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| 01:47.38 | itsnotabigtruck | npm: i thought they got rid of modest on harmattan |
| 01:48.09 | itsnotabigtruck | the solution probably has something to do with qmf (qt messaging framework) |
| 01:48.16 | itsnotabigtruck | no clue if that actually uses dbus under the hood |
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| 03:52.08 | npm | i just want an easy way to preload a draft into the mailer w/ some content (transcribed voice entry) and the original voice note audio. |
| 03:52.24 | npm | itsnotabigtruck: ^^^ |
| 03:52.37 | npm | actually looking to solve something else so just taking notes on the side-issue |
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| 04:20.41 | itsnotabigtruck | npm: hmm |
| 04:21.04 | itsnotabigtruck | i have no clue what QMF is good for but it sounds like something it ought to be able to do |
| 04:22.52 | itsnotabigtruck | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/qmessagemanager.html#addMessage |
| 04:25.14 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm having trouble figuring out how one is supposed to tell it where to actually put the message...though it looks like it might default to drafts |
| 04:26.22 | itsnotabigtruck | actually i think you want http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/qmessageservice.html#compose |
| 04:26.41 | itsnotabigtruck | since the goal isn't really to save it as a draft but to open the compose view for the user to edit it |
| 04:27.43 | itsnotabigtruck | if you aren't using qt, no idea how to invoke that stuff - but i believe the relevant code is oss |
| 04:41.38 | npm | i am using qt |
| 05:15.33 | itsnotabigtruck | npm: well then, there it is :D |
| 05:15.37 | itsnotabigtruck | any luck? |
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| 08:13.03 | gri | does anyone know where the contact display settings "first name - last name" or "last name - first name" of the contacts application is stored? "gconftool -R /" does not seem to find that setting |
| 08:15.11 | phako_ | gri: /home/user/.contacts/some-ini-file-I-forgot |
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| 08:17.54 | gri | phako: There are only binary files |
| 08:18.04 | phako | gri: hm |
| 08:18.07 | phako | ah |
| 08:18.08 | phako | no |
| 08:18.10 | phako | sorry |
| 08:18.40 | phako | then it's somewhere in .config |
| 08:18.55 | phako | gri: let me check the source, sec. |
| 08:19.13 | gri | phako: found it |
| 08:19.53 | gri | ~/.config/Nokia $ cat Contacts.ini [General] nameOrder=first-last |
| 08:20.00 | phako | yeah :) |
| 08:20.09 | gri | danke :) |
| 08:20.21 | phako | kein ding |
| 08:21.16 | phako | http://gitorious.org/qtcontacts-tracker/qtcontacts-tracker/blobs/master/src/lib/settings.cpp#line88 |
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| 11:15.20 | faenil | like onCreated: but there's no such signal |
| 11:15.34 | faenil | components have onComponentCreated |
| 11:15.40 | faenil | but many elements don't |
| 11:21.56 | hiemanshu | faenil: try #qt-qml you might find more people there :) |
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| 11:38.23 | gri | mardy: Yeah, I realized that after answering without thinking :P |
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| 12:06.44 | faenil | gri: aaaalright, that was it, I was mispelling it, it's Component.onCompleted! |
| 12:06.45 | faenil | thanks |
| 12:07.14 | gri | how can you misspell it? QtCreator provides completions :P |
| 12:08.35 | alterego | Not everyone uses Qt Creator ... |
| 12:08.41 | alterego | To code QML I don't use it tbf. |
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| 14:14.44 | jesuschrist | ~seen admiral01 |
| 14:14.48 | infobot | jesuschrist: i haven't seen 'admiral01' |
| 14:15.04 | faenil | has anyone ever experienced problems with ListItem component? |
| 14:15.09 | djszapiN9 | yeah |
| 14:15.11 | djszapiN9 | many |
| 14:15.12 | faenil | I'm using onClicked, but it doesn't work... |
| 14:15.19 | faenil | it works half the times |
| 14:15.26 | djszapiN9 | i have a patched version in master |
| 14:15.37 | faenil | the rest I just get the "pressed" state, but no "clicked" |
| 14:16.17 | faenil | did you have the same issue? |
| 14:16.52 | djszapiN9 | not really, but you might wanna check out master anyway :) |
| 14:17.08 | djszapiN9 | other also fixed some thingie |
| 14:17.32 | faenil | which master? |
| 14:17.45 | djszapiN9 | qt-comp |
| 14:18.07 | faenil | ok |
| 14:18.15 | djszapiN9 | but onclicked works for me |
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| 14:18.26 | faenil | it works at times here... |
| 14:18.35 | djszapiN9 | not sure if i have a mouse area separately |
| 14:18.37 | faenil | sometimes it does, sometimes only "pressed" state |
| 14:18.40 | faenil | I tried that too |
| 14:18.45 | faenil | inside the listitem |
| 14:20.07 | djszapiN9 | btw it is not fun to miss the plane |
| 14:20.57 | djszapiN9 | faenil, could you please check out my code ? |
| 14:21.08 | djszapiN9 | i use clickable listitems |
| 14:21.19 | faenil | ;) |
| 14:21.24 | djszapiN9 | in the gluonplayer, and also in kanagram |
| 14:21.39 | faenil | but I don't have much time to see differences, I think I'd rather use text element and be done with that |
| 14:22.55 | djszapiN9 | you could see whether i use external mouse area |
| 14:23.48 | faenil | yeah looking at it ;) |
| 14:24.37 | faenil | you just use a normal mousearea (is there any alternative) and call root.clicked() |
| 14:25.43 | faenil | this is strange, there must something competing to get the click |
| 14:26.49 | djszapiN9 | do you use complicated focus management ? |
| 14:27.41 | faenil | not in that part |
| 14:27.51 | faenil | not in that screen "area" |
| 14:28.08 | djszapiN9 | try a simple workhorse |
| 14:28.59 | faenil | trying with bigger listitems atm |
| 14:36.05 | faenil | it's the same without |
| 14:36.41 | djszapiN9 | without what ? |
| 14:36.42 | faenil | it's the same without ListItem, so there must be some other problem |
| 14:37.02 | djszapiN9 | perhaps focus issue |
| 14:37.12 | faenil | it's strange coz all other buttons and stuff are working |
| 14:37.35 | faenil | I have 2 items in the list |
| 14:37.40 | faenil | I click on 1st, click 2nd |
| 14:37.45 | faenil | and for the first 5-6 times it works |
| 14:37.49 | faenil | then I click the 1st |
| 14:37.59 | faenil | and I have to click it 6 times for it to get the click |
| 14:38.01 | faenil | or something like that |
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| 14:49.53 | djszapiN9 | faenil, i honestly lost my sake about qml |
| 14:50.01 | faenil | :) |
| 14:50.32 | djszapiN9 | so much hack i need to do to amend its limitations |
| 14:50.59 | faenil | yeah, +1000 on that |
| 14:51.09 | djszapiN9 | and i am not keen on writing very nasty hacks that i know i can drop later completely. |
| 14:52.35 | djszapiN9 | whereas that was the way with qgv as well, unfortunately. |
| 14:52.50 | rzr | hi |
| 14:52.56 | rzr | back home |
| 14:53.23 | faenil | exactly, so... |
| 14:53.39 | rzr | djszapiN9: how is weather in helsinky? |
| 14:54.02 | djszapiN9 | -4 so hawai'ish :)) |
| 14:54.20 | djszapiN9 | it was -30'ish yesterday |
| 14:54.59 | rzr | at day or night ? |
| 14:55.02 | faenil | :O |
| 14:55.17 | itsnotabigtruck | it's always ofc possible to build the app w/o qml |
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| 14:58.16 | djszapiN9 | rzr morn |
