| 00:06.02 | ieatlint | wtf, i didn't get the hooker with my n950 |
| 00:06.16 | ieatlint | goes to email quim about it |
| 00:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | you don't get hooker *with* your N950 |
| 00:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | obviously, as hooker800 rolled out after n950 deployment long been finished |
| 00:25.16 | ieatlint | oh, *that* hooker... yeah.. |
| 00:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | but you should've received an info about a hooker800 waiting for you in your whatsitcalled-at-nokia |
| 00:25.42 | ieatlint | yeah, i got my hooker800 |
| 00:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I never received such info - I heard about it at IRC, or even noticed it when randomly dropping by at DDP |
| 00:29.25 | ieatlint | the lumia has some decent gimmick at least |
| 00:29.48 | ieatlint | the translation app is pretty fun, but i don't see myself whipping it out to actually read a menu or a sign |
| 00:31.21 | ieatlint | i'm still firmly in the "why nokia?! WHY?!" crowd, though |
| 00:31.29 | GeneralAntilles | Damn them! |
| 00:33.21 | *** join/#harmattan hardaker (~hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 00:33.25 | ieatlint | i'm going to be at the tizen conference next week trying not to giggle too much though |
| 00:33.42 | GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, please liveblog the fail for us. |
| 00:34.23 | ieatlint | i'll try... will also be hitting up the conveniently simultaneously scheduled ubuntu dev summit |
| 00:35.37 | ieatlint | they've got a fun party scheduled... and intel always spends excessive amounts on their conferences, so it should be fun |
| 00:38.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hope so |
| 00:38.17 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: Remember to ask the most important question. |
| 00:38.25 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: 'What does the T stand for' |
| 00:38.32 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 00:38.41 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, those were fun times. |
| 00:38.41 | ieatlint | hahaha |
| 00:38.54 | ieatlint | there's a decent chance that guy will be there |
| 00:38.57 | SpeedEvil | Oh! |
| 00:38.57 | GeneralAntilles | Damn you for not being there, SpeedEvil! |
| 00:39.01 | GeneralAntilles | and you too, DocScrutinizer! |
| 00:39.01 | ieatlint | i'll be sure to get my pic taken again with him if so |
| 00:39.03 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: :( |
| 00:39.13 | SpeedEvil | imagines a fun possibility. |
| 00:39.30 | SpeedEvil | http://www.anandtech.com/show/5770/lava-xolo-x900-review-the-first-intel-medfield-phone + tizen |
| 00:40.35 | SpeedEvil | Alas I've failed to find any significant docs on medfield |
| 00:40.56 | *** join/#harmattan Arie (~Arie@c-69-255-229-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 00:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? |
| 00:41.36 | ieatlint | GeneralAntilles, you actually going to be at either of these conferences? |
| 00:41.42 | GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, nerp. |
| 00:41.51 | GeneralAntilles | Don't have the cash to fly out there. |
| 00:42.03 | ieatlint | yeah, i wouldn't go too far out of my way |
| 00:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: so you assume I have the needed money? |
| 00:42.28 | ieatlint | they're doing another hardware handout |
| 00:42.31 | Arie | I almost went to tizen |
| 00:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I assume you suck for not being in SF last year. :P |
| 00:42.45 | Arie | but the original meego boys arent all there, why go? |
| 00:42.46 | SpeedEvil | I technically do have the needed money. But I need it to insulate my house with. |
| 00:42.51 | SpeedEvil | Just got enough savedish. |
| 00:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: last year I had even less cash |
| 00:43.29 | ieatlint | i wish i had the cash to go the qt contributors' summit in berlin :/ |
| 00:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict savedish |
| 00:43.31 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, yeah, yeah. You just made the whole conference a poorer experience for us all with your silly frugalness. :P |
| 00:43.51 | Arie | DocScrutinizer: were you at the meego conference? |
| 00:44.11 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 00:46.04 | Arie | GeneralAntilles: you were, i met you |
| 00:46.37 | GeneralAntilles | That was a fun conference. |
