| 00:15.43 | rzr | ZogG, why scary world today ? |
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| 00:22.34 | rzr | i confirm it's scary my E7 broke |
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| 00:38.49 | RST38h | rzr: What did you do with it? It is made of metal! |
| 00:39.31 | RST38h | takes out his E7, strokes its smooth cold aluminium body, smiles suggestively |
| 00:40.32 | rzr | RST38h, http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Eseries-and-Communicators/E7-Screen-and-keyboard-not-responding-but-buttons-are-so/td-p/1496416 |
| 00:42.58 | RST38h | oh.trouble. |
| 00:43.37 | rzr | so hw or sw ? |
| 00:43.51 | RST38h | I would guess hw |
| 00:43.58 | RST38h | Too specific for sw |
| 00:44.20 | rzr | more details : |
| 00:44.25 | rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/symbian# My #nokia #E7 is stuck on Security code: screen : touchscreen and keyboard are not responsible |
| 00:44.52 | RST38h | Pull the SIM card out, reboot |
| 00:45.08 | rzr | i did this in loop during a couple of hours |
| 00:45.29 | rzr | i've been doing this |
| 00:45.38 | rzr | please fix my English ;) |
| 00:45.40 | rzr | too |
| 00:45.51 | rzr | the world is b0rken too |
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| 01:08.58 | Juks | Hi, I'm trying to use a Sheet element and sometimes when it closes (accept or reject) part of it remains on the scren, if I rotate it dissapear so it's something like the screen is not refreshing any advice? |
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| 01:46.27 | Tronic | "Jos joku on työskennellyt tuon Intel-MeeGo-laitteen (Lauta) parissa niin tarinaa siitä olisi tervetullutta. Täydennystä voi laittaa tulemaan myös aiheista: Columbus, eColumbus, Columbus II, DirectUI, Harmattan UI Simplification, Senna, Ilmatar sekä tietysti MeeGon alasajosta ja Windows Phoneen siirtymisestä." |
| 01:46.57 | Tronic | Sampsa Kurri is requesting more information on those topics (from former or current Nokia insiders). |
| 01:47.39 | Tronic | Mail sampsa.kurri@muropaketti.com in you want to contribute to his upcoming article on MeeGo. Sources will remain anonymous. |
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| 07:40.37 | jonni | DocScrutinizer05: I use bmestat |
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| 08:08.44 | rigo | flashed my N9 to PR1.3 and now the 3G data connection doesn't work anymore. I also have trouble putting it into developer mode as it can't find the packages (over the wifi connection). Is this a known problem or is it just me having messed up my phone? |
| 08:10.46 | denism | rigo: 3G - no such problem, regarding to dev.mode - do not know |
| 08:14.40 | jonni | rigo: most likely you just have messed up, since dev mode should install over wifi just fine, sounds like you need to reflash. |
| 08:15.28 | rigo | jonni, it happend after I flashed it. my PR 1.2 installation was working |
| 08:16.31 | beford | i've just enabled dev mode and it worked |
| 08:16.33 | beford | pr13 |
| 08:17.49 | jonni | rigo: and you flashed emmc at the same time as main image? |
| 08:18.13 | jonni | (if you didnt then that can explain your problems) |
| 08:18.38 | rigo | which image do you have? Looks I got a bogus one. I did this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 |
| 08:19.03 | rigo | and flashed with DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin |
| 08:19.19 | denism | rigo: you have to flash eMMC image also |
| 08:19.36 | denism | "Additionally, there is a content image ("eMMC image") " - from that page |
| 08:19.40 | jonni | yes thats the right main image, but in addition to that you also need to flash the emmc |
| 08:20.00 | rigo | ah, I thought I could keep my user data |
| 08:20.07 | rigo | ok, will do |
| 08:20.35 | jonni | if you do ssu, then you usually can keep the user data, but with flasher its better to flash emmc at same time. |
| 08:21.13 | jonni | (when your switching from pr1.2 to pr1.3, you dont need to reflash emmc if you do pr1.3 to pr1.3) |
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| 08:33.24 | pa | by the way |
| 08:33.28 | pa | i finished to check |
| 08:33.51 | pa | so now radio 2g + standby: 7mA |
| 08:33.58 | pa | w. PR1.2: 4mA |
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| 08:34.18 | pa | has anybody who reflashed checked this? |
| 08:34.18 | aparaatti | anyone can point me where to get gnu-screen for n9? |
| 08:34.28 | pa | i updated ota |
| 08:37.30 | pa | (and i use battery usage) |
| 08:37.52 | pa | if i have to reflash, it will be a nightmare to reinstall everything |
| 08:41.50 | rigo | pa, I'm there. |
| 08:42.15 | pa | rigo: u reflashed and you use battery usage? |
| 08:42.28 | pa | how much does your n9 drink, in standby? |
| 08:42.44 | rigo | I reflashed and I lost everything and I also had a complex setup |
| 08:43.16 | pa | ah ok.. if you check the power consumption, pls let me know |
| 08:43.18 | pa | :) |
| 08:43.31 | rigo | pa, perhaps to monitor how much it drinks. It mainly depends on how good the signal is |
| 08:43.43 | rigo | if I'm next to the wifi, it holds for 2 days |
| 08:44.08 | rigo | if I'm GSM only, no data, it also holds for pretty long time |
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| 08:44.34 | rigo | if in some remote area with one bar on GSM reception and data usage, its 12hours max |
| 08:45.03 | pa | well, as i wrote be4, same condition, PR1.2 4mA, PR1.3 7mA |
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| 08:45.37 | rigo | another interesting consequence of reflash is that you lose your apps, even the paid ones |
| 08:45.52 | pa | yes.. |
| 08:46.08 | pa | but isnt there a way to save the deb once you install them the first time? |
| 08:46.16 | pa | there should be a couple of ways to do that |
| 08:46.37 | rigo | but as you have acquired a right and not a thing, they should give it to you for free or at least give you backup -debs to re-install. Something to keep in mind for jolla as this will make the distrib superior to others |
| 08:47.04 | pa | rigo, actually do you know what's jolla plans? i read they plan to make phones |
| 08:47.11 | rigo | pa, that should be the default to save the debs, but not in phone space |
| 08:47.30 | rigo | pa, that's what I read in their press release |
| 08:47.44 | pa | rigo, iirc, with apt-something you should be able to get the deb back |
| 08:47.45 | rigo | they said they will bring out a phone in Nov/Dec |
| 08:48.06 | pa | so they wont create anything for n9, right? |
| 08:48.28 | rigo | pa, don't know, perhaps create a thing better than N9 |
| 08:48.48 | denism | pa: yes, they do not work for Nokia (like N9) |
| 08:48.52 | pa | well yes sure, but n9 is nice, it would be bad to trash it already |
| 08:49.07 | rigo | pa, I don't want a quad-core 3kg battery super computer phone... :-/ |
| 08:49.17 | pa | denism, it would be nice if they could separate OS and hardware |
| 08:49.26 | pa | and produce hardware compatible with their OS |
| 08:49.36 | pa | which could, however, be installed on other phones too |
| 08:49.38 | rigo | pa, I had my P910 for 5 years and I only changed because it had no WIFI |
| 08:49.47 | rigo | I don't plan to change the N9 soon |
| 08:50.07 | pa | i would pay for a meltemi for n9 |
| 08:50.19 | pa | (means maemo next) |
| 08:50.27 | rigo | but I think there is a low hanging fruit to take over the app-stores for N9 and N900 |
| 08:51.18 | rigo | is clueless about meltemi, pointer? |
| 08:52.08 | rigo | pa, look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=4f1f48cee7c78d090145ff9b15bbb1c5&t=85225&page=148 |
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| 08:58.28 | pa | thanks |
