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| 01:37.16 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83345 |
| 01:37.28 | itsnotabigtruck | why is everyone suggesting everything /but/ the n9 -_- |
| 01:37.51 | teleshoes | heh yea |
| 01:38.40 | SpeedEvil | For me, if I had the cash, I'd be extremely reluctant to buy something with no warranty, that I would have problems insuring. |
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| 01:43.37 | itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: but it's worth it! how likely is it that it'll fail in year 1 anyway |
| 01:44.18 | SpeedEvil | itsnotabigtruck: My n900 failed in year 1.5 |
| 01:51.16 | ieatlint | no one is suggesting the new openmoko phone either |
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| 01:58.15 | villager | itsnotabigtruck: sounds to me like they're not suggesting the n9 because they already have it |
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| 02:07.57 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: the new openmoko phone, however, costs a *lot* |
| 02:08.17 | itsnotabigtruck | and i'm not under the impression it's very usable as a smartphone, really |
| 02:08.50 | itsnotabigtruck | useful though if your priority #1 is knowing exactly what's on your phone, and hacking on stuff |
| 02:09.24 | itsnotabigtruck | on the other hand, these days the n9 costs significantly less than $600, and it's completely usable as a smartphone |
| 02:10.23 | keitsi | n9 costs 299e in finland... though they're out of stock for now |
| 02:10.32 | itsnotabigtruck | also dammit, didn't realize teleshoes would leave so soon |
| 02:12.31 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: yeah... i wish i had the money to throw on it right now though |
| 02:13.13 | itsnotabigtruck | it might be cool to have a gsm850 openmoko g1 |
| 02:13.26 | itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't look like anybody stocks those these days and they're pretty rare in general |
| 02:13.32 | itsnotabigtruck | well, g2 i guess, the freerunner |
| 02:14.29 | ieatlint | i have a gta02 |
| 02:14.33 | ieatlint | 850mhz in fact |
| 02:15.13 | ieatlint | but 666eur for the gta04.. |
| 02:15.41 | itsnotabigtruck | = just shy of $900 with today's exchange rates |
| 02:15.50 | keitsi | I paid 699 for my N9 :P |
| 02:16.30 | itsnotabigtruck | keitsi: E or US$ |
| 02:16.37 | keitsi | e |
| 02:16.44 | itsnotabigtruck | that's...way too much money for an N9 :p |
| 02:17.06 | keitsi | well, I needed a new phone ASAP, didn't want an android or iPhone |
| 02:17.15 | itsnotabigtruck | i thought the N9 started around US$700 |
| 02:17.23 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. around 500 eur |
| 02:17.42 | keitsi | when they hit the stores, the price was 700e for a while |
| 02:17.48 | keitsi | for 64GB |
| 02:20.19 | itsnotabigtruck | things have been awfully dead over at the #inception channel :( |
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| 03:25.28 | ieatlint | has the realization that his income tax is twice the rate of a leading candidate for president in the us |
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| 08:22.56 | petteri | so I am using offline storage api and want upgrade the database scheme for new version of my app |
| 08:23.34 | petteri | should I just pass new version number to openDatabaseSync and forget the earlier database or what? |
| 08:27.45 | petteri | 699 was lauch price here in finland. Bought one also for that price |
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| 09:49.42 | khertan_ | Morning |
| 10:28.05 | rzr | hi Khertan |
| 10:28.21 | rzr | i did test your editor, it's fine ... |
| 10:28.56 | rzr | both are bit overlaping a bit .. I may then focus on the symbian version |
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| 10:47.37 | jonni | so how many here have tested overclocking module already? |
| 11:02.26 | rzr | not me |
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| 11:25.16 | Khertan | rzr, thx |
| 11:25.44 | Khertan | next release have markdown support |
| 11:27.21 | Khertan | rzr, and i m currently testing an other way to do syntax highlight, but it's slow, and seems to made trouble in qml engine |
| 11:28.27 | rzr | <3 .md |
| 11:28.37 | rzr | is org mode planned ? |
| 11:32.26 | khertan_ | org ? |
| 11:33.02 | khertan_ | by support of markdown i mean preview ... nothing more ;) |
| 11:36.19 | khertan_ | rzr: :) |
| 11:40.42 | rzr | emacssorg -mode |
| 11:40.50 | rzr | emacs' org-mode |
| 11:41.05 | rzr | http://orgmode.org/ |
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| 12:01.09 | rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/mobi# What are the websites designed for #MobilE to #BookMark on your #PhonE ? #JQuerY #Html5 !n950club !MeeGo #MaemO |
| 12:13.49 | Corsac | … |
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| 12:58.14 | pa | http://www.meegoexperts.com/2012/03/nokia-meego-smartphones-pipeline/ |
