| 00:00.12 | itsnotabigtruck | well, they think, then they end up paying 80% to contractors |
| 00:00.50 | ieatlint | well, clearly the answer is to vote ron paul |
| 00:01.03 | itsnotabigtruck | or sometimes the goal is to avoid having to fund roads at all, so they privatize them |
| 00:01.15 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't think that's actually happened much yet, but there's been a decent amount of talk about it |
| 00:01.25 | itsnotabigtruck | privately funded roa development in favor of 100% of the tolls |
| 00:01.46 | itsnotabigtruck | pretty sure voting ron paul isn't the answer to that one :p |
| 00:02.23 | ieatlint | what part of the US are you in? |
| 00:02.39 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm from oregon, so i'm used to not having tolls |
| 00:02.48 | itsnotabigtruck | or sales tax :D |
| 00:03.40 | ieatlint | oregon has good beer |
| 00:04.13 | itsnotabigtruck | so i hear |
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| 00:37.27 | itsnotabigtruck | so...is anyone daring enough to try loading the pr1.2beta rootfs onto their N9 |
| 00:52.35 | ieatlint | i'm too wussy, could easily see it brick the phone |
| 00:55.51 | ajalkane | hmm... I can try it on my Lumia if you provide instructions. It's practically a brick anyway already. |
| 00:56.08 | ieatlint | hah |
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| 01:42.02 | Milhouse | maybe it's just me, but is anyone getting twitter tweets appearing in their feed view? |
| 01:42.12 | Milhouse | i'm not... :( |
| 01:42.42 | npm | um, what's the default PR1.2 root/user password?? (i tried the usual r..tm. |
| 01:42.44 | npm | etc |
| 01:42.51 | Milhouse | rootme |
| 01:42.57 | npm | yeah didn't work |
| 01:43.22 | Milhouse | no user password - user account is locked. unlock it with passwd -u user, then set a password if you want it to have one (better to use certificate authentication) |
| 01:43.29 | Milhouse | you can't ssh in as root since pr1.1 |
| 01:44.08 | npm | ah thanks, i'm a version skipper :-) |
| 01:44.19 | npm | actually i'm a two-version skipper :-) |
| 01:44.40 | Milhouse | aha... in that case you need to log in as user, then devel-su etc. |
| 01:45.13 | npm | what's user login |
| 01:45.15 | npm | i mean pw |
| 01:45.18 | Milhouse | see above |
| 01:45.21 | Milhouse | there ain't one |
| 01:45.23 | npm | weird |
| 01:45.26 | npm | didn't work |
| 01:51.42 | Milhouse | npm - do you have tweets appearing in your Feed view? |
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| 01:52.58 | npm | ok i'm in... my usb network magickally reset itself and i was sshing to myself. |
| 01:53.09 | npm | yeah tweets, facebook, the works |
| 01:53.29 | npm | "/home/developer $ " |
| 01:53.55 | Milhouse | bugger... thanks. maybe i need to delete my twitter account and re-add |
| 01:54.07 | Milhouse | works fine in the twitter app, nothing appearing in the Feed view |
| 01:55.39 | npm | i started from scratch other than importing from n900 |
| 01:55.47 | npm | (contacts etc) |
| 01:57.36 | npm | despite a hungry n950 that needs feeding via ssh, i must go to dinner :-( |
| 01:57.46 | npm | later.. |
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| 02:18.07 | Milhouse | hurrah.... haz twitter in feed view! Had to delete my Twitter account, and re-add it. Tweets appeared during next scheduled automatic update. Phew... |
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| 05:29.36 | vladest | flashed pr1.2 and now sim card is rejected and no way to install debug package. any1 aware about how to fix this? |
| 05:30.12 | RST38h | yeah, gdb no longer installs |
| 05:30.28 | RST38h | apt-get install fromthe ovi store does not appear to work either |
| 05:39.29 | vladest | what about sim card? |
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| 06:12.22 | ieatlint | has anyone installed pr1.2 without erasing the emmc first and had any issues? |
| 06:14.22 | ieatlint | am trying it now, shall see |
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| 06:28.13 | mece | o/ |
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| 07:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | damn, updating a HARM device is even more scary than flashing BIOS on pre-2000 mainboards where BIOS flashrom is soldered |
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| 07:28.26 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: Welcome to the club.... ;-) |
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| 07:33.32 | ArkanoiD_ | turning virtual keyboard on and off now almost certainly damages terminal so it gets shrinked to 5 lines of text |
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| 07:44.41 | DocScrutinizer | feels happy not to use this device as a phone^W^W^W on the go on a regular basis |
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| 07:48.14 | ieatlint | i haven't had issues flashing my devices thankfully |
| 07:50.50 | ieatlint | oooh, nice new feature of pr1.2... in the browser, if you open a second page in a new window, and then close that page, it goes back to the original page instead of the task switcher |
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| 07:53.12 | leinir | Hmmmm... that's the sort of thing those devs should be putting up on the wiki as a howto :) |
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| 07:53.19 | leinir | They're not the only people who need to be able to do that ;) |
| 07:54.06 | ieatlint | the drive app has a LOT of new features too |
| 07:54.15 | ieatlint | much more useful (eg, things like avoid toll roads) |
| 07:55.12 | RST38h | Moo all |
| 07:55.28 | RST38h | So, is there a crowd-sourced list of PR1.2 changes somewhere? |
| 07:55.32 | ArkanoiD_ | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=245 damn it sucks :-( |
| 07:55.37 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 245 maj, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, REOP, CPU 100% tracker contacts merge |
| 07:55.51 | ieatlint | street names support in the voice navigation too |
| 07:55.58 | ArkanoiD_ | the whole idea of using tracker for everything was totally insane |
| 07:56.18 | ArkanoiD_ | unlike sqlite you cannot even diagnose and repair it if it gets screwed |
| 07:56.43 | leinir | ieatlint: Oooh... now /that/ is impressive :) so you're saying, it's now on par with tomtom's iOS app? ;) |
| 07:58.56 | ieatlint | no |
| 07:59.02 | ieatlint | i'm saying it's more functional |
| 07:59.15 | ieatlint | but i am not making comparisons, or specifically stating it is functional |
| 07:59.33 | leinir | *giggles* :) |
| 08:00.06 | ieatlint | definitely huge usability improvements in pr1.2 |
| 08:00.12 | ieatlint | camera also has a lot of nice updates |
| 08:03.10 | ArkanoiD_ | and we still cannot merge contactos properly :-/ |
| 08:03.39 | djszapi | maybe in pr1.8 |
| 08:04.30 | ieatlint | i solved that by just storing all my contacts in google, and resolved dupes there |
| 08:05.17 | djszapi | anybody got the flashing work on Linux? |
| 08:05.28 | ArkanoiD_ | iealint i did the same, until it borked |
| 08:05.49 | ieatlint | works for me on 2 devices |
| 08:06.09 | ieatlint | djszapi: flashed mine in linux, but i didn't use the ocf script |
| 08:06.12 | ArkanoiD_ | djszapi, me. just disable stupid cdc_phonet (or whatever it is called) module |
| 08:06.20 | leinir | Hum, can't say i've had problems - what's the issue with contacts? |
| 08:06.46 | djszapi | ArkanoiD_: I tried that, but it did not help. :/ |
| 08:06.58 | ArkanoiD_ | leinir, when i try to merge contact with another one which is actually online service contact, everything gets fscked up |
| 08:07.09 | djszapi | it might be that I already have higher than PR1.2 :D |
| 08:07.25 | ArkanoiD_ | djszapi, likely. |
| 08:07.36 | ArkanoiD_ | it explicitly says you cannot downgrade |
| 08:07.39 | leinir | Hmmm... i've done that a lot, hasn't borked here... but surely, now that i'm aware some people have problems, i won't likely be able to get it to work again ;) |
| 08:07.58 | djszapi | ArkanoiD_: I can, but that is gonna remain my secret :P |
| 08:08.39 | ieatlint | heh |
| 08:08.59 | ArkanoiD_ | (i think coldflashing should help in most cases) |
| 08:09.11 | djszapi | tried that as well for sure. |
| 08:09.22 | djszapi | I tried all the steps I was recommending to others precedingly. :p |
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| 08:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | leinir: it seems a rather simple thing to do, e.g. settings is using it all the time, when you "go back" (bottom left "key") |
| 08:17.37 | leinir | DocScrutinizer: Aah yes, of course, i forgot they're separate windows too :) Would be good to have it documented somewhere anyway (if it isn't already, must confess i've not really looked) |
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| 08:19.50 | djszapi | heh, the Audio mobility element keeps making my application crash :D |
| 08:20.00 | djszapi | (in a random mood) |
| 08:26.39 | ArkanoiD_ | tried map in 1.2 |
| 08:28.09 | ArkanoiD_ | still sucks big time. still directs you to 4-ya Tverskaya-Yamskaya street when you search for Tverskaya, 4 |
| 08:28.33 | ArkanoiD_ | such little details render the whole thing almost unusable :-/ |