| 00:46.58 | Arie | GeneralAntilles: it was by far one of my favorite |
| 00:47.36 | Arie | From Robin's Keynote, to Quim being a meego conference goer like us, taking off his nokia shirt to enjoy it |
| 00:48.22 | GeneralAntilles | A rare thing to get that many clever, fun people in one place for a few days. |
| 00:48.38 | Arie | yes, its a shame it was a one time deal |
| 00:49.04 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Dublin was pretty awesome, too. |
| 00:49.43 | Arie | cosimo was there, felipe crochik, andre klapper, and a ton of others |
| 00:50.04 | Arie | dublin was, I agree |
| 00:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | well... |
| 00:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | there's no way to justify a transatlantic ticket (plus other expense) for any few days good time at conference - as long as I have to pay it |
| 00:52.57 | Arie | if the old boys were there |
| 00:52.58 | Arie | id go |
| 00:53.02 | Arie | tizen will be a jokr |
| 00:53.04 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I know, I know. I'm just ribbing you 'cause I wish everybody could've been there. |
| 00:53.05 | Arie | joke* |
| 00:53.09 | GeneralAntilles | Arie, suspect a lot of them will. |
| 00:53.26 | GeneralAntilles | I've seen a number mention being in SF on Twitter and IRC. |
| 00:53.51 | Arie | GeneralAntilles: i spoke to the ones i wanted to see, they arent there |
| 00:56.09 | Arie | GeneralAntilles: plus meego was my last stop, maemo then meego, tizen is done |
| 00:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | But Tizen is so gloriously hilarious! |
| 00:57.02 | Arie | GeneralAntilles: i know, I've spoken to my friends at samsung, they all think its a joke too |
| 00:59.54 | *** join/#harmattan pinheiro_ (~pinheiro@bl15-17-174.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 01:03.07 | ieatlint | it's actually remarkably similar to last year's meego conference |
| 01:03.22 | ieatlint | we all knew meego was a joke once nokia pulled out (and we had our doubts even before they did) |
| 01:03.28 | ieatlint | tizen is the same deal |
| 01:03.36 | ieatlint | it's like the emporers new clothes 2.0 |
| 01:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder why Intel has all this money to waste on pointless bullshit. |
| 01:03.51 | ieatlint | no one at intel seems to want to tell the higher ups just how bs it all is |
| 01:04.18 | Arie | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.40 | ieatlint | i don't think it employs as many people as you might guess |
| 01:05.19 | Arie | ieatlint: even 3 jobs is better than none |
| 01:05.26 | ieatlint | but hey, who knows.. intel does have a reference phone out, and "tizen 1.0 larkspur" for phones was released last week |
| 01:05.36 | *** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@12.197.88.10) |
| 01:05.36 | *** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@Maemo/community/contributor/lbt) |
| 01:06.00 | ieatlint | Arie, well, there are more than 3 just planning and organizing this conference |
| 01:06.13 | GeneralAntilles | Arie, not if they're working on something completely useless. ;) |
| 01:06.20 | GeneralAntilles | Just wasting capital. |
| 01:07.13 | mps | so everyone should just accept that android is and will always be the linux phone platform and not even try anything? |
| 01:07.52 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 01:08.02 | Arie | mps: N0! |
| 01:08.02 | GeneralAntilles | But Intel should either get serious or quit wasting money. |
| 01:08.17 | Arie | GeneralAntilles: not happening |
| 01:08.56 | GeneralAntilles | They're doing more harm than good on that front if they're scaring away entrepreneurs from the market by pouring money into a big batch of waste. |
| 01:08.58 | ieatlint | intel is trying to mimic google with android |
| 01:09.16 | ieatlint | and they're doing as well at it as google does with social media |
| 01:09.30 | Arie | ieatlint: and samsung backing them will help? |
| 01:09.45 | ieatlint | only if they're serious, and they aren't really it seems |
| 01:09.48 | mps | so what would "intel getting serious" look like? |
| 01:10.00 | ieatlint | google allied with a major company that no one had heard of: htc |
| 01:10.31 | ieatlint | htc didn't have a lot to lose, as worst case for them was they continued to make phones/electronics for other companies |
| 01:10.46 | Arie | mps: a lot more than our scope involves |
| 01:10.56 | mps | for example? |