| 15:00.01 | rzr | time to book a flight to the sun |
| 15:00.48 | djszapiN9 | i am planning to relocate to nz :) |
| 15:02.19 | rzr | it can be cold overthere too |
| 15:04.15 | djszapiN9 | i did not dare to get off the car in minus forty |
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| 15:07.20 | djszapiN9 | faenil, have you tried this qml2 ? |
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| 15:09.47 | faenil | this what' |
| 15:09.49 | faenil | ? |
| 15:12.23 | rzr | djszapiN9: is your pres online ? |
| 15:12.34 | rzr | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1161274#post1161274 |
| 15:13.25 | djszapiN9 | rzr i sent it to stskeeps |
| 15:13.44 | rzr | k |
| 15:14.15 | faenil | djszapiN9: root of the problem detected |
| 15:14.41 | djszapiN9 | rzr it was not a great talk though ;) |
| 15:14.48 | faenil | mouseclicks get to TabGroup |
| 15:14.58 | faenil | then it probably doesn't pass it correctly |
| 15:15.05 | faenil | them* |
| 15:16.40 | djszapiN9 | rzr my impression is that fosdem is too big, and too short |
| 15:16.59 | djszapiN9 | this makes it a bit rushy |
| 15:17.41 | djszapiN9 | you either do not contact with certain friends, or just not much. |
| 15:18.29 | rzr | i agrea |
| 15:18.40 | rzr | too far too big too short and TOO COLD |
| 15:19.19 | rzr | I did miss the qt5 presentation too |
| 15:19.41 | rzr | but some friends made me a resume |
| 15:20.41 | djszapiN9 | i prefer smaller sprints for a weekend meeting :) |
| 15:22.38 | rzr | btw did u see anything about ubuntu tablets ? |
| 15:22.44 | djszapiN9 | are there photos somewhere ? |
| 15:22.50 | djszapiN9 | nope |
| 15:23.09 | rzr | nothing new |
| 15:24.49 | rzr | picture of the tablet you'd like to own |
| 15:24.51 | rzr | http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/1114197/ubuntu_hitting_tablets_and_smartphones_by_2014.html |
| 15:26.52 | djszapiN9 | i dislike tabletd |
| 15:26.58 | djszapiN9 | tablets* |
| 15:27.21 | djszapiN9 | it is uncomfy to me to bring with me |
| 15:27.22 | rzr | no use for me |
| 15:27.45 | djszapiN9 | i can put a handset into the packet... |
| 15:28.01 | djszapiN9 | pocket* |
| 15:37.41 | Corsac | nice teeth |
| 15:37.54 | djszapiN9 | faenil, i am interested in qml2's boundaries |
| 15:38.09 | faenil | I have not tried qml2 yet... |
| 15:38.38 | faenil | I hate how I get stuck for stupid bugs for days |
| 15:38.52 | djszapiN9 | i am gonna try it out after the beta release. |
| 15:39.01 | faenil | yeah me too probably |
| 15:40.37 | djszapiN9 | i personally write less effective code with it than getting wasted time with hackeries |
| 15:41.24 | djszapiN9 | for instance, model data altering |
| 15:41.48 | djszapiN9 | i better go for full reassignment twice in qml |
| 15:42.52 | djszapiN9 | less hackery to be drkopped later :) |
| 15:43.03 | faenil | :) |
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| 16:28.14 | npm | the model->qml thing could use some improving. you should be able to pass arbitrary javascript values in a model, such as functions or closures |
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| 16:28.52 | djszapi | npm: +++++++1 |
| 16:28.59 | npm | and i'm not sure at what point it falls down efficiency wise, e.g. with very large models |
| 16:29.02 | BluesLee | frals: ping |
| 16:29.32 | npm | however, as integration of dynamic language and advanced GUI concepts it's really nice |
| 16:30.15 | npm | but it has shortcomings -- most of which can't be changed -- e.g. javascript instead of scheme, etc. |
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| 16:30.59 | BluesLee | itsnotabigtruck ping |
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| 16:33.03 | npm | from my perspective, QML is like WINTERP ( http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%2Bwinterp+lisp ) but multiplatform, fully featured 20+years later, and I don't have to deal w/ people's bug reports :-) |
| 16:37.59 | npm | of course if you went to fosdem and heard that java is the way to go for building UI's.over gtk+ -- it's like saying eating dog shit is better than eating cat shit |
| 16:38.13 | faenil | ahahah |
| 16:38.55 | npm | the only difference is the cat shit is in a leaky, smelly sandbox :-) |
| 16:39.19 | faenil | lol |
| 16:40.14 | npm | although building UIs in clojure might approach decent if you could use something like gcj to compile it down to .o's |
| 16:40.58 | djszapi | does anybody know how to get an integer for a division out of a 20/6 example for instance, for a list element property ? |
| 16:42.37 | djszapi | *list element role |
| 16:42.38 | npm | djszapi: .toFixed() ? |
| 16:43.01 | djszapi | yeah, that would be the feature, but how to implement it ? |
| 16:43.15 | npm | (foo/bar).toFixed() ? |
| 16:43.45 | djszapi | mmm.. I think I miss something :) |
| 16:43.58 | djszapi | where does this toFixed() belong to ? |
| 16:44.20 | djszapi | 1) Shall I write it ? 2) Builtin javascript method 3) qml feature 4) something else ? |
| 16:44.51 | npm | (foo/bar).toFixed(0) perhaps |
| 16:45.06 | djszapi | where is the documentation of toFixed() ? |
| 16:45.19 | npm | http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/jsref_tofixed.asp |
| 16:45.48 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.54 | djszapi | okay, so it is 2). a javascript feature. |
| 16:46.08 | djszapi | can I call a javascript feature like that in the qml role bit ? |
| 16:46.16 | npm | why else would you use javascript if not to use its features |
| 16:46.27 | faenil | :) |
| 16:46.56 | djszapi | I recal I had issues with calling javascript builtin methods in the description part of the qml file. |
| 16:47.00 | djszapi | recall* |
| 16:47.07 | npm | djszapi: that should be the point of QML. it falls down in a few places that true OOPy javascripters like me might complain |
| 16:47.57 | npm | djszapi: then make a closure and call it in the closure |
| 16:51.18 | djszapi | what do you mean by closure ? |
| 16:51.28 | djszapi | function ? |
| 16:52.23 | npm | an unnamed function, used functionally, making use of any lexical variables at point of definition, but may be called anytime |
| 17:03.10 | djszapi | npm: you seem to be a js expert :) |
| 17:07.57 | rzr | djszapi: note there is also closure in c++ |
| 17:09.08 | rzr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_(computer_science)#Blocks_.28C.2C_C.2B.2B.2C_Objective-C_2.0.29 |
| 17:09.09 | djszapi | yes, it is called functor |
| 17:10.04 | rzr | this remind me some obscure computer science courses |
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| 17:10.54 | itsnotabigtruck | crap, missed blueslee |
| 17:11.28 | DrGrov | Yo |
| 17:11.46 | itsnotabigtruck | hey drgrov |
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| 17:18.59 | djszapi | npm: I could not define a global js variable inside the qml file either. |
| 17:23.10 | djszapi | is it possible to put the listview in a row by using Row outside ? |
| 17:23.25 | djszapi | (as a container of the listview). It works fine for repeater. |
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| 18:20.43 | DrGrov | itsnotabigtruck: PM |
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| 18:42.38 | ZogG_lap1op | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.42 | ZogG_lap1op | oops |
| 18:45.15 | npm | no, you'd have to have something like Global.variable where 'Global' is created out of a .js file |