| 08:28.36 | djszapi | is there anything you like ? |
| 08:29.03 | djszapi | (about the updates) |
| 08:29.47 | ArkanoiD_ | Not using it long enough to notice any positive difference :-( |
| 08:31.37 | ieatlint | well, importantly it does a decent job finding addresses in the US, a clear target country |
| 08:32.29 | djszapi | interestingly enough they did not mention security fixes too much ... |
| 08:37.08 | ArkanoiD_ | ieatlint, ah, great. despite the fact n9 is not officially sold in US |
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| 08:45.12 | RST38h | checks 4 Tverskaya Yamskaya |
| 08:46.34 | RST38h | djszapi: No wonder, as they have broken Ovi Store packages installation with apt-get (that is also why restoring apps from backup fails BTW) |
| 08:46.44 | RST38h | So, yeaaah, the "security fixes" are there all right |
| 08:47.15 | RST38h | Also, Filemanager package does not install on PR1.2, due to some Aegis error |
| 08:47.19 | djszapi | what do you mean ? |
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| 08:49.52 | RST38h | Arkanoid: I think it wants you to go to the International Kennel Union =) |
| 08:50.04 | khertan_ | Morning |
| 08:50.20 | RST38h | djszapi: choose a random free Ovi Store package aaa and do apt-get install aaa from xterm |
| 08:52.22 | ArkanoiD_ | and now after restore i have phantom app that shows calendar events on the feed screen |
| 08:52.38 | ArkanoiD_ | it does not exist in dpkg -l but it is there and working |
| 08:52.42 | RST38h | there is a third party app for that |
| 08:52.49 | RST38h | I have it installed btw |
| 08:53.12 | djszapi | RST38h: I do not have the package from OVI, and I do not plan to grab it from some tmp diretory either for now :) |
| 08:53.20 | djszapi | why would I do that usually, btw ? :) |
| 08:53.21 | ArkanoiD_ | i know, i had it installed before but now i found a new one and cannot uninstall the older one because system does not think it exists |
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| 08:55.07 | RST38h | ArkanoiD: Uninstallable from Manage Applications, afaik |
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| 08:55.14 | RST38h | No big deal |
| 08:55.41 | ArkanoiD_ | no, it is not there either |
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| 08:55.53 | RST38h | And you have probably forgotten the package name, that is why you "can't find" it with dpkg -l |
| 08:56.14 | ArkanoiD_ | could be so obscure it does not grep |
| 08:56.53 | RST38h | yeah, more or less - had this problem many times |
| 09:00.49 | RST38h | Meanwhile, KDE 4.8 is out, and looks like it is the only remaining option for someone using computer professionally |
| 09:01.11 | RST38h | (if we discount Xfce/Lxde/TWM/etc for a second) |
| 09:01.13 | khertan_ | RST38h, gnome 3.2 |
| 09:01.29 | khertan_ | RST38h, troller ! |
| 09:01.50 | RST38h | khertan: GNOME folks can stick their media center project up their collective backside. |
| 09:02.06 | RST38h | This is not how I use my PC. |
| 09:02.07 | djszapi | RST38h: do you like KDE4.8 ? Have not installed the release yet, just from master at some point. |
| 09:02.25 | djszapi | it is already in arch testing though. |
| 09:02.29 | RST38h | djszapi: I do not know. Hated previous incarnations (too ugly, generally, uglier than GNOME2) |
| 09:02.31 | khertan_ | RST38h, we are talking of the desktop ? wtf ? where did you see a media center ? |
| 09:02.48 | RST38h | djszapi: But with GNOME gone off the deep end, KDE looks like this only remaining alternative |
| 09:02.57 | khertan_ | RST38h, fud |
| 09:03.12 | djszapi | RST38h: have been using ratpoison for six years or so :p |
| 09:03.22 | djszapi | I liked KDE until plasma :) |
| 09:03.34 | djszapi | but this new plasma is cool imho. |
| 09:03.35 | RST38h | khertan: Sorry, but I did not see any desktop there. What I have seen is Maemo4 UI expanded to PC screen |
| 09:03.52 | khertan_ | RST38h, so open your eyes |
| 09:03.53 | khertan_ | :) |
| 09:03.55 | RST38h | khertan; I am not ready to use Maemo4 UI on a PC |
| 09:04.06 | khertan_ | RST38h, it s a configurable ui |
| 09:04.14 | RST38h | khertan: Opened my eyes, even visited a loo before that, to avoid accidents |
| 09:04.19 | khertan_ | you have a maemo4 ui if you put one |
| 09:04.35 | RST38h | Not configurable in any way I could find. Most settings are gone. |
| 09:04.45 | khertan_ | RST38h, like saying kde suck ... by default ... there isn't any widget on plasma |
| 09:05.02 | khertan_ | RST38h, settings aren't gone, there was in the beta 3.0 |
| 09:05.06 | khertan_ | not in 3.2 |
| 09:05.13 | RST38h | does not say KDE or GNOME sucks. He says GNOME3 is unusable for day to day professional work. |
| 09:05.29 | djszapi | though, it is cool for tablet. |
| 09:05.35 | RST38h | No opinion on KDE 4.x yet, have not tried. Had to switch to Xfce. |
| 09:05.49 | khertan_ | RST38h, same, i use it everyday for professional use, and i found it better than kde |
| 09:05.55 | RST38h | djszapi: Any people with PC tablets, using them as their primary computers? |
| 09:06.10 | RST38h | To, you know, *work*? |
| 09:06.11 | djszapi | have not really said that. |
| 09:06.23 | RST38h | Then whom is GNOME3 addressing, anyway? |
| 09:06.33 | khertan_ | but maybe like stallman say it, the fact that we have such design today in the linux world is maybe due to the fact that project leader are getting old and need to wear glasses |
| 09:06.41 | khertan_ | s/it/ |
| 09:07.08 | khertan_ | RST38h, did n't have tablet :) |
| 09:07.19 | khertan_ | RST38h, gnome3 is perfect for me |
| 09:07.38 | khertan_ | i like it, far better than gnome2 or kde4.x |
| 09:07.43 | RST38h | Oh well |
| 09:07.44 | khertan_ | (better for me) |
| 09:07.58 | khertan_ | it s matter of preferences |
| 09:08.19 | khertan_ | but i cann't let you said that it s not a professionnal env |
| 09:08.24 | RST38h | isn't sure liking GNOME3 is a matter of preference, although GNOME2 vs KDE definitely was that |
| 09:09.20 | jreznik | hey, we're building enterprise desktop on top of gnome 3 :) |
| 09:09.39 | khertan_ | RST38h, personnally while i like Qt, i found that KDE is a bunch of unorganized mess |
| 09:10.15 | alterego | I've always thought that, though I've not used KDE in a long time now. |
| 09:10.38 | khertan_ | alterego, i ve try kde4 and plasma, i ven't understand the concept |
| 09:10.48 | khertan_ | and didn't see anything innovative |
| 09:11.02 | khertan_ | maybe it s , but i ven't see |
| 09:11.05 | RST38h | jreznik: should buy your user support people a lot of antidepressants |
| 09:11.15 | khertan_ | RST38h, fud |
| 09:11.27 | RST38h | jreznik: on fact, for the userbase as well |
| 09:11.47 | RST38h | khertan: Look, I am not considering this a GNOME vs KDE race |
| 09:11.51 | jreznik | khertan_: all activities etc. started make sense now with plasma active |
| 09:12.09 | khertan_ | RST38h, https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
| 09:12.15 | RST38h | khertan: And I *do not want* anything "innovative". Just want my desktop to work and let me do my job. |
| 09:12.30 | khertan_ | RST38h, yep this is the problem i ve with kde |
| 09:12.47 | jreznik | I do not use activities on desktop but when I tried it on active, I really miss them on harmattan :) |
| 09:12.52 | khertan_ | RST38h, bling bling ... whoa effect ... but didn't let do my job |
| 09:13.06 | RST38h | khertan: Instead, GNOME3 offers me what looks like a media center, with most configuration options gone, and some parts of the desktop intermittently crashing (yes, I mean the file manager) |
| 09:13.13 | khertan_ | jreznik, did n't see a use for it |
| 09:13.22 | khertan_ | RST38h, didn't have such problem |
| 09:13.27 | khertan_ | RST38h, use a real distro |
| 09:13.28 | khertan_ | :) |
| 09:13.39 | RST38h | khertan: I am using a real distro, Ubuntu 11 |
| 09:13.54 | RST38h | khertan: With the GNOME3 that comes with it, packaged and adapted. |
| 09:14.14 | khertan_ | RST38h, it s not a distro ... it s a giant alpha tests managed by monkeys |
| 09:14.18 | RST38h | And before you ask, Unity is exactly the same garbage pile as GNOME3, just as "innovative" and this unusable |
| 09:14.27 | Hq` | unfortunately the trend seems to be that everything is going for improved tablet/netbook usability at the expense of traditional desktop usage... |
| 09:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | buntkuh, a real distro... *cough* |
| 09:14.32 | khertan_ | RST38h, no ... unity is really unusable |
| 09:14.37 | khertan_ | but it s another story |
| 09:14.51 | RST38h | khertan: Once I switched to Xfce, no crashes. Should I blame Canonical for that? |
| 09:15.12 | khertan_ | RST38h, yeah ... they included untested package |
| 09:15.42 | RST38h | Not just "included", Khertan. They *integrated* untested *desktop environment*, this is what you are trying to say? |
| 09:15.53 | khertan_ | patch most of the time thing the worst way thing just to made it |
| 09:16.08 | RST38h | Why did this suddenly happen with GNOME3? (GNOME2 worked like a charm) |
| 09:16.24 | khertan_ | RST38h, it s not just desktop it s the whole unbuntu style |
| 09:16.33 | RST38h | Never noticed it, Khertan |
| 09:16.52 | RST38h | Ubuntu always "just worked" for me. Until Unity and Gnome3 |
