| 00:02.53 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: just replied on teh thread |
| 00:04.15 | itsnotabigtruck | hopefully i don't appear to be overly hostile |
| 00:04.22 | itsnotabigtruck | and good luck with your job search |
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| 00:11.29 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: it was an ok reply. Even I felt wronged when they dismissed my application, but I have realised that there is nothing much that can be done, community has voted council as dictators, and in any resolution someone will get disapointed, if end results are adjusted then those that won and it would be taked away from them, would also cause bad blood. But yes everyone is free to have their own opinions, but there is no |
| 00:11.29 | jonni | resolution to problem which would make everyone happy. |
| 00:13.30 | jonni | (or there resolution would be for developer relations to issue 20 extra devices out of nowhere, but thats a bit unlikely scenario) |
| 00:15.30 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: heh |
| 00:15.45 | itsnotabigtruck | well, it's quite obvious that a solution that makes everyone happy is impossible |
| 00:15.55 | itsnotabigtruck | certainly not now that it's so heated |
| 00:16.39 | itsnotabigtruck | but either the councilors are in the wrong or they're in the right, and if they're in the wrong, why does the solution need to make them happy |
| 00:17.39 | heymaster | Hello, all. How to cast qsqltablemodel to qobject ? |
| 00:18.06 | itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: ... (QObject *)foo ? |
| 00:18.14 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: ok |
| 00:18.18 | heymaster | will try |
| 00:18.34 | itsnotabigtruck | i'd strongly recommend you read some c++ tutorials before writing anything with qt |
| 00:18.41 | heymaster | hehe :) |
| 00:18.44 | itsnotabigtruck | you'll save a lot of pain and tears |
| 00:18.51 | heymaster | i know :) |
| 00:18.56 | itsnotabigtruck | and in general all QSomething objects derive from QObject |
| 00:19.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: eh? |
| 00:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: dict transdickify |
| 00:19.47 | itsnotabigtruck | but also you need to know how pointers (and references) work in c++ |
| 00:19.50 | itsnotabigtruck | heymaster ^ |
| 00:20.02 | itsnotabigtruck | if you copy/paste that c-style cast i wrote it probably won't work |
| 00:20.34 | itsnotabigtruck | and you can't upcast non-reference/pointer values |
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| 00:20.55 | RST38h | Doc: TRANSDICKIFY (verb) - Magically turn someone into a dick. |
| 00:21.13 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: ok, will search for info |
| 00:22.29 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: qobject_cast<QObject*>(model) ; |
| 00:22.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: ooh, didn't realize *I* did that ;-D |
| 00:23.46 | itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: qobject_cast is unnecessary if you're upcasting |
| 00:23.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: however if I did, then probably by outright and sternly disagreeing on shipping custom kernel with CSSU-S/T |
| 00:23.55 | itsnotabigtruck | static_cast is just fine |
| 00:24.23 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: ok :) what is means upcasting ? |
| 00:24.31 | itsnotabigtruck | the C-style cast (type)value is a compact way of writing a static/reinterpret/const cast |
| 00:24.42 | itsnotabigtruck | again, you need to read about c++ |
| 00:24.58 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm trying to help but i'm not particularly interested in explaining c++ fundamentals |
| 00:25.04 | itsnotabigtruck | you need to know those *first* before diving in the deep end |
| 00:25.20 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: it means QObject derived object casts to QObject ? |
| 00:25.30 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it means casting up the hierarchy |
| 00:25.32 | itsnotabigtruck | toward the root |
| 00:25.35 | heymaster | ok :) |
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| 01:23.35 | heymaster | Can I create QSqlTableModel cast it to QObject and export to QML ? |
| 01:24.03 | heymaster | And assign to ListView Model ? |
| 01:24.09 | heymaster | I get error MainPage.qml:90: Unable to assign a function to a property. |
| 01:25.41 | heymaster | I rewrote model: server.getModel() |
| 01:25.57 | heymaster | ReferenceError: Can't find variable: name |
| 01:27.09 | heymaster | I get 3 error messages, exactly as my model has |
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| 01:35.42 | heymaster | http://qt-project.org/wiki/How_to_use_a_QSqlQueryModel_in_QML << I will try this |
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| 02:47.08 | heymaster | it worked :) |
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| 03:40.21 | ZogG_N9 | morning |
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| 08:07.52 | ladoga | rzr: packages with user/* fix (so they can be removed using phone's UI) and a minor description fix are at my ftp http://www.saunalahti.fi/ladoga/harmattan/yle-dl/ |
| 08:13.24 | denism | does anybody know - is Qt-on-Pi dead already? Looking for something else than my N9 / Tegra2 Trimslice. |