| 08:58.31 | pa | he has the same problem |
| 08:58.42 | pa | so it was not just me dreaming :) |
| 08:58.51 | denism | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.19 | jonni | aparaatti: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/djszapi/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan/armel/screen_4.0.3-14_armel.deb |
| 09:14.12 | aparaatti | jonni: thank you very much |
| 09:20.39 | pa | its amazing to read of people having 15-17mA idle consumption with no apps running in background |
| 09:23.14 | denism | hmm, interesting, I have checked my battery usage stats (PR1.3 by SSU) and it says 11mA as average idle consumption. No open apps, but WiFi + 2 email accounts, twitter + skype + gtalk |
| 09:24.02 | pa | skype is a killer |
| 09:24.37 | pa | to test, you should probably turn off wifi, and your google + email + twitter + skype accounts |
| 09:25.07 | denism | perhaps later today |
| 09:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | pa: GSM is pretty unpredictable regarding standby power. To make sure you got same RF network conditions you basically need a lab with something like CMU200 GSM tester |
| 09:25.15 | pa | but in the uber discussion thread i see many complaining of more battery drained |
| 09:25.29 | pa | DocScrutinizer, i tested also with radio off |
| 09:25.34 | macmaN | jonni: screen? i thought tmux stomped it with a big dinosaur foot for almost any and all purposes |
| 09:25.36 | pa | 5mA vs 3mA |
| 09:25.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | now that's way better |
| 09:25.49 | macmaN | who would ever want to use screen again, i wonder |
| 09:26.28 | jonni | macmaN: I've gotten used to screen shortcuts because of 10+ years of usage :) |
| 09:26.46 | macmaN | jonni: right. i also mapped ctrl+a in tmux :> |
| 09:26.48 | macmaN | ill give you that |
| 09:26.51 | pa | there was some nice page with a list of them, i remember |
| 09:26.56 | pa | probably i even have it bookmarked |
| 09:26.57 | macmaN | but that ended up being all i needed |
| 09:27.40 | pa | i guess you need screen on n9 coz you can have only one terminal running |
| 09:27.45 | pa | (2, if you use mtermite) |
| 09:29.29 | pa | never tried tmux, good hint :) |
| 09:29.47 | macmaN | here's another good hint |
| 09:29.56 | macmaN | hut/ranger for file manager |
| 09:30.05 | macmaN | first of all it looks awesome in task switcher |
| 09:31.13 | pa | cool, thanks! but im not sure im ready to leave mc yet :) |
| 09:31.52 | macmaN | mc will look like elephant in a porcelain shop after youve gotten used to ranger |
| 09:32.11 | pa | right.. i can try :) |
| 09:32.13 | macmaN | vim skill is needed tho :> |
| 09:32.23 | macmaN | to enjoy default keybindings |
| 09:34.29 | aparaatti | jonni: the deb says Asennus paketti ei kelpaa (??) |
| 09:35.31 | jonni | aparaatti: file size? and did you try to install it with dpkg or pkgmgr? |
| 09:35.53 | aparaatti | jonni: I just double clicked from file box... so dpkg should work? |
| 09:36.21 | jonni | aparaatti: if it has some uninstalled depency then dpkg will not work and you need to use pkgmgr |
| 09:37.02 | jonni | (as pkgmgr also installs the depencies) |
| 09:38.58 | jonni | pkgmgr install-file -f screen_4.0.3-14_armel.deb |
| 09:39.39 | ZogG_laptop | Kozzi, ping |
| 09:40.06 | ZogG_laptop | lbt, X-Fade ping |
| 09:40.40 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: What's up? |
| 09:42.48 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade, hey sup |
| 09:43.03 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade, appsmeego was down yesterday, just checked it's ok |
| 09:43.10 | ZogG_laptop | and i found small bug |
| 09:43.17 | ZogG_laptop | review changing gives error |
| 09:44.29 | ZogG_laptop | =\ |
| 09:44.34 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade, ^ |
| 09:45.28 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Yeah, the server was down. I fixed that. |
| 09:45.37 | ZogG_laptop | good |
| 09:45.47 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade, and about review changing? |
| 09:46.04 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Not sure if that is even supported :) |
| 09:46.29 | aparaatti | jonni: size: 600.35 kB ... it complains that "Package 'screen' version '4.0.3-14' is not user package" |
| 09:46.42 | aparaatti | jonni: tried to install as root and user |
| 09:47.13 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade, it is - you go to app in web, log in, change and have save or similuar button but than you get server error msg |
| 09:47.28 | jonni | aparaatti: and if you do dpkg -i as root it still fails? |
| 09:49.05 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade, it says "push method is not allowed", my friend didn't mark " Should the application be in this application catalog?" and coz of it my app is in testing with even 6 positive reviews =) |
| 09:49.36 | aparaatti | jonni: ok now it installed, but dpkg complained about not being able to change ownership of /var/run/screen |
| 09:49.56 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Yeah, I guess that part isn't implemented yet. |
| 09:50.32 | jonni | aparaatti: maybe you installed it as root, and not as devel-sh root (which has the chown capa) |
| 09:50.49 | jonni | aparaatti: devel-su; develsh; dpkg -i |
| 09:51.13 | aparaatti | jonni: I changed it by hand and now it works... |
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| 09:51.24 | aparaatti | jonni: yes I was root |
| 09:51.46 | ZogG_laptop | root is for weak =) |
| 09:52.28 | aparaatti | ZogG_laptop: root is root and frameworks vary |
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| 09:53.39 | aparaatti | so what's the difference? |
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| 09:55.49 | aparaatti | but now it works, thanks for help :) |
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| 09:56.40 | ZogG_laptop | aparaatti, use tmux =) |
| 09:57.11 | aparaatti | lol |
| 09:57.37 | aparaatti | so develsh is even rooter than root? |
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| 10:02.54 | rigo | jonni, still have the failure to download developer-mode |
| 10:03.14 | rigo | and still can't connect to the 3G network |
| 10:03.31 | jonni | rigo: and you are sure that you have setup your clock/date to be correct? |
| 10:03.44 | rigo | rats! |
| 10:04.51 | rigo | isn't the thing supposed to get the right date and time from the GSM network? |
| 10:05.15 | jonni | rigo: only if you enable that in the settings |
| 10:05.30 | rigo | it actually has the right time |
| 10:05.59 | rigo | looks like there are settings left from the old install |
| 10:06.03 | jonni | there has been some cases that user has put 2011 as year instead of 2012. which will make developer mode download to fail. |
| 10:06.59 | trx | i rewrote rdesktop to use QML and it works on Harmattan, since this is my first c++ only project, is anyone interested to check the code for leaks, etc ? Its just one .cpp/.h |
| 10:07.12 | rigo | I've done flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --flash-only=emmc like in the description of itsnotabigtruck |
| 10:07.22 | rigo | should I do something more brutal? |
| 10:08.12 | jonni | rigo: "flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin" or "flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure" if you want to be brutal. |
| 10:10.29 | jonni | secure erase should bring your device to factory condition, it things fail after that one, then its nokia care time |
| 10:12.08 | jonni | now I installed tmux to my N9, so I can compare if I'll stop using screen.... |
| 10:13.00 | ZogG_laptop | jonni, i find it hard to use those apps without hw keyboard =( |
