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| 01:02.35 | l32606 | The mce interface does not work on harmattan, but ok on my N900 |
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| 01:23.56 | npm | yay, my qt-based webserver i'm building in to voicetogoog now invokes gstreamer to convert audio files used for recording to htm5 audio element compatible wav format |
| 01:25.19 | npm | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Sample_application_for_investigating_GStreamer_pipelines was helpful |
| 01:26.51 | luke-jr | plz don't :P |
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| 06:17.50 | auenf | weird, auto avatar for a contact is 'JP' |
| 06:18.53 | auenf | but in messages only its 'JP', its 'Ji' incontacts |
| 06:21.19 | auenf | 'Ji' in web2sms also |
| 06:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | JLP would be more obvious to me ;-D |
| 06:29.41 | auenf | sms from a land line |
| 06:29.46 | auenf | dont think i reply with a sms |
| 06:30.03 | auenf | seen as it was an text to speech missed call service sms |
| 06:32.24 | DocScrutinizer | err what? |
| 06:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | sb sent an SMS to your landline, which got translated to speech, you missed it and it got recorded and you got a SMS informing you about the missed call? |
| 06:33.24 | auenf | http://optus.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/34/~/missed-call-service%3A-mobile-phone |
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| 06:34.10 | DocScrutinizer | I don't parse >>text to speech missed call service sms<< |
| 06:34.13 | auenf | some one rang me, i missed it, they left a message, it was translated to text and smsed to me with the from number being the originall caller |
| 06:34.37 | DocScrutinizer | so it's speech to text, not text to speech |
| 06:34.51 | auenf | sure |
| 06:35.00 | auenf | i cant type properly today it seems |
| 06:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | siri for the poor then ;-P |
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| 06:37.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'd love to get informed about such weird service - as a caler leaving a message - so I could use my worst slang to not feed their database with private info |
| 06:38.25 | auenf | this person has a very strong accent |
| 06:38.27 | auenf | and broken english |
| 06:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if such service was mayne completely illegal here in Germany |
| 06:39.05 | auenf | the 2nd sentence doesnt make any sense, need to work out what words are wrongly translated |
| 06:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | s/siri for the poor/commercial echelon/ |
| 06:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | while siri itself is the worst commercial echelon alike system I could figure. Only could get worse if they "optimize out" the record button and do a 24/7 recording from every client |
| 06:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | but who knows, maybe the record button already is only informative and they do this right now :-P |
| 06:43.56 | auenf | what % of iphone users would notice the extra data being sent :P |
| 06:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | recording and compressing 5 minutes chunks of audio all the time, which the siri server can fetch via a pull service... |
| 06:44.25 | auenf | as long as it doesnt go over their monthly allocation, most wouldnt realise? |
| 06:44.53 | DocScrutinizer | if it wasn't for the battery drain, nobody will notice it - almost nobody |
| 06:45.29 | auenf | hmm, i can install terminal without enabling developer mode? |
| 06:45.45 | auenf | well, irssi installed terminal |
| 06:45.46 | DocScrutinizer | hm, I think you can |
| 06:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | pull dpkg from Nokia repo, install via ... errr, browser pointing to the local .dpkg ? |
| 06:49.08 | auenf | or just install irssi and it installs terminal for you |
| 06:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 06:49.57 | DocScrutinizer | obviously you also can get it as a dependency |
| 06:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | but I guess you as well could install terminal directly the same way |
| 06:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | if it isn't already preinstalled on every device |
| 06:51.06 | jonni | yes you can make helloword.deb which has terminal and busybox-devel-su as depency, and you would get those without enabling developer mode. |
| 06:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | and only the icon gets hidden when no develmode |
| 06:51.24 | jonni | and those icons wouldnt even be hidden |
| 06:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | hi jonni |
| 06:53.39 | jonni | morning |
| 06:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | and o/ :waves: bbl |
| 06:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | time for LTE daywork :-D |
| 06:55.21 | DocScrutinizer | (building the modems for your 2014 devices) |
| 06:55.30 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 06:55.47 | SpeedEvil | Beamforming yet? |
| 06:55.50 | SpeedEvil | HAve fun |
| 06:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | sure, 4*4 MIMO on higher rates |
| 06:56.50 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 06:57.10 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder how the "phones" will do that XP |
| 06:58.02 | SpeedEvil | Done right it could reduce SAR |
| 07:00.34 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.lauterbach.com/frames.html?country=de?home_d.html |
| 07:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | errr, cat5: http://www.3gpp.org/article/lte |
| 07:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | but I'm not doing Network Signalling, I'm working on data protocols (like I2C, SPI, several highspeed interchip connects...) |
| 07:03.27 | SpeedEvil | Fun! |
| 07:03.35 | DocScrutinizer | rather |
| 07:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 07:03.54 | DocScrutinizer | have to run |
| 07:03.57 | SpeedEvil | Bye |
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| 08:14.54 | merlin1991 | ffs my n9 went dead over night |
| 08:15.04 | auenf | forgot to charge it? |
| 08:15.13 | merlin1991 | actually I did charge it |
| 08:15.19 | merlin1991 | it already had powered down |
| 08:15.25 | merlin1991 | now I can't get it on anymore |
| 08:16.16 | merlin1991 | pluging a charger in makes the led blink |
| 08:17.09 | merlin1991 | (for a while) |
| 08:17.44 | merlin1991 | then the led lights solid for a second or two, n9 vibrates and goes back to blinking |
| 08:17.51 | merlin1991 | and that happens in a circle |
| 08:17.57 | hiemanshu | tried flashing it? |
| 08:18.36 | merlin1991 | hiemanshu: I did nothing that would need a reflash to fix |
| 08:18.47 | merlin1991 | unless normal phone use creates the need of a reflash |
| 08:19.13 | hiemanshu | merlin1991: well if the phone doesn't power on, and you cant get far enough to fix it, I'd recommend a reflash |
| 08:19.20 | hiemanshu | merlin1991: or try booting an open kernel |
| 08:19.25 | jonni | if led is blinng it means that it charging, if battery is really empty, you need to leave it blinking for an hour or so before pressing the poweron |
| 08:19.44 | merlin1991 | jonni: I think it tries to power on by itself too early |
| 08:19.53 | jonni | because if you press power on too early it just fails to boot since battery will run out during the boot |
| 08:20.01 | merlin1991 | because it has steady light for a few secs and short vibration burst |
| 08:20.05 | merlin1991 | then goes back to blinking |
| 08:20.29 | jonni | then just leave it on charger, it should succeed eventually |
| 08:20.30 | hiemanshu | steady light + short vibration = power on |
| 08:20.41 | merlin1991 | I actually think that the battery is semi dead, the thing charges it a lil to get into act dead (while blinking) then tries to boot (steady light + vibration) and fails that due to battery |
| 08:21.56 | merlin1991 | but the cycle repeats within 37 seconds |
| 08:22.00 | jonni | and are you using charger or usb cable to charge? |
| 08:22.04 | merlin1991 | charger |
| 08:22.30 | jonni | hmm, and you havent enabled r&d mode with flasher? |
| 08:22.34 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 08:23.04 | merlin1991 | I don't think it will get out of this cycle without charging longer than a few secs |
| 08:23.09 | jonni | have you tried to keep the poweron button down like 15-20 seconds (untill you get the vibra boot)? |
| 08:23.41 | jonni | for the real powerdown mode? |
| 08:23.53 | merlin1991 | tried, it never came |
| 08:24.11 | jonni | sometimes it takes more than 30seconds |
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| 08:25.35 | merlin1991 | did hold it for over a minute now, nothing |
| 08:26.19 | merlin1991 | I was skiing yesterday, so the lower temperature might have done something to the battery? |
