| 00:11.23 | merlin1991 | and the last question for today, suppose I have an application that heavily relies on functionality that is put into "modules" which are done as qplugins over qpluginloader, now each of those plugins has to have it's own settings gui, ideas on how to store the qml in the plugin and also inject it into the application on runtime= |
| 00:11.29 | merlin1991 | s/=/?/ |
| 00:12.17 | javispedro | merlin1991, plugins can pass QDeclarativeItems back to the main app |
| 00:12.22 | javispedro | or even QGraphicsItem |
| 00:15.21 | ieatlint | i'm wondering if there's a way to use qrc in qplugins.. |
| 00:15.24 | ieatlint | because that would work |
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| 00:16.23 | merlin1991 | yeah I actually thought if I could possibly extend the qrc of the application by the plugin and just use a generated qml filename to load as page onto the pagestack |
| 00:16.49 | javispedro | ieatlint, I once had the question of whether assuming qrc are shared between images is portable |
| 00:17.05 | javispedro | qt docs do not seem to say anything on this regard, so I assume that it will not be the case on some platform |
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| 00:21.19 | ieatlint | i'm actually wondering why there is no obvious method to load qml from a qstring or something |
| 00:21.54 | merlin1991 | is there an unobvoius way todo that? |
| 00:22.24 | ieatlint | well an easy method would be to just write it out to a file in /tmp and load that |
| 00:22.54 | merlin1991 | okay unobvious but still moderately sane way? :D |
| 00:23.15 | ieatlint | that actually isn't a bad way to do it |
| 00:23.32 | ieatlint | there are undoubtedly other unobvious methods, but unlikely sane |
| 00:25.44 | javispedro | passing QGraphicsItem/QDeclarativeItem is the maemo way |
| 00:26.03 | ieatlint | here's a stupid way to do it... QDeclarativeView::setSource() takes a QUrl, so just run a web server and feed qml through it :P |
| 00:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | or use a sever with asp instead of javascr^H qml |
| 00:29.48 | ieatlint | you can also do some crazy shit to get qrc to work it appears |
| 00:30.44 | ieatlint | QResource::registerResource() can take a uchar*, and it's used to add .rcc files (which is qrc, but its own binary instead of built into a qt binary) |
| 00:31.48 | ieatlint | writing the qml to a tmp file is the most sane and simple i say |
| 00:32.01 | javispedro | either way, I'd suggest against the use of qrc on harmy, and do it the unix way with files on $PREFIX/share |
| 00:32.06 | lucido | In my project if I choose harmattan build debug target my app works fine and if I build it with release I get segmentation error, what is the difference between these two build? |
| 00:32.30 | itsnotabigtruck | w00t w00t, the n9 has landed |
| 00:32.39 | merlin1991 | javispedro: don't we have to have files on /opt/something in order for ovi compliance? |
| 00:32.41 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck, and it broke? |
| 00:32.48 | ieatlint | lucido: debug symbols |
| 00:32.49 | javispedro | merlin1991, that's why I said $PREFIX instead of /usr ;) |
| 00:32.50 | itsnotabigtruck | lol javispedro |
| 00:33.07 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 00:33.13 | javispedro | ieatlint, and optimization, which is probably the cause for the crash |
| 00:33.22 | lucido | ieatlint, how can it be that it runs fine with debug symbols and segfaults without them? |
| 00:33.32 | merlin1991 | lucido: never ask that question |
| 00:33.35 | ieatlint | or its how its access memory |
| 00:33.48 | ieatlint | wow, my english is getting worse |
| 00:33.51 | lucido | merlin1991, why not? |
| 00:33.56 | itsnotabigtruck | what's the 'dev cert' that was talked about above... |
| 00:34.06 | merlin1991 | I went down that path once and found out that for odd reasons I had a shader in a qstring which was on the stack and use it later on when the memory is gone |
| 00:34.15 | merlin1991 | worked fine in debug builds despite all logic |
| 00:34.28 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: something that only people working for nokia have |
| 00:34.37 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: but what /is/ it |
| 00:34.39 | itsnotabigtruck | if it's possible to extract the firmware from the pr1.2 unit, won't it boot in unsigned / "open" mode |
| 00:34.45 | itsnotabigtruck | no cert required |
| 00:34.53 | ieatlint | the cert isn't in the firmware image |
| 00:35.13 | itsnotabigtruck | right, but if it isn't needed it's irrelevant, no? |
| 00:35.25 | merlin1991 | well it makes r&d easier |
| 00:35.42 | lucido | merlin1991, whats a shader? |
| 00:35.43 | merlin1991 | for exmaple the default setup lets your ssh in as root if you have the cert |
| 00:35.49 | ieatlint | uh, perhaps, but it's not the lack of dev cert that i suspect will stop you from doing that |
| 00:36.02 | merlin1991 | lucido: it was a shader used in an opengl based tool |
| 00:36.15 | itsnotabigtruck | lucido: it's a program that runs on the gpu (if i'm not explaining the obvious) |
| 00:36.33 | merlin1991 | but in practice I was accessing a qstring when it shouldn't be in memory anymore which still worked when running a debug build |
| 00:36.54 | ieatlint | lucido: try using valgrind, it's one the dev packages |
| 00:36.54 | lucido | bus error |