| 10:13.22 | jonni | through ssh wifi connection from your pc :) |
| 10:13.39 | jonni | or fingerterm (has transparent vkb) |
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| 10:13.53 | aparaatti | i like the fingerterm |
| 10:14.06 | ZogG_laptop | i like it and use it too |
| 10:14.22 | ZogG_laptop | btw is there way to scroll up there? |
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| 10:16.39 | Lava_Croft | fingerterm? |
| 10:16.49 | Lava_Croft | gestures maybe, for scrolling |
| 10:17.24 | jonni | quick compare on tmux vs screen, is that tmux seems to be lacking the scrollmode like ctrl-a-escape that screen has. |
| 10:17.53 | jonni | tmux copy-mode is kinda hack to scroll the history |
| 10:18.18 | aparaatti | isn't tmux for dividing one screen to different areas? Or there is tabs too... |
| 10:18.37 | jonni | it has tabs |
| 10:19.15 | Lava_Croft | screen can do splitscreen too |
| 10:19.21 | Lava_Croft | iirc |
| 10:25.36 | hahlo | that remains me, where I could get screen to N9? |
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| 10:32.14 | Lava_Croft | try apt-get install screen? |
| 10:33.32 | SpeedEvil | Isn't it in devtools? |
| 10:35.59 | hahlo | ok thanks didn't find it when tried apt-cache search screen |
| 10:39.33 | ZogG_laptop | hahlo, read to log above it has link |
| 10:39.33 | rigo | jonni, after factory reset it says installation package not found for developer-mode |
| 10:40.01 | ZogG_laptop | rigo, wierd |
| 10:40.34 | rigo | did flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin" or "flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure |
| 10:41.06 | rigo | can it be that I took the wrong images and have simlocked my simlockless phone? Phoning actually works |
| 10:41.20 | rigo | and 3G data connection worked in PR 1.2 |
| 10:42.24 | rigo | should I do a phone reset as in settings /reset? |
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| 10:49.45 | hahlo | ZogG_laptop: found it thanks, does it run in pr1.3 too and as a user? |
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| 10:56.36 | ZogG_laptop | hahlo, it should run as user and i think yes as jonni said above |
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| 10:56.43 | xpp1 | hi guys |
| 10:56.49 | xpp1 | i'm having probs since 2 days |
| 10:56.58 | xpp1 | i cant login anymore to my skype account |
| 10:57.02 | xpp1 | it says "wrong password" |
| 10:57.07 | xpp1 | yet its correct |
| 10:57.09 | hahlo | ZogG_laptop: ok thanks again |
| 10:57.19 | xpp1 | anyone else experienced this issue ? |
| 10:58.44 | ZogG_laptop | tried re-adding ? |
| 10:58.48 | rigo | not here, but I had things when I consistently mistyped things |
| 10:59.05 | rigo | does your skype account work from another computer? |
| 10:59.13 | xpp1 | ofc |
| 10:59.15 | xpp1 | it works |
| 10:59.25 | xpp1 | and |
| 10:59.30 | xpp1 | it worked till 2 days ago!!! |
| 10:59.37 | xpp1 | i didnt change password or anything |
| 10:59.50 | pa | is pr1.3 001 available on navifirm? cant find it.. |
| 10:59.52 | xpp1 | bad thing the skype plugin doesnt log anything, i see no messages in syslog |
| 11:00.02 | pa | J1Z5 |
| 11:00.29 | xpp1 | i cant even create a new account anyway |
| 11:00.33 | xpp1 | :\ |
| 11:00.53 | xpp1 | sip works, ovi store works, everything ok exept skype |
| 11:02.48 | rigo | pa, just flashed it on my phone and got lots of problems |
| 11:03.16 | rigo | itsnotabigtruck has it in his description: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693 |
| 11:03.22 | pa | rigo, you mean pr1.3 001? |
| 11:03.27 | rigo | 40.2012.21.3 |
| 11:03.33 | pa | yeah |
| 11:03.39 | pa | which one is it the 001? |
| 11:03.49 | rigo | I have found it for my Austria-phone |
| 11:04.09 | rigo | is not sitting in Austria, just had the phone with code from Austria |
| 11:04.14 | pa | ah ok, so you dont have the generic one |
| 11:04.25 | ZogG_laptop | xpp1, delete, reboot, add again |
| 11:05.02 | xpp1 | delete what zogg ? |
| 11:05.06 | xpp1 | the account ? |
| 11:05.11 | xpp1 | did it |
| 11:06.20 | xpp1 | bbl later |
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| 11:08.30 | phako | Do you also see issues with the unread mail display not working in PR1.3? |
| 11:08.48 | rigo | perhaps I should flash with the generic image then |
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| 11:27.54 | rigo | no generic image |
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| 11:36.00 | rigo | can't install fingerterm, can't trace dependencies |
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| 11:46.50 | ArkanoiD_ | rumors say there won't be 1.3 for n950 at all? |
| 11:47.22 | hahlo | screen say:"Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 777." |
| 12:06.20 | alterego | ArkanoiD_: looks that way. |
| 12:07.09 | ArkanoiD_ | alterego, then we need a reliable step-by-step instruction (or better, a script) to make frankensteinian update from n9 images :-) |
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| 12:11.15 | alterego | Well, you might :P |
| 12:11.20 | alterego | I don't run Harmattan on my N950 :) |
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| 12:22.54 | pa | elop is so lame |
| 12:23.07 | pa | and besides everything, was n9 generating profits or not? |
| 12:23.29 | pa | if yes, shutting down (not selling) the division is being braindead, or steered by someone else |
| 12:24.58 | chem|st | pa: as it was better selling than lumias I guess it was generating profit, if you know maemo history you start to believe that elop is on a personal vengeance tour here to destroy someones work who pissed him off 10 years ago... |
| 12:26.19 | pa | what did maemo do to elop 10 years ago? |
| 12:26.28 | lildeimos | a tweet of @ggreve: "Elop nominated for "criminally worst CEO ever" - have to agree: http://is.gd/cq337k" :) |
| 12:26.31 | pa | i suspect it was rather hidden in the microsoft agreement |
| 12:28.13 | ArkanoiD_ | lildeimos, i'd vote for Robert Palmer |
| 12:28.48 | alterego | For a long time, N9 was a lot more successful than the Lumia |
| 12:29.06 | alterego | It sold more than the Lumia 800s and 710s up until a couple of months ago I believe. |
| 12:29.18 | alterego | May still be selling more for all I know ^.^ |
| 12:31.49 | thp | alterego: so what do you run on your n950 if not harmattan? |
| 12:32.13 | alterego | Mer/Nemo |
| 12:32.18 | alterego | Depends what I'm working on. |
| 12:32.41 | thp | that's good :) still a bit too kludgy for me the last time i tested it, though :/ |
| 12:34.01 | alterego | Well, that's what I'm going to try and refine ;) |
| 12:34.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | -altyou're giving me ideas :-) |
| 12:34.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | alterego: ^^^ |
| 12:35.34 | alterego | DocScrutinizer05: oh yes? :) |
| 12:37.33 | alterego | DocScrutinizer05: pray tell :) |
| 12:38.55 | lildeimos | alterego: not GPL thoughts :) |
| 12:39.03 | alterego | lol |
| 12:39.16 | alterego | I wouldn't thought DocScrutinizer05 would be capable of anything non GPL :) |
| 12:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just thought of putting this aegis-coffin to a decent purpose |
| 12:40.06 | alterego | Ah, cool. |
| 12:40.09 | pa | exactly. so if a division is generating profit, why would a company ever shut it down? I mean, i would understand selling it, but shutting it down.. |
| 12:40.11 | alterego | Is it a cure for the aegis? |
| 12:40.33 | alterego | pa: because Elop isn't interested in success, he wants a Microsoft Phone factory. |
| 12:40.38 | SpeedEvil | pa: Because they can then sell the assets, and generate cash to stop the comany as a whole tanking. |