| 08:26.33 | jonni | or you could try ./flasher --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset,force-power-key |
| 08:26.41 | jonni | that could help |
| 08:27.36 | merlin1991 | hm I'm a step further now on charger I actually get a nokia logo (no flasher yet) |
| 08:27.52 | hiemanshu | wasn't there a charging only option? |
| 08:28.09 | jonni | ah, then it just low battery, should be ok if you just keep it on charger eventually. |
| 08:28.28 | merlin1991 | but how can it get to proper load if it tries to boot every 37 secs? |
| 08:28.47 | merlin1991 | an I also had it on the charger all night long |
| 08:29.01 | jonni | hiemanshu: there is no-charging option but that does the opposite |
| 08:29.42 | hiemanshu | jonni: I recall a charging option, maybe that was for maemo then |
| 08:29.52 | jonni | merlin1991: you should try to press poweroff during the boot, and hope that it goes to state where it doesnt not try to reboot |
| 08:29.59 | merlin1991 | it was on the charger that came with the n9 untill earlier, now I've connected it to the n900 charger |
| 08:30.37 | merlin1991 | in theory they should be the same though :D |
| 08:30.52 | merlin1991 | jonni: tired, but no reaction to power button while boot, still in a loop |
| 08:31.20 | merlin1991 | jonni: what would the flasher options do you suggested? |
| 08:32.06 | jonni | merlin1991: first I would try sudo ./flasher --read-device-id since that should put your device in the mode where it doesnt try to boot up |
| 08:32.13 | jonni | ie would stay in charging state |
| 08:32.21 | merlin1991 | okay |
| 08:32.48 | jonni | and if that doesnt help then I would use --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset,force-power-key |
| 08:32.52 | merlin1991 | wonders why the n9 decided todo such a silly loop |
| 08:33.07 | merlin1991 | force-power-key does what? |
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| 08:33.32 | jonni | as with those flags device doesnt reboot if watchdog timer expires, and force-power-key gives powerkey as boot reason, so it never goes to ACT_DEAD state |
| 08:34.05 | merlin1991 | are the options persitant of for 1 boot? |
| 08:34.49 | jonni | they are persistant so if you want to remove them you do --clear-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset,force-power-key |
| 08:35.33 | merlin1991 | did the read device id, now just let it connected to ubs? |
| 08:35.36 | merlin1991 | *usb* |
| 08:36.23 | jonni | yep, when doing readdeveice id, just leave it there and dont disconnect (ie your charging with your linux machine) |
| 08:36.36 | jonni | (or windows/mac) |
| 08:36.48 | merlin1991 | btw what would the hw revision look like on a bought n9? |
| 08:37.08 | jonni | hw revision is printed on the back of the simcard holder |
| 08:37.25 | merlin1991 | nah I mean what would flasher report ? |
| 08:37.31 | merlin1991 | flasher here says 1507 |
| 08:38.05 | jonni | that varies but 1507 is quite common |
| 08:38.57 | merlin1991 | any sign if it really charges in that read device id state? |
| 08:39.05 | merlin1991 | or do you know it will? |
| 08:39.21 | jonni | if the front bottom while led is showing up it is charging |
| 08:39.41 | jonni | bottom left corner |
| 08:40.13 | merlin1991 | solid light |
| 08:40.23 | jonni | yep then it charging |
| 08:40.43 | jonni | so most likely if you leave it like that for a while, you will be ok |
| 08:41.07 | merlin1991 | I really would like to know why it went into that loop |
| 08:42.06 | jonni | usually its too empty batter & rd-mode |
| 08:42.14 | jonni | battery even |
| 08:42.28 | auenf | solid light is charged isnt it? |
| 08:42.42 | merlin1991 | uh oh, light is gone |
| 08:42.59 | merlin1991 | how could I query if r&d is enabled? |
| 08:43.18 | merlin1991 | ah --query-rd-mode |
| 08:43.19 | jonni | you can do --disable-rd-mode |
| 08:44.39 | jonni | oh and sometimes changing charger can help too, I've had bunch of car chargers that dont give enough power to the device etc |
| 08:45.38 | merlin1991 | seems like I drained the battery completely, --query-rd-mode isn't working |
| 08:45.43 | merlin1991 | flasher never finds the n9 |
| 08:46.10 | jonni | it should find if if you press the powerbutton that 30seconds |
| 08:46.27 | merlin1991 | silly, now it did |
| 08:46.39 | merlin1991 | prudction mode and r&d flags 0000 |
| 08:46.46 | merlin1991 | so I guess no r&d at all :D |
| 08:47.08 | jonni | yep looks like normal |
| 08:48.17 | jonni | you could try to that sudo ./flasher --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset,force-power-key -R |
| 08:49.18 | merlin1991 | btw now I don't get an instant response to flasher commands, device sits there with half powered solid light for some time before it responds to flasher |
| 08:49.34 | merlin1991 | and then the light goes to full power |
| 08:50.29 | jonni | thats normal, flasher commands only gets response on very initial state of the boot |
| 08:51.21 | merlin1991 | yeah but it sits like that for about a minute before vibration and response |
| 08:51.33 | jonni | thats why I usually press the powerbutton 30seconds after issuing any flasher command that I give |
| 08:52.31 | jonni | with that -R and force it should try to bootup in the normal mode without pressing anything. |
| 08:53.15 | merlin1991 | trying |
| 08:53.59 | merlin1991 | still waiting for the phone to react to flasher :/ (I did press powerbutton 30 secs beforehand) |
| 08:54.41 | jonni | trick is to keep button down untill the vibration starts and then release |
| 08:55.20 | merlin1991 | the device is more than dead, even holding it for a full minute issues no vibration |
| 08:55.20 | jonni | if you release before vibra, it does nothing |
| 08:55.57 | jonni | and if you keep it pressed after the vibra it will mess you up also |
| 08:56.00 | merlin1991 | didn't boot, gave a short ping and then went to blinking led, now dead led |
| 08:56.42 | jonni | ohwell if N9 charger overnight didnt help, then you could try n900 charger for few hours |
| 08:57.14 | jonni | sounds really wierd though, since i've never seen a device that fails to charge up after a while. |
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| 08:59.17 | merlin1991 | well it was in the cold for the first time yesterday |
| 08:59.34 | merlin1991 | maybe something in the charger chip / battery got messed up |
| 09:00.19 | merlin1991 | it also reported "battery almost empty" on the ski trip but went back to nah I have enough when I got home (wich is not that unlikely with a cold battery) |
| 09:00.43 | merlin1991 | hm connecting the charger yields no result at all |
| 09:01.13 | jonni | that is normal too, sometimes it takes 10+ minutes to get any results, like led starting to blink |
| 09:01.38 | merlin1991 | so we did just drain the battery even more trying to resurrect it? |
| 09:03.15 | jonni | if the led port on pc didnt give enough power then yes. But I would just leave it for N900/N9 charger for a while, and if it hasnt booted up in 24hours, then its nokia care time |
| 09:03.38 | jonni | led=usb |
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| 09:05.31 | merlin1991 | nokia care is going to be funky |
| 09:06.27 | merlin1991 | I got not a single paper that shows the device is mine, because I got it on a nokia event here in vienna, and all they took in return was my email |
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| 09:09.59 | jonni | heh, that shouldnt matter that much, device has been on the market less than an year, and for most countries there are always atleast 1 year warranty. Anyways most likely it will wake up after a while if you try different chargers. |
| 09:11.10 | merlin1991 | only have the n900 and the n9 one |
| 09:11.19 | merlin1991 | will try to keep it on n900 charger for a few hours |
| 09:11.40 | merlin1991 | wtf somehting new |
| 09:11.49 | merlin1991 | nokia logo + some scewdriver thingy below |
| 09:11.56 | jonni | and afaik care has fixed/replaced the other developer devices, like the free N950's on other developers. |
| 09:12.32 | merlin1991 | (still blinking led) |
| 09:12.33 | Richlv | would something like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56148 work on n9 ? |
| 09:12.46 | jonni | the screwdriver comes from the rd-mode flags (and will go away when you --disable-rd-mode again) |
| 09:13.04 | jonni | but its a good indicator if led blinks, since then its still charging |
| 09:14.20 | merlin1991 | hm I did disable them |
| 09:14.21 | merlin1991 | weird |
| 09:15.56 | merlin1991 | at least it doesn't try to boot anymore |
| 09:16.05 | merlin1991 | hopefully it can charge enough to boot again |
| 09:18.13 | Venemo | hey guys :) |
| 09:19.13 | merlin1991 | jonni: I've had other weird issues with this n9 as well |
| 09:19.21 | merlin1991 | it can't load custom kernels for example |
| 09:19.34 | merlin1991 | flasher -l -k somekernel does nothing :D |
| 09:20.06 | jonni | -l -k -b you mean, since -l -k shouldn't do anyways anything? |
| 09:21.46 | merlin1991 | yeah sorry |
| 09:21.51 | merlin1991 | I always forget the boot flag |
