| 00:06.57 | Sazpaimon | DocScrutinizer, I still dont undererstand how this is not a hackl |
| 00:07.14 | Sazpaimon | you need to load a hacked kernel to install opensh |
| 00:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | this kernel is not hacked |
| 00:08.06 | DocScrutinizer | it's a proper UNhacked kernel that is supported by Nokia's NOLO |
| 00:08.28 | Sazpaimon | zImage-2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 isnt hacked? |
| 00:08.49 | Sazpaimon | so enable-root-superuser.diff is there just for historical purposes? |
| 00:08.56 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 00:09.29 | Sazpaimon | did this kernel come from the SDK ISO then? |
| 00:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | I'd really love to discuss meanings of words with you all night long, but I actually have to leave now to get me a beer |
| 00:10.03 | Sazpaimon | allright thebn |
| 00:10.05 | Sazpaimon | *then |
| 00:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | a kernel built from sources provided by Nokia is hardly a hack, even when some patches got applied - after all that'S what opensource is all about |
| 00:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | and Nokia themselves applied patches to linus kernel |
| 00:12.33 | Sazpaimon | yes, its less hacky then applying PR1.0's kernel to PR1.1 and changing the version number |
| 00:12.35 | Sazpaimon | but semantics |
| 00:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | so nokia ships N9 with a custom kernel, and this open mode kernel at my server is just another custom kernel. Why is mine a hack and Nokia's sacrosanct? |
| 00:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | nokia supports loading "my" kernel, they even needed to ship a fixed NOLO to allow that |
| 00:14.09 | Sazpaimon | because the patch says "aegis hack" |
| 00:14.11 | Sazpaimon | :P |
| 00:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | pfff |
| 00:16.03 | Sazpaimon | just sayin |
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| 00:53.55 | Mek | Richlv: https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/ I guess |
| 01:19.25 | Richlv | Mek, thanks, will take a look at it :) |
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| 08:53.17 | Richlv | damn. after reflashing & restoring a backup this phone has seemingly stuck in flight mode. wireless works ok and is enabled/disabled as i enter/exit flight mode, mobile connection does not work (and the airplane icon is always shown). if i go to "mobile network" with flight mode disabled, network selection is "automatic", but i can't change it |
| 08:53.39 | Richlv | network mode is "dual" - i can change it to gsm, but when i return to that page it's "dual" again |
| 08:54.18 | Richlv | has there been anybody else with similar issue ? unfortunately, i don't recall whether it was broken after reflash or whether backup restore did something. oh, n9, and simcard is inserted :) |
| 08:56.43 | Richlv | ha. http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-10-20.log.html has something similar, but with n950... |
| 08:58.38 | Richlv | nope, seems to be different |
| 09:06.44 | Richlv | tried starting up w/o and with sim, no difference |
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| 09:39.56 | frals | how did you flash your N9? |
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| 10:37.13 | Richlv | frals, flasher 3.12.1 + PR1.1 image |
| 10:37.56 | frals | and what version did you have on your phone before you flashed it? |
| 10:38.03 | frals | (and where did you get this pr1.1 image?) |
| 10:38.43 | Richlv | i also had PR 1.1, but that one was updated with the built in updater |
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| 10:39.00 | Richlv | image to flash was downloaded from http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com |
| 10:39.58 | frals | and you didnt get any error when flashing? say, about cmt-* smth not being updated? |
| 10:40.07 | frals | due to trying to downgrade or something like that? |
| 10:42.01 | _MeeGoBot_ | Hear ye, hear ye! dm8tbr, my master has decided that I shall henceforth look up bugs at harmattan-bugs.nokia.com and not bmc. (intended for #harmattan) |
| 10:43.14 | dm8tbr | bug 1 |
| 10:43.19 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1 nor, Normal, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO NOTREPRODUCIBLE, [cloned] calendar import via bluetooth from n900: reminders are in the future and uneditable |
| 10:48.29 | Richlv | frals, before that i got flashing errors on rootfs, possibly because of a libusb bug. last flash was from a different system and was 100% successful on all components |
| 10:48.48 | Richlv | and no, it didn't complain about this being a downgrade |
| 10:49.01 | Richlv | as flashed version was the same as the one on the phone |
| 10:49.34 | Richlv | didn't see anything interesting in dmesg either |
| 10:49.36 | Richlv | bug 123 |
| 10:49.40 | _MeeGoBot_ | Bug https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=123 maj, Highest, ---, ext-risto.lahti, RESO FIXED, accounts passwords are not remembered accross reboots |
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| 11:08.03 | hiemanshu | my contacts are randomly mixing, and being assigned to different FB contacts |
| 11:36.43 | Richlv | continuing on my "permanent flight mode", wifi works. if i start the phone up in actual flight mode and leave it that way, it doesn't ask for pin - i can "activate sim" later, then it asks for pin and happily accepts it |
| 11:38.56 | Richlv | ooooh |
| 11:39.09 | Richlv | trying to send an sms said "mobile network is switched off. turn it back on ?" |
| 11:39.21 | Richlv | i tapped yes, of course - and flight mode icon disappeared :) |
| 11:39.31 | Richlv | fhew. won't have to reflash again :) |
| 11:40.14 | Richlv | and all "mobile network" controls work again |
| 11:43.03 | Richlv | and it looks like PR1.1 doesn't allow remote root login by default |
| 11:49.08 | ZogG_laptop | Richlv: it does for developer@ |
| 11:49.22 | ZogG_laptop | for root nogo |
| 11:50.17 | ZogG_laptop | hmm i'm asked for twitter password now every 20 minute if nt less |
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| 11:53.09 | Richlv | ZogG_laptop, yeah, it's a good thing anyway :) |