| 09:17.06 | khertan_ | you were lucky :) |
| 09:17.12 | RST38h | So, I am not inclined to blame the whole Canonical team. |
| 09:17.12 | Hq` | I have to agree :P |
| 09:17.24 | RST38h | Just parts of it. |
| 09:17.52 | Hq` | unity as a default ux... totally braindead |
| 09:18.14 | Hq` | horrible usability on desktop and also buggy as hell |
| 09:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | just thought if the analogy might fit: ubuntu is to desktop linux what HARM is to maemo |
| 09:19.05 | khertan_ | ubuntu is to desktop linux what Tizen is to MeeGo |
| 09:19.17 | khertan_ | it ll kill it |
| 09:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | or that :-D |
| 09:19.38 | khertan_ | not because it s better, just more money |
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| 09:23.00 | RST38h | Doc: Dunno, it works. It is certainly cleaner than Redhat, too |
| 09:23.29 | RST38h | Doc: Yes, it feels like Windows, but this is not always a bad thing. |
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| 09:23.59 | pawky | ehh... of what use is tcpdump if you do not have any rights to use any interfaces? |
| 09:25.45 | RST38h | pawky: It is there as an invitation to hack Aegis. |
| 09:26.31 | pawky | but its provided by nokia... why do they give you the opportunity to download something not working? |
| 09:27.23 | RST38h | sighs: why do you even still have to ask? |
| 09:27.49 | pawky | because, I believe I did get it to work, earlier... so it must work somehow... |
| 09:29.37 | pawky | I have a hard time believing Nokia put in something THAT useless (except for Aegis, that is). So my wonders is, what where they supposing one should use tcpdump for on the unit? |
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| 09:36.02 | khertan_ | pawky: why the n9, and continue supporting the os ? as anyway they ll drop it for that crappy Wp ? |
| 09:36.29 | alterego | Ubuntu VMs in Ubuntu work suprisingly well. |
| 09:36.33 | khertan_ | pawky: probably different team ? side effect ? |
| 09:41.28 | alterego | pawky: we use it in R&D sometimes, and as it's FOSS I think it's part of the SDK repo? |
| 09:52.38 | pawky | alterego: then how do you get it to work then? I need it to see why the SMTP suddenly creates a garbeled connection... |
| 09:53.18 | pawky | khertan: Why the N9? Well... because it's linux... why else? |
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| 10:01.01 | alterego | pawky: it might work on some peoples' N9s ;) |
| 10:01.08 | alterego | Probably not yours though :) |
| 10:05.22 | Khertan | pawky i didn't mean why n9 is your choice :) but why nokia still update his soft |
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| 10:12.46 | ZogG_lap1op | Khertan: sup buddy |
| 10:12.56 | ZogG_lap1op | thp: ping |
| 10:14.27 | ZogG_lap1op | X-Fade: ping |
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| 10:18.02 | vladest | flashed pr1.2 and now sim card is rejected and no way to install debug package. any1 aware about how to fix this? |
| 10:19.40 | mja | awesome, SIP contacts no longer disappear from contacts |
| 10:20.35 | ZogG_lap1op | mja: i like that reaction |
| 10:20.51 | ZogG_lap1op | when you actually happy when something works as it suppose to =) |
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| 10:32.36 | mja | ZogG_lap1op: one adapts to what one is given :) |
| 10:32.45 | mja | such is life |
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| 10:36.02 | artemma | Got tired with unstoppable twitter flood in your #N9 or #N950 event feed? Vote for buhttp://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=729 |
| 10:36.17 | artemma | discovered harmattan bugzilla :) |
| 10:36.58 | artemma | BTW, what's the proper name for lately released build? Is it N950 PR1.2 or N950 PR1.2 Beta? |
| 10:37.17 | ZogG_lap1op | 1.2b i assume |
| 10:37.36 | ZogG_lap1op | btw anyone here used system share within there app? |
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| 10:40.53 | tomma | system share? you mean sending files etc using share interface (bluetooth, nfc, mail)? |
| 10:41.58 | ZogG_lap1op | i mean the share plugin (that shows nfc, mms, twitter, and so on) |
| 10:42.08 | ZogG_lap1op | if i want to share link from my app for example |
| 10:43.12 | ZogG_lap1op | as well i would wonder how to add my own service there |
| 10:43.52 | tomma | https://projects.developer.nokia.com/cuteexplorer/browser/src/core.cpp#L235 |
| 10:45.08 | tomma | not sure how links etc works... could be you need make some DataItems from them |
| 10:45.39 | tomma | and to add service you need to make plugin and i think sources of that shareinterface has some examples |
| 10:46.14 | tomma | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-sharing-framework/share-ui/trees/master |
| 10:56.51 | ZogG_lap1op | tomma: thanx |
| 10:57.29 | ZogG_lap1op | tomma: but i think first example is not for me |
| 10:57.59 | ZogG_lap1op | actually my app is for sharing image to image service, i just wanted to use sharing plugin to post links, that's it =) |
| 11:06.30 | matrixx | artemma: you're missinterpreted that feature, it doesn't mean it filters your event feed |
| 11:06.48 | artemma | matrixx: I just got same reply in bugzilla :) |
| 11:06.52 | matrixx | artemma: it means that contact card would show latest tweet from user |
| 11:06.56 | artemma | need to work on my English probably |
| 11:06.56 | matrixx | artemma: hehe, ok :) |
| 11:07.56 | rantom | Since the front facing camera should be usable now, according to the changelog, how does one enable it? I'm guessing that it'd be done via another application, e.g. Skype, but not in Camera? |
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| 11:13.19 | artemma | matrixx: hey, how do you link phonebook contact to twitter? :/ |
| 11:13.47 | artemma | I mean it's cool to see twitter updates of ppl right in phonebook, butI can't figure how device knows which contact is which twitter handle |
| 11:14.14 | matrixx | artemma: probably compares name |
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| 11:17.28 | radiofree | rantom: the front camera has always worked... |
| 11:17.30 | artemma | quite naive.. |
| 11:17.42 | radiofree | in gstreamer if you use the subdevsrc with a camera-device=1 |
| 11:17.51 | artemma | and I don't think I've ever seen a tweet in the contact card (facebook works fine) |
| 11:18.55 | rantom | radiofree: Yes, but I meant can a regular user still access it without e.g. Skype, if even that support it? |
| 11:19.09 | radiofree | no skype video support |
| 11:19.17 | rantom | Without Terminal |
| 11:19.53 | radiofree | i don't think it's possible in the camera app, but if you want to make an app then it's perfectly accessible to you |
| 11:20.36 | rantom | ok |
| 11:22.50 | radiofree | rantom: you'll need to aegis is correctly though, GRP::video i think |
| 11:24.16 | rantom | radiofree: Ok. I was just confused what Nokia meant with this: "Front camera support" from: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950/Nokia_N950_PR12_Release_Notes_v02-6_en.html |
| 11:26.14 | radiofree | rantom: maybe it's been exposed more easily in some api |
| 11:26.35 | rantom | Ah, ok |
| 11:26.43 | rantom | So the same as I thought |
| 11:27.14 | radiofree | something like gst-launch-0.10 -m subdevsrc camera-device=1 ! xvimagesink would have always worked |
| 11:27.25 | radiofree | but you'd have to fight with aegis with that command |
| 11:27.40 | rantom | Heh |
| 11:28.18 | petteri | at least with smartcam app you can use front cam on pr1.1 |
| 11:28.34 | rantom | Yeah |
| 11:28.46 | rantom | Still waiting for Nokia to enable using it from Camera directly |
| 11:28.54 | rantom | Not a priority thought to me |
| 11:29.23 | rantom | Though I'd be more interested to see CardDAV supported being implemented |
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| 11:34.11 | Coke | I'm trying to enter developer mode, but it just says "Installation interrupted" and gives me the option to "Try again" or "Cancel" |
| 11:34.30 | djszapi | Coke: try again later (in 1-2 hours). |
| 11:34.46 | Coke | djszapi: it has ALWAYS been like that. |
| 11:34.56 | Coke | djszapi: tried a few weeks ago, was like that |
| 11:35.12 | djszapi | I have not said few weeks, when the issue can reappear. I said for 1-2 hours. |
| 11:36.32 | Coke | djszapi: how come? |
| 11:36.37 | Coke | is the site down? |
| 11:37.02 | djszapi | Yes, we had always issues temporarily with that. |
| 11:37.12 | djszapi | It might be another problem, but this can be one reason after all. |
| 11:37.34 | Coke | my phone is basically useless to me until I get a terminal |
| 11:37.51 | Coke | and when ever I've tried before (tried a dozen times) I get that error |
| 11:38.01 | djszapi | n9 or N950 ? |
| 11:38.17 | Coke | N9 |
| 11:38.21 | Coke | I _wish_ it was N950 |
| 11:38.24 | Coke | but I cant find those |
| 11:38.45 | djszapi | well, of course...that was a developer program thingie. |
| 11:38.53 | araujo | I got some similar errors yesterday with some applications upgrade, I just kept trying |
| 11:39.02 | Coke | araujo: did it work eventually? |
| 11:39.04 | araujo | yes |
| 11:39.57 | Coke | well ive tried a lot now |
| 11:40.07 | Coke | it's just not working. |