| 09:22.01 | merlin1991 | but yes it didn't work iwth -l -k -b |
| 09:22.10 | jonni | and flasher says OK? |
| 09:23.07 | merlin1991 | yep falsher claims success |
| 09:23.30 | merlin1991 | I tried the openmode kernel, dunnno what happens if I just recompile the current kernel from sources |
| 09:24.02 | jonni | you tried both patched and unpatched? |
| 09:24.21 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 09:24.33 | merlin1991 | btw what nolo version should flasher report, I think it says 2.12 here |
| 09:25.49 | jonni | hmm, 2.1.5 shows atleast on my PR1.1 |
| 09:25.55 | jonni | do you have PR1.1? |
| 09:26.12 | merlin1991 | yes I have |
| 09:26.19 | jonni | sounds like your nolo would be too old one which doesnt support openmode kernel |
| 09:26.22 | merlin1991 | ah wait nolo is 2.1.4 |
| 09:26.26 | merlin1991 | sry for the confusion |
| 09:26.32 | merlin1991 | err 2.1.5 |
| 09:28.27 | merlin1991 | silly, I ran --disable-rd-flags=.. but it still left the dvice in r&d mode |
| 09:29.11 | jonni | just tested on my N9, if I do --read-device-id and unplug and connect to charger without pressing anything it just charges and doesnt boot. |
| 09:29.25 | jonni | you need to run --disable-rd-mode and not flags |
| 09:29.32 | merlin1991 | yeah |
| 09:29.39 | merlin1991 | well I'll just leave it charging for now |
| 09:30.15 | merlin1991 | or not since it went back to reboot try loop |
| 09:30.16 | jonni | yep, if led is blinking now, then it should be alright after a while |
| 09:32.32 | merlin1991 | tried the -i -> replug to charger now, it tries to boot again |
| 09:32.33 | merlin1991 | FFS |
| 09:34.06 | jonni | heh, general rule if charling led if blinking, dont touch the device :) |
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| 09:34.50 | merlin1991 | well the device is back let's charge a little fail boot repate mode |
| 09:36.51 | merlin1991 | and ofc I have no backups :/ |
| 09:37.06 | merlin1991 | headdesks |
| 09:41.35 | dm8tbr | merlin1991: there is also flasher -O wait_charging or sthg like that (check chan logs for details) |
| 09:44.41 | merlin1991 | -Owait-charging according to what I found in changlogs |
| 09:45.13 | merlin1991 | though that option is for flashing |
| 09:46.19 | merlin1991 | and ofc flasher 3.12.1 treall moe invalid option O |
| 09:46.33 | merlin1991 | s/treall moe/tells me/ |
| 09:50.33 | Venemo | guys, you're gonna hate me. |
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| 09:51.04 | merlin1991 | no change I hate my n9 currently way more :D |
| 09:51.11 | merlin1991 | s/change/chance/ |
| 09:51.43 | Venemo | I've got the Lumia, and I actually like it! am I a bad person? |
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| 09:54.54 | merlin1991 | Venemo: I guess so |
| 09:56.42 | Hq` | I've been using one for a few days too... It's ok, but harmattan is still better |
| 09:59.15 | Venemo | yeah |
| 09:59.23 | Venemo | Harmattan is still better, that's true |
| 09:59.32 | Venemo | but I'd pick WP7 over android/ios any day. |
| 10:02.04 | merlin1991 | gotta love it, the nokia warranty includes 6 months of warranty for battery, but you can't change it in the n9 |
| 10:04.00 | Hq` | Venemo: yeah, me too |
| 10:04.16 | Venemo | :) |
| 10:04.26 | Aranel_N9 | merlin1991 they'd replace it for you. |
| 10:04.56 | merlin1991 | in exchange for a service fee, yay for that |
| 10:10.38 | Teo` | gah how am I supposed to send back the faulty N950 if they won't give me an addres... :-/ |
| 10:11.22 | Teo` | I've been waiting for a reply from DDP for 3 days now |
| 10:14.58 | hiemanshu | Teo`: email em again then :P |
| 10:19.25 | Teo` | hiemanshu: yeah I've just done that ;) |
| 10:19.56 | Teo` | that cluster of dead pixels has been spreading quite a bit ;_; |
| 10:22.00 | hiemanshu | Teo`: yeah it will spread for some time and stop |
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| 10:42.13 | gri | lol, my app got rejected again for using /usr/lib/AccountSetup and /usr/share/l10n/ |
| 10:46.05 | merlin1991 | hm /usr/lib/AccountSetup sounds a lil necessary? |
| 10:46.28 | merlin1991 | and I bet some of that used /user/share/l10n/ ? |
| 10:46.44 | gri | yes |
| 10:46.57 | gri | AccountSetup is necessary to provide a ui for accountsetup |
| 10:47.15 | gri | l10n is necessary for the translation strings in /usr/share/accounts/providers/*.provider |
| 10:48.11 | gri | last time I replied them their "list of path name exceptions" is incomplete. They replied with "we will check with the meego team". Now two days later I have no remail reply what the meego team said but simply got qa rejected for the same reason |
| 10:48.36 | jonni | most likely you could duplicate translation strings into your app dir |
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| 10:48.52 | gri | hmm? |
| 10:49.04 | jonni | and accountsetup will be rejected untill someone would add it to allowed list |
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| 10:49.30 | jonni | afaik translations can be located anywhere you want |
| 10:49.31 | gri | well I think the guy who did the qa did not know of the "ask the meego team" |
| 10:49.48 | jonni | (ie in your app dir) |
| 10:49.51 | gri | jonni: Nope, the translations of meegotouch have to be in /usr/share/l10n/meegotouch |
| 10:50.05 | gri | and "Accounts" ui is a meegotouch application |
| 10:50.25 | jonni | gri: I though you can add custom paths with qt api's |
| 10:50.38 | jonni | ie extending the search path |
| 10:50.38 | gri | well the "Accounts" app is the harmattan system one |
| 10:50.41 | gri | closed nokia source |
| 10:51.24 | jonni | but cant you add the path to your plugin, or maybe my brains are just on holiday mood |
| 10:51.42 | gri | where should I add this path? |
| 10:51.50 | gri | I feed "Accounts" with a simple xml file |
| 10:51.53 | gri | no code involved |
| 10:52.38 | jonni | ah, and you introduce some new strings that need to be translated, ie cannot use existing translations? |
| 10:53.20 | gri | sure, why should my strings exist in harmattan? |
| 10:53.31 | gri | they are my own :) |
| 10:53.50 | jonni | and you cannot change strings to icons which wouldnt need any translations? :) |
| 10:53.54 | gri | I can only define a <translation>appname</translation> key |
| 10:54.14 | gri | Sure I can make it untranslated but I want translations! |
| 10:54.23 | gri | why should I submit crap because ovi qa is too stupid? |
| 10:54.56 | jonni | ah, or they just dont allow 3rd party account plugins, but hopefully someone from meegoteam will change the policy and add the allow path |
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| 10:55.29 | gri | I really wonder why they did accept the application once in the store |
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| 10:55.39 | gri | and now rejected the same package with 2 changed lines of code twice |
| 10:57.06 | jonni | they got instructions to actually check the debian paths, like my fried got application approved earlied which installed under /usr/bin earlier, and now he got reject on updated version |
| 10:58.21 | gri | I hate timezones |
| 10:58.37 | gri | since the qa team is in vancouver and the meego team in finland I think |
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| 10:58.56 | gri | so if they ask the meego team back it takes more than a day |
| 10:59.11 | jonni | I hate 7 days feedbacktime on any small change :) |
| 10:59.36 | gri | 22 days of hopeless publish tries here |
| 11:00.46 | gri | I wanted to take part at the "Qt Innovation Challenge" which says the app has to be in the store on 31.12. ... but I think my app won't make it :( |
| 11:01.28 | jonni | I've never had any rejects yet, just slow approval times. knock the wood :) |
| 11:02.18 | merlin1991 | n9 still in happy reboot loop, nokia care it is |
| 11:03.04 | gri | lumia will knock on my door today says dhl |
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| 11:21.05 | ieatlint | gri: yours shipped? |
| 11:21.17 | gri | dhl says delivered |
| 11:21.21 | gri | and signed with my name |
| 11:21.25 | gri | but I'm not at home |
| 11:21.25 | SpeedEvil | Woo! |
| 11:21.30 | ieatlint | i thought i was quick to order, and mine still hasn't been processed at all |
| 11:21.31 | SpeedEvil | has it! |
| 11:21.36 | SpeedEvil | (not really) |
| 11:21.49 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: still not shipped? |
| 11:21.58 | SpeedEvil | Oh! |
| 11:22.00 | ieatlint | "New Order" "Last Modified Date: 14.12.2011" |
| 11:22.03 | SpeedEvil | hasn't checked email today. |
| 11:22.04 | gri | the n950 was delivered by dhl and was at the front door of the house |
| 11:22.13 | SpeedEvil | Dear Customer, our order has been sent on 22.12.2011. Please see the order information below. Order: OID-060197 |
| 11:22.23 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: WTF |
| 11:22.26 | gri | it seems the dhl guy did again sign by himself and put it somewhere in the garden (it's raining) |
| 11:22.30 | hiemanshu | still not sent for me, and I am at 160 |
| 11:22.37 | SpeedEvil | This morning, 1 hour ago |
