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| 02:26.38 | itsnotabigtruck | oh shit, the nokia n9 price at newegg just dropped thirty bucks |
| 02:27.16 | itsnotabigtruck | i wonder if it's going to keep going down...their pricing changes based on sales so it can go all over the place |
| 02:32.23 | nibbler | i wonder what the N9 sales is like compared to the lumia. |
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| 05:16.49 | itsnotabigtruck | yay, /me can haz N9, finally |
| 05:17.33 | itsnotabigtruck | unfortunately it's probably not the finland-made variety but going by the forums it sounds like that's an overblown concern |
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| 06:02.47 | auenf | itsnotabigtruck, http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=nokia%20factory%20documentary&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CC4QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.com%2Ftitle%2Ftt0448435%2F&ei=_TwFT-vXBqvLmAWguMzgBw&usg=AFQjCNFEkEdoE86GfqunQhcwovA-UBET-A&cad=rja |
| 06:02.53 | auenf | err, stupid google urls |
| 06:02.58 | auenf | www.imdb.com/title/tt0448435/ |
| 06:04.25 | itsnotabigtruck | auenf: is it supposed to be surprising that chinese factory conditions are less than ideal :/ but it's way too far gone at this point |
| 06:05.10 | auenf | iirc, the doco is about someone from nokia finland going to the chinese factory and 'fixing' it more or less |
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| 06:59.14 | itsnotabigtruck | man, finally dumped the n9 firmware |
| 06:59.45 | itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice if the info was all in one place...apparently they took the unpacking feature out of flasher 3.12 so you have to use 3.5 |
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| 08:01.31 | keithzg | Obviously I'm just doing something stupid, but why would I be getting an error of 'module "com.nokia.meego" version 1.1 is not installed' on the N9 itself? (trying to write a simple PySide/QML app) |
| 08:03.16 | jonni | because your supposed to import com.nokia.meego 1.0 |
| 08:04.23 | keithzg | ah . . . that'll teach me to follow the Harmattan Developer Documentation blindly, heh |
| 08:08.01 | keithzg | Excellent, now it fully loads into the jumble of broken code that I have so far, now the real work can begin heh |
| 08:12.40 | keithzg | (it's about time I finally learned QML, hell, I run KDE on most of my computers even) |
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| 08:35.39 | djszapi | hi, does one have an open mode warranty void screenshot by off-hand ? |
| 08:36.17 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: re |
| 08:36.28 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: and what the f you are talking about? |
| 08:36.36 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: hi :) |
| 08:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | ooohNOES |
| 08:37.24 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: shhhhhh...! |
| 08:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | I almost started to like this chan |
| 08:39.02 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: if you search something bad you'll always find something, so stop it |
| 08:40.48 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: there was a warning screen during an open-mode kernel boot, if I recall correctly. |
| 08:41.04 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: never used it |
| 08:41.22 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: waiting for something more stable and documanted |
| 08:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_laptop: thanks for explaining to me why I won't look here from now on again |
| 08:50.07 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: stop being drama queen |
| 08:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | thanks for adding to the points why I will soon leave this chan comletely |
| 08:51.07 | ZogG_laptop | ok |
| 08:51.18 | ZogG_laptop | niwakame|away: still away? |
| 08:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | or add to my /ignore lists another few names (though it's this need for /ignores that spoils the chan for me) |
| 08:52.03 | ZogG_laptop | DocScrutinizer: you can do it without telling it to us, that's the point of it |
| 08:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | I also can +q you without telling anybody |
| 08:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | for me it's the better alternative |
| 08:53.53 | ZogG_laptop | ok |
| 08:54.04 | ZogG_laptop | you can |
| 08:54.45 | ZogG_laptop | than do it, if you tying to prove something with it. but it would only prove opposite |
| 08:55.01 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: have you parsed json with qml? |
| 08:55.53 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: nope, sorry. |
| 08:56.31 | ZogG_laptop | =\ |
| 08:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_laptop: first and foremost *you* are proving sth about your character here |
| 08:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | and I really don't like somebody to instruct me to stop sth, just because I said "I almost started to love this channel" |
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| 09:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | and since I think a chanop with one /ignore is as bad as a chanop with two ignores, I simply take my consequences now. bye |
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| 09:06.22 | ZogG_laptop | i even don't know whta to say =) , maybe just "every coin has two sides. |
| 09:08.37 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: http://dpaste.org/6Vs4R/ - it simply doesn't work |
| 09:09.04 | ZogG_laptop | niwakame|away: game me almost same example and it worked |
| 09:10.12 | ZogG_laptop | game=gave* |
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| 09:30.44 | djszapi | okay, found teh screenshot in the architectural documentation. |
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| 10:04.33 | keithzg | Are there any simple PySide examples or apps that include the standard (or at least, standard-looking) toolbar? |
| 10:06.15 | alterego | keithzg: I'd imagine you'd use QML + PySide for that. |
| 10:25.12 | jani | hey, there was some talk on twitter about aegis token granting for apps.formeego.org, anyone knows more about this ? |
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| 10:29.18 | ZogG_laptop | jani: that was idea of apps,formeego.org - to have same grantes as ovi and it has it now(don't know if it's implented or not yet though, but you can ask on TMO thread for this repo or X-Fade ) |
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| 10:29.51 | jani | thx! |
| 10:30.25 | djszapi | I cannot see a new origin though. |
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| 10:34.25 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: than add it =) |
| 10:35.06 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: if there is a new/updated policy package, apps4meego does not have special credential set available. |
| 10:35.14 | djszapi | there is no* |
| 10:35.34 | djszapi | it falls under the unknown category until that. |
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| 10:40.32 | djszapi | keithzg: there will be some guys having PySide experience at the Qt MeetUp in Helsinki. I am not sure where you are from :) http://www.meetup.com/QtEverywhere/Helsinki-FI/533242/?a=bn5_l1#946032 |
| 10:41.33 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: they got the credential, the question if they connected it or not |