| 11:40.26 | djszapi | hard to play the magician roles without logs, too :) |
| 11:40.30 | Coke | unfortunately, I can't sell it because anybody fit to use the N9 rather wants the iphone |
| 11:40.56 | pawky | alterego: you might be right there, this is my third N9, and on this one it doesn't work. on one of the earlier ones it did... |
| 11:40.56 | Coke | djszapi: does this phone even have logs? I thought it was all about having Skype, Twitter and Facebook as part of the core packaging. |
| 11:41.19 | djszapi | Coke: no, you are out of the luck without developer mode since you do not have syslog, nor accessibility to that even if it was. |
| 11:41.47 | djszapi | and you cannot use jtag either |
| 11:42.06 | djszapi | Coke: which country are you in ? |
| 11:42.45 | Coke | sweden |
| 11:42.50 | Coke | im calling the store that sold it to me |
| 11:43.25 | Coke | to see if I can return it for moneys back. I'm not sure what sort ofwarranty nokia has |
| 11:43.31 | djszapi | Coke have you actually tried in different points, and not like a bunch attack in half an hour ? |
| 11:43.47 | Coke | djszapi: I've tried at least five different occations |
| 11:43.53 | djszapi | during a day ? |
| 11:43.55 | Coke | also, I dont want a phone that gives me that error _ever_ |
| 11:43.56 | djszapi | or in few weeks ? |
| 11:44.08 | Coke | djszapi: at least one day apart |
| 11:44.12 | Coke | it doesnt matter. |
| 11:44.16 | djszapi | you have 2 weeks (about) after the buying to return it if you do not like it. |
| 11:44.25 | Coke | I dont want a phone that requires me to "wait a few hours, go in a circle, smoke some weed and try again later" |
| 11:44.40 | djszapi | why not test these things after the buying ? |
| 11:44.46 | Coke | djszapi: it's been more than two weeks. it's been sitting in it's box |
| 11:44.53 | Coke | djszapi: I did test. |
| 11:45.39 | djszapi | you could not press the developer mode thingie in two weeks ? :) |
| 11:45.49 | djszapi | or did it work back then ? |
| 11:45.52 | Coke | I only tried 3-4 times |
| 11:45.56 | Coke | never worked |
| 11:46.20 | Coke | immediately when I realized that things like Twitter is a core package I thought to myself "this is a shitty OS compared to maemo 5" |
| 11:46.31 | Coke | in order to at least remove the icons I needed developer mode |
| 11:46.36 | Coke | that has never worked. |
| 11:46.47 | djszapi | have you tried with different internet connections ? |
| 11:46.51 | Coke | and thusly, I have continued to use the N900 in favour of the N9, only occationally trying to get the developer mode working |
| 11:47.04 | Coke | djszapi: two different. |
| 11:47.30 | Coke | but it doesnt matter, if it doesnt work with ALL wifi I dont want it. the htc, the iphone and the n900 all work fine over any wifi, why should I settle for less than that? |
| 11:47.31 | djszapi | wifi and 3g ? |
| 11:47.36 | pawky | Coke: It sounds like you might need to reflash your unit. Your problem happened on my first N9 as well. |
| 11:47.37 | Coke | i did not try with 3G |
| 11:48.08 | Coke | pawky: if at all possible I'll try to return it. |
| 11:48.21 | djszapi | I do not seriously understand how you was not able to try it out in two weeks. |
| 11:48.28 | djszapi | were not* |
| 11:48.30 | Coke | djszapi: I did try it out A LOT |
| 11:48.31 | pawky | Coke: But when listening to your arguments regarding what you think about the OS, I will highly recommend you to return your phone to the dealer. |
| 11:48.33 | Coke | at least 3 times |
| 11:48.49 | djszapi | why did you not return it if you do not wanna such a phone which does this ? |
| 11:48.53 | Coke | djszapi: aren't you reading? in two weeks I've tried to enable developer mode on at least 3 different occations |
| 11:49.02 | Coke | djszapi: I thought it might be a temporary problem |
| 11:49.28 | pawky | Coke: Have you during these two weeks tried to reflash your phone? |
| 11:49.37 | Coke | pawky: nope. |
| 11:49.41 | araujo | Coke, how about updating any other packages? |
| 11:49.44 | araujo | does it work? |
| 11:49.50 | Coke | I did update today |
| 11:49.53 | Coke | the update worked fine |
| 11:50.02 | djszapi | pawky is the master of random serious issues ;) |
| 11:50.08 | Coke | I think the update made the phone alittle bit slower, that's all. |
| 11:50.24 | pawky | djszapi: oh, you flattering you... ;-) |
| 11:50.43 | pawky | Coke:Then how about trying to reflash it? |
| 11:50.52 | Coke | can I do it here and now quickly? |
| 11:51.15 | pawky | Coke: then again, when i encountered your problem, the phone actually had a hardware failure... in the end I got a new one... |
| 11:51.37 | Coke | pawky: might be the same problem here |
| 11:52.02 | pawky | Coke: There are people here who can confirm if it is... but I let them reveal themselves should they want to help you... |
| 11:52.17 | Coke | it's not my money, it's my employer's so I don't really care if this phone sits in its box and eventually is thrown in the garbage, but if at all possible I'd like to salvage it |
| 11:52.55 | pawky | Coke: Well, If you phone would work, I am pretty sure you would have a great user experience.. |
| 11:53.11 | Coke | pawky: I doubt it. anything that has twitter as a core package is not for me. |
| 11:53.20 | Coke | anything that doesnt come with a terminal by default also is not. |
| 11:53.21 | pawky | Coke:Try to get someone to confirm you do not have an early phone with hardwara failure.. |
| 11:53.43 | artemma | Installed skype to N950 PR1.2 using instructions at http://leho.kraav.com/blog/2011/12/01/install-n9-skype-ui-on-n950/ Just a couple of console lines. Worked fine except for account fetching crashing on wrong password :) |
| 11:53.45 | Coke | the seller is on lunch |
| 11:53.58 | pawky | Coke: Well.. they have to sell the phone, hence they have to put lamer stuff in as well.. like facebook, twitter etc.. |
| 11:54.13 | Coke | pawky: could still be optional |
| 11:54.22 | pawky | Coke: The core functionality of the phone is very cool though.. and in open mode you might even smile.. |
| 11:54.29 | Coke | pawky: I use linux EVERYWHERE, I don't have twitter or facebook apps part of the core on any of the dists I use. |
| 11:54.42 | alterego | pawky: then by that reasoning no phone is for you ... |
| 11:54.52 | pawky | Coke: welcome to the club... if you do, you cannot be without an N9... |
| 11:54.54 | djszapi | :D |
| 11:54.58 | alterego | I meant Coke ... |
| 11:55.00 | pawky | Have to go to a meeting.. |
| 11:55.02 | pawky | :-) |
| 11:55.13 | Coke | pawky: my N900 still works even though it is slowly dying on me |
| 11:55.21 | Coke | alterego: yeah, the N900 works for me. |
| 11:55.34 | Coke | alterego: but you are right, I think the N9 was the last "smart" phone I buy |
| 11:55.53 | alterego | I doubt that very much |
| 11:56.11 | Coke | alterego: unless Intel finally release their project tot he public |
| 11:58.01 | Coke | also, since webos is apache license these days it might be a replacement, so I guess there's still hope. |
| 11:58.15 | Coke | but overall, my old ericson with Symbian has about 10 times the battery life and none of the headaches of the smartphones. |
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| 12:06.47 | vladest | any1 aware of SIm card rejected issue in PR1.2 on n950? |
| 12:07.13 | Coke | vladest: I wonder how you got hold of a N950 |
| 12:08.06 | vladest | Coke received from nokia for sure |
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| 12:40.05 | thp | ZogG_lap1op: pong |
| 12:40.11 | mece | 'hello |
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| 12:52.25 | vladest | any1 succeed installing gdb on n950 with pr1.2? |
| 12:55.50 | mece | vladest, did apt-get install gdb |
| 12:55.54 | mece | vladest, no issues. |
| 12:57.14 | vladest | mece: ok, thanks |
| 13:00.55 | mece | vladest, didn't actually try it, but it installed fine :) |
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| 13:12.05 | vladest | ok, gdb installing...sim card issue left |
| 13:27.23 | trx | when i use : aegis-exec -a "GRP::video" -a "GRP::pulse-access" gst-launch-0.10 -v subdevsrc camera-device=secondary capture-mode=video ! dsph264enc ! rtph264pay ! udpsink host=192.168.1.50 port=5434 |
| 13:27.44 | trx | i can stream from n950 to pc |
| 13:27.52 | trx | (view using vlc player) |
| 13:28.06 | trx | but it only works for secondary(front camera) |
| 13:28.40 | trx | when i try the primary i get an error |
| 13:29.25 | trx | "dsp node create failed" and "internal data flow error" |
| 13:29.42 | trx | any suggestions why? |
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| 13:41.21 | Corsac | I'm not sure if it's the wireless connection which is flacky or the power management which sucks, but sip over wifi is painful |
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| 13:42.28 | M4rtinK | Corsac: I've seen someone mentioning SIP@Wifi being improved quite a lot in PR 1.2 |
| 13:42.37 | M4rtinK | in the TMO PR 1.2 thread |
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| 13:47.13 | vladest | it seems there is no deb command in pr1.2 |
| 13:49.19 | Corsac | M4rtinK: ok |
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| 13:52.58 | Khertan | what ????? no deb command ? |
| 13:53.31 | Khertan | dpkg-deb is here |