| 11:22.39 | ieatlint | yeah, my order is 060183, you theiving bastard |
| 11:22.44 | ieatlint | you stole our places in line |
| 11:22.51 | hiemanshu | ieatlint: lets kill SpeedEvil |
| 11:22.55 | ieatlint | and you will pay |
| 11:22.56 | gri | mine was 060054 |
| 11:23.02 | ieatlint | you will suffer wp7 longer than any of us |
| 11:23.25 | hiemanshu | ieatlint: if its suffering, then send me your Lumia lol :P |
| 11:23.35 | ieatlint | i don't rightly know yet :P |
| 11:23.41 | ieatlint | i do have a morbid curiosity |
| 11:24.02 | SpeedEvil | I promise not to sell it on ebay, and I might do something with it that doesn't involve dropping it from 100000 feet. |
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| 11:24.20 | SpeedEvil | (though that'd be kinda cool and might not be percieved as negative by them, if done right) |
| 11:24.49 | ieatlint | my plan was just to take the silicone case it came with and trade it with the one on my n9 so i can take videos of people without that pesky amber light |
| 11:25.09 | SpeedEvil | Pervert! |
| 11:25.23 | SpeedEvil | I note that I duct taped my n950 yesterday for that very purpose. |
| 11:25.25 | hiemanshu | lol |
| 11:25.55 | ieatlint | pervert... naturally |
| 11:26.17 | ieatlint | but so long as i do it from public property, it's legal where i live |
| 11:26.41 | arekinath | do all the children keep asking their parents questions about what the red light means? |
| 11:27.19 | ieatlint | no, but they're curious about that hand in my pocket |
| 11:27.29 | SpeedEvil | I was actually taping someone that came to my house. |
| 11:27.43 | SpeedEvil | In order to have evidence, if required about what I said to them. |
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| 11:28.00 | ieatlint | my gf has repeatedly borrowed my n8 to secretly record things actually |
| 11:28.34 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil: if it's an actual legal matter, save yourself the trouble by not mentioning it here :P |
| 11:28.43 | arekinath | SpeedEvil: be careful with that, in some jurisdictions, recording a conversation where the person would have reasonable expectation of privacy can be inadmissible in a legal setting. ianal |
| 11:28.51 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: This particular act was legal. |
| 11:29.01 | ieatlint | i've been in a lawsuit.. the fewer people involved with any info the better |
| 11:29.02 | SpeedEvil | I checked. |
| 11:29.08 | Richlv | ugh, hadn't noticed that silly light. can it be just disabled ? |
| 11:29.35 | ieatlint | Richlv: i think it might actually be done by the camera module itself |
| 11:29.41 | ieatlint | so realistic answer: no |
| 11:30.08 | rwhitby | nothing a very small drill won't fix |
| 11:30.09 | Richlv | well, the flash leds themselves can be controlled as evident by the flashlight apps... |
| 11:30.25 | ieatlint | rwhitby: but then no flash or light |
| 11:30.33 | Tronic | On N900 at least the recording light can be controlled. |
| 11:30.47 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: It's not |
| 11:31.00 | Tronic | I am pretty sure that on N9 as well, probably handled via the same register as the flash leds. |
| 11:31.02 | ieatlint | nice then |
| 11:31.04 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: It's similar to on the n900 - it's a video4linux control on the camera interface |
| 11:31.21 | ieatlint | perhaps in the future i won't need tape to facilitate my secret recordings |
| 11:31.22 | SpeedEvil | - well - at lower level, it isn't - but that's what it is to the medium layers. |
| 11:31.25 | SpeedEvil | It's not hardware |
| 11:31.46 | ieatlint | the flash i knew was on phone firmware |
| 11:32.14 | ieatlint | but i had actually guessed that the firmware on the camera module would control the red/amber recording led |
| 11:32.17 | Richlv | i don't plan any secret recording, i just don't like silly lights & sounds :) |
| 11:32.48 | ieatlint | i agree with the latter part of that |
| 11:33.00 | ieatlint | and it's 100% legal here to have no sound or light |
| 11:33.11 | Tronic | In Finland secret recording even in private spaces is permitted, if you are there yourself. The idea goes that if you can see/hear something, you may also record it without telling the others. |
| 11:33.19 | Tronic | Same for telephone calls. |
| 11:33.49 | ieatlint | and here it's a crime to record a phone call with someone without their knowledge |
| 11:34.04 | SpeedEvil | Here, only if you're not one party |
| 11:34.13 | Tronic | ieatlint: Yes, it appears to be so in many places. |
| 11:34.36 | ieatlint | but i don't have to be present to record people secretly -- so long as it's my property or public property, and the subject doesn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy |
| 11:34.47 | ieatlint | ie, toilet no, open window yes |
| 11:34.49 | Tronic | That's why older Nokia phones would beep every few seconds when recording. |
| 11:36.17 | ieatlint | i know i had to change my n8 software to another product code to allow me to disable the picture capture sound :( |
| 11:37.05 | Richlv | on this n9 i just removed some wavs :) |
| 11:37.18 | Richlv | and if sound is turned all the way down, that also removes camera sounds |
| 11:37.22 | ieatlint | on the n9 it doesn't make noise if the phone is in silent mode |
| 11:37.28 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 11:37.28 | Richlv | but i still liked the feeling of removing those files |
| 11:37.40 | ieatlint | yeah, i'll probably do the same |
| 11:38.29 | gri | my video camera also has no lights or sound |
| 11:39.46 | ieatlint | also, entirely off-topic, but i just drove 700km to get home and now i have beer |
| 11:39.49 | ieatlint | is having a good day |
| 11:39.53 | Richlv | tries to find some other camera app to figure out whether lights go on with it as well |
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| 11:43.38 | ajalkane | Hallelujah. Santa Nokia gave me a replacement N950 for the dead-pixel mess that I had |
| 11:45.23 | ieatlint | just wait though, nokia is going to demand all those n950s back next month |
| 11:45.24 | hiemanshu | ajalkane: I still have to send in mine |
| 11:45.33 | ieatlint | (this is how rumours start :) |
| 11:45.46 | macmaN | lol |
| 11:45.54 | ajalkane | ieatlint: oh, so that we can concentrate on WP development on the Lumias? :) |
| 11:46.03 | macmaN | thanks for making me bring up irssi thanks to that highlight |
| 11:46.03 | ieatlint | exactly |
| 11:46.08 | ajalkane | hiemanshu: you should... who knows how long their N950 batch lasts |
| 11:46.25 | hiemanshu | ajalkane: I dont have extra phones to do, but I'll do it after new years now |
| 11:47.00 | ieatlint | what's wrong with your n950 hiemanshu? |
| 11:47.06 | Richlv | hrm. failed to find any other app that could use camera for video |
| 11:47.09 | ieatlint | certainly seems like there's a noticeable failure rate on these |
| 11:47.11 | hiemanshu | dead pixel mass in the middle of the screen |
| 11:47.48 | hiemanshu | that grew for a few days at a significant rate, and its still growing now, slowly thouhg |
| 11:48.34 | ieatlint | ouch |
| 11:49.17 | ajalkane | hiemanshu: yeah it's hard to part with it. I had it easy as I live near where they're supposed to be returned, so I just went there and got replacement on the spot. |
| 11:50.09 | hiemanshu | ajalkane: aah |
| 11:50.13 | ieatlint | so how easily can you bribe those people then? |
| 11:52.28 | ajalkane | They were nice and friendly, but I didn't get the feeling they were looking for bribes :) |
| 11:53.48 | hiemanshu | ajalkane: then try and get one more :P |
| 11:55.50 | Richlv | oh, btw, i couldn't get something like http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=72419 to work on n9 - what did i do wrong ? |
| 11:56.33 | ieatlint | Richlv: you assumed the n900 and the n9 were compatible |
| 11:57.25 | Richlv | i stopped doing that some time ago ;) |
| 11:57.32 | Richlv | but i still hoped there would be similarities |
| 11:57.46 | ieatlint | i think qtmobility might actually be able to offer some of that functionality though |
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| 12:08.50 | auenf | accuweather ad fail |
| 12:08.58 | auenf | aparently i have won a free ipad 2 |
| 12:09.05 | auenf | but i have to 'click here to claim' |
| 12:09.13 | auenf | how do i click on a touch phone? |
| 12:09.48 | hiemanshu | haha |
| 12:09.59 | ieatlint | dude, you're so lucky |
| 12:10.36 | ieatlint | all my friends have won ipad 2s... one even was selected to beta test the ipad 3 from an ad |
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| 12:19.36 | merlin1991 | jonni: care took it without asking :) |
| 12:20.33 | Pali | ping X-Fade |
| 12:22.53 | jonni | merlin1991: good :) |
| 12:28.55 | merlin1991 | Now 7 to 10 days, suuure with all the christmas business :) |
| 12:45.38 | gri | lumia is black if one is interested in that |
| 12:52.50 | auenf | black is the new ??? |
| 12:53.55 | auenf | btw, is "open sms notifications with web2sms" broken in the broken version? |