| 12:58.17 | pa | is this true? |
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| 13:04.24 | dm8tbr | this is all based on some common rumour that surfaced recently and just reeks of wishful thinking |
| 13:07.02 | pa | hm.. so nothing sure |
| 13:08.19 | dm8tbr | 'sure' and 'true' it would be if you'd see a statement from Nokia PR |
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| 13:20.26 | jonni | is it aprils fools day already? :) |
| 13:27.26 | jonni | http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Nokia+CEO+Stephen+Elop+rules+out+possible+comeback+of+MeeGo/1135267179932 |
| 13:30.35 | pa | "In Elop's words, there is no returning to MeeGo, even if the N9 turns out to be a hit." he deserves to be fired just for this. Against any market strategy rule |
| 13:32.24 | auenf | 'future disruptions' |
| 13:32.29 | pa | but the strangest part of the article is glorifying Qt |
| 13:32.40 | pa | and then pushing WinPhone, that does not support Qt |
| 13:34.10 | faenil | not yet |
| 13:34.22 | pa | will it ever support it officially? |
| 13:35.43 | faenil | probably not officially, but who cares |
| 13:36.20 | faenil | but I'm sure Qt support will come from the community as soon as they give us the official NDK |
| 13:37.23 | faenil | and the bigger Qt becomes, the easier it gets to port it to other platforms (see. WP) |
| 13:37.47 | faenil | bigger = more developed |
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| 13:38.55 | auenf | the glorifying of QT is for the next billion iirc |
| 13:40.13 | rishi | Terms like "future disruptions" don't mean a thing when it comes from a man in the business suit. |
| 13:40.30 | rishi | Those are just gimmicks, but who gives a shit. |
| 13:40.41 | rishi | Waiting for the Vivaldi tablets to come out. |
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| 14:39.57 | luke-jr | AFAIK, the WinPhone contract forbids Nokia from porting Qt to it |
| 14:40.49 | faenil | then community will make it :) where's the prob...one guy alone made Qt for Android in 9 months (preprealpha) |
| 14:43.49 | itsnotabigtruck | luke-jr: but i thought they already did port qt to it |
| 14:43.54 | itsnotabigtruck | but it might never see the light of day |
| 14:44.03 | itsnotabigtruck | it might be for internal use only |
| 14:45.05 | itsnotabigtruck | and pa: i think it's well known that meltemi/nextbil includes some meego code, but it's definitely not meego |
| 14:45.22 | itsnotabigtruck | the original story is a huge distortion and everyone's been reblogging it without any fact checking |
| 14:46.45 | itsnotabigtruck | http://appscout.pcmag.com/mobile-apps/268765-nokia-no-qt-for-windows-phone-7 hrm |
| 14:48.23 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck, we know that, MSFT doesn't want to use more than one SDK, bla bla bla |
| 14:50.09 | pa | anyway, qtmobility should also start wrapping basic harware features, like radio, wifi, and so on, otherwise apps using these sensors/devices wont be portable |
| 14:50.38 | pa | or rather cross-platform, sorry |
| 14:56.58 | faenil | problem is qtmobility is not working anywhere correctly |
| 14:57.28 | pa | well, for contacts it works (on harmattan) |
| 14:57.51 | pa | more or less at least, i didnt do any advanced stuff |
| 14:58.40 | faenil | yeah, but harmattan and symbian are the only ones offering partial support |
| 14:58.58 | faenil | it's at early stages on Android, iOS, QNX ports |
| 14:59.39 | pa | well yeah, but those are not official ports |
| 15:00.07 | pa | you should blame those who implemented it, not nokia/qt |
| 15:01.55 | faenil | pa |
| 15:02.22 | faenil | pa, I know, but what we care about is how crossplatform our software is, as you pointed out :) |
| 15:02.59 | faenil | pa, anyway, I get your point and agree |
| 15:04.11 | faenil | but isn't wifi management already included in mobility? |
| 15:04.53 | pa | i dont know, but probably not. i've been looking everywhere for switching wlan on/off without success |
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| 15:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | april's fool? haha, haven't you realized you're still digesting last year's april's fool? ;-P |
| 16:30.24 | itsnotabigtruck | is it just me or has the noobness on TMO gone up a few notches in the past couple weeks |
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| 16:43.22 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: in couple months or last year =) |
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| 17:09.13 | M4rtinK | anybody else getting no content from the AFM app ? |
| 17:09.48 | M4rtinK | or more specifically it just displays "No Content" |
| 17:11.57 | ZogG_laptop | M4rtinK: same here |
| 17:12.33 | M4rtinK | X-Fade: any idea what might be the cause ? |
| 17:12.54 | M4rtinK | just wanted to test the new in-app QA form and now this :) |