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| 09:22.21 | Lava_Croft | i want to slowly murder the person responsible for screwing up the n9 camera |
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| 09:34.34 | Velmont | :| |
| 09:39.34 | Velmont | jonni: Opera also needs people, Sweden is kinda close to Finland :] |
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| 09:46.15 | dm8tbr | I thought opera was from .no ... |
| 09:46.29 | rzr | http://www.arabtimesonline.com/NewsDetails/tabid/96/smid/414/ArticleID/184798/reftab/73/t/Nokia-cuts-to-claim-850-jobs/Default.aspx |
| 09:47.18 | Velmont | dm8tbr: Yeah, but sweden is closer to Finland. -- But yeah, I would like more people coming to Opera HQ, so then I don't have to be newest hire in my team anymore :P |
| 09:49.54 | rzr | wasnt there a rumour that fb will swallow opera ? |
| 09:50.04 | alterego | Sounds like a stretch |
| 09:50.29 | alterego | Someone should just buy the Salo factory .. |
| 09:50.39 | alterego | If I had millions I'd do it .. |
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| 09:51.47 | HtheB | hi |
| 09:54.07 | Velmont | rzr: Rumors are just that. I have no faith in it. |
| 09:54.51 | rzr | i have no faith at all |
| 09:55.26 | Velmont | Well, i think that was a wrong word to use, -- I don't think there's anything to it, I should've said. |
| 09:56.08 | HtheB | does anyone have some knowledge about hildon desktop? |
| 09:56.34 | rzr | not that much that stuff seems orphaned now |
| 09:56.59 | HtheB | rzr, we are trying to get maemo5 running in chroot |
| 09:57.01 | HtheB | for harmattan |
| 09:57.20 | HtheB | we managed many stuff already but there is still some stuff to do |
| 09:57.23 | HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84987 |
| 09:57.28 | HtheB | please have a look |
| 09:59.26 | rzr | HtheB, i tried that one too |
| 09:59.40 | rzr | best would be to build xephyr |
| 09:59.56 | HtheB | explain please |
| 10:00.16 | rzr | see |
| 10:00.22 | rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/ubuntu |
| 10:00.28 | rzr | we could do the same w/ m5 |
| 10:00.48 | rzr | we just need this dawn x server xephyr |
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| 10:01.52 | HtheB | hmmm |
| 10:01.56 | HtheB | got time? :) |
| 10:01.58 | HtheB | lets try it |
| 10:02.37 | rzr | what ? |
| 10:03.14 | HtheB | building xephyr? :p |
| 10:03.27 | HtheB | (to be honest, I think I didn't get it yet) |
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| 10:16.28 | rzr | no you got it :) |
| 10:16.56 | rzr | mer.deb did built it maybe that package will work |
| 10:17.02 | rzr | see what i mean ? |
| 10:20.38 | rzr | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://developers.solidot.org/developers/12/06/23/1026242.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://developers.solidot.org/developers/12/06/23/1026242.shtml%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-beta%26hs%3DBFX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=YRnmT8bIBsrB8gO-8bm1Cg&ved=0CCcQ7gEwAA |
| 10:28.08 | HtheB | hmmm |
| 10:29.05 | rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1226657#post1226657 |
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| 10:32.29 | HtheB | did someone made that package already before? |
| 10:33.03 | rzr | in m5 ? dont think so , but in mer yes |
| 10:33.25 | HtheB | youre the compile master |
| 10:33.39 | HtheB | (re)compiling stuff is your best thing |
| 10:33.40 | HtheB | :p |
| 10:33.50 | rzr | HtheB, i have harmattan tool chain , not fremantle here |
| 10:34.08 | HtheB | booo |
| 10:34.21 | HtheB | it is for harmattan though |
| 10:34.21 | rzr | should be easy to setup but i am short on disk |
| 10:34.27 | HtheB | arghh |
| 10:34.34 | rzr | no we should build it on m5 |
| 10:34.55 | rzr | since we will run it from the chroot right ? |
| 10:36.05 | HtheB | true |
| 10:36.30 | HtheB | but somehow we just couldnt get that stupid hildon desktop to work |
| 10:37.26 | rzr | well i used to start mer inside diable |
| 10:37.28 | dymaxion | Hi, has anyone had experience with using the N9 with external USB based power packs? I have one that offers both 5V/1A and 5V/2A outputs, however neither can charge the N9. I think it must be some firmware bug. The OS reports that there is not enough power to charge. Don't know why the N9 can't pull enough current? Anyone else seen this problem? |
| 10:37.28 | rzr | well i used to start mer inside diablo |
| 10:37.29 | HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1225906#post1225906 |
| 10:37.31 | HtheB | see last post |
| 10:37.46 | rzr | dymaxion, i used one on my n950 |
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| 10:38.52 | dymaxion | rzr, ever any problems? I've tried it on 2 other phones, no problem (one iPhone 3G, one Samsung GNote) so can only assume it's the N9 that has the problem. but whether it's my phone or the OS I don't know... |
| 10:40.52 | rzr | we can compare the specs of our packs what's yours |
| 10:42.23 | dymaxion | mine is an Aigo - PB8020 powerpack 8000mAh |
| 10:45.32 | rzr | mine |
| 10:45.33 | rzr | http://xoopardesign.com/products/product.php?id=34 |
| 10:50.14 | dymaxion | cute powerpack! :-) Mine's this one http://www.aigo.com.hk/products/100-aigo-new-designed-power-pack-pb8020use-for-ipad2.aspx |
| 10:59.08 | rzr | yours is 8k mine 1.5 |