| 18:47.06 | djszapi | yes, that is what I did. imo that is a nasty hack of the qml limitations. |
| 18:49.36 | npm | not really. it's just that the "design" ought to be explained :-) |
| 18:49.55 | npm | why should a qml file, that is basically a class, have access to "global" ? |
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| 18:51.05 | djszapi | because it is not really global |
| 18:51.16 | djszapi | it is actually static, or even going furthermore: local to an object |
| 18:51.25 | npm | exactly "global" is C++ |
| 18:51.52 | djszapi | and this is a dirty hack to have one-liner js file |
| 18:51.55 | djszapi | defining a variable .. |
| 18:51.58 | npm | how could you introspect that far? |
| 18:52.30 | djszapi | not sure what you mean. |
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| 18:52.41 | jesuschrist | hi |
| 18:55.00 | gri | starts hating libcommhistory |
| 18:55.19 | djszapi | npm: http://paste.kde.org/200972/ -> as I expected. |
| 18:56.28 | gri | That evil GroupModel (for listing conversation groups) does change order of rows without using QAbstractItemModel::beginMoveRows() or insert/remove |
| 18:56.47 | gri | and if you show that one inside a QML ListView, it gets completely confused |
| 18:57.24 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.26 | npm | or somesuch |
| 18:57.41 | djszapi | uhh that is sort of ugly ;) |
| 18:58.01 | npm | well you can replace it w/ a named function defined in qml instead |
| 18:58.09 | djszapi | yeah |
| 18:58.14 | djszapi | makes more sense to me |
| 18:58.14 | npm | don't blame me for javascipt being stupid |
| 18:58.32 | djszapi | lol |
| 18:59.02 | npm | it should all be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus |
| 19:00.16 | npm | e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_calculus#First-class_functions |
| 19:00.34 | djszapi | file:///opt/kanagram/qml/MainPage.qml:209:13: ListElement: cannot use script for property value remainingTimeElementRole: (function () { return (countDownTimerValue / 60 / 10).toFixed(0); }) (); |
| 19:01.09 | npm | sounds odd |
| 19:01.22 | djszapi | told ya ;) |
| 19:01.39 | npm | try setting your own property instead of function |
| 19:01.55 | npm | and then bind the remainingTimer.... to it |
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| 19:02.22 | djszapi | well, I would not use model then at all |
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| 19:02.33 | djszapi | nor delegate, nor repeater prolly. |
| 19:02.58 | npm | repeater is funky that's fo sure. |
| 19:03.14 | djszapi | funky in what sense ? |
| 19:03.59 | npm | i had to do some workarounds for a two-view model in http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/ because you can't delete items in the model |
| 19:04.25 | npm | as in, it coredumps :-) |
| 19:04.30 | djszapi | that is not repeater specific |
| 19:04.40 | npm | coredumps? no |
| 19:04.42 | djszapi | and I believe I did it in c++ |
| 19:04.53 | djszapi | addition/removal |
| 19:04.54 | npm | but you shouldn't be able to coredump from qml imho |
| 19:05.15 | npm | unless there was a try/catch block preventing it :-) |
| 19:05.42 | djszapi | ahh there are many like that |
| 19:05.48 | djszapi | for instance, qt mobility |
| 19:06.05 | djszapi | you will get a segfault in the library before getting the main entry point. |
| 19:06.28 | npm | well that's more understandable there as there's drivers puking involved |
| 19:06.57 | djszapi | so if you put the ListView in a Row container, the elements will lay down horizontally ? |
| 19:07.09 | djszapi | I cannot understand |
| 19:07.15 | gri | npm: You can crash qml if you delete objects at the wrong time :) |
| 19:07.37 | djszapi | or if you reference to a non-created one |
| 19:07.57 | npm | djszapi: it probably inherits a layout property from rowcontainer that can be forced back to vertical |
| 19:08.23 | djszapi | I do not wanna :D |
| 19:08.32 | djszapi | that is my purpose: to have a horizontal list/repeater |
| 19:08.38 | npm | gri: yes. in my case i just decided to make them invisible. they'll delete next time the app runs |
| 19:08.42 | djszapi | it works fine for a repeater. Never really tried for a list. :) |
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| 19:09.58 | npm | so i'm not finding any obvious entry points to trigger the harmattan search app from dbus |
| 19:10.04 | npm | any suggestions? |
| 19:10.29 | npm | i just want to be able to run the app with a given query as parameter |
| 19:10.45 | npm | by query i mean string |
| 19:10.53 | npm | where's the source to /usr/bin/search |
| 19:10.57 | npm | ? |
| 19:11.59 | npm | i just get 'MComponentData: Usage: /usr/bin/search ' boilerplate |
| 19:12.10 | djszapi | npm: something like this that I would like to achieve: http://paste.kde.org/200978/ |
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| 19:13.40 | itsnotabigtruck | npm: fwiw it looks like they lifted the limitation you were running into for qt 5.0 |
| 19:13.47 | itsnotabigtruck | but that doesn't do you much good as it stands on harmattan |
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| 19:15.52 | djszapi | npm: rather: http://paste.kde.org/200984/ |
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| 19:25.20 | npm | i don't think anything in a model can be "declarative" like that |
| 19:25.34 | npm | you have declarative statements in a listelement |
| 19:25.39 | djszapi | huh ? |
| 19:25.46 | npm | the buck has to stop somewhere :-) |
| 19:25.47 | djszapi | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-listmodel.html -> take a look at it then |
| 19:25.53 | gri | grrrr https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-13664 this seems to be the bug I'm experiencing all the time :( |
| 19:26.19 | djszapi | I kinda admit that, it is unhandy to make hackery properties |
| 19:26.25 | npm | djszapi: those uses are all constants |
| 19:26.26 | djszapi | for such simple stuff |
| 19:26.39 | djszapi | not following |
| 19:26.51 | npm | name: "Banana" |
| 19:26.55 | npm | not |
| 19:27.11 | npm | name: bunch && of && locic && crap |
| 19:27.53 | npm | i'd like my sql data entries to be declarative too, but they're not |
| 19:27.55 | djszapi | that is what I said. It is also an annoying limitation. |
| 19:28.14 | npm | the qml model is an annoying limitation that could be improved |
| 19:28.27 | npm | and i believe it is |
| 19:28.32 | npm | for qt5 |
| 19:28.34 | djszapi | cannot really put const there since it is not const |
| 19:28.40 | djszapi | that is the whole point of that task. |
| 19:28.48 | djszapi | it is changing every second. |
| 19:28.51 | npm | no, why should your model change on it's own? |
| 19:28.54 | npm | that makes no sense |
| 19:29.03 | npm | the controller changes the model |
| 19:29.11 | npm | a model that changes itself isn't really a model |
| 19:29.16 | djszapi | that is what should happenthere. |
| 19:29.37 | npm | tha'ts what you want to happen, but it makes no sense |
| 19:29.40 | djszapi | thenon-const stuffis changed outside |
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| 19:29.57 | djszapi | makes perfect sense |
| 19:30.03 | npm | then change it from outside. |
| 19:30.12 | djszapi | there is a description for the role, and the non-const is changed outside |
| 19:30.13 | npm | it might help to not use ListElement and use JSON directly |
| 19:30.16 | djszapi | I fail to see the problem. |
| 19:30.47 | djszapi | hahaha json :D |
