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| 03:28.37 | jabis | reinstalling scratchbox - gahhh hd failures are a charm |
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| 05:52.55 | beford | !flashing |
| 05:53.00 | beford | ~flashing |
| 05:53.00 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing_N9 |
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| 05:56.37 | japh | what? I have to install wine to flash my n950? |
| 05:57.20 | beford | I dont know |
| 05:57.48 | beford | I think you cant actually flash n950 with n9 firmwares |
| 05:57.56 | virtuald | don't think you do if you download the firmware with naviperl |
| 05:57.57 | beford | so just Oneclick flash |
| 05:58.08 | japh | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/firmware/ but this? |
| 06:06.18 | jabis | hrm - is there no way to cancel the default button actions, except freezing ui daemons - seems stupid |
| 06:07.18 | jabis | event propagation / bubbling would be quite essential -.- |
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| 07:56.24 | kimju | btw, does anyone know how to get url's for emmc images? naviperl only seems to find the system images? (and I don't have navifirm, nor even machine to run it with) |
| 07:58.21 | Jaffa | ZogG_laptop: pong |
| 08:01.04 | dm8tbr | kimju: I think someone mentioned you need to switch the server it talks to |
| 08:02.52 | jabis | ok so I can patch into dbus and freeze qmkeyd2 manually, but what daemon controls the powerbutton? |
| 08:03.14 | jabis | or rather which daemons is the pb latched |
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| 08:26.22 | Sniper_swe | how can i gain ssh root access in pr 1.3 |
| 08:26.37 | Sniper_swe | echo -e 'mkdir -m 0755 -p /var/run/sshd\nexec /usr/sbin/sshd $SSHD_OPTS' >> /etc/default/ssh |
| 08:26.37 | Sniper_swe | pkill -9 /usr/sbin/sshd wont work for me:/ |
| 08:27.43 | thp | Sniper_swe: why do you need root access? just set a password on 'user' and ssh into the device like that, then 'devel-su' your way to root-ness |
| 08:29.19 | Sniper_swe | yes a use it like that now and it works good with putty. want root access for filetranser true filezilla. |
| 08:30.39 | Sniper_swe | its not the end of the world if I cant get it. putty works good with devel-su |
| 08:32.00 | Sniper_swe | and usally i dont need to access root system in filezilla |
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| 08:43.19 | jabis | you on windows? |
| 08:44.29 | jabis | you can script some custom commands with wincscp to transfer the files from ex. MyDocs to root dir |
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| 09:05.57 | trench | wonder when my device is gone give me 1.3 |
| 09:06.55 | eman` | Have any N950 users here upgraded via naviperl downloaded images? |
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| 09:11.24 | vladest | eman`: do you know how to download n950 image with navifirm? |
| 09:14.21 | eman` | vladest: Nope. I'm wondering if anyone knows if N9 images work on it.. |
| 09:14.41 | vladest | not sure |
| 09:14.47 | Lava_Croft | i think they do, but im not sure either |
| 09:14.57 | Lava_Croft | so better get conclusive answer from someone first |
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| 09:32.36 | jabis | gahhh - impossible to overload teh powerbutton - or then I just have teh dumbs |
| 09:34.54 | jabis | too much stuff to include just to render a piece of hardware (or it's first event rather) useless, for the span of running the app |
| 09:36.50 | jabis | were it js - it would've been global.addEvent('click',function(event) { event.stop(); dothisinstead(); }); and done |
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| 11:50.36 | ZogG | Kozzi if you want audio check how |
| 11:50.40 | ZogG | Call Recorder do it |
| 12:04.26 | flux | hmm, are the music I get with the music store app somehow protected from copying, should I ever choose to buy something there? |
| 12:05.43 | flux | apparently they are protected. perhaps even annoyingly so that inception won't automatically help.. |
| 12:07.32 | alterego | I thought Nokia store didn't use DRM, but maybe I'm wrong .. |
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| 12:14.11 | ZogG_laptop | flux: don't they copy them to storage? |
| 12:14.37 | flux | zogg_laptop, they? storage? |
| 12:14.44 | flux | they are possibly .wma files with some encryption |
| 12:15.00 | flux | probably only the keys are aegis-protected |
| 12:15.06 | ZogG_laptop | i would buy if it ws mp3 in a bad case |
| 12:15.32 | ZogG_laptop | flac is my choise |