| 10:42.25 | djszapi | can you please prove it somehow ? |
| 10:42.56 | X-Fade | djszapi: install apps client. |
| 10:43.06 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: it's not Santa, yo ucan believe me or not, that's how it works |
| 10:43.12 | X-Fade | djszapi: or install aegis-community-source-policy |
| 10:45.59 | jbos_ | hello, I'd like to try some build on scratchbox/harmattan but unlucky me it has a gtk2 dependency (which is planned to get rid of) for testreasons I just want to go on for now |
| 10:46.18 | jbos_ | did someone manage to build an gtk2? |
| 10:46.29 | jbos_ | and may can provide some packages? |
| 10:47.05 | ZogG_laptop | jbos_: try to search in rzr repo |
| 10:47.16 | ZogG_laptop | rZr: do you have gtk2 in there? |
| 10:47.20 | jani | x-fade: how does that work ? For example, say i have a aegis token i need for my app to work, if i install it from apps.formeego.org now (given that its available there in the first place) should it work then ? |
| 10:47.39 | X-Fade | jani: Yes. |
| 10:48.06 | djszapi | jbos_: un'fly nope. This is the closest: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gtk-fremantle&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard |
| 10:48.36 | jbos_ | k lets see :) |
| 10:49.05 | djszapi | X-Fade: apt-cache search aegis-community-source-policy -> gives no results. |
| 10:49.29 | X-Fade | djszapi: on device |
| 10:49.55 | X-Fade | djszapi: lives in nokia apps |
| 10:50.03 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: update? |
| 10:50.11 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: update happened before the query. |
| 10:50.21 | djszapi | X-Fade: so this is the only policy which is not available i nscratchbox ? |
| 10:50.42 | jbos_ | mhm to sad,anyway thanks djszapi |
| 10:50.47 | X-Fade | djszapi: I guess you then need to add that repo in SB. |
| 10:50.48 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: btw if i upload app do i need to edit aegis grants for my app, or how does it work(never uploaded to ovi as well) |
| 10:50.56 | jani | X-Fade: one more, does the deb need to be compiled on somewhere like community obs or can i just submit the binary directly. |
| 10:51.11 | X-Fade | jani: Need to build on community OBS. |
| 10:51.15 | djszapi | X-Fade: which one ? |
| 10:51.30 | X-Fade | ZogG_laptop: Just add them to your aegis manifest and upload to apps. |
| 10:51.39 | ZogG_laptop | jani: i think you can not just use as depends but built it in maybe? |
| 10:52.33 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: ok, i'll check it out, but as i'll feel my app is ready for upload to apps4meego i'll bug you with bunch of question, need to upload at least one app to understand how it works |
| 10:53.06 | X-Fade | djszapi: harmattan/apps? |
| 10:53.26 | X-Fade | djszapi: Check your sources list on device |
| 10:53.30 | jani | ZogG_laptop: same here. although i have tried to avoid using obs as much as possible. same things just does not make sense with it. |
| 10:54.06 | X-Fade | jani: It is just a clean sdk. Upload dsc and tarball, watch it build. How hard is that? |
| 10:54.41 | djszapi | X-Fade: I have all the official in scratchbox. |
| 10:55.15 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: i use QtCreator for that reaon, so i wouldn't bother to do it manually, the problem is that here it's scratchbox - so i need to apply certain changes |
| 10:55.34 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: just install clietn, it would install all as dependies |
| 10:55.35 | jani | X-Fade: i have not tried community obs, just the obs stuff our internal development had in the past and it was - for some reasons - pain in the bottom half for me. |
| 10:55.37 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: the manifest syntax is super simple. It is basically xml. |
| 10:56.16 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: I think I am getting lost. How can a community app be granted for more than allowed by Nokia proper ? |
| 10:56.18 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: yeah but i need to know what to write and not the aegis is the problem, but makng the whole package =) |
| 10:56.37 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: I can help with that when you need it. |
| 10:57.05 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: coz it's official community repo with it's own QA and it's the best thing to use for apps, as OVI sucks |
| 10:57.28 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: for now my app need polish, re-writtings, UI |
| 10:58.40 | ZogG_laptop | now i'm emberassed of my code |
| 10:59.28 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: I think what you do not understand is that Nokia decides the policies |
| 10:59.46 | djszapi | so such a policy package should come from Nokia source. What I can imagine is that it is not really there yet entirely. |
| 10:59.46 | X-Fade | djszapi: What is the problem then? |
| 11:00.02 | djszapi | X-Fade: the search query gives no results. |
| 11:00.10 | X-Fade | djszapi: Try on your device. |
| 11:00.17 | X-Fade | djszapi: How hard can it be :) |
| 11:00.33 | djszapi | X-Fade: I do not have a device here with me ? |
| 11:00.48 | djszapi | also, it should work in scratchbox anyway. |
| 11:01.07 | djszapi | since people might wanna package community apps in sb anyway |
| 11:01.28 | X-Fade | djszapi: http://pastie.org/3130396 |
| 11:01.45 | djszapi | I guess the nokia ovi source has higher trust level, so you cannot probably replace applications from Ovi. |
| 11:01.51 | djszapi | but I am just guessing about this. |
| 11:03.12 | djszapi | X-Fade: you are Niels Breet ? I now got your mail. Let me read it :) |
| 11:03.50 | X-Fade | djszapi: My mail? |
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| 11:04.10 | djszapi | yeah. |
| 11:04.30 | X-Fade | I did not write any mails recently? :) |
| 11:04.58 | djszapi | "haven't pushed that to any public repo yet" |
| 11:05.08 | djszapi | That is what Matti Airas wrote on the 28th of December |
| 11:05.24 | djszapi | On 23.12.2011 11:13, ext Niels Breet wrote: ... We now have a community source aegis policy available in the nokia... -> this mail. |
| 11:05.28 | X-Fade | Well it is there now. |
| 11:05.56 | alterego | Anyone know who the Quick Flickr author is? :) |
| 11:06.09 | X-Fade | My retail devices have the policy installed, so it works fine. |
| 11:06.33 | djszapi | I will check it out when it works in sb as well :) |
| 11:06.46 | jani | djszapi: like me for example ;) |
| 11:06.55 | X-Fade | djszapi: Why would it need to work in SB? |
| 11:07.05 | djszapi | because people package in sb ? |
| 11:07.19 | X-Fade | djszapi: Yes, but policy is only for installing/running? |
| 11:07.20 | djszapi | so if your refhashlist and others do not know about such policies, it will fail ? |
| 11:07.24 | djszapi | no... |
| 11:07.57 | X-Fade | djszapi: refhaslist takes top of the tree, right? |
| 11:08.03 | djszapi | I meant to say that, I always test my app locally anyway. |
| 11:08.08 | X-Fade | djszapi: Our root is also com.nokia.maemo. |
| 11:08.29 | djszapi | well, refhashlist cannot contain these things if there is no such a package for installation, right ;) |
| 11:08.57 | X-Fade | djszapi: Ovi packages only have com.nokia.maemo in them? |
| 11:09.14 | jonni | package is available in N9, its just not in SB repoes |
| 11:09.28 | X-Fade | Only for arm perhaps. |
| 11:09.37 | djszapi | I use arm at least. |
| 11:09.48 | jonni | its not in sb arm repo either |
| 11:09.58 | djszapi | that is what I experience, yes. |