| 12:41.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://live.wsj.com/video/nokia-lumia-wont-get-windows-8-phone-upgrade/5B466331-923A-4A8C-A4B7-0B9AC76408F8.html?mod=wsj_blog_tboleft#!5B466331-923A-4A8C-A4B7-0B9AC76408F8 |
| 12:41.15 | SpeedEvil | pa: Or because you believe that the capital freed by stopping doing something can be better invested in something else that will lead to better profit in the future. |
| 12:41.26 | rigo | ok, perhaps of the current online, someone can help. I re-flashed my N9 with PR 1.3 by doing flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin" or "flasher -f -F main.bin -F emmc.bin --erase-user-data=secure with the binaries for 059JV4 (Austria) and it continues to not be able to connect to 3G and also says "instalation package not found" when I try to install developer mode |
| 12:42.11 | rigo | I have a dark recollection that developer mode only installed over 3G and not over wifi |
| 12:43.12 | rigo | ovi store works with hickups. Certain packages work, others don't work |
| 12:43.47 | alterego | rigo: not true, works fine on any network connection |
| 12:45.39 | rigo | ok, so i have 2 issues (probably related) that I can't connect to 3G (just saying can't connect) and developer mode not working |
| 12:46.11 | rigo | which in turn raises the question, how I return to PR 1.2 where those things have worked |
| 12:46.36 | rigo | I assume in the upgrade, things are left over, so PR 1.3 works while clean install doesn't |
| 12:48.14 | rigo | perhaps just missing an installation path. Is dev in the community rep? I don't have that linked anymore in current install |
| 12:50.41 | pa | by the way, i have 2 n9, and on both i have 2g3g |
| 12:50.56 | pa | but while on one, pressing the icon cycles among 2g/3g/dual |
| 12:51.04 | pa | on the other it goes only 2g/dual |
| 12:51.08 | pa | any idea why? |
| 12:51.54 | pa | btw anybody using wazapp? |
| 12:52.12 | azeem | does |
| 12:52.12 | pa | what does the little red clock icon mean? |
| 12:52.20 | pa | (on messages) |
| 12:52.25 | azeem | pa: message not yet received by recipient |
| 12:52.33 | azeem | yellow means received, but not read |
| 12:52.36 | azeem | green means read |
| 12:52.38 | pa | ah ok, thanks! |
| 12:52.51 | pa | never used whatsapp before |
| 12:52.52 | pa | :) |
| 12:53.20 | rigo | pa do you use the same image on both? |
| 12:53.31 | pa | i was |
| 12:53.35 | pa | now i am on pr1.3 on one |
| 12:53.45 | pa | (the one 2g/dual) |
| 12:53.52 | pa | behavior hasnt changed |
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| 12:55.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, since 3G is priorized over 2G anyway, a plain 3G mode is rather silly |
| 12:55.47 | pa | yes i guess so, but still the different behavior makes me suspicious |
| 13:00.01 | pa | azeem, do you know whether wazapp installs a daemon or not? |
| 13:00.14 | pa | e.g., do i have to run it in order to get messages? |
| 13:00.19 | azeem | well |
| 13:00.30 | azeem | AIUI, you have to run it once after reboot |
| 13:00.36 | azeem | it doesn't load automatically I think |
| 13:00.44 | pa | ah ok, so it runs as daemon |
| 13:00.51 | azeem | pa: but unless you quit it via menu -> quit, it will run in the background |
| 13:01.04 | azeem | i.e. quitting via swipe or task pane will keep it running |
| 13:01.17 | pa | nice design :) |
| 13:01.21 | pa | thanks! |
| 13:01.26 | azeem | pa: however, especially in low power mode (?) I found that hitting the wazapp icon reloads the splash screen and likely the whole app |
| 13:01.37 | azeem | so the daemon seems to die sometimes, maybe it is just me |
| 13:01.42 | azeem | haven't really investigated |
| 13:02.01 | azeem | pa: I guess the design would be nicer if the whole thing was hooked into Accounts and Conversations |
| 13:02.30 | pa | actually i dont mind some separation |
| 13:02.45 | pa | i hate the n9 trying to merge my skype contacts all the time |
| 13:03.13 | azeem | pa: then get an iPhone :P |
| 13:05.59 | pa | :p |
| 13:12.28 | unreal- | hello |
| 13:13.01 | unreal- | does anyone know how to stop the n9 nagging all the time when there's no data connection? |
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| 13:13.54 | unreal- | (aka when there is no 3G or wifi it keeps popping up the "connect to internet" dialog, like every 10 seconds...) |
| 13:14.56 | pa | no |
| 13:15.03 | njsf | this is probably some program you installed that *really* wants to be always connected |
| 13:15.09 | njsf | mine does not do that |
| 13:15.21 | azeem | unreal-: does it happen if you set your IM status to offline as well? |
| 13:15.34 | unreal- | yes |
| 13:16.06 | pa | for example sportstracker |
| 13:16.12 | pa | its totally unusable coz of that |
| 13:16.55 | unreal- | i think it's the twitter app that does that in my case |
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| 13:17.27 | njsf | the stock one does not seem to do that to me |
| 13:17.39 | unreal- | so yes, i could just close the twitter app, but seriously, why can't i just stop it from nagging? |
| 13:17.42 | njsf | then again, I mostly just go by the home screen feed |
| 13:17.52 | njsf | and it does not nag |
| 13:19.10 | unreal- | njsf: open the twitter app and tell me if it starts nagging |
| 13:24.44 | azeem | the twitter app nags for me |
| 13:25.26 | njsf | have it show the tweets on the home feed and close the app |
| 13:25.29 | njsf | and it will not nag |
| 13:25.42 | azeem | eh, sure |
| 13:25.59 | njsf | ok I disabled all automatic network connections |
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| 13:26.10 | njsf | and the twitter app only asked to connect to the internet ONCE |
| 13:26.20 | azeem | njsf: it keeps asking me |
| 13:26.42 | azeem | though it could also be MfE, dunno |
| 13:26.43 | njsf | ah very interesting |
| 13:26.54 | njsf | it starts asking IF it goes to the background |
| 13:27.01 | njsf | but NOT if it is in the foreground |
| 13:27.02 | njsf | so... |
| 13:27.17 | njsf | either close it when you don't have network |
| 13:27.27 | njsf | or always keep it on the foreground |
| 13:27.38 | azeem | njsf: I think the point was that it's broken |
| 13:27.39 | njsf | or just have it feed in the home screen and not leave it open |
| 13:27.46 | azeem | I don't keep it around usually anyway |
| 13:27.48 | njsf | Oh, I agree |
| 13:28.02 | njsf | I'm just trying to make life less miserable |
| 13:28.03 | azeem | but I agree the work-arounds are rather easy here |
| 13:28.34 | njsf | stock twitter app is broken in other ways too |
| 13:28.49 | njsf | like from home feed all too often it won't find the tweet you click |
| 13:28.58 | njsf | but if you go back it is there on the list... |
| 13:29.05 | azeem | haven't seen this |
| 13:29.14 | azeem | but I'm not a heavy twitter user |
| 13:29.25 | njsf | I see it probably 20% of the time |
| 13:29.27 | njsf | me neither |
| 13:29.37 | njsf | but once in a while I get it |
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| 13:31.55 | Lava_Croft | 20% of the time is a lot more than once in a while:) |
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| 13:32.23 | azeem | if you only ever tap on a twitter link every few days... |
| 13:32.31 | xip22 | hi guys |
| 13:33.06 | xip22 | im having an issue with skype account, cant login, says wrong password |
| 13:33.14 | xip22 | nokia n9, fw 1.3 |
| 13:33.23 | xip22 | it happened suddendly 2 days ago |
| 13:33.32 | radiofree | is your password incorrect? |
| 13:33.36 | xip22 | no its not |
| 13:33.58 | xip22 | i deleted the account, rebooted and tried to add it again |
| 13:34.03 | xip22 | now it says "the account wont be saved2 |
