .deb? |
| 18:26.33 | arcean_ | sure |
| 18:26.42 | freemangordon | :) may I have it? |
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| 18:34.31 | Sazpaimon | ZogG_laptop, compiling what, nemo? |
| 18:35.47 | Sazpaimon | also freemangordon congrats on your device |
| 18:36.03 | Sazpaimon | i wish I can find the time to finish my steam client so I can enter it in the contest |
| 18:36.10 | Sazpaimon | :/ |
| 18:37.11 | ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: funtoo |
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| 19:23.18 | Sazpaimon | ZogG_laptop, why funtoo |
| 19:23.24 | Sazpaimon | im a gentoo guy myself |
| 19:23.32 | Sazpaimon | but even I know where it doesn't belong |
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| 19:28.07 | ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: why? luke-jr has it on n900 |
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| 19:40.29 | djszapi_ | is wondering if there is such a thing as 3D painting. |
| 19:40.47 | Sazpaimon | luke-jr, these devices are pretty underpowered for compiling everything |
| 19:40.59 | Sazpaimon | unless you plan on running a distcc server, or creating a binhost for your device |
| 19:41.08 | luke-jr | Sazpaimon: distcc works nicely |
| 19:41.10 | Sazpaimon | thats what I did on my sheevaplug |
| 19:41.44 | Sazpaimon | just make sure to add nodoc and noman to FEATURES to maximize space |
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| 19:46.17 | djszapi_ | rzr: sup |
| 19:47.35 | rzr | hi , id fun w/ nemo |
| 19:48.28 | djszapi_ | rzr: ok, so have fun with ocaml packaging ^^ |
| 19:48.53 | rzr | ask one more time and i assign you to this task |
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| 19:49.38 | djszapi_ | rzr: it was not a question ;) |
| 19:52.21 | rzr | https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5244 |
| 19:52.28 | rzr | i dont have my files here |
| 19:53.31 | djszapi_ | rzr: why target djszapi ? |
| 19:53.36 | djszapi_ | home:djszapi* |
| 19:53.44 | djszapi_ | it should land in the community repository. |
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| 19:58.28 | ZogG_laptop | rzr: when you'll have some free time? |
| 19:59.02 | ZogG_laptop | rzr: i need some help fron you on building something, tried on obs, but stuck with unresolved dependies |
| 20:00.07 | djszapi_ | dependencies are overrated |
| 20:11.10 | ZogG_laptop | =( |
| 20:11.12 | ZogG_laptop | =) |
| 20:11.21 | ZogG_laptop | damn hebrew change smiles |
| 20:12.53 | djszapi_ | you cry in hebrew when you laugh in English? |
| 20:14.41 | djszapi_ | so how is the qt5 story on Harmattan? Any progress? |
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| 20:36.34 | rzr | ZogG, Ping me after sunday |
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| 20:43.42 | chem|st | djszapi_: is rzr's obs repo n9 proof? |
| 20:43.54 | chem|st | or is it more like maemo-devel? |
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| 20:45.41 | chem|st | Sazpaimon: steamclient? overrated... better get a password manager compatible with keepass AND pwsafe going! |
| 20:46.35 | djszapi_ | chem|st: first, that is a community repository, not rzr's |
| 20:46.51 | djszapi_ | second, it is done for Harmattan, so it should work with N9, yep. |
| 20:46.56 | chem|st | djszapi_: I know but it is in rzr's home :) |
| 20:47.12 | djszapi_ | chem|st: well, we did not get a community repository url, that is all |
| 20:47.16 | djszapi_ | so I proposed there. |
| 20:47.22 | chem|st | good! |
| 20:47.22 | djszapi_ | it does not matter where it is after all |
| 20:47.42 | djszapi_ | chem|st: should work with N950 and n9 |
| 20:47.57 | chem|st | no it doesn't, just when coming freshly from n900 you are struck by lightning the first week with harmattan |
| 20:48.17 | chem|st | is there a packagemanager? |
| 20:48.43 | chem|st | I haven't got ssh working yet |
| 20:48.54 | chem|st | you might gimme a hand on that :) |
| 20:49.13 | djszapi_ | apt-get |
| 20:49.29 | chem|st | a pain without ssh |
| 20:49.51 | chem|st | got n9, so swype input :/ |
| 20:49.55 | djszapi_ | you can use pkgmgr as well |
| 20:50.01 | djszapi_ | from command line |
| 20:50.05 | djszapi_ | for installing user packages |
| 20:50.44 | chem|st | djszapi_: short step by step guidance on ssh? |