| 17:13.57 | itsnotabigtruck | M4rtinK: there's a qa form in the app? |
| 17:14.03 | itsnotabigtruck | i haven't even been using the app, i don't like it very much |
| 17:14.06 | itsnotabigtruck | i just added the repos to apt |
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| 17:22.02 | M4rtinK | itsnotabigtruck: yep, mus have been in one of the last updates |
| 17:22.29 | M4rtinK | I find it quite that it has been finally integrated in the app |
| 17:23.06 | M4rtinK | the less obstacles testers have to go through, the better :) |
| 17:24.21 | itsnotabigtruck | M4rtinK: now you just need to convince 3 more people to test your app :p |
| 17:24.52 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: how about testing M4rtinK's app |
| 17:24.59 | itsnotabigtruck | it's stuck at 3 approvals |
| 17:25.10 | M4rtinK | good point ! :D |
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| 17:51.45 | DocScrutinizer | just to let you know: http://www.gultek.eu/genuine-parts/lcd-modules/nokia/n9-complete.html |
| 17:52.50 | itsnotabigtruck | 85 quid :O |
| 17:53.47 | teleshoes | damn! thats really really cool |
| 17:53.53 | DocScrutinizer | well, it's a complete assembly of AMOLED plus C-TS |
| 17:53.55 | teleshoes | now i dont have to use a screen protector |
| 17:54.22 | teleshoes | AMOLED Complete Lcd DIsplay [sic] |
| 17:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 17:54.57 | teleshoes | oh wait, i thought it said they had it |
| 17:55.20 | DocScrutinizer | DUH. missed that part as well |
| 17:55.34 | teleshoes | oh well |
| 17:55.49 | teleshoes | i guess have to go right back to feeling guilty about not using a screen protector |
| 17:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | you still could ask a Nokia Care how much they'd charge for swapping the TS |
| 17:56.52 | teleshoes | in america! |
| 17:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, N9 is supposedly still in production at Nokia, no? |
| 17:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | unlike N900 |
| 17:57.22 | teleshoes | such bullshit how they wont even fix an n900 anymore |
| 17:57.32 | teleshoes | if you send it in, they basically confiscate it |
| 17:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | where they rather give you a C7 or similar crap, maybe an N8, rather than fixing your N900 on warranty |
| 17:57.59 | teleshoes | at least what they give you has value on the market |
| 17:58.09 | teleshoes | but its a hassle to sell it and then buy another n900 |
| 17:58.45 | DocScrutinizer | no manufacturer may *confiscate* MY device |
| 17:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | they damn better at very least return the unfixed device to me |
| 18:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | or they send a dude to Hongkong to get me a new one |
| 18:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | I'd definitely not accept any such scam like giving me crappy "replacement" N8 or whatever |
| 18:02.08 | teleshoes | well, you can just buy one on ebay |
| 18:02.24 | teleshoes | selling an n8 at profit |
| 18:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | doen't matter, and btw no new ones on fleabay |
| 18:02.45 | teleshoes | oh noes |
| 18:02.50 | teleshoes | didnt know that day had come |
| 18:03.24 | DocScrutinizer | except that Hongkong source |
| 18:03.44 | DocScrutinizer | that'S why I said they may send a dude over there, to get me new one |
| 18:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | what a gashead ever came up with the idea for policy to get rid of spare parts before even the 2 years warranty period from 1st time to marjket expired, that dude deserves some proper treatment |
| 18:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | and since THAT incident Nokia basically is a no-go for me |
| 18:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | I mean I probably still get spare parts for my 12 year old 6210, originally from Nokia |
| 18:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | and even a written and by-law warranty not being worth the paper it's written on, well that makes me just sad |
| 18:09.45 | teleshoes | yea |
| 18:10.04 | DocScrutinizer | "OK you paid for it, now please forget the address and even name of Nokia" |
| 18:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | basically you can buy things from such rogue manufacturer only with a 10 year leasing contract |
| 18:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | and even then... :-S |
| 18:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | I mean my investment into sw to run on that and *only* on that device/platform could easily be multiple of the original device value |
| 18:13.12 | DocScrutinizer | not to mention my investment into spare time I spend to tweak the thing to match my needs |