| 19:30.52 | djszapi | bad joke ;) |
| 19:30.55 | npm | remainingTimeElementRole: (countDownTimerValue / 60 / 10).toFixed(0); is the problem |
| 19:30.58 | npm | you can't do it |
| 19:31.05 | npm | tha'ts why you got that error |
| 19:31.31 | npm | this one is ok probably |
| 19:31.35 | npm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.08 | npm | you could probably hack your way around what you want by running an "eval" |
| 19:32.29 | npm | because it's not evaluating your expression |
| 19:32.40 | djszapi | and this is precisely what I said |
| 19:32.47 | djszapi | it is a damn annoying limitation |
| 19:33.03 | npm | no you're using ListElement which is for noobs |
| 19:33.07 | npm | use JSON |
| 19:33.19 | djszapi | sound silly really :) |
| 19:33.22 | djszapi | sounds* |
| 19:33.33 | djszapi | json for a simple assignment :D |
| 19:33.57 | djszapi | I do not think ListElement should be used only by noobs. It might be that noobs did that component :) |
| 19:34.06 | djszapi | or they were under a big pressure for pushing something. |
| 19:36.49 | npm | depends on how you use it here's an equivalent use that lets the evaluator run it's course: http://code.google.com/p/ytd-meego/source/browse/trunk/playground/ytapi-jsonviewer/jsontube.qml#53 |
| 19:37.02 | npm | oops |
| 19:37.06 | npm | wrong link |
| 19:37.10 | npm | but that'll work too |
| 19:37.15 | npm | http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/MenuModel.qml |
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| 19:47.30 | djszapi | npm: just a momment, pondering my financial crise :) |
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| 19:51.50 | blueslee | frals: the old versions of lpmcustomizer contained some logos, i dont remember if any of them contained more than three colors |
| 19:52.19 | jesuschrist | ~seen admiral0 |
| 19:52.27 | infobot | admiral0 <~admiral0@adsl-ull-208-141.48-151.net24.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 23m 17s ago, saying: 'like %quote{random}'. |
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| 20:06.59 | djszapi | npm: I do not like that code. |
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| 20:07.59 | djszapi | as for me, that is an example how to not write things :) |
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| 20:12.06 | djszapi | does not see why he should use json for a string role. |
| 20:13.16 | gri | tell me why that crap GroupModel does send dataChanged() but it's data() method is never called after that by qml (displays old values). But when I create a test code, I can't reproduce it ... |
| 20:15.27 | djszapi | I know why :) |
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| 20:18.04 | gri | really? |
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| 20:20.10 | djszapi | morning Venemo |
| 20:27.12 | gri | djszapi: You really have a clue why my items do not update (more fitting: only partially update)? |
| 20:28.27 | gri | all delegates are updated correct except the first one o_O |
| 20:29.15 | gri | If I log "model.text" in a onClick handler, it shows the correct value |
| 20:29.20 | gri | but the display value is wrong ... |
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| 20:31.25 | blueslee | there is a general issue whe i use a reduced palette on the low power screen of the n9, for instance white, black and magenta, in the first moment everything looks fine but thenm even the clock gets a magenta touch |
| 20:31.55 | ZogG_lap1op | finally made ovi publish account |
| 20:36.06 | ZogG_lap1op | does gallery in imgur is rated as not under 18? =) |
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| 20:49.48 | gri | djszapi: Very cool. Fetching dataChanged() in the delegate and doing "text = myModel.get(model.index).text" works whereas "model.text" returns an old value :D |
| 20:52.46 | Venemo | frals, ping |
| 20:54.09 | ZogG_lap1op | Venemo: sup |
| 20:56.37 | Venemo | ZogG_lap1op, I returned to my N950. got tired of the Lumia |
| 20:56.47 | ZogG_lap1op | i know |
| 20:57.06 | gri | LOL I hate myself now. After searching two hours and having an workaround, I found the bug :P |
| 20:57.32 | Venemo | however, the contacts app doesn't want to sync my facebook and skype contacts! meh. |
| 20:57.40 | gri | One tip for all having model roles that do not update in ListView: never use insertMulti() for the roles hash on a model :) |
| 20:58.09 | ZogG_lap1op | Venemo: i registered to publish ovi \o/ |
| 20:58.26 | Venemo | ZogG_lap1op, congrats :) |
| 20:58.38 | Venemo | anyway, something is seriously wrong with this stuff. |
| 20:58.55 | Venemo | it does not want to sync either my Live account nor my Facebook account nor my Skype account |
| 20:59.09 | Anssi138 | i think it might try merge contacts with current entries. |
| 20:59.53 | RST38h | moos |
| 21:01.00 | Venemo | maybe I should just reflash and set up my stuff from scratch? meh. |
| 21:01.33 | ZogG_lap1op | Venemo: as frals answers your tweets can you ask him to put some xauth examples as there is no documentation and i'm pretty sure it's used in twitter app |
| 21:02.55 | Venemo | ZogG_lap1op, ask him yourself :) he's a very helpful person |
| 21:03.10 | frals | ZogG_lap1op: i havent had time to do it, but i would assume its documented on accounts&sso gitorious or similar as iirc the xauthplugin is oss |
| 21:03.30 | frals | and twitter app is not using xauth plugin atm |
| 21:03.41 | frals | Venemo: pong |
| 21:03.52 | Venemo | frals, do you have a minute for me? it seems that the contacts app on my N950 has gone rogue |
| 21:04.25 | ZogG_lap1op | frals: i didn't find it there and there is bug about that and it was assinged but no actions =\ |
| 21:04.40 | frals | Venemo: what about it? |
| 21:05.02 | Venemo | frals, it does not want to sync with any of my accounts |
| 21:05.15 | Venemo | right now I'm trying to disable them all and reenabling them |
| 21:05.21 | Venemo | maybe that'll help |
| 21:07.04 | Venemo | OK, it seems that it's doing something. I disabled all of my accounts, rebooted the N950 and reenabled the facebook account. now some odd little icon thingy appeared on top of my facebook contacts' portrait and when I click on them it says "checking..." |
| 21:07.14 | frals | dunno how to debug contacts app really, never had to do it fortunately... |
| 21:07.21 | Venemo | hehe |
| 21:07.38 | ZogG_lap1op | frals far i got was someoutput that it's pending user action and thats it =\ |
| 21:07.53 | frals | ZogG_lap1op: link to src? |
| 21:07.55 | Venemo | also, somehow all my phone contacts are gone from my Live account. trying to sync with Live (set up as a MfE account) also does nothing. |
| 21:08.49 | ZogG_lap1op | frals: lemme put it online, but it's ugly as i'm not good coder =\ |
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| 21:10.22 | frals | Venemo: missing accounts sounds like activesync that went haywire, check the tmo thread for debugging, but as they are already gone i guess theres not much to do :< |
| 21:10.36 | Venemo | frals, they are still there on my N950! |
| 21:10.40 | frals | (when you say gone i assume gone from hotmail web acc) |
| 21:10.47 | frals | aha, they turned into local contacts? |
| 21:11.01 | ZogG_lap1op | frals: http://dpaste.org/5rJBj/ |
| 21:11.15 | Venemo | frals, they are on the N950, but they don't appear on the live contacts web interface. they also disappeared from the lumia |
| 21:11.29 | Venemo | out of the blue |