| 20:50.52 | chem|st | I have set a user password |
| 20:51.15 | djszapi_ | chem|st: install stuff in developer mode |
| 20:51.40 | chem|st | thought developermode is ssh ready? |
| 20:51.44 | djszapi_ | get a password from the SDK tool after connecting via the micro usb cable |
| 20:51.49 | djszapi_ | ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 up |
| 20:51.55 | djszapi_ | ssh developer@192.168.2.15 |
| 20:52.12 | chem|st | oh it is restricted to usb netowrking? |
| 20:52.16 | Elleo | wifi works too |
| 20:52.18 | chem|st | iptables? |
| 20:52.36 | djszapi_ | chem|st: nope, but that is how I have been doing. |
| 20:53.07 | chem|st | Elleo: ssh developer@ip did not work with developer password nor did user@ip work |
| 20:53.12 | chem|st | Elleo: wifi |
| 20:53.25 | Elleo | not sure what to suggest to you then, that works fine for me |
| 20:53.35 | Elleo | although I only did it once, then just copied my ssh key |
| 20:53.49 | Elleo | after which you don't need to bother with the sdk tool |
| 20:54.07 | djszapi_ | you can also set to your preferred password |
| 20:54.13 | djszapi_ | and you do not need to bother with the sdk tool either |
| 20:54.22 | djszapi_ | that is what I had been doing |
| 20:58.24 | chem|st | oh damn it! |
| 20:58.43 | chem|st | at work it did not want to proceed... now at home it does! |
| 20:59.10 | djszapi_ | do not work anymore :-) |
| 20:59.28 | chem|st | it is 11pm over here... |
| 20:59.43 | chem|st | or you do not work anymore.. |
| 20:59.46 | chem|st | ? |
| 20:59.58 | djszapi_ | was just joking in general. |
| 21:00.02 | chem|st | what permissions does developer have? |
| 21:00.33 | jonni | developer is alias for user, so it has user permissions. |
| 21:01.23 | djszapi_ | chem|st: why askin' ? |
| 21:01.24 | jonni | difference is that developers shell is develsh and user shell is /bin/sh |
| 21:02.08 | chem|st | wat is the difference between those (shoot links if you are too lazy to explain) |
| 21:02.34 | chem|st | djszapi_: am I root or sudoer or dumbUser?! |
| 21:03.07 | djszapi_ | devel-su |
| 21:03.11 | djszapi_ | you will have a bit more |
| 21:03.23 | djszapi_ | ofc you can abuse security holes as well, which I would not recommend personally. |
| 21:03.35 | chem|st | aegis hacks...? |
| 21:04.03 | jonni | devel-su; su - user; accli -I;exit su - developer; accli -I; # that will tell you the difference |
| 21:04.21 | jonni | s/exit/exit;/ |
| 21:04.57 | djszapi_ | chem|st: check the wiki page |
| 21:05.20 | djszapi_ | chem|st: http://wiki.meego.com/Aegis_Policies |
| 21:05.28 | djszapi_ | developer is pretty much the OVI source stuff |
| 21:05.35 | djszapi_ | user is the "default". |
| 21:06.01 | louisdk | I've an N950 and when I slide out the keyboard to answer a text msg a get this extra space: http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/543/screen20jul12225825.png - Anybody can know if it can be fixed. |
| 21:10.07 | jonni | louisdk: its only software so it can be fixed, but no, currently I dont remember seeing that anyone would have released a fix for it in TMO. |
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| 21:10.27 | beford | ~n950-firmware |
| 21:10.27 | infobot | hmm... n950-firmware is The latest OneClickFlasher for the Nokia N950 is available from http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ |
| 21:11.17 | chem|st | so now I am looking for awesomeness in community repos... |
| 21:13.31 | Sazpaimon | [16:45] <chem|st> Sazpaimon: steamclient? overrated... better get a password manager compatible with keepass AND pwsafe going! |
| 21:13.33 | Sazpaimon | says you |
| 21:14.00 | Sazpaimon | i have a few friends that only use steam as their IM client |
| 21:16.29 | louisdk | jonni: Is this bug publicly known? |
| 21:19.32 | jonni | louisdk: its not a bug as it only happens on developer device and not on N9. |
| 21:21.33 | chem|st | Sazpaimon: I have a few friends they use whatsapp as their IM client... |
| 21:22.01 | chem|st | I would never even think about touching whatsapp |
| 21:22.06 | Sazpaimon | chem|st, the difference here is that steam has an open API |
| 21:22.21 | louisdk | jonni: Okay. So it's a BSOD = Bug Shown On Devdevice ;) |
| 21:22.49 | chem|st | Sazpaimon: no I am fine with steam but I do not understand how it has become an important msger for anyone |
| 21:23.11 | Sazpaimon | i really dont know either |