| 01:11.12 | ieatlint | samsung on the other hand is also a software company, has a huge number of shareholders eyeing them, and a reputation as the largest phone manufacturer in the world |
| 01:12.30 | ieatlint | samsung can't treat it that seriously until it actually has something to go on |
| 01:12.41 | ieatlint | and well, tizen is just a joke to most |
| 01:13.40 | mps | everything but the currently popular platform is a joke to most |
| 01:13.51 | mps | doesn't mean that you shouldn't work on the potential next platform |
| 01:14.36 | ieatlint | well, i've also heard people i trust to be knowledgeable say that intel doesn't really care so much about it either, they just feel that it's a way to bring more attention to their embedded chips |
| 01:14.36 | Arie | mps: its supposedly windows, but thats crashing and burning |
| 01:16.01 | mps | if you could tell what it'll be, everyone would already be on it :) |
| 01:16.28 | mps | in the meantime, it makes sense to put some resources on linux platforms and see what happens |
| 01:16.31 | ieatlint | i thought i was on it :P |
| 01:16.38 | Arie | mps: windows sucks |
| 01:16.40 | ieatlint | then feb 11.. |
| 01:16.52 | mps | putting 10x more resources on the other hand would probably have diminishing returns |
| 01:17.04 | Arie | mps i agree |
| 01:18.22 | SpeedEvil | I guess best realistic case is that intel makes some of their phones unlockable. |
| 01:18.50 | Arie | SpeedEvil: what do you mean unlockable? |
| 01:19.16 | SpeedEvil | Not really unlockable. |
| 01:19.38 | Arie | SpeedEvil: you mean carrier unlocked or what? |
| 01:19.39 | SpeedEvil | I mean not bootloader locked + at least some sort of open-source accellerated fromework on them. |
| 01:20.00 | Arie | SpeedEvil: thank you for the explanation |
| 01:20.25 | SpeedEvil | Something that'd in principle let you install ubuntu on it. |
| 01:20.54 | Arie | SpeedEvil: ubuntu on a phone would be awesome |
| 01:22.49 | SpeedEvil | is currently using slackware. |
| 01:39.58 | *** join/#harmattan Saviq_ (~Saviq@173-167-125-117-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 01:54.30 | *** join/#harmattan roop (~roop@122.179.30.9) |
| 02:09.00 | *** join/#harmattan hardaker (~hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 02:20.53 | *** join/#harmattan kozzi (nguyen@lehtori.cc.tut.fi) |
| 02:46.06 | *** join/#harmattan oberling (~oberling@brln-4db9d43a.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 02:53.18 | *** join/#harmattan Natunen (nalle@213-186-240-19.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 03:08.48 | *** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@12.197.88.10) |
| 03:08.48 | *** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@Maemo/community/contributor/lbt) |
| 03:14.15 | *** join/#harmattan Aard (bwachter@edna-edison.lart.info) |
| 03:41.44 | itsnotabigtruck | ubuntu on a phone would be terrible...but the flexibility to install what you want is important, yeah |
| 04:43.54 | *** join/#harmattan hhartz (~hhartz@241.149.34.95.customer.cdi.no) |
| 05:29.21 | *** join/#harmattan roop (~roop@122.179.30.9) |
| 05:36.15 | *** join/#harmattan Arie (~Arie@c-69-255-229-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 06:06.05 | *** join/#harmattan sp3001 (~chatzilla@cs181010007.pp.htv.fi) |
| 06:08.03 | *** join/#harmattan hhartz (~hhartz@241.149.34.95.customer.cdi.no) |
| 06:10.16 | npm | thanks for the interesting scrollback reading :-) ... i still think Samsung is going to acq AMD and start being more of a direct competitor to Intel... then whither Tizen? |
| 06:12.06 | npm | after AMD acq's MIPS :-) |
| 06:12.58 | *** join/#harmattan djszapi (~lpapp@kde/developer/lpapp) |
| 06:46.14 | *** join/#harmattan dhbiker (~dhbiker@APN-122-124-52-gprs.simobil.net) |
| 06:55.13 | *** join/#harmattan hhartz (~hhartz@241.149.34.95.customer.cdi.no) |
| 07:12.02 | *** join/#harmattan tomma (~tomma@a91-153-219-149.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 07:18.04 | *** join/#harmattan risca (~risca@wnpgmb0903w-ds01-249-233.dynamic.mtsallstream.net) |
| 07:35.07 | *** join/#harmattan roop (~roop@122.179.30.9) |
| 07:43.49 | *** join/#harmattan psycho_oreos (~no@unaffiliated/tuxsavvy) |
| 07:49.04 | *** part/#harmattan djszapi (~lpapp@kde/developer/lpapp) |
| 08:36.55 | *** join/#harmattan diverse_izzue (~hunzikea@2606ds5-by.1.fullrate.dk) |
| 08:49.50 | trx | hmm, the " bossbot" in cOBS has ignored my submit for over 11 hours now |
| 08:50.46 | trx | is there anyone i should notice about that? |
| 08:59.00 | *** join/#harmattan leinir (~leinir@amarok/usability/leinir) |