| 13:34.19 | xip22 | still cant verify myself in skype |
| 13:34.20 | xip22 | any idea ? |
| 13:35.10 | xip22 | im going mad, i dont want to reflash this and lose all my apps :( |
| 13:36.06 | xip22 | i even tried to create a new account |
| 13:36.13 | xip22 | not working |
| 13:36.25 | Lava_Croft | there are certain files you can delete to remove that shit |
| 13:36.28 | Lava_Croft | but i dont know which |
| 13:36.44 | Lava_Croft | i also have no clue if it solves your problem, but its a more rigid way of deleting accounts |
| 13:37.01 | Lava_Croft | rigid is not the right word, but you get it |
| 13:37.02 | xip22 | under /home/user/.accounts |
| 13:37.08 | xip22 | theres the account.db |
| 13:37.13 | xip22 | i tried deleting this |
| 13:37.21 | xip22 | witch basically removes all the accounts |
| 13:37.24 | xip22 | still cant sign in |
| 13:37.27 | Lava_Croft | very silly question |
| 13:37.30 | Lava_Croft | can you login from somewhere else |
| 13:37.39 | xip22 | yep, sip works |
| 13:37.47 | Lava_Croft | does skype work on say, your PC |
| 13:37.50 | Lava_Croft | can you login to it |
| 13:37.52 | xip22 | ofc it does |
| 13:37.55 | xip22 | yep |
| 13:37.57 | Lava_Croft | thats why i said silly question |
| 13:37.58 | xip22 | im logged in now |
| 13:37.58 | Lava_Croft | :P |
| 13:38.44 | xip22 | i did install 2 days ago extraplugins |
| 13:38.51 | xip22 | the new version |
| 13:39.05 | xip22 | do you think it may have broken skype ? |
| 13:39.05 | xip22 | anyone else using it ? |
| 13:39.13 | Lava_Croft | look on TMO? |
| 13:39.33 | Lava_Croft | iirc theres a thread about extra-accounts-plugins or whatever |
| 13:39.58 | xip22 | ill take a look |
| 13:40.02 | njsf | sometimes account management does get some corruption and starts acting up |
| 13:40.21 | xip22 | njsf: : how to fix ? |
| 13:41.00 | njsf | I had that and fixed it but forgot |
| 13:41.11 | njsf | searching for the bug in harmattan-bugs.nokia.com |
| 13:41.18 | xip22 | ty |
| 13:42.47 | rigo | downgrade disallowed |
| 13:46.18 | xip22 | nj you here ? :p |
| 13:46.32 | njsf | me ? |
| 13:46.42 | njsf | I can't find it anymore |
| 13:48.43 | njsf | I think I may have had to do a reflash |
| 13:48.53 | xip22 | thats what i fear |
| 13:48.54 | njsf | but that is a pain :/ |
| 13:48.55 | xip22 | holy shit |
| 13:48.58 | xip22 | :( |
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| 13:49.32 | njsf | are you comfortable editing sqlite db's ? |
| 13:50.00 | xip22 | no |
| 13:50.02 | njsf | you _might_ get around it by entering developer mode and fussing around the accounts database |
| 13:50.15 | njsf | yeah, I don't have step-by-step instructions either |
| 13:50.27 | njsf | I have the same problem now with MeeIn |
| 13:50.35 | xip22 | :| |
| 13:50.42 | njsf | But since I rarely use it, I don't mind it |
| 13:50.43 | rigo | what are the dcp and vpl files for and the signature.bin files. Do I need all files to flash my phone to something else than the initial area? |
| 13:51.54 | xip22 | whats meein ? |
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| 13:52.06 | rigo | a linkedin client |
| 13:52.33 | xip22 | its quite frustrating, i use skype a lot |
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| 13:55.48 | rigo | xip22, delete your skype account, go to your homedir (user) and move .Skype out of the way (mv .Skype 120709-skype) , reboot, create a new account and try again |
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| 15:57.50 | Xipp2 | guys i fucked up all my accounts |
| 15:57.56 | Xipp2 | any help to solve the issue |
| 15:57.59 | Xipp2 | is welcome |
| 15:58.08 | Xipp2 | nokia n9 - pr 1.3 |
| 15:58.15 | niwakame | define "f**** up" |
| 15:58.17 | Xipp2 | cant add any account |
| 15:58.30 | Xipp2 | it started with skype, then i deleted all the accounts |
| 15:58.37 | Xipp2 | and tried to red them |
| 15:58.42 | Xipp2 | and it says "error unknown" |
| 15:58.49 | Xipp2 | *readd |
| 15:59.11 | Xipp2 | i just flashed the phone, i really woudlnt love to reflash it again |
| 15:59.16 | Xipp2 | cant find any solution on TMO |
| 15:59.40 | Xipp2 | cant add and log in on nokia account, gmail, skype etc etc |
| 15:59.42 | Lava_Croft | if you just flashed it, flashing it again doesnt seem to really matter |
| 15:59.53 | niwakame | accounts are stored in mmc |
| 15:59.55 | Xipp2 | Lava_Croft: i spent like 3 hours redownloading all my apps |
| 16:00.07 | Lava_Croft | let it download while you go to bed |
| 16:00.10 | niwakame | Xipp2: you can only download them 5 times from ovi store |
| 16:00.14 | niwakame | keep that in mind |
| 16:00.18 | Xipp2 | yeah... |
| 16:00.28 | niwakame | ok |
| 16:00.48 | niwakame | it doesn't work with all kinds of accounts? |
| 16:00.55 | Xipp2 | no account work |
| 16:01.13 | niwakame | you know how to use the terminal? |
| 16:01.16 | Xipp2 | yeah |
| 16:01.25 | Xipp2 | im a sysop actually |
| 16:01.26 | niwakame | then fire that up and lets check |
| 16:01.36 | Xipp2 | no syslog logging |
| 16:01.41 | Xipp2 | where should i check |
| 16:01.41 | Xipp2 | and what |
| 16:01.55 | Xipp2 | i have terminals open in front of me |
| 16:02.08 | niwakame | could you check the output of "mc-tool list" |
| 16:02.32 | Xipp2 | ring/tel/ring mmscm/mms/mms0 |
| 16:02.39 | niwakame | (do not post here, contains sensitive data at some entries) |
| 16:02.51 | niwakame | no spirit/skype/<username> ? |
| 16:03.17 | Xipp2 | theres no account |
| 16:03.20 | Xipp2 | at all |
| 16:03.21 | niwakame | kk |
| 16:03.29 | Xipp2 | as i said ive removed em all |
| 16:03.49 | niwakame | and now when you try to add it isn't working |
| 16:03.55 | Xipp2 | yeah |
| 16:03.58 | niwakame | kay |
| 16:04.06 | Xipp2 | it all started with skype saying that my password was wrong |
| 16:04.15 | Xipp2 | then i tried to remove all |
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| 16:04.21 | Xipp2 | and now im at this point |
| 16:04.27 | niwakame | I have to check the location of the DB file, wait a moment pls |
| 16:04.43 | Xipp2 | i believe the db to be under /home/user/.accounts |
| 16:04.48 | Xipp2 | but thats not all |
| 16:04.53 | Xipp2 | removing it wont fix |
| 16:05.21 | niwakame | did you remove the .bak file also? |
| 16:05.28 | niwakame | (or moving it outside of the directory) |
| 16:05.32 | Xipp2 | no i didnt |
| 16:05.57 | niwakame | ok, could you check the size of both files? |
| 16:06.01 | niwakame | do a ls -lisah |
| 16:06.18 | Xipp2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 29696 Jul 4 11:30 accounts.db.bak |
| 16:06.29 | Xipp2 | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 14336 Jul 9 17:18 accounts.db |
| 16:06.38 | Xipp2 | let me try renaming the dir |
| 16:06.41 | Xipp2 | and rebooting |
| 16:06.45 | niwakame | uhm |
| 16:06.49 | niwakame | no |
| 16:06.55 | Xipp2 | no? |
| 16:07.01 | niwakame | do a |
| 16:07.14 | niwakame | mkdir /home/user/.accounts/backup |
| 16:07.25 | niwakame | and then move the files there |
| 16:07.28 | Xipp2 | its the same |
| 16:07.45 | niwakame | not if the directory has special permissions / the dev forgot to implement a directory creation process |
| 16:08.06 | niwakame | and I'm betting on the 2nd case here :P |
| 16:08.10 | Xipp2 | ok |
| 16:08.11 | Xipp2 | did it |
| 16:08.14 | Xipp2 | reboot time ? |
| 16:08.22 | niwakame | do a mc-tool list first |
| 16:08.33 | Xipp2 | same output as before |
| 16:08.46 | niwakame | ok, if it now isn't booting anymore, it's not my fault ;P |
| 16:08.50 | niwakame | but try |
| 16:09.03 | niwakame | If everything fails, you have to flash mmc anyways |
| 16:09.20 | Xipp2 | i hardly see how it couldnt boot with the account db being moved |
| 16:09.22 | Xipp2 | ill take the risk |