| 11:10.10 | X-Fade | Nokia apps != sdk repo |
| 11:10.13 | djszapi | so I now have a partially "broken" scratchbox policy system :) |
| 11:10.33 | X-Fade | djszapi: Can you paste your sb sources list somewhere? |
| 11:11.13 | djszapi | X-Fade: I would not like to add anything manually. |
| 11:11.23 | djszapi | it should be available by default after an update as far as others are. |
| 11:11.25 | X-Fade | ^^ |
| 11:13.01 | djszapi | so if it is available in a custom repository: 1) Either, it is a wrong place 2) I need to understand why it cannot be there where the others are. |
| 11:13.06 | djszapi | or* |
| 11:13.39 | X-Fade | djszapi: Why don't you just answer my question :) |
| 11:17.58 | djszapi | because I would not like to give out internal information. |
| 11:18.15 | djszapi | can anyone answer that question with public sb target ? ^ |
| 11:18.21 | X-Fade | djszapi: How about you test with a released product ;) |
| 11:18.59 | djszapi | I think you know it is more work than needed (to maintain two separate targets properly). |
| 11:20.53 | djszapi | the other question is that whether or not it is documented somewhere ;) |
| 11:22.16 | djszapi | X-Fade: can you a give a link for this policy package ? |
| 11:36.01 | ZogG_laptop | does anyone used cache in qml? |
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| 11:40.58 | gri | cache in qml? |
| 11:44.35 | ZogG_laptop | gri: i have gridview |
| 11:44.37 | jonni | maybe wanting to use cache to make animations faster. but in reality in N9 using cache usually doesnt help. |
| 11:44.41 | ZogG_laptop | where images are the urls |
| 11:44.51 | ZogG_laptop | so every scroll they are redownloading |
| 11:45.23 | gri | ZogG_laptop: you mean cacheBuffer? |
| 11:45.51 | ZogG_laptop | probably |
| 11:46.02 | ZogG_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.16 | gri | I use cacheBuffer in ListViews and it works as expected |
| 11:46.24 | ZogG_laptop | i can do it manually with sme diir, but i want to know if there is built in qml option |
| 11:47.23 | gri | doesn't understand what you are asking |
| 11:47.39 | ZogG_laptop | gri: gridview has cache and cacheonChanged |
| 11:48.14 | djszapi | X-Fade: ok, I think I now understand the process of this. |
| 11:48.36 | gri | ZogG_laptop: I only have cacheBuffer but still miss the question? |
| 11:48.48 | X-Fade | djszapi: I requested for addition to sdk too. |
| 11:48.56 | ZogG_laptop | oh i has cachebuffer =) didn't compete it =\ |
| 11:49.05 | X-Fade | But you are right, it is not in there yet. |
| 11:55.29 | jussi | Where can I get source for harmattan? |
| 11:56.09 | jussi | and is there any images for pandaboard? Id like to have a play... :D |
| 11:56.32 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 11:56.38 | jonni | jussi: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/SDK_Sources_PR1.1.ISO |
| 11:56.41 | SpeedEvil | Harmattan has large slices of binary apps. |
| 11:56.51 | SpeedEvil | You can't install it on non-nokia hardware. (legally) |
| 11:57.00 | jussi | :( |
| 11:57.09 | djszapi | X-Fade: Nokia could give out all the credentials for the community policy. |
| 11:57.23 | alterego | Look in to Mer/Nemo |
| 11:57.45 | X-Fade | djszapi: We have the exact same as ovi. |
| 11:57.54 | jussi | alterego: right :) |
| 11:58.02 | djszapi | X-Fade: yes, but that is not enough for a community repository. |
| 11:58.18 | X-Fade | djszapi: Well, it is a first step. |
| 11:58.37 | X-Fade | djszapi: Already took a lot of energy. |
| 11:58.53 | djszapi | that is why we should not double the energy putting into it :) |
| 11:58.55 | djszapi | just ask once ;) |
| 11:59.31 | ZogG_laptop | gri: thanks it helped. now the question is how i add items one by one so it wouldn't try to download all images in once |
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| 12:00.23 | gri | ZogG_laptop: It doesn't load all images at once. The underlying classes only load a certain number of images at the same time |
| 12:00.57 | ZogG_laptop | gri: that's the problem, it download only few pics |
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| 12:02.31 | gri | Well, then wait until the screen has stopped flicking and set the source address by code for 5 items, listen for "status" change Ready,Loading,Error and if one changes to Ready or Error, give the source url to the next item |
| 12:02.41 | gri | (stupid approach but might work) |
| 12:06.37 | ZogG_laptop | gri QNetworkReplyImpl::_q_startOperation was called more than once |
| 12:06.48 | gri | ZogG_laptop: ignore that |
| 12:06.57 | ZogG_laptop | file:///opt/imgrup/qml/imgrup/Gallery.qml:127:13: QML Image: Connection closed |
| 12:06.57 | ZogG_laptop | i got a lot o those |
| 12:07.31 | ZogG_laptop | if i can first one, second one leads me to undownloaded images |
| 12:07.58 | gri | do you have something to reproduce it for me? |
| 12:08.17 | ZogG_laptop | you mean you want to try on code? |
| 12:11.52 | ZogG_laptop | gri: http://dpaste.org/IHfVu/ while data for instance "curl imgur.com/gallery/hot.json" |
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| 12:24.25 | jonni | atleast that cachebuffer value holds 0 delegates in memory as its too low |
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| 12:28.38 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: i thought it's 0 or 1 =) |
| 12:28.42 | djszapi | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ -> is the "unpatched openmode kernel" also open ? Why is there a "disable-aegis" patch ? What is available as "open" without that patch ? |
| 12:28.55 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: what do you think should be number |
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| 12:29.55 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: height of the delegate, ie 160, holds one line, 320 holds 2 extra images |
| 12:30.16 | gri | ZogG_laptop: With a little modifying your code works for me, it must be your data loading |
| 12:31.23 | ZogG_laptop | gri: it does work for me too, but they load slow and scrolling down and back - shows no images |
| 12:31.45 | gri | well, the scrolling is your cacheBuffer that must be bigger |
| 12:31.57 | gri | the slow loading is their server |
| 12:32.21 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: and migh want to consider using Loader insie the delegate if you want faste scrolling |
| 12:32.21 | ZogG_laptop | ok comp it loads fast |
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| 12:32.48 | jonni | inside, faster, even, losing keys :) |
| 12:36.10 | gri | ZogG_laptop: can't you load smaller images? |
| 12:36.37 | gri | you load images in their original size and scale them down in the list: 960px × 720px |
| 12:36.45 | gri | that's why loading is so slow |
| 12:40.07 | ZogG_laptop | gri found the solution =) |
| 12:40.15 | ZogG_laptop | they have thumbnails pictures |
| 12:40.40 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: can you give me an example of code with loader? |
| 12:43.33 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: hmm, dont know if I have good urls, but quick google search gives http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8450992/qml-how-can-i-pass-model-properties-to-a-delegate-loaded-inside-a-gridview-or |
| 12:52.56 | X-Fade | jani: You need to build against harmattan. |
| 12:56.55 | jani | X-Fade: Indeed :D |
| 12:57.20 | jani | but like i said, all the time i've tried to get familiar with obs, i've failed miserably. |
| 12:57.30 | X-Fade | Want me to add it? |
| 12:57.54 | jani | yes :D |
| 12:58.19 | X-Fade | jani: Add repository, advanced, type in harmattan, select MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan, tick armv7el |