| 12:16.38 | pokk_ | hi guys.. i was wondering if meego/maemo would run on x86 devices, harmattan for example |
| 12:18.29 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 12:18.44 | SpeedEvil | In general, there are large binary components that are ARM only. |
| 12:20.51 | pokk_ | aha, i see.. but your talking about drivers and other hw specific low-level system stuff or in general for the majority of the software, e.g. the UI and so on |
| 12:22.22 | ZogG_laptop | pokk_: it would if you get all source and recompile rewrite certain parts and drivers for x86 |
| 12:23.23 | mankeli | well, don't harmattan packages compile already on HARMATTAN_X86? |
| 12:23.34 | pokk_ | probably nokia keeps big part of the code closed source, is that true ? |
| 12:23.38 | mankeli | and then you can use meegotouch thru xephyr |
| 12:24.20 | alterego | pokk_: why do you want Harmattan on x86? |
| 12:24.32 | ZogG_laptop | pokk_: yes |
| 12:25.03 | ZogG_laptop | mankeli: partly yes, but you not everything and what about drivers integration into closed parts? |
| 12:25.56 | pokk_ | no i just wander what kind of alternatives are there ... alternatives to android/ios, recently intel released two handsets with atom and android-x86 |
| 12:26.14 | pokk_ | for the asian/indian market |
| 12:26.43 | ZogG_laptop | pokk_: i don't think atom would win this war |
| 12:27.03 | ZogG_laptop | and if you asking if you can run harmattan on other device - answer is no |
| 12:27.12 | ZogG_laptop | pokk_: if you want new phone check bb10 |
| 12:27.15 | pokk_ | it's not about winning, but about being competitive |
| 12:27.35 | pokk_ | haha, yes i do want new phone.. i had n810 in the past |
| 12:27.43 | mankeli | ZogG_laptop: well yeah, not everything. dunno if harmattan talks to peripherials with standard linux interfaces or is there something propietary |
| 12:27.47 | pokk_ | now, haven't tried n900/n9 it's said what happend |
| 12:31.27 | pokk_ | ZogG_laptop: blackberry with proprietary os ? |
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| 12:46.12 | ZogG_laptop | pokk_: i was never against proprietary |
| 12:46.19 | ZogG_laptop | depends on quality and user freedom |
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| 12:48.38 | petteri | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.46 | ZogG_laptop | petteri: i think it's the same scratchbox you use for both |
| 12:59.55 | petteri | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:00.24 | petteri | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.10 | rigo | store it as favorite? |
| 13:01.53 | petteri | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.24 | ZogG_laptop | petteri: i think so, afaik some apps can use it |
| 13:05.01 | ZogG_laptop | petteri: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Using_location_and_maps_in_applications.html |
| 13:05.23 | ZogG_laptop | petteri: still waiting for your app om apps4meego and can try to help with building it there |
| 13:06.08 | petteri | :) |
| 13:06.33 | petteri | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.44 | petteri | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.12 | ZogG_laptop | even if it uses qml component that component probably using maps |
| 13:07.24 | ZogG_laptop | as well as i think you can pass data to maps app |
| 13:08.16 | ZogG_laptop | petteri: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/examples/api_showcase.html - i think this is inapp maps usage example |
| 13:09.30 | petteri | ZogG_laptop: thanks! |
| 13:10.29 | ZogG_laptop | petteri: it was good i searched for it for you, i may take few examples from there for my apps =) |
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| 14:20.19 | faenil | sup? :) |
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| 14:36.42 | TMavica | anyone know how to free up the swap memory? |
| 14:37.43 | TMavica | when swap memory at 0, the phone so lag, only way is to reboot, can I free up under xterminal? |
| 14:40.45 | azeem | TMavica: how much regular memory is free? |
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| 14:42.54 | TMavica | it strange, when sway memory got 0, free memory got over 100, but if swap memory got nearly full, free memory is below 100 |
| 14:43.39 | TMavica | but i just found the phone got laggy when swap memory nearly use up |
| 14:44.02 | TMavica | that moment i need to reboot to free it up |
| 14:44.24 | azeem | what unit is 100? |
| 14:44.31 | azeem | are you talking about percent? |
| 14:44.43 | TMavica | i tried swapoff swapon still cant free up the swap memory |
| 14:44.49 | TMavica | is MB |
