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| 00:41.45 | npm | more aquamarine than blue, but yes |
| 00:42.25 | npm | grays turn into green |
| 00:42.48 | javispedro | I find it less noticeable on darky backgrounds |
| 00:42.53 | javispedro | but e.g. on mail app it's horrible |
| 00:43.26 | javispedro | and yeah, aquamarine, I concur |
| 00:45.14 | npm | well here's why, off the top of my head |
| 00:45.31 | npm | the white color is made from red/green/blue led's on all at once |
| 00:45.50 | npm | at an angle, the reds have to travel through more glass and are dimmer, making the greens brighter |
| 00:46.21 | npm | red and infrared are attenuated by glass, so a ray going diagonally across thick screen would attenuate more |
| 00:46.28 | npm | that is my theory |
| 00:48.14 | npm | the huge irony of this phone is that i can't login to my microsoft live account, but everything else works great :-) |
| 00:49.33 | npm | although i find it even more overresponsive to accidental clicks while flicking/sliding/swiping than the n950 |
| 00:49.56 | npm | and i'd still prefer an n9, esp a 64 g one :-) |
| 00:50.07 | javispedro | who wouldn't |
| 00:50.20 | npm | an iphone fanatic? |
| 00:50.28 | javispedro | you mean an wp7 fanatic ;P |
| 00:50.54 | npm | i'd take the lumia 800 over an iphone 4s anyday though |
| 00:51.50 | npm | and i'm still waiting for my ambassador c7, but then again, i need to stop wriging software, playing with wp, and start shooting video |
| 00:52.32 | npm | strangely enough, i had nothing that would do good macro of my n950 till now :-) so i guess i can get back to ambassidating |
| 00:54.26 | npm | oh, one other thing, they wasted 54 pixels of space on static buttons :-{) |
| 00:54.58 | npm | but i guess led's are expensive |
| 01:06.37 | npm | because every app needs it's own built in webserver http://nielsmayer.com/voicetogoog/embedded-webserver-on-harmattan-displaying-in-firefox-on-something-siri-wont-answer.png |
| 01:10.52 | npm | (redoing... file will be back in a few) |
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| 01:21.50 | auenf | heh, wasted 54 pixels |
| 01:22.07 | auenf | more like wasted 54x480 pixels? |
| 01:37.50 | npm | ok this instead http://nielsmayer.com/voicetogoog/embedded-webserver-on-harmattan-displaying-in-firefox.png |
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| 02:54.00 | pawky | Isn't there a precompiled openmode kernel pr1.1 available? |
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| 03:19.43 | sujik | Hi I was looking at http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=22 and I was wondering, is it possible to get open mode without getting the warranty void message? is it really something modified or just a scary message? |
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| 03:23.18 | sujik | what does MALF stand for? |
| 03:53.24 | luke-jr | sujik: it's just a scary message. |
| 03:53.50 | luke-jr | sujik: BUT, you may need to be prepared to sue Nokia for your warranty |
| 04:00.05 | arekinath | or whinge really loudly |
| 04:03.17 | luke-jr | heh |
| 04:04.43 | arekinath | I hear sending elop emails actually gets a response sometimes |
| 04:14.17 | ieatlint | probably not the ones that just scream "WHY?!" though |
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| 04:42.06 | ieatlint | yay, package arrived today and now i have 3x n9 and a n950 on my lap |
| 04:43.46 | luke-jr | ieatlint: how'd you get N950 so late? |
| 04:49.06 | ieatlint | i didn't |
| 04:49.12 | ieatlint | i got another n9 |
| 04:49.20 | ieatlint | i already had 2x n9 and an n950 |
| 04:49.29 | ieatlint | but this ia 64gb n9 |
| 05:10.18 | luke-jr | i c |
| 05:10.25 | luke-jr | I have a 64 GB N900 |
| 05:21.03 | hiemanshu | ieatlint: what are you doing with 3 N9s? give us poor college students one :P |
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| 05:26.24 | luke-jr | hiemanshu: why? |
| 05:26.44 | luke-jr | college student = fooled into government-backed scam too easily |
| 05:27.31 | hiemanshu | luke-jr: we college students are poor and dont have monies for shiny hardware |
| 05:28.34 | luke-jr | you're poor because you let people scam you. and then you convince yourself it was worth it. |
| 05:29.39 | hiemanshu | haha, well no |
| 05:29.52 | luke-jr | yes |
| 05:30.00 | luke-jr | nothing good comes out of colleges. |
| 05:30.02 | luke-jr | anymore. |
| 05:30.30 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, that's not ENTIRELY true. |
| 05:30.47 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: not entirely maybe, but generally it is |
| 05:30.49 | GeneralAntilles | There are still a few hold-out departments that aren't completely worthless. |
| 05:31.12 | GeneralAntilles | I'd argue the engineering and mathematics colleges on most campuses are OK. |
| 05:31.42 | luke-jr | I'd argue the only people who learn from them, would learn better on their own |
| 05:32.18 | GeneralAntilles | There's a certain truth to that |
| 05:32.39 | GeneralAntilles | Although there's also the whole "being able to work and learn with other people aspect" |
| 05:33.04 | luke-jr | meh, who needs other people <.< |
| 05:33.34 | hiemanshu | luke-jr: a person with a life |
| 05:33.36 | hiemanshu | runs |
| 05:34.12 | luke-jr | hiemanshu: the correct answer is "women" |
| 05:34.15 | luke-jr | ducks |
| 05:34.33 | hiemanshu | haha |
| 05:34.40 | GeneralAntilles | You'd be much better off putting $80k into a small business than 4 years at any University. |
| 05:35.15 | luke-jr | for sure. |
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| 08:16.40 | ieatlint | apparently i looked away and missed drama |
| 08:16.58 | ieatlint | and i can't give n9s out |
| 08:19.58 | ieatlint | also, re the anti-college rant, that attitude about college being useless isn't true |
| 08:20.15 | ieatlint | the issue is people getting degrees in subjects that aren't useful to employers |
| 08:20.33 | ieatlint | at least, i don't see anyone with a computer science degree bemoaning how they wasted their time |
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| 09:11.21 | SpeedEvil | Even with useless degrees, there is a networking effect that can be valid in some cases. |
| 09:11.35 | SpeedEvil | But I do strongly qurstion if it's worth 4 years of your life. |
| 09:31.20 | frals | GeneralAntilles: well, uni around here is free so the money aspect isnt valid here ;o |
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| 11:34.46 | pawky | merry christmass to you all.. :-) |
| 11:35.33 | pawky | and now to something completely different. I am thinking of putting in the openmode kernel, but I want it to be ther like, forever. If i put it in do i get some kind of dual boot or similar? |
| 11:36.55 | pawky | reading up on things a bit, people are talking about having to actively choose to run the openmode kernel, but I don't want to choose, it should be there for an eternity to come. |
| 11:40.58 | dm8tbr | then you'd just flash it instead of loading it |
| 11:43.46 | pawky | ok... |
| 11:43.58 | pawky | and which one is it one should use... the... unpached? |
| 11:44.27 | pawky | i think someone told me its kind of reversed... the unpatched is the one without aegis, and the other is... something |
| 11:44.45 | pawky | and, how about that opensh? thats a powerkernel without aegis as well? |
| 11:45.19 | pawky | and, last questions... will data be preserved or will the phone be reset when flashing the kernel? |
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| 11:50.41 | dm8tbr | pawky: no idea about these |
| 11:51.14 | pawky | dm8tbr: have you flashed it? |