| 13:53.54 | Khertan | vladest, ? |
| 13:54.00 | Khertan | apt tools too |
| 13:55.47 | vladest | Khertan: I want to add an repo |
| 13:56.08 | vladest | afaik its deb command used for this |
| 13:56.14 | vladest | right? |
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| 14:06.01 | ZogG_lap1op | sup sup guys |
| 14:07.02 | ZogG_lap1op | how can i use flackable area and gridview at the same page? |
| 14:09.02 | Corsac | vladest: no |
| 14:11.51 | ArkanoiD_ | ah. finally pictures in the twitter feed. too small to see anything, though |
| 14:13.19 | radiofree | trx: have you tried with camera-device=0 |
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| 14:25.08 | ArkanoiD_ | got strange impression that rotation to portrait became *worse* in 1.2 |
| 14:25.21 | ArkanoiD_ | to landscape, even |
| 14:28.12 | kirma | I have the impression that swipe-to-close started to accept swipes which were not coherent with the display orientation if the phone was somewhere between landscape and portrait orientation |
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| 14:34.03 | Corsac | can someone with pr1.2beta and SIP can look if call log correctly registers entries? |
| 14:34.28 | Corsac | (when I try to call a contact through SIP, it registers the sip:foo@foo number but not the contact |
| 14:34.41 | Corsac | if it's already fixed, no need to make a dupe bug |
| 14:34.52 | mece | hey where is the wallpaper picture stored on the phone? |
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| 15:02.11 | Corsac | hmhm, and is it somehow possible to delete completed tasks after a while? |
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| 15:20.54 | damaltor | hi everybody |
| 15:21.18 | damaltor | if my n9 is in a malf state, but there is no /var/malf , what reason might that be? |
| 15:47.37 | jonni | usually in that case some system critical binary or file has been edited. |
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| 16:09.14 | rantom | How does one get access to the photos/pictures that have been sent via Bluetooth? |
| 16:09.39 | rantom | I've been unable to access those without using e.g. a filemanager |
| 16:11.09 | damaltor | rantom: should be in gallery app |
| 16:15.53 | rantom | Hmm |
| 16:16.18 | rantom | I'll test with the new beta, if I recall right it doesn't work properly in the PR1.1 stable |
| 16:16.52 | rantom | One file I had to rename to get it to show up in Gallery |
| 16:17.19 | damaltor | if they are hidden files, and start with a dot, they wont show up. but thats unlikely for nornmal image files |
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| 16:18.51 | uros | Hello |
| 16:19.06 | uros | Can i ask some question here? |
| 16:20.41 | damaltor | try :D# |
| 16:20.56 | uros | Thanks |
| 16:21.15 | rantom | damaltor: Yeah. I re-tested with N9 to N950 and vice versa, no problems, showed up properly in Gallery. Don't know why though some files just won't show up. I'll try to reproduce it later again |
| 16:21.48 | uros | i am trying to write simple linear image gallery |
| 16:21.52 | uros | qml based |
| 16:22.18 | uros | and i need to have pinch2zoom option and double-tap to scale to width/height |
| 16:22.25 | rantom | Simply put: some files go with Bluetooth to the correct place and show up in Gallery, some are located in different place and won't show up in Gallery, until fixed (e.g. renamed or possibly moved to the correct position) |
| 16:23.21 | damaltor | rantom: sounds funny. i had the same problem with music files. i think if a file is moved on the device, eg by mounting in usb and putting a file into a subdirectory (i put all preinstalled music into a folder named "demo"), opon next gallery database update the phone knows that they are still there, but cant find them because they are not in the right folder |
| 16:23.38 | damaltor | could it be that the files were on your phone earlier, and are now in some other place? |
| 16:24.15 | uros | damaltor, should i continue, or wait for you guys to finish discussion? |
| 16:25.35 | rantom | damaltor: Nope. But I noticed that two files, which one I've received with Bluetooth and one from MMS, are oddly enough in Pictures, not in DCIM, where they should be |
| 16:25.35 | rantom | So something is going wrong, no idea what |
| 16:25.48 | damaltor | uros: just continue. try to put your whole question in one line, so people can read it completely. if somebody knows how to help you, he will tell you |
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| 16:25.49 | rantom | Both of those pictures though have been from non-Nokia devices |
| 16:25.50 | djszapi | jonni ping |
| 16:25.58 | rantom | maybe that'd explain it :D |
| 16:26.04 | uros | ok, you are right, thanks |
| 16:26.34 | damaltor | hey djszapi, maybe you could help me too. i just MALFed my phone, but dont know why. there is no /var/malf |
| 16:26.56 | djszapi | damaltor: no time available, I am sorry for thqat. |
| 16:26.58 | djszapi | that* |
| 16:27.01 | damaltor | rantom: lol. that might be :P try to open and re-save them on your pc |
| 16:27.09 | damaltor | djszapi: ok, thanks though |
| 16:28.18 | rantom | damaltor: Yeah. I'll try to reproduce it once I have an Android or iPhone near me again since those caused those situations |
| 16:29.03 | damaltor | kk |
| 16:29.03 | uros | So, the problem is: I use horizontal listview as simple gallery implementation.Every element of that listview is flickable item with image in it, so i can be able to zoom it. Inside flickable item, i have pincharea needed for zoom, and mousearea needed for doubletap. The problem is after pinch is finished, next touch to the screen reset fickable offset to 0, so the zoomed image flicks to the topleft corner of flickable area. |
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| 16:29.53 | uros | if i remove mouseare everything works fine, but then i dont have double tap option which is needed for this project |
| 16:31.51 | uros | Native gallery app can do all of this without any problem. That's way i am eager to see how can i acomplish this. |
| 16:32.33 | uros | Any thoughts? |
| 16:32.58 | djszapi | damaltor: I will be at FOSDEM, and I can help with such things, if you happen to be there...Until that quite busy with the preparation. |
| 16:34.09 | damaltor | djszapi: yeah, any help appreciated. but as i need the phone "now", i guess i will have to raflash |
| 16:34.12 | jreznik | who else will be at fosdem from this channel? |
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| 16:41.24 | damaltor | djszapi: can you answer a short question? if aegis notices a file in refhashlist has a wrong checksum, will there always be a /var/malf? |
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| 16:43.02 | djszapi | damaltor: the malf screen is not done by aegis |
| 16:43.25 | djszapi | aegis just returns if it is not okay, and up to the system-software guys what they do with the result. |
| 16:43.44 | damaltor | djszapi: oh, ok. |
| 16:43.54 | damaltor | having a malf without knowing why sucks |
| 16:44.05 | djszapi | up to the system-software guys. |
| 16:44.09 | djszapi | we return to them what is not okay. |
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| 16:44.41 | djszapi | but afaik they put it into malf, even though it is dismissable in certain cases. |
| 16:44.52 | faenil | Uni exams finisheeeeeeeeeeeed |
| 16:44.54 | faenil | fuck yeaaaah |
| 16:44.56 | faenil | sorry :D |
| 16:45.19 | djszapi | faenil: then go and clean your room :D |
| 16:45.34 | faenil | ahahah, correct :D |
| 16:45.41 | damaltor | djszapi: ok then... i guess ill have to reflash, i cant find whats wrong |
| 16:46.05 | damaltor | question to all: what data will i loose on reflashing? |
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| 16:46.48 | djszapi | damaltor: isn't it a dismissable malf screen ? |
| 16:46.59 | djszapi | can you please take a picture or write the complain ? |
| 16:47.22 | djszapi | (also: what have you done precedingly?) |
| 16:47.40 | damaltor | djszapi: it just tells me that the device is malfunctioning. no text stating the error |
| 16:47.58 | damaltor | djszapi: i rebooted due to compass not working. i rebooted earlier w/o problems. |
| 16:47.59 | djszapi | you sure, not even at the bottom ? |
| 16:48.08 | damaltor | nope |
| 16:48.22 | damaltor | just the triangle, and the please-take-me-to-service text |
| 16:48.24 | damaltor | thats it |
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| 16:49.45 | damaltor | i _guess_ that is why i cannot find any wroong checksums.. been looking throufg stuff i installed lately |
| 16:50.02 | djszapi | damaltor: that explanation sounds weird. |
| 16:50.26 | damaltor | true |
| 16:50.49 | damaltor | if the device would show me whats wrong, i would have a starting point to search. but there is nothing, nothing at all |
| 16:51.26 | djszapi | take me a picture pls. |
| 16:51.50 | djszapi | (is it N9 or developer device?) |
| 16:52.22 | damaltor | djszapi: it is a n9 |
| 16:52.28 | damaltor | http://www.stochasticgeometry.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/20111018_003b.jpg this is what i see |
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| 16:53.11 | djszapi | I would say go for re-flash then. |