| 18:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | I must be god's favourite idiot to develop for such platform and plan to *sell* my stuff |
| 18:14.51 | DocScrutinizer | odds are the platform is obsolete before my development ready for rollout |
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| 20:11.41 | javispedro | faenil: there? |
| 20:14.16 | faenil | javispedro, yup |
| 20:14.21 | faenil | javispedro, sup? |
| 20:14.23 | faenil | :) |
| 20:14.34 | javispedro | (pm) |
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| 20:28.29 | itsnotabigtruck | ajalkane: ping |
| 20:30.45 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know of any good libraries for *nix that provide things like file opening, porcess spawning, etc. |
| 20:31.25 | faenil | fork? :D |
| 20:32.17 | javispedro | libc? =) |
| 20:32.30 | itsnotabigtruck | x_x |
| 20:33.01 | itsnotabigtruck | the c library functions have less than ideal interfaces and result in a massive heap of boilerplate code |
| 20:33.21 | javispedro | well, there's glib on the device, but some say it actually adds more boilerplate |
| 20:33.55 | itsnotabigtruck | also it doesn't matter for this, but the standard c functions are entirely insufficient for anything serious, and posix functions are unportable |
| 20:34.40 | itsnotabigtruck | right, something like glib, but glib appears to be actually rather lacking in the file i/o department |
| 20:34.54 | javispedro | because there's gio for that |
| 20:34.59 | javispedro | albeit gio is hardly lightweight |
| 20:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | omg |
| 20:35.58 | javispedro | hello DocScrutinizer |
| 20:36.03 | DocScrutinizer | hi :-D |
| 20:37.22 | DocScrutinizer | I could hardly think of any lib facilitating fopen() |
| 20:37.34 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, gio looks pretty heavy and undesirable for simple console apps |
| 20:39.14 | javispedro | well I can concur that ansi c is lacking in some aspects, such as e.g. spawning a process and reading its standard output |
| 20:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | well, yes. If you don't want some simple stuff like system(9 then yep, you need some extra lines |
| 20:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | system() even |
| 20:42.07 | itsnotabigtruck | well, for example, reading a file |
| 20:42.53 | javispedro | there's certainly a helper for that in glib (that="reading entire file into mem") |
| 20:43.08 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't want to have to open() the file, spin on eintr, fstat() it, read() it, spinning on eintr and incomplete reads, ... |
| 20:43.17 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, glib does handle that particular case |
| 20:43.26 | itsnotabigtruck | but it doesn't handle the other cases |
| 20:43.27 | javispedro | (also QtCore ;P) |
| 20:44.02 | itsnotabigtruck | for example in inpkgsign i need to open a file for writing without truncation, and incrementally write stuff to it |
| 20:44.40 | itsnotabigtruck | and be able to easily detect when things go wrong without a stupid amount of code |
| 20:45.56 | javispedro | (on glibc you can avoid EINTR altogether with some signal.h trickery; dunno about win32) |
| 20:46.33 | itsnotabigtruck | well, windows doesn't have anything like eintr so it's not a problem |
| 20:46.39 | itsnotabigtruck | if you mean sa_restart, that's not very pretty |
| 20:54.08 | rzr | khertan_, hi can you help on http://bugs.pyside.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1000 ? |
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| 21:02.46 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro DocScrutinizer: so, no idea about any libraries like this besides glib and qt? |
| 21:03.08 | itsnotabigtruck | this isn't exactly an uncommon requirement, i find it hard to believe those are the only games in town |
| 21:04.35 | javispedro | calling libc "boilerplatish" isn't a common opinion =) |
| 21:08.36 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: sure it is...posix apis are the result of decades of cruft and backward compatibility and aren't very nice to use in the slightest |
| 21:10.12 | itsnotabigtruck | sure, they do give you maximum power, but sometimes you want to write c code -and- not have to jump through lots of bs hoops just to write files and things |
| 21:12.46 | javispedro | well, I have rather the opposite opinion, so I can't be of much help there |
| 21:13.51 | itsnotabigtruck | then you probably haven't dealt with it much lately :p |
| 21:16.05 | javispedro | I think that you need to try AIO or similar brainfsck to know how good plain stdlib is =) |
| 21:17.00 | villager | why is eintr a problem? normally it shouldn't be |
| 21:17.30 | itsnotabigtruck | villager: because i want it to be robust if somebody decides to spam my program with ignored signals or something |
| 21:18.11 | villager | if it's ignored, then it shouldn't cause an eintr, should it? |