| 11:53.20 | Richlv | i guess 'developer' account has no password by default |
| 11:54.10 | Richlv | ok, this is soooo sweet. i have ssh session to my phone and i'm root =) |
| 11:54.30 | Richlv | wondering how bash performs on it... |
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| 11:59.05 | Richlv | and pubkey auth works. YEAH |
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| 12:42.33 | dm8tbr | http://apina.biz/41221.jpg - that would look nice with an N9 :D |
| 12:43.44 | Venemo | good morning everyone :) |
| 12:46.41 | ZogG_laptop | morning |
| 13:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 13:14.12 | dm8tbr | mooo |
| 13:16.01 | hiemanshu | moooo |
| 13:17.32 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to abandon /ignore and adopt a ruthless +q scheme instead |
| 13:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | meh, better not :-D |
| 13:19.07 | hiemanshu | sets mode +q DocScrutinizer!*@* |
| 13:19.09 | hiemanshu | :D |
| 13:19.41 | Richlv | doh. i should verify permissions of directories i create before wondering why scp to /home/developer fails... |
| 13:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | /mode #harmattan +q * |
| 13:20.17 | Richlv | hrm. chown developer developer / chown: developer: Operation not permitted |
| 13:20.19 | Richlv | wtf |
| 13:20.46 | Richlv | trying that as root... |
| 13:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 13:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | root is moot |
| 13:21.19 | Richlv | is it... dreaded a-thing ? |
| 13:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~no-aegis |
| 13:21.43 | infobot | i heard aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 13:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | btw a few new bits there since 10min |
| 13:22.25 | Richlv | wonders how safe that is, especially after my adventures at flasin =) |
| 13:22.28 | Richlv | flashing |
| 13:22.39 | Richlv | maybe i should start sending angry letters to nokia for them to ignore |
| 13:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | you're not flashing anything, you just load a openmode kernel to RAM once, to install a opensh pkg |
| 13:24.38 | Richlv | hmm. will add that to my list of things to try, thanks :) |
| 13:24.42 | DocScrutinizer | installing that opensh pkg can't be done in secure mode |
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| 13:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | those of you trying to access http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/nokia/* please query me |
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| 13:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | this is (was) a mirror of harmattan-dev.nokia.com with daily backups, but it's not very useful via http. if you tell me what you're interested in, I might help |
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| 14:12.49 | naughty- | hi guys |
| 14:15.15 | naughty- | how can i hide custom sms sounds from music player? |
| 14:18.44 | djszapi | Venemo: o/ |
| 14:20.10 | djszapi | Richlv: you are notw allowed to do chown from unknown origin. |
| 14:20.22 | djszapi | and that is not "wtf", but quite expected. |
| 14:20.44 | djszapi | otherwise anybody could just get the "root" account and do whatever he wants with that operation. |
| 14:29.05 | djszapi | imho, chown should be completely forbidden, but it is only available for you from Ovi. |
| 14:30.18 | ZogG_laptop | hmm what qml element would you advice for images gallery popup? |
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| 14:31.26 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: what would you precisely pop up ? |
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| 14:32.14 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i just used that example of gallery images grid |
| 14:32.27 | ZogG_laptop | now i want to make it part of program |
| 14:32.44 | ZogG_laptop | i used Sheet and it's on it |
| 14:32.51 | djszapi | and what is the difficulty ? |
| 14:34.27 | ZogG_laptop | i have grid 4x6 e.g so if i have only 3 pics on last row a see the part of prev page |
| 14:35.32 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: why not a separate page ? |
| 14:37.06 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=36648&postcount=185 |
| 14:37.36 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: :_D HI!!! |
| 14:37.53 | javispedro | hi :) |
| 14:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell javispedro about no-aegis |
| 14:38.20 | javispedro | heh |
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| 14:38.57 | faenil | hey people :) o/ |
| 14:39.23 | Venemo | hi faenil |
| 14:40.06 | djszapi | is bloooooeeeing because of the must have cmake -> qmake change :/ |
| 14:40.22 | javispedro | hello :) |
| 14:40.57 | faenil | javispedro: getting 5h remaining battery at startup :D |
| 14:41.18 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i don't remember why i didn't do it |
| 14:41.18 | javispedro | heh |
| 14:41.33 | javispedro | well, I was not happy with my n950 battery performance as of lately |
| 14:41.40 | naughty- | how can i hide sound files from music player? |
| 14:41.57 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: just put your sheet onto a new page |
| 14:41.57 | faenil | javispedro: I'm talking about the 5820tg, :P |
| 14:42.19 | javispedro | faenil: ah |
| 14:42.23 | javispedro | fun confusion either way :) |
| 14:42.26 | faenil | :D |
| 14:42.31 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: why i would use sheet than? |
| 14:43.00 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: I do not understand why sheet is needed but I am a low-level guy, not Ui after all |
| 14:43.47 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: but I guess you need to use it if you wanna have a separate page anyway |
| 14:44.06 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: since the gallery application is so simple, it does not this page concept that much. |
| 14:44.30 | djszapi | use* |
| 14:47.59 | djszapi | or maybe you can just set the blackground black. |
| 14:48.05 | djszapi | and put the images on those. |