| 16:53.23 | damaltor | sorry, i use up your time. i guess i will reflash now |
| 16:53.28 | damaltor | should i flash the emmc too? |
| 16:53.37 | djszapi | depends. |
| 16:53.41 | damaltor | :S |
| 16:53.53 | djszapi | if you flash the same firmware version, probably not needed. |
| 16:53.59 | damaltor | i guess i will just do, as there is no way to make it worse |
| 16:54.19 | damaltor | but i would like to know what data will be gone... and i guess "everything" is the correct answer |
| 16:54.49 | djszapi | yup. |
| 16:54.54 | djszapi | try without emmc first. |
| 16:55.25 | damaltor | ok.. will that save any data? :D |
| 16:55.36 | damaltor | or is there a way to backup most of it? |
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| 16:56.06 | djszapi | emmc is /home/user/MyDocs/ |
| 16:56.20 | djszapi | so if you do not flash that, you can preserve that, if you can succeed with not flashing that,. |
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| 17:00.45 | ZogG_lap1op | i hate anchors and all height and width setting |
| 17:00.54 | damaltor | djszapi: looks like my computer is going into a malf state now, too. last question: contacts/settings/..., are they saved in MyDocs, too? |
| 17:01.03 | ZogG_lap1op | anyone here can help me figure out |
| 17:01.12 | djszapi | damaltor: prolly. |
| 17:01.15 | ZogG_lap1op | i have listview in flickable area |
| 17:01.30 | damaltor | djszapi: ok then, ill reflash now. thanks for your help and sorry for your time |
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| 17:01.48 | ZogG_lap1op | the problem is how the height of listview as childrenRect.height is not helping |
| 17:01.58 | djszapi | damaltor: I wish the best. |
| 17:02.04 | damaltor | thanks |
| 17:05.03 | ninnnu | Is there a chance I brick my phone if I blacklist ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf? |
| 17:06.32 | djszapi | there is always a chance. |
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| 17:07.08 | ninnnu | Because I've heard stories that someone's phone doesn't boot after modifying /etc/ |
| 17:07.34 | djszapi | ninnnu: your best bet is the refhashlist file |
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| 17:10.12 | faenil | n950 charging... |
| 17:10.15 | faenil | about to flash :) |
| 17:10.19 | faenil | any reason no to? |
| 17:10.22 | faenil | not to? |
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| 17:10.44 | djszapi | faenil: because it will explode. |
| 17:10.52 | faenil | xD? XD |
| 17:11.13 | faenil | any new bug or things like that? |
| 17:11.25 | ninnnu | (The problem I'm trying to fix is "wlan0: deauthenticating from AP:MA:CA:DD:RE:SS by local choice (reason=3)", Google suggests that removing ipv6 would help) |
| 17:12.28 | djszapi | ninnnu: more verbosely then: grep for the file you wanna modify in the refhashlist. |
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| 17:13.06 | ninnnu | /etc/refhashlist only contains "Aegis3.0"? |
| 17:13.33 | mgedmin | 802.11 reason code 3 is "station has left the basic service area or extended service area and is deauthenticated" |
| 17:14.12 | djszapi | ninnnu: no, /var/lib/aegis/refhashlist |
| 17:14.24 | ninnnu | Okay |
| 17:15.13 | ninnnu | Nope, blacklist isn't there |
| 17:15.19 | ninnnu | So I guess it'd be safe |
| 17:15.27 | djszapi | well |
| 17:15.38 | djszapi | I would look for the container directory as well |
| 17:15.41 | phako | ipv6 shouldn't be there as well. It's optional to install in developer mode |
| 17:15.48 | ninnnu | hm |
| 17:16.26 | djszapi | phako: you do not really wanna guess things :) |
| 17:16.41 | djszapi | when you modify anything in etc, it is best to double check. |
| 17:16.49 | ninnnu | phako: I haven't installed that. But ipv6 module is loaded anyway |
| 17:17.18 | ninnnu | But the funny thing is that the WLAN I'm trying to connect to doesn't give IPv6... |
| 17:18.57 | djszapi | ninnnu: go for the modification. |
| 17:19.40 | ninnnu | Or maybe I go for risk-free "meh, I don't university WLAN".. |
| 17:20.10 | ninnnu | Anyway, good to know about the refhashlist |
| 17:20.16 | djszapi | there is no risk, if it is not checked against any hash. |
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| 17:50.14 | ZogG_lap1op | djszapi: have a min? |
| 17:50.36 | damaltor | djszapi: i rflashed now. most data is kept, i just have to reinstall my apps |
| 17:50.57 | djszapi | damaltor: nifty =) |
| 17:51.02 | djszapi | ZogG_lap1op: nop, sorry. |
| 17:51.07 | ZogG_lap1op | ok |
| 17:51.16 | ZogG_lap1op | =( |
| 17:55.44 | damaltor | djszapi: much thanks to you |
| 18:03.02 | gri | faenil: Damn you, I had my first test today and still 4 to go :( |
| 18:03.29 | faenil | only 4? aren't you at the first year? |
| 18:03.57 | gri | I am but we have five tests in the first semester (half a year) |
| 18:05.49 | faenil | oh ok you're talking about first year :) |
| 18:06.08 | faenil | yeah I know what you mean :) |
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| 18:15.07 | ZogG_lap1op | =\ |
| 18:15.35 | ZogG_lap1op | about 4 hours i can't make that damn flicable area page right |
| 18:16.01 | gri | ZogG_lap1op: What's wrong with it? :) |
| 18:17.19 | gri | ZogG_lap1op: Found your description above but don't understand your problem - do you have an example code? |
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| 18:44.09 | jonni | djszapi: pong |
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| 18:45.32 | kimju | meh. reimplementing dpkg-divert as a shell script is not exactly fun. |
| 18:46.36 | jonni | why are you doing that? |
| 18:47.18 | kimju | pr12 disallowed using dpkg-divert itself. |
| 18:49.29 | jonni | there is a way, but maybe I shouldnt tell how ;-) |
| 18:50.18 | jonni | as there is a reason why it was disallowed |
| 18:51.11 | ieatlint | seems like there's a lot of "but i shouldn't say how" today |
| 18:51.31 | kimju | it could probably be used to fool aegis in some way.. |
| 18:53.38 | kimju | the file I'm diverting is not protected, afaik. it's easy to just mv it away, but to support upgrades etc. cleanly needs little more than that. |
| 18:54.24 | Rantwolf | one question, is there any option to disable the skype contacts in the addressbook? |
| 18:55.46 | npm | it appears there are some featured-app casualties of the pr1.2 font change (mine's just minor) |
| 18:56.08 | npm | plus i've closed a few too many apps in landscape mode swiping down |
| 18:56.59 | npm | plus sometimes apps are stuck in portraint while you hold in landscape and if you swipe down (thinking "left") the app closes |
| 18:59.10 | npm | but i'll get used to it... otherwise PR1.2 is like stepping into danish designer furniture after living in an overstuffed naughahyde living room for too long (wp7) |
| 19:00.36 | npm | well finnish, except the finns aren't known for their furniture just their phones and loudspeakers :-) |
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| 19:09.34 | gri | my n9 always rotates to landscape when I try to read the news on the bus (which I do in portrait) |
| 19:09.39 | gri | damn thing :P |
| 19:10.54 | jonni | orientatiolock helps :) |
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| 19:15.25 | RST38h | gri: you do the bus in portrait? |
| 19:16.57 | mgedmin | jonni, what orientation lock? |
| 19:17.54 | Rantwolf | http://www.google.com/url?q=http://my-meego.com/software/applications.php%3FfldAuto%3D504%26faq%3D13&sa=U&ei=1aYhT4ScC4abOpjjxLMI&ved=0CAQQFjAA&client=internal-uds-cse&usg=AFQjCNEgjBjSqnfOXqMbz_tL-S51-JP_9w |
| 19:20.24 | jonni | mgedmin: there is orientationlock app in forum.meemo.com, and there is also orientationlock in my ovi store BabyLock application |
| 19:20.35 | mgedmin | oh, cool! (probably) |
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| 19:26.08 | SpeedEvil | imagines a bluetooth activated set of magnetic manacles. |
| 19:26.24 | SpeedEvil | (available in both tasteful blue and pink) |
| 19:28.05 | ieatlint | kinky |
| 19:28.40 | mgedmin | a use case for NFC? |
| 19:29.42 | Sazpaimon | hey |
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| 19:29.45 | Sazpaimon | pr1.2 users |
| 19:29.53 | Sazpaimon | does drive have an "avoid toll roads" option |
| 19:29.58 | ieatlint | nothing sceams intimacy like "hold on, i need to find my phone to unlock these |
| 19:30.05 | Sazpaimon | you know, like the feature symbian maps had FOR EVER |
| 19:30.05 | ieatlint | Sazpaimon: yes |
| 19:30.19 | ieatlint | and avoid bridges/ferries/etc options, like symbian |
| 19:30.25 | Sazpaimon | ieatlint, so would you say it's reached parity with symbian with pr1.2? |
| 19:30.34 | ieatlint | for drive, yeah |
| 19:30.35 | Sazpaimon | *pairity |
| 19:30.42 | ieatlint | parity was correct |
| 19:30.48 | Sazpaimon | yeah it was |
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| 19:31.06 | ieatlint | also, street names in the voice nav |
| 19:31.13 | Sazpaimon | I heard, good stuff |
| 19:31.13 | ieatlint | so yeah, parity :P |
| 19:31.22 | Sazpaimon | is it better than symbian's or about the same |
| 19:31.47 | ieatlint | i'd say the same vs the symbian belle phones |
| 19:31.51 | Sazpaimon | i wouldnt mind no street names if they brought back surfer dude |
| 19:32.03 | itsnotabigtruck | haha |