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| 12:48.27 | ejasmudar | hello |
| 12:48.42 | ejasmudar | i need some help in migrating from n900 to n9 |
| 12:49.36 | ejasmudar | anybody? |
| 12:49.52 | pawky | i think a good start is to simply write what you need help with.. |
| 12:50.13 | pawky | ohh... sorry.. |
| 12:50.19 | ejasmudar | ok, i have el-v1.db transfered to my n9 |
| 12:50.20 | pawky | so.. what do you need to know then :-) |
| 12:50.41 | ejasmudar | there was a small utility by Msameer to extract sms from it |
| 12:50.46 | ejasmudar | and add to n9 |
| 12:51.01 | ejasmudar | but i need to extract the full conversations ans call logs also |
| 12:51.21 | pawky | if im not wrong you can simply sync the tho phones directly... |
| 12:51.28 | pawky | have you tried it? |
| 12:51.39 | ejasmudar | it syncs the contacts, but not the conversations or call logs |
| 12:51.52 | ejasmudar | or is there a way for that also? |
| 12:52.10 | pawky | i think there is.. as far as I remembered i got it all to the new on.. |
| 12:52.12 | ejasmudar | for reference:http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79686 |
| 12:52.12 | pawky | (one) |
| 12:54.12 | pawky | as far as I can see you can sync contacts, events and to-dos, notes and text messages... isn't that enough? |
| 12:54.31 | ejasmudar | how do u sync text msgs? |
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| 12:56.13 | pawky | have you even TRIED to do it yourself??? |
| 12:56.24 | pawky | have you even CHECKED what you can do with your N9? |
| 12:56.54 | ejasmudar | ok, now i m getting intimidaed |
| 12:56.59 | pawky | i give you a hint, but this one I believe you can figure out yourself.... its called 'settings' |
| 12:57.05 | pawky | no, you ask before trying... |
| 12:57.21 | ejasmudar | i've just been using it for two days, so i may not have come acrosss everything |
| 12:58.08 | pawky | I belive this will both be in the manual, and you will easily find it if you at least try to find it... |
| 12:58.42 | ejasmudar | ok, trying the sync methodm(this is how i transfered contacts, but let me try for messages) |
| 12:59.01 | pawky | you see, now that wasn't to hard was it? |
| 13:00.41 | ejasmudar | hmm my n900 is not being detected in the n9 |
| 13:00.48 | pawky | come on.... |
| 13:00.54 | ejasmudar | ans before u ask, both btooth are swithced on |
| 13:00.57 | ejasmudar | and visible |
| 13:01.23 | pawky | might take a little while.. |
| 13:01.42 | ejasmudar | sending stuff works fine |
| 13:01.46 | pawky | ? |
| 13:01.59 | pawky | so.. it is recognised then |
| 13:02.07 | ejasmudar | "No devices found" :/ |
| 13:02.11 | pawky | you need to pair them first, then sync... |
| 13:02.17 | ejasmudar | yeah sending stuff works, not sync |
| 13:02.23 | ejasmudar | paired already |
| 13:02.47 | pawky | re-pair..... (pun intended)... |
| 13:03.11 | auenf | n9 wont see the n900 when trying to setup a sync |
| 13:03.17 | ejasmudar | ? |
| 13:03.18 | auenf | you have to setup the sync on the n900 side |
| 13:03.25 | ejasmudar | ok that i've done |
| 13:03.36 | ejasmudar | but it sync only todo calender and contacts |
| 13:04.04 | pawky | initiate what to sync from the N9... |
| 13:04.19 | pawky | I am pretty sure I got it all to the new phone. It was a while ago though.. |
| 13:04.52 | ejasmudar | i'm able initiate sync from n900, not the other way |
| 13:05.05 | auenf | if you initiate the sync from the n9, it doesnt see the n900 at all |
| 13:05.07 | ejasmudar | and sync does not sync sms |
| 13:05.19 | ejasmudar | i think auenf is right |
| 13:05.29 | auenf | http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 |
| 13:05.30 | pawky | auenf: maybe thats how it was... but I am pretty sure I got the SMS messages to the new one. |
| 13:05.55 | ejasmudar | @pawky, did u use the commhist utility? |
| 13:06.03 | pawky | but I did it with the N9 PR 1.0 haven't succeeded with PR1.1 though.. |
| 13:06.11 | ejasmudar | :/ |
| 13:06.26 | auenf | 5.1 sounds like what you've done already |
| 13:06.36 | auenf | 9 is what you're trying to do |
| 13:06.45 | ejasmudar | yup exactly |
| 13:07.49 | ejasmudar | ok, i have modified Msameer's commhist package (as per his instructions) |
| 13:07.59 | ejasmudar | but i need it compiled and packaged |
| 13:08.12 | ejasmudar | is it possible to do that from windows? |
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| 13:31.17 | ejasmudar | any help? |
| 13:33.44 | pawky | nope... |
| 13:33.53 | pawky | i mean, no help.... |
| 13:34.01 | ejasmudar | hmmmm |
| 13:34.24 | ejasmudar | what about compiling and packaging from windows? |
| 13:34.34 | pawky | but whats left now is just the SMS messages right? |
| 13:35.08 | pawky | well, I believe you will have to wait until someone who uses windows pop up to answer that question... |
| 13:35.22 | ejasmudar | SMS, IM, call logs. I know it is possible, but i need somebody's help to compile and run it |
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| 13:36.37 | pawky | yes, and might be so this mr/ms 'somebody' might at the moment be happily celebrating christmass eve... just a hint.. |
| 13:36.54 | pawky | but sooner or later someone always pops up with the answer... :-) |
| 13:36.58 | ejasmudar | yeah true. |
| 13:37.12 | ejasmudar | i better check back in 2 weeks time |
| 13:37.43 | ejasmudar | there's going to be very less producti |
| 13:37.58 | ejasmudar | *productivity these two weeks |
| 13:38.42 | ZogG_N9 | happy xmas btw |
| 13:39.07 | ejasmudar | yeah you too |
| 13:39.11 | pawky | :-) |
| 13:39.29 | ejasmudar | BTW, the topic should include some seasons greetings |
| 13:39.34 | pawky | ejasmudar: well 2 weeks might be a it to long.. but a few hours or so when people will be tired celebrating, yes... |
| 13:39.41 | pawky | in the meantime maybe google can help ou... |
| 13:40.11 | ZogG_N9 | what was the question? |
| 13:40.31 | pawky | ZogG_N9: do you know anything about this openmode kernel? |
| 13:40.58 | ZogG_N9 | not too much, u want to try it? |
| 13:41.18 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer knows everything =) |
| 13:41.49 | ejasmudar | my question was regd migrating conversations and call logs to n9 from n900 |
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| 13:41.59 | seiflotfy | hey guys |
| 13:42.17 | seiflotfy | how do i install the new 1.1 firmware for n9 |
| 13:42.46 | pawky | seiflotfy: standard NSU update? |
| 13:42.48 | ejasmudar | @seiflotfly, u will get OTA notification |
| 13:43.08 | seiflotfy | my current firmaware is very very weird |
| 13:43.10 | auenf | seiflotfy, at the end of the version you have currently, whats the PR_xxx number? |
| 13:43.16 | pawky | seiflotfy: they usually are.. |
| 13:44.17 | seiflotfy | 10.2011.34-1.232.2_PR_232 |
| 13:44.20 | ZogG_N9 | ejasmudar i think its possible but why? |
| 13:44.24 | seiflotfy | it also says class b? |
| 13:44.30 | seiflotfy | what does class b means |
| 13:45.33 | ejasmudar | ZogG_N9: what do u mean why? Because I want my old messages, and because it ispossible |
| 13:45.48 | pawky | ZogG_N9: yes... I would like to kick out taht aegis once and for all.. and I am not to sure which one to put in if wanting to get rid of it once and for all + will the data be erased as well when flashing it? |
| 13:45.58 | ZogG_N9 | messanges is ok but call log? |
| 13:46.43 | seiflotfy | pawky: auenf: 10.2011.34-1.232.2_PR_232 |
| 13:46.48 | seiflotfy | it also says class B |
| 13:46.50 | seiflotfy | -.- |
| 13:47.19 | auenf | my PR_299 doesnt have it either |
| 13:47.21 | seiflotfy | is this the netwrok |