| 09:01.25 | *** join/#harmattan napcode (~quassel@cable-86-56-37-192.cust.telecolumbus.net) |
| 09:07.53 | *** join/#harmattan nid0 (nidO@dsl-fixed-94-30-53-17.interdsl.co.uk) |
| 09:08.13 | *** join/#harmattan shanttu (~shanttu@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ffdec300-4.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 09:20.20 | *** join/#harmattan roop (~roop@122.179.30.9) |
| 09:23.01 | *** join/#harmattan tom_ (~tom@93.186.149.226) |
| 09:25.21 | roop | join #qt-harmattan |
| 09:45.04 | *** join/#harmattan aheinecke_ (~quassel@77.245.47.29) |
| 09:45.54 | *** join/#harmattan jkk_ (~jkk@gateway/shell/tkk.fi/x-uyqywimwxfqfelqk) |
| 09:49.16 | *** join/#harmattan Sput (~sputnick@quassel/developer/sput) |
| 09:52.57 | *** join/#harmattan NIN101 (~NIN@p5DD29801.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:10.44 | *** join/#harmattan jaywink (~jaywink@cs181163242.pp.htv.fi) |
| 10:26.40 | *** join/#harmattan niqt (~quassel@host31-58-dynamic.31-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:34.11 | *** join/#harmattan tarantism (~tarantism@cpc1-cmbg4-0-0-cust285.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 10:45.35 | *** join/#harmattan piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-174-117.as13285.net) |
| 11:10.49 | *** join/#harmattan faenil (~faenil@host114-227-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:13.49 | *** join/#harmattan niqt (~quassel@host106-8-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:22.07 | roop | The tab bar in the UX guidelines shows text below icons, but there doesn't seem to be any Qt Quick Components to do that. Did I miss something? |
| 11:22.39 | roop | UX guidelines showing text below icons: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/ux/pages/Navigation_Structures.html |
| 11:23.14 | roop | (the QML tab button takes both text and icons but shows the text to the right of the icon) |
| 11:42.23 | *** join/#harmattan mikelima (~mikelima@net-2-33-166-216.cust.dsl.teletu.it) |
| 12:06.44 | *** join/#harmattan liar (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) |
| 12:08.43 | *** join/#harmattan cvaldemar (ftt@1385167366.dhcp.dbnet.dk) |
| 12:14.08 | *** join/#harmattan roop (~roop@122.179.30.9) |
| 12:16.16 | *** join/#harmattan hardaker (~hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 12:19.05 | Corsac | hmhm, is there an app to ease payment with friends for an event? |
| 12:21.10 | *** join/#harmattan tgalal (~tarekg@196.205.154.240) |
| 12:23.38 | *** join/#harmattan Venemo (~chatzilla@catv-89-134-153-62.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 12:24.07 | *** join/#harmattan Venemo (~chatzilla@fedora/Venemo) |
| 12:40.44 | trx | X-Fade ping |
| 12:49.29 | *** join/#harmattan niqt (~quassel@host106-8-dynamic.21-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:50.04 | *** join/#harmattan javispedro (~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro) |
| 12:52.02 | *** join/#harmattan Venemo (~chatzilla@catv-89-134-153-62.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 12:56.20 | *** join/#harmattan DocScrutinizer (~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
| 12:57.23 | *** join/#harmattan ZogG_laptop (~ZogG_lapt@bzq-79-177-202-143.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 13:14.25 | *** join/#harmattan roop (~roop@122.179.30.9) |
| 13:17.28 | *** join/#harmattan tomma (~tomma@a91-153-219-149.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 13:26.53 | *** join/#harmattan arcean (~Arcean@aacu121.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 13:37.18 | *** join/#harmattan tgalal (~tarekg@62.135.87.20) |
| 13:54.24 | *** join/#harmattan Soder (~Soder@53.96.227.87.static.vx.siw.siwnet.net) |
| 14:16.49 | *** join/#harmattan faenil (~faenil@host204-195-dynamic.116-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 14:42.37 | mankeli | hey |
| 14:43.06 | mankeli | is it possible for program to disable compositor animations in harmattan? |
| 14:43.24 | mankeli | i mean specifically disabling that "roll-in" which happens when a fullscreen application starts |
| 15:08.17 | *** join/#harmattan Venemo_N950 (~Venemo@netacc-gpn-5-65-219.pool.telenor.hu) |
| 15:08.17 | *** join/#harmattan Venemo_N950 (~Venemo@fedora/Venemo) |
| 15:10.59 | *** join/#harmattan tomma (~tomma@a91-153-219-149.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 15:15.23 | *** join/#harmattan DrGrov (~C.J@a91-153-77-41.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 15:25.24 | faenil | guys do you use any way to protect your qml code? |