| 21:11.40 | ZogG_lap1op | Venemo: blame ms =) |
| 21:12.24 | Venemo | ZogG_lap1op, I could blame MS all I want, but that wouldn't solve any of my problems... |
| 21:12.43 | ZogG_lap1op | Venemo: blame me =) at least it would make you happy |
| 21:13.06 | Venemo | ZogG_lap1op, blame you? why? lol. |
| 21:13.37 | Venemo | nah, anyway. I'll try to restore my backup again |
| 21:13.37 | ZogG_lap1op | Venemo: you need to blame someone |
| 21:14.08 | Venemo | ZogG_lap1op, it doesn't matter who fucked it up. what matters is that it's fucked up and I want to solve it. |
| 21:14.19 | Venemo | ZogG_lap1op, btw, I owe you a thank you :) |
| 21:14.27 | ZogG_lap1op | Venemo: what for? |
| 21:14.43 | Venemo | ZogG_lap1op, for pinging me about PR 1.2 |
| 21:14.51 | ZogG_lap1op | oh =) |
| 21:15.02 | ZogG_lap1op | thank frals and team not me |
| 21:15.27 | ZogG_lap1op | looking forward for twiiter notifications =) |
| 21:16.00 | ZogG_lap1op | frals: btw have you seen proposal on mentions improvements on bugtracker |
| 21:18.52 | gri | GAHHH crap nokia developer page keeps telling me "ValueError: I/O operation on closed file" when I try to edit bugreports |
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| 21:29.01 | ZogG_lap1op | frals: ? |
| 21:29.10 | frals | i queried you |
| 21:31.09 | Venemo | all right, this doesn't want to work at all |
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| 21:33.33 | Venemo | I'll reflash the device again, re-import my contacts from .vcf files and readd all my accounts |
| 21:36.22 | Venemo | if that doesn't fix it, then I'll be very sad. |
| 21:38.18 | frals | hmm |
| 21:38.28 | frals | if import from vcf they are not going to go to any serviec i think? |
| 21:38.37 | Venemo | they will |
| 21:38.38 | frals | add a you at some point in that sentence |
| 21:39.30 | Venemo | actually, that is how I synced the N950 with the Lumia. I enabled contacts sync on the N950 and in a couple of minutes every one of my contacts were on Live :) |
| 21:40.43 | Venemo | unless something is srsly wrong in PR 1.2, I hope it'll behave the same way now :) |
| 21:43.38 | Venemo | frals, anyway, I'm loving the new features in the Facebook, Twitter, and the Mail apps |
| 21:44.59 | Venemo | frals, you and your team has done a great job :) |
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| 21:49.30 | Chaz6 | Hi there, since doing a factory reset, emoticons no longer work. Is there an easy fix without reflashing? |
| 21:49.33 | npm | djszapi: re: "i do not like that code" ---> too bad! |
| 21:50.05 | npm | feel free to continue bashing your head against the wall w/ incorrect understanding of ListModel |
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| 21:51.19 | faenil | evening guys :) |
| 21:51.20 | npm | and when http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-1211 is resolved "that code" might become reasonable because JSON would have first class support as a model |
| 21:51.29 | faenil | does anyone have experience with multithreaded opengl? |
| 21:51.43 | faenil | I need to load a 3d model without blocking the UI |
| 21:52.04 | npm | hm weird that bug isn'tthe one i was referring to |
| 21:52.14 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: no s/mime though :( |
| 21:52.34 | itsnotabigtruck | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=295 < needs some attention |
| 21:52.39 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 295 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Missing S/MIME Support in nokia mail client |
| 21:52.43 | npm | https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-12117 |
| 21:52.49 | Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, what is s/mime? |
| 21:52.58 | npm | is the one i wanted |
| 21:53.01 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: ietf-standard e-mail encryption |
| 21:53.19 | Venemo | I have no idea what that is, I guess I've never needed it either |
| 21:53.32 | itsnotabigtruck | iphone, blackberry, outlook, thunderbird, evolution, gpg all have it |
| 21:53.37 | itsnotabigtruck | and wm6 (but not wp7) |
| 21:54.01 | Venemo | evening faenil :) |
| 21:54.07 | faenil | evening :) |
| 21:54.11 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not super popular but not having it on various mobile platforms certainly hasn't helped |
| 21:54.22 | faenil | got experience with multithreaded opengl by any chance? |
| 21:54.22 | Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, what good does it do? |
| 21:54.43 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: it lets you encrypt messages :p normal e-mail is extremely insecure |
| 21:54.52 | Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, that's why I use SSL |
| 21:55.02 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: ssl doesn't help when the e-mail is in transit |
| 21:55.09 | itsnotabigtruck | many e-mail servers don't support ssl |
| 21:55.14 | faenil | :O |
| 21:55.18 | itsnotabigtruck | many e-mail servers are controlled by untrustworthy providers |
| 21:55.24 | itsnotabigtruck | nearly all e-mail servers don't check ssl certificates |
| 21:55.30 | Venemo | all my e-mail servers support ssl |
| 21:55.30 | faenil | :O :O |
| 21:55.35 | itsnotabigtruck | ssl is generally considered a nice to have, not a core feature |
| 21:55.41 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: i'm not talking about the server you connect to directly |
| 21:55.55 | Venemo | mmhm |
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| 21:55.59 | Venemo | then educate me please |
| 21:56.09 | itsnotabigtruck | when you send a message, it gets sent to your smtp relay, then it goes through at least 1, often more servers on the way to the recipient's smtp destination |
| 21:56.28 | itsnotabigtruck | then the recipient picks it up through imap or pop3 |
| 21:56.38 | faenil | but once it's crypted your message can't be passed in clear |
| 21:56.41 | itsnotabigtruck | right |
| 21:56.54 | itsnotabigtruck | if you don't use encryption, then every one of those hops could be cleartext |
| 21:57.13 | Venemo | ok, I use SSL in my e-mail clients, so the only possible weak link is the SMTP server, right? |
| 21:57.22 | faenil | how can it? that means someone could decrypt the message after you have crypted it |
| 21:57.26 | itsnotabigtruck | and e-mail is a popular target for surveillance by governments, or just by people camped on wifi hotspots sniffing traffic |
| 21:57.42 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: no, it means there's 2, 3, 4, 5 weak links that you don't control |
| 21:57.52 | itsnotabigtruck | that's why it's important to encrypt your e-mail using PGP or S/MIME |
| 21:57.59 | faenil | email servers shouldn't be able to access the message once it's crypted, otherwise what is SSL there for |
| 21:58.25 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: ssl is for protecting the message between you and the server, it doesn't keep the server from reading the message |
| 21:58.27 | mgedmin | (and remember the fun fact that email headers aren't encrypted, so don't put sensitive stuff in your Subject line if you're paranoid) |
| 21:58.31 | itsnotabigtruck | ssl is hop-to-hop encryption |
| 21:58.36 | itsnotabigtruck | s/mime and pgp are end-to-end encryption |
| 21:58.41 | faenil | oh right |
| 21:58.46 | itsnotabigtruck | sometimes hop-to-hop encryption is good enough, like for websites |
| 21:58.51 | itsnotabigtruck | but e-mail is too insecure to get away with that |