| 14:48.38 | djszapi | but still you should not mix up different page contexts into one if possible. |
| 14:48.43 | djszapi | contents* |
| 14:49.17 | MohammadAG | djszapi: Don't worry, we were also forced to start using aegis the same way you were forced to use qmake |
| 14:50.43 | djszapi | not really, you could use open mode |
| 14:50.53 | djszapi | and right now, it is even "official". |
| 14:50.55 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: hmm with theme.invert i got whole ap[p black |
| 14:51.02 | djszapi | there is no "cmake mode" for Qt5 |
| 14:51.12 | MohammadAG | Yay |
| 14:51.46 | ZogG_laptop | there is no make for future |
| 14:51.53 | ZogG_laptop | all apps would be opensource |
| 14:52.12 | ZogG_laptop | and you would need to upload theme and they'll compile parts on fly =) |
| 14:53.07 | djszapi | should have written into the comment at the Qt Certificate(s), I do not answer for crapmake questions :) |
| 14:54.06 | merlin1991 | open mode on the n9 with 1.1? did I miss something? |
| 14:56.21 | djszapi | well, the ideal way is not an open-mode kernel, but just a tool on top of the existing one |
| 14:56.35 | djszapi | and if any, that might come only along with PR 1.2 |
| 14:56.40 | djszapi | if there is PR 1.2 at all |
| 14:57.27 | djszapi | I cannot talk about it more, you will see guys :) |
| 14:57.39 | merlin1991 | waits |
| 14:59.08 | faenil | ahahaha |
| 14:59.20 | faenil | djszapi keeps teasing us :D |
| 14:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: |
| 14:59.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~no-aegis |
| 14:59.25 | infobot | it has been said that aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 14:59.35 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: that's for n950 though |
| 14:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | NO |
| 14:59.46 | merlin1991 | then the url is missleading :D |
| 14:59.50 | djszapi | merlin1991: they share the kernel |
| 14:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | well, it is |
| 15:00.00 | djszapi | even the development kernel is not the same source |
| 15:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just about to clean up a bit |
| 15:00.28 | djszapi | it is really just about tooling. I would personally prefer a tool putting into open mode, and not changing the kernel forth and back before and after pushing something to Ovi. |
| 15:00.40 | djszapi | now the same source* |
| 15:01.03 | djszapi | because well ... that is just not comfy. |
| 15:04.53 | merlin1991 | damn you doc I just browsed through the dir, and now you moved it :D |
| 15:05.05 | djszapi | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ -> it is actually not working |
| 15:09.10 | djszapi | javispedro: ping |
| 15:09.15 | javispedro | pang! |
| 15:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | back to normal, just now it's a symlink ;-) |
| 15:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 15:09.31 | djszapi | you got 1.0 sources ? |
| 15:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | is the original now |
| 15:09.40 | djszapi | ohh it was pali |
| 15:09.45 | javispedro | djszapi: no, I don't |
| 15:09.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~literal aegis-no-thanks |
| 15:09.45 | infobot | "aegis-no-thanks" is "http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/" |
| 15:09.50 | djszapi | anyway, if he can request a new one he will get the new sources |
| 15:09.55 | djszapi | they mentioned that it was sent because, at the time of request, they did not have PR1.1 sources |
| 15:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 15:10.11 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 15:10.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~no-aegis |
| 15:10.18 | infobot | aegis-no-thanks is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ |
| 15:10.40 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: found two solution and both are not good for me =) |
| 15:10.49 | ZogG_laptop | one if to make rectagle |
| 15:10.59 | ZogG_laptop | but that i can't scroll |
| 15:11.10 | ZogG_laptop | maybe i can turn it on but do now know how |
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| 15:13.44 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: just use a page, really. |
| 15:13.56 | djszapi | less then 10 characters plus, and done |
| 15:14.01 | merlin1991 | so In case I go fuck aegis I just have the kernel loaded all the time? |
| 15:15.38 | Aranel | wonders If anybody else's N950 / N9 screen doesn't timeout as intended and behaves always-on for unknown reason. |
| 15:17.44 | djszapi | merlin1991: yes, and before pushing to OVI flash the stock back. After the publishing story, you again flash the open-mode kernel. Quite a hassle. |
| 15:18.06 | Aranel | djszapi: filed #376 today ^^ hope they grant "devicelock" call or at least do something to allow this. |
| 15:18.09 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i do |
| 15:18.11 | djszapi | so basically double testing and everything |
| 15:18.18 | ZogG_laptop | back how i set background color for it |
| 15:18.45 | djszapi | Aranel: right, but as I said, it is never gonna be changed ;) |
| 15:19.04 | merlin1991 | djszapi: I was more interested in running crazy stuff for my own without pushing stuff to ovi :) |
| 15:19.13 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: color: "black"; |
| 15:19.18 | Aranel | djszapi: and there's nothing to be done? :| would open mode help against this? |
| 15:19.25 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: page have no color value |
| 15:19.33 | djszapi | merlin1991: open kernel was already available as in told how to do |
| 15:20.02 | djszapi | merlin1991: it is just that, Nokia actually did it, but it is still not the nice way. Hopefully you do not need to get used to it, and a tool will provide this stuff |
| 15:20.18 | djszapi | Aranel: no, open mode will not overwrite the Ovi workflow |
| 15:20.33 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: use theme. |
| 15:20.50 | djszapi | or a content item filling in the page then with color: "black"; |
| 15:20.59 | djszapi | anchor filling and all that jazz |