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| 12:59.01 | hhartz | has anyone experienced processes still being alive after closing in recents view on N9? |
| 13:00.44 | jani | hhartz: depending on the app, yes .. |
| 13:01.15 | hhartz | jani: do you know what might be causing it, or can you suggest a strategy to debug the root cause? in my case the app should be closed down fully |
| 13:01.50 | jani | some apps are "pre-started" and the main process wont die .. but if you have your own application which doesnt utilize applauncher then it might be a different story.. |
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| 13:04.01 | hhartz | jani: probably not, it's launched using invoker.. it is using booster libs and it happens in a corner case |
| 13:04.54 | hhartz | jani: I'm a bit of a linux noob - but is there a way to see which files a process has open? |
| 13:05.24 | phako | hhartz: usually lsof or fuser. No idea if that's available on the device |
| 13:06.02 | hhartz | phako: excellent, lsof is there |
| 13:09.47 | X-Fade | jani: it complains that arch is empty? |
| 13:09.49 | auenf | hmm, should be able to use a symlink or hard link on /opt/ to increase app storage space? |
| 13:11.47 | jani | yeah, i was just wondering what causes that .. does that refer to debian/control:Architecture ? |
| 13:14.27 | X-Fade | jani: I wonder, I have not seen that before. |
| 13:14.42 | X-Fade | Let me get some lunch and ponder about that :) |
| 13:15.29 | jani | well, there's a kernel panic in the build log :D |
| 13:15.47 | X-Fade | yeah, but that is 'normal' :) |
| 13:16.02 | djszapi | why is it normal ? |
| 13:16.18 | X-Fade | qemu issue |
| 13:16.25 | X-Fade | xen/qemu |
| 13:17.20 | djszapi | and it cannot be workarounded, I guess ? |
| 13:17.38 | X-Fade | It does not matter, only creates ugly log. |
| 13:17.53 | X-Fade | But no qemu version I tried fixed it. |
| 13:17.58 | djszapi | that scares off certain people internally while asking for help, actually. |
| 13:17.59 | djszapi | hence asking. |
| 13:18.26 | X-Fade | One on the massive todo list ;) |
| 13:18.39 | djszapi | :) |
| 13:19.23 | djszapi | X-Fade: do you go to Brussels for FOSDEM ? |
| 13:19.34 | X-Fade | djszapi: yes |
| 13:19.52 | jani | what version of qemu there is ? |
| 13:20.46 | jani | i was sort of interested on fosdem too . dunno if its too late for me to get funding from company at this time.. puppet and mobile stuff would be interesting. |
| 13:21.00 | X-Fade | 0.14.0_rc1-1.4.2 |
| 13:22.08 | X-Fade | lunch, brb |
| 13:22.20 | djszapi | X-Fade: I am not sure I will go there, but I will make a shorter trip in case of yes, with Ultrecht, Eindhoven, Amsterdam involved :) |
| 13:33.32 | jani | X-Fade: i might have a clue now what it fails.. emphasis on the word might .. |
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| 13:39.47 | jani | wasnt it. |
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| 14:21.44 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: how i make page scrolabble so i can see whole image |
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| 14:37.50 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: Flickable element ? I am unsure, but I would go into that direction. |
| 14:38.11 | djszapi | if it is not a default set of the page components. |
| 14:38.49 | djszapi | but flicking is different to scrolling in a way. |
| 14:39.16 | djszapi | and I would expect scrolling as a default feature in a list and so on for instance. |
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| 14:40.08 | djszapi | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt4/qml-flickable.html?tab=1 -> There is actually an image example right away here. |
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| 14:55.56 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: tried that |
| 14:56.04 | ZogG_laptop | image i not even moving |
| 15:01.10 | hiemanshu | ZogG_laptop: did you set the contentwidth and contentheight correctly? |
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| 15:55.08 | ZogG_laptop | hiemanshu: should i set it to parent.width ? |
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| 16:13.53 | hiemanshu | ZogG_laptop: it has to be the width of the image |
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| 16:28.11 | Tuju | hoh, got n950 opened and found a battery inside, not the same size/model like in e71 but appears to charge in it anyway :-] |
| 16:28.26 | Tuju | maybe i finally get it flashed now |
| 16:32.00 | ZogG_laptop | hiemanshu: i just can move picture now |
| 16:32.16 | ZogG_laptop | but i can't scroll |
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| 16:45.14 | xmlich02 | hi, can one help with icon generator? http://apps.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/ |
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| 16:46.28 | ajalkane | ZogG_laptop: use clip: true |
| 16:46.43 | netadmin | hello |
| 16:46.46 | netadmin | all |
| 16:47.06 | netadmin | I using Nokia N900 and I re-install Maemo os. |
| 16:47.21 | netadmin | where is the maemo flasher 3.5 debian package? |
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| 16:50.09 | chris__ | hello, I'm developing for N9, how to start an app at boot? |
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| 16:55.13 | faenil | hi, GUYS |
| 16:55.15 | faenil | :D |
| 16:56.37 | beford | !flashing |
| 16:56.45 | faenil | not flashing? :) |
| 16:56.53 | beford | no, wrong channel ;C |
| 16:56.55 | beford | hi |
| 16:57.16 | faenil | :D |
| 16:57.18 | faenil | hi |
| 16:57.29 | merlin1991 | netadmin: head over to #maemo |
| 16:57.42 | netadmin | okay thank you |
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| 17:08.42 | chris__ | upstart start apps/mydaemon command doesnt work? |
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| 17:12.18 | djszapi | hi faenil :) |
| 17:12.47 | faenil | hey djszapi :) |
| 17:12.53 | Tuju | where i can find the latest mer? |
| 17:12.56 | faenil | need to talk to you :D |
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| 17:18.47 | Tuju | which firmware is the one that runs qt on n950? |
| 17:18.52 | Tuju | i'm confused |
| 17:19.03 | faenil | all of them? |
| 17:19.06 | Tuju | harmattan, meego, mer, nemo, whatelse? |
| 17:19.32 | Tuju | mer home page has some html5/JS comments, not sure is that native qt at all? |
| 17:19.53 | faenil | Official firmware is harmattan, and latest fw has Qt 4.7.4 |
| 17:20.09 | Tuju | okay... are those flasher images somehwere in the net? |
| 17:20.15 | chris__ | help, I get Failed to upload package: Failure |
| 17:20.21 | chris__ | cant upload to device |
| 17:20.27 | faenil | community firmware is based on Mer core and uses Nemo UX, and I'm not sure if it's already using 4.8 |
| 17:20.30 | chris__ | device connection test is passed |
| 17:20.36 | Tuju | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page |
| 17:21.09 | faenil | Tuju: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/ |
| 17:21.14 | Tuju | faenil: what is the thing everyone is using now? i'd prefer rpm based system. |
| 17:21.27 | faenil | harmattan uses .deb |
| 17:21.37 | Tuju | are those rpm based ones usable yet? |
| 17:22.51 | faenil | nemo should be based on rpm |
| 17:22.56 | Tuju | my device is bricked now so i guess anything would do... |
| 17:22.58 | faenil | it's got many issues |
| 17:23.03 | faenil | it's usable |
| 17:23.11 | faenil | but probably not as a daily phone yet |
| 17:23.16 | Tuju | hmm...maybe i should try that nemo... |
| 17:23.27 | Tuju | i know nuting about .deb |