| 13:47.21 | ZogG_N9 | pawky i know at maemo u could flash kernel only i think u can do it from phone even but i think u should wait |
| 13:47.25 | ejasmudar | ZogG_N9: call logs is not absolute emergency, but it is needed because i need to know when some clients have called me |
| 13:47.37 | pawky | ZogG_N9: wait? |
| 13:47.50 | auenf | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1135702&postcount=602 |
| 13:48.02 | auenf | variant code is on microsim tray iirc |
| 13:49.17 | pawky | seiflotfy: you can flash it manually yourself if you are into such things.... |
| 13:49.26 | seiflotfy | i am |
| 13:49.29 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N9: I know when I don't know |
| 13:49.38 | ZogG_N9 | in 2 mins ill get to computer. wait |
| 13:49.41 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: ah... there you are :-) |
| 13:49.42 | seiflotfy | pawky: tools ? |
| 13:49.59 | pawky | seiflotfy: Debian based distro, flasher... |
| 13:50.07 | seiflotfy | any tutorial |
| 13:50.12 | seiflotfy | and where do i get the fimrware |
| 13:50.13 | seiflotfy | ? |
| 13:50.15 | pawky | seiflotfy: and some basic knowledge of what the heck you are doing |
| 13:50.19 | ejasmudar | seiflotfy:http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79897 |
| 13:50.30 | seiflotfy | pawky: i did it with my n95 |
| 13:50.39 | pawky | seiflotfy: thats a good start.. |
| 13:50.50 | seiflotfy | but i cant find the links anymore |
| 13:50.57 | pawky | seiflotfy: google will probably help you there, firmware can be found on one of nokias ftp servers.. |
| 13:50.59 | seiflotfy | ejasmudar: i dont have windows thus no navifirm |
| 13:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | what's up? new PR or sth? |
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| 13:51.19 | pawky | seiflotfy: there are tools for both linux and the poor windows sods, to be downloaded somewhere.. |
| 13:51.55 | ejasmudar | i'll give u the link, if u want. whats ur variant code? |
| 13:52.02 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: want to change the 1.1 kernel for something that gives true root forever... but i am hesitating which one to use.. |
| 13:52.42 | seiflotfy | pawky: http://www.developer.nokia.com/General/File_Not_Found.xhtml |
| 13:52.52 | seiflotfy | http://www.developer.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/db230178-aa63-4c73-ba7f-20930da13cad/Nokia_N950_OneClickFlashers.html |
| 13:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | well, for now openmode is the true root mode, and openmode is triggered on loading a kernel without proper Nokia signature |
| 13:53.04 | seiflotfy | pawky: do u have a link to the ftp server |
| 13:53.11 | ejasmudar | seiflotfy:which is ur device? (colour/storage/variant) |
| 13:53.28 | pawky | seiflotfy: not on this computer... you will have to wait a bit for it.. |
| 13:53.32 | seiflotfy | ejasmudar: cyan/16GB/ what is variant |
| 13:53.42 | ejasmudar | seiflotfy:u can know variant from ur sim tray |
| 13:54.11 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: so.. i should flash with openmode unpatched version? or the openshell version or? |
| 13:54.22 | seiflotfy | my sim tray is mico sim |
| 13:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: so with either of the kernels on my server you should get what you asked for, modulo any aps refusing to work *due to* openmode |
| 13:54.26 | seiflotfy | ejasmudar: ^ |
| 13:54.34 | ejasmudar | it will be something like 059l5t5 or something |
| 13:54.49 | ejasmudar | no, it will be on a sticker on the sim tray |
| 13:54.57 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: oh.. do i get it right the apps installed will stop working? |
| 13:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: (apps refusing...) allegedly and according to reports there are no such apps |
| 13:55.34 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: ok, so ALL are working then :-) |
| 13:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | you'll have to redo all your accounts though |
| 13:55.54 | seiflotfy | ejasmudar: 059L5H1 |
| 13:56.13 | ejasmudar | wait |
| 13:56.19 | DocScrutinizer | as account data is stored in an aegisfs area and not available in openmode anymore AIUI |
| 13:56.20 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: fair enough.. so which one os it, i think jonni told me it should be the unpatched openmode version, right? |
| 13:56.31 | ejasmudar | seiflotfy:which country? |
| 13:56.44 | seiflotfy | i got it from UK but i live in germany |
| 13:56.57 | DocScrutinizer | patched kernel won't earn you much over unpatched one |
| 13:57.01 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: and doing the backup restore will create that, having to rewrite the e-mail accounts at every reboot right? |
| 13:57.16 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: I just want to be true root on my own unit, thats all... |
| 13:57.47 | DocScrutinizer | backup restore is unclear whether it works at all in open mode |
| 13:58.18 | seiflotfy | ejasmudar: UK but live in germany |
| 13:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | just manually registering to all your accounts shall work though |
| 13:58.49 | dm8tbr | wonders what this 'true root' is people talk about. all those security frameworks couldn't care less about UID... |
| 13:58.53 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: yeah... and then everything should work as normal right, except for you now being true root, right? |
| 13:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | unclear what's with that mass-deplyed Nokia account for updates though |
| 13:59.02 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | that's what Nokians claim it should be like |
| 13:59.51 | pawky | seiflotfy: you should be able to find it in this channels back log, look at when I first started to chat on it. Someone gave me a link to some chinese site, that has the link to nokia in finland... thats the quickest way to get the link.. |
| 14:00.05 | ejasmudar | seiflotfy:http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1111/0810/6514769277/269A87D6_DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.ALPS_EMMC_ALPS.bin |
| 14:00.18 | pawky | Thats the one.. :-) |
| 14:00.40 | pawky | pawky: or.. nearly at least... |
| 14:00.49 | seiflotfy | 1.5 GB |
| 14:00.51 | seiflotfy | wow |
| 14:00.56 | ejasmudar | yup |
| 14:01.09 | auenf | OTA update wont lose any data |
| 14:01.11 | ejasmudar | this is for flashing to new PR |
| 14:01.12 | auenf | flashing will |
| 14:01.15 | pawky | seiflotfy: hold, ill check... |
| 14:01.15 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: that's not exactly true, as "no app" is allowed to change UID and/or GID |
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| 14:01.20 | ejasmudar | for updating, just use NSU |
| 14:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | under aegis |
| 14:01.29 | ejasmudar | thats only around 250 Mb |
| 14:02.31 | seiflotfy | ejasmudar: NSU tells me no uodates |
| 14:02.42 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: sure, but being root in this context is still pointless, true or not. you need to neuter the security framework, be it selinux, aegis, whatever to have full control. |
| 14:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | that's what aegis will do when openmode, AIUI. Stop acting |
| 14:05.01 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: ok, how are we doing folks, will i get rid of that aegis shit or not? :-) |
| 14:05.09 | DocScrutinizer | when users here say "true root" they don't ask for UID=0, they ask for the special permissions that are *usually* associated with that. You already are UID=0 when root, even under secure mode, but you got none of the special permissions under aegis |