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| 15:22.00 | Aranel | djszapi: oops, I think I don't understand exactly. I want to create a dead simple app/script/hack/shortcut to lock screen, I won't push it to Ovi (since they'll never allow it, maybe appsformeego later) why should I care about Ovi? |
| 15:22.03 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: used rectagle but how can i do it scrollable downn? |
| 15:22.49 | djszapi | Aranel: AFM will never work even that much since they even have less credentials. |
| 15:23.08 | trx | ZogG_laptop use Flickable |
| 15:23.13 | djszapi | Aranel: unless AFM really takes the openmode kernel into account which is well ... I would not use an app from there then |
| 15:23.40 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: I do not understand your problem. What if just change the theme first ? |
| 15:23.52 | djszapi | rectangle + flickable is just the second hack. Try to develop the nice way first |
| 15:23.54 | Aranel | djszapi: d'oh. Is there any "forget credentials and all those stuff, just do the work" mode? isn't this called open mode? :| |
| 15:24.17 | djszapi | Aranel: you can do that locally for sure, if that is your dream |
| 15:24.19 | Aranel | djszapi: asking for personal use ofc, I may think about AFM and Ovi later. |
| 15:24.37 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i don't want whole thing to be black |
| 15:24.51 | Aranel | djszapi: so If I understood it correct: I can do it for myself, I can't do it for others, I should push them de open mode too? |
| 15:25.00 | Aranel | them to* |
| 15:25.04 | ZogG_laptop | just the background of certain page that has image grid, that is scrollable |
| 15:26.01 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: what happened to the mini-howto? |
| 15:26.03 | djszapi | Aranel: yes |
| 15:26.25 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: yes, indeed, please follow my instructions |
| 15:26.40 | DocScrutinizer | moved to opensh |
| 15:26.43 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i did |
| 15:27.09 | djszapi | X-Fade ping, do you plan to support open mode kernels in AFM ? |
| 15:27.33 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: than or everything black, or i can't scroll down all pictures or else |
| 15:28.06 | djszapi | that is utterly strange because I have a list where the page has a theme, and the list item overrides the page background without no issues |
| 15:28.20 | djszapi | with no issues* |
| 15:28.22 | Aranel | well then I'll do the magic for myself and document/share it for others, if most of the community migrates to open mode later, they'll be able to use it. |
| 15:28.41 | djszapi | Aranel: that is really painy. |
| 15:29.08 | djszapi | I would propose an open-mode kernel apps store instead (with one dedicated open-mode kernel for sure). |
| 15:29.34 | djszapi | since we do not wanna do these things for many applications manually for everybody's handset. |
| 15:30.43 | Aranel | well that'd be pretty much exceed my abilities but sounds good if somebody volunteers to handle it. |
| 15:31.01 | Aranel | by the way, is there any known important disadvantages of open mode? |
| 15:31.18 | Aranel | If an end-user moves to open mode would he suffer? |
| 15:31.41 | Aranel | (except the warranty and ovi music stuff) |
| 15:31.53 | djszapi | he would basically lose everything security relatecd |
| 15:32.04 | djszapi | so it means that welcome to the scam and malicious world. |
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| 15:32.40 | Aranel | is this the same as N900 or it's somehow more protected? |
| 15:33.23 | djszapi | more or less the same regarding the security: no security at all. |
| 15:33.30 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: can you show me the part of code? |
| 15:33.38 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: hold on a momment... |
| 15:34.41 | javispedro | Aranel: currently explored, and suggest you try it for a few days and report on your experiences |
| 15:34.41 | djszapi | Aranel: I am sort of having the imagination, people will abuse the open mode kernel even for Ovi app development when they do not need it. |
| 15:34.56 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: wait i may solved it |
| 15:35.08 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: could you add a md5sum for the unpatched kernel zimage too? |
| 15:35.09 | javispedro | Aranel: for example, passwords are lost for accounts |
| 15:35.25 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/show/player/harmattan |
| 15:35.40 | Aranel | djszapi: if -as you proposed- an open-mode store with an acceptable QA policy starts working, I think platform security wouldn't be that important. |
| 15:35.59 | Aranel | javispedro: can I? ^.^ I thought that we were waiting for newest kernel sources from Nokia? |
| 15:36.04 | djszapi | Aranel: hahahahaha |
| 15:36.12 | javispedro | ~tell Aranel about no-aegis |
| 15:36.17 | djszapi | Aranel: that is the whole purpose of the security and Ovi. |
| 15:36.46 | javispedro | Aranel: fresh from days ago |
| 15:36.47 | djszapi | Aranel: so you lose basically everything, and you are telling me Ovi will check everything manually for each bit of a code, and there are no needs for security platforms, just binary scanner tools. |
| 15:36.54 | RST38h | javispedro: are you happy? =) |
| 15:36.58 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: wich one? |
| 15:37.15 | javispedro | RST38h: yesterday I sent my n950 to finland for repairs, so, not much :) |
| 15:37.22 | javispedro | RST38h: happy from the webos news though |
| 15:37.27 | djszapi | Aranel: you do not probably have experience with this, but even on the Ovi and Android market, it is a /huge/ job to get it right, and they cannot still manage it with these strict security policy decisions. |
| 15:37.50 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/player/harmattan/main.qml#L44 |
| 15:38.17 | Aranel | javispedro: would you kindly send me it's URL? ^^ plus: if you enter their pw's again do they work? |
| 15:38.18 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/player/harmattan/MainPage.qml#L43 |
| 15:38.54 | javispedro | Aranel: you have the URL in that PM infobot sent you :) After entering the passwords again it worked, but I didn't check if it remembered them after a reboot. |