| 21:58.55 | itsnotabigtruck | you really do need s/mime or pgp |
| 21:59.20 | faenil | but wait ssl is built on top of tcp, and tcp is end to end |
| 21:59.23 | itsnotabigtruck | S/MIME is the one chosen by most e-mail client developers, it's often built in |
| 22:00.22 | mgedmin | faenil, email transfer involves multiple end-to-end TCP hops |
| 22:00.25 | mgedmin | sessions |
| 22:00.28 | mgedmin | whatevers |
| 22:00.48 | itsnotabigtruck | you can sign up here http://www.trustcenter.de/en/products/tc_internet_id.htm or here https://secure.comodo.com/products/frontpage?area=SecureEmailCertificate and make a public key that's linked to your e-mail address |
| 22:00.55 | itsnotabigtruck | (the e-mail certificate) |
| 22:01.02 | itsnotabigtruck | then you send your e-mail certificate to everybody else |
| 22:01.10 | itsnotabigtruck | and they can send you encrypted messages using the certificate |
| 22:01.11 | faenil | and about pgp, the fact that it's based on a web of trust doesn't really make it that reliable |
| 22:01.30 | itsnotabigtruck | that only you, with your private key, can decrypt |
| 22:01.51 | itsnotabigtruck | i.e. not your isp, the government, someone camped out by a wifi hotspot, etc. |
| 22:01.52 | Venemo | interesting |
| 22:01.57 | faenil | yes but you have no guarantee about the authenticity of the certificate |
| 22:02.08 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: yeah...that's why it |
| 22:02.16 | itsnotabigtruck | *it's best if you can directly contact your correspondents and verify |
| 22:02.22 | faenil | exactly :) |
| 22:02.28 | Venemo | ok, reflash done, now enabling developer mode |
| 22:02.30 | itsnotabigtruck | but either s/mime or pgp are 1000% better than nothing |
| 22:02.38 | faenil | yeah |
| 22:02.41 | itsnotabigtruck | that's why it would be really nice to have s/mime on harmattan |
| 22:03.01 | itsnotabigtruck | but since the e-mail client isn't OSS none of us can hack it in |
| 22:03.06 | Venemo | faenil, I'm trying to set up the device from scratch. assuming that something went wrong when restoring the backup |
| 22:03.10 | faenil | but I did not know that ssl is hop-to-hop and thought tcp is end-to-end it still acts as hop-to-hop in this case |
| 22:03.18 | itsnotabigtruck | also, i'm suggesting using s/mime because it has the e-mail client support |
| 22:03.18 | faenil | Venemo: I did no backup |
| 22:03.23 | itsnotabigtruck | pgp/gpg are kinda hard to use |
| 22:03.41 | faenil | though* |
| 22:04.02 | itsnotabigtruck | the developers of gpg don't really care about making it integrate nicely with e-mail clients, most of them use mutt for their e-mail :p |
| 22:04.15 | Venemo | faenil, how did you restore your stuff then? |
| 22:04.45 | faenil | I had nothing to restore :) used gmail for contacts, and that was it |
| 22:04.48 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: well, delivering an e-mail involves multiple TCP connections |
| 22:04.56 | itsnotabigtruck | each of which might (or might not) use SSL encryption on top |
| 22:05.05 | faenil | sure |
| 22:05.19 | itsnotabigtruck | TCP doesn't provide any encryption at all, it's just what carries the data |
| 22:05.25 | faenil | yeah I know |
| 22:05.31 | faenil | I'm just out of Networking uni exam :) |
| 22:05.34 | itsnotabigtruck | hehe |
| 22:05.40 | faenil | I just did not think about this case :) |
| 22:05.46 | itsnotabigtruck | so yeah, SSL encrypts connections, S/MIME and PGP encrypt data |
| 22:05.54 | itsnotabigtruck | and in this case, encrypting a connection isn't good enough |
| 22:06.16 | Venemo | why not? |
| 22:06.16 | itsnotabigtruck | well, *encrypt messages |
| 22:06.25 | itsnotabigtruck | obviously all encryption encrypts data :p |
| 22:06.34 | faenil | exactly :D |
| 22:06.39 | faenil | that's what I was about to write xD |
| 22:06.49 | faenil | ssl encrypts data as well |
| 22:06.54 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: well, like i was just explaining - because you don't have control over the whole equation |
| 22:06.58 | faenil | but it's decrypted in the middle hops |
| 22:07.03 | itsnotabigtruck | you can't say "this email must be delivered over ssl all the way" |
| 22:07.11 | itsnotabigtruck | and it probably won't |
| 22:07.26 | itsnotabigtruck | also, you can't necessarily trust your ISP, the recipient's ISP, any ISP's in between, etc. |
| 22:07.28 | faenil | I send it to itsnotabigtruck encrypted with ssl, he gets the email and decrypts it |
| 22:07.35 | faenil | and sends it to you in cleartext |
| 22:07.42 | faenil | because he doesn't use ssl |
| 22:07.48 | faenil | that's why ssl isn't enough |
| 22:08.07 | itsnotabigtruck | right, the e-mail might go like |
| 22:08.41 | itsnotabigtruck | venemo --ssl--> venemo.com --insecure--> itsnotabigtruck.com --ssl--> itsnotabigtruck |
| 22:08.46 | faenil | anybody have multithreaded opengl experience? :D |
| 22:09.14 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: from what i remember about opengl, the way to do multithreaded opengl is to not go multithreaded opengl :p |
| 22:09.23 | itsnotabigtruck | every opengl call has to be on the same thread |
| 22:09.29 | itsnotabigtruck | you can have other threads, but they can't do the openglstuff |
| 22:10.09 | Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, I understand! |
| 22:10.15 | Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, thanks for explaining :) |
| 22:10.32 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck: you're talking about using the same context in multiple threads I guess |
| 22:10.43 | faenil | while I want to use different shared context in multiple threads |
| 22:10.45 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: right...so you want to have a 2nd context then? |
| 22:10.47 | itsnotabigtruck | ah |
| 22:10.49 | faenil | yep |
| 22:10.58 | itsnotabigtruck | you might kill any performance advantage you had by doing that... |
| 22:11.07 | faenil | you think? |
| 22:11.21 | faenil | wait let me explain |
| 22:11.27 | itsnotabigtruck | not sure, but i thought dumping out a pixbuf on one context and loading it in as a texture in the other context is expensive |
| 22:11.28 | faenil | I don't need the second context to draw ;) |
| 22:11.30 | itsnotabigtruck | compared to using an FBO |
| 22:11.41 | itsnotabigtruck | and the GPU can only do one op at a time anyway |
| 22:11.57 | faenil | I need the second shared context to load the new 3d model without blocking the UI in the menawhile |
| 22:12.04 | itsnotabigtruck | ah |
| 22:12.14 | itsnotabigtruck | but don't you have to use the same context? |
| 22:12.34 | faenil | "ideally" |
| 22:12.42 | faenil | but as you said, you can't do multithreading on the same context |
| 22:12.59 | itsnotabigtruck | ah, that's the shared part |
| 22:13.05 | faenil | exactly :) |
| 22:14.01 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.khronos.org/opengles/sdk/1.1/docs/man/eglCreateContext.xml |
| 22:14.22 | itsnotabigtruck | looks like you can go and pass in the context for sharing textures |
| 22:14.25 | faenil | yeah I know |
| 22:14.28 | itsnotabigtruck | (textures only, not VBOs?) |
| 22:14.37 | faenil | mmm don't know about that actually |
| 22:14.44 | itsnotabigtruck | ah, it probably doesn't mention VBOs because it's a gles1.1topic |
| 22:14.52 | itsnotabigtruck | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/egl/eglCreateContext.html here's the nokia page for it |
