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| 01:42.26 | ukhamitov | hello |
| 01:43.43 | itsnotabigtruck | 'sup ukhamitov |
| 01:45.40 | ukhamitov | how i can backup my apps? |
| 01:51.02 | itsnotabigtruck | you can't, really...but you could download the debs for the apps you need and keep those on your computer |
| 01:51.04 | itsnotabigtruck | dammit |
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| 02:07.55 | CreamyG31337 | haha |
| 02:08.03 | CreamyG31337 | impatient ppl |
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| 12:04.58 | Venemo_N950 | hey guys:) |
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| 12:12.02 | aquarius | grumble. The tiniest python+qml harmattan program, run in scratchbox, and console.log()s from JavaScript in the QML don't print on the console. Are they supposed to? |
| 12:13.55 | aquarius | this stuff is dead confusing; I can't tell whether it's supposed to work and I'm just thick, or what :) |
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| 12:15.35 | aquarius | code (all 40 lines of it) at http://paste.ubuntu.com/952266/ -- do I need to be grabbing a "console log" signal in Python and printing the parameters to it or something? As far as I can tell every guide out there ont he web just says "use console.log" and expects it to work :) |
| 12:16.15 | alterego | No, though you might have to setup a logger. Not used Python and QML. |
| 12:22.26 | aquarius | alterego, I am most puzzled as to why I don't see the output :( |
| 12:23.00 | aquarius | from a QML perspective, I've got the oncompleted handler in the right place, yes? That is: that console.log will be fired when the app loads? |
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| 12:26.49 | aquarius | javascript *errors* are printed on the console fine |
| 12:27.01 | aquarius | maybe I should just define my own signal and use that for logging. sigh :) |
| 12:27.49 | alterego | I'd maybe ask Python Qt guys about it, it would be preferable to use the appropriate way of logging messages .. |
| 12:28.11 | jonni | by default console.log writes to dev/null in release binaries if I remember right |
| 12:28.21 | jonni | you need to enable it manually if you want stdout |
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| 12:29.33 | aquarius | ! |
| 12:29.40 | aquarius | jonni, aha! How do I enable it manually? |
| 12:31.50 | aquarius | that sounds like exactly my problem :) |
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| 12:36.08 | jonni | aquarius: I usually add this helper function to get all debugging messages and console.logs into screen during development phase, and then just comment out that messagehandler when I release to ovi store. http://pastebin.com/T5G5XSEk |
| 12:36.34 | alterego | I'd use a command line flag, but that's just me :P |
| 12:36.45 | aquarius | useful! |
| 12:36.49 | aquarius | qInstallMsghandler, eh? |
| 12:39.42 | jonni | aquarius: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qtglobal.html#qInstallMsgHandler |
| 12:42.43 | aquarius | ok, that seems to work. nice |
| 12:43.00 | aquarius | it gets called for *all* debug messages, not just my console log messages, but that's fine :) |
| 12:43.27 | jonni | you can add filterin in that function only to print your messages |
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| 12:46.15 | aquarius | oh, sure |
| 12:48.37 | aquarius | ok, now I need to man up and read about displayable lists. thanks, jonni and alterego! |
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| 13:02.20 | djszapi | hey, anybody having a Mac in here ? |
| 13:11.22 | Venemo | lol |
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| 13:13.02 | SpeedEvil | I have an apple product. |
| 13:13.12 | SpeedEvil | I mean to ebay it |
| 13:13.51 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Apple-Monitor-G090S-825-0997-A-Vintage-Composite-Green-RCA-115V-Display-/130592033547?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e67e44b0b |
| 13:13.55 | SpeedEvil | To be specific |
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| 13:25.40 | Jare | lol, why would someone pay a hundred euros for one of those |
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| 13:36.58 | itsnotabigtruck | steam for linux is confirmed! |
| 13:37.53 | itsnotabigtruck | actually... |
| 13:38.02 | itsnotabigtruck | it looks like the articles are just echoing the phoronix stuff the other day |
| 13:38.15 | itsnotabigtruck | doesn't look like valve put out a press release or anything of that sort |