| 15:38.58 | Aranel | javispedro: oops looks like infobot sent me a PM :) thank you, I'll look into it and document it's downsides if possible. |
| 15:38.58 | RST38h | javispedro: they are opensourcing webos, I kinda thought it would eclipse n950 trouble |
| 15:39.40 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: iconsource? |
| 15:39.55 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: that is an example for overriding the blackground theme, yes. |
| 15:40.14 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: hold on, giving you screenshots... |
| 15:40.15 | javispedro | RST38h: I wouldn't want to put my fingers on which parts they'll opensource though |
| 15:40.48 | javispedro | ok, weird sentence., |
| 15:40.48 | Aranel | djszapi: I really don't have *any* experience on it to be honest :) I'm not opposed to Aegis, I just think that it's too restrictive and nobody cares to make it better, so getting rid of it maybe better than learning to live with it. |
| 15:40.50 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: http://lpapp.blogspot.com/2011/12/kde-mobile-and-gluon-reports.html -> You can see, the background is black under the list |
| 15:41.01 | javispedro | *be |
| 15:41.03 | javispedro | *bet :) |
| 15:41.12 | RST38h | javispedro:same here |
| 15:41.27 | djszapi | Aranel: 100-200 developers do not care maximum, but I might over-exaggerate that number. Many hundred and thousand users or even more do care about their data. |
| 15:41.55 | Aranel | javispedro: on the more "entertaining" side: since WebOS is getting open-sourced, would you think preenv for N9 :)) |
| 15:41.56 | djszapi | so if you do not do a usable app for users, well go for open mode |
| 15:42.06 | djszapi | and you do not care if someone makes something nasty with your phone. |
| 15:42.16 | javispedro | Aranel: doesn't help preenv at all |
| 15:42.29 | javispedro | I know all I could possibly wanted to know about PDK apps :) |
| 15:42.36 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: mind if I pm you? |
| 15:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: go ahead |
| 15:43.59 | djszapi | yipdw: if you wanna me, I can publish my account plugin code soonish. |
| 15:44.38 | djszapi | (though it does not use oauth, just plain text password authentication because the OCS standard only supports that and OpenID atm) |
| 15:47.18 | Aranel | djszapi: I can't understand the reasoning behind DeviceLock::State locks, how would It make things easier for Ovi QA? |
| 15:48.26 | djszapi | Aranel: I was not speaking about that credential specifically. |
| 15:48.45 | djszapi | and as I said more times, I would like to see that available... |
| 15:49.07 | djszapi | I think you are just lost in details without seeing the forest from the trees :) |
| 15:49.44 | Aranel | djszapi: that gets another question to my mind: can we make Aegis "less aggressive" instead of completely removing it? |
| 15:50.10 | djszapi | aegis is not agressive. Aegis is a platform and tool. Same like the atomic energy |
| 15:50.26 | Aranel | like, giving a default configuration, but allowing user -by a very user-unfriendly way, if necessary- to change what's allowed or not? |
| 15:50.26 | javispedro | dm8tbr: btw, sowatch now builds in OBS. I've put the most recent versions in COBS. |
| 15:50.27 | djszapi | and as for a tool and platform like that, it allows everything to play with |
| 15:50.31 | javispedro | *my COBS |
| 15:51.01 | dm8tbr | javispedro: \o/ awesome, time for me to learn OBS and fork it for testing LiveView :D |
| 15:51.19 | javispedro | dm8tbr: I don't know much about OBS, if you fork anything I'd prefer you fork from git :) |
| 15:51.32 | javispedro | I am going to spend a few days getting it to work on the n900 |
| 15:51.48 | javispedro | probably made much easier now thanks to achipa's qtmobility12 port |
| 15:52.01 | djszapi | Aranel: parallel example, I do not dislike Qt because of the crappy creator. |
| 15:53.04 | dm8tbr | javispedro: already did, but I can now fork the cobs package and use it for my git |
| 15:53.47 | Aranel | djszapi: I understand the reasoning behind Aegis, and the use-case of Aegis on Harmattan, but not allowing a dead-simple lock thing or a great achievement like usb hostmode.. well at least it should be possible to set which credentials will be allowed. |
| 15:54.02 | javispedro | dm8tbr: I have a script now that makes a COBSable package from the qt creator project, by just cp -ring the proper qtc_packaging subfolder and uncommenting the "Please uncomment this line for use outside of QtC" lines in debian/rules |
| 15:54.14 | dm8tbr | javispedro: quick question, does the code as is bind a bt service on the n9? or does it only try to connect the remote watch directly? |
| 15:54.17 | djszapi | Aranel: you confuse aegis (the platform) with the platform usage |
| 15:54.31 | javispedro | dm8tbr: only connect |
| 15:54.38 | javispedro | dm8tbr: metawatch doesn't try anything on its own |
| 15:54.49 | dm8tbr | javispedro: ah, I'll need to look at that then too :/ |
| 15:54.51 | javispedro | so the phone has to actively look for it |
| 15:54.54 | Aranel | djszapi: my reasoning behind this is, for example devicelock:State is harmless, but Wipe EMMC would be nasty. All-or-none is not the way to deal with it. |
| 15:55.02 | dm8tbr | LV expects that the phone is connectable |
| 15:55.06 | djszapi | Aranel: you confuse aegis (the platform) with the platform usage |
| 15:55.34 | Aranel | djszapi: maybe I'm :) can you explain it more? |
| 15:55.39 | djszapi | IOW, I am also rejecting how the other lib and application developers made it crappy on Harmattan |
| 15:55.40 | javispedro | dm8tbr: that is weird :S |
| 15:56.00 | djszapi | Aranel: since they had a great tool for doing whatever they want. Much better than android or anybody else has. |
| 15:56.51 | djszapi | Aranel: if they pay at least few hours attention in this product development, we could have a much better policy set. Again, aegis is a platform, it does not decide instead of the platform users, like Ovi store. |
| 15:57.29 | Aranel | by the way when I'm saying "Aegis" , I don't mean the Aegis (Tool), I mean Aegis (Roadblock), I think I should made it clear before ^^ |