| 14:45.20 | azeem | better pastebin the output of free |
| 14:45.29 | azeem | as in, "free" the command |
| 14:46.05 | TMavica | i just a newbie...any way to free it up instead reboot? |
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| 14:47.42 | azeem | TMavica: no, you can't free up swap - either you are seriously out of memory and need to close applications, or the phone is swapping, i.e. loading/unloading swap |
| 14:47.51 | azeem | at least AIUI |
| 14:48.25 | TMavica | i totally closed all apps, same. |
| 14:49.03 | azeem | how do you know how much memory is free? |
| 14:49.21 | TMavica | by drop cache information |
| 14:52.55 | azeem | TMavica: so how much swap is free? |
| 14:54.06 | TMavica | now my phone free is 190, swap is 0 |
| 14:54.13 | TMavica | very lag now |
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| 14:55.23 | TMavica | i dont reboot now, see whether the swap will go up for not, now all apps is closed |
| 14:55.56 | azeem | so no swap is used at all? |
| 14:57.12 | TMavica | now free is 190/985, swap is 0/255 |
| 14:57.22 | azeem | used or free? |
| 14:57.24 | azeem | sheesh |
| 14:57.44 | Rakkeni | :) |
| 14:58.25 | TMavica | ? |
| 14:59.24 | azeem | TMavica: what is drop cache saying exactly? |
| 14:59.40 | azeem | "Swap: free 0 of 255 mb"? |
| 15:02.22 | TMavica | yes |
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| 15:05.53 | faenil | guys, what do you think? https://twitter.com/faenil/status/221257590624104449 |
| 15:09.07 | ZogG_laptop | faenil: master |
| 15:09.48 | faenil | mmm |
| 15:09.57 | faenil | keep getting different answers :( |
| 15:10.01 | faenil | 2:2 atm |
| 15:10.23 | faenil | can you elaborate more? |
| 15:12.40 | Rakkeni | do both? |
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| 15:13.08 | Kozzi | ZogG_laptop: I want both the audio and video live streamed to n9 |
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| 15:19.23 | faenil | both' |
| 15:19.24 | faenil | ? |
| 15:21.05 | Kozzi | yeah using rtmpdump one can stream live tv streams to n9 |
| 15:21.34 | Kozzi | oh lol I though it was for me |
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| 19:51.24 | rZr | thp, #InterestingNews = @selop witch is on burning platform ? |
| 19:55.39 | thp | rZr: my personal wish would be OSS release of harmattan UI layer so we can customize it for cssu, but i'm not having high hopes ;) |
| 19:57.06 | rZr | makes sense |
| 19:57.09 | ajalkane | maybe we can buy it from @selop for 10€ once Nokia goes bankrupt in about 1.5 years |
| 19:57.36 | tehdely | yeah let's put together a pool to buy NOK |
| 19:57.40 | rZr | thp, something like mozilla project ? like aol vs netscape ? |
| 19:58.28 | ajalkane | We can just buy the Maemo/Meltemi parts + assorted patents. Nokia has no use for them anymore. Should be worth about 10€ for Elop :). |
| 19:58.35 | rZr | thp, i know already one company who will fit on a such project .... |
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| 20:18.59 | jesuschrist^ | hi |
| 20:21.42 | jesuschrist^ | anyone knows how is called the package of netview ? |
| 20:21.50 | jesuschrist^ | cant download it from ovi |
| 20:24.13 | jonni | http://store.ovi.com/content/214366 |
| 20:24.26 | jesuschrist^ | hey jonni sup = |
| 20:24.40 | jesuschrist^ | cant download it as i said, i think i messed up with repos |
| 20:24.51 | jesuschrist^ | cant download from browser either the buttons appear offline |
| 20:24.56 | jesuschrist^ | "offline" |
| 20:25.26 | jonni | store.ovi.com/content/214366/download or fix your repoes. |
| 20:25.52 | jesuschrist^ | hey ty |
| 20:26.45 | jesuschrist^ | i believe theres something wrong anyway |
| 20:26.53 | jesuschrist^ | but i cant determine what |
| 20:27.21 | jesuschrist^ | apt-cache search netview returns nothing |
| 20:27.46 | jonni | ofcourse it does as it is only supposed to find if after you have installed it. |
| 20:28.37 | jesuschrist^ | what ? |
| 20:28.45 | jesuschrist^ | thats untrue |
| 20:28.49 | jonni | apt-cache does not search from ovi store. |
| 20:29.02 | jonni | you cannot say apt-get install netview |
| 20:29.07 | jesuschrist^ | deosnt it search from the same repos as the store ? |
| 20:29.32 | jonni | nope, apt repo is different from ovi store repo |
| 20:29.55 | jesuschrist^ | oh i see |
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| 20:31.08 | jesuschrist^ | jonni : have you installed screen on n9/n950 ? |
| 20:31.13 | jesuschrist^ | gnu screen |
| 20:31.17 | jonni | yes I have |
| 20:31.35 | jesuschrist^ | where did you find the package |
| 20:32.58 | rZr | i think its in my place |