| 15:36.54 | tgalal | How do we set icon for an accounts plugin? It's always a red box for me if I use absolute path as value for <icon> in provider or service file |
| 15:38.55 | alterego | faenil: protect? In what sense? You could in theory encrypt them and decrypt at runtime but I'd just use the qt resources stuff to compile them in to the executable. |
| 15:44.52 | itsnotabigtruck | or you could, you know, not do that and release your app as OSS :p |
| 15:45.21 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not some OSS fanatic but right now there's a serious dearth of OS apps |
| 15:46.00 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck, can't release everything as oss :P |
| 15:46.26 | faenil | alterego, I'm already compiling them as resources, but it's too easy to extract them |
| 15:46.31 | faenil | I'd expect something less doable |
| 15:51.05 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: of course you can >_> |
| 15:51.46 | itsnotabigtruck | also, it looks like you've been into the rom modding scene in the past...i'm a little bit surprised you haven't jumped on the inception bandwagon |
| 15:55.10 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck, haven't jumped because I'm not using n950 recently, have not even tried nitdroid yet....lack of time, unfortunately :( |
| 15:55.37 | *** join/#harmattan djszapi (~lpapp@kde/developer/lpapp) |
| 15:55.48 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck, I need some spare money as a student, and opensource projects usually aren't good to that purpose ;) |
| 15:56.27 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck, or am I wrong? :) |
| 15:56.52 | djszapi | ofc you are :) |
| 15:58.12 | faenil | djszapi, yey, then show me the way :) |
| 15:58.34 | djszapi | get a rich woman :P |
| 15:58.37 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 15:58.42 | itsnotabigtruck | well, there's always the dual GPL/commercial model that some other people have done |
| 15:58.51 | djszapi | GPL sucks. |
| 15:58.55 | itsnotabigtruck | but really, making N9 apps is a pretty crappy way to make serious money |
| 15:59.18 | itsnotabigtruck | what you need is an internship somewhere |
| 16:00.00 | djszapi | faenil: you will be millionaire the virtually non-arriving rpi xD |
| 16:00.07 | djszapi | with* |
| 16:00.58 | itsnotabigtruck | it seems like aside from hit apps like angry birds most people end up turning out a couple hundred dollars |
| 16:01.42 | djszapi | I think ovi is a good way of cleaning up the money in drugs |
| 16:01.56 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 16:02.09 | djszapi | well, you make a stupid application for maximum price :) |
| 16:02.19 | djszapi | and sell the drug in background. :P |
| 16:02.59 | djszapi | ~update |
| 16:03.00 | infobot | i guess update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 |
| 16:03.10 | djszapi | no update since then ? :o |
| 16:05.48 | faenil | sorry didn't see you were rplying lemme read :D |
| 16:06.07 | faenil | lol, my gf is everything but rich :D any other way? XD |
| 16:06.12 | djszapi | replies are overrated :D |
| 16:06.45 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck, a couple hundred dollars every month would be serious business for me, lol |
| 16:06.56 | djszapi | are you serious ? :o |
| 16:08.01 | faenil | no, but it was just to say that I wouldn't expect a lot of money from it :) |
| 16:08.32 | djszapi | nokia share is around 2.5 EUR. What have you expected ? :p |
| 16:08.47 | djszapi | was over 50 EUR 2-3 years ago :P |
| 16:09.03 | djszapi | andgoing down every single week so far lol |
| 16:09.15 | djszapi | http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=NOA3.DE |
| 16:10.04 | faenil | ehehe |
| 16:10.42 | djszapi | on a bright side note: ovi removed a comment I marked abuse. :-P |
| 16:12.43 | djszapi | so when is the cssu coming ? |
| 16:12.51 | *** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@12.197.88.10) |
| 16:12.51 | *** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@Maemo/community/contributor/lbt) |
| 16:16.24 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck, anyway, I'm not thinking about publishing anything only on n9 store :) |
| 16:17.46 | *** join/#harmattan ab (~ab@pdpc/supporter/professional/ab) |
| 16:18.58 | *** join/#harmattan jabis (~jabis@alpha.pumppumedia.com) |
| 16:21.38 | djszapi | faenil: go for html and tizen :p |
| 16:22.15 | djszapi | you should be at the tizen conference happening now :p |