| 15:57.43 | djszapi | Aranel: so if you are not getting it, I am on your side, but as an aegis developer, I would like to enlight you, we did not decide these policies. |
| 15:58.20 | Aranel | djszapi: is there any way to instead of disabling Aegis, making new policies? |
| 15:58.26 | djszapi | Aranel: typical example is the open mode kernel and a community app store for that. They can do whatever they just want with aegis. |
| 15:58.43 | javispedro | yeah |
| 15:58.52 | djszapi | Aranel: yes, there is, but Ovi store decided to not give you that rights. |
| 15:58.59 | javispedro | I'm still liking the idea to someday do an AFM installer app that would prompt the user on the tokens requested |
| 15:59.10 | javispedro | sadly with the current patched kernels aegis is virtually disabled entirely |
| 15:59.29 | RST38h | "sadly"? naaaaaah |
| 16:00.10 | dm8tbr | javispedro: you could still read the requested tokens and pop up a dialogue though? |
| 16:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: (aegis (roadblock)) I'm calling this paegis, for aegis-policies |
| 16:00.30 | javispedro | dm8tbr: yes, but in openmode you can do whatever you want even if you request no tokens |
| 16:00.33 | javispedro | dm8tbr: making it useless |
| 16:01.08 | dm8tbr | javispedro: right, it would rely on the software being so nice and asking for everything it would like to do :) |
| 16:01.11 | javispedro | not only because of the patched mode; the d-bus daemon also stops caring |
| 16:01.16 | javispedro | dm8tbr: yep :) |
| 16:01.20 | javispedro | the "evil" bit :D |
| 16:01.31 | javispedro | *of the patched kernel |
| 16:01.35 | Aranel | Aegis with custom policies sounds awesome, but I wonder if it'll be possible in the future or not. |
| 16:02.07 | javispedro | I know some people have altered aegis' policies as they wanted while in open mode then booted back to closed. |
| 16:02.14 | DocScrutinizer | it basically can not be done, as there's nothing stopping malware from getting the policies it wants |
| 16:02.23 | javispedro | this however is probably blocked since pr1.1 |
| 16:02.39 | Aranel | javispedro: doesn't it run a check for this? |
| 16:02.53 | javispedro | since pr1.1 there are some checks |
| 16:03.26 | javispedro | maybe someday'll come one can install opensh in stock :) |
| 16:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | we'd need a NOKIA-supported dpkg-wrapper to do all this nice user-inquiring |
| 16:03.57 | djszapi | javispedro: this thingie should be a userspace tool imho, not an open-mode kernel. I think it is the wrong approach |
| 16:04.49 | javispedro | djszapi: but without having access to the extended permissions, this would be hard |
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| 16:05.18 | djszapi | javispedro: except that if the tool comes from trusted Nokia origin, and it can do whatever it is allowed to. |
| 16:05.31 | javispedro | yeah, but you know what our chances for that are :) |
| 16:05.58 | djszapi | well, I know what is going on internally ;) |
| 16:06.25 | djszapi | or beta version is flashing exactly the same kernel, but with different flasher option |
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| 16:06.44 | djszapi | that would probably be uncomfy, but at least a better protection in a way. |
| 16:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | but then... http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/H_E_N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/__THIS_IS_MEANT_FOR_N9 -> >> user needs to boot into open mode kernel, something that no malware could do. Of course once you switched "to the dark side" and got opensh installed on your system, it is basically as safe or vulnerable to malware attacks as any other linux system, maybe marginally better still thanks aegis.<< User isn't supposed to install fron any |
| 16:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | source other than OVI store anyway, and the apps there are supposed to be "safe" |
| 16:07.16 | djszapi | since flashing your personal device is more confident than grabbing userspace tools |
| 16:07.25 | djszapi | even though, you should not connect to anything at the airport :D |
| 16:07.32 | djszapi | since the flasher way will not defend against that either ;) |
| 16:08.40 | DocScrutinizer | so in the end we wouldn't need *any* aegis alike thing on device, as long as QA on OVI is doing their job |
| 16:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | installing random crap from random sources is sth where not even aegis will save you in the end. You're doomed when you decide to go that path |
| 16:10.10 | javispedro | it could help |
| 16:10.13 | javispedro | though |
| 16:10.18 | DocScrutinizer | aegis is all about *forcing* users to only install from OVI |
| 16:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | while it tries (futile effort though) to allow apps from random sources that are considered "safe" according to the metrics of paegis. I elaborated on why this will never pan out |
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| 16:27.35 | merlin1991 | I must be doing something wrong, turn off n9, start flasher with -l -b -k $ZIMAGE, plug in n9 results in a loaded kernel (according to flasher) and a screen with the batter loading icon |
| 16:27.59 | merlin1991 | and no way to unlock the screen or anything |
| 16:28.35 | javispedro | hold power button? xd |
| 16:28.47 | merlin1991 | turns it off :D |
| 16:29.02 | javispedro | for not more than ~4 sec |
| 16:30.44 | merlin1991 | let me retry :D |
| 16:31.01 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i did other trick |
| 16:34.17 | merlin1991 | javispedro: it seems like the n9 doesn't really boot, I unplugged it after flasher returned, and I only got the nokia text for a few seconds before the screen went dead and the device did shut off |
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| 16:34.48 | javispedro | charging logo means device booted |
| 16:35.19 | merlin1991 | well I got no chargning logo this time, only nokia text for some time and then dead n9 |
| 16:38.57 | merlin1991 | gives up |
| 16:41.58 | ZogG_laptop | merlin1991: what was bat status before? |