| 12:54.52 | gri | it only works when the program is running |
| 12:55.35 | RST38h | gri; And how is it, otherwise? |
| 12:55.50 | gri | RST38h: ? |
| 12:56.03 | RST38h | the lumia, I mean |
| 12:56.13 | gri | I haven't turned it on |
| 12:56.19 | gri | still in the plastic cover |
| 12:56.49 | auenf | trying to work out how to fit all the n950 bits inside it? |
| 12:57.14 | gri | no, I will give the pleasure to start it to my girlfriend |
| 12:57.30 | merlin1991 | Even though the harmattan browser sucks it's still better than microb |
| 12:57.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | not really |
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| 12:58.11 | gri | auenf: you can also have a unbroken version if you tell me which provider you want to use :) |
| 12:58.33 | auenf | exetel |
| 12:59.23 | gri | ok, we were not able to verify exetel working so you could test that for us (yet none of the providers worked at the first try) |
| 12:59.29 | Richlv | ieatlint, hrm, can qtmobility be queried from the cli ? i don't think there's a shiny app for that yet |
| 13:00.26 | l32606 | hi guys, anyone know how to make N9 vibrate using d-bus? |
| 13:00.26 | npm | i have a dumb question regarding gstreamer -- I setup a way of inline converting media formats before sending over network -- but it sends over network at original audio playback rate... i want it sent as fast as possible... how?? |
| 13:00.54 | auenf | it wasnt working the other day, came up with a message saying i was using a broken version |
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| 13:02.00 | npm | and nothing in http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-base-libs/html/gst-plugins-base-libs-appsink.html suggests why introducing 'appsink' would do this |
| 13:02.00 | l32606 | "req_vibrator_pattern_activate" doesn't work, but it's ok with my N900. |
| 13:02.49 | Elleo | npm: at a guess you might need to set the sync property to false |
| 13:02.58 | npm | (other than that, i just got the hard part of http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=36585&postcount=10 working :-) ) |
| 13:03.09 | Elleo | otherwise I believe it'll keep to the playback clock |
| 13:03.10 | npm | Elleo: thanks |
| 13:03.52 | Elleo | npm: voice2goog is cool by the way :) |
| 13:05.46 | npm | finds http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/Example_GStreamer_Pipelines |
| 13:05.50 | npm | Elleo: thanks! |
| 13:08.01 | npm | although this current feature isn't anything anybody wants, it is infrastructure that i've alwayys wanted... |
| 13:08.08 | npm | and yes the sync property seems to be the key |
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| 13:18.04 | npm | because every phone needs it's own webserver built in, of course.... :-) |
| 13:19.05 | npm | well other than coredumping, that went perfectly |
| 13:20.54 | npm | oh actually it's fine |
| 13:21.50 | npm | wow i can't believe it works :-) |
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| 13:23.46 | Elleo | npm: cool :) |
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| 13:28.58 | jonni | l32606: you can just use Qt mobility feedback api to activate vibra, no need for d-bus. |
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| 13:37.19 | l32606 | jonni, feedback does work! Thank you. |
| 13:39.49 | Richlv | is there some intro in using that api from the cli ? |
| 13:46.40 | l32606 | Richlv, the api is for c++, not for shell... |
| 13:47.11 | Richlv | right, but maybe there is some cli tool to send queries to it ? |
| 13:52.24 | l32606 | i think there should be. |
| 13:52.54 | l32606 | but i don't found it |
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| 14:13.39 | ajalkane | Funny... after reflashing the new N950, and restoring backups, the MTF accounts don't work anymore. Not even if I re-enter the password |
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| 15:02.40 | warp_ | this is the configuration im using http://pastebin.com/MFaBFJJJ |
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| 18:07.12 | RST38h | The Boeing 747 Airborne Laser project has been mothballed despite successfully destroying a ballistic missile and other targets. |
| 18:07.18 | RST38h | WHAT? NO LASER? WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 18:08.11 | RST38h | Also see: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/22/lumia_sales/ |
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| 18:19.03 | ZogG_laptop | RST38h: i like you injections of news =) |
| 18:19.13 | ZogG_laptop | hm nokia suits beta is out |
| 18:19.29 | RST38h | throws up at the mention of Nokia Suite |
| 18:19.38 | ZogG_laptop | interesting - does it support N9 |
| 18:19.59 | ZogG_laptop | i wouldn't bother to boot into windows to check and jus find out it doesn't |
| 18:20.40 | daniel_o | for testing i have to delete the n9 first, right? |
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| 18:22.58 | ZogG_laptop | delete n9? |
| 18:25.14 | ZogG_laptop | daniel_o: what do you mean by delete? |
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| 18:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | >>... Starting 11 January 2012, the Nokia Lumia 710 phone will be available in the United States at T-Mobile retail stores, at selected dealers and retailers, and online. The phone will sell for $49.99 after a $50 mail-in rebate and with a two-year plan.<< |
| 18:28.45 | daniel_o | ZogG_laptop: from the nokia suite.. |
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| 18:35.15 | ajalkane | Lumia 710 is SOOOOO beatiful! Great way to enter USA! |
| 18:35.47 | hiemanshu | but 800 is better! |
| 18:36.38 | ajalkane | I was just sarcastic. I think 710 is ugly, 800 looks great and should have been introduced instead |
| 18:36.57 | luke-jr | Does N9[50] use phonet? |
| 18:37.05 | ZogG_laptop | daniel_o: if you have support, do not update as they deleted support from certain version |
| 18:37.18 | ajalkane | I hope someone figures out a way to install Mer to 800 :) |
| 18:37.30 | ZogG_laptop | hmm TalkBox on n9 ) |
| 18:38.12 | daniel_o | yeah i installed Nokia Ovi Suite 3.0.0.290 first, n9 works, then updated to nokia suite 3.2.100 or sth.. still works :) |
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| 18:40.03 | ZogG_laptop | daniel_o: i don't use windows almost at all so don't care =) |
| 18:41.56 | daniel_o | i use it, but i don't like ovi suite :D so i don't really care too :D |
| 18:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: phonet0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 15-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 18:47.34 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: can you test gps2 on it plz? ☺ |
| 18:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | how would I do that? |
| 18:48.12 | luke-jr | wget http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps2 && chmod +x gps2 && ./gps2 |
| 18:48.16 | luke-jr | easiest way |
| 18:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I doubt this will work, but I'll give it a try as it's c&p ;-D |
| 18:48.47 | luke-jr | :P |
| 18:49.24 | luke-jr | I'm basically trying to answer the question "is this protocol common for all phonet phones, all Nokia phones, or just N900?" |
| 18:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | sh: ./gps2: Operation not permitted |
| 18:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ./gps2 |
| 18:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | gps2: gps2.c:90: main: Assertion `sck >= 0' failed. |
| 18:50.43 | luke-jr | sudo? |
| 18:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | Aborted (core dumped) |
| 18:50.46 | luke-jr | blah |
| 18:51.09 | luke-jr | DRM? |
| 18:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | devel-su, not sudo |
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| 18:51.40 | luke-jr | that assertion is a simple "open phonet socket" :| |
| 18:51.53 | luke-jr | I'm assuming you have the cellmo running/online |
| 18:53.16 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: is it possible to bypass the DRM? |
| 18:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/149961/ |
| 18:53.52 | DocScrutinizer | hah, no, I got nop SIM |
| 18:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | no SIM |
| 18:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless I guess that's not the cause |
| 18:54.33 | luke-jr | I don't know anything about N9 DRM :/ |
| 18:55.16 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/initcellmo *might* help if you get past the DRM issue, but this one is a lot more likely to be N900-specific so unlikely to work on other stuff |
| 18:55.52 | luke-jr | I suppose firing up the N9's GPS would do the init too |
| 18:56.16 | luke-jr | might have to reboot later if liblocation and gps2 try to do the same thing tho |
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| 20:24.56 | artemma | I am googling for how you get started with Qt autotesting and fail to find a tutorial or simple project to start from. Please, advise something |