| 17:23.34 | faenil | for example last release (which was today) has some problems with the keyboard |
| 17:23.37 | faenil | vkb |
| 17:23.47 | faenil | Tuju: ask on #nemomobile |
| 17:23.57 | Tuju | which flasher i'm supposed to use? flasher binary or that oneclickthingy? |
| 17:24.01 | RST38h | N9s in Nokia Store offer to upgrade to 40.x firmware |
| 17:24.21 | Tuju | faenil: just joined to neomobile... |
| 17:24.42 | faenil | oneclickthing |
| 17:26.45 | Tuju | faenil: ack |
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| 17:30.05 | chris__ | halp, postinst doesnt start my app |
| 17:32.57 | faenil | Tuju: you can ask what you need in nemomobile, don't feel ashamed ;) |
| 17:33.26 | Tuju | :) actually i got things going at this end already... |
| 17:33.38 | Tuju | next thing is to fry that moslo in |
| 17:33.52 | Tuju | i'm just wondering do i have enough juice it that batt already |
| 17:34.11 | Tuju | n950 wasn't able to charge it anymore once i bricked it |
| 17:34.33 | Tuju | and finding a torax screwdriver that would fit into those screws was really pita |
| 17:34.49 | faenil | :) |
| 17:35.30 | Tuju | local shop had something that i got it opened, and ordered a set of those for later delivery, i need to run it as cabriolet for few days |
| 17:35.47 | faenil | ahah |
| 17:36.51 | Tuju | Flashing kernel... Sending request 0x50 failed! |
| 17:36.53 | Tuju | Unable to get error strings: Broken pipe |
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| 17:38.37 | faenil | time to ask :) |
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| 17:48.13 | thp | did anyone try to compile and load kernel modules in harmattan? does it even work with aegis? i'd like to have joydev.ko |
| 18:11.23 | ajalkane | thp: AFAIK loading kernel modules does not work without open mode kernel |
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| 18:20.25 | jonni | ajalkane: it does work if you use the exploit in secure mode. |
| 18:22.38 | jonni | but by default only whitelisted kernelmodules are allowed in secure mode. |
| 18:22.44 | ajalkane | jonni: is this exploit guaranteed to be supported in up-coming firmwares? :) |
| 18:24.34 | jonni | ajalkane: exploit is fixed in upcoming firmwares, but if you apply the hole in pr1.0 or or pr1.1, and ota update to next version, then you still have the support. But if you need to ./flasher the device, then no. |
| 18:25.58 | ajalkane | jonni: thanks, interesting |
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| 18:57.17 | thp | jonni: but nobody stops you from downgrading to pr1.1, install the exploit and then upgrade to pr1.2? |
| 18:57.45 | jonni | thp: firmware downgrade is not possible |
| 18:58.26 | jonni | (if you dont have R&D cert) |
| 19:02.45 | Tuju | any idea why rootfs fails http://fpaste.org/rNaC/ on n950 ? |
| 19:05.01 | jonni | Tuju: lots of reasons can do that, corrupted .bin file, batterylevel too low, trying to downgrade etc. |
| 19:05.12 | jonni | Tuju: hardware error etc |
| 19:06.23 | Tuju | auts |
| 19:06.33 | Tuju | sounds fatal. |
| 19:07.10 | jonni | Tuju: or bad usb cable, bad usb port etc |
| 19:07.22 | Tuju | that device is quite unused and it used to work just fine before i did the OTA upgrade. |
| 19:07.37 | Tuju | jonni: i'm doing it through desktop display. |
| 19:07.48 | Tuju | maybe i should plug directly into computer. |
| 19:07.57 | jonni | Tuju: usually redownloading the installer, changing cable or usb port, or charging to 100% might help. |
| 19:08.05 | Tuju | ack |
| 19:08.26 | jonni | yeah most likely it will fail if you try through usb hub |
| 19:08.37 | Tuju | sounds like i'm not alone with this problem. :) |
| 19:12.53 | jonni | user error (tm) :) |
| 19:22.17 | Piru | hmm. any ideas how to force N9 to refresh image/music etc galleries? |
| 19:22.38 | Piru | I copied some old backup images back to the phone and it only "sees" the new photos |
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| 19:29.38 | Piru | ah lets try resetting the trackers database |
| 19:30.11 | Tuju | jonni: now it failed when conntected directly to desktop machine |
| 19:30.40 | jonni | Tuju: tuju whats the command that you used (that was missing in your paste) |
| 19:31.10 | Tuju | just: ./Linux_OCF_39-5_RM680-RM680-OEM1.bin |
| 19:31.48 | jonni | ah, and your old version was 39-5 too? |
| 19:31.57 | Tuju | i've no idea |
| 19:32.53 | jonni | and you removed devicelock before flashing? |
| 19:32.54 | Piru | tracker-control -r I guess |
| 19:33.17 | Tuju | jonni: can't do anything to it once it got bricked with OTA upgrade. |
| 19:33.46 | jonni | Tuju: ah ok, so you have older version before, and then ota updated, and now trying with flasher |
| 19:33.56 | faenil | Toju: you said you were on 22-6 |
| 19:34.01 | Tuju | could not even charge it. I had to remove batt and charge it in e71 before it even started. |
| 19:34.12 | Tuju | faenil: no i didn't :) |
| 19:34.22 | jonni | Tuju: then its mostlikely the usb cable, or usb1 vs usb2 port |
| 19:34.27 | faenil | maybe I read it from one of the logs you posted |
| 19:34.30 | Piru | okay. lets see what happens |
| 19:34.39 | Tuju | jonni: it was the n950 shipped release, OTA upgraded and now trying to oneclickthingy |
| 19:34.41 | faenil | if I were you, I'd try flashing with 34 fw |
| 19:35.00 | Piru | Updating library |
| 19:35.02 | Piru | yay :) |
| 19:35.23 | Tuju | so 39-5 is the latest? |
| 19:35.34 | jonni | yep 39-5 is latest |
| 19:35.47 | ieatlint | i'm running 53-2 actually |
| 19:35.53 | ieatlint | adds all sorts of awesome features |
| 19:36.06 | Tuju | and assuming that when it doesn't ask anything, i need to use flasher tool to flash 34? |
| 19:36.23 | faenil | ieatlint: I never got how that works |
| 19:36.32 | faenil | you need a special device to test internal firmwares? |
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| 19:36.48 | ajalkane | I hope that 53-2 has Silverlight support so that we can at last target both Lumia and N9 with single code base. |
| 19:36.54 | faenil | Tuju: you need to look for 34 oneclickflasher |
| 19:36.59 | faenil | another 500+mb package |
| 19:36.59 | ieatlint | faenil: depends |
| 19:37.08 | ieatlint | for true internal images, yes |
| 19:37.08 | jonni | ieatlint: and if you happen to talk about coming features in public, it gets you fired :) |
| 19:37.10 | Piru | so if anyone needs to force harmattan to rescan all media libraries this appears to help (as root): tracker-control -r && tracker-control -s ... okay slighty evil as this will zap all the existing db.. if someone has better "softer" ways to do it, please chime in |
| 19:37.31 | ieatlint | but there are also "internal" images made for distribution to 3rd parties/partners |
| 19:37.39 | Tuju | faenil: where those are located? |
| 19:37.48 | Piru | obviously the phone will churn at 100% cpu load for quite a while now |
| 19:38.03 | ajalkane | faenil: Offtopic: what application you use on Lumia 800 for gTalk? |
| 19:38.22 | ieatlint | jonni: not necessarily |
| 19:38.36 | faenil | ajalkane: I heard there is Flory...haven't tried it yet |
| 19:38.36 | ieatlint | the next version adds gtk, which i was surprised about |
| 19:38.47 | faenil | Tuju: you need to look for it :) |
| 19:38.51 | ieatlint | but the widgets aren't stylized.. so it just looks wrong |
| 19:39.21 | faenil | Tuju: Nokia doesn't keep older versions on their website |
| 19:39.22 | ajalkane | faenil: I've tried Gchat+, but it doesn't seem to work too well. Not interested to buy anything, but it's essential for me to try the phone. |
| 19:39.43 | faenil | flory is free |