| 13:41.26 | Termana | itsnotabigtruck, wow, slow down there fella, did you know you were going 100MBPS above the limit? |
| 13:41.52 | Termana | 100MBP/s* |
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| 13:42.29 | Termana | 100 million backpedals per second above the limit |
| 13:42.36 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 13:42.44 | Jaffa_ | djszapi: My wife's got a MacBook Air |
| 13:43.03 | djszapi | Jaffa_: I would need someone to build a simple qt add-on for one information. |
| 13:43.16 | djszapi | only prerequisite is Qt on the system. |
| 13:43.22 | djszapi | QtCore, to be precise. |
| 13:43.42 | Jaffa_ | djszapi: Does it need to be built (i.e. Qt Creator) - or just run? |
| 13:43.54 | djszapi | I need to get that built. |
| 13:44.16 | djszapi | I would need the information where the output library is built in the project tree. |
| 13:44.29 | djszapi | it is projectroot/src on Linux, projectroot/{release,debug} on Windows. |
| 13:44.35 | djszapi | I would like to make sure the relevant patch is cross-platform |
| 13:44.59 | Jaffa_ | I'll set Qt Creator up later |
| 13:45.30 | djszapi | ok, feel free to ping me in private. I will leave this channel soon. |
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| 13:52.22 | itsnotabigtruck | what's the most harmattanish way to make a messagebox |
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| 13:56.25 | Venemo | itsnotabigtruck: QueryDialog with a single OK button |
| 13:57.41 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-querydialog.html hmm, sounds good |
| 13:58.08 | djszapi | yep, that is what people use including me. |
| 13:58.30 | djszapi | by the way, how much usage did qt5 get on Harmattan amongst application developers ? |
| 13:59.35 | itsnotabigtruck | well, it |
| 13:59.42 | djszapi | though, ok button is not stricly needed since it is simple to dismiss anyway |
| 13:59.44 | itsnotabigtruck | *it's not even officially out on the desktop, is it? |
| 13:59.59 | itsnotabigtruck | btw how backward compatible is qt5 with qt4 |
| 14:00.07 | itsnotabigtruck | would it be possible to replace qt4 with qt5? |
| 14:00.09 | djszapi | it is not fully |
| 14:00.13 | itsnotabigtruck | pretty sure that wasn't the case with qt3 -> qt4 |
| 14:00.15 | djszapi | depends |
| 14:00.20 | djszapi | attica built oob |
| 14:00.23 | djszapi | mula did not |
| 14:00.26 | djszapi | khangman did not |
| 14:00.30 | djszapi | kanagram did not |
| 14:00.31 | djszapi | gluon did not |
| 14:00.32 | djszapi | etc |
| 14:00.40 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, so installing qt5 as libqt4blahblah is probably a no go then |
| 14:00.56 | djszapi | fromevery pov possible. |
| 14:01.16 | itsnotabigtruck | where *are* the latest harmattan qt5 packages, anyway |
| 14:01.24 | djszapi | at the same place like half a year ago |
| 14:01.55 | itsnotabigtruck | doesn't help >_> |
| 14:02.31 | djszapi | http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-January/001371.html |
| 14:02.37 | djszapi | well, you should google :) |
| 14:03.00 | djszapi | andfrom February: http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2012-February/001795.html |
| 14:03.06 | djszapi | apparently not fully half a year ago |
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| 14:05.18 | itsnotabigtruck | http://qtlabs.org.br/~lmoura/qt5/ looks like it's that |
| 14:05.32 | djszapi | toobad |
| 14:05.42 | itsnotabigtruck | could have just linked it x_x esp because your 1st link points nowhere near that and the 2nd one is 3 levels of indirection away |
| 14:06.14 | jonni | http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5_on_Nokia_N9 |
| 14:06.25 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, hm, last modified march |
| 14:06.49 | djszapi | that is what I meant by too bad :) |
| 14:06.54 | djszapi | quite outdated. |
| 14:07.02 | itsnotabigtruck | also https://qt.gitorious.org/~lauromoura/qt-components/lauromoura-qt-components this probably needs to be synced to the pr1.3 changes to qt components |
| 14:07.25 | djszapi | jonni: that page is utterly broken |
| 14:07.40 | itsnotabigtruck | djszapi: it is however the one i found that repo from though, so yeah |
| 14:07.43 | djszapi | take a look at the sources link at the end |
| 14:07.48 | jonni | if you want latest version of qt5 for n9 you can built it yourself by following http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/SettingUpDevelopmentEnvironmentForN9 |
| 14:07.50 | djszapi | no |
| 14:07.59 | djszapi | it was first only on the mailing list |