| 20:25.17 | artemma | I know how to use testlib itself and I am able to create and run tests for my classes. I am looking for the proper project structure and for info on how to use it with qmake/make |
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| 21:17.41 | javispedro | turns out I dislike PenTile... |
| 21:19.27 | javispedro | read on XDA someone asking whether the Lumia also had a bluish tint when viewed from an angle like the N9, and someone else answering "no". |
| 21:20.19 | javispedro | either this Lumia is defective, XDA is filled with idiots, or with fanboys that outright lie =) |
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| 21:36.28 | marsje | how can I restart the sshd daemon on the N9? |
| 21:37.34 | daniel_o | it was sth like: tkill -o sshd |
| 21:37.40 | daniel_o | but let me check :D |
| 21:38.02 | ajalkane | artemma: I don't have a good solution for unit testing with qmake, but this was my compromise between simplicity and doing tests: http://meegoharmattandev.blogspot.com/2011/11/simple-c-unittests-with-qtcreator.html |
| 21:38.02 | marsje | yeah, check, before I kill someone :) |
| 21:38.18 | ajalkane | I'm also interested in seeing a proper way to do unit tests. |
| 21:38.33 | artemma | ajalkane: I pretty much ended up copying qt source structure |
| 21:38.42 | artemma | not super happy, but progressing |
| 21:39.08 | ajalkane | artemma: okay, was it relatively painless and does it work well? |
| 21:39.15 | artemma | right now figuring how to make it build tests only when needed and running them via "make check" |
| 21:39.40 | artemma | ajalkane: my mileage is some 30-40 min only |
| 21:40.05 | daniel_o | pkill -o sshd |
| 21:40.09 | artemma | so far, ok. Biggest clash with my views in that you need to build a parallel hierarchy of tests next to src |
| 21:40.14 | daniel_o | marsje: that's the correct one |
| 21:40.29 | artemma | I prefer having tests as a subdir of sources |
| 21:40.35 | ajalkane | artemma: okay cool, thanks, doesn't sound too bad, I have to take a look |
| 21:41.27 | artemma | oh well, you can have tests as a subdir of sources, but then there were too many .pro file and their name clashes and I m not very experienced with .pro syntax, so I resorted to parallel tests tree |
| 21:42.21 | marsje | daniel_o: that works, thanks |
| 21:42.55 | ajalkane | I'm okay with parallel tests trees. As long as I can easily run the tests, and still get the final executable without the tests, it's okay for me |
| 21:42.59 | marsje | daniel_o: eventhought the outout doing it as "user" is the same as when root (= nothing), it only works as root |
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| 21:44.45 | daniel_o | marsje: yeah of course.. :) |
| 21:45.14 | marsje | daniel_o: yeah, of course, but I was expecting some kind of error message when doing it as non-root |
| 21:46.28 | daniel_o | oh yeah right :D |
| 21:47.12 | marsje | was trying to enable keepa-lives in sshd to keep my ssh/wifi connection up |
| 21:47.21 | marsje | but seems it does not work |
| 21:48.09 | daniel_o | hmm i never played around with that |
| 21:48.35 | gabriel9 | hai |
| 21:48.40 | marsje | I ssh into my N9 over wifi, but after 20 seconds idle my connection is gone :) |
| 21:48.54 | daniel_o | but wifi is stable? |
| 21:49.15 | gabriel9 | anyone wish to help to create harmattan sdk package for my distro(archlinux) ? |
| 21:49.23 | gabriel9 | i just need some advice |
| 21:49.46 | daniel_o | i used that often, for hours.. and never had disconnects.. even my wifi conncetion isn't the best |
| 21:49.48 | gabriel9 | i will maintain package and update it |
| 21:50.46 | marsje | daniel_o: I was stable before, but not anymore... I think since I disabled all accounts on my phone to try to do anything on the network |
| 21:51.11 | marsje | daniel_o: I was guessing it would disconnect it because it was idle |
| 21:51.35 | daniel_o | marsje: sounds weird :) |
| 21:52.09 | marsje | daniel_o: well, I only have it a week and I see many weird things... |
| 21:52.33 | daniel_o | just to make sure, i try ssh connection now again |
| 21:52.59 | marsje | also I disabled background connections |
| 21:53.21 | marsje | so I think, and hope, the phone is being smart and disables the wifi because it's not needed |
| 21:53.57 | ajalkane | It's funny with this Lumia 800. I don't even care when it arrives. With N950 I was clicking every couple of hours on the posting delivery link to see if it's soming near. But I guess it may whoop me off me feet and I'll be developing on it in no time? :) |
| 21:54.05 | daniel_o | marsje: hmm on battery safe mode it does |
| 21:54.27 | marsje | daniel_o: it recharging right now, but battery level is still low |
| 21:54.56 | marsje | you mean the energy saving mode that starts when the battery is almost empty right? |
| 21:55.21 | gabriel9 | anyone use Linux for develpment? |
| 21:55.58 | marsje | gabriel9: I managed to install the SDK this week, but I haven't used it yet. I'm on Xubuntu 11.10 |
| 21:56.01 | daniel_o | marsje: yeah, but u can change it to always use this mode, or never use this mode |
| 21:56.08 | jpwhiting | gabriel9: I do here |
| 21:56.19 | jpwhiting | it works fine with the Qt sdk from the qt.nokia.com website |
| 21:56.35 | marsje | daniel_o: so it's the combination of wifi being idle and battery almost empty |
| 21:56.37 | jpwhiting | 1.1.4 |
| 21:56.53 | daniel_o | could be |
| 21:56.55 | daniel_o | try |
| 21:56.56 | gabriel9 | i already have Qt creator |
| 21:56.59 | marsje | jpwhiting: it does not work that fine for me... installing it was a disaster |
| 21:57.19 | daniel_o | settings - device - battery |
| 21:57.23 | jpwhiting | marsje: hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/842234 probably? |
| 21:57.23 | marsje | jpwhiting: but I had to add a command line option to the installer and then it wen much better |
| 21:57.42 | jpwhiting | changed the qt theme from gtk+ to cleanlooks and it worked fine after that |
| 21:58.25 | marsje | jpwhiting: not sure if it's that one, but could be... I got a huge window that did not fit on my screen so I could not press any buttons |
| 21:58.36 | jpwhiting | marsje: yep, same here |
| 21:58.45 | jpwhiting | unity hang basically |
| 21:58.50 | marsje | and at the same time my machine started swapping like crazy making my system unsuable |
| 21:58.59 | jpwhiting | nods |
| 21:59.37 | marsje | I got the same effect when I started the SDK and tried to install the updates |
| 21:59.49 | marsje | this is how far I got with the SDK so far.. |
| 22:00.01 | marsje | not very motivating |
| 22:00.20 | jpwhiting | marsje: install qt4-qtconfig and run qconfig-qt4 |
| 22:00.28 | jpwhiting | and change the qt theme from gtk+ to anything else |
| 22:00.35 | jpwhiting | I think the problem is in the style itself |
| 22:01.15 | marsje | jpwhiting: I'll try that... thanks for the tip |
| 22:01.19 | jpwhiting | as they suggest at the end of that bug |
| 22:01.20 | jpwhiting | np |
| 22:01.28 | marsje | anyway, my main problem is the messageserver on the N9 going crazy and sucking dry the battery |
| 22:01.32 | ZogG_laptop | gri sup |
| 22:01.56 | marsje | if I or nokia does not fix it, I would be pretty disappointed with my shiny new N9 |
| 22:02.30 | marsje | still not sure what's the cause of it |
| 22:02.56 | jpwhiting | what e-mail accounts have you configured? messageserver is part of qt mobility, right? |
| 22:03.00 | jpwhiting | the email server iirc |
| 22:03.28 | marsje | I added a bunch of accounts and I'm not sure which one is causing the problem |
| 22:03.39 | marsje | but I found out that if I disable all of them, I have no problem |
| 22:03.52 | marsje | but a phone with everything disabled is no fun... |
| 22:04.03 | marsje | it might be my own IMAP account |
| 22:04.38 | marsje | it uses a ssl cert from cacart.org and I haven't seen the n9 asking me if I trust it |
| 22:04.41 | ZogG_laptop | mardy, gri, filled bugs 492 and 493 =) |
| 22:04.45 | marsje | so maybe this is not handled well |
| 22:04.53 | jpwhiting | marsje: sounds likely |
| 22:05.05 | jpwhiting | have you tried enabling the other accounts but not that one? |
| 22:05.10 | marsje | I tried adding the root cert from cacert.org but not sure if that worked |
| 22:05.31 | marsje | yeah, this is what I have to do now... but the problem so far only appeared when I'm at work |
| 22:05.59 | marsje | so it might be related to the company firewall or something |
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| 22:06.28 | marsje | but whatever it is, message server is not supposed to use 99% cpu time for hours |
| 22:06.50 | jonni | just kill/restart the process |
| 22:07.00 | marsje | jonni: doesn't help |
| 22:07.10 | marsje | it restarts and starts to use 99% again |
| 22:07.18 | jonni | and your running PR1.1 |
| 22:07.29 | marsje | well, maybe not 99%, but more than 60% for sure |
| 22:07.53 | jonni | I remember seeing bug/fix in some bugzilla, but dont remember the details anymore. |