| 21:23.21 | chem|st | :) |
| 21:23.29 | Sazpaimon | I think after the release of orange box, steam became a really popular social platform |
| 21:23.32 | chem|st | there is xmpp! for ages! |
| 21:24.30 | djszapi_ | chem|st: +1 on whatisapp -1 |
| 21:25.14 | jonni | louisdk: adding check for keyboard open and adjusting the offset, is most likely just few lines of code and takes 10 minutes, but as its not a bug, then most likely you need to fix it yourself. Havent checked is there is qml file to tweak or on worst case you need to binary patch the offset :) |
| 21:25.40 | jonni | is=if |
| 21:27.37 | louisdk | jonni: Okay ;) |
| 21:28.19 | djszapi_ | bugs are overrated |
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| 21:45.50 | ladoga | i have few friends using facebook. would never even touch it |
| 21:46.42 | heymaster-laptop | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Discussion/showthread.php?236877-Qt-QML-ListView-Refresh-ListView << any suggestions? |
| 21:46.46 | ladoga | people sell their profiling info to govermenments/corporations so cheaply |
| 21:47.05 | heymaster-laptop | ladoga: why not ? |
| 21:47.17 | heymaster-laptop | :D |
| 21:47.30 | ladoga | come some autocratic regime and people are in jail for what they have said in FB |
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| 21:48.22 | ladoga | or maybe shot |
| 21:48.28 | heymaster-laptop | maybe it's not FB problem ? |
| 21:49.26 | heymaster-laptop | I don't like FB too, but using it :) |
| 21:49.26 | ladoga | it's problem of people who use services that log and sell profiling information |
| 21:50.11 | ladoga | and mostly likely it will affect nothing or very little |
| 21:50.23 | ladoga | so not really problem |
| 21:50.43 | ladoga | especially if privacy is of no concern |
| 21:51.11 | ladoga | or..well. that's what I think |
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| 21:53.13 | heymaster-laptop | ladoga: I'm not public person I'm using FB to connect with friends |
| 21:54.55 | ladoga | but it's good atleast to realise everything you say there is public |
| 21:55.11 | heymaster-laptop | yes, i think so :) |
| 21:55.17 | ladoga | messages and chats are logged and filtered |
| 21:55.45 | heymaster-laptop | yes, even pictures with gps cords are logged :) |
| 21:56.33 | heymaster-laptop | need to get CD from FB with all data :) |
| 21:58.45 | heymaster-laptop | you can request all data from FB (at least in EU I think) |
| 21:59.58 | ladoga | it's very useful for marketing adn advertising purposes and ofcourse for any intelligence service which needs to track down dissidents |
| 22:00.39 | ladoga | yep, so you atleast know what they have stored |
| 22:01.00 | ladoga | but how can one then verify that this is really all of the data |
| 22:01.22 | heymaster-laptop | ladoga: I think I will suspend my FB account after your talk :D |
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| 22:02.36 | chem|st | aweful calendar bug... all entries entered between 11pm and 12am will get the NEXT day entered.. |
| 22:03.08 | chem|st | it takes the next full hour for starting time... |
| 22:10.17 | ladoga | heymaster-laptop: my friends use mostly xmpp though. not that many friends so it's easy. :) I'm not aware of any user controlled social networking platform so probably facebook has no real alternatives. |
| 22:11.36 | ladoga | and "everyone" is already there |
| 22:11.53 | ladoga | so not much choice for those who need it |
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| 22:29.46 | heymaster-laptop | ladoga: peoples mosly uses Skype fo IM messages :) |
| 22:30.26 | heymaster-laptop | I can't make people to switch to xmpp |
| 23:43.09 | ZogG_laptop | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdXfStB2dQ0&feature=player_embedded - hmmm firefox running n9 |
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| 23:56.27 | chem|st | heymaster-laptop: as ther is voip too |
| 23:58.43 | heymaster-laptop | Skype uses 234MB RAM and 26 threads now on my computer :) What's why I hate this program :) |
| 23:59.22 | ZogG_laptop | skype is propitary |
| 23:59.33 | ZogG_laptop | and i think all IM should be opensource |
| 23:59.41 | ZogG_laptop | all communication protocols at least |
| 23:59.57 | ZogG_laptop | what is good at skype is how they deal with p2p |