| 16:09.34 | niwakame | yeah, shouldn't happen |
| 16:09.54 | Xipp2 | rebooting |
| 16:10.23 | niwakame | there was also a way to access the db with an sqlite3 executable |
| 16:10.53 | Xipp2 | assuming those were the db files |
| 16:11.00 | niwakame | they should be |
| 16:11.06 | Xipp2 | im looking for |
| 16:11.22 | Xipp2 | i think theres somewhere else |
| 16:12.00 | niwakame | well, there's the signon part |
| 16:12.49 | niwakame | but you can't access it |
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| 16:13.01 | Xipp2_ | ok its me again |
| 16:13.03 | niwakame | oh dropped |
| 16:13.03 | Xipp2_ | phone booted |
| 16:13.20 | Xipp2_ | ill try connecting via ssh to check for db files being created a new |
| 16:13.20 | niwakame | check if the files are there |
| 16:13.23 | niwakame | yup |
| 16:13.43 | Xipp2_ | ok they were |
| 16:13.52 | niwakame | then try to add skype |
| 16:13.59 | niwakame | (it should show up in mc-tool list) |
| 16:14.03 | Xipp2_ | ill try with nokia account first |
| 16:14.33 | Xipp2_ | same |
| 16:14.33 | Xipp2_ | unknown error :p |
| 16:14.42 | niwakame | try skype please |
| 16:14.58 | Xipp2_ | ok |
| 16:15.08 | niwakame | they are added a bit different |
| 16:15.10 | Xipp2_ | same |
| 16:15.15 | niwakame | ok that's bad |
| 16:15.16 | Xipp2_ | "the account wont be saved" msg |
| 16:15.21 | Xipp2_ | cant add |
| 16:15.29 | niwakame | could you check the output of dmesg ? |
| 16:15.52 | Xipp2_ | ofc |
| 16:16.01 | niwakame | ofc? |
| 16:16.09 | Xipp2_ | ofcourse |
| 16:16.12 | niwakame | ;) |
| 16:16.30 | niwakame | 2nd thing would be a tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 16:16.36 | niwakame | ahh |
| 16:16.40 | niwakame | tail /var/log/syslog |
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| 16:17.48 | xipp2 | again me |
| 16:18.19 | xipp2 | in dmesg theres nothing relevant |
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| 16:18.38 | xipp2 | :( |
| 16:18.44 | niwakame | tail /var/log/syslog |
| 16:18.46 | xipp2 | in syslog nothing is being logged |
| 16:18.51 | niwakame | kay |
| 16:19.20 | xipp2 | plz help :( |
| 16:19.24 | niwakame | then it seems your signon db or file system is flawed |
| 16:19.28 | niwakame | at least my guess here |
| 16:19.44 | xipp2 | signondb someone else already |
| 16:19.47 | xipp2 | pointed it out |
| 16:19.54 | xipp2 | but seems like i need inception to fix it |
| 16:19.57 | niwakame | problem is, that you can't access it |
| 16:19.58 | niwakame | yeah |
| 16:20.03 | niwakame | it's protected by aegis-fs |
| 16:20.13 | xipp2 | how to fix ? imma get inception right now |
| 16:20.31 | niwakame | throws xipp2 in DocScrutinizer05's direction |
| 16:21.23 | xipp2 | whatever ill check later imma go home now |
| 16:21.26 | xipp2 | :p |
| 16:21.27 | niwakame | yeah ok |
| 16:21.29 | niwakame | :) |
| 16:21.30 | xipp2 | thanks |
| 16:21.33 | niwakame | np |
| 16:21.39 | xipp2 | later |
| 16:23.31 | niwakame | bah, now I need to do a HMAC-SHA1 encoding |
| 16:24.07 | niwakame | itsnotabigtruck: could you send me the url of your repository for the oauth packages? |
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| 16:31.41 | niwakame | itsnotabigtruck: nevermind |
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| 17:09.15 | Namek | Hi, I'm trying to make a daemon that has a DB and also a DBus interface, no problem with coding that, if I use the autogenerated aegis file everything works well but my daemon is launched as nobody so I can't write onto the DB, I modified the aegis file to run the app as user but now I can't register the dbus interface, can someone help me please |
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| 17:39.04 | thp | Namek: you might have to source the profile file |
| 17:40.01 | thp | Namek: in the upstart file, have an exec line like this: "exec /usr/bin/aegis-exec -s -u user /bin/sh -c "source /etc/profile && exec /path/to/your/binary"" |
| 17:42.46 | Namek | thp: Thank you so much I will try that |
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| 18:43.29 | jonni | Namek: or pastebin you aegis file, maybe your dbus interface definition is buggy somehow? |
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| 18:45.18 | jesuschrist^ | hey all |
| 18:45.30 | Namek | jonni: I'm at work now, I didn't bring my source, but thanks I will try what thp said and if that doesn't work I will ask for your help again :) |
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| 18:52.10 | jonni | dbus interface aegis examples in here http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Aegis_manifest_syntax.html |
| 18:54.48 | jesuschrist^ | jonni woudl you please give me the command to fix the signondb again please ? |
| 18:54.56 | jesuschrist^ | i was at work before |
| 18:55.38 | Namek | jonni: I have read that and I was following it but it doesn't work, maybe I have something wrong in my aegis file I will post it as soon as I can, thanks again :) |
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| 19:10.44 | jesuschrist^ | guys if i remove signon.db from the /home/user |
| 19:10.57 | jesuschrist^ | since there are strong suspects its corrupt |
| 19:11.08 | jesuschrist^ | would i brick my n9 ? |
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| 19:32.03 | ladoga | hihi |
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| 19:36.00 | ladoga | Kozzi: rtmpdump compiles fine in scratchbox without any voodoo |
| 19:40.40 | ladoga | tho it makes libs and stuff so would be good to package it...atleast to make install and removal straightforward |
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| 20:28.27 | khertan | Hello ! |
| 20:28.45 | khertan | Does someone can say me if pr1.3 contain an updated pyside package ? |
| 20:29.03 | khertan | didn't have an n9 :) |
| 20:38.47 | thp | khertan: python-pyside is 1.0.7-1maemo2+0m6 |
| 20:38.59 | khertan | thp: thx |
| 20:39.30 | khertan | i ll try to get it from 001 repository to see if the bug making segfault in KhtEditor is fixed, thx |
| 20:43.12 | khertan | damn, same bugged version than pr1.2 |
| 20:43.14 | khertan | grrr |
| 20:43.18 | khertan | thx thp |
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| 20:44.37 | khertan | thp: did you know if it s possible to provide an updated package from community cobs ? as it s protected by aegis ? |
| 20:46.11 | thp | khertan: you could use inception to replace the package afaiui |
| 20:46.52 | khertan | thp: yeah of course, but not really something i can ask to an end user |
| 20:54.49 | thp | khertan: indeed :/ |
| 20:56.38 | khertan | did you know any way to discover what can leak battery when device idle ? |
| 20:56.52 | khertan | idle avg consumption 131mA |
| 20:56.59 | khertan | like when powered |
| 20:57.03 | khertan | a bit too much |
| 20:57.20 | khertan | only 2 or 3 hours of battery in idle |
| 20:57.21 | jesuschrist^ | do you have uptimer installed khertan ? |
| 20:57.45 | khertan | nope, what is it ? |
| 20:57.53 | jesuschrist^ | fine, battery icon ? |
| 20:58.12 | jesuschrist^ | any other app with some daemon running background ? |
| 20:58.17 | jesuschrist^ | email push ? |
| 20:59.05 | khertan | except exchange running (every hour) ... profilomatic ... MeeCast (every 4 hours) |
| 21:00.44 | rigo | khertan, tried to install your app, even bought it, but download failed |
| 21:01.20 | rigo | but I'm having general wrestlings with PR 1.3, SFR locked me out |
| 21:01.46 | khertan | rigo: KhtSimpleText ? |
| 21:02.06 | khertan | sfr ... haha ... worst isp |
| 21:02.12 | khertan | i know i'm at sfr too |
| 21:02.14 | khertan | :) |
| 21:04.03 | khertan | rigo: so you have paid and wasn't been able to install the apps ? |