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| 11:08.45 | ZogG_laptop | is it good? |
| 11:08.51 | ZogG_laptop | i'm thinking to buy one |
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| 11:09.54 | jonni | dymaxion: here's is how to make your external powerpacks detected http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83519&page=2 |
| 11:10.32 | dymaxion | It's good... nice design... i like the soft touch plastic coating... and it's got interchangable connectors for diff phones... (only cost me 300 HKD over here :-) |
| 11:10.39 | dymaxion | thanks jonni, I'll have a look at this... |
| 11:11.44 | jonni | basicly just get small usb flex adapter and short d+ and d- pins. |
| 11:12.44 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i missed the point of it? if i use native cable it wouldn't detect it? |
| 11:13.37 | dymaxion | so basically the solution at the mo is to short the data pins so that the N9 doesn't detect it as a data/pc connection.. and thus will just charge.. |
| 11:13.44 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: yep native cable would not detect it... or it you if you short circuit d+ and d- in native cable. Its just easier and cheaper to shortcircuit the adapter. |
| 11:14.07 | jonni | s/it/it would/ |
| 11:14.25 | jonni | blah bad search/replace. |
| 11:15.35 | ZogG_laptop | oh, the difference that it would detect it as computer/data? i can live with it for as long as it still charges |
| 11:15.42 | jonni | but anyways if you want to use powerpacks that are normally designed for ipads, then you need to do that kind of hack. |
| 11:16.31 | jonni | yes, after the shortcircuit it alwayus detects it as charger and not as comp/data. |
| 11:17.13 | dymaxion | jonni, so the question is why is it if it detects as comp/data why won't it still charge? if I plugged phone into computer it would charge so both use cases should still charge. |
| 11:17.53 | jonni | dymaxion: because it doesnt detect it at all, as ipad chargers use non standard detection methods. |
| 11:18.52 | dymaxion | I see... so in the intiial chat, where it's talking by whatevver voltage signing mechanism... the N9 thinks the battery is talking in klingon |
| 11:19.04 | jonni | yep |
| 11:19.05 | dymaxion | damm you apple !!! |
| 11:20.06 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: and how it works with android? |
| 11:20.10 | jonni | but anyways its really easy fix, and total cost is around 2-3 euroes and 5 minutes time. |
| 11:20.23 | dymaxion | i hate the way they always do things different just to break the standard mould... grr... well glad I have some spare micro usb cables around!..... only prob left my soldering iron overseas... |
| 11:20.32 | ZogG_laptop | s/how it works/how does it work/ |
| 11:21.13 | dymaxion | well if the N9 firmware got programmed with some extra knowledge of the iPad charge protoocol it would then be able to talk to it... but i guess that would never happen.... so no point trying! |
| 11:21.22 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: no idea, I havent seen any android phones yet in my life :) |
| 11:21.34 | dymaxion | android must either ignore all that and by default just charge like a dumb phone :-) |
| 11:21.44 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: they have usb to micro-usb as we do |
| 11:22.18 | dymaxion | my "ipad compatible" battery pack works with my g/f android phone... I'm gonna try it with my other symbian nokia 500 see what happens! |
| 11:22.20 | jonni | most likely they just ignore and accept the nonstandard thingie. |
| 11:22.45 | ZogG_laptop | dymaxion: afaik there is program for power for n9 and if it works like n900 it's not really nice |
| 11:23.08 | jonni | and the other adventage is also that normally data cables are only charged as 500mA, but with shortcircuit you get it on wall mode, so it charger 1A atleast |
| 11:23.30 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: is it healthy for phone? |
| 11:23.50 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: its healty, the wall charger that comes with the phone uses 1A. |
| 11:24.09 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i don't use it btw, i use n900's charger =( |
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| 11:24.29 | jonni | you get 2x faster charging with that compared to n900 charger :) |
| 11:24.37 | ZogG_laptop | as i got american socket and gave my adapter to grandpa with old laptop =( |
| 11:25.16 | jonni | heh get new adapter from dealextreme :) |
| 11:25.22 | dymaxion | well the android phone charges at 1A even from the battery... so it must just have some mechanism where it tries and ramps up the current and see how much the USB device/battery/comp can giev |
| 11:25.25 | ZogG_laptop | i hope the one i'll get in future would have normal socket |
| 11:25.51 | dymaxion | i wonder what the charge curve would be like for a 2A supply which my battery pack can provide.. prob fry the battery! :-) |
| 11:26.02 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i think to buy new charger, but i can't find good one, i want original from nokia, the ones with speed boost =) |
| 11:26.04 | dymaxion | unless the N9 will just draw a max of 1A.. |
| 11:26.44 | dymaxion | would be interested to get a Dev involved with the N9 to explain how the N9 is programmed to charge... |