| 14:08.05 | djszapi | and then we asked the guys to put in there. |
| 14:08.15 | djszapi | I kinda hoped for proper links, and not broken when we asked him... |
| 14:08.31 | itsnotabigtruck | what do you mean 'broken'? they seem to work, except they're all to lauromoura's forks |
| 14:08.43 | itsnotabigtruck | but i'm guessing that "stock" qt5 doesn't build/work on harmattan or something |
| 14:08.52 | djszapi | broken here. |
| 14:08.59 | djszapi | perhaps gitorious fail again as every single day |
| 14:09.03 | djszapi | but it is definitely broken here. |
| 14:09.16 | itsnotabigtruck | what happens when you click them...i just get the usual gitorious page |
| 14:09.41 | itsnotabigtruck | gitorious is unreliable but not that much |
| 14:12.07 | djszapi | itsnotabigtruck: it works now. |
| 14:12.15 | djszapi | prolly gitorious outage as usual. |
| 14:12.47 | itsnotabigtruck | http://i.imgur.com/iAw3h.png :/ |
| 14:13.24 | itsnotabigtruck | damn preorder dlc |
| 14:18.59 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, maybe the qt5 port can be revived and included in a harmattan CSSU |
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| 16:14.40 | gavinrharper | Hello! I have a question about backgrounding a Harmattan application |
| 16:14.43 | gavinrharper | Is there anything special required if I just want to keep the application running in the background? |
| 16:15.01 | gavinrharper | That is, if a user returns to the main screen, is my application still running? |
| 16:15.14 | gavinrharper | I can only work in the QtSDK simulator at present and have no ay of verifying |
| 16:18.11 | phako | yes. |
| 16:18.13 | phako | er |
| 16:18.14 | phako | no. |
| 16:18.17 | phako | it keeps running |
| 16:19.10 | gavinrharper | Okay, brilliant! So it just runs as normal... onlu not in focus? |
| 16:19.15 | phako | yep |
| 16:19.26 | gavinrharper | That is entirely awesome! |
| 16:19.38 | phako | although nokia docs advise you to be a bit more polite to the device then ;) |
| 16:19.42 | gavinrharper | Do you know of the preferred method to check if it is in focus? |
| 16:20.04 | phako | gavinrharper: no. |
| 16:20.22 | phako | gavinrharper: I did a hack to check that but I think there's an easier way to do this |
| 16:20.24 | gavinrharper | That will be investigated! but otherwise, this is seriously good news! Thank you very, very much! |
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| 16:51.59 | jonni | ah gaving went away already, right way to check is platformWindow.windowState |
| 16:52.41 | itsnotabigtruck | this is why that guy needs to stay longer than 2 seconds after he thinks he has the answer :p |
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| 16:54.27 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80766 < anyone know what component is responsible for encoding audio for bluetooth transmission? |
| 16:55.22 | itsnotabigtruck | if it's in the chip, op is probably out of luck, but if it's software and open source, it might be possible to add it |
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| 16:58.39 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like apt-x is definitely a no go |
| 16:58.48 | jonni | quite unlikely as apt-x is proriatory codec |
| 16:58.50 | itsnotabigtruck | fscking proprietary codecs, they're a plague on the world |
| 16:59.01 | itsnotabigtruck | even worse than patent encumbered codecs |
| 16:59.09 | itsnotabigtruck | (which is basically all of them) |
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| 17:01.11 | itsnotabigtruck | also, https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6605 finally it's an RFC |
| 17:01.38 | itsnotabigtruck | too bad that pretty much nothing supports it yet and even fewer care about that than dnssec in general |
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| 22:01.52 | Elleo | X-Fade: not sure if you already know this, but everything in apps for meego's "internet" category also shows up in the "other" category, both on the website and in the app |
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| 22:17.02 | Sazpaimon | "Nokia Public Transport for Nokia N9" |
| 22:17.03 | Sazpaimon | oh man |
| 22:17.05 | Sazpaimon | OH MAN |
| 22:17.13 | Sazpaimon | goodbye google maps |
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| 22:27.10 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: city support is pretty lame though |
| 22:27.30 | itsnotabigtruck | but it's cool that they finally ported it |
| 22:27.30 | Sazpaimon | who cares |
| 22:27.36 | Sazpaimon | it supports all the cities I live in |