| 14:05.52 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: ok.. to be a bit more specifik I want to KILL aegis once and for all, as I don't want it.. :-) |
| 14:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | openmode "stops" aegis so you regain those special permissions of root |
| 14:06.09 | dm8tbr | some of which are also available for users on other systems |
| 14:06.16 | seiflotfy | ejasmudar: pawky i got navifirm running using wine |
| 14:06.23 | seiflotfy | there is a weird frimware there |
| 14:06.32 | dm8tbr | I see the whole security framework as perpendicular to the notion of 'user' |
| 14:06.33 | seiflotfy | 22.2011.44.2 |
| 14:06.41 | RST38h | Doc: new firmware update? |
| 14:06.54 | ZogG_laptop | ejasmudar: the sms are stored in database |
| 14:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: yep, but openmode stops MSSF aka aegis, no? |
| 14:07.15 | ZogG_laptop | the question is N9 using the same type of db and this is same table |
| 14:07.18 | ejasmudar | ZogG_laptop: i knoe, the el-v1.db |
| 14:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | restorinfg system paradigm to the classic user/ACL/permissions concept |
| 14:07.35 | ZogG_laptop | if not you need to make small script maybe to extract and convert |
| 14:07.41 | pawky | seiflotfy: duh.... scary.. |
| 14:08.16 | ejasmudar | ZogG_laptop: there is already a small utility:http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79686 |
| 14:08.25 | ejasmudar | but it imports only sms |
| 14:08.31 | ejasmudar | i need to import everything |
| 14:08.42 | ejasmudar | it is easy but the resulting files have to be |
| 14:08.47 | ejasmudar | compiled and packaged |
| 14:08.56 | ejasmudar | that is where i have trouble |
| 14:09.15 | ejasmudar | zogG_laptop: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1141383#post1141383 |
| 14:10.09 | ZogG_laptop | ejasmudar: you want calls as well right? i mean except that you found solutions right |
| 14:10.17 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: but I don't want it to only stop... i don't want it the be there at all :-( |
| 14:10.41 | ejasmudar | zogG: calls is also in the same database |
| 14:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: then you need to do HUGE patching to kernel et al |
| 14:10.56 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: which doesn't exist yet I presume... |
| 14:11.02 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 14:11.08 | ZogG_laptop | pawky: you use it on computer right? |
| 14:11.27 | pawky | ZogG_laptop: use what? aegis? |
| 14:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | contacts/accounts/msgs are all stored in aegisfs, and you'd have to get rid of that |
| 14:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | kernel has several patches for aegis that you need to get rid of |
| 14:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | it's basically a new system - so better you go for mer right now |
| 14:12.08 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: ok, so I download opnemode (unpatched) flash my nice N9 PR1.1 and will live live happily ever after, right? |
| 14:12.27 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: mer? |
| 14:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | yes, that's the plan |
| 14:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | mer as in successor of meego |
| 14:13.00 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: which doesn't exist yest I presume.. |
| 14:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 14:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | ask stskeeps on #mer |
| 14:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | but mer/nemo is not like HARM |
| 14:14.13 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: sorry to be a bit repetetive here.. last chance, openmode unpatched will go into the N9 and everything will work perfectly except for having to put in all the accounts again. No other surprices right? |
| 14:14.15 | ZogG_laptop | pawky: wrong nick name =\ |
| 14:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: that's the plan |
| 14:15.13 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: great.... and what about that openshell version or something I read about giving you a powerkernel? anything you know about? |
| 14:15.32 | ZogG_laptop | pawky: it's not fully tested afaik, that's why i told you wait |
| 14:15.42 | pawky | ZogG_laptop: ahh.. ok, got it.. :-) |
| 14:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | next surprise will come with next update, when NSU or SSU or whatever installs a new signed kernel which goes BOOM immediately on your tainted rootfs from openmode |
| 14:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: opensh doesn't work |
| 14:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | opensh might be your su on openmode though, as I dunno if normal su is available under openmode |
| 14:18.38 | ZogG_laptop | ejasmudar: so u run program on computer right? |
| 14:19.17 | ejasmudar | ZogG: no, it has to be compiled and run on N9 |
| 14:19.50 | ejasmudar | zogG:i cant compile as I'm running windows |
| 14:20.00 | ZogG_laptop | ejasmudar: than check how u set scratchbox on windows or use obs system to build it for u |
| 14:20.29 | ejasmudar | scratchbox is a 4gb download! |
| 14:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: I.E you might still need opensh under openmode, to get "true root" |
| 14:21.41 | DocScrutinizer | from a opensh you are allowed *everything* |
| 14:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | if you're root |
| 14:22.19 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: but with the unpatched openmode I am atleast allowed to install whatever softy I want, right? |
| 14:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 14:24.47 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: just test it, and report here about any problems you face. Here are experts nbetter than me that understand a lot more about all that aegis things and can help you with any possible problems that migght arise on openmode. Basically there shall not be any that can't get around |
| 14:25.24 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: can one safely save the original kernel somehow? |
| 14:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: prepare for full reflash anyway, as there is no other way to go back to "normal" and you'll lose a lot of your data even by entering openmode |
| 14:25.44 | ejasmudar | ZogG:what is OBS? |
| 14:26.06 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: Thank you for the tip, I know this might happen.. :-) |
| 14:26.09 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: I guess no, you can't "save the kernel", you just can do a full reflash |
| 14:27.19 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: note please that I'm just repeating collected info, no first hand experience on all that |
| 14:27.29 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: its cool.. :-) |
| 14:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | there are others who did all the testing and info bit collecting |
| 14:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: I exploited a security hiole on PR1.0 and never felt like updating after that |
| 14:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | so no first hand info on all that from me |
| 14:28.56 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: well.. i got a new phone with the PR1.1 pre installed.. :-( |