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| 00:36.59 | ieatlint | and it might tell you what you'e doing that's evil |
| 00:38.01 | lucido | valgrind is used by the qt creator debug |
| 00:38.34 | ieatlint | i don't think so? |
| 00:38.42 | lucido | if I run debug in creator I get strange library errors |
| 00:39.00 | ieatlint | yeah, who needs libc anyway |
| 00:54.28 | javispedro | firefox requires 30% of 4GiB to succesfully link using ld, chromium requires nearly 70% and still increasing (machine's going to crash), and then they say firefox is bloated |
| 00:54.49 | SpeedEvil | umm... |
| 00:55.00 | SpeedEvil | Who cares about link size. |
| 00:55.27 | SpeedEvil | If it took an extra 8G to link, to save 100K of operating RAM, ... |
| 00:55.32 | SpeedEvil | (though I doubt that) |
| 00:55.59 | javispedro | me, as soon as the OutOfMem killer springs in action |
| 00:58.52 | beford | 8G should be enough for everyone |
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| 01:03.44 | ieatlint | heh, yeah, i love my employer that gives me a quad core 3.4ghz core i7, and then just 4gb of ram and 250gb hdd... |
| 01:03.49 | ieatlint | 4gb is enough right? |
| 01:06.36 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: might you be able to requisition some more? ddr3 is pretty cheap now |
| 01:07.38 | itsnotabigtruck | also javispedro: but chrome is fast...it's less about bloat and more about putting the entire user interface in javascript, and terrible memory management |
| 01:08.59 | itsnotabigtruck | also, that ram usage is apparently b/c of profile guided optimization, which loads almost the entire thing into ram at once |
| 01:09.08 | itsnotabigtruck | (in unlinked form) for what it's worth |
| 01:09.17 | ieatlint | i'm still waiting on them to replace my keyboard with one that doesn't squeak :P |
| 01:09.30 | itsnotabigtruck | heh |
| 01:10.29 | itsnotabigtruck | btw does the N9 boot up without a sim installed, and has anyone in the US successfully had at&t replace their sim with a microsim? |
| 01:11.24 | javispedro | how can it do profile guided optimization without a profile |
| 01:11.33 | javispedro | =) |
| 01:11.46 | javispedro | (it doesn't, it's just plain symbol bloat) |
| 01:12.01 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: it boots up fine without a sim |
| 01:12.04 | javispedro | (which is admitedly meaningless, but hey...) |
| 01:12.17 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: well, i think the build process is supposed to involve a profiling run |
| 01:12.24 | ieatlint | and i suspect since att has the iphone, they'll give you a microsim without hassle |
| 01:12.40 | itsnotabigtruck | ieatlint: except the iphone is 'special'; i know they have them but they might be reluctant to offer one up |
| 01:13.24 | ieatlint | itsnotabigtruck: i don't think it's that special... and regardless, if they're about to offer the lumia 900, they'll need more general microsim support |
| 01:13.36 | ieatlint | call att/visit a store, or google for it |
| 01:14.03 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i'll just head over there tomorrow...it's after business hours now |
| 01:14.30 | ieatlint | i'm on tmo in the states and they happily gave me a microsim |
| 01:14.41 | ieatlint | and then were extremely confused when it wasn't for an iphone |
| 01:14.54 | itsnotabigtruck | lol yeah, that's part of why i'm worried |
| 01:15.03 | itsnotabigtruck | 99% of people who want a microsim want it for their imported iphone |
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| 01:22.24 | arekinath | does that mean that we are the 1%? |
| 01:22.37 | javispedro | more like the 0% |
| 01:22.45 | arekinath | :P |
| 01:23.01 | ieatlint | you'll soon find being in he 1% is a lot more fun... |
| 01:23.37 | javispedro | I once remember trying to explain to some operator the N900 existed, only to eventually give up and tell her to just give me whatever data they give for n8 owners |
| 01:26.47 | ieatlint | heh, yeah, i've had that data plan argument too many times |
| 01:27.04 | ieatlint | "but it won't work with that phone |
| 01:27.06 | ieatlint | !" |
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| 01:58.30 | itsnotabigtruck | hmm, my N9's touchscreen seems to be behaving funkily...is anyone aware of issues related to the AC-10 charger? (that's the n900 one) |
| 01:58.38 | itsnotabigtruck | i vaguely remember seeing something like that on tmo |
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| 02:06.22 | SpeedEvil | Plugged in capacitive displays can have wierd issues |
| 02:27.43 | itsnotabigtruck | SpeedEvil: yeah, looks like it |
| 02:27.56 | itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79972 here's the thread i was thinking of, same charger and everything |
| 02:28.14 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe it'd work better with the AC-16U that came with the unit |
| 02:49.36 | auenf | yay, since upgrading to PR1.1, pulse uses 7% cpu when idle |
| 02:50.06 | auenf | pulse audio that is |
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| 03:23.24 | keithzg | vis-a-vis microSIMs, I actually just got my $5 puncher (with adapters to put microSIMs back into normal devices), seems to work fine (my provider here in Canada is on AWS and doesn't have any microSIMs themselves). |