| 16:42.08 | merlin1991 | about full |
| 16:42.33 | merlin1991 | rebooted into normal harm, and battery shows almost full |
| 16:45.53 | merlin1991 | I'm chargning it till it says full and will try again then, but I think something else is wrong |
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| 16:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 16:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | which kernel did you use? patched or clean openmode? |
| 16:47.34 | merlin1991 | patched |
| 16:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 16:47.58 | merlin1991 | it looks like it didn't get past nolo for me (if the initial nokia logo is from nolo) |
| 16:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | I should finally start tests myself ;-D |
| 16:48.21 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: duh, you got latest PR? |
| 16:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | NOLO got some updates recently |
| 16:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | to make unsigned kernels load |
| 16:49.16 | merlin1991 | I'm on 1.1 (20.2011.40-4_PR_001) |
| 16:49.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
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| 16:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | FFS |
| 16:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | goes for having another secret conference ;-D |
| 16:50.49 | gabriel9 | howdy |
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| 16:54.02 | djszapi | zz_gri: I think the storeIdentity in your account plugin is not correct |
| 17:01.56 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: may i ask another question |
| 17:02.24 | gabriel9 | i can't find a way to detect orientation in qml |
| 17:02.29 | gabriel9 | just in c++ |
| 17:02.55 | djszapi | gabriel9: use components and you will love it |
| 17:03.05 | gabriel9 | components? :D |
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| 17:03.19 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: never !! ;) go agead, do not ask to ask .. |
| 17:03.24 | djszapi | ahead* |
| 17:03.52 | gabriel9 | where are that comnponents? |
| 17:03.59 | DocScrutinizer | so *anybody* actually tested the openmode kernel (either flavour) of http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/H_E_N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ ? |
| 17:04.16 | djszapi | take a look at the landing page |
| 17:05.33 | djszapi | but anyway, why would you like to detect the orientation on top of what the components provide ? http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt-components/qt-components-meego-page.html?tab=1 |
| 17:07.03 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i use gridview and i used delegate Image{} now i changed to mousearea{image{}} and i added onpressed but nothing happens on pressed, i want to select image from grid |
| 17:07.26 | gabriel9 | well i want to resize some elements when i'm in landscape |
| 17:08.32 | djszapi | I am unsure that is a valid common use case, as in: that is probably the reason why they did not focus on that feature... |
| 17:08.46 | gabriel9 | maybe |
| 17:09.42 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: what i did wrong? |
| 17:09.51 | gabriel9 | i noticed that toolbar shrinks/expands when changing orientation |
| 17:10.10 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: why don't you use a button with iconSource ? |
| 17:10.27 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: so make all images buttons? |
| 17:11.10 | djszapi | or put the MouseArea inside the image... |
| 17:11.16 | djszapi | if it is implemented that way.... |
| 17:11.26 | djszapi | if not, Item { Image {...} MouseArea {...} |
| 17:11.27 | djszapi | } |
| 17:11.38 | djszapi | so if Image does not allow that, you need to use a container for that, I bet. |
| 17:12.18 | Richlv | <djszapi> Richlv: you are notw allowed to do chown from unknown origin. |
| 17:12.27 | Richlv | hmm, what does "from unknown origin" mean here ? |
| 17:12.31 | djszapi | but I would prefer MTF questions :P |
| 17:12.47 | djszapi | Richlv: exactly that, you do not have a trusted origin for executing that stuff |
| 17:12.50 | djszapi | or develsh. |
| 17:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-12-09.log.html#t2011-12-09T07:51:56 seems z720 booted that kernel successfully |
| 17:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | >>1st state N9 boot open kernel without issues, without installing anything just play with some apps and reboot. N9 die, now need to reflash.<< |
| 17:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | so what's up fellas? I need FEEDBACK if that stuff on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/H_E_N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ is actually useful to anybody! |
| 17:18.03 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: seems like he got further than I did, I just can't get it to boot the kernel |
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| 18:00.36 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yeah. That's what bothers me a lot |
| 18:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | anyway javispedro says he booted the kernel - even on N950 |
| 18:01.05 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: o/ |
| 18:01.18 | djszapi | zz_gri: the translation saying about this might be not entirely correct: <name>Nokia Account</name> |
| 18:01.21 | djszapi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.33 | djszapi | zz_gri: the Nokia account for Ovi seems to be doing basically the same I did. |
| 18:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | so I wonder a) why it doesn't work for you, and b) if ANYBODY ELSE got it working or failed. Seems feedback is sparse, maybe openmode is not that interesting to devels as we all thought |
| 18:05.31 | Venemo_N950 | hey djszapi |
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| 18:08.03 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: it will prove quite valuable to the subset of N9 owners that are looking for more than just consuming the basic set of OVI apps etc. |
| 18:09.23 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: only if it gets used and actually works |