| 16:22.26 | *** join/#harmattan liar (~liar@clnet-p09-185.ikbnet.co.at) |
| 16:22.26 | faenil | heh, got uni lessons, and no money :P |
| 16:23.03 | djszapi | uni and money are overrated :p |
| 16:24.09 | djszapi | ieatlint: 'sup |
| 16:24.48 | faenil | eheheh |
| 16:24.54 | faenil | do you want to pay my flight? :D |
| 16:25.52 | djszapi | no 'cause airplanes endangers the environment. :) |
| 16:25.57 | djszapi | endanger* |
| 16:26.38 | djszapi | has to use QtCreator :( |
| 16:27.23 | faenil | lol |
| 16:29.39 | *** join/#harmattan arcean (~Arcean@aacv204.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 16:31.22 | itsnotabigtruck | tizen doesn't sound like a good bet |
| 16:32.01 | itsnotabigtruck | i mean, if you want to do something that'll hit a lot of users, you're in the wrong place, you want android or maybe iphone |
| 16:32.38 | djszapi | almost everything exists there. |
| 16:32.46 | djszapi | not many new segments to break in. |
| 16:32.51 | itsnotabigtruck | that's kinda the thing |
| 16:32.56 | faenil | I'm using qt... |
| 16:33.03 | faenil | android+iOS+qnx+harmattan+symbian |
| 16:33.07 | faenil | better than that? :P |
| 16:33.09 | itsnotabigtruck | then stop using qt |
| 16:33.15 | itsnotabigtruck | i mean, qt is cool and all |
| 16:33.15 | faenil | why would I .P |
| 16:33.31 | itsnotabigtruck | but it's by no means a reason to be brand loyal or something |
| 16:33.42 | itsnotabigtruck | and android qt is kind of a joke |
| 16:33.53 | djszapi | I am trying to set that up... |
| 16:34.00 | itsnotabigtruck | not sure what playbook qt is like, but RIM is doing worse off than WP7 at this point |
| 16:34.01 | djszapi | anyone experienced, feel free to query me.. |
| 16:35.03 | djszapi | IMO, mobile application development into stores does not bring you to too much money by its nature (respect to the exceptions) |
| 16:35.53 | itsnotabigtruck | right, it has to be on a popular platform, it has to be well written, but most importantly it needs the right combo of timing, luck, and playing to what people want |
| 16:36.01 | djszapi | we should have a new burning platform for that to break in with some exceptions. |
| 16:36.10 | itsnotabigtruck | then you end up with some hit app and facebook buys you out for a retarded amount of money :p |
| 16:36.47 | itsnotabigtruck | or zynga /me shudders |
| 16:36.57 | itsnotabigtruck | apparently zynga has already added ad words to draw something |
| 16:37.12 | djszapi | I have the feeling even a new burning platform would not help since the people having accesses to that platform already, would have this in mind to already begin to write the hitting stuff right even before the product enters the public. |
| 16:37.20 | itsnotabigtruck | as in, coca-cola could pay zynga to make 'coke' a word in draw something |
| 16:38.26 | itsnotabigtruck | that's the thing, some people did make serious money on N9 apps, but those apps were often written before the commercial release of the N9 |
| 16:38.51 | djszapi | I know, I was working on an ovi app way before the product even once announced or anything. |
| 16:39.08 | djszapi | was* |
| 16:39.46 | djszapi | so if the product owners would not like the public have too much ability for getting money out of this, they can actually cover many segments. |
| 16:41.15 | djszapi | having* |
| 16:42.32 | djszapi | speaking of Android Qt: it had the a release last November'ish. |
| 16:42.46 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/469874/ -> I cannot even run a simple QtCreator out-of-the-box after the installation. :-) |
| 16:43.08 | djszapi | I have tried to ask them at the Qt Developer Days about alternative tools, but still nothing: just qtcreator. |
| 16:43.15 | djszapi | I have never understood this workflow to be honest. |
| 16:43.34 | *** join/#harmattan beford (~beford@unaffiliated/beford) |
| 16:43.38 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: is it a modified qt creator? |
| 16:43.51 | djszapi | no real clue, sorry :-P |
| 16:43.55 | djszapi | beford: o/ |
| 16:43.57 | itsnotabigtruck | seems like you ought to be able to use your favorite editor, qmake, and make |
| 16:43.58 | piggz | that android plugin was recently merged into qtcreator master |
| 16:44.03 | beford | hey |
| 16:44.58 | djszapi | I am kinda worried about this since installing the stuff and then simply running are broken. :o |
| 16:46.13 | djszapi | faenil: was this stuff yours ? http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/necessitas-devel/2012-April/000889.html |