| 14:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | (I did same on PR1.1 on N9, but still...) |
| 14:29.36 | seiflotfy | ejasmudar: got a libk for flasher? |
| 14:29.46 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: it works? |
| 14:29.49 | seiflotfy | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=flasher_3.12.1_i386.deb does not qork |
| 14:30.06 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: well.. any info on how to do that exploit? that sounds like a much better option to me :-) |
| 14:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: it fails for some things, but works for what *I* need: access to the basic hardware to hack it |
| 14:30.37 | ejasmudar | seiflotfly:sorry i use windows flasher. But that link shd work |
| 14:30.43 | ejasmudar | why isnt it working? |
| 14:31.23 | seiflotfy | try |
| 14:31.27 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: and no, sorry. We (the hackers regarding that) got a common sense that we can't take the responsibility to disclose how to exploit that security vulnerability |
| 14:31.33 | seiflotfy | it gives me an error |
| 14:31.55 | seiflotfy | Duplicate headers received from server |
| 14:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | since there's openmode there's also no need for you to use that exploit |
| 14:32.10 | pawky | seiflotfy: how do you mean it does not work? |
| 14:32.24 | seiflotfy | click on the link urself |
| 14:32.26 | seiflotfy | i get |
| 14:32.27 | seiflotfy | Duplicate headers received from server |
| 14:32.34 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: fair enough... do you know the difference between the patched and unpatched openmode? |
| 14:32.50 | DocScrutinizer | yes, patched openmode neuters aegis in kernel |
| 14:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | so IF it was signed it would give you a "normal mode" without aegis |
| 14:33.15 | pawky | seiflotfy: works nicely for me... |
| 14:33.30 | seiflotfy | tried different browser |
| 14:33.41 | DocScrutinizer | well, with an aegis just bitching but not blocking anything |
| 14:33.47 | pawky | seiflotfy: try wget.. |
| 14:34.16 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: and unpatched has the aegis still working? |
| 14:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | both have aegis still "working" |
| 14:34.33 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: so its the "patched" version I need to install, right? |
| 14:35.07 | DocScrutinizer | but in openmode aegis *shall* stop working anyway, by itself - AIUI |
| 14:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | so patched kernel is shooting a dead horse |
| 14:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | look, even in openmode you *could* start aegis and it would bitch a lot and give you MALF or anything, unless you got patched kernel. But who would want to do that, while initscripts are supposed to NOT start aegis in openmode? |
| 14:37.42 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: why does people shot a dead horse? |
| 14:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | well, even the "experts" have a hard time to understand *whole* aegis complexity |
| 14:38.52 | seiflotfy | pawky: ejasmudar: http://pastebin.com/afqagmkq |
| 14:39.53 | pawky | seiflotfy: yes, and? |
| 14:40.02 | pawky | seiflotfy: have you read the help? |
| 14:40.35 | RST38h | Doc: What is there to understand? They added hooks everywhere in the kernel to prevent system call from functioning unless there is a permission |
| 14:40.51 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 14:40.56 | RST38h | Doc: They ignored file modes, ACLs, etc, because that would not be research |
| 14:40.58 | pawky | seiflotfy: (I think you should double check its the right firmware bin, and that its for your country.. i am a bit unsure about that ALP stuff) |
| 14:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | that'S what makes aegis so evil, it doesn't do it right |
| 14:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | you *can* edit aegis-protected files |
| 14:41.23 | RST38h | Doc: It came from Nokia Research, a nice academic project :) |
| 14:41.39 | RST38h | Well it is research, does not have to be functional or useful, right? |
| 14:42.04 | pawky | seiflotfy: how about '-R' for a change? |
| 14:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 14:42.30 | RST38h | Must have a PPT presentation explaining to the management and legal why it is such a wonderful idea to limit what those pests can do |
| 14:42.37 | ejasmudar | seiflotfy:wait, i think my mistake |
| 14:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | -R means "please reboot", the modt useless parameter ever |
| 14:43.27 | pawky | seiflotfy: my bin file is called : C46CA460_DFL_61_HARMATAN_10.2011.34.-1.339.01.2_PR_LEGACY_339_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin |
| 14:44.26 | ejasmudar | this is the correct one |
| 14:44.28 | ejasmudar | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1112/2103/6514850688/665AE3EC_DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4.480.2_PR_LEGACY_480_ARM_RM-696_PRD_signed.bin |
| 14:44.34 | ejasmudar | the other one is EMMC image |
| 14:46.26 | seiflotfy | ejasmudar: thanks |
| 14:46.27 | seiflotfy | :) |
| 14:46.47 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: ejasmudar: yeah, that one looks a bit better :-) |
| 14:48.03 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: if you are still here.. do you know where one can find the resampled ringtone .wav the phone uses? It sounds very crappy and I need to replace it... |
| 14:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia is insane with hiding all that stuff behind unsearchable hashkey URLs on their servers |
| 14:48.51 | ejasmudar_away | Doc:yeah whats the logc behind that? |
| 14:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: it is stored in ~user/.local or .cache or sth like that |
| 14:49.29 | pawky | DocScrutinizer: did a find there, but no .wav so its some weird unrecognizeable hash then? |
| 14:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | ejasmudar_away: NFC |
| 14:50.45 | pawky | Is there any mplayer for the N9 to be found? |
| 14:50.58 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: maybe HARM does it different than fremantle |
| 14:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | pawky: hard to believe that aegis would allow that |
| 14:55.35 | vsync_ | So, are there any dates for PR1.2? |
| 14:56.07 | pawky | vsync_: not that I have heard of.. |
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| 15:46.53 | npm_ | is there a lumia 800 irc channel? |
| 15:47.58 | dm8tbr | npm_: google tells me that there is #wp7-dev |
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| 15:50.52 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
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| 16:02.39 | Pali | ~seen X-Fade |
| 16:02.43 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 7h 57m 48s) #harmattan (1d 7h 57m 48s) #meego (1d 7h 57m 48s). Has said a total of 41 messages. Is idling for 1d 2h 38m 6s, last said: 'gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.'. |
| 16:09.04 | npm | dm8tbr: ok, i'm in #wp7-dev (whopping 9 devs there), asking annoying lumia questions instead of here |
| 16:09.20 | dm8tbr | hehe |
| 16:10.05 | dm8tbr | npm: if they're lumia specific, they might not know, but chances are they are more into the whole WP thing. (Although I suspect the lumia density will soon rise sky high in here) |