| 21:18.25 | itsnotabigtruck | and in theory you're *always* supposed to detect eintr and retry, unless you're doing something unusual and using eintr to break out of a call |
| 21:20.32 | itsnotabigtruck | and it feels like all the error handling code is starting to snowball into this terrible mess |
| 21:21.07 | javispedro | you can't implement the Nth iteration of fully_write/safe_write and call it a day? |
| 21:21.59 | villager | I just feel that if you're concerned about eintr when doing regular file access, you're doing something wrong |
| 21:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | well, itsnotabigtruck has a tendency to think old proven stuff been done by idiots and he's about to implement the new shiny world |
| 21:23.55 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: i've already done that, but having to do so is exactly the problem |
| 21:24.00 | itsnotabigtruck | the very need for that is proof that posix just isn't usable for regular programming |
| 21:24.26 | itsnotabigtruck | if you have to hide away the complexities of an api, the api isn't doing its job |
| 21:24.40 | itsnotabigtruck | and every single project shouldn't need a pile of cruft to deal with it |
| 21:25.08 | itsnotabigtruck | so i was hoping that at least someone already did all the cruft and put it in a library |
| 21:25.30 | javispedro | there's no way in hell you are going to skip this trivial level of error handling |
| 21:25.33 | villager | itsnotabigtruck: nah, I think the rest of us actually knows how to use the api |
| 21:25.43 | DocScrutinizer | no sir, you're the very first one with that brilliant insight |
| 21:25.47 | javispedro | at somepoint, you will have to write what happens when there is a short read, or the device is full |
| 21:25.52 | javispedro | *write |
| 21:26.04 | javispedro | a magic library at most will assert() on that |
| 21:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | see why today's sw sucks? |
| 21:26.48 | javispedro | even C++'s iostreams force you to check for .good() everytime you << to an ostream |
| 21:26.50 | villager | I know glib has some i/o stuff |
| 21:26.50 | javispedro | (noone does it) |
| 21:27.14 | villager | but it's not much nicer to use if you're using c, since you still have to check for errors |
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| 21:27.56 | villager | though it does make reading line-by-line easier I think |
| 21:28.33 | villager | g_io_channel_read_line ftw |
| 21:32.22 | itsnotabigtruck | villager: the 'file utilities' functions are mostly just symlinks to libc, iochannels seem to be oriented toward text |
| 21:33.05 | javispedro | channels can work with binary if you set the encoding to raw |
| 21:33.12 | itsnotabigtruck | also the api for opening the iochannel is pretty limited and forces going back to open() and then wrapping that with an iochannel |
| 21:33.48 | itsnotabigtruck | it also doesn't seem to guarantee that a short read is an eof |
| 21:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | sigh |
| 21:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | it all boils down to the notion that all those who wrote all the proven to work stuff in e.g coreutils were idiots, but now you came to do it right |
| 21:37.10 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: that's your idea, not mine |
| 21:37.23 | itsnotabigtruck | don't be an ass |
| 21:38.04 | DocScrutinizer | no, your idea is simply that all the other idiots were too lazy to create a lib for you so you don't have to deal with stuff that's inevitable to deal with |
| 21:38.22 | Anssi138 | *gets popcorn* |
| 21:38.35 | Anssi138 | or beer in this case. |
| 21:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | Anssi138: forget it, I'm already bored |
| 21:39.03 | javispedro | maybe the #posix guys will be happy to help =) |
| 21:39.51 | Anssi138 | and dont mix linux to posix either. |
| 21:40.50 | Anssi138 | ^ that comment always cheers up people. |
| 21:46.19 | ZogG_laptop | omg, wrong channel... oh, wit it's not =) |
| 21:52.14 | bindi | ahem |
| 21:52.30 | bindi | is there any way to export contacts and edit them on PC and import them back? |
| 21:52.55 | bindi | old phone decided to save them in some non-standard way on the sim card |
| 21:52.59 | bindi | "lastname;firstname/1" <.< |
| 21:56.19 | ZogG_laptop | bindi: there is thread on TMO afaik that explaines how to extrackt them from database, so you can edit them with script i think |
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| 21:56.30 | ZogG_laptop | parse and change |
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| 21:58.59 | DocScrutinizer | aah, a semi-standard way |
| 21:59.44 | DocScrutinizer | some semi-documented semi-standardized way to have rich contacts on poor stupid sim |
| 22:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | probably a Motorola, or a Sony? |
| 22:00.25 | bindi | sony |
| 22:00.34 | bindi | wait actually |
| 22:00.38 | bindi | sony ericsson |
| 22:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | if only I could recall where I commented on it |
| 22:02.26 | DocScrutinizer | either it was in maemo, or rather in fso/shr domain |
| 22:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/EtLz1leWaBnIGqaOWy1p |
| 22:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | wow, didn't think I'd find a comment from 2009 that fast |
| 22:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | anyway seems Nokia is using that scheme as well, so it should get handled properly by HARM |
| 22:09.17 | bindi | well, it didn't |
| 22:09.22 | bindi | it's like that in the contacts |
| 22:09.29 | bindi | when i imported from sim |
| 22:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | blame HARM |
| 22:11.33 | bindi | i'd rather get it fixed than blame anything :p |
| 22:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | I'd open a bug ticket... wait, they closed trac so no more tickets :-P |
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| 22:12.17 | DocScrutinizer | you could fix it yourself, but where's the sourcecode...? |
| 22:13.00 | bindi | could always install android ICS :d |
| 22:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | I neither understand :p nor :q |
| 22:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | I do understand :-P |
| 22:14.24 | bindi | well |
| 22:14.29 | bindi | i'm glad I had a 'd' and not one of those |
| 22:14.44 | bindi | but it was a capslock failure, what I meant was ':D' |
| 22:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 22:15.15 | javispedro | does android also follow that scheme? |
| 22:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 22:15.30 | bindi | nfc brings to mind |
| 22:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 22:15.35 | bindi | nfc between N9 and galaxy nexus doesn't work :( |
| 22:15.47 | bindi | wait actually, it does but not everything |
| 22:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | not really any surprise |
| 22:15.54 | javispedro | N9 brings to mind.. |
| 22:16.08 | bindi | before pr 1.2 it didn't work at all, now i can send links but not pictures |
| 22:16.14 | javispedro | ... that I should join #n9 and start asking where it is being sold at <300eur. |
| 22:16.27 | bindi | got it for 299e :p |
| 22:16.30 | bindi | or well, my mum did |
| 22:16.35 | javispedro | .fi ? |
| 22:16.38 | bindi | ya |
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| 22:18.38 | javispedro | pft |
| 22:19.16 | javispedro | ship internationally dammit |
| 22:21.07 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it seems like extremely few EU based resellers ship out of the EU |
| 22:21.23 | javispedro | and no .fi resellers ship outside of .fi ;P |
| 22:21.39 | itsnotabigtruck | none at all? i doubt that :p |
| 22:22.04 | javispedro | well, i'd like to see one.... specially one of those 300eur. ones |
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| 22:27.27 | faenil | mmm this isn't funny |
| 22:27.35 | faenil | the led of my n950's kb blinks |
| 22:27.38 | faenil | backlight |
| 22:28.39 | faenil | I see the keyboard blinking... |
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| 22:28.59 | faenil | and when I slide the keyboard or it locks, it doesn't stop blinking...-.- |
| 22:29.45 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: did you turn r&d mode on? |
| 22:30.32 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck, yes, marquiz made me do that to debug dualbooting issues |
| 22:30.34 | faenil | is that it? |
| 22:31.03 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: yep, just turn that back off and you'll be set |
| 22:31.15 | itsnotabigtruck | does enabling that do anything useful on n9, anyway? |
| 22:31.41 | faenil | don't know... |
| 22:32.08 | itsnotabigtruck | well, why did (he?) have you enable it, in the first place :p |
| 22:32.12 | faenil | anyway, that's why my N950 was discharging faster...kb didn't stop blinking :D |
| 22:32.32 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck, just an attempt :P |
| 22:32.43 | faenil | I disabled watchdog |
| 22:32.57 | faenil | marquiz thought that prevented harmattan from booting in the dualboot setup |
| 22:33.27 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: ah, ok, that makes sense then |
| 22:33.41 | itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, better undo that now and disable r&d mode to stop the blinking |
| 22:33.53 | faenil | yeah |
| 22:34.02 | faenil | don't see why it should blink though :P |
| 22:35.21 | javispedro | so it turned out that the positioningd output is already unfiltered, despite me thinking it was filtered |
| 22:35.51 | javispedro | http://javispedro.com/maemo/captures/maebasecamp.png mwahaha |
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