| 03:27.13 | SpeedEvil | Usual caution - do not use adaptors with slot-type devices, like the n950 |
| 03:27.24 | SpeedEvil | it can snag, and break the contacts |
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| 03:59.52 | tju3 | Hi can someone help me to get a QML Label (that has too much text) in two lines instead of exceeding the page width |
| 04:03.45 | tju3 | I've tried with Text.WrapAnywhere but I can't get the effect I want |
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| 04:23.58 | hiemanshu | tju3: write a simple wrapper function that checks orientation and splits into multiple labels |
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| 04:27.33 | tju3 | hiemanshu: thanks I tought it was easier |
| 04:28.05 | hiemanshu | tju3: last I checked no, label should be used as a label, no to display multiple lines of text :P |
| 04:29.38 | tju3 | I know, and I'm not trying to do it with multiples words, it's a very long word, but just one, that's why I tought it was easier |
| 04:30.04 | hiemanshu | tju3: then use Text instead of Label |
| 04:30.49 | tju3 | and how do I set Text to look exactly like a default Label? I mean the font size for example.. |
| 04:32.07 | hiemanshu | tju3: use style: and set it to platformStyle |
| 04:32.56 | tju3 | thanks, I'm gonna try that |
| 04:36.58 | tju3 | style: platformStyle is supposed to set the color to the actual theme? I used dark theme and I can't see the text I have to set the color to white, but then if I switch to white theme it looks ugly |
| 04:59.23 | itsnotabigtruck | do you guys recommend any particular country variant of the n9 firmware for english users |
| 05:17.41 | RST38h | yawns |
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| 05:45.09 | fignew | Is anyone aware of a .deb packaging guide? |
| 05:45.41 | fignew | I could follow a generic debian one but I'm not sure if that'll include icons in the package manager? |
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| 06:44.21 | posix | can anyone point me some directions on how can I install aditional -dev libraries on QtSDK? Some documentation would be nice |
| 06:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | moos |
| 06:46.29 | posix | on default installation from the nokia qtsdk installer, madde terminal doesn't contain anything like apt-get utilities, so i'm a little bit stuck |
| 06:53.41 | dm8tbr | I have to look that up myself every time |
| 06:53.49 | dm8tbr | but there is a special command for this |
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| 07:00.59 | itsnotabigtruck | fignew: i'm pretty sure there's some info in the dev guide |
| 07:04.40 | mtd | hi all - are there any good meego-python examples out there specifically for the N950? Anyone working with python on that platform? |
| 07:04.42 | tomma | posix, mad-dev or mad has xdpkg |
| 07:14.42 | fignew | itsnotabigtruck: yep, I stopped being a lazyass and looked it up. Thanks :) |
| 07:15.10 | itsnotabigtruck | fignew: unfortunately, packaging info is about all that's in the dev guide :p |
| 07:15.55 | itsnotabigtruck | seems like there isn't much to speak of for documentation, of course the base qt stuff has very good docs |
| 07:17.43 | Sazpaimon | so has anyone attempted a maemo 5 chroot on harmattan, for kicks |
| 07:17.52 | posix | tomma humm.. mad-dev is an aditional package that i need to install? also, the mad-admin xdpkg seems to be a solution for me... i just need to know a repository from where i can download the harmattan libraries (such as libcommhistory-dev, etc) |
| 07:18.30 | Sazpaimon | i tried something once, didn't get very far, a few programs ran okay, most segfaulted, I think my chroot wasn't right |
| 07:18.38 | itsnotabigtruck | posix: you did download the platform sdk, right |
| 07:18.41 | itsnotabigtruck | not just the qt sdk |
| 07:19.06 | Sazpaimon | I might try using the fiasco image instead of the SDK rootstrap |
| 07:20.16 | Sazpaimon | then, attempt to recompile any programs throwing floating point exceptions (if applicable) |
| 07:20.17 | posix | itsnotabigtruck maybe that's my problem then... i've read some documentation on doing it on debian-based systems, but nothing for windows |
| 07:21.02 | posix | so i though in windows the platform was installed with the nokia sdk installer |
| 07:21.07 | posix | i guess im wrong |
| 07:23.43 | posix | according to the harmattan-dev.nokia.com/platform-sdk/, there's only a .py script for platform sdk installer, i guess it won't work on windows... so i think it's a better idea to install all the stuff on a vm on a debian-based dist |
| 07:24.22 | tomma | posix, yeah not mad-dev but mad-admin |
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| 07:59.46 | djszapiN9 | fignew, it does. Debian also has icons. You might wanna use absolute paths though. |
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| 08:28.39 | itsnotabigtruck | posix: afaict you *have* to develop for n9 on linux |
| 08:29.08 | itsnotabigtruck | assuming you have a relatively modern cpu, throw on virtualbox and get debian or ubuntu up and running |
| 08:29.27 | itsnotabigtruck | night! |
| 08:34.41 | jonni | itsnotabigtruck: you can use QtSDK with windows too |
| 08:35.10 | jonni | only the scratchbox env needs linux if your hardcore dev |
| 08:35.43 | jonni | or QtSDK with mac should work also |
| 08:36.04 | jonni | scratchbox==platform-sdk |
| 08:36.35 | jonni | platform-sdk != QtSDK |