| 16:10.30 | npm | (fyi, if you hold the power button down for a very long time, it'll eventually buzz and reboot, e.g. after an app takes over the display and refuses to let-go |
| 16:10.32 | npm | ) |
| 16:10.40 | npm | (while hanging) |
| 16:10.59 | npm | oh to have an obvious gui into multitasking like harmattan |
| 16:11.31 | npm | at the same time, harmattan could easily do wp7 by adding a "tiles" view as replacement or addition to the feeds view |
| 16:13.09 | npm | which would basically be like maemo widgets with a tiling window manager |
| 16:14.11 | npm | and also, what exactly is nokia using to implement all its apps in the lumia? |
| 16:14.19 | npm | looks like the qt apps from symbian and harmattan |
| 16:14.56 | dm8tbr | who knows, they own Qt so they can do as they please :) |
| 16:15.22 | npm | and also, msft may have given them internal access to use C++ tools |
| 16:16.53 | npm | (nokia, please save developers from msft hell and release these hoped-for devtools to assist future lumia devs -- plus it makes for a nice "transition story") |
| 16:17.51 | dm8tbr | if that happens it will most likely come from msft, would be my bet |
| 16:18.59 | npm | that's what i don't want... i want qtcreator to shit out wp7 installers in the way it does for harmattan and meego... so we can write the same damn apps for any platform and be done with it |
| 16:23.33 | npm | i find it very tiresome that devs have to lock-in to not only a closed delivery platform, but also closed development platform/ecosystem ... seems like android and harmattan are only ones bucking that trend. |
| 17:09.23 | npm | ok, there is one "win" to the lumia 800 -- you can watch movies on netflix |
| 17:10.13 | npm | which uses silverlight |
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| 17:35.17 | pawky | npm: is that a win? compared to the N9 being able to show movies in whatever format you'd like as long as you get the right codec... |
| 17:36.01 | pawky | npm: and that you have TV out on the N9, which, to my knowledge, does not exist on the Lumia.. |
| 17:38.54 | DocScrutinizer | obviously no TV out on hooker, as there's no settings option to choose from PAL/NTSC |
| 17:40.17 | DocScrutinizer | trsted it, TV says "no signal" |
| 17:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if the CPU/SoC of hooker could do TV out at all |
| 17:41.33 | DocScrutinizer | iirc that's no TI OMAP |
| 17:41.58 | SpeedEvil | Aren't all of the w7 phones running a similar CPU |
| 17:41.59 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 17:42.12 | SpeedEvil | Qualcomm? |
| 17:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, sth like that |
| 17:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders what to do to hooker, except from instantly disassembling it. nmap? |
| 17:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | get a xterm app? |
| 17:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | meh, probably a full factory reset and then box it again while it looks "new" is best I could do with it |
| 17:48.31 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for 6line spamming, but that's all I get on USB, so no use to pastebin this either |
| 17:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | Dec 24 18:47:06 halley kernel: [3955351.014225] usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 17 |
| 17:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | Dec 24 18:47:06 halley kernel: [3955351.217177] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=045e, idProduct=04ec |
| 17:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | Dec 24 18:47:06 halley kernel: [3955351.217196] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=8, SerialNumber=9 |
| 17:48.40 | DocScrutinizer | Dec 24 18:47:06 halley kernel: [3955351.217206] usb 1-1: Product: RM-801|NOKIA Lumia 800 |
| 17:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | Dec 24 18:47:06 halley kernel: [3955351.217214] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 99461300-b56a-0801-b49b-eeb0f869e1da |
| 17:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | Dec 24 18:47:06 halley kernel: [3955351.217398] usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
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| 17:49.16 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 17:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | useless |
| 17:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/150100/ |
| 17:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | lsusb -vd 045e:04ec |
| 18:00.58 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if there's zhune for linux |
| 18:01.02 | DocScrutinizer | zune? |
| 18:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, I probably wouldn't touh that shit with a 10ft pole |
| 18:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | touch |
| 18:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | incredibly useless |
| 18:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | to me, I have to add |
| 18:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | looks for the screw driver |
| 18:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | speech input is maybe mildly interesting |
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| 18:40.02 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA, I went thru the PITA to get a winlive-ID for downloading some shit from marketplace-Nokia, then they urged me to create a wondowsDUNOWHATSHIT account as well, that asked for my birthday. I gave them 2010-12-24 and now they advice me to use my PC as I'm a kid and there's no way to change my 'birthday' to 1910-12-24 |
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| 19:30.30 | GeneralAntilles | frals, bullshit. |
| 19:30.41 | GeneralAntilles | frals, there's no such thing as a free lunch. |
| 19:30.49 | GeneralAntilles | Which Europe will be discovering with interest very shortly. |
| 19:39.39 | Kaadlajk | uni being free in sweden or finland has nothing to do with problems in europe :P |
| 19:43.06 | ieatlint | bah, my lumia 800 order hasn't even started to be processed |
| 19:43.19 | ieatlint | how dare nokia not be faster in getting me free stuff |
| 19:48.41 | faenil | ieatlint: +1 , lol |
| 20:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | market place (hooker800): "Red FeeD" (watch movies... errr) only GBP72.99 - - - BWAAAHAAHAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAAAAAAAA |
| 20:02.35 | ieatlint | cheap |
| 20:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | cancel -> "do you really want to cancel? [ok] [cancel]" MMHFPFFFHAHA |
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| 20:07.27 | ieatlint | sounds about par for a MS UI |
| 20:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 20:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | the Nokia maps/local_scout app seems somewhat useful and almost or though, apart from this nonsense above on maps-download |
| 20:15.38 | ieatlint | the important thing is the closer integration to facebook i keep hearing about |
| 20:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | even the fsckng time/date-picker slotmachine sucks less than on harmattan/Qt(m), though of course the MTF analog-clock timepicker and calendar datepicker is magnitudes superior |
| 20:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is face book ? |
| 20:16.16 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 20:16.25 | ieatlint | it's the most awesome thing ever |
| 20:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall last trend and hype here is "how do I cancle my facebook account?" |
| 20:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | cancel* |