| 16:47.03 | faenil | yup |
| 16:47.07 | faenil | sad answers to that |
| 16:49.11 | faenil | djszapi, why? |
| 16:50.08 | djszapi | interesting thread: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/necessitas-devel/2012-March/000802.html |
| 16:51.29 | djszapi | I have never understood myself why Necessitas is under the KDE umbrella. |
| 16:52.37 | faenil | and you can read why from there :) |
| 16:56.34 | *** join/#harmattan Burner_ (~tapsa@178-213-232-30.nat.reilunet.fi) |
| 16:57.39 | djszapi | faenil: not really. I think there are not too strong reasons for that. |
| 16:58.34 | faenil | not too strong, yeah |
| 16:58.42 | djszapi | I wonder what the qt quick situation is on Android... They have been planning that for quite a while, but I am afraid one needs to write the UI with plain QML. |
| 16:58.45 | djszapi | :( |
| 16:58.47 | faenil | and another thing is, I don't understand why Bogdan still manages everything there |
| 16:58.57 | faenil | everything's stuck because he has to accept things in... |
| 16:59.21 | faenil | I used symbian components for my thesis |
| 16:59.50 | *** join/#harmattan amppa (amppa@amppa.ztesch.fi) |
| 16:59.50 | djszapi | you are essentially saying that, there is no contribution model over there ? |
| 17:00.23 | djszapi | there is BogDan and everybody else ? :-) |
| 17:00.42 | faenil | that's what I got from that |
| 17:00.59 | faenil | people send patches and wait for "bogdan" "when he has time" to review them |
| 17:02.43 | djszapi | at least I do not hear myself many applications (Qt) ported to Android. |
| 17:02.52 | djszapi | I believe, this project is older than a year though. |
| 17:03.21 | faenil | yes a year and a half maybe |
| 17:03.25 | faenil | there are some android qt apps |
| 17:03.26 | faenil | not many |
| 17:03.35 | faenil | because many things like multimedia and mobility are mostly missing |
| 17:03.39 | djszapi | what I saw, are horribly slow :-P |
| 17:03.48 | djszapi | and qtquick |
| 17:03.54 | faenil | my app is smooth, as far as I can tell |
| 17:03.58 | djszapi | who wanna write apps nowadays in plain QML ? |
| 17:04.25 | djszapi | I instantly thought your application rocks :-P |
| 17:04.42 | faenil | lol you've never seen it :D |
| 17:04.56 | djszapi | lucky me :P |
| 17:04.58 | djszapi | hides |
| 17:05.02 | faenil | ahhahha |
| 17:05.34 | faenil | you'll see it soon on play store ;) |
| 17:06.02 | djszapi | well, I do not use Android myself. My users would like to have an Android frontend, that is all. |
| 17:06.21 | djszapi | However, I need to rewrite the ui components I was able to use out-of-the-box with the Desktop Components. |
| 17:06.42 | djszapi | (Provided once QtCreator can be launched) |
| 17:07.32 | faenil | can't you use symbian compoennts? |
| 17:07.43 | djszapi | on Android ? :o |
| 17:08.00 | faenil | read what I told you...-.- |
| 17:08.10 | faenil | <faenil> I used symbian components for my thesis |
| 17:08.26 | djszapi | I sometimes do, when it makes sense :P |
| 17:08.42 | faenil | LOL |
| 17:08.43 | djszapi | ok, but for Android or Symbian ? |
| 17:08.51 | faenil | http://qt.gitorious.org/~koying/qt-components/android-qt-components |
| 17:09.57 | djszapi | you do realize that repository has almost zero components yet ? :) |
| 17:11.27 | djszapi | and almost no work on the project. :-P |
| 17:12.33 | faenil | no work is needed |
| 17:12.42 | faenil | if you take symbian components and you compile them, they work..-.- |
| 17:12.49 | faenil | it's not like meego components |
| 17:13.01 | djszapi | do they look any cool ? |
| 17:13.20 | faenil | they're symbian components man xD |
| 17:13.27 | faenil | ever seen them? :D |
| 17:16.24 | faenil | I can show you my app via webcam if you wish |
| 17:16.29 | faenil | to see how they work |
| 17:17.04 | faenil | djszapi, ^ |
| 17:22.26 | djszapi | will it blow up ? |
| 17:23.11 | faenil | lol |
| 17:23.30 | faenil | djszapi, I only have few minutes, so fast, decide :) |
| 17:30.14 | djszapi | faenil: ok |
| 17:30.26 | faenil | ok what xD |
| 17:31.01 | djszapi | show up, what else man../ |
| 17:31.05 | faenil | come to gtalk if you want to see it |
| 17:31.18 | faenil | djszapi, maybe "ok I'll think about it" lol |
| 17:31.33 | djszapi | cannot you call me on N9 ? |
| 17:32.22 | faenil | ouch haven't used my n950 in a bit |
| 17:32.30 | faenil | is gtalk already supported? I don't even remember |
| 17:32.42 | djszapi | well, there is this Gtalk Video Call thingie.. |
| 17:32.54 | faenil | is it a plugin? or is it included? |
| 17:33.00 | djszapi | ovi |