| 20:33.06 | jesuschrist^ | no its not rzr |
| 20:33.10 | jesuschrist^ | already checked :) |
| 20:33.20 | jonni | I think that one version is in rzt |
| 20:33.21 | jesuschrist^ | you do have tmux |
| 20:33.22 | jonni | rzr even |
| 20:33.42 | jesuschrist^ | wich it seems i cant install either |
| 20:33.54 | rZr | yes i have tmux too |
| 20:34.10 | jesuschrist^ | missing deps |
| 20:34.21 | rZr | in pr1.3 ? |
| 20:34.27 | jesuschrist^ | yeah |
| 20:34.35 | rZr | well this need to be fixed ... no pr1.3 here |
| 20:34.49 | rZr | i have to check this but I fear obs is not upgraded yet |
| 20:34.52 | jesuschrist^ | and btw anyone has a screen package to pass ? |
| 20:35.35 | jesuschrist^ | the n900 one doesnt work |
| 20:35.47 | rZr | btw https://twitter.com/rzrfreefr/status/221340605878501377 |
| 20:36.23 | jesuschrist^ | they did that for webos too |
| 20:36.33 | jesuschrist^ | didnt work well, i have a touchpad |
| 20:36.43 | jesuschrist^ | at least it didnt work well YET |
| 20:37.37 | jonni | jesuschrist^: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan%3A/applications/harmattan/armel/screen_4.0.3-14_armel.deb |
| 20:37.51 | jesuschrist^ | i have that |
| 20:37.54 | jesuschrist^ | doesnt work |
| 20:38.00 | jonni | works for me :) |
| 20:38.08 | jonni | and Im running pr1.3 |
| 20:38.09 | jesuschrist^ | maybe you could help me |
| 20:38.18 | rZr | cd / && mkdir -p dev/pts/ # ToDo MAKEDEV |
| 20:38.18 | rZr | for t in $(seq 0 9 ) ; do mknod dev/pts/$t c 136 $t; done |
| 20:38.36 | jesuschrist^ | thanks rZr |
| 20:38.40 | jesuschrist^ | ill try it now :p |
| 20:40.56 | jesuschrist^ | mknod: dev/pts/0: File exists |
| 20:41.07 | jesuschrist^ | mknod: dev/pts/1: File exists |
| 20:41.16 | jesuschrist^ | ~ # screen |
| 20:41.17 | jesuschrist^ | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check. |
| 20:43.23 | jesuschrist^ | im not running inception |
| 20:43.46 | jesuschrist^ | jonni : how did you make it work ? |
| 20:46.59 | jesuschrist^ | oh found out, root cant |
| 20:47.04 | jesuschrist^ | run screen |
| 20:49.15 | rZr | yes |
| 20:50.02 | jesuschrist^ | rZr any planning on porting pptp in your repo ? |
| 20:50.04 | jonni | Im root and I can run screen just fine |
| 20:50.24 | jonni | depends what user/group you set to the device. |
| 20:50.25 | jesuschrist^ | did you enable root login jonni via ssh ? |
| 20:50.38 | jonni | jesuschrist^: yes I have that enabled too |
| 20:50.48 | jesuschrist^ | yeah that way would work |
| 20:50.58 | jesuschrist^ | but i login via the user "user" |
| 20:51.10 | jesuschrist^ | who is the actual terminal owner |
| 20:56.45 | rZr | jesuschrist^, it would requiere inception ? |
| 20:57.20 | jesuschrist^ | mknod: dev/pts/2: Operation not permitted |
| 20:57.20 | jesuschrist^ | mknod: dev/pts/3: Operation not permitted |
| 20:57.30 | jesuschrist^ | to run what you pasted before :) |
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| 20:58.08 | rZr | if it works as user it's enough isnt it ? |
| 20:58.18 | jesuschrist^ | for me yes it is |
| 20:58.34 | jesuschrist^ | dude what are we talking about |
| 20:58.36 | jesuschrist^ | pptp ? |
| 20:59.09 | jesuschrist^ | i have no damn idea, i believe user priviliges would be fair enough |
| 20:59.50 | itsnotabigtruck | jesuschrist^: the mknod needs to be done with ariadne |
| 20:59.57 | itsnotabigtruck | (that's part of inception) |
| 21:00.56 | jesuschrist^ | yeah |
| 21:01.51 | rZr | now we're tomorrow ! https://twitter.com/rzrfreefr/status/221340605878501377 |
| 21:03.05 | jesuschrist^ | i wish they would open the UI |
| 21:06.04 | jesuschrist^ | im so fucking sad about nokia |
| 21:07.03 | itsnotabigtruck | :( |
| 21:08.43 | jesuschrist^ | still wondering, if symbian is gone |
| 21:08.46 | jesuschrist^ | and meego is gone |
| 21:08.51 | jesuschrist^ | and meltemi too |
| 21:09.06 | jesuschrist^ | what will be the feature phone os they going to make ' |
| 21:09.10 | jesuschrist^ | what will be the feature phone os they going to make '' |
| 21:09.13 | jesuschrist^ | fu |
| 21:09.14 | ajalkane | s40 |
| 21:09.15 | jesuschrist^ | ? |
| 21:09.35 | ajalkane | But basically... stupid is as stupid does. |
| 21:09.54 | ajalkane | Nokia's leadership is totally whacked. |
| 21:10.42 | ajalkane | Let us enjoy our maemo devices. I had my last Nokia phone for 5 years. I don't see any reason to switch from N9 for similar time. |
| 21:10.54 | ajalkane | After that the mobile landscape might be quite different. |
| 21:11.21 | jesuschrist^ | i miss a lot of thing on my n9 tbh |
| 21:11.59 | ajalkane | That's good. You miss something, you fire up the SDK and fill the need ;) |