| 22:08.20 | marsje | PR_#41 |
| 22:08.25 | marsje | PR_341 |
| 22:08.48 | marsje | 10.2011.34-1.341.01.2_PR_341 to be exact |
| 22:09.27 | jonni | thats PR1.0, 1st I would suggest upgrading to PR1.1 since in there bunch of message server bugs were fixed |
| 22:09.57 | marsje | yikes |
| 22:10.02 | marsje | well, this is my other problem |
| 22:10.22 | marsje | although I ordered at a Dutch shop, I seem to have a Polish version made for Orange |
| 22:10.33 | marsje | so far, no updates yet |
| 22:11.06 | marsje | if anyone can help me upgrade, I would be very grateful |
| 22:11.21 | jonni | well random operator variants updates started rolling few days ago, so you might want to go to application manager and check for updates |
| 22:11.57 | jonni | or connect your phone to PC which has NSU installed. |
| 22:12.32 | marsje | update check on the phone says my phone is up to date |
| 22:12.38 | marsje | what is NSU? |
| 22:12.44 | ZogG_laptop | marsje: do you have windows? |
| 22:12.48 | marsje | and does it work on linux? |
| 22:12.53 | marsje | no.... |
| 22:12.54 | jonni | NokiaSoftwareUpdate for windows |
| 22:12.54 | ZogG_laptop | just wanted to say NSU |
| 22:13.11 | marsje | why do I need windows to update a linux phone? |
| 22:13.32 | jonni | windows client which installs the firmware update |
| 22:13.39 | marsje | great... |
| 22:13.51 | Clint | is this reason i don't get any caller id names on incoming calls or could it be something else? https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=108 |
| 22:13.56 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 108 enh, ---, ---, ext-risto.lahti, ASSI, Support CNAP (callerid name presentation) |
| 22:13.59 | marsje | will try and abuse my win7 work laptop for that then |
| 22:14.20 | jonni | (and lastly the not endorsed way is to use virtualbox/navifirm to download the image to linux and flash with flasher, forums have instructions) |
| 22:14.33 | marsje | what's so special about NSU that can't be done on linux? |
| 22:15.02 | marsje | jonni: heard about it... how dangerous is it? |
| 22:15.16 | ajalkane | marsje: nothing, just no one has done the application for linux |
| 22:15.35 | jonni | only special thing is that NSU client is only available on Windows currently... (well betalabs is another story). But flasher binary is available on win,linux and mac. |
| 22:16.33 | marsje | what's the difference between nsu and flasher? |
| 22:16.37 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: there was nothing or linux ever =( except console flasher |
| 22:16.53 | luke-jr | any of you guys have an unlocked N9(50)? |
| 22:17.00 | ZogG_laptop | it was enuf for maemo, but i would prefer to have proper program |
| 22:17.04 | jonni | marsje: nsu downloads and flashes the image, flasher can only flash but cannot download |
| 22:17.29 | marsje | does it use the same images and sources? |
| 22:17.33 | ZogG_laptop | i can download myself |
| 22:17.43 | jonni | luke-jr: all the N9(50) are unlocked, I havent heard anyone having a locked one |
| 22:17.54 | luke-jr | jonni: no, they're all locked by default |
| 22:18.21 | luke-jr | maybe not the cellmo, but the CPU |
| 22:18.34 | jonni | luke-jr: nope, there is no sim lock, if they would be a lot cheaper |
| 22:18.37 | ajalkane | marsje: flasher has the image with it, NSU downloads the image from Nokia servers. Some people claim it downloads it by illegal means. |
| 22:18.38 | luke-jr | I don't mean SIM |
| 22:19.02 | ajalkane | luke-jr: you mean Open Kernel mode? |
| 22:19.08 | jonni | 99.9% mean SIM when they ask about locked. |
| 22:19.23 | luke-jr | ajalkane: sure |
| 22:19.56 | jonni | I've tested open mode kernel, but not using it anymore, since everything can be done in secure mode kernel too |
| 22:20.11 | luke-jr | jonni: everything? |
| 22:20.26 | jonni | luke-jr: well atleast on the N9 devices that I have |
| 22:20.30 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: except led and probably a lot more |
| 22:20.31 | ajalkane | Well, I can't get DeviceModeControl credentials with "secure mode kernel" |
| 22:20.36 | luke-jr | jonni: wget http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps2 && chmod +x gps2 && ./gps2 |
| 22:20.56 | jonni | ZogG_laptop: I have led capability on unknown origin in secure mode too :) |
| 22:21.12 | ajalkane | I surely will like to try the open mode kernel once it matures. But I don't have the time to be in the front lines :( |
| 22:21.15 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: how so? |
| 22:21.59 | jonni | ajalkane: there is a way to get those credentials too, but you need to do some tricks to gain them. |
| 22:22.05 | luke-jr | jonni: … |
| 22:22.49 | jonni | running unknown origin binaries without seeing to sources in my phone? must be joking :) |
| 22:22.51 | ajalkane | jonni: and are those tricks something you can distribute to end users, via either Ovi Store or Apps For Meego ? |
| 22:22.59 | luke-jr | jonni: append .c to URI for sources ;) |
| 22:23.17 | luke-jr | ie http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps2.c |
| 22:24.30 | jonni | ajalkane: well not really, since you would need exploit things that would be fixed in future releases. |
| 22:25.00 | luke-jr | jonni: so can you run that plz? |
| 22:25.01 | ajalkane | jonni: ok thanks, but then it's quite useless at least for me. |
| 22:25.52 | ajalkane | At least if and when open mode kernel works, I could distribute an application that would work as intended for those who installed open kernel |
| 22:25.53 | jonni | yep, its only usefull if you want to do stuff in your own personal device, but for software distribution no luck, most likely policy will never allow it |
| 22:26.49 | ajalkane | If I've understood correctly, you can check what credentials are available for the application in run-time, so you could nicely disable/enable functionality based on whether open kernel was running |
| 22:27.27 | ajalkane | It's of course something I'd rather not do, doing separate code paths like that, but seems like it's the only solution. |
| 22:27.43 | luke-jr | jonni: or tell me how you'd get it past the DRM nonsense, so DocScrutinizer can run it? :P |
| 22:29.50 | jonni | ajalkane: yep you can easily check if your app is running in open mode vs secure mode |
| 22:30.18 | jonni | luke-jr: just wondering why are you doing that in hard way when there is mobility api for all the gps stuff |
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| 22:30.42 | luke-jr | jonni: because I'm implementing it in gpsd. |
| 22:30.44 | luke-jr | natively. |
| 22:30.49 | luke-jr | for systems without mobility api nonsense |
| 22:35.44 | marsje | argh |
| 22:36.00 | marsje | when I check my imap mail on my n9 is says: connecting to server |
| 22:36.05 | marsje | and then nothing happens at all |
| 22:36.10 | jonni | luke-jr: gps2: gps2.c:90: main: Assertion `sck >= 0' failed. |
| 22:36.14 | marsje | I tried tcpdump and nothing is there |
| 22:36.26 | marsje | I see this in my syslog... any idea? |
| 22:36.27 | marsje | Dec 22 23:34:55 (2011) mce[551]: mce-io.c:mce_close_file(): Failed to close `/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-004b/wait_for_gesture'; Device or resource busy |
| 22:36.30 | marsje | Dec 22 23:34:56 (2011) Msgindexer[1560]: [Debug] Notifications : MessageIndexer::switchEmailMode( false ) |
| 22:36.33 | marsje | Dec 22 23:34:56 (2011) Msgindexer[1560]: [Debug] Notifications : Notifications are enabled |
| 22:37.22 | luke-jr | jonni: that means DRM blocked it |
| 22:37.43 | jonni | whats the socket name, just checking the groups |
| 22:37.46 | luke-jr | jonni: I think dmesg can confirm |
| 22:37.51 | luke-jr | socket name? |
| 22:37.55 | luke-jr | it's a phonet socket |
| 22:38.10 | luke-jr | which don't have names afaik |
| 22:38.22 | luke-jr | maybe phonet0 |
| 22:38.34 | jonni | no error messages on dmesg |
| 22:38.39 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 22:39.17 | luke-jr | http://paste.debian.net/149961/ <-- what DocScrutinizer got |
| 22:40.02 | jonni | well that comes if you run it without credentials |
| 22:40.05 | luke-jr | jonni: is your cellmo online? |
| 22:40.26 | jonni | luke-jr: should be, since I can make phonecalls |
| 22:40.30 | luke-jr | hmmm |
| 22:40.39 | luke-jr | you're running it as root, right? |
| 22:40.56 | luke-jr | wonders why else one might be unable to open a phonet socket |
| 22:41.13 | jonni | yes, usually that error happes if socket is not owned by root |
| 22:41.47 | jonni | thats why I was asking that what would be the filedescriptor for it |
| 22:42.06 | luke-jr | that assert means it failed to open, so didn't get a fd |
| 22:42.52 | luke-jr | s/open/create the socket/ |
| 22:43.13 | jonni | where are AF_PHONET, SOCK_DGRAM defined? |
| 22:43.24 | luke-jr | sys/socket.h I think |
| 22:43.37 | luke-jr | possibly <linux/phonet.h> for AF_PHONET |
| 22:44.01 | luke-jr | does `ifconfig -a` show phonet0 ?\ |
| 22:44.15 | luke-jr | begins to wonder if N9 doesn't use phonet anymore ._. |
| 22:44.15 | jonni | yes it does |