| 17:33.38 | djszapi | at any rate, cannoy you just send screenshots... |
| 17:33.42 | djszapi | cannot* |
| 17:33.45 | faenil | ok... |
| 17:33.53 | djszapi | what xD |
| 17:34.17 | djszapi | after updating the video call thingy..my device rebooted with a red message: "Rescuing software..." |
| 17:34.31 | *** join/#harmattan napcode (~quassel@cable-86-56-37-192.cust.telecolumbus.net) |
| 17:35.06 | faenil | LOL |
| 17:35.11 | faenil | I'll send screens |
| 17:41.26 | rzr | hi |
| 17:41.47 | rzr | do u know how to toggle nokia maps from miles to kmeters ? |
| 17:50.07 | napcode | rzr: regional format in settings? |
| 17:53.43 | *** part/#harmattan djszapi (~lpapp@kde/developer/lpapp) |
| 18:00.47 | rzr | napcode, well spotted |
| 18:01.58 | napcode | glad it worked :) |
| 18:05.01 | rzr | thx |
| 18:22.54 | *** join/#harmattan Sniper_swe (~communi@78-73-62-213-no187.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 18:36.13 | *** join/#harmattan hardaker (~hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 18:40.16 | *** join/#harmattan Arie (~Arie@c-69-255-229-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 18:44.42 | *** join/#harmattan Arie (~Arie@c-69-255-229-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 18:53.30 | *** join/#harmattan diverse_izzue (~hunzikea@2606ds5-by.1.fullrate.dk) |
| 18:55.49 | *** join/#harmattan Arie (~Arie@c-69-255-229-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 19:04.25 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: weird, i thought it was in the options |
| 19:04.50 | itsnotabigtruck | there's lots of cases where road units aren't national units |
| 19:04.54 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. the UK |
| 19:05.25 | itsnotabigtruck | or any time you're traveling with your N9 to the UK or US, or vice versa |
| 19:05.51 | itsnotabigtruck | and want to leave the settings at what you're accustomed to, but also want the units to match where you are |
| 19:11.34 | rzr | itsnotabigtruck, for the drive app |
| 19:12.01 | rzr | itsnotabigtruck, talking about the map one |
| 19:17.12 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: ah right |
| 19:19.17 | *** join/#harmattan harbaum__ (~quassel@dslb-088-066-135-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:19.28 | *** join/#harmattan mschlens (~mschlens@e180033057.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:24.47 | *** join/#harmattan harbaum__ (~quassel@dslb-088-066-135-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:31.58 | *** join/#harmattan harbaum__ (~quassel@dslb-088-066-135-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:34.03 | *** join/#harmattan Jare (~jare@diz6.kyla.fi) |
| 19:34.27 | *** join/#harmattan beford (~beford@unaffiliated/beford) |
| 19:34.32 | *** join/#harmattan kozzi (nguyen@lehtori.cc.tut.fi) |
| 19:34.34 | *** join/#harmattan tomma (~tomma@a91-153-219-149.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 19:39.11 | *** join/#harmattan tom_ (~tom@93.186.155.217) |
| 19:39.27 | *** join/#harmattan arcean (~arcean@aacv204.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 20:05.37 | *** join/#harmattan Venemo (~chatzilla@host-94-248-212-179.kabelnet.hu) |
| 20:05.52 | *** join/#harmattan Venemo (~chatzilla@fedora/Venemo) |
| 20:13.22 | *** join/#harmattan piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-174-117.as13285.net) |
| 20:25.04 | *** join/#harmattan aheinecke (~quassel@77.245.47.29) |
| 20:41.16 | *** join/#harmattan n9appscom (~n9appscom@85-23-13-196.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 20:46.47 | *** join/#harmattan piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-174-117.as13285.net) |
| 21:29.57 | *** join/#harmattan tgalal (~tarekg@62.135.87.20) |
| 21:33.50 | tgalal | setting icon for an accounts plugin, anyone? |
| 21:41.59 | *** join/#harmattan piggz (~piggz@host-92-18-174-117.as13285.net) |
| 21:50.31 | *** part/#harmattan DrGrov (~C.J@a91-153-77-41.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 22:09.37 | mankeli | soo.. does anyone know if it's possible to make program start without the transition? |
| 22:12.50 | mankeli | none of the apps does it, but the incoming phone call dialog does a different transition when it opens. dunno how the mechanism works tho |
| 22:28.04 | *** join/#harmattan tom___ (~tom@93.186.155.112) |
| 23:42.56 | *** join/#harmattan lbt (~david@Maemo/community/contributor/lbt) |
| 23:58.27 | *** join/#harmattan DrGrov (~C.J@a91-153-77-41.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |