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| 00:37.11 | javispedro | I don't understand why everyone's surprised at that |
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| 00:38.30 | beford | about |
| 00:39.26 | javispedro | doesn't "at" work there too? |
| 00:40.02 | beford | no I mean |
| 00:40.03 | beford | about what |
| 00:40.05 | beford | xD |
| 00:40.23 | beford | itsnotabigtruck having issues compiling kernel modules? |
| 00:40.40 | javispedro | ah well, too used to being corrected |
| 00:40.52 | javispedro | about finding "incompatible symbols" error msgs |
| 00:41.03 | beford | I'm a spanish speaker so don't expect to get corrected by me |
| 00:44.01 | itsnotabigtruck | beford: yeah |
| 00:44.57 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: ah, well, i hadn't tried this before and i thought that as long as the modules don't pull in defines that contaminate the main kernel, it should all be good |
| 00:45.11 | itsnotabigtruck | it's probably still possible to build many of the modules in a way that minimizes contamination |
| 00:45.45 | javispedro | well, this kernel has a lot less stuff by default than previous devices kernels |
| 00:45.56 | javispedro | so the number will be very small |
| 00:50.23 | javispedro | (technically everything is possible though, even overclocking, it's just a matter of how much roadblocks one is willing to jump) |
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| 00:52.03 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: heh |
| 00:52.12 | itsnotabigtruck | overclocking is probably one of the easier things |
| 00:52.19 | itsnotabigtruck | this issue i'm having is a problem specific to in-tree modules |
| 00:52.53 | itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, it's looking like the only real options for kernel customization are open mode or two-phase boot |
| 00:56.47 | virtuald | guys |
| 00:57.23 | virtuald | are you staying awake until 1:59:26,5359 gmt to celebrate pi day? |
| 00:57.32 | virtuald | or CET? |
| 00:57.37 | virtuald | ;=) |
| 00:59.30 | virtuald | happy pi day! |
| 00:59.59 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 01:00.09 | virtuald | :D |
| 01:03.11 | itsnotabigtruck | virtuald: got any ideas for cool mods to do with inception |
| 01:03.44 | virtuald | i was thinking if there's some way to get direct access to the sim |
| 01:04.39 | virtuald | http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/A5_GSM_AT_tricks |
| 01:05.04 | virtuald | dunno if you need inception for it |
| 01:05.08 | virtuald | should try |
| 01:05.17 | javispedro | at on the n9/50 is emulated |
| 01:05.31 | virtuald | ok |
| 01:05.45 | javispedro | you do not need anything to talk to the at emulator, just use windows hyperterminal and plug n9 via usb, or bluetooth |
| 01:05.46 | virtuald | it's not on the iphone? |
| 01:05.51 | javispedro | no idea |
| 01:06.09 | virtuald | i don't use windows |
| 01:06.24 | javispedro | then "minicom /dev/ttyACM[0-9]" |
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| 01:06.39 | virtuald | i use xen which i don't know how to use so i'm a bit crippled at the moment |
| 01:07.15 | virtuald | should reinstall because kvm is way better i found out |
| 01:07.28 | virtuald | especially at conserving memory |
| 01:08.09 | virtuald | it has some neat copy on write tricks |
| 01:08.30 | javispedro | prefers xen, but I admit kvm has more active development |
| 01:08.54 | javispedro | xen is still best for some stuff (pci passthrough) imo |
| 01:09.41 | virtuald | ok i', on qubes os and feel a bit locked in because i haven't rtfm enough |
| 01:14.03 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like afm just went down |
| 01:15.16 | itsnotabigtruck | harmattan-dev.nokia.com doesn't seem to be working either |
| 01:15.29 | virtuald | what's afm? |
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| 01:16.34 | javispedro | hmprf |
| 01:16.48 | javispedro | would anyone understand why the qt doc writer meant here by "wrapped in a typedef macro"? |
| 01:16.53 | javispedro | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/service-frameworks.html#limitations |
| 01:17.02 | javispedro | s/why/what |
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| 01:18.11 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: that paragraph is an abomination |
| 01:18.23 | itsnotabigtruck | "When using interger types for arguments...bass types" |
| 01:19.13 | javispedro | I understand that nothing forbids me from passing a struct |
| 01:19.27 | javispedro | but my guts say that I will have to write the dbus marshaller by myself |
| 01:19.47 | javispedro | so the entire multipleplatformness goes down the toilet |
| 01:20.17 | javispedro | tries to go back in time to warn myself to never spend time on this and use dbus directly |
| 01:22.12 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: i *think* what they mean |
| 01:22.19 | itsnotabigtruck | is a typedef to an incomplete struct/class type |
| 01:22.26 | itsnotabigtruck | well, a pointer thereof |
| 01:22.44 | javispedro | who would want to pass a pointer, this is ipc |
| 01:23.03 | itsnotabigtruck | like typedef struct tag_cn_uber_object *cn_uber_object_t; |
| 01:23.11 | javispedro | but yeah, seems like it |
| 01:23.20 | itsnotabigtruck | they're saying you can't move the contents of the cn_uber_object_t through dbus |
| 01:23.28 | itsnotabigtruck | i think...whoever wrote that has no business writing documentation |
| 01:24.06 | javispedro | ponders sending a QVariantMap instead of string will be easier |
| 01:24.16 | javispedro | *of a struct |
| 01:24.19 | itsnotabigtruck | also virtuald: afm = apps for meego |
| 01:24.25 | virtuald | hmm i used to have a program named dip in debian that i used for serial consoles, now i can't find it |
| 01:24.42 | itsnotabigtruck | i wonder if it's a coincidence that both sites are down at once |
| 01:25.24 | javispedro | virtuald: if you want a quick test, just plug the n9, enter "connect & sync mode", and do something funny like "echo ATDT $yourlocalpolicestationnumber > /dev/ttyACM0" |
| 01:25.28 | itsnotabigtruck | eh, must be a coincidence |
| 01:25.34 | virtuald | :) |
| 01:25.39 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: both use akamai |
| 01:25.40 | itsnotabigtruck | apps for meego = CDN'd through akamai |
| 01:25.46 | virtuald | javispedro: you don't know the code for voice calls? |
| 01:25.50 | itsnotabigtruck | harmattan-dev = ip is for some datacenter in helsinki |
| 01:25.51 | virtuald | command* |
| 01:25.53 | itsnotabigtruck | (not akamai) |
| 01:25.58 | javispedro | virtuald: that's actually voice :) |
| 01:26.01 | itsnotabigtruck | er, wait |
| 01:26.07 | itsnotabigtruck | no, you're right, it is akamai |
| 01:26.09 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: they surely were a month ago |
| 01:26.09 | itsnotabigtruck | let me double check |
| 01:26.10 | javispedro | ah |
| 01:26.11 | virtuald | really? |
| 01:26.31 | javispedro | virtuald: yes, callui will show up in the phone if you do it |
| 01:26.38 | javispedro | virtuald: of course, don't dial the police station though :) |
| 01:26.39 | virtuald | heh |
| 01:26.39 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: i got them backward |
| 01:26.44 | itsnotabigtruck | appsformeego is in the helsinki datacenter |
| 01:26.49 | itsnotabigtruck | harmattan-dev is akamai |
| 01:27.31 | virtuald | javispedro: i think they have a menu |
| 01:27.38 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.robtex.com/ip/80.248.164.207.html#whois |
| 01:27.49 | itsnotabigtruck | ^ that's apps for meego |
| 01:33.52 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: even though that AT line requests a data connection? |
| 01:34.18 | itsnotabigtruck | i'd have expected it to fail since i don't think CSD (cellular services daemon) knows about CSD (circuit switched data) :p |
| 01:35.45 | javispedro | this is not actually a "modem" per se |
| 01:36.29 | virtuald | hmm nothing happens when i press keys in minicom |
| 01:36.43 | virtuald | no echo, no errors when i press enter |
| 01:37.56 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: well, it's still trying to emulate the modem command language |
| 01:38.10 | itsnotabigtruck | old cellular networks and old cell phones actually did support actual modem connections over gsm |
| 01:38.18 | itsnotabigtruck | it's just out of fashion these days |
| 01:41.56 | virtuald | moserial gtk app works |
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| 01:43.44 | virtuald | AT+CSIM commands don't |
| 01:44.40 | virtuald | i could read the imsi though :> |
| 01:45.08 | itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice to have dynamic range compression on my laptop |
| 01:45.10 | javispedro | minicom also works, but it is not minicom $PORT, rather minicom -D $PORT |
| 01:45.12 | itsnotabigtruck | not all the time, just when i need it |
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| 01:45.25 | itsnotabigtruck | i hate it when songs/vids/etc. have excessive headroom = too quiet on wimpy laptop speakers |
| 01:45.32 | virtuald | ok i don't like minicom anyway |
| 01:45.44 | virtuald | it's too user unfriendly |
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| 01:50.06 | virtuald | +++ATH0 |
| 01:54.51 | itsnotabigtruck | has anyone built tor for harmattan yet |
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| 01:54.59 | virtuald | :D |
| 01:55.23 | virtuald | been thinking about it but wouldn't that drain the battery really fast? |
| 01:57.07 | AndrewX192 | Anyone know how to gett the cellular tower ID via a basic shell script on the N9? |
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| 02:00.20 | itsnotabigtruck | ugh, damn harmattan and its non-standard package names |
| 02:00.38 | itsnotabigtruck | (and the sdk repo for including entirely broken packages) |
| 02:03.00 | itsnotabigtruck | er, never mind, it was actually a community repo package that was causing trouble, hrm |
| 02:03.19 | AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: my store is still broken too |
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| 02:03.41 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: this is unrelated...but that's no good |
| 02:04.15 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: i think i already pestered you about this before, but any chance you could register a QA approval for ad-hac on appsformeego? |
| 02:04.22 | itsnotabigtruck | it's at 2 out of 6 required |
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| 02:04.37 | AndrewX192 | I haven't had a chance to test it yet |
| 02:04.37 | itsnotabigtruck | as for the broken store thing, i'm low on ideas |
| 02:04.44 | AndrewX192 | I have installed though |
| 02:04.47 | AndrewX192 | The app starts |
| 02:04.52 | AndrewX192 | But I haven't created a AP |
| 02:05.05 | AndrewX192 | And apparently my meego account that I thought I had doesn't exist |
| 02:05.11 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: well, if the app starts, that proves it worked :p |
| 02:05.25 | AndrewX192 | As long as the application works after it starts :P |
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| 02:06.08 | AndrewX192 | USB tethering worked though (unrelated) |
| 02:06.31 | AndrewX192 | acceptable speeds http://www.speedtest.net/result/1829986370.png |
| 02:06.36 | AndrewX192 | Not as good as the N900 though |
| 02:07.08 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: nice |
| 02:07.17 | itsnotabigtruck | i never get that sort of speed on at&t |
| 02:07.22 | itsnotabigtruck | but that's because i'm not in an hspa+ zone |
| 02:07.38 | AndrewX192 | The N900 got almost 9Mb/s down |
| 02:07.48 | AndrewX192 | And a lower ping time |
| 02:07.51 | itsnotabigtruck | :O |
| 02:07.56 | itsnotabigtruck | you sure that was an accurate test? |
| 02:08.06 | AndrewX192 | I did it a few times |
| 02:08.08 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: it appears libevent in your repository has borked dependencies |
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| 02:08.26 | AndrewX192 | mid-day here |
| 02:08.27 | itsnotabigtruck | specifically libevent-openssl-2.0-5 depends on libssl1.0.0 |
| 02:08.33 | AndrewX192 | It's better at night |
| 02:08.36 | itsnotabigtruck | but harmattan calls it libssl1 |
| 02:09.19 | itsnotabigtruck | this makes libevent-openssl-2.0-5 and therefore libevent-dev impossible to install |
| 02:09.36 | AndrewX192 | As much as I like the N9, I'll be getting data back on my N900 soon |
| 02:10.11 | AndrewX192 | The terminal on the N9 is not good enough |
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| 02:11.13 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: what's the point to using the terminal on-device anyway |
| 02:11.20 | itsnotabigtruck | it's an exercise in frustration but it's also rarely necessary |
| 02:11.24 | itsnotabigtruck | now, over ssh it's very useful |
| 02:11.43 | AndrewX192 | Terminal was my #1 application on the N900 |
| 02:11.50 | AndrewX192 | Before the web browser even |
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| 02:33.38 | Enforcer | whats bad about n9 terminal? |
| 02:33.55 | SpeedEvil | osk is annoying |
| 02:34.29 | itsnotabigtruck | Enforcer: yeah, mostly just tricky to key things in |
| 02:34.55 | Enforcer | you do realise the osk is multitouch? |
| 02:35.03 | itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: if you're using ad-hac, any chance you could register a qa approval on appsformeego? |
| 02:35.22 | itsnotabigtruck | sorry for haranguing everybody, and also i'm not sure if you're using it, i don't quite remember where everyone is :p |
| 02:35.37 | SpeedEvil | itsnotabigtruck: UK here. |
| 02:35.44 | itsnotabigtruck | ah right, you told me that before |
| 02:35.44 | SpeedEvil | Also - does it even apply to n950? |
| 02:35.52 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm pretty sure it does, yeah |
| 02:36.09 | itsnotabigtruck | but it doesn't apply to brits, so never mind :p (go to sleep, yikes!) |
| 02:36.37 | SpeedEvil | I'm finalising my grocery shopping order. |
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| 02:37.09 | itsnotabigtruck | Enforcer: it's more punctuation and arrows that are a major pita |
| 02:37.15 | itsnotabigtruck | and multitouch doesn't really help with anything |
| 02:38.19 | itsnotabigtruck | also it looks like apps for meego is back up now |
| 02:38.28 | itsnotabigtruck | so is harmattan-dev |
| 02:52.26 | AndrewX192 | Enforcer: the keyboard is huge |
| 02:52.54 | AndrewX192 | I really don't understand why I can't copy things out out of N9 Mail |
| 02:53.02 | AndrewX192 | Someone should fix that |
| 02:53.03 | AndrewX192 | Big time |
| 02:55.11 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: you can temporarily dismiss the keyboard, if that helps |
| 02:59.59 | AndrewX192 | Yeah, I know |
| 03:00.05 | AndrewX192 | But the gesture isnt's great |
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| 03:44.37 | itsnotabigtruck | we need a proper working wifi scanner |
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| 04:22.42 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like nokia published an update to the SDK at some point |
| 04:22.48 | itsnotabigtruck | changes: |
| 04:23.00 | itsnotabigtruck | energy-profiler from 1.2.0+0m6 to 1.4.4+0m6 |
| 04:23.08 | itsnotabigtruck | libfcam, libfcam-dev added |
| 04:23.36 | itsnotabigtruck | libndefpush, libndefpush-dev added |
| 04:23.45 | itsnotabigtruck | libnep0 from 1.2.0+0m6 to 1.4.1+0m6 |
| 04:24.30 | itsnotabigtruck | libnfcctl, libnfcdal, libnfcflib, libnfcchal, libnfcosal, libnfcstack added |
| 04:26.13 | itsnotabigtruck | and some other little changes |
| 04:26.42 | itsnotabigtruck | so net effect: FCam and quite a few NFC libs added, plus some minor package updates |
| 04:26.56 | itsnotabigtruck | also it appears they renamed the repo from harmattan-beta3 to harmattan |
| 04:27.13 | itsnotabigtruck | however, this still isn't a real pr1.2 sdk :/ |
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| 04:33.43 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1179181#post1179181 |
| 04:50.21 | AndrewX192 | Trying to get USB tethering on the N9 <-> N900 |
| 04:50.33 | AndrewX192 | Ended up with a N9 charging from the N900 |
| 04:51.22 | beford | not bad |
| 04:52.06 | AndrewX192 | The N9 won't last long that way |
| 04:52.18 | AndrewX192 | Er |
| 04:52.19 | AndrewX192 | N900 |
| 04:55.39 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: might you be able to tether via bluetooth? |
| 04:55.48 | AndrewX192 | I don't know |
| 04:55.54 | AndrewX192 | WEP isn't acceptable |
| 04:56.00 | AndrewX192 | So I'd rather do USB or something |
| 04:56.52 | AndrewX192 | I have AES256 + instant lock + remote whipe on the N900 |
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| 05:00.34 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 05:00.41 | itsnotabigtruck | that's one thing i want to eventually do with inception |
| 05:01.23 | itsnotabigtruck | ffe (full flash encryption) |
| 05:01.42 | itsnotabigtruck | boot to a minimal system, authenticate to ffe, unlock and reinit system |
| 05:09.21 | AndrewX192 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrewx192/6981217509/in/photostream |
| 05:15.22 | itsnotabigtruck | nice |
| 05:16.48 | beford | talking about that, does the n9 has some lock code that I have not seen? |
| 05:17.11 | AndrewX192 | Yeah, the N9 has a lock code |
| 05:17.50 | AndrewX192 | http://grabup.andrewx192.com/1331694095 <- lol @ Dave999 on TMO |
| 05:18.50 | beford | oh yea there is. now I remember some people complained about it autoactivating when using MfE and being unable to unlock |
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| 05:26.48 | jonni | by default lock code is empty |
| 05:29.33 | jonni | older protoes had a non-empty default lock code, but end users should not have gotten those devices. |
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| 06:18.43 | djszapi | any native English speaker online ? |
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| 07:10.47 | Sazpaimon | djszapi, still need help? |
| 07:11.31 | djszapi | Sazpaimon: yeah, pm ? |
| 07:11.49 | djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/439508/ -> well, it is also good here. I need a sanity review :) |
| 07:13.25 | Sazpaimon | oh boy |
| 07:13.30 | Sazpaimon | give me a few minutes to read this over |
| 07:13.58 | Sazpaimon | okay |
| 07:14.00 | Sazpaimon | right away |
| 07:14.02 | Sazpaimon | There is a paradigm shift nowadays ongoing how we use computers and devices. |
| 07:14.06 | djszapi | please not here... |
| 07:14.12 | Sazpaimon | okay okay |
| 07:14.13 | djszapi | either edit or, discuss the details in private. |
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| 07:36.57 | djszapi | mmh, I need to request the availability for showing up an application during the presentation to the audience... Does somebody know how it works ? |
| 07:37.19 | djszapi | Is it just a simple cable between the beamer and the potential phone, or is it some extra gadget ? |
| 07:41.35 | diorahman | wow djszapi paradigm shift! |
| 07:44.09 | psycho_oreos | itsnotabigtruck, ping |
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| 07:48.35 | diorahman | djszapi: is that for a KDE conf? |
| 07:48.45 | djszapi | diorahman: yep, akamdemy. |
| 07:48.51 | diorahman | ah cool |
| 07:49.20 | djszapi | psycho_oreos: he is sleeping. |
| 07:49.28 | psycho_oreos | djszapi, bah, thanks |
| 07:53.49 | djszapi | so what is the name of the cable ? |
| 07:53.57 | djszapi | how to ask for that from the organizers ? |
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| 07:59.28 | jonni | if you mean N9, then dataprojector just needs to have composite inputs, you can use same composite output cable on n9 that you use on n900, and if I remember right even N9 box came with the cable. |
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| 08:00.17 | djszapi | jonni: I do not have it by hand, and I would not like to look for it either |
| 08:00.29 | djszapi | moreover, the hosting place should provide one any way |
| 08:00.40 | djszapi | so I am still looking for the exact name I can write to the organizers. |
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| 08:01.37 | jonni | djszapi: just tell them to buy this one: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/New-Genuine-Nokia-CA-75U-TV-Video-Out-Cable-N9-/350525260458?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccesories_MobilePhoneDataCables_JN&hash=item519cef02aa |
| 08:02.11 | jonni | CA-75U cable |
| 08:03.03 | djszapi | jonni: thanks. |
| 08:05.10 | jonni | if I remember right tvout is locked in either portrait or landscape mode, so you might want to check it beforehand so there wont be suprices in the presentation :) |
| 08:05.11 | ghjgfjghjbn2 | does the N900 video cable work for N9? |
| 08:05.20 | jonni | ghjgfjghjbn2: yes it does |
| 08:05.23 | ghjgfjghjbn2 | yes! |
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| 08:08.24 | gabriel9|work | morning |
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| 09:10.41 | djszapi | jonni: ok :) |
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| 09:13.57 | petteri | n9 tv-out is nice. Sadly the cable which came with N900 is quite short |
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| 09:16.09 | flux | it's funny how n9 line-out doesn't connect to my car AUX port. it doesn't understand there's anything connected. n900 works fine.. |
| 09:16.22 | flux | I guess I need to solder some resistor there to encourage it a bit |
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| 09:22.26 | ajalkane | Weird, I'm sure RzR's repo used to have screen. But now I couldn't find it. |
| 09:22.49 | djszapi | ajalkane: I pushed it to the applications. |
| 09:25.02 | ajalkane | djszapi: what does that mean and what can I do the get it now? |
| 09:26.31 | djszapi | ajalkane: I am busy at work, but I can describe it this evening |
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| 09:27.09 | ajalkane | Ok |
| 09:27.25 | ajalkane | (I should be busy at work also actually :) |
| 09:27.44 | djszapi | ajalkane: but the idea is that we made a mess |
| 09:27.51 | djszapi | 500 packages in one repo -> nightmare. |
| 09:28.11 | djszapi | we need to split them up into several dedicated repositories, like middleware, applications, etc |
| 09:28.29 | djszapi | so what you can do is adding the appliations repository in a nutshell (might be broken, no warranty at this stage) |
| 09:29.03 | ajalkane | ok |
| 09:29.11 | djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan%3Aapplications |
| 09:29.28 | djszapi | but both repositories will hopefully be gone, so do not rely too much on them in the long future. |
| 09:31.33 | ajalkane | Thanks... I only need a couple tools, for own use |
| 09:32.43 | djszapi | you better push them into ovi or apps4meego |
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| 09:35.24 | tjaalton | anyone using qtsdk on ubuntu 12.04beta? the Design window seems to misbehave, it doesn't draw any widgets on the preview window |
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| 09:36.50 | ajalkane | Isn't the design view pretty useless with harmattan components? At least it was in the summer. I've never used it with any Ubuntu version. |
| 09:38.08 | tjaalton | could well be, sounds strange though |
| 09:38.54 | petteri | it does not work |
| 09:39.06 | MohammadAG | No designer on harmattan |
| 09:39.27 | MohammadAG | Another reason I went with mtf |
| 09:39.35 | tjaalton | meh |
| 09:40.09 | petteri | it is really easy just write down qml stuff by hand |
| 09:41.16 | deram | good thing they did not base qml on xml |
| 09:41.23 | djszapi | petteri: +1 |
| 09:41.49 | MohammadAG | djszapi: MTF traitor |
| 09:42.47 | tjaalton | what's mtf? |
| 09:43.08 | MohammadAG | MeeGoTouchFramework |
| 09:45.31 | MohammadAG | The framework all core apps are written in |
| 09:46.04 | MohammadAG | Facebook and Twitter don't count |
| 09:49.17 | tjaalton | ok |
| 09:57.38 | djszapi | similar to wtf |
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| 10:03.51 | jreznik | writes qml by hand, even I did the same for qwidgets based apps |
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| 10:12.33 | gabriel9|work | this is nice from NOKIA: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/03/14/developer-library-latest-update?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed |
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| 10:23.03 | jreznik | gabriel9|work: +1 |
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| 10:26.47 | jonni | flux: you mean 2xrca, or what kind of aux port? |
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| 10:29.11 | jonni | flux: or you mean 3.5mm headphone connection, in which case you need to get that 4pin to normal 3pin adapter inbetween. |
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| 10:55.03 | flux | jonni, 2xrca in stereo, miniplug-rca-adapter |
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| 10:59.06 | jonni | flux: and your minuplug side has 3 connection points (and not the 4 like N9 requires)? in which case you still need that 4pin to 3pin adapter. Or you N9/N900 tvout cable, since that has 4-pin miniplug and those 2 rca audios |
| 10:59.24 | jonni | or you should use... |
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| 11:00.01 | jonni | == N9 minuplug is not standard, even if standard headphones would fit into it ;) |
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| 11:03.06 | MohammadAG | Standard headphones work in it |
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| 11:05.30 | jonni | MohammadAG: not all work without adapter |
| 11:06.40 | jonni | I've had to get few adapters for some models |
| 11:09.39 | MohammadAG | jonni: Then they're not standard |
| 11:09.59 | MohammadAG | All made for iPhone ones are non standard |
| 11:10.01 | jonni | MohammadAG: I know, nokia uses 4-pole plug, and normal headphones uses 3-pole plugs |
| 11:10.05 | MohammadAG | And those with |
| 11:10.17 | MohammadAG | A mic also don't work |
| 11:10.40 | jonni | iphone uses 4-pole plugs also, but they are in different order than nokias 4-pole plugs :) |
| 11:10.53 | jonni | just to make them imcompatiple |
| 11:11.02 | jonni | :) |
| 11:17.02 | jonni | http://pinoutsguide.com/HeadsetsHeadphones/nokia_wh-701_pinout.shtml vs http://pinouts.ru/HeadsetsHeadphones/iphone_headphone_pinout.shtml |
| 11:18.23 | kimju | I've heard that some Nokia headsets in USA and rest of the world have different pinouts. any idea if that is true? |
| 11:18.32 | jonni | so there are adapters to cross 3-4 connection, and to make 4-pole connecio to tandar 3-pole connectio |
| 11:19.49 | deram | iPhone headsets use different headsets than rest of the phones on 3.5mm plug. |
| 11:19.52 | jonni | kimju: it depens, like e71 http://pinoutsguide.com/HeadsetsHeadphones/nokia_e71_pinout.shtml has yet another pin order for 4 pins |
| 11:20.30 | deram | there may be cases where other manufacturers have used the iPhone pin order for model marketed in US |
| 11:20.33 | jonni | so you need to know your phone model and get matching adapter to get 3-pole standard headset to work in n9 or iphone |
| 11:21.27 | jonni | my akg headphones came in a box which had seperate adapters for iphone and nokia phones |
| 11:22.09 | deram | headphones work on both just fine, the mic is the difference |
| 11:23.13 | jonni | deram: that depends on luck, some 3-pole adapter shortcircuit to 4th pole and there is no audio coming out in that case |
| 11:24.04 | jonni | just depends on the length of those 3 poles |
| 11:24.26 | deram | the TRRS vs TRS plugs are specified so, that the second ring may be shorted to the sleeve, which is the ground in the standard case |
| 11:25.16 | deram | in iPhone pinout the second ring is the ground, and sleeve is the microphone.. |
| 11:25.47 | deram | so in some cases the audio is actually going through the microphone to reach the common ground |
| 11:25.55 | jonni | but in nokia phones its usually pin4 which is the ground |
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| 11:26.34 | deram | nokia and most of the android manufacturers mostly obey the original TRS-plug comatibility standards |
| 11:26.40 | jonni | which causes problems on quite many headphones |
| 11:27.44 | deram | it should not cause, since the second ring in that plug is taken from the length of the sleeve used for grounding |
| 11:28.16 | deram | but it causes, if the headset has the TRRS-type plug.. |
| 11:30.13 | jonni | deram: so you are saying that normal 3-pin headphones should work, even when N9 connector has pin1 left, pin2 right, pin3 mic and pin4 ground? |
| 11:30.25 | deram | jonni: yes |
| 11:30.51 | jonni | deram: so why doesnt fluxes 3-pin to 2-rca cable work then? |
| 11:30.59 | deram | it will short the mic to ground, thus saying to the phone that this is just headphones without microphone |
| 11:32.48 | deram | I just connected my N9 to my Audiopro Addon One active speakers using 3pin/TRS-plug cable |
| 11:32.54 | deram | and the sound just works |
| 11:33.46 | deram | this setup should be exactly the same as the fluxes setup, to what the phone understands about it |
| 11:33.47 | flux | I guess I will need to get my n900 video cable then |
| 11:34.14 | flux | it won't think I have an external tv then? |
| 11:34.37 | flux | I think I would prefer a miniplug-nokia-miniplugi-adapter, so I wouldn't need to fish the existing cable out :) |
| 11:35.08 | jonni | or it might be that automatic detection doesnt work without some resistor on the other end. or try with adapter |
| 11:36.12 | deram | yes.. if the car amplifier has high impedance inputs (as it probably does) the phone might think there is no device connected or even that the other end is TV |
| 11:37.30 | MohammadAG | My AKG phones dont work on the N950 or N900 but work fine on my laptop |
| 11:38.54 | deram | just to be sure, Iused also the standard miniplug to 2x RCA cable to connect my phobne to Denon AV receiver amplifier, and it just works just as it should |
| 11:39.01 | flux | I think I would be happy if I just were able to tell n9 that please, push some audio through that port |
| 11:39.06 | flux | I think it's still electrically connected |
| 11:41.52 | deram | flux: have you tried that the port works with normal haedphones? |
| 11:41.59 | flux | deram, yes. works. |
| 11:42.11 | deram | that is strange then. |
| 11:46.20 | jonni | forum does have few threads about headset detection problems, so it might vary depending what you connect to it |
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| 11:55.05 | jonni | flux: ofcourse its just sw so you can in thery just hack twl5031_aci kernel module :) |
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| 11:58.33 | jonni | flux: heh actually you can just echo to sys kernel to force detection and audio out. let me pm you the details |
| 11:58.39 | flux | jonni, thanks ;) |
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| 12:19.27 | djszapi | jonni: p |
| 12:19.39 | djszapi | does the CA-75U cable work with the N950 devices ? |
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| 12:29.58 | aquarius | win |
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| 13:07.50 | itsnotabigtruck | psycho_oreos: what's up |
| 13:12.50 | MohammadAG | jonni: PM them to me too if you don't mind :p |
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| 13:36.16 | divan0 | my N950 has stopped showing battery status. Battery shows 0% and charging doesn't work when plugged into USB (but USB is connected well) Is it me or it's known issue? |
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| 13:43.30 | divan0 | Is it normal? dmesg | grep bme - "init: bme main process (369) terminated with status 1; init: bme main process ended, respawning" |
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| 13:57.24 | djszapi | http://dot.kde.org/2012/03/13/plasma-active-three-sprint :) |
| 14:00.37 | itsnotabigtruck | divan0: hrm, that's not good |
| 14:01.06 | itsnotabigtruck | is the bme running? |
| 14:01.09 | itsnotabigtruck | ps aux | grep bme |
| 14:01.23 | divan0 | itsnotabigtruck: only hal helper |
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| 14:01.46 | divan0 | hald-addon-bme |
| 14:02.09 | divan0 | I rebooted device twice, seems bme dies on start. |
| 14:03.11 | itsnotabigtruck | divan0: what if you run bme from devel-su |
| 14:03.17 | itsnotabigtruck | do you get any interesting errors |
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| 14:07.00 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/qvz0b/found_this_today_at_work/c40wuco?context=1 |
| 14:10.37 | Iktwo | itsnotabigtruck: hahahaha |
| 14:17.46 | itsnotabigtruck | Iktwo: any progress on your wifi scanner? |
| 14:18.19 | Iktwo | No :( a russian guy released one that does what I wanted without wireless-tools |
| 14:18.31 | Iktwo | I checked credentials of his app |
| 14:18.36 | Iktwo | an found weird things |
| 14:18.45 | Iktwo | like CAP::sys_chroot |
| 14:18.51 | Iktwo | or FacebookSocial |
| 14:19.50 | Iktwo | also icd2:icd2-plugin so I'm sure it has to be something related to icd2, I emailed him asking if he is releasing the source code or if he could help pointing me in the right direction |
| 14:20.18 | itsnotabigtruck | Iktwo: is it published yet |
| 14:20.35 | itsnotabigtruck | that sounds peculiar |
| 14:20.40 | Iktwo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83032 |
| 14:20.57 | itsnotabigtruck | i still don't understand why you haven't gone and fixed the credentials of your app yet |
| 14:20.59 | Iktwo | why would he need FacebookSocial credential? |
| 14:21.17 | Iktwo | because I don't want to use wireless-tools it's not the right way |
| 14:21.20 | itsnotabigtruck | it's quite simple a) take out the aegis manifest, b) reinstall, c) keep running it using aegis-exec and narrow down the credentials |
| 14:21.44 | Iktwo | I need to get it working usin icd2 |
| 14:22.10 | itsnotabigtruck | Iktwo: it looks like meewiman doesn't actually have an aegis manfiest |
| 14:22.47 | Iktwo | no? I ran accli -p PID -I |
| 14:22.53 | Iktwo | and saw that facebook thing.. |
| 14:23.20 | itsnotabigtruck | are you sure you didn't just see all the developer credentials |
| 14:23.32 | itsnotabigtruck | or something like that |
| 14:24.30 | Iktwo | maybe, I just ran that command, but maybe I did saw wrong output |
| 14:25.08 | itsnotabigtruck | compare it to accli -I from develsh |
| 14:25.43 | Iktwo | it's the same |
| 14:25.48 | Iktwo | so I saw wrong output |
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| 14:27.30 | Iktwo | the real output it's just UID:user GRP:users |
| 14:28.10 | Diagar | any girl |
| 14:28.19 | Diagar | any girl |
| 14:28.33 | MohammadAG | yay Harmattan sysroot update |
| 14:29.27 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: sysroot update? |
| 14:29.40 | itsnotabigtruck | Diagar: you sure you're in the right channel... :p |
| 14:30.41 | MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, from 1.1 to 1.2 I think |
| 14:30.46 | Diagar | hhh ys |
| 14:30.54 | Diagar | i like ukranian girlz |
| 14:31.42 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: oh, this: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/QtSDK/QtSDK-1.2-Harmattan-target_2012-03-13.html |
| 14:31.59 | itsnotabigtruck | except it's not the real pr1.2 sdk |
| 14:32.06 | Iktwo | Diagar I like unkarnian girlz too, but I ain't asking here.. |
| 14:32.09 | itsnotabigtruck | they're still crippling things to pr1.0 level |
| 14:32.14 | itsnotabigtruck | (wtf ^^) |
| 14:34.01 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG Iktwo: know of any interesting fcam-based apps |
| 14:34.04 | itsnotabigtruck | now that the headers are out |
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| 14:34.34 | MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, no, but making one should be easy |
| 14:34.39 | MohammadAG | in MTF of course |
| 14:34.50 | Iktwo | I saw you asked on TMO I've used FCam on N900, but I don't know something special |
| 14:34.54 | MohammadAG | the C++ backends would be from fcamera on the N900 |
| 14:35.08 | danielcbit | Hi Everybody. |
| 14:35.27 | divan0 | itsnotabigtruck: strace -e trace=open bme_RX-71 -> "open("/tmp/.bmeevt", O_RDWR|O_CREAT, 0644) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)" |
| 14:35.45 | divan0 | after deleting .bmeevt it traps on "open("/var/run/bme.pid", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)" |
| 14:36.14 | danielcbit | For some days I've been having some problems regarding UI being launched by a daemon and the vkb not showing up. |
| 14:36.59 | itsnotabigtruck | divan0: hrm...better check the perms on those then |
| 14:37.14 | danielcbit | Today I found the source of my problems. And I'd like to share with you. |
| 14:38.01 | danielcbit | For vkb to show in Qt Apps in Harmattan, an env variable has to be set. it is QT_IM_MODULE=MInputContext |
| 14:38.12 | divan0 | itsnotabigtruck: does bme_RX-71 stands for bme server? |
| 14:38.29 | Iktwo | danielcbit: thanks |
| 14:38.35 | divan0 | http://pastebin.com/gdFqCRTQ |
| 14:38.37 | itsnotabigtruck | it stands for battery management entity - rx-71 |
| 14:38.42 | danielcbit | Without this variable being set in the env. The virtual keyboard doesn't show. |
| 14:38.58 | itsnotabigtruck | and rx-71 is a model code that got scrapped |
| 14:39.03 | itsnotabigtruck | probably turned into rm-696 or rm-680 |
| 14:39.35 | danielcbit | So, if some UI app is runned from a daemon toy have to set DISPLAY=:0 and QT_IM_MODULE=MInputContext for it to work correctly. |
| 14:41.22 | Jare | has anyone experienced choppy audio with sip calls over wifi? I'm getting around 30 rtp packets per minute with a wrong timestamp in the other end |
| 14:41.37 | Jare | the same count over 3G is 0 |
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| 14:45.14 | danielcbit | Jare: Couldn't this be related to slow network or some sort of port blocking? |
| 14:45.23 | Khertan | Hello ! |
| 14:46.07 | danielcbit | Jare: Some telcos don't allow voip traffic in their networks. Or do some traffic shaping on it. |
| 14:46.21 | Khertan | I facing some strange problem launching python apps via /usr/bin/invoker ... it s use 70% of cpu ... is there any know issue using it with python ? |
| 14:46.45 | divan0 | itsnotabigtruck: can you show your output for 'ps ax | grep bme'? :) |
| 14:48.45 | ajalkane | danielcbit: interesting, thanks |
| 14:48.54 | Khertan | any idea ? |
| 14:48.57 | Jare | danielcbit: it's my own network. 54Mbps (g standard) wifi and 1Gbps ethernet to the server. I have no problems using a softphone in the same wifi |
| 14:50.01 | Jare | and it shouldn't be a server problem since I'm capturing the packets before they reach the sip server |
| 14:50.55 | ajalkane | danielcbit: have you tried if just running the daemon using "aegis-exec -l" sets the correct variables? |
| 14:52.32 | danielcbit | ajalkane: As it runs as daemon. A login shell would not work. |
| 14:54.06 | merlin1991 | oh shit I just realized I have to upgrade my harmattan scratchbox |
| 14:54.12 | merlin1991 | is expecting breaks |
| 14:54.31 | ajalkane | danielcbit: it only simulates login shell. I seem to remember using that switch sets the DISPLAY variable so was wondering if that other is set too |
| 14:55.37 | ajalkane | Those environment variables are set in /etc/profile so perhaps that "simulate login shell" also runs it |
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| 14:57.27 | ZogG_laptop | Khertan: ping |
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| 14:59.15 | Khertan | ZogG_laptop: pong |
| 15:00.14 | Khertan | ZogG_laptop: 50% packet loss ? |
| 15:01.51 | divan0 | Guys, if bme is stopped, does battery actually charges or not, when plugged into USB or wall-charger? |
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| 15:02.32 | MohammadAG | probably, but very slowly |
| 15:02.47 | MohammadAG | so you'd probably be losing more battery power than gaining |
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| 15:03.37 | divan0 | so I need to figure out how to fix bme before battery will be empty |
| 15:04.09 | MohammadAG | or ask DocScrutinizer how to kick in proper charging |
| 15:04.21 | ajalkane | Quite an exciting race against time |
| 15:08.01 | divan0 | DocScrutinizer: ping |
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| 15:11.04 | beford | how did you break it |
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| 15:13.26 | divan0 | beford: dunno. I got lockscreen freeze and rebooted device, then noticed that batterly level is 0% but device working. |
| 15:13.57 | divan0 | oh. seems I've fixed. removed /tmp/.bme* files and rebooted. |
| 15:14.18 | MohammadAG | what is shortening the shown text and ... to the end called? |
| 15:14.24 | MohammadAG | and adding...* |
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| 15:15.05 | ajalkane | time to go |
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| 15:22.44 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: sup |
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| 15:32.46 | MohammadAG | ZogG_laptop, nm |
| 15:33.20 | MohammadAG | I need a QRegExp for a URL |
| 15:37.39 | itsnotabigtruck | what's up |
| 15:39.01 | beford | hi |
| 15:39.54 | itsnotabigtruck | is it just me or is the pace of things on tmo etc. kinda slowing down |
| 15:40.50 | Khertan | ZogG_laptop: ping ? |
| 15:41.03 | itsnotabigtruck | btw MohammadAG: consider maybe making a duicontrolpanel applet for your led event notifier? it would be cool to turn it on or off from settings |
| 15:41.58 | Khertan | launch a ballistic nuclear missile targetting the guy which create /usr/bin/invoker |
| 15:42.04 | Khertan | !::::::::::::::!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:42.09 | itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: what problem are you having |
| 15:42.26 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: average cpu use of 90% |
| 15:42.36 | Khertan | when i launch my python program |
| 15:42.44 | beford | blame python |
| 15:43.01 | Khertan | works like a charm without that piece of shit |
| 15:43.22 | itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: is the cpu usage coming from invoker or your program |
| 15:43.31 | itsnotabigtruck | invoker is open source, read through it and see if you can figure out where it's going wrong |
| 15:43.38 | ZogG_laptop | Khertan: istalled manually python-pyside and got apps4meego client update, the editor installed fine, the question which one was the solution? |
| 15:43.41 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: ? |
| 15:43.55 | itsnotabigtruck | https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-applauncherd |
| 15:44.13 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: invoker is the source of the problem |
| 15:44.31 | Khertan | launching normally cpu usage is under 2% |
| 15:44.37 | MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, Harmattan development is proving a bit hard |
| 15:45.02 | Khertan | ZogG_laptop: don't know ... apps4meego have strange problem too on my device |
| 15:45.10 | MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1179354&postcount=54 |
| 15:45.15 | itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: i didn't say "source of the problem", i said, is invoker actually consuming the cpu |
| 15:45.23 | itsnotabigtruck | or is using invoker causing behavior in your app |
| 15:45.24 | MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, but Im willing to be there are no example of a duicontrolpanel applet |
| 15:45.38 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: most of the stock duicontrolpanel applets are open source actually |
| 15:45.48 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: no behavior ... just probably source of eating cpu |
| 15:46.01 | itsnotabigtruck | https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/meegotouch-controlpanelapplets |
| 15:46.10 | itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: use htop to watch the cpu usage |
| 15:46.11 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: duicontrol applet is the popup in the top? |
| 15:46.15 | MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, oh really? cool |
| 15:46.23 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: it's the settings program |
| 15:46.27 | MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, umm, afaik those were dropped in harmattan |
| 15:46.30 | ZogG_laptop | oh |
| 15:46.31 | MohammadAG | could be wrong though |
| 15:46.32 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: this is what i use to see it :) |
| 15:46.33 | itsnotabigtruck | it's called "duicontrolpanel" (DirectUI Control Panel) under the hood |
| 15:46.51 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: nah, i'm fairly certain those are it |
| 15:47.08 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: than there is source for app that is acctually only setting and daemon - the feed-calendar one |
| 15:47.25 | itsnotabigtruck | MohammadAG: in fact you can tell because that repo i linked, it has pr10/11/12/13 forks |
| 15:47.31 | MohammadAG | itsnotabigtruck, cool, thanks |
| 15:47.48 | itsnotabigtruck | well, branches, not forks |
| 15:48.00 | ZogG_laptop | MohammadAG: calendar feed* it's on gitoriuos |
| 15:48.05 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: did you see any error in such line : /usr/bin/invoker --type=e /usr/local/bin/greatestapps.py --single-instance |
| 15:48.07 | Khertan | ? |
| 15:48.56 | itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: no...but what i'm thinking is either |
| 15:49.07 | itsnotabigtruck | a) invoker is aegis-aware - it might be causing weird behavior in your app by dropping caps |
| 15:49.32 | itsnotabigtruck | b) invoker's single instance code might break with python guis, or the specific way you spawn your python gui |
| 15:49.42 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. maybe it's spinning forever waiting for your gui to appear or something |
| 15:49.56 | itsnotabigtruck | oh, also |
| 15:50.05 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: my apps is just a simple text editor creating a QApplication in a qdeclarative view |
| 15:50.07 | itsnotabigtruck | the --single-instance part can be shortened to -s and it should come before the path |
| 15:50.17 | Khertan | ah ... will try :) |
| 15:51.12 | itsnotabigtruck | also it looks like invoker has a -c flag that prints out the credentials assigned to your program |
| 15:51.14 | itsnotabigtruck | so play with that too |
| 15:51.40 | MohammadAG | message.replace(QRegExp("((?:https?|ftp)://\\S+)"), "<a href=\"\\1\">\\1</a>") muhahahaha found it |
| 15:51.44 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: hum ... playing with flag ... i discover that using -w is resolving high cpu usage |
| 15:52.27 | itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: that's weird...it says -w is the default |
| 15:52.44 | Khertan | lol |
| 15:55.17 | itsnotabigtruck | btw Khertan MohammadAG: any chance you guys could enter qa approvals for ad-hac on appsformeego? i know you have no real use for it, but... |
| 15:55.42 | itsnotabigtruck | install it and verify that it doesn't cause your n9 to erupt in a nuclear firestorm or something first though :p |
| 15:56.24 | itsnotabigtruck | the problem is that hardly anyone has meego.com accounts and out of those that do, few care to enter qa approvals, meaning everything is stuck in testing forever |
| 15:56.48 | itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: also let me know when you put the new version into afm so i can test/approve |
| 15:57.16 | ZogG_laptop | hmm |
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| 16:02.26 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: ok |
| 16:04.07 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: what the process to validate that an in testing is ok ? |
| 16:04.17 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: just leaving a comment ? |
| 16:05.05 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: there is QA questions on site itself |
| 16:05.13 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: ok ... -w wasn't enough |
| 16:05.23 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: it s eating cpu again |
| 16:05.44 | itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: you click the button saying Community QA |
| 16:05.50 | itsnotabigtruck | log into your meego.com account |
| 16:05.58 | itsnotabigtruck | tick the checkbox at the top |
| 16:06.04 | itsnotabigtruck | make sure everything listed works correctly |
| 16:06.06 | itsnotabigtruck | submit the form |
| 16:06.12 | itsnotabigtruck | comments don't do anything - that's the problem |
| 16:06.23 | itsnotabigtruck | there's a lot of apps with e.g. 5 comments and 0 qa approvals |
| 16:06.36 | itsnotabigtruck | because people are commenting but they aren't approving |
| 16:07.49 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: maybe are they just using the n9 client :) |
| 16:09.19 | itsnotabigtruck | gp :p |
| 16:10.02 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: jabber? |
| 16:10.08 | ZogG_laptop | ~ping |
| 16:10.08 | infobot | ~pong |
| 16:10.21 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: sure |
| 16:11.42 | Khertan | Rahahahah that fucking invoker is required for OVI |
| 16:11.44 | Khertan | ... |
| 16:12.16 | ZogG_laptop | ha i think i deleted it from desktop file as it wouldn't start my app |
| 16:12.58 | Khertan | me start it ... but then eat cpu |
| 16:15.00 | ZogG_laptop | Khertan: rm -rf / |
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| 16:15.26 | Khertan | yeah ! |
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| 16:22.34 | twoboxen | so who has flashed the open kernel on PR1.2? :) |
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| 16:31.41 | itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: haven't over here, though supposedly it works |
| 16:32.01 | itsnotabigtruck | you could just get incepted instead :) |
| 16:32.12 | twoboxen | inception doesn't allow chroot |
| 16:32.18 | twoboxen | that's my main reason :) |
| 16:33.09 | itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: actually, it does |
| 16:33.21 | itsnotabigtruck | install inception, opensh, and aegisctl |
| 16:33.46 | itsnotabigtruck | you don't need aegisctl at all actually to run something in a chroot as non-root |
| 16:33.56 | itsnotabigtruck | but if you want to run things as root in the chroot you need to do aegisctl -s |
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| 16:37.21 | twoboxen | i installed the first two |
| 16:37.26 | twoboxen | didn't use aegisctl |
| 16:37.46 | itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: it's new, so that's probably why :p |
| 16:37.59 | twoboxen | eh, I have a backup... time to play around. I want to activate god mode on the device |
| 16:38.23 | itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: well, inception + opensh + aegisctl is just that |
| 16:38.42 | itsnotabigtruck | installing the custom kernel just makes aegis broken |
| 16:40.12 | itsnotabigtruck | openmode will be useful for things like enhanced kernels and replacement operating systems |
| 16:40.23 | twoboxen | yeah, nitdroid |
| 16:40.36 | twoboxen | ok, i'll first see if my needs are met by aegisctl |
| 16:40.39 | itsnotabigtruck | but if you just want to control aegis it's way overkill and just causes a bunch of problems |
| 16:40.54 | merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping |
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| 17:35.08 | itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: any luck with aegisctl? |
| 17:36.42 | twoboxen | itsnotabigtruck: I have it installed, and I'm trying to understand usage |
| 17:36.43 | danielcbit | Does somebody experience slow data transfers while updating app in PR1.2? Despite my 10 Mbps connection. All updates are very slow. |
| 17:37.44 | twoboxen | itsnotabigtruck: I modified my script with aegisctl -s chroot /home/user/debian /bin/zsh |
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| 17:38.07 | itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: just fyi aegisctl doesn't run things |
| 17:38.09 | itsnotabigtruck | it's two different steps |
| 17:38.15 | itsnotabigtruck | also aegisctl is global for the entire system |
| 17:38.19 | twoboxen | ah, ok |
| 17:38.22 | twoboxen | that explains it |
| 17:38.29 | twoboxen | so what would the steps be |
| 17:38.39 | twoboxen | opensh, devel-su, aegisctl, chroot? |
| 17:39.05 | itsnotabigtruck | do devel-su before opensh |
| 17:39.26 | itsnotabigtruck | also consider dropping capabilities inside the chroot, if you don't want it to be run as god mode |
| 17:39.41 | twoboxen | how do you mean? |
| 17:39.57 | itsnotabigtruck | well, for running chroot as a normal user, you would do something like |
| 17:40.04 | twoboxen | so you also said that open mode just breaks aegis... how does this work differently |
| 17:40.37 | itsnotabigtruck | /usr/bin/aegis-exec -c -a CAP::sys_chroot chroot /home/user/debian /usr/bin/aegis-exec -c /bin/zsh |
| 17:40.51 | itsnotabigtruck | (this assumes you installed the aegis utilities into the chroot) |
| 17:41.03 | itsnotabigtruck | you could also install libcap2-bin into the chroot and use that to drop the caps |
| 17:41.21 | itsnotabigtruck | for running the chroot as root |
| 17:41.29 | itsnotabigtruck | then you'd instead want to do aegisctl -s |
| 17:41.34 | twoboxen | muahaha |
| 17:41.36 | twoboxen | i'm in. |
| 17:41.37 | twoboxen | thanks :) |
| 17:41.42 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 17:41.56 | twoboxen | as root right now |
| 17:41.59 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, just be mindful of what capabilities things inside the chroot run with |
| 17:42.00 | twoboxen | but i can fix that later |
| 17:42.03 | itsnotabigtruck | don't run everything as root all the time |
| 17:42.04 | twoboxen | yeah |
| 17:42.23 | twoboxen | so when i'm done do i need to do aegisctl +s? |
| 17:43.00 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 17:43.00 | itsnotabigtruck | for script usage, you should do |
| 17:43.02 | itsnotabigtruck | PREVFLAGS=`aegisctl` |
| 17:43.06 | itsnotabigtruck | aegisctl -s |
| 17:43.08 | itsnotabigtruck | # do something |
| 17:43.13 | itsnotabigtruck | aegisctl --really "$PREVFLAGS" |
| 17:43.57 | twoboxen | excellent |
| 17:44.06 | twoboxen | that way if i had -s set before i'd still ahve it when done |
| 17:44.40 | itsnotabigtruck | it still affects the system globally and could have races or other interference if multiple programs are fooling with the flags |
| 17:44.51 | twoboxen | yeah, that would be my own fault |
| 17:45.58 | itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: did i already pester you about ad-hac? |
| 17:46.12 | twoboxen | ad-hac? |
| 17:46.24 | twoboxen | ... No one pesters me except my coworkers |
| 17:46.26 | itsnotabigtruck | you might find it useful, it allows you to use the wi-fi hotspot inside the us |
| 17:46.52 | twoboxen | is that just enabling that one flag... can't remember where |
| 17:46.59 | twoboxen | that disables the sar prevention :) |
| 17:47.00 | itsnotabigtruck | if it works please put in a qa approval here http://apps.formeego.org/staging/applications/n9/pr1.0/harmattan/Network/ad-hac/ with your meego.com account |
| 17:47.06 | twoboxen | k |
| 17:47.13 | itsnotabigtruck | sort of...most approaches turn the flag back on |
| 17:47.18 | itsnotabigtruck | my approach prevents it from being turned off |
| 17:47.21 | twoboxen | yours is different? |
| 17:47.22 | twoboxen | ah |
| 17:47.27 | twoboxen | how do you do that? |
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| 17:47.43 | itsnotabigtruck | some creativity with dbus, you can look at the source package and see how |
| 17:47.48 | itsnotabigtruck | all it does is install a config file |
| 17:48.22 | itsnotabigtruck | right now it's stuck at 2/6 approvals (no one seems to think of approving apps on appsformeego) |
| 17:48.29 | twoboxen | ok |
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| 17:48.34 | twoboxen | i'll go do so |
| 17:48.40 | itsnotabigtruck | awesome thanks |
| 17:50.27 | piggz | has anyone upgraded QtSDK to the latest harmatten target? |
| 17:50.47 | piggz | if so, have you noticed increased app startup times? |
| 17:51.01 | itsnotabigtruck | piggz: haven't tried it myself, i'm sure someone else has |
| 17:51.10 | itsnotabigtruck | they still neglected to release a real sdk for pr1.2 |
| 17:51.14 | itsnotabigtruck | or pr1.1 for that matter |
| 17:52.17 | piggz | itsnotabigtruck: what way do you mean not real? |
| 17:53.12 | itsnotabigtruck | piggz: as plebeians we only have access to the PR1.0 SDK |
| 17:53.17 | itsnotabigtruck | with some extra libs from later releases added in |
| 17:53.44 | itsnotabigtruck | the idea is to force people to be compliant with ovi policy by not writing apps for >PR1.0 firmware |
| 17:54.01 | itsnotabigtruck | and that policy is due to nokia neglecting to add the ability to check firmware versions into the ovi store client |
| 17:54.04 | itsnotabigtruck | :/ |
| 17:54.22 | itsnotabigtruck | this means that in order to do anything unusual that requires newer libraries, you have to go to extraordinary measures |
| 17:54.31 | itsnotabigtruck | and also have major trouble getting your app into appsformeego |
| 17:54.59 | itsnotabigtruck | even though you're relying on existing libraries supplied by nokia with the firmware |
| 17:56.24 | piggz | itsnotabigtruck: but.......its still an awesome phone ;) |
| 17:56.47 | itsnotabigtruck | piggz: it might be but nokia's mishandling of parts of it is infuriating |
| 17:57.11 | piggz | itsnotabigtruck: well, you could say alot of things in nokia are mis-handled :) |
| 17:57.24 | piggz | but, its still allowing me tobe creative |
| 17:58.13 | itsnotabigtruck | piggz: right, i'm not saying harmattan is /bad/ or that it doesn't allow 'being creative' |
| 17:58.34 | itsnotabigtruck | but i don't like having to jump over obstacles that have no reason to be there in the first place |
| 17:59.30 | piggz | is there a list of differences between the PRs? .... by always using the latest, i guess you loose sight of what doesnt work in older versions |
| 17:59.51 | itsnotabigtruck | piggz: well, 2 examples i know of |
| 18:00.08 | itsnotabigtruck | a) timed in 1.1 adds the ability to fire processes when the time/time zone is changed |
| 18:00.27 | itsnotabigtruck | which is very useful for triggering events that must occur whenever the day of month changes, and things like that |
| 18:00.51 | itsnotabigtruck | needed that for calendarrr and end up doing a super ugly hack (copying headers/libs into my source package) |
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| 18:01.26 | itsnotabigtruck | b) 1.2 added signon-oauth2 for oauth credentials management |
| 18:01.34 | itsnotabigtruck | (added for use by the twitter client but has other applications) |
| 18:01.44 | piggz | ...they added support for anna and belle in ovi store ...... they presumably could add support for minimum n9 versions |
| 18:01.48 | itsnotabigtruck | but the headers needed to use it aren't shipped with the sdk |
| 18:02.04 | itsnotabigtruck | zogg needed that for his imgur client |
| 18:02.17 | piggz | ooo...i need to re-write my latitude client by the end of the month to use oauth2....google are switching off oauth1 access |
| 18:02.39 | piggz | was just going to use the webview trick |
| 18:02.40 | lizardo | itsnotabigtruck: where can I get the source code for ad-hac? |
| 18:03.02 | merlin1991 | any ideas which token I need in order to set the date from a binary? |
| 18:03.15 | itsnotabigtruck | lizardo: it doesn't actually have source code, it only installs a config file |
| 18:03.22 | itsnotabigtruck | do dpkg -x on the deb and you'll see |
| 18:03.35 | itsnotabigtruck | second, there's a link in the tmo thread |
| 18:03.36 | merlin1991 | I compiled rdate but it only works as 'developer' user and root get a permission denied |
| 18:03.56 | itsnotabigtruck | merlin1991: it's one of the linux capabilities |
| 18:04.05 | itsnotabigtruck | look up man capabilities |
| 18:04.11 | itsnotabigtruck | or man <whatevertheapiyouuseis> |
| 18:04.20 | lizardo | itsnotabigtruck: ok, It's just that I'm on desktop and the appsformeego page only shows the device-only "apps://" url :) |
| 18:04.39 | lizardo | who is managing appsformeego BTW? X-Fade ? |
| 18:04.40 | itsnotabigtruck | lizardo: oh, right, the AFM page is really just for putting in the qa approval |
| 18:04.42 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah |
| 18:04.44 | itsnotabigtruck | and lbt |
| 18:04.56 | merlin1991 | ah appears to be CAP_SYS_TIME |
| 18:05.45 | rlinfati | DocScrutinizer, Today i recive my dvd with the harmattan sources version 30.2012.07-1 , the pr12 of the N9 (!= pr12 n950 ) |
| 18:05.47 | merlin1991 | scratches head while reading manifest syntax notes |
| 18:06.02 | itsnotabigtruck | rlinfati: javispedro received that a while back and published the iso |
| 18:06.05 | lizardo | itsnotabigtruck: one think I liked on the maemo.org QA pages, was that you were able to download sources and .deb from the page... I'm sure appsformeego we can, it is just not a quick link:) |
| 18:06.13 | lizardo | thing* |
| 18:06.27 | itsnotabigtruck | lizardo: yeah, every appsformeego entry has a corresponding obs entry with source/deb links |
| 18:06.32 | itsnotabigtruck | though obs has its own usability problems |
| 18:06.34 | rlinfati | if you want, i can upload the 2012.07 version |
| 18:06.52 | itsnotabigtruck | rlinfati: i'm pretty sure you have the exact same image he uploaded |
| 18:07.03 | rlinfati | nop, here is the diference http://paste.ubuntu.com/883665/ |
| 18:07.09 | itsnotabigtruck | they shipped an iso image burned on a dvd as a file, right? |
| 18:07.12 | itsnotabigtruck | do a sha-1 of the iso |
| 18:07.38 | itsnotabigtruck | ah, you're right |
| 18:07.39 | rlinfati | nop, the dvd has the .targz, .dsc, etc, NOT an .iso file. |
| 18:07.43 | itsnotabigtruck | the iso i have is 30.2012.03-5_sources.iso |
| 18:07.48 | itsnotabigtruck | interesting |
| 18:07.50 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, upload away |
| 18:07.52 | itsnotabigtruck | better yet, make a torrent |
| 18:08.10 | rlinfati | not sure if i can use torrent at the university |
| 18:08.23 | itsnotabigtruck | but image the disc as an iso first |
| 18:08.39 | itsnotabigtruck | if you're on windows imgburn is a good free utility for that |
| 18:08.43 | itsnotabigtruck | (not open source though :() |
| 18:08.49 | rlinfati | linux user |
| 18:08.57 | twoboxen | itsnotabigtruck: how do I download an apps://1525 URL? |
| 18:09.21 | itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen lizardo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82715 |
| 18:09.23 | itsnotabigtruck | just use that |
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| 18:09.55 | rlinfati | also, the diference on the device (!= sdk) between 2012.03-4 and 2012.07-1 are: http://paste.ubuntu.com/883668/ |
| 18:10.13 | lizardo | itsnotabigtruck: found it : http://repo.apps.formeego.org/harmattan/apps-testing/all/ad-hac_1.0_all.deb |
| 18:10.25 | lizardo | got the direct URL from the n9 client .deb |
| 18:10.46 | itsnotabigtruck | lizardo: yep, in fact my tmo post links back to that |
| 18:12.49 | twoboxen | ok cool |
| 18:12.58 | twoboxen | downloaded, tested, works great, voted you up |
| 18:13.01 | twoboxen | nice work :) |
| 18:13.03 | itsnotabigtruck | twoboxen: awesome thanks |
| 18:13.18 | Khertan | rah stupid native browser can t upload file to cobs |
| 18:13.31 | itsnotabigtruck | i hope that "i don't know" for the icon field won't interfere with the approval |
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| 18:13.35 | lizardo | I was more interested on how it works anyway, as I don't need it in my country :) |
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| 18:14.32 | lizardo | (actually, I never used hotspot function) |
| 18:14.34 | Khertan | is there a way to submit package to cobs in additions to the web interface ? |
| 18:14.36 | itsnotabigtruck | lizardo: heh |
| 18:14.42 | itsnotabigtruck | install it anyway! then approve it :) |
| 18:14.48 | itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't hurt to install it if you don't need it |
| 18:14.53 | itsnotabigtruck | then you can have a truly global n9 :p |
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| 18:18.18 | Khertan | Rahhh and they broke Firefox with that v11 ... cannot anymore select deb for upload |
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| 18:22.29 | Khertan | Let user decide what he want to do ! Do not take wrong decision for him ! |
| 18:22.48 | itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: is that @ me? |
| 18:25.56 | Khertan | nope ... :) just ranting |
| 18:26.09 | Khertan | are you a firefox devel ? |
| 18:26.17 | itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: nah, definitely not |
| 18:26.24 | Khertan | so not to you |
| 18:26.26 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:26.32 | itsnotabigtruck | i think romaxa is the main guy for the firefox port (he's a nokiite) |
| 18:26.40 | twoboxen | this is so exciting having my chroot ready to go |
| 18:26.44 | piggz | what is the size limit for apps created with the qtsdk? if i recall, /tmp is something small, and my package is now 19mb |
| 18:26.45 | twoboxen | my world just opened |
| 18:26.50 | piggz | and failing to upload |
| 18:26.54 | Khertan | they broke firefox by design, you cannot upload anymore upload any type of file on harmattan |
| 18:27.06 | Khertan | only things that stupid trackers track |
| 18:27.46 | Khertan | Any way to submit apps to cobs than webinterface ? |
| 18:28.22 | itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: yeah, osc |
| 18:28.39 | itsnotabigtruck | but why are you trying to upload from the phone itself |
| 18:28.43 | itsnotabigtruck | upload from your devbox |
| 18:29.29 | Khertan | because it s the only device i ve |
| 18:29.29 | Khertan | right now |
| 18:29.35 | Khertan | and it s when i m in the train that i ve the time for hobby devel |
| 18:29.42 | tehdely | i like that my phone got firefox 11 |
| 18:29.46 | tehdely | before my ubuntu desktop did |
| 18:29.49 | tehdely | it is a bit more responsive, btw |
| 18:29.52 | tehdely | fennec 10 was horrifyingly slow |
| 18:31.12 | Khertan | tehdely: but was usefull to complete the native browser weakness, now it s useless |
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| 18:31.17 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck, which is my n950 :) |
| 18:32.15 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck, and it s break the use i ve... can t upload things now |
| 18:32.21 | Khertan | this sucks so much ! |
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| 18:33.13 | Khertan | maybe i should go back to n900 ... was less powerfull but have less limitation too ! |
| 18:34.49 | tehdely | Khertan: so you can't upload any files now? |
| 18:34.51 | tehdely | i haven't tested |
| 18:34.55 | tehdely | that is a strange restriction |
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| 18:36.59 | Khertan | tehdely : you can upload picture, sound and text document that tracker is capable to found |
| 18:37.12 | Khertan | also pdf |
| 18:37.13 | Khertan | %othing more |
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| 18:38.19 | tehdely | sounds like a "feature" |
| 18:38.25 | tehdely | is the source available? |
| 18:41.31 | Khertan | a "feature" like in "It s not a bug it s a feature" |
| 18:41.32 | Khertan | it s a regression by design |
| 18:42.00 | tehdely | hence the quotes |
| 18:42.04 | tehdely | ;) |
| 18:43.40 | Khertan | and native webbrowser didn t even provide an file dialog for upload |
| 18:43.41 | Khertan | :( |
| 18:43.41 | Khertan | no other choice |
| 18:43.41 | Khertan | itsnotabigtruck, did you know what is the protocol behinf osc ? |
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| 18:46.21 | Khertan | i can understand why there is so low interest in doing apps for harmattan |
| 18:47.33 | Khertan | there is always something that require workarround |
| 18:48.15 | Khertan | bye |
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| 19:00.06 | djszapi | jreznik: hey there. |
| 19:04.15 | jreznik | djszapi: hi |
| 19:04.57 | djszapi | jreznik: how can I generate the rpm changes file ? |
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| 19:05.32 | djszapi | is it similar to the changelog file writing with the ".deb" packages ? |
| 19:08.14 | jreznik | generate rpm changelog file? what do you mean, I'm not very familiar with .deb even packaging on Harmattan |
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| 19:09.13 | djszapi | jreznik: nah, changes file is related to rpm, changelog file is related to .deb :) |
| 19:11.34 | jreznik | djszapi: so you want to get changelog from rpm and export it to file |
| 19:11.35 | jreznik | ? |
| 19:13.37 | djszapi | jreznik: nah |
| 19:14.19 | djszapi | jreznik: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=kanagram&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel -> You can see a *.changes file in there. |
| 19:16.57 | jreznik | djszapi: ah, I don't know, in fedora we have changelog in spec file... |
| 19:21.04 | jreznik | hmm, with pr 1.2 the sip is broken - it freezes phone after a half hour... before I was using it for 1.5h calls without any problems |
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| 19:53.18 | gabriel9 | rZr |
| 19:53.20 | gabriel9 | ping |
| 19:54.30 | teleshoes | libc6-dev wont come without the pr1.2 sdk, yea? |
| 19:56.04 | gabriel9 | still i can't install Debuggeing on N9 |
| 19:58.27 | teleshoes | im asking the world-at-large if gcc headers are on the horizon for pr1.2 |
| 20:01.36 | gabriel9 | this is new: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Developer_tools_Using_Instrumentation_Dashboard.html |
| 20:02.12 | teleshoes | ooh cute |
| 20:03.02 | rZr | gabriel9: hi wasup |
| 20:03.11 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone with scratchbox going? if so, could you grab the libc6 from the sources iso and build it |
| 20:03.24 | itsnotabigtruck | that will produce the missing -dbg package |
| 20:03.30 | gabriel9 | rZr: how to vote? |
| 20:03.34 | gabriel9 | onr |
| 20:03.40 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: fyi the libevent package in your repository has a broken package dependency on libssl1.0.0 |
| 20:03.43 | itsnotabigtruck | (needs to be libssl1) |
| 20:03.59 | gabriel9 | for redak, also i cant use it. It's just do nothing :/ |
| 20:04.21 | gabriel9 | also let us write some parser for syntax highlight :) |
| 20:04.38 | gabriel9 | for js |
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| 20:31.14 | MohammadAG | What's the sine wave wallpaper thing? |
| 20:35.31 | rZr | itsnotabigtruck: djszapi wanna fix it ? or we delete it for now ? |
| 20:36.15 | rZr | gabriel9: i ported it on symbian i just tested on belle now |
| 20:36.21 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: well maybe investigate first? |
| 20:36.40 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm wondering *why* it's getting built with a borked dependency |
| 20:36.53 | rZr | itsnotabigtruck: let me have a look |
| 20:39.03 | rZr | omg |
| 20:39.04 | rZr | The requested URL /pool/harmattan-beta3/ was not found on this server. |
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| 20:39.23 | rZr | no more beta |
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| 20:41.18 | rZr | itsnotabigtruck: it looks that that package was agreated from other repo, i am rebuilding it to double check |
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| 20:55.44 | AndrewX192 | What in the world |
| 20:55.48 | AndrewX192 | I had a creeking N9 |
| 20:55.55 | AndrewX192 | But I just realized, that it doesn't creek anymore |
| 20:56.07 | AndrewX192 | No matter what I do, no creeks |
| 20:56.34 | AndrewX192 | It feels solid now |
| 20:57.59 | rZr | itsnotabigtruck: i just rebuilt it |
| 20:58.02 | rZr | itsnotabigtruck: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=armv7el&filename=libevent-1.4-2_1.4.13-stable-1_armel.deb&package=libevent&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=harmattan |
| 20:58.08 | rZr | itsnotabigtruck: only depends on libc |
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| 21:19.48 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: the problematic package was libevent-openssl iirc |
| 21:24.29 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: it looks like libevent 2.0 is no longer being compiled, hmm |
| 21:24.38 | itsnotabigtruck | the reason i ws looking into libevent was because of tor |
| 21:24.45 | itsnotabigtruck | and i'm not precisely sure what tor actually requires |
| 21:29.22 | itsnotabigtruck | btw anyone up for the libc6 package build? |
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| 21:50.23 | gabriel9 | RzR |
| 21:50.26 | gabriel9 | ping |
| 21:50.43 | gabriel9 | where to put icon? |
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| 23:01.06 | DrGrov | Anyone else got the phone charging over night? |
| 23:01.45 | DrGrov | I wonder, I got the "act-dead" mode when I started charging now. I wonder what happened... It was before switching power on and then started charging. Not getting into "act-dead" mode at all, just now. |
| 23:02.20 | SpeedEvil | If it's very flat, you don't go into act-dead |
| 23:02.33 | SpeedEvil | It goes to act-dead once it's at ... 3v? |
| 23:02.44 | SpeedEvil | if you plug it in |
| 23:02.45 | DrGrov | Hi SpeedEvil |
| 23:03.01 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: I have no idea at what it was now when I turned it off and started charging it. |
| 23:03.13 | DrGrov | Perhaps around 45% or something like that, not 100% sure though |
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| 23:05.14 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: How do you have your charging on the N9/N950? You leave it over the night charging even though it would be full much earlier? |
| 23:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | I suspect improper usageof terms |
| 23:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | My devices sit there 'charging' for literally months |
| 23:06.26 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 23:06.31 | DrGrov | Hi Doc |
| 23:06.34 | SpeedEvil | I charge mine when it beeps typically |
| 23:06.55 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Ok, then you leave it in for a longer time even? |
| 23:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | longer than me? nah! |
| 23:07.17 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Have you noticed anything on the battery quality due to your charging cycles? |
| 23:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 23:07.57 | DocScrutinizer | actually N9(50) is doing way better than N900 in that regard |
| 23:08.00 | DrGrov | Ok, thanks for clarifying that for me. I thought it might be an issue but now I am confident about it since a lot of users tend to leave it in for long times even without losing battery quality. |
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| 23:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: one caveat: you should lock the screen |
| 23:10.46 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: I have one charging cable |
| 23:10.57 | SpeedEvil | DrGrov: So I typically swap it between my n900 and 950 |
| 23:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | well, on N9 there's no way not to lock it |
| 23:14.46 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Lock the screen? Yes, I keep it locked when I charge. Now when it is in "act-dead" mode I just got that battery icon showing up. |
| 23:14.57 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Or do you mean that I can lock it some other way as well? |
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| 23:16.26 | DrGrov | Damn I love the green Monster energy drink, I got a 24 x 0,5L case last week... Mmmm.... |
| 23:18.28 | DrGrov | Well, thanks DocScrutinizer and SpeedEvil for the comments and replies |
| 23:18.31 | DrGrov | I am off to get some sleep |
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