| 21:13.01 | jesuschrist^ | im no developer, im a sysop :( |
| 21:14.02 | ajalkane | never too late to become a developer! It's kind of fun change of routine between changing diapers :P |
| 21:14.14 | rZr | i thought you were a profet |
| 21:14.52 | jesuschrist^ | im contemplating leaving IT as a whole |
| 21:15.12 | ajalkane | Jesus H. Christ. Don't tell me you've found god? |
| 21:15.39 | jesuschrist^ | i dont wanna die in front of a monitor :( |
| 21:15.42 | rZr | jesuschrist^, trust me : beware of cross |
| 21:15.58 | ajalkane | Monitor is a modern day cross. Accept your fate. |
| 21:16.05 | rZr | +! |
| 21:16.06 | rZr | +1 |
| 21:16.26 | jesuschrist^ | :( |
| 21:17.32 | ajalkane | But who is the modern day god that you can cry to "why have you forsaken me!"? Can it really be mr. Elop? |
| 21:18.05 | ajalkane | Oh my Elop... |
| 21:18.12 | ajalkane | Never realized. |
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| 21:19.44 | jesuschrist^ | technically im god |
| 21:19.49 | jesuschrist^ | so i have forsaken me |
| 21:19.50 | jesuschrist^ | :( |
| 21:20.09 | ajalkane | Get out of here. You're just son of man. |
| 21:20.42 | jesuschrist^ | depends on the christian sect actually |
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| 21:21.36 | ajalkane | I am becoming confused. Okay, I'm just content that you can make water into wine. |
| 21:21.57 | ajalkane | I think all the sects can agree on that fact. |
| 21:22.48 | jesuschrist^ | the divinity of christ was (is?) |
| 21:23.11 | jesuschrist^ | seen very differently from many christians grou |
| 21:23.14 | jesuschrist^ | p |
| 21:24.16 | ajalkane | Well, I think the sword has mainly taken care of those blapshemers denying the divinity of the christ. |
| 21:24.55 | jesuschrist^ | fuck yeah |
| 21:25.39 | jesuschrist^ | still christ as son of god originated in the V century |
| 21:25.47 | jesuschrist^ | 400 years after his death |
| 21:26.06 | jesuschrist^ | i need a girlfriend |
| 21:26.12 | jesuschrist^ | :( |
| 21:26.44 | ajalkane | The Higgs particle was found over 50 years after it's prophecy. True discoveries sometimes take time. |
| 21:27.06 | ajalkane | Okay, we still don't know if it's really Higgs. So it might still take more time. |
| 21:27.46 | ajalkane | Hmm... speaking of girlfriends. It is my understanding Jesus is supposed to date whores? |
| 21:28.00 | jesuschrist^ | jeovah witnesses still denies christ godness |
| 21:28.31 | jesuschrist^ | cant blame him, you pay, you get served, no bitching around |
| 21:28.35 | ajalkane | But those guys have missed end of world predictions so many times that I think we can discount their beliefs. |
| 21:28.42 | jabis | it's just a fucking particle - get over it x) |
| 21:29.34 | ajalkane | Yeah. If I wasn't married I'd say whores are pretty cool. Alas, I won't say it. |
| 21:29.36 | jabis | the theories've been utilised for multiple decades already - not such a big deal |
| 21:30.41 | jabis | I'm married and I can say whores are pretty cool - providing service for the needy & greedy |
| 21:30.41 | ajalkane | jabis: but it's the god particle! If we find it, and can open that goddamn particle, we will find Yahwe inside it. What would you do with a little Yahwe in your hand? I have some ideas. |
| 21:31.08 | jabis | squash the little bugger of course |
| 21:31.20 | jabis | or feed it to my cats |
| 21:31.27 | ajalkane | I can't say that. I think my wife would object to my sexual advances if I'd say that aloud :( |
| 21:32.06 | ajalkane | I think I'd store it in a goldfish bowl and look how he runs around in it |
| 21:32.14 | ajalkane | It'd be fascinating |
| 21:32.44 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, the trinitarian view is definitely the mainstream |
| 21:33.53 | jesuschrist^ | i thought protestants dont follow trinity for the most |
| 21:33.55 | tehdely | wait, someone ported screen to HARM? |
| 21:34.01 | tehdely | i need that badly :) |
| 21:34.02 | jabis | who made it "the god particle"? man - oh rite - mankind is stupid x) |
| 21:35.12 | jabis | I had screen at some point on PR 1.1 |
| 21:35.27 | jabis | rzr's repos I'd recall |
| 21:35.47 | tehdely | link to said repos |
| 21:35.53 | tehdely | are they something i can put in sources.list and start using? |
| 21:35.53 | tehdely | or not quite |
| 21:35.59 | jesuschrist^ | btw rZr thanks for your repos! |
| 21:36.17 | rZr | you welcome |
| 21:36.27 | rZr | btw since you're a sysop : |
| 21:36.27 | rZr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1233130#post1233130 |