| 22:15.03 | faenil | yeah probably |
| 22:15.06 | faenil | anyway |
| 22:15.12 | faenil | QGLContext has create(sharedContext) |
| 22:15.33 | faenil | so I'll just go for that + makeCurrent |
| 22:15.40 | Venemo | anyway, importing from my .vcf files are underway :P |
| 22:15.41 | faenil | + QtConcurrent::run |
| 22:15.49 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: ok, awesome |
| 22:15.53 | faenil | :) |
| 22:15.57 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: while you're waiting, go make an S/MIME certificate :p |
| 22:16.04 | faenil | ahha :D |
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| 22:16.33 | Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, aww, I'm too lazy |
| 22:16.59 | Venemo | itsnotabigtruck, but I'll keep this in mind when I'll do something bad and email someone about it |
| 22:17.12 | itsnotabigtruck | the comodo one has you enter a name, your e-mail address, and click the button >_> |
| 22:17.24 | itsnotabigtruck | then you check for a confirmation e-mail |
| 22:17.24 | Venemo | comodo=? |
| 22:17.37 | itsnotabigtruck | a certificate authority (links your e-mail address to your encryption key) |
| 22:17.49 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.comodo.com/home/email-security/free-email-certificate.php < that |
| 22:18.03 | itsnotabigtruck | (it's not really a "download" even though it says that) |
| 22:18.28 | itsnotabigtruck | you have to sign up using firefox or internet explorer |
| 22:18.59 | itsnotabigtruck | chrome and opera have trouble with the process |
| 22:19.35 | faenil | I have just done mine with TC |
| 22:19.36 | faenil | :) |
| 22:20.30 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: cool, so once you have the certificate loaded in your browser, then you have to export it to a file, then import it back into your e-mail program |
| 22:20.32 | faenil | did mine with Chrome, fyi :) |
| 22:20.39 | itsnotabigtruck | if you use MSIE and outlook then you're already set, however |
| 22:20.59 | faenil | wait, can't I set it to gmail? XD |
| 22:21.17 | itsnotabigtruck | crap...i probably should have mentioned you can't encrypt with webmail sites |
| 22:21.22 | itsnotabigtruck | you can use gmail, but not from gmail.com |
| 22:21.36 | faenil | crap :D |
| 22:21.38 | itsnotabigtruck | it has to be thunderbird/evolution/outlook/ms windows live mail |
| 22:21.48 | faenil | why no webmail clients? |
| 22:21.50 | itsnotabigtruck | or a few others |
| 22:22.09 | itsnotabigtruck | because you can't access the private key from javascript to do the decryption |
| 22:22.33 | faenil | I see.. |
| 22:22.56 | beford | there was a ff extension for that though |
| 22:23.09 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, it's called penango, there's a free personal version |
| 22:23.12 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure if it's any good though |
| 22:23.15 | faenil | about extensions |
| 22:23.21 | faenil | HTTPS Everywhere |
| 22:23.27 | faenil | download that if you're using chrome :) |
| 22:23.34 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: there's a chrome version now? |
| 22:23.39 | faenil | suggested by Anonymous XD |
| 22:23.48 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck: I'm using it :) |
| 22:23.49 | Venemo | what? who the hell would want to use chrome by their own free will? |
| 22:24.03 | beford | chromium ftw |
| 22:24.03 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: lol...it's actually pretty good |
| 22:24.05 | Venemo | it's the crappiest browser ever |
| 22:24.08 | faenil | Venemo: me, coz it's 100000000% lighter and faster than everything else |
| 22:24.18 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm using FF right now but i'm getting really tired of the random lockups and hangs and whatnot |
| 22:24.26 | itsnotabigtruck | a lot of it's extension related, but FF is terrible without extensions |
| 22:24.30 | faenil | everytime I fire up firefox or IE I just keep noticing how slow they are |
| 22:24.39 | Venemo | FF works pretty well from me ever since 3.6 |
| 22:24.51 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: 4.0 was pretty good for me, and it's gotten continually worse since then |
| 22:24.59 | Venemo | chrome claims to be a "modern" web browser but it fails to render my stuff properly |
| 22:25.03 | itsnotabigtruck | meanwhile mozilla is focusing on bs statistics instead of fixing bugs |
| 22:25.19 | faenil | Venemo: like what? |
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| 22:25.26 | beford | it probably fails on any webkit browser then |
| 22:25.35 | Venemo | beford, indeed, because webkit is crap |
| 22:25.35 | faenil | exactly |
| 22:26.04 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, faenil: so option a) is to start using thunderbird (or some other e-mail client) and set it to access your gmail through IMAP |
| 22:26.08 | itsnotabigtruck | option b) is to give up |
| 22:26.13 | Venemo | eg. http://puzzle-master.colorful.hu is the most primitive site you can ever make. the panel with the N9 has a f*cking scrollbar in it in Chrome.... FF renders it properly. |
| 22:26.21 | faenil | thuderbird doesn't even have threaded emails :O |
| 22:26.24 | Venemo | there is no logical explanation why Chrome should put a scrollbar in there |
| 22:26.27 | itsnotabigtruck | option c) is to use that firefox extension, though i don't know whether to trust it |
| 22:26.37 | itsnotabigtruck | but that also requires using firefox |
| 22:27.01 | itsnotabigtruck | Venemo: i think there's a css for that |
| 22:27.13 | faenil | any good linux email client with threaded emails? |
| 22:27.14 | itsnotabigtruck | overflow: i think? |
| 22:27.30 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: kdeor gnome |
| 22:27.35 | faenil | gnome |
| 22:27.43 | beford | it still looks nice though :P |
| 22:27.49 | faenil | I was so disappointed when I tried thunderbird |
| 22:28.01 | faenil | web gmail's UX is way superior |
| 22:28.35 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: it looks like evolution has 'threaded message sort' that might do what you want |
| 22:28.42 | faenil | and I'm too used to its mechanics |
| 22:28.57 | faenil | I'll give it a look :) |
| 22:29.18 | itsnotabigtruck | it looks like evolution went to version 3.0 with gnome 3.0, maybe they changed a bunch of things |
| 22:29.44 | Venemo | evolution 3.0 is not bad, just suffers from some minor issues |
| 22:30.37 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: anyway, so you registered with chromium? |
| 22:30.43 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure if evolution uses the NSS shared DB |
| 22:30.52 | itsnotabigtruck | if not, you might have to do some command-line mucking about to transfer your key and certificate |
| 22:31.01 | itsnotabigtruck | chromium doesn't have a certificate gui |
| 22:31.25 | itsnotabigtruck | that's why using firefox to register is advisable :p |
| 22:31.33 | Venemo | ok, my N950 is syncing my stuff with hotmail via MfE |
| 22:31.35 | Venemo | :) |
| 22:31.58 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: get the NSS tools installed (on debian/etc. they're libnss3-tools iirc) |
| 22:32.00 | Venemo | contacts added 240, deleted 177... let's hope that the phone numbers stay :P |
| 22:32.27 | Venemo | aaaaand... WIN! |
| 22:33.23 | itsnotabigtruck | uh oh |
| 22:33.27 | Venemo | however, the numbers still don't appear on the web interface |