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| 08:37.35 | jonni | personally I use QtSDK for developing ovi store apps, and only use scratchbox for compiling kernels etc lower level stuff |
| 08:41.48 | RST38h | uses QtSDK for bitching about it |
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| 11:09.07 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: rotation of camera element actually worked and even didn't mess with resolution as far as i see, but the captured picture is rotated and i can use only portrait =\ |
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| 11:17.42 | jonni | oh yes, might be better for your app just to force landscape mode while taking pictures |
| 11:18.40 | jonni | hmm, let me try something with my phone... |
| 11:23.12 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: all my app is in portrait |
| 11:23.34 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i'll froce portrait, and i would need to add function to rotate picture |
| 11:25.26 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: is it the best to use states for taking picture and preview on same page or make it separete? |
| 11:32.20 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: examples seems to use states, but I havent played with qml camera that much. btw in what rotation is the captured image? |
| 11:33.14 | ZogG_laptop | same as camera - 90 |
| 11:33.43 | ZogG_laptop | it's 90 left in bug so i assume rotation goes clockwise than i did 90 back |
| 11:34.22 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: yeah i saw states, but i think to made preview on separete page, now thinking to save it with Qt in cpp function so i can rotate picture physicaly |
| 11:34.27 | jonni | ah yes, as we are only rotating the rectangle and not the viewfinders rotation |
| 11:34.37 | ZogG_laptop | viewfinders? |
| 11:34.50 | jonni | viewfinder==Camera element |
| 11:35.05 | ZogG_laptop | oh |
| 11:35.08 | jonni | but yes, you might need to hack around with c++ functions |
| 11:35.16 | ZogG_laptop | i use Camera element rotation |
| 11:35.23 | ZogG_laptop | not the one you sent |
| 11:35.29 | ZogG_laptop | just simple rotation:90 |
| 11:35.52 | jonni | ah, maybe if you use my example of rotating the rectacle you get right pictures? |
| 11:35.55 | ZogG_laptop | it's a pitty there is no save image and change image functions in image element |
| 11:36.27 | jonni | have you tried to keep camera rotation as 0 and put rectangle with 90? |
| 11:36.29 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i think i used it and it said there is no such function, can you link me again |
| 11:36.46 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i do not have rectagle |
| 11:36.54 | jonni | I even edited it directly to your debian package and it worked |
| 11:37.10 | jonni | I also pasted the .patch do forum that you posted |
| 11:37.47 | jonni | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5497 |
| 11:38.26 | ZogG_laptop | oh that's you, i mean you the one also comented on bug right? |
| 11:38.43 | jonni | you can leave out captureResolution on that patch, it just makes it fullscreen :) |
| 11:39.09 | jonni | yep, I commented also on the bug |
| 11:39.14 | ZogG_laptop | that's what i wanted to ask btw =) |
| 11:40.01 | ZogG_laptop | but what was the link to the in camera rotation u sent me once |
| 11:40.55 | jonni | it was using the same Rectangle rotation, the old link just didnt have to automatic landscape&portrait handling thingie that I added (currentRotation binding) |
| 11:41.23 | jonni | if your forcing portrait you can change it to rotation: 90 |
| 11:41.54 | ZogG_laptop | i did, but only as Camera.rotation |
| 11:42.10 | ZogG_laptop | as i assume on page rotation buttons are rotated and other things too |
| 11:43.05 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: btw the resolution you gave me is not full screen, it has tinny borders =) |
| 11:43.33 | ZogG_laptop | though the image is taken fullscreen =) |
| 11:44.21 | ZogG_laptop | maybe it's coz i don't use fullscreen app and has top system status bar? |
| 11:44.30 | jonni | well yes few millimeters, didnt have time to figure out how to remove extra pixels, most likely just some variable on Page borders |
| 11:44.58 | ZogG_laptop | anchors? |
| 11:45.02 | jonni | maybe change white to black so users dont notice them :) |
| 11:45.41 | ZogG_laptop | lol |
| 11:45.41 | jonni | my bet is that if you just rotate Rectangle instead of Camera you get right orientation pics |
| 11:45.45 | ZogG_laptop | tricky |
| 11:45.57 | jonni | but havent tested it |
| 11:46.25 | ZogG_laptop | i think the thing is that camera stream is proportional by default |
| 11:47.10 | ZogG_laptop | anchors.fill: parent makes it look small =) |
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| 11:48.37 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: \o |
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| 11:54.11 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: hello :) |
| 11:57.09 | djszapi | I am unsure who wanted to use javispedro's generator, but he has now corrected it |
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| 11:57.50 | djszapi | admiral0: it was you ;-) |
| 11:57.59 | djszapi | (heh not here) |
| 12:05.22 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: corrected how? |