| 11:29.41 | jonni | well yes with inception you should be able to patch bme to force wall mode, but I havent bothered to code it. was easier to make the adapter. |
| 11:36.11 | dymaxion | true... :-) jonni, btw did you ever check what charging behaviour does the N9 exhibit with the data lines on open circuit rather than shorted to ground? |
| 11:37.29 | jonni | usually it does 500mA or 100mA or just 0. |
| 11:39.03 | jonni | depending on what data lines tells the device behind it is. |
| 11:44.23 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: so it's bme also in N9? |
| 11:44.45 | ZogG_laptop | it is crap and closed like was in N900? |
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| 12:07.00 | Kozzi | s/hurhur/haha |
| 12:07.07 | Kozzi | hmm |
| 12:07.10 | Kozzi | s/hurhur/haha/ |
| 12:07.18 | Kozzi | hurhur |
| 12:07.20 | Kozzi | s/hurhur/haha/ |
| 12:07.26 | Kozzi | Hah! |
| 12:07.30 | Kozzi | nice.. |
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| 14:00.01 | Lava_Croft | grumbles some more at N9 camera |
| 14:00.13 | Lava_Croft | by the time the camera was loaded, the heavy thunderstorm passed by |
| 14:00.14 | Lava_Croft | >_< |
| 14:07.18 | Venemo | lol |
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| 14:29.05 | MohammadAG | Two N950 fatalities? |
| 14:29.24 | Lava_Croft | someone killed two N950s? |
| 14:30.30 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Said I did :p |
| 14:31.03 | Lava_Croft | :o |
| 14:31.25 | Lava_Croft | ill take any broken n950's too |
| 14:31.31 | Lava_Croft | just to stroke it |
| 14:31.41 | Lava_Croft | so, did you? :) |
| 14:31.55 | Lava_Croft | i mean, how does one get two n950s in the first place |
| 14:36.56 | jonni | you just need to win enough competitions... |
| 14:37.17 | Lava_Croft | that sounds too much like work to me |
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| 16:14.52 | Kozzi | wow the CA mess is more interesting than I though it would be |
| 16:25.28 | rzr | http://vimeo.com/44567643 |
| 16:25.50 | dymaxion | I tell you what annoys me about the N9 camera... is it's focus problems in high brightness / contrast scenarios.. |
| 16:26.00 | dymaxion | (stage lighting) |
| 16:26.13 | dymaxion | I was really really annoyed as it couldn't focus in both video and photo mode... |
| 16:26.26 | dymaxion | was overexposed too.. so had to manually dial down the exp comp... |
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| 16:27.39 | dymaxion | I was performing at the Mont Blanc opening party in Beijing... and had loads of hollywood movie stars on stage so close... but I couldn't get good shots...! whereas... sad to say it.. but there were some iphone 4s users nearby who shot with zero problems... |
| 16:27.41 | dymaxion | sigh :-( |
| 16:27.56 | rzr | the council has been setup my mr flop :-) |
| 16:28.09 | Kozzi | the video is passworded |
| 16:28.29 | rzr | Kozzi, cant you see it ? |
| 16:28.33 | Kozzi | nope |
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| 16:28.49 | Kozzi | dymaxion: I'm more annoyed at the amount of noise |
| 16:28.50 | rzr | too bad i can |
| 16:29.00 | rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1226754#post1226754 |
| 16:29.06 | Kozzi | This is a private video. Do you have permission to watch it? If so please provide the correct password. |
| 16:29.29 | rzr | i could at least |
| 16:29.33 | Kozzi | oh I was able to watch a moment a go.. |
| 16:29.34 | dymaxion | well I'd rather have noise (although yes I don't like the noise on the N9) but to miss the shot completely is worse than having the shot wiht some noise! |
| 16:30.09 | rzr | same oen at bottom |
| 16:30.10 | rzr | http://symbian-developers.net/nokia-air-cloud-storage-by-nokia-to-come-soon/ |
| 16:30.22 | Kozzi | wall I don't take pictures that often anyway but seeing those shots my N9 remind me of those taken by 5800 |
| 16:31.03 | Kozzi | I don't like ths development |
| 16:31.25 | Kozzi | cloud service is okay but having to rely on cloud services sucks |
| 16:34.09 | jonni | usually it helps when you remove the plastic protection screen in front of the lens ;) |
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| 18:19.54 | heymaster | Any good qml tutorial for functions, variables or it's not QML and I need to learn JS ? :P |
| 18:22.27 | ZogG_laptop | mostly js |
| 18:22.32 | ZogG_laptop | afaik |
| 18:22.44 | heymaster | I hate JS and never used it :) |
| 18:26.12 | heymaster | Any good JS crash course tutorial ? ;) |
| 18:27.56 | ZogG_laptop | http://www.codecademy.com/ |
| 18:28.31 | heymaster | too much time consuming :) |
| 18:30.41 | heymaster | I known programming basics, used many languages, but haven't mastered programming :) |
| 18:31.18 | heymaster | Looks like learning syntax every time :) |
| 18:33.23 | heymaster | I', searching something like "instant python" tutorial, but for JS |
| 18:34.46 | ZogG_laptop | than try the request in google |
| 18:34.54 | heymaster | ok :) |
| 18:39.04 | heymaster | http://eloquentjavascript.net/contents.html << looks like I found good tutorial/book |
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| 20:03.14 | heymaster | What component to use to make few labels with textedit fields ? Any grouping is needed ? |
| 20:32.43 | heymaster | us Item and anchor ? |
| 20:32.49 | heymaster | use* |
| 20:33.20 | piggz | heymaster: could also use grid |
| 20:34.17 | heymaster | piggz: thanks |