| 21:37.01 | itsnotabigtruck | jesuschrist^: nah, most protestants are trinitarian |
| 21:37.19 | itsnotabigtruck | most non-trinitarian denominations aren't exactly very orthodox |
| 21:37.39 | itsnotabigtruck | and yeah, all that 'god particle' stuff is pretty lol :p |
| 21:39.01 | tehdely | yes, thx rzr |
| 21:40.12 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.dorkly.com/comic/33251/the-videogame-hype-chart |
| 21:40.27 | jesuschrist^ | im not following you rZr |
| 21:41.08 | jesuschrist^ | need help migrating stuff since tmp is going offline |
| 21:41.11 | jesuschrist^ | ? |
| 21:41.18 | jesuschrist^ | s/tmp/tmo |
| 21:41.25 | tehdely | which repo has screen |
| 21:41.28 | niwakame | gosh |
| 21:41.32 | niwakame | itsnotabigtruck: you there? |
| 21:41.35 | jesuschrist^ | openvpn is already there anyway |
| 21:41.35 | itsnotabigtruck | niwakame: yeah |
| 21:41.41 | itsnotabigtruck | and is there a date for tmo going boom? |
| 21:41.58 | niwakame | itsnotabigtruck: I have a problem with signon, mind having a query with me? |
| 21:42.11 | itsnotabigtruck | nope |
| 21:42.30 | jesuschrist^ | i have openvpn installed on the phone but i have to yet to try it, cant remember on wich repo i found it |
| 21:42.58 | jesuschrist^ | ii openvpn 2.1.3-3harmatt virtual private network daemon |
| 21:44.03 | rZr | <tehdely> which repo has screen |
| 21:44.05 | rZr | rzr:harmattan |
| 21:44.17 | rZr | i am gone |
| 21:45.00 | jesuschrist^ | bye rzr |
| 21:45.04 | rZr | jesuschrist^, yes the whole infrastucture will melt like ice under the sun ... nokia will cut fuel end 2012 |
| 21:45.36 | jesuschrist^ | i thought the tmo admin said he would give anyone having the infrastructure |
| 21:45.45 | jesuschrist^ | the backup and stuff |
| 21:45.55 | jesuschrist^ | i read it somewhere on tmp |
| 21:45.58 | jesuschrist^ | ahem tmo |
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| 21:46.35 | tehdely | it does not seem to be in any of them, i have just looked |
| 21:46.52 | jesuschrist^ | tehdely |
| 21:47.02 | tehdely | yessir |
| 21:47.43 | jesuschrist^ | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/djszapi/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan/armel/screen_4.0.3-14_armel.deb |
| 21:48.43 | tehdely | it whines on install: install: can't change ownership of /var/run/screen: Operation not permitted |
| 21:48.47 | tehdely | shall i incept? |
| 21:49.11 | jesuschrist^ | no |
| 21:49.32 | jesuschrist^ | simply do a chmod 777 on /varblablablah |
| 21:51.14 | tehdely | ok thx to you i have screen and thanks to rzr i have vim |
| 21:51.17 | tehdely | what more does a man need, really |
| 21:51.22 | tehdely | thank you both very much |
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| 21:52.53 | tehdely | hmm |
| 21:52.53 | tehdely | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
| 21:52.56 | tehdely | i assume this is some aegis nonsense |
| 21:53.03 | jesuschrist^ | exactly |
| 21:53.08 | jesuschrist^ | it works as user |
| 21:53.09 | jesuschrist^ | anyway |
| 21:53.21 | jesuschrist^ | not as root, unless you login as root |
| 21:53.28 | tehdely | yay! |
| 21:53.53 | rcg1 | the funny thing about aegis is to figure out whether you did something wrong or if it's simply aegis being bitchy |
| 21:54.42 | rcg1 | with "funny" as in "drilling a hole through your knee" |
| 21:55.33 | tehdely | now what i would love is a magic package which adds ALAC decoding to the music app |
| 21:55.41 | tehdely | but i am sure that is too much to ask :/ |
| 21:55.57 | jesuschrist^ | what the hell is alac |
| 21:56.01 | tehdely | apple lossless |
| 21:56.06 | tehdely | i've ripped a lot of stuff in that fmt over the years |
| 21:56.17 | jesuschrist^ | thats your punishment for owning an ipod |
| 21:56.38 | jesuschrist^ | feel the pain ! |
| 21:56.44 | tehdely | be that as it may, i sure don't feel like converting all that crap |
| 21:56.45 | jesuschrist^ | :> |
| 21:56.50 | tehdely | esp. given that iTunes is my main music player on mac |
| 21:56.59 | tehdely | i wonder if Muine is still maintained :> |
| 21:57.12 | jesuschrist^ | i think apple lossless is proprietary or something like that |
| 21:57.23 | jesuschrist^ | still my cowon plays it, unoffically |
| 21:58.02 | itsnotabigtruck | jesuschrist^: sounds like it needs some hacking to make it aegis-friendly |
| 21:58.05 | itsnotabigtruck | rather than a straight port |
| 21:58.45 | jesuschrist^ | are you talking about screen itsnotabigtruck ? |
| 21:59.01 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 21:59.16 | jesuschrist^ | its not my own work |
| 22:00.17 | itsnotabigtruck | though i don't really get the point of screen on the n9, really |
| 22:00.30 | rZr | ssh ? |
| 22:00.40 | rZr | well you probally use mosh |
| 22:01.00 | rZr | but screen is one of the 1st apps i wanted |
| 22:01.06 | rZr | 1st one was rsync |
| 22:01.08 | rZr | then git |
| 22:01.14 | rZr | zile |
| 22:01.14 | tehdely | screen and vim were on the top of my list |
| 22:01.16 | tehdely | now i have em both |
| 22:01.21 | rZr | i use zile |
| 22:01.28 | tehdely | i haven' teven set up sdk yet |
| 22:01.30 | tehdely | i'm slackin |
| 22:01.33 | tehdely | by the time i get around to it |
| 22:01.39 | tehdely | all the websites and instructions will be down/broken |
| 22:01.49 | tehdely | i want badly to port asterisk |
| 22:01.54 | tehdely | why _not_ run a PBX on my phone |
| 22:01.57 | itsnotabigtruck | o.O |
| 22:02.03 | jesuschrist^ | lolz |
| 22:02.07 | itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, i don't know what the precise problems are w/ screen but it sounds like something needs adaptation |
| 22:02.09 | tehdely | great would be if i could hook it into the telephony framework (somehow) |
| 22:02.14 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. that device node problem |
| 22:02.17 | tehdely | so that asterisk answered all calls instead of the phone app |
| 22:02.23 | tehdely | you could call my phone and get a menu |
| 22:02.31 | jesuschrist^ | yeah actually if there was a way to hack the codecs of the native SIP client on the n9 it would rock |
| 22:02.41 | jesuschrist^ | since in europe on 3g calls suck |
| 22:02.52 | jesuschrist^ | anyone tried ? |
| 22:03.03 | rZr | i mainly use wifi |
| 22:03.09 | rZr | and sip |
| 22:03.40 | rZr | has old n810 habbits :) |
| 22:03.59 | jesuschrist^ | using g729 would really help imo |
| 22:04.15 | tehdely | well i would like to have asterisk running locally. and configured as a SIP account |
| 22:04.19 | tehdely | so that the dialer app is actually placing calls through asterisk |
| 22:04.23 | tehdely | and also have asterisk answer all calls |
| 22:04.32 | tehdely | so it would effectively serve as a proxy between the phone app and the cellular network |
| 22:04.40 | itsnotabigtruck | does tmux have any issues on harmattan? |
| 22:04.43 | rZr | do you know about ofono ? |
| 22:04.45 | itsnotabigtruck | might be a better choice over screen |
| 22:04.49 | rZr | itsnotabigtruck, it worked for me |
| 22:04.54 | tehdely | nope |
| 22:05.02 | rZr | itsnotabigtruck, but i am used to screen shortcuts |
| 22:05.12 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah but it has permission problems and that rules it out |
| 22:05.40 | rZr | tmux : http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=term#misc |
| 22:07.17 | rZr | itsnotabigtruck, what do u expect from the following 24hours ? |
| 22:07.29 | jesuschrist^ | http://forum.meego.com/archive/index.php/t-5476.html |
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| 22:15.56 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: hmm? nothing :p |
| 22:31.10 | rcg1 | rZr: following 24 hours? |
| 22:31.43 | rcg1 | what except the common sun/moon rise/fall cycle is expected to happen? |
| 22:33.32 | azeem | he's probably referring to https://twitter.com/jukkaeklund/status/221325945024425984 |
| 22:35.23 | rcg1 | azeem: |
| 22:35.26 | rcg1 | alright |
| 22:36.06 | rcg1 | wrt to the term "interesting", i liked how mr spock differentiated between "interesting" and "fascinating" ;) |
| 22:37.13 | azeem | same for restaurant critics |
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| 22:39.30 | rcg1 | well, personally i prefer spock over any restaurant critic :) |
| 22:46.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | interesting |
| 22:46.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yawns |
| 22:47.47 | niwakame | Fear the power of highlight! ZogG ZogG_laptop |
| 22:49.39 | niwakame | Guess he's out |
| 22:51.40 | azeem | or your power is too weak |
| 22:52.37 | niwakame | Nah, it's the power of highlight, not mine. But in these days where media is all around it may have weakened |
| 22:52.50 | M4rtinK | lets try again: ZogG, ZogG_laptop we are you father !! |
| 22:53.08 | M4rtinK | dun dun |
| 22:53.15 | M4rtinK | dun |
| 22:53.45 | niwakame | See :) |
| 22:54.11 | niwakame | But that's ok for me. Forced development stops help to get sleep :> |
| 22:54.23 | niwakame | itsnotabigtruck: thanks again! |
| 22:54.40 | M4rtinK | my power-level is apparently also too low :) |