| 19:32.11 | Sazpaimon | before the big maps update a few years back I had that as my maps voice |
| 19:32.21 | Sazpaimon | it was awesome |
| 19:32.22 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm pretty sure you can still download surfer dude using nokia suite |
| 19:32.33 | itsnotabigtruck | it might be possible to transfer the surfer dude files to an n9 |
| 19:32.42 | Sazpaimon | if the format is the same, probably |
| 19:32.56 | Sazpaimon | i wanna know who's idea was that |
| 19:33.34 | Sazpaimon | because i wanted to thank them for annoying the hell out of my passengers for the longest time |
| 19:34.00 | itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: if you've got a symbian phone around try checking in nokia suite |
| 19:34.11 | Sazpaimon | my E71 is in pieces |
| 19:34.18 | Sazpaimon | oh well :( |
| 19:34.27 | Sazpaimon | also, i had a bit of a rage moment earlier this week when maps sent me to a toll road |
| 19:34.46 | Sazpaimon | I had no cash on me |
| 19:34.59 | Sazpaimon | so I had to pull off to the side, load up gapp and try to get non-toll directions |
| 19:35.22 | Sazpaimon | later I find out that the car I was driving (it wasn't mine) had an ezpass for the toll road |
| 19:35.45 | Sazpaimon | mad |
| 19:35.56 | Sazpaimon | speaking of google maps |
| 19:36.05 | Sazpaimon | does the PR1.2 web browser actually load google maps now? |
| 19:36.19 | Sazpaimon | thats been broken for as long as I can remember |
| 19:37.18 | ieatlint | haven't checked |
| 19:37.28 | ieatlint | i remember it used to work, and then google disabled it |
| 19:37.51 | ieatlint | but there is a mobile version of the google maps site, just oddly difficult to find |
| 19:39.52 | Sazpaimon | its not just that, its the entire maps site doesnt work |
| 19:39.56 | Sazpaimon | even the desktop version |
| 19:40.15 | Sazpaimon | it will show the map, but then be stuck on some loading screen |
| 19:40.36 | Sazpaimon | I heard the same happens when you change your useragent to android/iphone |
| 19:41.17 | ieatlint | here if i try to load maps.google.com, it redirects me to a shitty "maps.google.com/m/local" that doesn't actually provide maps exactly |
| 19:41.29 | Sazpaimon | you can select the desktop version at the bottom |
| 19:41.36 | RST38h | Is there still a URL for decent mobile gmaps? |
| 19:41.45 | ieatlint | ah, i see, tring |
| 19:41.52 | ieatlint | ok, loaded destkop version fine |
| 19:41.57 | Sazpaimon | RST38h, nope, google limits it based on useraent |
| 19:41.59 | Sazpaimon | *useragent |
| 19:42.00 | ieatlint | but without a mouse, probably difficult to use |
| 19:42.20 | Sazpaimon | yeah on my PR1.1 N9, it shows a loading graphic behind the map |
| 19:42.25 | Sazpaimon | and it doesnt go away, and I cant do anything |
| 19:42.31 | RST38h | Sometimes, there are special URLs |
| 19:42.43 | RST38h | which Google does not advertise |
| 19:42.51 | Sazpaimon | http://www.google.com/maps/m used tow rok |
| 19:42.53 | Sazpaimon | *to work |
| 19:43.12 | Sazpaimon | but google caught on and disabled it. You have to change your useragent for it to work |
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| 19:43.15 | ieatlint | ah, i see, yeah, i can't search for anything or similar |
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| 19:43.31 | ieatlint | yeah, that pissed me off ... why do they care |
| 19:43.35 | Sazpaimon | honestly I only ever use google maps for transit directions, because nokia maps doesnt have my transit agency |
| 19:43.35 | ieatlint | it still gave me adverts |
| 19:43.54 | Sazpaimon | or probably any transit agency in the US |
| 19:44.15 | ieatlint | they have at least one where i live |
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| 19:44.34 | Sazpaimon | well i figure if they dont have SEPTA, they wont have a lot |
| 19:44.43 | Sazpaimon | septa is one of the larger transit agencies in the country |
| 19:45.32 | ieatlint | hadn't heard of it... somehow septic came to mind with the name :P |
| 19:45.34 | Sazpaimon | maybe not as big as MTA |
| 19:45.49 | Sazpaimon | septa handles all the transportation in southeast pennsylvania |
| 19:46.25 | Sazpaimon | "SEPTA has the 6th-largest U.S. rapid transit system by ridership, and the 5th largest overall transit system, with about 306.9 million annual unlinked trips" |
| 19:46.34 | Sazpaimon | yeah is one of the biggest, like i thought |
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| 19:47.44 | Sazpaimon | anyway sucks to hear its still broken |
| 19:47.51 | Sazpaimon | no use changing the useragent then |
| 19:47.57 | Sazpaimon | guess Im stuck with gapp |
| 19:48.08 | ieatlint | well the mobile version of the maps site used to work well i remember |
| 19:48.25 | Sazpaimon | "used to" |
| 19:48.44 | ieatlint | yeah, but if the user agent is all that stops it... |
| 19:49.01 | Sazpaimon | i hear even if you change the useragent it shows the correct mobile site but maps still doesnt work |
| 19:49.40 | Sazpaimon | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81291 |
| 19:49.45 | Sazpaimon | "Google Maps loads the fully featured Android mobile version, but doesn't really work. It just says "loading" after asking to allow geolocation." |
| 19:50.04 | Sazpaimon | same as the desktop version |
| 19:50.12 | Sazpaimon | i wonder what Gapp does differently |
| 19:51.02 | ieatlint | gapp uses the api to access the map tiles |
| 19:51.59 | Sazpaimon | it looks like the standard web interface to me |
| 19:52.22 | Sazpaimon | and google doesnt have an API for public transit |
| 19:53.27 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 19:53.42 | ieatlint | i think i met the guy who wrote it last weekend at a conference |
| 19:54.23 | Sazpaimon | it looks like avery simple qt web interface that simulates an android or iphone browser |
| 19:55.05 | ieatlint | yeah, just confirmed... he had a desktop app on his laptop he was showing too |
| 19:55.41 | damaltor | you both could use 2cloudgps" for google maps. not right what you wantet i guess, but it is a way to have google maps on your mobile |
| 19:56.05 | damaltor | i mean cloudgps, no 2 in there |
| 19:56.43 | Sazpaimon | thats just maps |
| 19:56.51 | Sazpaimon | i only ever use google maps for public transit |
| 19:57.05 | Sazpaimon | which google keeps closed |
| 19:57.44 | damaltor | oh ok |
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| 21:22.22 | ieatlint | hrm, suddenly twitter on my n9/pr1.1 stopped working, deleted and tried to re-add, and now it just says "can't connect to twitter" when i try to add it |
| 21:22.38 | ieatlint | anyone seen an issue like this? |
| 21:23.27 | ieatlint | it's harder to pretend i'm working when i have to use my desktop to look at twitter |
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| 21:42.06 | ieatlint | also, another issue with the lumia... the microusb flap doesn't have that satisfing click when you open it |
| 21:46.42 | damaltor | ieatlint: according to the dervice book of the n9, the flap can simply be pulled out (and pushed in). maybe you want to pull it out and reinstall it to make sure it sits firm? |
| 21:47.02 | damaltor | *service book |
| 21:47.09 | ieatlint | you misunderstand, i'm not having any issues with it |
| 21:47.20 | ieatlint | my note was that the flap on the n9 has a click noise when you open it |
| 21:47.24 | ieatlint | on the lumia, it does not |
| 21:48.11 | damaltor | oh i thought it _had_ that click when it was new, but now the click is gone |
| 21:48.25 | damaltor | so it is not satisfying be design.... interesting. |
| 21:49.04 | ieatlint | well, it's definitely on all the n9s i've used, and i got used to it |
| 21:49.14 | ieatlint | so now the lumia's feels just odd when it doesn't click |
| 21:49.15 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 21:49.21 | damaltor | why did you buy a lumia anyway? |
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| 21:49.46 | damaltor | :D |
| 21:49.49 | ieatlint | because it's an awesome platform, very pretty and ahead of its time |
| 21:50.01 | damaltor | meh.. |
| 21:50.03 | artemma | Somebody posted here a link to a web page with all the default harmattan theme icon names. Anybody has such a link at hand? |
| 21:50.15 | artemma | that's much easier to examine than filesystem |
| 21:50.33 | artemma | is looking for appropriate icons for InfoBanner You know, for warnings, info, etc |
| 21:50.56 | ieatlint | i know which site you mean... have it bookmarked on another computer |
| 21:51.02 | ieatlint | was a nokia site if i recall even, a wiki one |
| 21:51.17 | artemma | wiki? I thought it was somewhere on gitorious.. |
| 21:51.39 | ieatlint | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/MeeGo_Harmattan_QML_ToolIcon_Element_and_Various_icons |
| 21:51.40 | artemma | hmm, maybe if I search the browser history.. |
| 21:51.54 | ieatlint | that might not be a complete list |
| 21:52.32 | artemma | ieatlint: that's a good link, but I remember there was way-way longer list of all the icons. Must be from some sources |
| 21:52.56 | ieatlint | well, that link doesn't show the inverted icons |
| 21:53.04 | artemma | aha! |
| 21:53.05 | artemma | got it |
| 21:53.06 | artemma | http://qt.gitorious.net/maemo-6-ui-framework/duitheme/blobs/35e22bf53b8ae812d81b64d0dbf687bca167542d/base/meegotouch/ids.txt |