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| 20:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know how much of an issue it is, I never looked into facebook |
| 20:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | but it seems even the gasheads meanwhile notice it's not worth the assrape it actually does to users |
| 20:18.55 | ieatlint | to each their own, don't judge |
| 20:21.13 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, here getting a facebook account is *out*, getting rid of your facebook account is *in* - wonder what I am when I never even had an FB account |
| 20:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | I just wonder if that thing could tether to my N900 via PAN, as I suspect local-scout nearby POI and even routing can't be done offline on hooker |
| 20:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | even with 490MB of map data downloaded and kept locally |
| 20:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | (in progress) |
| 20:25.47 | ieatlint | but facebook is awesome, it allows me to find people i haven't cared about in years and stalk them |
| 20:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | quite obviously even switching from car to pedestrian guidance has a pretty noticeable delay that indicates it's doing some internet lookup via my WLAN |
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| 20:28.42 | DocScrutinizer | (wonder what I am...) probably a fool, as I never passed the intelligence test to find out how to shut down my FB account, sth that only the hardcore hackers of the losers know how to do |
| 20:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | and even those it takes 4 weeks to learn and accept what it means in TOS when facebook states you can't delete shared stuff, never, ever... |
| 20:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | XP |
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| 20:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | funny detail: on first boot the thing tries to convince you to create a winlive account immediately, but it fails miserably on that due to no way to set up WLAN at that point in time of bootup |
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| 20:38.25 | RST38h | Doc: Enjoying your fake N9? |
| 20:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | yeah :-D |
| 20:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | and it's installing germany maps now, which actually is 4 times as fast as the previous download of those 536MB |
| 20:40.47 | RST38h | once again gets reminded of two fishermen and a mermaid |
| 20:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | almost done with 50% |
| 20:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 20:41.55 | DocScrutinizer | arguing whether to better fry or cook this fish? |
| 20:42.25 | RST38h | Doc: No. |
| 20:42.53 | RST38h | Doc: They catch a mermaid.One of them looks at her with intent, then sighs and throws her overboard. |
| 20:43.03 | RST38h | Doc: "But WHY? -- But HOW?" |
| 20:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | starts to understand the use of "XXX is typing" notice in windows communicator |
| 20:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | but HOW would I access this friggin brick, when it doesn't even expose mass storage, not to think about a shell or anything similar? |
| 20:48.59 | RST38h | Doc: Overboard. |
| 20:49.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'll probably * do exactly that |
| 20:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | * was when your post came in, made me change my sentence |
| 20:49.35 | RST38h | Needs a jailbreak and a native SDK of sorts |
| 20:50.08 | RST38h | Doc: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/USB-Mode-Windows-Phone-7-Windows-Registry-Zune,news-8930.html |
| 20:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | well, the maps app is exactly like on HARM |
| 20:51.24 | RST38h | Doc: rejoice, at least the fs access can be enabled, due to Microsoft's sloppy design |
| 20:52.02 | RST38h | you will also get a kick when you read about limitations wp7 applies to videos (end of the article) =) |
| 20:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | I got no fuckin regedit on my linux ;-P |
| 20:52.27 | dm8tbr | wonders if linux can use usb-mas too with that thing (e.g. by forcing the USB-id in the massstorage driver) |
| 20:52.29 | RST38h | well get a windows or something |
| 20:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | do WHAT? |
| 20:53.39 | DocScrutinizer | is billyboy or balmer asking for other favours I shall do them? some sexual ones maybe? |
| 20:53.41 | dm8tbr | though I'd suspect (also due to the obviously clueless writeup) that it's really something like MTP and not MaS |
| 20:54.10 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: bend over, deeper, deeper, yes, now they can pick your wallet out of your back pocket, thanks |
| 20:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 20:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | but "Nokia cares" BWAHAHAHAHA |
| 20:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | app "We care" |
| 20:55.24 | RST38h | is there another app named "ORLY?" |
| 20:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | "Nokia respects your privacy... bla bla bla" |
| 20:55.51 | RST38h | expects my privacy indeed |
| 20:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | well, obviously this time M$ did the "cherry" part |
| 20:56.40 | RST38h | finds it amusing how successful use of euphemisms has brought some words to mean their exact opposites in the corporate world |
| 20:57.11 | DocScrutinizer | like "hacker"? |
| 20:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | or was this the journallie that messed the positive meaning of hacker up to its opposite? |
| 20:57.45 | RST38h | that too |
| 20:58.12 | RST38h | but I mostly meant stuff like "privacy", "care", etc |
| 20:58.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 20:58.35 | DocScrutinizer | "we care" makes me tremble and shudder |
| 20:58.40 | RST38h | "hacker" is too specific, I can live with their definition of "hacker" and use "researcher" for mine |
| 20:58.53 | RST38h | Doc: Also: "solution" |
| 20:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehehe |
| 20:59.00 | npm | belated reply - [09:35] <pawky> npm: is that a win? compared to the N9 being able to show movies in whatever format -- silverlight as used for showing movies isn't a codec, it's a DRM scheme |
| 20:59.23 | RST38h | "satisfaction" |
| 20:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | "security" as in aegis ;-P |
| 20:59.58 | DocScrutinizer | "trust" |
| 21:00.08 | RST38h | (that at least one of my Russian acquintances converted into "satisfucktoring a customer") |
| 21:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: >>Change EnableLegacySupport from 0 to 1.<< pffff |
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| 21:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: seem my pastebin about lsusb? |
| 21:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-12-24 18:54:27] <DocScrutinizer> http://paste.debian.net/150100/ |
| 21:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-12-24 18:55:06] <DocScrutinizer> lsusb -vd 045e:04ec |
| 21:11.46 | DocScrutinizer | any suggestions how to patch mass storage driver welcome |
| 21:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: I gather we need to look closer at >>bDeviceClass 239 Miscellaneous Device<< |