| 21:05.12 | rigo | yep |
| 21:05.50 | rigo | I don't mind, but just so you know. I haven' t exhausted my downloads yet |
| 21:06.14 | khertan | let me reinstalling my tools (my n950 was cleaning himself, and i will send you a package to download) |
| 21:06.28 | rigo | but I have an awful time getting my N9 straight after having it flashed to PR 1.3 |
| 21:06.57 | arcean_ | khertan, run 'top' and check what's stressing cpu |
| 21:07.03 | rigo | developer-mode doesn't install, 3G doesn't work anymore etc.... really the full hacking challenge :( |
| 21:07.22 | khertan | arcean_: nothing seems to stress the cpu |
| 21:07.52 | khertan | arcean_: and worse, battery monitor said that 1% is due to cpu, 99% to other hardware |
| 21:07.54 | jesuschrist^ | maybe its khtsimpletext ;p |
| 21:08.04 | khertan | jesuschrist^: not yet resintalled :) |
| 21:08.28 | arcean_ | khertan, so have a nice evening reflashing n950 :D |
| 21:09.22 | khertan | arcean_: you think ? .... will be the 10 or 12 time |
| 21:09.23 | khertan | only |
| 21:09.48 | khertan | i will probably come back to n900 |
| 21:10.00 | arcean_ | hmm, so you think it's a hardware malfunction? |
| 21:10.20 | khertan | maybe ... but how to found it |
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| 21:13.15 | jesuschrist^ | only way is to reflash |
| 21:13.22 | jesuschrist^ | and see if the battery keeps draining |
| 21:13.38 | khertan | jesuschrist^: it will not happen after reflash |
| 21:13.47 | khertan | but a week later, will occur again |
| 21:13.52 | jesuschrist^ | then its not hardware |
| 21:14.10 | khertan | without installing anything or changing any settings |
| 21:14.18 | khertan | even adding an account |
| 21:14.32 | khertan | just letting it sleeping on the desktop |
| 21:16.05 | khertan | jesuschrist^: but where does it come from so ? |
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| 21:16.41 | khertan | jesuschrist^: anyway, sometime n950 lose phone network and never recover it, without a reboot |
| 21:16.53 | jesuschrist^ | never had a n950 |
| 21:16.55 | khertan | so i tend to think it s hardware |
| 21:17.18 | arcean_ | khertan, my n950 has even better GSM and WiFi reception than N9 |
| 21:17.19 | jesuschrist^ | im going to reflash my n9 |
| 21:17.21 | jesuschrist^ | btw |
| 21:17.30 | arcean_ | especially wifi |
| 21:18.50 | khertan | arcean_: funny, mine have worse than my n900 |
| 21:19.48 | arcean_ | yeah, I've heard that some n950 have problems with gsm reception :/ |
| 21:20.30 | khertan | arcean_: some have same problem with n9 too |
| 21:20.50 | khertan | and it s look like it s happen more with some isp |
| 21:22.29 | arcean_ | that may be a reason too |
| 21:23.44 | jesuschrist^ | i cant login in skype anymore |
| 21:23.48 | jesuschrist^ | anyone has any idea |
| 21:23.49 | jesuschrist^ | why |
| 21:26.51 | rigo | I need aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy but I can't find it in http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan/ |
| 21:26.59 | rigo | any idea where I can find it? |
| 21:28.41 | rigo | jesuschrist, there was a guy who had the same prob today and ruined his installation for nothing |
| 21:28.57 | jesuschrist^ | that guy was me probably with another nick rigo |
| 21:29.01 | jesuschrist^ | xipp2 |
| 21:29.02 | jesuschrist^ | right ? |
| 21:29.04 | jesuschrist^ | :p |
| 21:29.06 | khertan | rigo: say thx to sfr and they fucking proxy that prevent tar.gz and gz download |
| 21:29.09 | rigo | ok |
| 21:29.14 | khertan | this is why your download failed |
| 21:29.23 | rigo | not really |
| 21:29.28 | khertan | rigo: did you try with https |
| 21:29.38 | jesuschrist^ | actually i managed to get back to start rigo, still i cant log in in skype AND gmail |
| 21:29.40 | rigo | my download fails over wifi, and wifi is Orange |
| 21:29.47 | khertan | :) |
| 21:30.03 | khertan | not better :) |
| 21:30.03 | khertan | try in https :) |
| 21:30.03 | khertan | no proxy |
| 21:30.11 | khertan | rigo: where can i send you the package ? which email ? |
| 21:30.12 | khertan | :) |
| 21:30.19 | rigo | rigo@w3.org |
| 21:31.06 | rigo | but this is the smallest of my probs. For the moment, I reflashed it 3 times and still will not allow developer-mode to install |
| 21:31.11 | jesuschrist^ | rigo : any advise on the situation ? i really dont want to flash |
| 21:31.18 | rigo | allows that only over 3G and 3G is borken |
| 21:32.31 | rigo | jesuschrist, dunno. If skype works on desktop, then its local install. If you have reflashed, there is some hickup in user files. But I don't think you want to kill all user data either |
| 21:32.42 | jesuschrist^ | i havent reflashed yet |
| 21:32.56 | jesuschrist^ | i wont give up so easily :p |
| 21:37.56 | khertan | still no news about a pr1.3 for n950 ? |
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| 21:42.53 | rigo | khertan, thanks for the package |
| 21:43.46 | khertan | you're welcome |
| 21:43.50 | khertan | thx for buying it |
| 21:43.51 | khertan | :) |
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| 21:49.45 | goka_ | hello everybody! |
| 21:50.40 | goka_ | just quick question: can someone please point me the path where angry birds for N9 (original, not magic) store the scores, saved data etc? |
| 21:51.43 | goka_ | maybe /opt/rovio/angrybirdsclassic? |
| 21:53.59 | jonni | thats where the game is, scores are in /var/opt/rovio/... |
| 21:56.38 | rigo | jonni, any clue were I can find aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy for PR 1.3? |
| 21:57.00 | jonni | rigo: apt-get install aegis-developer-unknown-source-policy |
| 21:57.00 | goka_ | thanks! there's 2 .lua files in /var/opt/rovio/angrybirdsclassic, highscores.lua & settings.lua. just copying those files to my future flashed phone will get back my scores and all the beaten levels? |
| 21:57.13 | jonni | goka_: yes |
| 21:57.35 | jesuschrist^ | jonni plz could you help me with my accounts sign in prob ? :\ |
| 21:57.38 | jonni | goka_: just be sure to check the owner of the files to match, so better tar them |
| 21:57.47 | jesuschrist^ | (obviously if you can) |
| 21:57.58 | goka_ | jonni ok, many thanks! |
| 21:58.07 | goka_ | and how can i do that? |
| 21:58.51 | jonni | tar -zcvf scorebackup.tar.gz /var/opt/rovio/angrybirdsclassic/ |
| 22:00.29 | goka_ | man, you are such a lifesaver, thanks! |
| 22:03.33 | jonni | jesuschrist^: most likely you are better off reflashing the whole device, as its really hard to give advice without seeing what mess the current device is in, if you really dont want to reflash then you can try opensh; apscli -s signon-private:Se -D; rm -rf /home/user/.Skype; reboot; |
| 22:05.34 | ptl | Hi, is there a repository for the N9 where I can get stuff like screen, tmux, irssi, vim ??????? Sorry for so many questions marks but I just bought the cellphone and I'm trying to use it like a cellphone should be used, that is, like an Unix server. |
| 22:05.36 | jonni | disclaimer, normal people should never do the commands that I pasted there, as it really nukes all your signong credentials to kingdoms gone. |
| 22:07.13 | jesuschrist^ | jonni : what does apscli do ? |
| 22:07.14 | jonni | ptl: irssi is in ovi store, tmux and screen can be found from rzr&djzapi repoes, vi/vim is in nokia repo. |
| 22:07.50 | jesuschrist^ | anyway im already downloading the image with navifirm |
| 22:07.57 | jonni | jesuschrist^: its a commandline cli to mess with aegis stores. |
| 22:08.20 | jonni | jesuschrist^: (and its not meant for normal end users to use) |
| 22:08.23 | jesuschrist^ | i already tried to delete the .Skype |
| 22:08.26 | jesuschrist^ | anyway |
| 22:08.29 | ptl | I couldn't find irssi in Ovi store |