| 22:28.05 | itsnotabigtruck | and it supports none of the cities i live in :p basically unless you're in a capital/very major city it won't support it |
| 22:28.23 | Sazpaimon | its like when people tell me "x carrier covers more of the country" |
| 22:28.28 | Sazpaimon | im like okay |
| 22:28.40 | Sazpaimon | next time i'm in bumfuck wyoming i'll keep that in mind |
| 22:28.59 | itsnotabigtruck | well, that's different, because you want it to work everywhere you travel |
| 22:28.59 | Sazpaimon | of course its not the N9's fault |
| 22:29.08 | Sazpaimon | all of nokia public transit has the same coverage |
| 22:29.15 | itsnotabigtruck | well, it's either nokia's or nokia's data provider's fault |
| 22:29.27 | itsnotabigtruck | not sure if they're sourcing data from a 3rd party or direct from transit agencies |
| 22:29.46 | Sazpaimon | they're going direct |
| 22:30.08 | Sazpaimon | at least thats what I read on their forums |
| 22:30.13 | Sazpaimon | from the developers |
| 22:30.24 | CreamyG31337 | wow it works in edmonton |
| 22:30.41 | CreamyG31337 | not calgary |
| 22:30.43 | CreamyG31337 | that's funny |
| 22:30.50 | Sazpaimon | they cant just use GTFS data i guess |
| 22:30.52 | Sazpaimon | contract issues |
| 22:31.03 | CreamyG31337 | no vancouver either |
| 22:31.23 | Sazpaimon | the fact is though |
| 22:31.36 | Sazpaimon | this app is absoutely useless for anyone that's *supposed* to own an N9 |
| 22:31.42 | CreamyG31337 | lol works for "denmark" |
| 22:31.45 | Sazpaimon | so the fact that we even got it is astounding |
| 22:32.17 | Sazpaimon | also the app said it supports NJ transit when i launched it |
| 22:32.23 | Sazpaimon | and that isnt on the site |
| 22:32.29 | Sazpaimon | so its possible |
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| 22:36.05 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: what sort of contract issues? |
| 22:36.35 | Sazpaimon | well, many transit agencies have specific license agreements with their APIs |
| 22:36.45 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like the local bus agency has a public gtfs dataset |
| 22:37.05 | itsnotabigtruck | so does the bus agency at home |
| 22:38.19 | Sazpaimon | i think nokia is playing it safe and reaching out to agencies directly |
| 22:39.46 | Sazpaimon | https://www.nokia.com/gb-en/support/product/public-transport/troubleshooting/ |
| 22:40.05 | Sazpaimon | looks like it supports more cities just without timetables |
| 22:41.57 | itsnotabigtruck | what good is "without timetables"...what would that actually mean |
| 22:42.26 | CreamyG31337 | go to this bus stop... if busses are running today, you might see one |
| 22:42.55 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 22:43.01 | Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, probably equal to the public transit in the maps app |
| 22:43.02 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, that isn't so hot really |
| 22:43.04 | CreamyG31337 | i really can't imagine |
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| 22:43.31 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe i'll post some links to gtfs info pages in the beta labs forum though i'm not getting my hopes up |
| 22:43.44 | itsnotabigtruck | looked over the ToU for the data of interest and didn't see anything that would be hugely objectionable |
| 22:43.52 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. you must turn over 75% of your profits to us, mua ha ha |
| 22:44.14 | CreamyG31337 | nokia has no profits so that's fine :P |
| 22:44.18 | itsnotabigtruck | haha |
| 22:46.52 | Sazpaimon | i just tested a route in calgary |
| 22:47.17 | Sazpaimon | it gave me a timetable, but not a start time |
| 22:47.28 | Sazpaimon | just a route time I think |
| 22:48.22 | CreamyG31337 | yeah like "your trip will take an hour" but really doesn't include the time spent waiting |
| 22:49.26 | Sazpaimon | and it tells you what routes to take |
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| 22:53.38 | Sazpaimon | thats not so bad i guess |
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| 22:55.23 | Sazpaimon | surprisingly, it works for OCTA as well |
| 22:55.29 | Sazpaimon | which isnt liste |
| 22:55.47 | Sazpaimon | it's in orange county california, where public transit is kind of an afterthought |
| 22:55.55 | Sazpaimon | with timetable support |
| 22:56.19 | Sazpaimon | checking the listing, it says it;s listed as "estimated" routing |
| 22:58.18 | Sazpaimon | so theyre getting better |
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