| 20:44.34 | beford | anyone have had problems with scratchbox? like after installing it everything works, but after rebooting the machine it stops working? |
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| 21:07.15 | ZogG_laptop | beford: not working like ... |
| 21:07.34 | beford | arm's qmake fail |
| 21:07.39 | beford | arm's apt-get fails |
| 21:07.39 | beford | etc |
| 21:07.44 | beford | can't install libs |
| 21:07.49 | beford | can't compile |
| 21:07.51 | ZogG_laptop | wierd |
| 21:08.01 | ZogG_laptop | beford: and what last commands you run? |
| 21:08.07 | ZogG_laptop | maybe update or something? |
| 21:08.25 | beford | can't remember, has happened a couple of times already |
| 21:08.27 | ZogG_laptop | btw how is your app? i heard there is dead line for it btw |
| 21:08.33 | beford | always have to reinstall and get it working |
| 21:08.39 | beford | well I submited it yesterday |
| 21:08.44 | ZogG_laptop | beford: not true linux way |
| 21:08.51 | ZogG_laptop | beford: to ovi? finished it? |
| 21:08.56 | beford | yea to ovi |
| 21:08.58 | ZogG_laptop | going for open source? |
| 21:09.02 | beford | sure |
| 21:09.05 | beford | I need to clean it a bit |
| 21:09.07 | ZogG_laptop | good |
| 21:09.10 | beford | but I will be publishing it |
| 21:09.33 | jonni | beford: there is a kludge to get sb working again if qmake fails.... |
| 21:09.35 | ZogG_laptop | before you are welcome to publish to apps4meego and github/harmattan |
| 21:11.12 | beford | jonni, like what? i've had to suspend the machine all this week instead of shutting it down to avoid it getting broken :P |
| 21:11.29 | rzr | hey have u ever submitted a symbian app to ovi ? |
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| 21:12.08 | HtheB | MohammadAG: you still here? :) |
| 21:13.02 | jonni | beford: sudo /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core restart and then relogin back to sb with /scratchbox/login |
| 21:13.34 | jonni | that usually helps on qmake etc command failures |
| 21:13.57 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: btw about bme and harmattan — https://gitorious.org/harmattan-goodies/bmecli |
| 21:14.23 | ZogG_laptop | the one who is like told by people do no deserve maemo conmunity price as nitdroid is not maemo |
| 21:15.01 | HtheB | any Hildon expert over here? :) |
| 21:15.22 | Venemo | HtheB, I'm not, but what would you like to know? |
| 21:15.24 | ZogG_laptop | HtheB: wrong chan pal, go to maemo or maemo-cssu |
| 21:15.36 | merlin1991 | HtheB: hildon, shouldn't you be in #maemo |
| 21:15.41 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: is a ninja |
| 21:15.45 | Venemo | HtheB, yup, #maemo is probably a better place to ask |
| 21:15.48 | HtheB | merlin1991: yes it does :) at least in this subject |
| 21:15.49 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991 is a ninja2 |
| 21:15.51 | HtheB | nope :) |
| 21:16.08 | beford | thanks jonni I'll check if it fails again |
| 21:16.12 | HtheB | we're trying to get fremantle in a chroot |
| 21:16.15 | HtheB | on harmattan |
| 21:16.22 | Venemo | LooL |
| 21:16.23 | merlin1991 | dafuq |
| 21:16.26 | Venemo | :D |
| 21:16.36 | merlin1991 | hm can that even work with softfp vs hardfp? |
| 21:16.49 | Venemo | it can, yes |
| 21:17.00 | beford | its working already, there is a video on tmo |
| 21:17.12 | merlin1991 | HtheB: chroot of recompiled hildon, or good old maemo repos hildon? |
| 21:17.24 | HtheB | beford: thats my video :) |
| 21:17.33 | HtheB | not everything works yet |
| 21:17.34 | merlin1991 | also I'm inclined to invoke ~ask since I'm still missing a specific question :D |
| 21:17.40 | HtheB | there are some problems on hildon desktop |
| 21:17.45 | HtheB | please check the topic on tmp |
| 21:17.46 | HtheB | tmo |
| 21:17.57 | HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84987&page=6 |
| 21:17.58 | merlin1991 | a link would be helpfull ;) |
| 21:18.00 | merlin1991 | ah here we go |
| 21:19.29 | merlin1991 | HtheB: your tmo nick is? |
| 21:19.51 | Venemo | so |
| 21:20.00 | Venemo | what would be the advantages of a fremante chroot in harmattan? |
| 21:20.06 | HtheB | merlin1991: HtheB ? :P |
| 21:20.25 | merlin1991 | didn't see that nick on the first page on the thread so thought you might use another :D |
| 21:20.46 | HtheB | Venemo: there are apps on Maemo5 which arent available on Maemo6 |
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| 21:22.41 | merlin1991 | HtheB: hm the last page of the thread has qwazix try it natively, and I didn't find an explicit issue |
| 21:23.05 | Venemo | HtheB, so port them? |
| 21:23.17 | HtheB | care to help us? :) |
| 21:24.04 | HtheB | I ain't a porter though :( (little knowledge) |
| 21:24.56 | Venemo | well, which ones are you missing? |
| 21:25.09 | HtheB | damned |
| 21:25.12 | HtheB | italy goes to semi final |
| 21:25.13 | HtheB | :P |
| 21:25.27 | HtheB | Venemo: to be honest |
| 21:25.48 | HtheB | I should call qwazix over here, but I think he's watching the soccer game (which ended just right now) |
| 21:25.52 | Kozzi | woho 4-2 |
| 21:26.12 | HtheB | Spain - Germany << final (/me hopes) |
| 21:26.21 | HtheB | Mannschaft ftw! :D |
| 21:26.27 | HtheB | anyway, that's offtopic |
| 21:26.39 | Kozzi | Germany yes.. don't care about the other one :D |
| 21:27.53 | heymaster | Football coming home :) |
| 21:27.58 | ZogG_laptop | beford: why do you have 2 accounts on tmo? |
| 21:28.16 | ZogG_laptop | i'm the only one who doesn't care about football? |
| 21:28.20 | HtheB | Venemo: I don't know what qwazix is trying to do now though |
| 21:28.35 | HtheB | ZogG_laptop: real men cares ;) |
| 21:28.38 | HtheB | heheh |
| 21:28.48 | merlin1991 | HtheB: from his comment he's trying to compile hd for harmattan directly |
| 21:28.58 | merlin1991 | and probably wants to start that in xephyr or something |
| 21:29.09 | HtheB | yes, rzr also told me something about xephyr |
| 21:29.12 | merlin1991 | though he'll still have the session bus colissions |
| 21:29.27 | ZogG_laptop | HtheB: i like to play not watch, i prefer watch sweaty women |
| 21:29.39 | HtheB | ZogG_laptop: lol! :D good one |
| 21:29.55 | HtheB | merlin1991: I think that everybody with some knowledge should join this project :) |
| 21:30.01 | ZogG_laptop | it's not like i thought of it, as it's true |
| 21:30.13 | beford | ZogG_laptop, just 1 account |
| 21:30.26 | ZogG_laptop | i don't have nor knowledge neither motivation |
| 21:30.49 | ZogG_laptop | beford: you have bef0rd and munozferna |
| 21:32.28 | beford | I dont have bef0rd :P thats irc only, munozferna on forums and maemo.org profile |
| 21:33.19 | HtheB | merlin1991: qwazix has some troubles with gtk |
| 21:33.30 | HtheB | but martinK had already ported gtk to harmattan, right? |
| 21:33.50 | rzr | more or less |
| 21:34.48 | HtheB | im totally lost T_T |
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| 21:36.19 | rzr | HtheB, so we are all |
| 21:36.29 | HtheB | :D |
| 21:39.19 | ZogG_laptop | welcome to the club |
| 21:40.05 | ZogG_laptop | beford: you have 38 posts for about 2+ years =) |
| 21:40.10 | HtheB | glad that I can run some apps already |
| 21:40.20 | HtheB | from fremantle on harmattan |
| 21:40.29 | beford | ZogG_laptop, I know. I hate forums :P |
| 21:40.49 | beford | ZogG_laptop, also, I was not registered when it was called internet tablet talk |
| 21:41.26 | merlin1991 | hm 61 in 2 years |
| 21:41.29 | merlin1991 | not that much either |
| 21:42.31 | ZogG_laptop | beford: me too, i joined whan i got n900 |
| 21:42.37 | HtheB | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.07 | ZogG_laptop | now everyone take out their penises |
| 21:43.19 | HtheB | nope... I ain't gay ... |
| 21:43.21 | HtheB | O_o |
| 21:43.33 | ZogG_laptop | Join Date: 02-20-10 Total Posts: 849 |
| 21:43.50 | Venemo | lol |
| 21:43.53 | merlin1991 | ZogG_laptop: one day your e-penis is going to be so big, that it doesn't fit through the login screen anymore |
| 21:43.57 | ZogG_laptop | HtheB: not literurally |
| 21:44.06 | merlin1991 | ;) |
| 21:44.09 | Venemo | ZogG_laptop, you forgot the number of your thankses |
| 21:44.20 | HtheB | Total thanks: 951 |
| 21:44.36 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: i hope u are joking |
| 21:44.50 | merlin1991 | ZogG_laptop: I added a ;) later on |
| 21:44.52 | ZogG_laptop | Venemo: i have full of pockets of thanks |
| 21:44.57 | Venemo | :P |
| 21:45.02 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: than it's ok |
| 21:45.17 | HtheB | wants Maemo5 in Maemo6 ¬_¬ |
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| 21:45.43 | ZogG_laptop | it's good feeling to be thanked actually, it doesn't matter =) the reason to do things is not those "thanks" |
| 21:45.54 | ZogG_laptop | i'm lagging |
| 21:45.56 | HtheB | sometimes they are :p |
| 21:45.57 | HtheB | reputation |
| 21:45.59 | merlin1991 | can't picture using hildon styled gtk stuff with maliit |
| 21:46.21 | beford | ZogG_laptop, Member Since 2008-04-13 :p |
| 21:46.22 | Venemo | me either |
| 21:46.35 | HtheB | it's always nice to see a comp. layer :) |
| 21:46.41 | HtheB | just to run any app without effort |
| 21:46.58 | Venemo | HtheB, so, what app is it that you miss so much on Harmattan? |
| 21:47.05 | HtheB | ThomsonKeys |
| 21:47.39 | HtheB | calculates default router passwords of thomson routers |
| 21:47.54 | HtheB | comes in handy many times :) |
| 21:48.04 | ZogG_laptop | beford: Member Since 1053-02-12 |
| 21:48.16 | beford | impossibru |
| 21:48.19 | merlin1991 | HtheB: that should be hacked together in a Qt ui within seconds |
| 21:48.29 | HtheB | merlin1991: be my guest :D |
| 21:48.54 | ZogG_laptop | HtheB: is it opensource? |
| 21:49.43 | HtheB | afair it's actually a gui for a commandline tool |
| 21:50.28 | HtheB | works with python |
| 21:51.16 | HtheB | it's working now though using fremantle in chroot |
| 21:53.00 | rzr | HtheB, i have built a similar tool on harmattan |
| 21:53.10 | rzr | do you want it ? |
| 21:53.29 | HtheB | sure ! :) |
| 21:53.40 | rzr | let me pull this out for you |
| 21:53.43 | HtheB | rzr, many apps on your repo doesnt work right :( |
| 21:54.02 | HtheB | like Quake doesnt have an Icon after installing (need to start within the terminal) |
| 21:54.05 | rzr | just report bugs |
| 21:54.12 | rzr | i cant test them all |
| 21:54.15 | HtheB | xD |
| 21:54.17 | HtheB | heh :D |
| 21:54.30 | HtheB | but I think all the apps doesnt show |
| 21:54.36 | rzr | what's your email ? |
| 21:54.59 | HtheB | at least the ones Ive tested, just like presence vnc |
| 21:55.02 | HtheB | no icon |
| 21:55.15 | rzr | fix it or start a shell |
| 21:56.27 | HtheB | start a shell? |
| 21:56.41 | rzr | terminal |
| 21:57.09 | HtheB | sure i start the apps on a shell (thats the only way after installing) |