| 12:05.26 | ZogG_laptop | it worked fine before |
| 12:10.06 | djszapi | that is what Javis replied: "Thanks for noticing it was down! Seems I broke it accidentally (I |
| 12:10.10 | djszapi | changed servers recently). |
| 12:10.20 | djszapi | "Either way, I've fixed it already, and also upgraded the librsvg on the server (so it should have less bugs)." |
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| 12:11.28 | javispedro | ZogG_laptop: it was broken for a few days as I moved servers |
| 12:20.05 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: just did a bit of experimenting, you can get fullscreen qml camera on portaid mode if you rotate and then hack around with x y width and hight values |
| 12:20.19 | thp | is it possible to let the camera app capture via d-bus? i.e. simulate a press on the camera button on screen? |
| 12:20.34 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: ie managed to get rid of borders |
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| 12:23.41 | jonni | thp: well you can atleast just send fake touch event to capturebutton location, no need for d-bus |
| 12:23.56 | jonni | (if your camera app is open) |
| 12:24.28 | thp | jonni: how do i send these? it doesn't seem to work with xresponse |
| 12:25.06 | jonni | thp: my answer would be xresponse, atleast I've used it for sending keyevents for input fields etc |
| 12:26.54 | thp | jonni: well it works (xresponse -c XxY) everywhere else (e.g. in my own app), but not while the camera app is fullscreen |
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| 12:27.39 | thp | and i guess nobody has written a "volume+ key as camera button" app yet? |
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| 12:28.54 | flux | thp, it doesn't have the half-pressed state.. |
| 12:29.07 | auenf | thats what the vol- is for :P |
| 12:29.08 | flux | I guess you could use volume- for that :) |
| 12:29.15 | flux | but not quite as convenient |
| 12:29.40 | flux | especially as you need to use your left hand, for many people |
| 12:29.41 | thp | flux: well it could work like the on-screen button (i.e. keep pressed to focus, release to shoot) - although obviously we can't have the "abort" method then |
| 12:35.07 | thp | YESIT, got it :p |
| 12:35.19 | thp | xresponse -d 820x240,820x240 does the trick, the -c method doesn't work |
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| 12:50.38 | jkt | any idea why my QML application shows the video from the front cam when run through the Qt Creator, but when launched directly, it doesn't show anything? |
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| 12:50.59 | jkt | running it through the `aegis-exec -a "GRP::video"` doesn't change anything |
| 12:51.04 | djszapi | I am getting this error message from the flasher even if the phone has been on the microusb cable for an hour: http://paste.kde.org/185498/ |
| 12:51.37 | djszapi | GRP::video should be there by defaulty. |
| 12:51.38 | X-Fade | djszapi: Can take longer. But it does start at some point. |
| 12:51.59 | djszapi | longer charge than an hour needed for getting 10 % ? :o |
| 12:52.03 | jonni | djszapi: charging through usb port or real charger? |
| 12:52.17 | jonni | some usb ports dont give enough power for phone to charge |
| 12:52.30 | djszapi | I have been charging phones on this port for years :) |
| 12:52.45 | djszapi | It is around ~100 mA, so surely not ~200mA like the wall charger, but still |
| 12:52.58 | X-Fade | djszapi: Yeah, it just does emergency charge, which is a very low trickle iirc. |
| 12:53.01 | djszapi | (and fwiw, it is always 0%) |
| 12:53.14 | djszapi | X-Fade: well, it always worked previosuly ;-) |
| 12:53.23 | djszapi | as in, 10 minutes was always enough from zero energy. |
| 12:53.36 | X-Fade | djszapi: N950? |
| 12:53.39 | djszapi | I am more like pondering some other charging issues. |
| 12:53.59 | djszapi | yes, N950 this time. |
| 12:54.16 | djszapi | I even tried "-Owait-charging". |
| 12:54.23 | X-Fade | Yeah, I had it take a long time there. N9 got back to life quite quickly. |
| 12:54.24 | dm8tbr | just put in a charged BL-4D :) |
| 12:54.37 | jonni | djszapi: if the batterylevel has gone to 0 it might need 150mA to get charging started, sometimes it fails at 100mA if 0% |
| 12:54.54 | djszapi | sometimes ? :o |
| 12:55.36 | djszapi | let us try the charger got to Lumia then :) |
| 12:55.50 | djszapi | wall, that is |
| 12:55.59 | jonni | and Owait-charging is bad thing to try, if device happens to run out juice during flashing it causes brick, unless you have R&D certs installed :) |
| 12:56.26 | djszapi | it should not start without proper energy in the first place. |
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| 12:56.44 | jonni | thats why there is that 10% level check |
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| 12:56.51 | djszapi | that is what one would expect from that option.. |
| 12:57.10 | jonni | that -Owait thing is supposed to be only nokia internal as our devices have R&D certs |
| 12:57.18 | jonni | someone just forgot to remove it from public release |
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| 12:57.47 | jonni | ah sorry |
| 12:58.14 | jonni | wait-charging is ok to try, I confused it to no-wait-charding which bypasses the check :) |
| 12:58.23 | djszapi | right =) |
| 12:58.43 | jonni | my crosseyes |