| 19:39.48 | Tuju | faenil: i'm not surprised. |
| 19:39.55 | ajalkane | faenil: ok thanks, I'll give it a spin |
| 19:40.15 | faenil | I'm downloading it too :) |
| 19:40.30 | ajalkane | Except I can't find any application named flory from market place. Okay enough off-topic. |
| 19:40.45 | faenil | exactly, me neither :( |
| 19:42.13 | Tuju | faenil: it would help to know the actual file name, do you happen to have it around somewhere? |
| 19:42.55 | faenil | ajalkane: seems like its devs have stopped working on it... http://www.wpcentral.com/flory-im-hits-21-last-and-final-version |
| 19:42.57 | faenil | end of OT |
| 19:43.03 | faenil | Tuju: gimme a sec |
| 19:43.29 | Tuju | Linux_OCF_34-2_EMMC_RM680-OEM1-916.bin |
| 19:43.37 | faenil | right |
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| 19:47.16 | ajalkane | faenil: okay sucks |
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| 19:48.14 | faenil | ajalkane: octrotalk |
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| 19:56.00 | twoboxen | all... my n950 does not show applications as installed any more... if i click on an application that is installed (in the store) it does show updates there. Does anyone know how to fix this? Nothing I tried worked, so I was going to reflash. |
| 19:57.43 | gri | "Have you tried turning it off and on again?" :D |
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| 19:58.07 | ieatlint | that only works with production servers |
| 19:58.32 | faenil | gri: lol |
| 20:07.20 | javispedro | jonni: even if you talk about new features that are in the open development components, you get fired? :) |
| 20:10.38 | twoboxen | i don't run IIS on my phone :) |
| 20:11.34 | jonni | javispedro: open development is open development, but one cannot comment if any of that development is or is not coming to specific pr release :) |
| 20:12.19 | twoboxen | Are you gents running the open mode kernel already/ |
| 20:12.42 | twoboxen | qole always has me craving easy debian actually working now :) |
| 20:12.45 | javispedro | notes the rather large number of git heads that match *pr_1_2* or *pr12* or ... =) |
| 20:13.27 | faenil | I'd say we have to wait until february at least, for 1.2 |
| 20:15.06 | twoboxen | is there a feature tracker somewhere for 1.2? |
| 20:16.39 | jonni | nope |
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| 20:23.23 | twoboxen | Would it be possible to flash the harmattan image of the n9 onto the lumia 800? |
| 20:24.17 | RST38h | no |
| 20:25.10 | javispedro | of course it is, you just need the right flasher |
| 20:25.19 | javispedro | like this one http://www.instructables.com/image/FRVOB4EF6S8RXK1/The-flasher.jpg |
| 20:25.30 | javispedro | then, some lamps, a bit of paper, a printer |
| 20:25.35 | twoboxen | javispedro: lol |
| 20:25.59 | twoboxen | so you'll also need a good 12V line |
| 20:26.14 | twoboxen | likely a torque wrench |
| 20:26.21 | gri | faenil: I thought all linux guys at nokia already left ... who is doing 1.2? :D |
| 20:27.04 | RST38h | gri: three contractors and acow |
| 20:27.08 | twoboxen | they should change tizen course and move to oswebos |
| 20:27.35 | twoboxen | i wonder if intel is considering that |
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| 20:31.08 | faenil | gri: lol |
| 20:31.18 | faenil | gri: nah they're working :D |
| 20:31.23 | faenil | hope so xD |
| 20:34.10 | gri | faenil: I thought you don't care about harmattan anymore since you fell in love with wp7? :D |
| 20:35.00 | faenil | I have always loved wp7's UI |
| 20:35.07 | faenil | harmattan's nowhere near that smoothness |
| 20:35.20 | faenil | still, N950/N9 is my hacking/devving/modding gadget :D |
| 20:35.26 | faenil | it's the one I play with :P |
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| 20:52.05 | Aranel_N9 | Anyone else noticed that sometimes incoming SMS doesn't trigger a notification sound/vibration/even pop-up but N9 silently saves it to messages app, marked unread but doesn't notify you? |
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| 21:05.52 | faenil | YES |
| 21:05.58 | faenil | SO . ANNOYING |
| 21:05.59 | faenil | :D |
| 21:09.45 | ieatlint | i've not had that |
| 21:12.06 | Aranel_N9 | faenil: annoying? say it to me. I've listened a half an hour lecture from my girlfriend for not answering in time to her "omgyoudidntanswerme" spam :| |
| 21:12.18 | faenil | ahaha XD |
| 21:12.51 | ieatlint | sounds like you have more issues than failing to get an sms notification :P |
| 21:13.15 | twoboxen | sounds like a feature to me |
| 21:13.28 | Aranel_N9 | twoboxen: it would be if it dropped calls too |
| 21:18.07 | gri | I don't even answer in time when I see the notification |
| 21:19.25 | jreznik | twoboxen: +1 :) |
| 21:20.13 | jreznik | n9 <-> and my gf veer comunication is sometimes fun :) aka I sent you a message two hours ago, really? noo, ah, yes :) |
| 21:22.18 | Aranel_N9 | well she has a rule set (herself), if she got the delivery report, I'm up to blame. |
| 21:22.34 | gri | that's a stupid rule |
| 21:22.39 | ieatlint | so turn off delivery reports |
| 21:22.55 | twoboxen | sounds like you need an upgrade. to the gf, not the n9 |
| 21:23.11 | gri | my gf knows I will reply in 1-4 hours when she gets the delivery report |
| 21:23.16 | Aranel_N9 | can I? afaik she gets the delivery report if my device downloads it off the GSM network |
| 21:23.39 | ieatlint | err, yes, i confused the "receive delivery reports" option with "send" |
| 21:24.16 | Aranel_N9 | twoboxen: bug filed on my lifezilla. |
| 21:24.21 | twoboxen | lol |
| 21:24.35 | gri | wontfix |
| 21:24.59 | ieatlint | i had that bug once... it was fixed in the next version though |
| 21:25.00 | Aranel_N9 | gri: does she have a sister? |
| 21:25.30 | twoboxen | a newer model |
| 21:25.37 | twoboxen | slimmer, too |
| 21:25.45 | gri | Aranel_N9: my gf? Yes, but the sister is a police officer and I don't like them :P |
| 21:26.00 | Aranel_N9 | I usually have ten minutes to answer before alarms go off |
| 21:26.44 | marsje | how hard is it to make an app to automatically repsonds to an sms from your gf? |
| 21:26.45 | faenil | gri: when you have time, pm :) |
| 21:27.02 | ieatlint | marsje: shouldn't be too hard i think |
| 21:27.25 | marsje | so you can say: I love you so much I responded in 52 milliseconds |
| 21:27.51 | ieatlint | yes, because feeding that particular beast is a good idea |
| 21:27.56 | Aranel_N9 | well question is, how hard would be to notice it for her |
| 21:28.16 | Aranel_N9 | maybe a chatbot? :| |
| 21:29.03 | marsje | yeah, this way you are both happy |
| 21:29.42 | marsje | but then soon she will require spontaneous smss from you |
| 21:30.09 | ieatlint | sounds like you've got a great "codependent sms" app to write |
| 21:30.58 | marsje | :) |
| 21:31.06 | marsje | the only thing I miss is a gf |
| 21:31.34 | marsje | but the demand for the app will be so great, that I will be rich and women would be lining up |
| 21:31.48 | Aranel_N9 | I'd pay without hesitation |
| 21:32.01 | ieatlint | yes, money is a great way to attract women that you want to date |
| 21:32.30 | Aranel_N9 | extra if it doesnt make random marriage proposals or stuff like that |
| 21:32.45 | ieatlint | hahaha |
| 21:33.07 | Tuju | okay, now all three oneclickflashers fail, what next? |
| 21:33.29 | ieatlint | have it check in on facebook at a jewelry store and send an sms to her with "i have something really important i want to talk about at dinner tonight" |
| 21:34.39 | ieatlint | i have the opposite relationship with my girlfriend... i use a marriage proposal as a threat, and it works every time |