| 22:44.28 | luke-jr | hmmmmmm |
| 22:44.42 | luke-jr | how about regular `ifconfig`? |
| 22:44.56 | jonni | yes its shows it up |
| 22:45.05 | luke-jr | scratches his head. |
| 22:45.09 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: on the way to get gentoo there as well? |
| 22:45.30 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: well, my project is still Gentoo on N900; I just need to know if the gpsd driver is "phonet" or "n900"-specific ;) |
| 22:45.54 | luke-jr | so trying to figure out if N9 uses the same protocol or not |
| 22:45.59 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: so how did you succeed to use led on unknon origins? |
| 22:46.11 | luke-jr | jonni: how about another approach-- can you tcpdump phonet0? |
| 22:46.58 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: is it avilable on harmattan i mean tcpdump? |
| 22:47.09 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: dunno |
| 22:48.46 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: it is |
| 22:48.55 | jonni | yes tcpdump works and its capturing stuff |
| 22:49.24 | luke-jr | jonni: if you get an opportunity, could you make phonet0 more or less quiet, and tcpdump just the GPS for a bit? |
| 22:49.42 | luke-jr | (then I can just look at that and see if it's the same protocol) |
| 22:49.53 | luke-jr | to write to a file, tcpdump -s0 -w /tmp/pcap |
| 22:50.14 | ZogG_laptop | why -s0? |
| 22:50.24 | luke-jr | by default, tcpdump truncates packets to just headers |
| 22:50.29 | ZogG_laptop | -i phonet0 ? |
| 22:50.36 | luke-jr | yeah, that might help too :D |
| 22:51.28 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: btw, if you/anyone actually does want Gentoo on N9, I'd be willing to do it if someone sends me one-- they're not available here at all |
| 22:51.31 | jonni | sorry cant do that atleast on my main phone |
| 22:51.32 | ZogG_laptop | i didn't used it too much but i used it as tcpdump -i ethx port 5060 -w file |
| 22:51.37 | ZogG_laptop | maybe added size as well |
| 22:52.17 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: neither in y country and no i have no time fr that =( |
| 22:52.32 | luke-jr | >_< |
| 22:52.37 | marsje | ZogG_laptop: should the filter be the last arguments? |
| 22:52.50 | marsje | I mean, you put it in the middle |
| 22:52.53 | luke-jr | jonni: how about mixed with other stuff? |
| 22:52.53 | jonni | tcpdump works on any N9 device though so anyone with N9 can do it |
| 22:53.00 | ZogG_laptop | the guy who is porting android to n900 wanted to write uboot and port it to n950 but didn't get one ) |
| 22:53.07 | luke-jr | jonni: btw, you tested tcpdump on -i phonet0 ? |
| 22:53.17 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: yeah, me either. |
| 22:53.18 | jonni | luke-jr: yes tested with -i phonet0 |
| 22:53.19 | ZogG_laptop | marsje: filter you mean port? |
| 22:53.27 | luke-jr | jonni: k, ty for the assistance |
| 22:53.40 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: you have no n950? |
| 22:53.44 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: nope |
| 22:53.51 | ZogG_laptop | me too |
| 22:54.05 | marsje | ZogG_laptop: yes |
| 22:54.07 | daniel_o | uhh... the twitter design just changed O.o |
| 22:54.11 | jonni | too much confidential passwords and email sync on the device, so not dumping in there :) |
| 22:54.12 | ZogG_laptop | i was 3rd in least after last and i bet i wouldnt get one anyway |
| 22:54.27 | ZogG_laptop | marsje: it is last after |
| 22:54.50 | luke-jr | jonni: I don't think those go over phonet0 anyway :p |
| 22:55.01 | ZogG_laptop | jonni: change the network use 123 bug for the good =) |
| 22:55.15 | luke-jr | … also, why aren't you using TLS? :P |
| 22:55.38 | ZogG_laptop | btw it wouldn't if you have wifi connected i think |
| 22:57.16 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: even if you're using the modem for GPRS, that'd go over gprs0 ;) |
| 22:59.43 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: han why u need dump? |
| 23:00.37 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: to look at the GPS protocol |
| 23:00.43 | *** join/#harmattan gabriel9 (~gabriel9@145-130-241-92-bl.cable.dyn.broadband.blic.net) |
| 23:01.20 | ZogG_laptop | but why not gprs0? |
| 23:02.19 | luke-jr | GPS doesn't use gprs0 |
| 23:02.36 | ZogG_laptop | oh right |
| 23:02.50 | ZogG_laptop | it just looks familiuar and i got confused |
| 23:03.02 | ZogG_laptop | lemme check something i may give u dump |
| 23:03.11 | ZogG_laptop | setting wireshark first |
| 23:03.28 | ZogG_laptop | emerging =) |
| 23:04.09 | marsje | gentoo? |
| 23:04.26 | ZogG_laptop | but only if you do not give it to anyone and wouldn't use any personal info if u find it there |
| 23:04.30 | ZogG_laptop | marsje: funtoo |
| 23:05.09 | marsje | I once tried gentoo and it's like having electronic appliances with transparent covers |
| 23:05.13 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: ? |
| 23:05.32 | gabriel9 | gentoo users are strange |
| 23:05.37 | ZogG_laptop | marsje: it's more intuitive than ubuntu for sure |
| 23:05.37 | marsje | it's cool... but all that compiling what not what I needed |
| 23:05.40 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: I thought you didn't have one? |
| 23:05.50 | marsje | I tired of ubuntu |
| 23:05.59 | luke-jr | marsje: so use binary packages |
| 23:06.09 | gabriel9 | try Arch |
| 23:06.15 | gabriel9 | it's good |
| 23:06.23 | luke-jr | maybe someday. |
| 23:06.23 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: i bought n9 from people that know people orm usa that actaullyy as i understand from canada that is from asia ) |
| 23:06.36 | luke-jr | o.O |
| 23:06.36 | ZogG_laptop | arch is mess |
| 23:06.39 | ZogG_laptop | tried it |
| 23:06.42 | marsje | hear good things about arch, but I'm a debian/ubuntu person |
| 23:06.46 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: I can keep your info private, yes |
| 23:07.01 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: but note that the pcap has to be done on N9, not on wherever you put Wireshark :p |
| 23:07.07 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: wait i'll lurk in it first myself |
| 23:07.23 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: Wireshark doesn't really understand phonet ;) |
| 23:07.25 | marsje | I see so many scary things in my syslog.... |
| 23:07.34 | ZogG_laptop | to delete all porns places ic checked in porsquare ) |
| 23:07.56 | luke-jr | like I said, phonet0 has no real network traffic :P |
| 23:08.15 | gabriel9 | Well the only distro that works for me |
| 23:08.16 | luke-jr | (though I don't endorse anyone viewing porn, private or not…) |
| 23:08.36 | marsje | anyone knows where this comes from and what it has to do with my email account? mce-io.c:mce_close_file(): Failed to close `/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-004b/wait_for_gesture'; Device or resource busy |
| 23:08.38 | ZogG_laptop | what's wrong with it? |
| 23:09.06 | ZogG_laptop | marsje: i have this too no connection to mail |
| 23:09.17 | ZogG_laptop | it's sensor i think |
| 23:09.50 | ZogG_laptop | of screen or light maybe |
| 23:10.16 | ZogG_laptop | as i2c in kernell is for sensors afaik and i had it when screen goes off i think |
| 23:10.29 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: I need to go eat supper w/ fam, but I can take a look at pcap when I get back |
| 23:10.38 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: also, the GPS obviously needs to be running during the capture |
| 23:10.41 | luke-jr | ideally with a fix |
| 23:10.47 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: your email? |
| 23:10.57 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: luke+harmattan@dashjr.org ;) |
| 23:11.11 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: i turned on foursquare but i was indoors |
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| 23:19.55 | *** join/#harmattan beford (~fercho@unaffiliated/beford) |
| 23:22.21 | marsje | cool to see that IPv6 works |
| 23:23.16 | ZogG_laptop | luke-jr: sent you, i think it has no info, but we could try more tomorrow or day after night |
| 23:23.28 | ZogG_laptop | marsje: where? |
| 23:23.31 | marsje | anyone knows how I can use a proxy for email? |
| 23:23.38 | marsje | ZogG_laptop: on my n9 |
| 23:24.22 | marsje | ZogG_laptop: after installing the ipv6enabler package |
| 23:24.46 | ZogG_laptop | oky, i'll leave it for tomorrow |
| 23:41.18 | luke-jr | ZogG_laptop: I think you had no GPS fix during the capture? |
| 23:52.27 | Richlv | arrgh. one n9 failed to launch devel-su after pgrade. another can't install any apps, which seems to be quite common - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80349&page=2 |
| 23:52.51 | Richlv | wtf id wrong with all that, i'd hope they could make the upgrade process that doesn't mess up that often :/ |
| 23:52.56 | Richlv | (is) |
| 23:53.24 | Richlv | i seriously don't want to reflash another device. out of 2 devices that's a 100% failure rate when upgrading :( |