| 12:58.59 | djszapi | jkt: do you have anything in syslog ? |
| 12:59.37 | jonni | jkt: are you trying to launch as user or root? |
| 13:00.08 | djszapi | I would guess from the applauncher. :) |
| 13:00.47 | jonni | or try aegis-exec -l -u user /path/to/app |
| 13:02.49 | djszapi | heh 7 minutes wall charger -> 1 % |
| 13:03.43 | djszapi | that sounds unreasonable to me. |
| 13:05.18 | jonni | heh atleast not 0 anymore, well it should speedup then it gets going. |
| 13:05.23 | jonni | then=when |
| 13:07.11 | jkt | djszapi: nothing in the syslog |
| 13:07.26 | jkt | after adding some debug output, it appears that the QCamera gets stuck in the LoadingState |
| 13:08.44 | djszapi | you run it as user right, and what is on the console ? |
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| 13:10.14 | jkt | jonni: running it under the `aegis-exec -l -u user` doesn't change anything |
| 13:10.17 | djszapi | jonni: still 1% after 15 minutes ;-) |
| 13:10.25 | djszapi | jkt: you do not need to. |
| 13:10.38 | jkt | well, the only thing where I get an image out is when I launch it through the QtCreator, which is, I believe, under the "developer" account |
| 13:11.04 | jkt | when I exit the app through the usual swipe down gesture, go to the menu screen on the device an launch it from there, I don't get any image out |
| 13:11.05 | djszapi | you can try as developer, but it should work at the end as a user. |
| 13:11.44 | jonni | jkt: developer account has same userid as user, so should not make a difference, maybe you should just look qtsdk logs to see the exact command it is starting the app |
| 13:11.52 | jkt | the same happens when I launch it from a terminal application (ie. as the user, I believe) on the device -- again no picture out and the camera gets stuck in the LoadingState |
| 13:12.27 | jkt | jonni: do you ahppen to know where shall I have a look? there's nothing in the qtcreator's output |
| 13:22.35 | jonni | jkt: and its usefull to add msgHandler in main (comment out on final realease), that way you get a lot more info on commandline http://pastebin.com/Jbajffjk |
| 13:23.08 | jonni | that will also increase all the debug information in creator |
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| 13:33.23 | jkt | jonni: there are no extra messages printed by that handler |
| 13:33.34 | jkt | I was already getting message from the qDebug() call |
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| 13:52.17 | jkt | so no matter what I do, the camera always stays in the LoadingStatus |
| 13:54.28 | jonni | maybe aegis-exec just strips the needed cababilities, and you should just call the binary without aegis-exec |
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| 13:55.41 | jonni | or try launching through invoker |
| 13:58.16 | jkt | jonni: I've done that and the result is again no video |
| 13:58.23 | jkt | as I've said here already |
| 13:58.47 | jonni | and starting from grid by clicking the desktop file doesnt work either? |
| 13:59.09 | jkt | what's the grid (or rather what's the difference between that and the launcher?) |
| 13:59.20 | jonni | I mean the normal ui |
| 13:59.43 | jkt | I've started running the binary from terminal, either directly or through the aegis-exec, and even directly just by this finger in the normal GUI of the phone |
| 13:59.50 | jkt | always the same behavior, no video |
| 14:00.21 | jonni | and you've installed with dpkg -i? |
| 14:01.19 | jkt | I've installed through the Qt creator, removed that app through the GUI, installed the same .deb as the qtcreator uses through the web browser, and still nothing |
| 14:01.55 | jonni | and you have CE device? ie no R&D cert |
| 14:03.00 | jonni | (as there is difference how creator install stuff) :) |
| 14:03.09 | jkt | sorry? |
| 14:03.12 | jkt | this is an N950 |
| 14:03.33 | jkt | I have no idea if there are variants of this model |
| 14:04.00 | jonni | ah I though that you had N9, so you have N950, PR1.1? and not some earlier beta |
| 14:04.11 | jkt | anyway, http://jkt.flaska.net/n950/cutemirror_1.0.0_armel.deb is the .deb file if you'd like to try for yourself |
| 14:04.43 | jkt | 2.2011.39-5_PR-RM680 says the about box |
| 14:05.21 | jonni | ah yes thats newest public that is on N950 |
| 14:08.52 | jonni | 1st thing that fails is GRP::audio, unknown source cannot have that group |
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| 14:14.07 | jkt | jonni: ok, I've now removed it |
| 14:14.35 | jkt | jonni: the wierd thing is that a sample application from gitorious, the "simplemirror", works even when launched directly, after deployment through the qtcreator |
| 14:15.02 | jkt | I've also just disabled the HARMATTAN_BOOSTER define in the qmake file, but it doesn't appear to change anything |
| 14:16.20 | jonni | whats your desktop filename |
| 14:16.42 | jonni | ah found it |
| 14:21.07 | jkt | it appears that the working demo renders directly through the QGraphicsVideoItem, while I do it over a child of that type and my C++ class is just a QDeclarativeItem subclass |
| 14:23.17 | jonni | just got it working, your problem is that you try to run it as root, which gives dbus access error |
| 14:23.47 | jonni | aegis-exec -l -uuser "/usr/bin/invoker --type=d -s /opt/CuteMirror/bin/CuteMirror" |
| 14:23.52 | jonni | when running as user it works |