| 22:55.33 | niwakame | Lesson learned: When doing anything with internet based services that fails strangely, fire up tcpdump and check the transmission before trying to tinker with anything else |
| 22:55.44 | niwakame | m( |
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| 22:56.35 | itsnotabigtruck | niwakame: lol |
| 22:56.41 | itsnotabigtruck | later! |
| 22:57.58 | niwakame | On the other hand, it just could have told me "Bad request received" when it's already checking for damn status code 200 anyway! |
| 22:58.41 | niwakame | May be due to "I'll make this work for now, I only need status code 200. Code clean up will be done later" |
| 23:00.04 | niwakame | So I'm out. Sleep well / good morning / hope your lunch tastes good! [select depending on location and time] |
| 23:06.05 | itsnotabigtruck | if anyone feels like rolling custom firmware images |
| 23:06.06 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1233157&postcount=13 |
| 23:06.12 | itsnotabigtruck | i posted a summary of what to do |
| 23:14.08 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: I though that fiasco-gen images are only flashable to R&D cert devices, but maybe I havent checked if PR1.2+ bootloader would be more liberal. |
| 23:15.50 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: or are you sure that you can use fiasco-gen to CE devices? |
| 23:22.43 | jonni | and if I remember right, harmattan fiasco-gen isnt even avail to public. |
| 23:24.04 | itsnotabigtruck | you can flash any fiasco image you want, as long as the contents are acceptable |
| 23:24.18 | itsnotabigtruck | the image itself isn't signed, it only optionally contains an sw cert that is signed |
| 23:24.25 | *** join/#harmattan liar (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) |
| 23:24.49 | itsnotabigtruck | if you flash an image without an sw cert, it just keeps the old sw cert |
| 23:25.03 | jonni | ohwell, I'll have to then retest my old custom images that I did for R&D devices a while back just to see if they work on CE |
| 23:25.12 | itsnotabigtruck | if you don't flash everything at once, it puts you into open mode |
| 23:25.21 | itsnotabigtruck | same if you have anything that mismatches the sw cert |
| 23:25.48 | itsnotabigtruck | (which is much stricter compared to pre-pr1.2nolo) |
| 23:26.15 | jonni | yes, even the ram boot kernel triggers open mode |
| 23:26.22 | itsnotabigtruck | also all of that is just based on my observations, since you have insider knowledge some of that stuff might be clearly wrong |
| 23:27.04 | jonni | well I havent read the bootloader code for a while, so I'm not 100% sure, before I retest. |
| 23:27.32 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, and i know sparsify works because i put the n950 version of pr1.2 on my n9 with it :p |
| 23:27.56 | itsnotabigtruck | it was pretty glitchy though and i don't think it allows the battery to be charged |
| 23:30.27 | jonni | but anyways custom images are not a right way to solve the problem. for cssu or similar its just enough to have pgp signed repo with wanted packages, and have that key injected as com.nokia.maemo. |
| 23:32.06 | jonni | (unless there comes some more official way in the future) |
| 23:35.54 | *** join/#harmattan mschlens (~mschlens@e180007254.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 23:39.23 | azeem | itsnotabigtruck: cool! |
| 23:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonni: (unless there comes some more official way in the future) are you kidding? |
| 23:44.45 | jonni | DocScrutinizer05: well I have zero visibility what harmattan team has planned about possible sdk/cssu etc updates, I'm hoping that sdk would be updated and the N950 pr1.3 image released, but maybe I'm too optimistic :) |
| 23:47.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | ponders about cssu-HARM |
| 23:48.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | more sounds like HARM-HE |
| 23:48.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hacker Edition |
| 23:49.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | since you will need openmode for it aiui |
| 23:52.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I have to admit I lost all interest in HARM, since it seems like any devel trying to do any smarter things than just another random permutation of those 5 dozen QML widgets, well they all spend 5% of their time implementing the cool stuff and 95% they fuzz around with aegis to make it work |
| 23:59.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | jonni: btw you say there actualy *is* any such thing like harmattan team still? even after the latest 10k-fatalities cleaning day @ Nokia? |