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| 21:35.06 | Aranel_N9 | well we're on the "give me your facebook pw or your soul" stage now, not to marriage yet. |
| 21:35.22 | ieatlint | i fear for you |
| 21:36.04 | faenil | so do I... |
| 21:36.50 | Aranel_N9 | well not everyone is as lucky as you guys. I'll get her a pair of "+5 gloves of deep understanding" or something like that on her birthday |
| 21:37.11 | ieatlint | haha |
| 21:37.18 | ieatlint | i'm not lucky, just have other issues |
| 21:37.43 | ieatlint | enough issues that my friends have warned me -- without joking, that they would hold an intervention if i ever seriously considered marrying her |
| 21:37.44 | Aranel_N9 | or I'll get myself a dumbphone to answer her messages all day, like a highschool boy |
| 21:39.38 | Aranel_N9 | yay got another sms now, it's so long I have to swipe to read o.O |
| 21:40.01 | Aranel_N9 | I'll just paste this channel log to harmattan-bugs, I am sure they'll understand and fix it asap. |
| 21:43.11 | twoboxen | I had a lot of shitty gfs before I met my wife |
| 21:43.27 | twoboxen | Just find someone that lets you be you. If she doesn't, you have a rough life ahead |
| 21:44.52 | faenil | is anyone here iOS programmer? |
| 21:44.55 | faenil | need to ask one thing :D |
| 21:45.03 | twoboxen | yes |
| 21:45.06 | faenil | I'm porting from iOS to Qt |
| 21:45.31 | faenil | ok, when you have UIRotationGestureRecognizer, and you ask for locationInView |
| 21:45.36 | faenil | which location does it retunr? |
| 21:45.43 | faenil | centre? first finger? second finger? |
| 21:46.05 | twoboxen | any time you deal with touches it will be a collection you can query |
| 21:46.13 | twoboxen | however, you're dealing with gestures |
| 21:46.17 | faenil | yes |
| 21:46.20 | faenil | 2 fingers |
| 21:46.27 | twoboxen | depends on the gesture, but yeah :) |
| 21:46.31 | faenil | locationInView returns one point |
| 21:46.34 | faenil | which one?.. |
| 21:46.37 | twoboxen | so normally it'd dependent... probably the average |
| 21:46.49 | twoboxen | which would be the effective spot of the gesture movement |
| 21:47.03 | twoboxen | easy to test |
| 21:47.14 | faenil | well ok I guess the centre, but wanted to know if anyone could confirm that |
| 21:47.17 | twoboxen | just draw a circle in the view at that point |
| 21:47.20 | faenil | easy to test if you have mac and iphone :) |
| 21:47.26 | twoboxen | lol |
| 21:47.28 | twoboxen | one second |
| 21:47.32 | faenil | thanks :D |
| 21:49.56 | twoboxen | as i suspected: "You may determine the location where a swipe began by calling the UIGestureRecognizer methods locationInView: and locationOfTouch:inView:. The former method gives you the centroid if more than one touch was involved in the gesture; the latter gives the location of a particular touch." |
| 21:50.09 | twoboxen | centroid |
| 21:50.13 | faenil | good, so Qt's centre :) |
| 21:50.19 | faenil | thanks :) |
| 21:50.22 | twoboxen | np |
| 21:50.39 | faenil | where did you read that anyway? |
| 21:50.47 | faenil | I may need more info :D |
| 21:50.50 | twoboxen | http://developer.apple.com/library/IOs/#documentation/UIKit/Reference/UISwipeGestureRecognizer_Class/Reference/Reference.html |
| 21:51.03 | faenil | on the swipe gesture... |
| 21:51.05 | faenil | -.- |
| 21:51.06 | faenil | XD |
| 21:51.16 | twoboxen | it's the same uigesturerecognizer you are querying |
| 21:51.28 | twoboxen | it's just a different resultant event emitted |
| 21:51.51 | faenil | yeah I know |
| 21:51.58 | faenil | I looked in UIRotationGestureRecognizer |
| 21:52.06 | twoboxen | yeah, lackluster docs |
| 21:53.56 | twoboxen | I yearn for the open kernel on this device |
| 21:54.00 | twoboxen | not an aegis fan :( |
| 21:56.02 | faenil | :) |
| 21:56.53 | nibbler | well, who is. |
| 22:01.50 | twoboxen | John Q. Aegis |
| 22:04.27 | ieatlint | aegis fits in with nokia's new motto: "Well, it sounded like a good idea" |
| 22:05.09 | twoboxen | I thought their new motto was, "whatever you say, Steve" |
| 22:06.10 | twoboxen | or "let's do as Apple does. Appeal to the most basic consumer that exists. Power users be damned." |
| 22:07.00 | twoboxen | This bug where updates don't show up in the application manager is damn annoying. I'll wait for PR1.2 before reflash, i s'pose. Perhaps i will also flash open kernel them |
| 22:07.34 | ieatlint | i'm told there will definitely be a pr1.2, but i wonder how long the wait will be |
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| 22:13.58 | Aranel_N9 | ieatlint: I hardly think any motto better fits to a company =) |
| 22:16.12 | javispedro | hm |
| 22:16.29 | javispedro | wasn't sshd_config aegis protected? |
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| 22:17.34 | javispedro | ah no, it was the upstart job file |
| 22:20.44 | ieatlint | yeah, as is my impression, the n9 is selling better than the lumia 800 |
| 22:20.54 | ieatlint | but that's not based on facts |
| 22:21.02 | faenil | eh |
| 22:21.09 | ieatlint | just my impression |
| 22:21.19 | ajalkane | I gots same impression. |
| 22:21.45 | ajalkane | Of course, my impression might be somewhat clouded by the fact that Finland doesn't have Lumia yet on sale. |
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| 22:24.30 | ieatlint | haha, you can't get the lumia in finland? |
| 22:24.57 | ieatlint | the cheaper lumia is about to go on sale in the US, and that will probably be a good indicator |
| 22:24.58 | ajalkane | of course not. |
| 22:25.24 | ajalkane | Elop is trying to get us fins to get used to the idea its an american company now. |
| 22:25.47 | ieatlint | you're welcome :) |
| 22:26.08 | ajalkane | A good old fashioned butt-rape is always a pleasure |
| 22:26.26 | ieatlint | and us yanks do it so well |
| 22:26.54 | ajalkane | Ballmer is pretty good at it at least. |
| 22:27.16 | ajalkane | Although I'm not sure if it worked as intended, as I much rather have the N9 on sale and am not missing Lumia |
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| 22:28.33 | ajalkane | Of course having Lumia 800 sitting on my desk further enforces my opinion. I've used it basically just to play Fruit Ninja. |
| 22:28.54 | ajalkane | And browsing the web when the N950 is recharging |
| 22:30.16 | ieatlint | i use mind to underwhelm friends and colleagues who haven't seen wp7 yet, but have heard "good things" |
| 22:30.26 | ieatlint | er, mine.. |
| 22:30.48 | ajalkane | I dunno, it looks good, is smooth, might make a |
| 22:30.51 | ajalkane | n impression |
| 22:31.03 | ieatlint | that's their first impression, then they try to use it |
| 22:31.03 | ajalkane | but I don't like using it so far. |
| 22:31.08 | ajalkane | yeah |
| 22:31.46 | ieatlint | the wp7 is just an iphone knock off... first they copied the iphone's lack of copy/paste support, then the copied the iphones copy/paste support |
| 22:32.00 | ieatlint | now they've copied their so-called multitasking |
| 22:32.14 | ieatlint | and requirement that you install a special software suite in order to get music onto it |
| 22:32.21 | ajalkane | Yeah, the UX is plenty different. But they copied all the stupid restrictions. |
| 22:32.52 | ajalkane | What am I going to do with a phone I can't transfer stuff from Linux into? |
| 22:33.23 | ajalkane | Answer is of course play games, and it's a pretty nice game console. |
| 22:33.27 | javispedro | someone has offered me swapping the lumia800 for another n900 :) |
| 22:33.28 | ieatlint | also, try loading up the nokia drive app on the lumia and the n9, side by side... i find the n9 noticeably faster/smoother, despite the alleged cpu performance boost in the lumia |