| 21:57.45 | HtheB | I can make an icon manually, but thats annoying, I flash my device a lot :p |
| 21:57.47 | rzr | i would appreciate if you report a bug or provide a patch |
| 21:58.06 | HtheB | link for bug reports? :D |
| 21:58.22 | rzr | obs ? |
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| 21:59.24 | rzr | or |
| 21:59.24 | rzr | If you have suggestions/ questions you can use the forum |
| 21:59.24 | rzr | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4218 |
| 21:59.24 | rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75815 |
| 21:59.56 | HtheB | rzr, did you try out meecatalog? |
| 22:00.16 | rzr | i think yes why ? |
| 22:00.35 | HtheB | a good way to browse your repo :) |
| 22:00.55 | rzr | it's not only mine |
| 22:01.02 | rzr | it's open to all contributors |
| 22:01.05 | HtheB | too bad you cant list it on date |
| 22:01.09 | HtheB | hmmm |
| 22:01.13 | HtheB | you're the owner though :p |
| 22:01.26 | rzr | i will go to jail :) |
| 22:01.42 | HtheB | ill jailbreak you out :p |
| 22:02.05 | HtheB | by the way, does anyone knows what those cyan-rectangles-sgx_XXX files are!? |
| 22:02.24 | rzr | good question |
| 22:02.25 | HtheB | I always end up with those .txt files in the root of MyDocs |
| 22:06.42 | HtheB | does anyone else knows what those logs files are from? :/ |
| 22:06.44 | arcean_ | HtheB: it's a hack for NB#292977 |
| 22:07.02 | arcean_ | HtheB: do you have N950 with PR 1.2 beta? |
| 22:07.10 | HtheB | arcean_: yes |
| 22:07.25 | arcean_ | then update to final PR 1.2 using N9 repos :P |
| 22:07.48 | HtheB | arcean_: after doing that , my phone didn't turn on anymore |
| 22:07.52 | HtheB | it removed litterly every app :D |
| 22:07.55 | HtheB | even the phone app lol |
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| 22:08.00 | arcean_ | hows that possible :D ? |
| 22:08.15 | HtheB | it removed harmattan-pr-680 |
| 22:08.18 | HtheB | or, something like that |
| 22:08.30 | HtheB | cant remember what package it was |
| 22:08.31 | arcean_ | my n950 is running PR 1.2 fine |
| 22:08.40 | HtheB | but it litterly removed everything :/ |
| 22:08.47 | HtheB | every pre build-in app was just removed |
| 22:09.00 | arcean_ | you have to remove metapackage, and upgrade everything else |
| 22:09.14 | HtheB | ? |
| 22:09.20 | HtheB | well, I just did a |
| 22:09.27 | HtheB | apt-get dist-upgrade :p |
| 22:09.40 | arcean_ | uhm |
| 22:09.54 | HtheB | (after adding the n9 repo ofcourse) |
| 22:10.10 | HtheB | otherwise it didnt upgrade it |
| 22:10.16 | arcean_ | i have just removed the harm-metapackage and apt-get upgrade |
| 22:10.29 | HtheB | hmmm |
| 22:10.50 | HtheB | got skype? |
| 22:11.00 | HtheB | since you have n9 repo, should be possible to have "easy skype" |
| 22:11.03 | HtheB | without hassle |
| 22:11.03 | arcean_ | and it works for 4 months now |
| 22:11.14 | arcean_ | yeah, skype, user guide, etc :) |
| 22:11.21 | HtheB | woohooo |
| 22:11.31 | HtheB | ok hang on let me get the device :) |
| 22:12.08 | Venemo | HtheB, you need to manually remove the rm680-pr, then mark all other packages as manually installed (so that autoremove doesn't remove them) -> then you can get all the latest stuff from the N9 repos. |
| 22:12.37 | Venemo | but in fact, I haven't seen any noticable improvements |
| 22:12.48 | HtheB | i saw that drive was working faster |
| 22:12.52 | HtheB | much smoother |
| 22:13.00 | HtheB | before it removed all my apps |
| 22:13.09 | arcean_ | and MTF is no longer dumping sgx_XXX files :P |
| 22:13.36 | HtheB | seriously getting really annoyed about those files :D |
| 22:13.43 | arcean_ | yeah |
| 22:13.45 | HtheB | ok so Venemo, got my device now |
| 22:13.56 | HtheB | is adding n9 repo |
| 22:14.23 | Venemo | HtheB, there was a pastebin entry on this channel, when I asked about this stuff, which was a command that marked all other packages as manually installed. |
| 22:16.04 | Venemo | by the way, what the hell is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBOaUi54FmE |
| 22:16.15 | arcean_ | Venemo: HtheB: http://pastie.org/3478334 |
| 22:16.21 | HtheB | thnx arcean_ ! |
| 22:16.28 | Venemo | yep, what arcean_ said |
| 22:16.40 | HtheB | Venemo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85087 |
| 22:18.35 | HtheB | arcean_, Venemo, do you remember which package I have to remove manually? |
| 22:18.48 | Venemo | HtheB, mp-harmattan-rm680-pr |
| 22:18.51 | HtheB | thanx |
| 22:19.09 | Venemo | there are no facts, just fiction, in that thread. |
| 22:19.11 | Venemo | meh. |
| 22:21.25 | HtheB | why does that pastie has "\" after some packages? |
| 22:21.41 | HtheB | shouldnt I remove those before pasting in the terminal> |
| 22:21.42 | HtheB | ? |
| 22:24.46 | arcean_ | no, it's ok |
| 22:28.41 | HtheB | arcean_: gives problems though |
| 22:28.52 | arcean_ | what kind of problem? |
| 22:29.17 | HtheB | seems like it cant find some packages |
| 22:30.02 | HtheB | meh, stupid terminal doesnt get it right I thin |
| 22:30.02 | HtheB | k |
| 22:30.06 | rzr | warning |
| 22:30.16 | rzr | it looks like you're doing risky thing |
| 22:30.22 | arcean_ | the best way is to use ssh |
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| 22:30.32 | HtheB | arcean_: guess so |
| 22:30.54 | HtheB | putty should do the job |
| 22:32.11 | rzr | same stuff |