| 21:53.24 | ieatlint | oh, you meant just the names... |
| 21:53.36 | ieatlint | you can find that in the qtsdk too, they just sit in a folder |
| 21:53.41 | artemma | hmm, though there's no icon that says "banner" |
| 21:54.11 | artemma | or should I ask another question? |
| 21:54.26 | artemma | Which icons do you use for warnings in the InfoBanner? |
| 21:54.27 | artemma | if any |
| 21:54.42 | ieatlint | ah, you want like an exclamation point in a triangle style? |
| 21:55.54 | artemma | yep |
| 21:56.18 | artemma | I want to show this sort of warning when user tries saving unsavable stuff |
| 21:56.27 | artemma | not a critical error at all, just a warning |
| 21:56.34 | ieatlint | might be something in that folder... don't have it on my work computer right now |
| 21:57.01 | ieatlint | might need to just scan through the icons present and see if any would work |
| 21:57.20 | artemma | In some random qt sources online I see assets/system_banner_thumbnail.png at info banner |
| 21:57.26 | artemma | but have no idea of what it is |
| 21:57.46 | artemma | that's not present in SDK |
| 21:57.57 | ieatlint | i see, for instance, icon-m-common-error... wonder if that could be good |
| 21:58.28 | artemma | Hmm, busy precence may work :) |
| 21:58.29 | artemma | icon-s-status-presence-busy.png |
| 21:59.16 | artemma | i can't see common error in sdk |
| 21:59.35 | artemma | though I see it on that web page |
| 21:59.49 | artemma | will try |
| 21:59.50 | ieatlint | yeah, i just looked at the webpage... that's unhelpful if they don't match |
| 22:00.15 | artemma | thx |
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| 22:15.41 | vzp916 | hi |
| 22:16.17 | itsnotabigtruck | lol, i just received a 100g package of tea that i ordered, and the box is way heavier than the actual product |
| 22:16.22 | itsnotabigtruck | hey vzp916 |
| 22:18.52 | vzp916 | never can get ssh to connect |
| 22:21.27 | itsnotabigtruck | what do you mean? |
| 22:21.51 | itsnotabigtruck | make sure you're using port 22, username developer, the password shown by the sdk connect tool |
| 22:22.03 | vzp916 | I tried to ssh user@Localhost |
| 22:22.38 | vzp916 | treks me cannot connect to port 22 |
| 22:23.52 | ieatlint | heh |
| 22:24.26 | ieatlint | localhost is case sensitive, and that would only work on the n9 (and why would you want to ssh in as user from the n9 to the n9?) |
| 22:24.27 | vzp916 | never had that before |
| 22:24.51 | vzp916 | from PC to N9 |
| 22:25.02 | ieatlint | should also be using the developer account to ssh into |
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| 22:26.03 | vsync_ | yo dawg we herd you like to ssh so we put an ssh into your ssh so you can ssh while you ssh |
| 22:26.08 | vzp916 | hm...fact is...I was able to do it before I reflashed to 1.1 |
| 22:26.49 | vzp916 | vsync..nice one |
| 22:30.34 | vsync_ | ty |
| 22:35.28 | artemma | Hmm, InfoBanner is shown under my titlebar (just a rectangle actually). I thought InfoBanner is always on top of everything. Any hints? |
| 22:36.17 | artemma | aha, change to SystemBanner somehow helped |
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| 22:41.46 | trx | artemma i set its parent to top level component |
| 22:41.51 | trx | i had the same problem |
| 22:42.15 | artemma | I figured that SystemBanner works if I add it to Page level (not PageStackWindow) |
| 22:42.29 | artemma | and maybe order somehow matters |
| 22:42.42 | trx | yeah, its follows some wierd logic |
| 23:06.15 | artemma | Is there a way for opening ovi store for a given app id? |
| 23:06.36 | artemma | opening just a url will leave an ugly empty browser window |
| 23:06.46 | artemma | maybe there's some special url scheme for ovi store? |
| 23:07.33 | artemma | wants to put into a free version a link for buying a Pro version of the app |
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| 23:32.34 | itsnotabigtruck | laments the fact that most people here have gone commercial rather than exploiting their phones to the max |
| 23:33.10 | itsnotabigtruck | and things like aegis make those mutually exclusive, because if you want to do cool stuff you can't go commercial |
| 23:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | that's why we all *love* HARM |
| 23:34.28 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: but the former part isn't nokia's fault |
| 23:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | you're sure about that? |
| 23:34.46 | itsnotabigtruck | people in general are treating it as a "monetization opportunity" and not a hacker platform |
| 23:35.04 | itsnotabigtruck | yah, otherwise we'd see people actually investigating and using open mode and stuff like that |
| 23:35.07 | DocScrutinizer | well, it is no hacker platform, evidently |
| 23:35.26 | itsnotabigtruck | but people just don't really seem very interested |
| 23:36.03 | DocScrutinizer | I couldn't be less interested in using HARM as a hacker platform, when even iPHone is a better hacker platform than HARM |
| 23:36.22 | itsnotabigtruck | not really, it's just that the iphone actually does have people exploiting it to the max |
| 23:36.54 | itsnotabigtruck | every little ounce of capability gets used to do something cool, there's always a hack for that |
| 23:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: |
| 23:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | switches back to #maemo channel |
| 23:37.19 | itsnotabigtruck | anything the iphone can do *could* be done on an N9, the problem is a) the unavoidable: not enough people for that |
| 23:37.30 | itsnotabigtruck | and b) the avoidable: not enough interest in that |
| 23:38.03 | itsnotabigtruck | of course i'm not helping, i haven't built anything for the n9 yet |
| 23:38.40 | itsnotabigtruck | but it takes more than one person anyway, and it seems like the vast majority of development is high level qml stuff |
| 23:39.20 | itsnotabigtruck | and not encryption software, vpn clients, custom kernels, what have you |
| 23:39.52 | ieatlint | i get the impession a lot of the people who had time to screw around on the n900 and such don't have the same time now |
| 23:39.58 | ieatlint | and that's part of the "issue" |
| 23:40.41 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: hm, good point |
| 23:41.58 | ieatlint | but yeah, aegis is crippling, and the fact that the repos are based pretty much entirely on ovi, so if you want real distribution you need to go through ovi |
| 23:42.11 | ieatlint | which is more restrictive than aegis, and keeps you on pr1.0 |
| 23:42.22 | itsnotabigtruck | but there is open mode, and it does work |
| 23:42.49 | ieatlint | there needs to be better docs on it.. not just tmo threads that i don't have time to go through 20 pages of |
| 23:42.54 | itsnotabigtruck | it does impose that stupid bootup warning, but a lot of the crippling is self-imposed |
| 23:43.03 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, and we need a 1 click installer forit |
| 23:43.12 | ieatlint | i'm still not even clear how easily i can return to a base image if i put openmode on a device |
| 23:43.27 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm pretty sure it's a matter of doing the same operation again with the original kernel |
| 23:43.35 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 23:43.56 | itsnotabigtruck | reinstall original kernel, wipe/reload rootfs, reboot |
| 23:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | openmode is a oneway ticket. |
| 23:44.16 | ieatlint | or what limitations there are in openmode, having heard about ssl certs and accounts issues |
| 23:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | wipe/reload rootfs == flash |
| 23:44.50 | itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: yeah? |
| 23:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | and incidentally flashing is the only way back to normal/aegis mode |
| 23:45.10 | ieatlint | so wait, it's one way permanent change, or you can go flash the pr1.1 image back on the phone? |
| 23:45.13 | itsnotabigtruck | i don't consider "you have to wipe the phone" to be the same as "one-way ticket" |
| 23:45.26 | ieatlint | yeah, big difference in my mind |
| 23:45.44 | itsnotabigtruck | that's like saying "installing ubuntu on your pc is a one-way ticket" |
| 23:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | whatever... If you want me to put some explanation on the openmode readme, go ahead. I'll consider it eventually |
| 23:47.37 | ieatlint | i wish i could just take a month off of work and do half a dozen things i've wanted to |
| 23:47.56 | alterego | ieatlint: yeah, I feel like that quite often :) |
| 23:48.02 | ieatlint | but realistically, if i even tried that, i know full well i'd just spend the month drunk and sleeping |
| 23:48.14 | alterego | Yup, I've done that too. |
| 23:48.19 | ieatlint | :) |
| 23:48.39 | itsnotabigtruck | hehe |
| 23:49.12 | alterego | Well, in related news. I should go to sleep so I'm not dead in the morning for work :P |
| 23:49.22 | ieatlint | haha, yeah |
| 23:49.31 | ieatlint | i'm still at work for another ~2.5h pretending to work |
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