| 21:17.21 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I'll have a look on wednesday when I get hands on mine |
| 21:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: N9 has >>bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level)<< and >>bInterfaceClass 8 Mass Storage<< |
| 21:20.00 | DocScrutinizer | blaergh |
| 21:20.34 | dm8tbr | hm might be as easy as forcing the usbmas driver then |
| 21:24.38 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: read up a bit, it's as I previously suspected MTP, but with the 'extentd/extinguish' bits enabled |
| 21:24.47 | dm8tbr | they redefined MTP to MTPZ |
| 21:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 21:25.15 | DocScrutinizer | I just read what N9 does on "sync" mode |
| 21:25.26 | DocScrutinizer | bDeviceClass 239 Miscellaneous Device |
| 21:25.43 | DocScrutinizer | iProduct 3 Nokia N9 |
| 21:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | iConfiguration 5 Sync Mode Configuration |
| 21:26.10 | DocScrutinizer | bFunctionClass 6 Imaging |
| 21:26.22 | DocScrutinizer | bFunctionProtocol 1 Picture Transfer Protocol (PIMA 15470) |
| 21:27.34 | dm8tbr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol |
| 21:27.49 | dm8tbr | MTPZ, the Zune Extension to MTP specifically denies access to files until authentication has been processed, which is only possible using Windows Media Player 10 or higher. |
| 21:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | funny, I wonder why I never looked into that before, it has lots of funny devices/EPs |
| 21:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | BLAERGH |
| 21:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | pukes |
| 21:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | ponders "does it blend" |
| 21:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | I realy wonder how evil it may get with M$ |
| 21:30.02 | dm8tbr | http://www.linux-magazine.com/content/view/full/45191/%28offset%29/3 |
| 21:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | FUCK YOU M$! |
| 21:34.25 | dm8tbr | http://kbhomes.github.com/blog.html?tag=mtpz |
| 21:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | this smells like another antitrust trial from european authorities to make M$ open up their friggin bricks for using them on arbitrary computers rather than just windows trashbins with zune installed |
| 21:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | so obviously "dongling" the phone to a windows computer is outright bald-faced, given how many times M$ got sued and sentenced about exactly this practice |
| 21:37.41 | dm8tbr | 'but they give you an OSX connector' *snerk* |
| 21:38.02 | dm8tbr | btw: that last URL looks very interesting |
| 21:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to rip out that friggin cert from zune.exe and publish it all over the network, together with the code to build a proper authentication lib |
| 21:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | what a bunch of perky idiots |
| 21:40.39 | DocScrutinizer | otoh, why bother - to make winP7 a success in the end - God help me I won't |
| 21:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | ok, so this POS is as useless to me as I originally thought - no surprise |
| 21:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | just a pity about all the trees cut for the paper box it shipped in, and of course those who had to die for the chip and case manufacturing |
| 21:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | Sorry Nokia, I don't like your new friends - please don't call me again |
| 21:46.10 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: HAH, finally I looked at your "interesting URL" and realized other had same idea as I had :-D |
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| 21:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | >>This is where things get interesting. In a nutshell, the software takes the serialized certificate data (including the marker and length bytes), appends the random bytes (including the length bytes) and calls that the message. It then signs the message using a typical RSA signing process. The process involves computing a hash of the message (in this case, standard SHA-1 with some byte manipulations and other techniques), and then |
| 21:54.42 | DocScrutinizer | using the RSA private key and modulus to create a signature of the message<< |
| 21:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | >>If the two are the same, then the recipient can assume that whoever sent the message is the owner of the private key and, therefore, the person they want to be communicating with.<< |
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| 21:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | HAH >>I actually did not catch this part of the MTPZ protocol until just recently, the reason being that this part occurs when you are sending files to the device. As I said in the MTP Handshake Packets post, I stopped capturing the traffic as soon as the device had completed the handshake, and so this part was not known to me until I tried to actually send a file to my Zune.<< |
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| 22:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | >>Right now, I’ve basically jury-rigged a system for libmtp to make sure that using the Zune from Linux was actually viable:<< |
| 22:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | passes a beer over to sajid anwar |
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| 23:03.52 | frals | GeneralAntilles: maybe no free lunch, but we have free education ;-) |
| 23:09.35 | vsync_ | is there an easy way to transfer music and cover arts into n9 in linux, |
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| 23:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | transfer music: mass storage -- cover art: MussOrgSky |
| 23:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | which btw is one of the most useful pkgs after backupmenu |
| 23:28.30 | DocScrutinizer | regarding how terribly Nokia fsckd up the media player cover art and title handling |
| 23:28.52 | vsync_ | with mass storage mode, I'll just put the files in either Music or Music/content? |
| 23:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | yep, "thanks" to tracker it doesn't matter at all if you did the fancy to sirt your music nicely into A B C D folders or anything |
| 23:29.55 | DocScrutinizer | just place them wherever you want, on MyDocs/.music(ß) |
| 23:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | (?) |
| 23:30.11 | vsync_ | heh |
| 23:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | it also doesn't matter what the files are named like, as tracker looks into the mp3 to find ID-tags |
| 23:31.32 | DocScrutinizer | and this also is the only location where it looks for cover art |
| 23:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | :-( |
| 23:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | terribly fsckdup stupid concept |
| 23:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | maybe they patched tracker to act a bit smarter meanwhile, what I told you was true for PR1.0(.1) |
| 23:33.43 | vsync_ | hopefully. Thanks a bunch though! |
| 23:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 23:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | ooops, sorry - I messed up channels, not realizing this is #harmattan here |
| 23:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | however I suspect that tracker dependencies got even worse on harmattan, compared to fremantle which my comment above was based on |
| 23:38.24 | vsync_ | Well I think it's close enough :) |