| 22:35.53 | HtheB | I've never used ssh with harmattan though |
| 22:36.08 | HtheB | asks for a user... root? |
| 22:36.23 | HtheB | as far as I remember, didnt they shut down root access with ssh on the latest firmware? |
| 22:36.53 | rzr | let me insist you to gather some info |
| 22:36.59 | rzr | before screwing it all |
| 22:37.06 | rzr | you will not regret |
| 22:37.11 | HtheB | if all fail, I can reflash |
| 22:37.21 | HtheB | got backup of everything |
| 22:38.27 | rzr | you have been warned :) |
| 22:38.32 | HtheB | thnx :D |
| 22:45.11 | HtheB | arcean_: I cant ssh into my device, keeps telling me that i put in wrong password :/ |
| 22:46.40 | trx | HtheB trying as user root? |
| 22:46.50 | HtheB | root |
| 22:47.00 | trx | thats disabled, use "developer" |
| 22:47.42 | heymaster | Harmattan and Symbian in on Qt Creator project is common practice ? |
| 22:47.48 | heymaster | oneŪ |
| 22:47.54 | trx | HtheB (first remember to create a password for "developer") |
| 22:47.57 | heymaster | one* |
| 22:48.47 | jonni | you can enable root account if you search the forums, but for security in mind its better to use developer user |
| 22:49.19 | HtheB | trx |
| 22:49.23 | HtheB | thanks :) |
| 22:49.33 | HtheB | although the password given by the sdk solved my problem |
| 22:49.34 | trx | np ;) |
| 22:49.39 | HtheB | didnt know they gave you a pass :P |
| 22:50.27 | trx | i have no idea about the sdk i dont use it |
| 22:51.45 | jonni | newest version of sdk is pretty nice, it even has the pr1.2 simulator |
| 22:53.01 | jonni | so you can choose to test run your code in pr1.0, pr1.1 and pr1.2 simulators. |
| 22:55.46 | HtheB | trx: the sdk app in the menu of your n950 |
| 22:55.48 | HtheB | is also nice :) |
| 22:56.02 | HtheB | you can enable the developer and set a password with a gui |
| 22:56.41 | trx | i will have to check that out |
| 22:57.25 | trx | i had no use for it yet |
| 22:57.42 | trx | its not pascal friendly :) |
| 23:00.21 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 23:00.51 | ZogG_laptop | btw qt sdk says no updates, i wanted to update after i read it was released =\ |
| 23:00.56 | jonni | ofcourse you can pascal in maemo: http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Setup_Cross_Compile_For_ARM |
| 23:01.26 | trx | jonni i know that :) |
| 23:01.27 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: WTF? =) |
| 23:01.36 | ZogG_laptop | who would do it? |
| 23:01.37 | jonni | ;) |
| 23:01.46 | trx | i created the first pascal package in the repo |
| 23:01.55 | trx | TxPad is written in pascal |
| 23:03.03 | trx | harmattan version of TxPad (TxPad QML) is written in Pascal <-> C++(.so) <-> QML |
| 23:03.50 | trx | i'm pretty sure that there is no other application for harmattan (and qml for that matter) written in pascal |
| 23:05.31 | HtheB | arcean_, Venemo, still here around? |
| 23:05.56 | Venemo | HtheB, yes |
| 23:05.59 | HtheB | it wont update 1 package. do I have to install it manually as well? package name system-ui |
| 23:06.42 | arcean_ | HtheB: what i did was apt-get update upgrade and the command from pastebin |
| 23:06.46 | Venemo | not sure, I don't remember that specifically |
| 23:07.10 | HtheB | ah, seems like the status menu is the thing that cause this error |
| 23:07.26 | HtheB | (the one from MAG) |
| 23:07.28 | arcean_ | that's possbile |
| 23:08.46 | ZogG_laptop | trx: you mother of pascal . png |
| 23:08.56 | HtheB | lol :D |
| 23:10.48 | trx | haha |
| 23:11.03 | HtheB | arcean_, Venemo, yup. Removed brightness-control, and it works now! :) upgrading to "N9" (or should I call that a downgrade? lol!) |
| 23:11.52 | jonni | heh, there hasnt been that many Fortran apps released for Harmattan, maybe time for coding compo :) |
| 23:12.12 | HtheB | jonni: there is already a coding compo at the moment |
| 23:12.33 | trx | jonni :) |
| 23:12.34 | jonni | I know, just would be funny if someone would submit fortran app |
| 23:12.44 | jonni | it would get my vote :) |
| 23:12.50 | trx | dont compare object pascal to fortram please : |
| 23:12.52 | trx | :) |
| 23:12.54 | HtheB | www.lmgtfy.com/?q=fortran |
| 23:13.19 | HtheB | hmmm |
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| 23:38.47 | jonni | hmm, I just installed gvideo from appstore, I was shitting my pants when it rebooted and had red text sometime about rescuing mode, but luckily that was just for installing some low level stuff, as then it rebooted just fine :). not nice to scare people with red text :) |
| 23:39.32 | HtheB | Venemo: It still wants to autoremove them :/ |
| 23:39.51 | Venemo | make sure to mark everything manually installed |
| 23:40.07 | HtheB | it was before upgrade |
| 23:40.12 | HtheB | have to mark them after the update? |
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| 23:41.16 | jonni | or you can just use the same trick that n9 tweak uses to get them off from autoremove list. |
| 23:41.42 | HtheB | which trick |
| 23:42.21 | jonni | tweaks are cleartext scripts in there, so you can just look how n9 tweak does it. |
| 23:44.42 | HtheB | tanks |
| 23:45.15 | HtheB | somehow, I pasted the long script again and seems like it doesnt want to autoremove it anymore |
| 23:45.25 | HtheB | reboots the phone to check |
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| 23:52.09 | HtheB | so if I still enter "apt-get autoremove" it will try to remove the packages :( |