| 14:24.18 | jkt | jonni: well, what have I done wrong to request running as root? I'm just clicking on the launcher icon |
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| 14:24.50 | jonni | it its user without the right env variables |
| 14:24.55 | jonni | which the -l adds |
| 14:25.15 | thp | tadaa! http://thp.io/2012/camerra/ (app to make vol+ act as shutter button in the camera app) |
| 14:26.15 | X-Fade | thp: push to apps please :D |
| 14:26.35 | thp | X-Fade: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/4058 ;) |
| 14:27.23 | jonni | jkt: most likely its missing the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS which the -l adds to env |
| 14:27.34 | jkt | jonni: I'm using the qtcreator's template for a QML app (a generic one, though) |
| 14:27.38 | jkt | checks the .desktop file |
| 14:28.04 | jonni | if you add that aegis exec part infront ot invoker part you get it running |
| 14:28.14 | jonni | I bet |
| 14:28.30 | X-Fade | thp: Crap, something broke :) |
| 14:28.43 | thp | i'm sure you'll quickly fix that :) |
| 14:28.59 | X-Fade | Now the ball is in my court ;) |
| 14:30.04 | jonni | jkt: atleast worked from commandline, you might need to fight a bit with the desktop file, but might be that disabling HARMATTAN_BOOSTER define breaks it |
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| 14:30.36 | jkt | jonni: I've played both with that flag enabled and disabled |
| 14:34.28 | jonni | ah and logs say that you try to call com.nokia.mce which gives access denied |
| 14:35.03 | jonni | but without seeing the sources I cannot help more, most likely startup is blocked since it tries to call some dbus API which is not permitted |
| 14:46.06 | jkt | jonni: https://gitorious.org/cutemirror/cutemirror, sorry for delay |
| 14:46.50 | jkt | jonni: even with your advice, I cannot launch the application from inside the phone. The DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/var/tmp/dbus-JY8TKxCdfH,guid=89b3e09b9604bb492548ac95003ea24e is in there |
| 14:47.37 | jkt | jonni: I have a new data point, though -- when I open a terminal on the application and start the app directly as a binary from there, the video still isn't shown. But if I execute a develsh from the temrinal and launch the binary from *there*, it works great |
| 14:47.51 | jkt | so the question is what is develsh doing ? |
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| 14:48.40 | jonni | jkt: most like its because you disabled booster, and when booster is disabled you are not allowed to use QScopedPointer, just use QApplication instread in main |
| 14:49.06 | jonni | jkt: (I quickly looked your main.cpp sourcecode...) |
| 14:49.14 | thp | X-Fade: found something? |
| 14:49.18 | jkt | jonni: booster looks enabled in the latest master |
| 14:49.45 | X-Fade | thp: Yeah, fixing :) |
| 14:49.59 | jonni | jkt: you should not use booster, untill next QtSDK release comes out, it has a but that your qmlRegistType goes to wrong instance :) |
| 14:50.02 | X-Fade | And declining the duplicate one manually :) |
| 14:50.24 | jonni | jkt: but=bug which is fixed in next release |
| 14:50.30 | jkt | meh! |
| 14:50.40 | jkt | fixes |
| 14:50.49 | thp | X-Fade: yeah, i re-submitted because i forgot the screenshot and icon in the first request |
| 14:50.51 | jonni | that was easy error to find |
| 14:51.32 | X-Fade | thp: Will fix it, but have to go now for a few hours first unforunately. |
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| 14:52.18 | thp | ok |
| 14:54.39 | jonni | jkt: bug reference is here https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-6473 that link shows another way to fix it too, but easier is just not to use qscopedpointer |
| 14:56.20 | jonni | jkt: https://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-6490 anyways it will be fixed in 2.4.0 |
| 14:57.48 | jkt | jonni: I've disabled the booster in 203c8c4 (and pushed), but again it works only when executed through the develsh or via the atcreator |
| 14:59.52 | jonni | jkt: and you fixed the qmlapplicationviewer to return right rootContext?? |
| 15:00.16 | jkt | checks |
| 15:00.45 | jonni | the fix which is mentioned in 6490 |
| 15:01.32 | jkt | looks like I need a proepr account to access the codereview |
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| 15:08.26 | jkt | jonni: well, I might be a bit confused here, but I'm already on SDK 2.4, and the patch doesn't work as my compiler says that there's no d->view in there |
| 15:08.41 | jkt | furthermore, I'm not accessing the rootContext explicitly anywhere |
| 15:09.09 | jkt | jonni: can you confirm that any version of my code (from gitorious) works when launched directly from the terminal on your phone? |
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| 15:14.56 | RST38h | moos evilly |
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| 15:20.15 | merlin1991 | can anybody shed some light onto the "digisums" flie in the harmattan debian archives? |
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| 15:35.04 | merlin1991 | in particular I'm interested where that file gets created |
| 15:35.51 | merlin1991 | as in at which point in the build process |
| 15:36.01 | jkt | jonni: any idea? |
| 15:40.19 | jkt | when I have a look at the PID that gets launched by clicking the icon through `accli -I -p thatpid`, the capability listing doesn't include the GRP::video |