| 22:34.05 | ajalkane | ieatlint: yeah... but MS Maps is very smooth on the other hand. Nokia Maps is slow. |
| 22:34.05 | javispedro | ieatlint: now do the same with the nokia maps ... it's so slow on the lumia it seems it downloads the tiles from the www |
| 22:34.24 | ieatlint | javispedro: it is downloading the tiles |
| 22:34.33 | javispedro | pft, waste of space. |
| 22:34.46 | ieatlint | ajalkane: nokia maps is slow because it has a mapping engine with it all cached locally |
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| 22:35.03 | ieatlint | MS maps is faster because it's basically just doing the task of a web browser |
| 22:35.41 | ieatlint | (note that's not necessarily a criticism.. sometimes i just want a map instantly and don't give a fuck if it has to download it on the fly) |
| 22:35.44 | ajalkane | ieatlint: I don't really understand the technical reason why that would have to mean Nokia maps has to be dog slow. |
| 22:35.54 | ajalkane | But on the other hand, I don't have to understand. |
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| 22:46.46 | jani | qml version bump would make n9 alot more responsive in certain apps, for example maps .. |
| 22:48.10 | ajalkane | maps uses qml? |
| 22:48.49 | ajalkane | most stock apps on harmy use meegotouch |
| 22:49.20 | ajalkane | My biggest gripe is the very slow start up of QML based applications on harmy |
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| 22:50.34 | jani | ajalkane: afaik, twitter, facebook, maps atleast where qml apps .. |
| 22:51.26 | ajalkane | twitter and facebook I knew, maps is a nice surprise. Figured it'd be such old code that it won't be qml |
| 22:52.29 | ajalkane | what qml version has the speed improvements? We don't have to wait for Qt 5? |
| 22:53.02 | ieatlint | i imagine maps is qgraphicsview |
| 22:53.15 | ieatlint | and that it's already rendering vector based maps via opengl |
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| 22:54.43 | jani | ieatlint: qt-components in depends for maps package .. so qt-quick == qml . . right ? |
| 22:55.32 | ieatlint | yes, but i refuse to believe they're rendering maps in qml like that |
| 22:56.08 | jani | and totally offtopic comment nothing to do harmattan: how on earth can a modern day linux distro ship without a tool to configure keyboard layout?! |
| 22:58.03 | jani | ieatlint: i wasnt really saying that either .. just the ui components |
| 22:59.10 | ieatlint | dunno, i don't see any components i recognize in it |
| 22:59.58 | jani | would it help to say that i worked 3½ years on harmattan project and maps is definetly not using meegotouch ;) |
| 23:00.19 | ieatlint | sure, but my assertion was that it used qgraphicsview, not qml |
| 23:00.26 | ieatlint | or mtf |
| 23:04.35 | jani | a fact: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components <- has a runtime dependency for that . can't say if its "real" qml or something else but its definetly used within maps .. .. that or some idiot package maintainer =) |
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| 23:07.26 | bkre_home | ieatlint: qml is also based on QGraphicsView (it's not 100% correct, I should better say: The QDeclarativeItems in 4.x are based on QGraphicItems ;) ) |
| 23:08.45 | bkre_home | You can find the qml files for maps somewhere in /usr/libs/maps or /usr/share/maps, if I remember the location correctly |
| 23:09.31 | jani | indeed. |
| 23:12.33 | ieatlint | bkre_home: yes, but it's not the same |
| 23:12.55 | ieatlint | i'm ready to admit i'm wrong and it is qml based, but i'll be surprised |
| 23:13.00 | ieatlint | will look at those locations... |
| 23:13.51 | jani | fire up a shell and do dpkg-query -L maps ;) |
| 23:15.21 | ieatlint | interesting... looks like the UI bit is qml indeed |
| 23:15.35 | javispedro | maps and drive are qml indeed |
| 23:15.43 | ieatlint | but based on a quick look, they created a maps import that i'll then assume does the maps themselves |
| 23:16.00 | javispedro | there's some common qml map component that is "private" to them but is a thousand times better than the qt mobility one |
| 23:16.03 | ieatlint | because if they're actually rendering maps in qml... i'll be somewhat impessed, and also understand why it's slow |
| 23:17.35 | javispedro | ieatlint: nah, rendering is obviously native, libmos |
| 23:18.26 | ieatlint | yeah, that's why i was convinced it wasn't qml at all |
| 23:20.38 | bkre_home | the facebook app has also some C++ backend code; most apps are mixing, some more, some less |
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| 23:21.47 | ajalkane | I pity the fool that don't mix. |
| 23:21.48 | javispedro | I'd say that most apps are MTF/C++ ;P |
| 23:22.31 | jani | yeah, most apps use mtf but some do mix the stuff with qml too |
| 23:23.22 | ajalkane | It'd be nice to see some tutorial how to mix MTF components into QML application. It'd be nice to use for example the analog clock selection dialog from QML apps |
| 23:25.00 | jani | ajalkane: http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/mixing-qml-and-meegotouch/ ? |
| 23:26.17 | jani | dunno if thats enough to mix mtf components to same app but atleast if you use separate windows it should work .. |
| 23:27.09 | javispedro | vgba from RST38h does it |
| 23:27.10 | ajalkane | jani: thanks. One does lose the boostable stuff with that solution though, if I understand correctly. Not sure if the boostable has much difference though, I haven't seen much anyway. |
| 23:29.22 | jani | that goes beyond my knowledge |
| 23:31.57 | ajalkane | anyone familiar with this QUiLoader class: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt4/quiloader.html?tab=0 |
| 23:32.47 | ajalkane | It says "The QUiLoader class provides a collection of functions allowing you to create widgets based on the information stored in UI files (created with Qt Designer) or available in the specified plugin paths." |
| 23:33.01 | ajalkane | I wonder if that could be used to access MTF widgets from QML? |
| 23:35.41 | javispedro | that is probably from QtGui, not MTF or QML |
| 23:36.45 | ajalkane | Yeah, would have been too easy. There was just this one code example that got my hopes up " if (availableWidgets.contains("AnalogClock"))" |
| 23:37.19 | javispedro | analogclock is the classical qtgui example custom widget :) |
| 23:38.08 | ajalkane | I saw that with googling. Another victory for pessimism trumps optimism :) |
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| 23:39.54 | ieatlint | you shouldn't mix qml with any qwidgets as i understand |
| 23:40.25 | ieatlint | things written using qgraphicsitem and such are able to be used |
| 23:40.53 | ieatlint | but putting a qwidget into qml will make it render the widget via raster and then paint it in... it'll be slow |
| 23:41.17 | ieatlint | you can also make a mtf application and have a qdeclarativeview inside it that shows your qml |
| 23:42.05 | jani | well, mtf doesnt base on qwidgets .. |
| 23:42.25 | ajalkane | okay, good to know. I have quite non-existent understanding of the qgraphics*/qdeclarative* workings, mostly done just QWidget stuff before Harmy. |
| 23:42.47 | ieatlint | oh, indeed |
| 23:42.52 | ajalkane | I guess I was expecting or hoping it's all based on QWidgets |
| 23:42.53 | ieatlint | so yeah, it should be possible :P |
| 23:44.41 | jani | nah, its all qgraphics* stuff .. qwidget was avoided because that we could do better rendering engine. |
| 23:44.50 | jani | going afk now for a while. |
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