| 22:08.38 | jesuschrist^ | and i also deleted signon.db |
| 22:08.41 | ptl | and rzr's repository is not compatible with PR1.3 yet |
| 22:08.59 | jonni | ptl: http://store.ovi.com/content/212247 |
| 22:09.30 | jonni | ptl: tmux from rzr repo works fine with PR1.3, I installed it today to my PR1.3 |
| 22:09.45 | jesuschrist^ | screen works too |
| 22:10.02 | jesuschrist^ | just from the user who owns the terminal |
| 22:10.19 | jesuschrist^ | anyway im doing an hard reset, if this solves i wont reflash |
| 22:10.49 | ptl | hmm |
| 22:10.53 | ptl | thanks, I'll try again |
| 22:11.11 | ptl | I don't know why searching for irssi on "Loja" (means shop in portuguese) did not return irssi |
| 22:11.30 | ptl | but I got the text message to install the package |
| 22:11.31 | jonni | maybe you searched irssi and not Irssi :) |
| 22:11.41 | ptl | is it case-sensitive? |
| 22:11.45 | jonni | yep :) |
| 22:11.49 | ptl | damn! |
| 22:12.20 | jonni | or might be some other reason too, you never know :) |
| 22:12.38 | jesuschrist^ | jonni : anyway seems quite strange, because it seems credentials were stored in signon.db, yet moving the file didnt change nything |
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| 22:12.43 | ptl | what is the repository address you have? |
| 22:12.51 | ptl | no |
| 22:13.00 | ptl | it was not the case-sensitivity |
| 22:13.11 | ptl | I just tried to search for Irssi and it returned FingerTerm |
| 22:13.11 | jonni | jesuschrist^: credentials are not stored in only one file ;) |
| 22:14.08 | jesuschrist^ | i couldnt find anywhere else, there are some topics on TMO with ppl in the same situation and no advise, exept flashing |
| 22:16.58 | rigo | jonni, my 3G doesn't work, so I can't install developer-mode by switch, so I have to do that by hand. if i do apt-get install it won't let me as I am not root and I can't become root without developer-mode |
| 22:17.06 | rigo | catch 22 :( |
| 22:17.36 | ptl | wow |
| 22:17.46 | ptl | searching on the web ovi store also did not show irssi! |
| 22:17.48 | ptl | http://store.ovi.com/search?q=irssi |
| 22:17.52 | ptl | does that work for you? |
| 22:18.05 | ptl | can't understand |
| 22:18.23 | jesuschrist^ | no it doesnt |
| 22:18.50 | ptl | so it's not just me |
| 22:19.02 | jesuschrist^ | holy shit redownloading all my stuff is making me feel low :( |
| 22:19.37 | rigo | off the grid, tomorrow is another day |
| 22:20.14 | jesuschrist^ | jonni : so what are you going to do next ? |
| 22:20.36 | jonni | jesuschrist^: are you saying that apscli command and reboot didnt help? |
| 22:20.45 | jonni | jesuschrist^: if not then reflash. |
| 22:21.07 | jesuschrist^ | jonni : i didnt try apscli, i was already hard resetting... |
| 22:21.15 | jesuschrist^ | and im waiting for the n9 to finish |
| 22:21.23 | jonni | ah I was too slow for rigo, you can get to root easily otherways too, and developer-mode doesnt need root to install anyways |
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| 22:26.32 | jesuschrist^ | anyway i have strong supsects |
| 22:26.39 | jesuschrist^ | on extraplugins last release for this mess |
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| 22:27.19 | jesuschrist^ | so you found irssi |
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| 22:33.05 | ptl_ | no, I didn't find irssi |
| 22:33.23 | jesuschrist^ | what did you use then |
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| 22:38.37 | qwazix_N950 | Opera 12 is here :) |
| 22:38.38 | jesuschrist^ | wow hard reset failed badly |
| 22:38.51 | qwazix_N950 | But gives me download error :( |
| 22:39.11 | jesuschrist^ | time to flash :p |
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| 22:41.14 | tehdely | is it finally possible to set opera as your default browser |
| 22:42.48 | SpeedEvil | The fat lady sings! |
| 22:43.13 | tehdely | if it is, i will set it. i loved opera on symbian |
| 22:43.20 | tehdely | granted, grob is a lot better than the symbian browser |
| 22:43.23 | qwazix_N950 | Installed! And it seems to have support for maliit |
| 22:43.33 | tehdely | but the opera quicklaunch + double-tap-to-reflow are killer |
| 22:43.43 | qwazix_N950 | On the N950 it does weird things though |
| 22:44.04 | tehdely | does it support flash, or can i only use that in fennec |
| 22:45.29 | qwazix_N950 | how do you set it as def? pr1.3? |
| 22:45.31 | tehdely | still can't set it as default browser |
| 22:45.32 | tehdely | wtf |
| 22:45.46 | qwazix_N950 | me neither |
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| 22:46.31 | M4rtinK | qwazix_N950: similar issues |
| 22:46.44 | M4rtinK | maliit show up only in landscape |
| 22:46.48 | M4rtinK | and won't go away |
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| 22:47.23 | qwazix_N950 | M4rtinK, There is now a setting to hide it |
| 22:47.49 | tehdely | also, youtube videos won't play |
| 22:47.54 | tehdely | "you can't play these types of files on your device" nonsense |
| 22:48.03 | arcean_ | updates Opera |
| 22:48.05 | tehdely | is there a way to add codecs to Harmattan or no |
| 22:48.10 | tehdely | does it use gstreamer under the hood |
| 22:48.59 | qwazix_N950 | And you can always launch with --native-input or sth |
| 22:49.04 | M4rtinK | qwazix_N950: that what I had done - I've set "use Operas keyboard" to Never |
| 22:49.24 | M4rtinK | and it shows maliit, but is is stuck in landcape |
| 22:49.39 | qwazix_N950 | Lemme check tmo, cause the update overwrote my modified .desktop file |
| 22:50.13 | qwazix_N950 | M4rtinK, yes, true |
| 22:50.36 | qwazix_N950 | I thought you were saying it shows even with hwkb open |
| 22:50.45 | qwazix_N950 | Which it doesn't anymore |
| 22:51.00 | arcean_ | for me, maliit is stuck in landscape |
| 22:51.09 | arcean_ | *also |
| 22:51.14 | qwazix_N950 | It did on 11.50 and I had modified the .desktop file |
| 22:51.55 | qwazix_N950 | arcean_, N950? |
| 22:52.26 | arcean_ | yes, with PR 1.3 |
| 22:53.25 | qwazix_N950 | Still needs double return to accept input |
| 22:54.16 | qwazix_N950 | talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1215978&postcount=7 |
| 22:54.36 | qwazix_N950 | Although not needed after the update. |
| 22:54.53 | qwazix_N950 | goes to check behaviour on N9 |
| 22:55.56 | qwazix_N950 | Update manager too many clicks away... |
| 22:57.25 | qwazix_N950 | ...and needs refresh twice |
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| 23:11.39 | qwazix_N950 | Nah, same behavior on the N9 |
| 23:11.54 | qwazix_N950 | G'night guys (ugt) |
| 23:16.57 | Velmont | 00:48 * arcean_ updates Opera |
| 23:16.59 | Velmont | New one? |
| 23:17.12 | arcean_ | Velmont, yes, v12 |
| 23:18.00 | Velmont | Oh shi-. I should really follow Opera better. |
| 23:18.18 | Velmont | So, how can Opera make a setting to make it default? |
| 23:18.45 | Velmont | Anyone know what hook I should look at? Is it easy to do in a clean non-evil way from a package? |
| 23:32.05 | JackaLX | I'm in the middle of OTA update to PR1.3 on my N9 and for the last hour (no, I'm not exaggerating) it has been sitting on 90%. Should I be concerned? |
| 23:33.37 | JackaLX | Unfortunately I can't log in via ssh to see what's going on because the update has turned off sshd |
| 23:35.45 | JackaLX | The device still seems to be alive... I can short-press the hw power button and bring up the lock screen. And double-tap lock screen and come back to "MeeGo Update" screen with the progress bar |
| 23:37.02 | M4rtinK | JackaLX: check talk.maemo.org |
| 23:37.13 | JackaLX | k |
| 23:37.30 | M4rtinK | I think I saw a thread there about P 1.3 stuck on 90% (or some smilar %) |
| 23:37.34 | M4rtinK | *similar |
| 23:38.55 | JackaLX | searching now |