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| 15:51.11 | merlin1991 | so scratchbox generates a file that ens up in the .deb file in the control.tar.gz that is called digsigsums, I'm looking for the code that does exactly that |
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| 16:11.15 | jonni | jkt: yep I got camera showing from terminal... I'll have a look to git sources later if I have time... |
| 16:11.47 | jkt | jonni: even when launched directly from the GUI? wow... |
| 16:12.06 | jkt | jonni: how did you build the package? what version of the qtcreator -- or something else? |
| 16:12.28 | jonni | jkt: havent got it working from gui yet |
| 16:12.39 | jonni | I'm just downloading git now |
| 16:13.19 | jkt | thanks for having a look |
| 16:17.13 | jonni | how do you create the deb normally, as when pressing deploy it doesnt put desktop inside the package? |
| 16:19.45 | jkt | jonni: it puts the desktop file in there for me, at least here |
| 16:21.11 | jkt | and it's definitely a permission issue; running it under strace shows that it cannot open /dev/media0 |
| 16:22.19 | jonni | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.51 | jkt | jonni: done that, no change |
| 16:31.38 | jonni | I'll have an idea.. but I'll test it later, have to eat and do stuff first |
| 16:32.30 | matrixx | anyone from here in Helsinki QtEverywhere meetup? |
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| 16:47.15 | pawky | jonni: Tada.... I am back, with a new phone.... ;-) |
| 16:57.31 | pawky | Does anyone know wether restoring a backup from a different N9 will work or if that will lead to me having to manually enter the login passwords for all accounts when booting the phone? |
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| 17:12.04 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/12/nokia-n9-meego-update-screenshot/ |
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| 17:22.47 | jkt | jonni: thanks a lot for your help. In the end, I was able to fix that, the error was in my aegis manifest, my placement of the <for> tags was all wrong ;( |
| 17:22.54 | jkt | jonni: https://gitorious.org/cutemirror/cutemirror/commit/eb43c8d6bf74c2d23e793422ad821d0c9be83ce6 is what fixed the whole thing |
| 17:25.06 | jonni | ah yes, it helps to have working aegis-file |
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| 17:55.40 | BluesLee | someone familiar with the n9 lockscreen modifications? |
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| 18:20.22 | pawky | jonni: Didn't you mention something regarding restoring from different phone equals having to write passwords at boot? |
| 18:22.08 | jonni | pawky: havent mentioned afaik, but yes if you restore from different phone, you need to recreate all the accounts, since it cant encrypt the backed up passwords |
| 18:22.20 | jonni | decrypt even |
| 18:22.34 | pawky | ok thank you :-) |
| 18:29.58 | mgedmin | jonni, "different phone" means what? if I reflash the n9 and restore from backups, will I get my passwords? if I buy a new n9 and restore from backups, I won't? |
| 18:30.39 | jonni | mgedmin: afaik, yes. |
| 18:31.24 | mgedmin | interesting! |
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| 18:49.40 | gri | One question: When I want to update my application in Ovi store, do I have to create a new content file (not content item) or "edit" the existing one? |
| 18:51.01 | Iktwo | no, you have to modifiy the content |
| 18:51.14 | Iktwo | wait I'll there you where.. |
| 18:53.36 | Iktwo | gri: well you have to go to content, then click on your item, then in content files you have to replace the .deb (if it is for maemo or meego..) |
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| 18:53.55 | gri | Ok, so it's editing |
| 18:53.55 | Iktwo | gri: you can set an update note there |
| 18:54.02 | Iktwo | yeah |
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| 19:55.35 | bindi | is it possible to get caller-specific ringtones, on the N9? |
| 19:58.53 | javispedro | yeah, look at the contacts application |
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| 21:26.17 | GeneralAntilles | Why is it that manufacturers never plan on having high availability for their most breakable parts. |
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| 22:08.24 | BluesLee | i installed cron on my n9 but it doesnt seem to run? |
| 22:09.16 | BluesLee | any alternatives to autostart a command on a daily basis? |
| 22:15.06 | ieatlint | loves a future where he can sit on a plane and be online |
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| 22:22.42 | GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, it's rather magical, isn't it? |
| 22:24.24 | ieatlint | truly |
| 22:25.11 | ieatlint | i'm billing my employer for hours on my way to vacation so i don't take as much time off... :) |
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| 23:24.44 | djszapi | Venemo: hello bello :) |
| 23:25.09 | Venemo | hey djszapi :) |
| 23:25.18 | Venemo | djszapi, so late or so early? :P |
| 23:25.54 | djszapi | coming back from the Qt MeetUp. We had a collision with a bus :) |
| 23:26.12 | Venemo | ouch |
| 23:27.51 | ieatlint | how many jokes about bus errors would made? |
| 23:28.37 | djszapi | 6 |
| 23:51.42 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.53 | ieatlint | ... oops :) |
| 23:53.43 | djszapi | <PROTECTED> |