| 22:33.29 | Venemo | :( |
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| 22:33.46 | Venemo | oh, yes they do, I'll just need to merge them |
| 22:33.47 | Venemo | OMG |
| 22:33.54 | Venemo | but it's better than nothing :P |
| 22:34.24 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: ok, so this is kinda uncharted waters here - it looks like what you need to do is fire up evolution and check if it already has your certificate |
| 22:34.42 | itsnotabigtruck | if not, then you use pk12util to get your certificate out of chromium |
| 22:34.48 | itsnotabigtruck | then import it into evolution through the gui |
| 22:34.51 | faenil | itsnotabigtruck : wait, what was that thing about certificate GUI? |
| 22:35.09 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: chromium doesn't have any GUI for getting certificates in and out |
| 22:35.21 | itsnotabigtruck | so if you successfully finished the tc trustcenter registration process in chromium |
| 22:35.52 | itsnotabigtruck | then you have your private key and certificate stuck in a hidden folder that can only be accessed with some command line utils |
| 22:36.04 | Venemo | ok, it's nice that every problem has a solution :) |
| 22:36.21 | faenil | oh ok |
| 22:36.28 | itsnotabigtruck | however, if you haven't actually logged into the tc trustcenter website to generate your certificate |
| 22:36.33 | faenil | no the registration is not finished anyway |
| 22:36.35 | faenil | I'm waiting for the password |
| 22:36.37 | itsnotabigtruck | then just load up firefox and do it from there |
| 22:36.38 | itsnotabigtruck | ah ok |
| 22:36.42 | itsnotabigtruck | then i just fed you a bunch of info you didn't need |
| 22:36.53 | itsnotabigtruck | you'll be sent a password and a link, load the link in firefox |
| 22:37.14 | itsnotabigtruck | before you actually finish the process and generate a key, set a strong master password in firefox |
| 22:37.23 | faenil | :D |
| 22:38.09 | itsnotabigtruck | then, you go through the process, and you'll have a private key and a certificate in firefox |
| 22:38.20 | itsnotabigtruck | the step after that is to get them out of firefox...i can probably find a howto somewhere |
| 22:38.38 | itsnotabigtruck | http://www.hoylen.com/articles/it/email/security/firefox.html |
| 22:39.01 | faenil | nah don't worry I'm coding atm ;) |
| 22:39.04 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 22:39.06 | faenil | I'll probably do that tomorrow :) |
| 22:39.16 | faenil | anyway, still no password :) |
| 22:39.25 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah no prob, let me throw some instructions in a pastebin |
| 22:39.36 | faenil | oh ok they sent it via sms |
| 22:39.41 | faenil | that's why I was not getting it |
| 22:39.45 | faenil | but I'll still do it tomorrow :) |
| 22:39.53 | faenil | need to try some things with opengl :) |
| 22:40.06 | ZogG_lap1op | lol just paied attentiion that my nick is ZogG_laplop and not laptop |
| 22:40.19 | ZogG_lap1op | quit |
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| 22:41.11 | Venemo | heh |
| 22:43.18 | ZogG_laptop | night |
| 22:44.18 | itsnotabigtruck | faenil: https://gist.github.com/bccb2d74446dbfac91a8 |
| 22:44.46 | itsnotabigtruck | might want to set a master password in evolution before doing the import, i don't know if it has those |
| 22:45.15 | faenil | thx |
| 22:48.30 | itsnotabigtruck | btw frals: any chance you could check out that bug? [https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=295] |
| 22:48.34 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 295 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Missing S/MIME Support in nokia mail client |
| 22:48.46 | itsnotabigtruck | i guess something that complex doesn't have a chance this late in the development cycle, but /me shrugs |
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| 22:51.54 | itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: you could have just changed your nick :p |
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| 22:55.04 | jpwhiting | djszapi: around? |
| 23:02.10 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: both were online - irssi problem =) |
| 23:02.27 | itsnotabigtruck | ah |
| 23:06.05 | djszapi | jpwhiting: yep |
| 23:06.55 | jpwhiting | djszapi: I have a project I'm making in qt creator that needs to install stuff into /usr/lib and /usr/share |
| 23:07.05 | jpwhiting | any idea how I make that happen? |
| 23:07.24 | djszapi | I am not familiar with qmake, sorry. |
| 23:07.31 | djszapi | isn't there a prefix path like for cmake ? |
| 23:07.34 | jpwhiting | I have INSTALL targets for them in my pro file, and it works for desktop but not harmattan |
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| 23:08.22 | jpwhiting | I set target.path = /usr/lib/telepathy/ to install my cm there, but it puts it into /opt/projectname/bin instead :/ |
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| 23:08.44 | itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: if you were using scratchbox, you'd have your makefile install them to $DESTDIR/whatever |
| 23:08.44 | jpwhiting | I thought I had this working at one point |
| 23:10.30 | jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: ah, in the Makefile it installs to buildfolder/usr/lib/telepathy/ |
| 23:11.00 | jpwhiting | in the harmattan deployment config in qt creator I mapped some local file paths to remote directories |
| 23:11.08 | jpwhiting | checks what he did under Desktop |
| 23:11.29 | jpwhiting | ah, no deploy step for desktop |
| 23:13.03 | jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: so the Makefile does install into my build folder, but I thought the .deb it creates is supposed to install into / prefix |
| 23:14.28 | itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: tbh i have no idea what qt creator does...the normal build process involves a lot of magic that culminates in building and installing it with a prefix that points into a subdirectory |
| 23:14.52 | itsnotabigtruck | then it takes what went into the subdirectory and builds it together with the debian control files into a deb |
| 23:15.21 | itsnotabigtruck | but i think qt creator might be operating very differently |
| 23:15.36 | jpwhiting | well, it seems to be doing that also from what I see |
| 23:16.04 | jpwhiting | it builds the sources into a debug folder, then puts debian stuff under a debian subfolder of that |
| 23:16.41 | itsnotabigtruck | but it doesn't use the regular debian tools, right? |
| 23:16.49 | jpwhiting | yeah, it does |
| 23:16.51 | jpwhiting | with mad |
| 23:16.54 | itsnotabigtruck | normally you use dpkg-buildpackage |
| 23:17.01 | itsnotabigtruck | it sounds like it's using it's own built-in builder |
| 23:17.04 | jpwhiting | there's a harmattan sysroot it installs under QtSDK |
| 23:17.06 | itsnotabigtruck | then assembling it into a package |
| 23:17.17 | itsnotabigtruck | which is an extra step for it to go wrong from |
| 23:17.19 | jpwhiting | it executes mad dpkg-buildpackage -uc -un -us or somesuch |
| 23:17.39 | itsnotabigtruck | oh ok |
| 23:17.46 | itsnotabigtruck | then...that's very weird |
| 23:19.07 | jpwhiting | ah, the stuff it's putting under /opt/projectname is old, it seems the only thing it's creating in the .deb is documentation :/ |
| 23:19.26 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 23:20.16 | jpwhiting | heh |