| 18:09.28 | djszapi | Venemo_N950: how is stuff ? :) |
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| 18:11.10 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: when i press on certain button on grid how can i tell the function it was this button or not other? |
| 18:11.32 | ZogG_laptop | do i need to make function to generate ids? |
| 18:11.58 | djszapi | delegates do have this index. |
| 18:12.08 | djszapi | but I tried it with lists, so no real idea about the grid thingie... |
| 18:12.19 | djszapi | I would expect that it provider the row and column index... |
| 18:12.23 | djszapi | provides* |
| 18:13.17 | djszapi | try to seek the relevant qt codebase for information. They tend to underdocument these features... |
| 18:14.18 | djszapi | currentIndex : int |
| 18:14.19 | djszapi | currentItem : Item |
| 18:15.04 | djszapi | he currentIndex property holds the index of the current item, and currentItem holds the current item. Setting the currentIndex to -1 will clear the highlight and set currentItem to null. |
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| 18:16.02 | djszapi | so if you would like to use this index on the next page, you better save it into a local property created. |
| 18:17.33 | djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/player/harmattan/MainPage.qml#L27 -> 27 and 53, you will love it |
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| 18:18.28 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: i think i managed, but i have other question : if i have one page for upload and other with gallarie, how i pass result to upload? |
| 18:18.47 | djszapi | what result ? |
| 18:19.01 | ZogG_laptop | the button id e.g. |
| 18:19.12 | djszapi | I have just written it above .... |
| 18:19.23 | djszapi | by giving a practical example from a working code... |
| 18:19.40 | ZogG_laptop | oh missed that |
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| 18:32.11 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: confused |
| 18:33.27 | djszapi | confused about what ? |
| 18:35.44 | ZogG_laptop | where you use function pushPage |
| 18:36.38 | djszapi | confused about what ? |
| 18:37.44 | ZogG_laptop | ? |
| 18:37.58 | djszapi | I think you are not asking precise questions. |
| 18:38.12 | djszapi | I am not sure what your problem is, or what you are confused about. |
| 18:45.10 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, well, thanks for your asking :) |
| 18:47.21 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, I've just won a fair match of Starcraft 2, so I'm in a good mood |
| 18:47.36 | javispedro | waaaaaah |
| 18:47.38 | djszapi | we should play one together at some point... |
| 18:47.42 | javispedro | I want my VGA card back |
| 18:47.50 | djszapi | I was a big SC1 battlegame player :) |
| 18:47.56 | javispedro | curses ASUS and their RMA |
| 18:48.04 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi, you play SC2 too? :) |
| 18:48.25 | djszapi | never tried, but I was quite okay with battlenet on SC1. I think I had a good achievement there :) |
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| 18:55.37 | Venemo_N950 | djszapi :) |
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| 19:08.49 | Richlv | wants cellhunter on n9 =) |
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| 19:23.36 | Richlv | although trying to get registration status from dbus fails with "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.phone.net was not provided by any .service files" :/ |
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| 20:34.59 | ZogG_laptop | djszapi: where is the point in code where you pass data to other qml? |
| 20:35.08 | ZogG_laptop | to other page? |
| 20:37.45 | djszapi | ZogG_laptop: I do not pass it. The other page can access to the property of this page.. |
| 20:38.00 | djszapi | but you can surely make a js function or similar things for passing. |
| 20:38.47 | ZogG_laptop | i saw your fuction but cant find where u use it |
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| 20:40.13 | djszapi | https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/player/harmattan/GameDetailsModel.qml#L37 |
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| 21:42.01 | Richlv | is there any "suggested" method to get java on n9 ? (to run microemulator with it) |
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| 22:45.03 | Natunen | meh |
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| 22:51.31 | DocScrutinizer | nobody testing openmode kernel? opensh? |
| 22:54.43 | Richlv | isn't advanced enough yet :) |
| 22:55.59 | lirax2432 | is it possible to install developer mode without wifi/3g? something like installing the packages? I searched in http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free but can't install openssh from there |
| 22:56.43 | Mek | even if you can find the .deb's somewhere, if you don't install them from the real repo they won't get the right origin and thus won't get the aegis rights they need |
| 22:57.53 | lirax2432 | :S thanks I tought there was a way |
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| 23:12.23 | jonni | Mek: that isnt entirely true, right origin remains if you get the debs, so in theory you can have all the debs in mydocs and isntall it from there. |
| 23:13.15 | lirax2432 | and is there a way to get them? |
| 23:13.17 | jabis | if you get the signed debs that is |
| 23:13.57 | jonni | apt-get --download-only install openssh, gets you the signed debs |
| 23:14.37 | lirax2432 | thanks I will try it right now |
| 23:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, you probably *could* do this command on you rlinux PC ;-D |
| 23:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | given you'd config all the right repos and passwords and whatnot |
| 23:15.43 | jabis | yeh - 403 is a bitch x) |
| 23:16.06 | lirax2432 | but I need to be root right? cause I tried it and I got E: Could not open lock.. |
| 23:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | err, you tried what? |
| 23:17.15 | lirax2432 | apt-get --download-only install openssh |
| 23:17.27 | lirax2432 | as jonni said |
| 23:17.45 | jabis | so let me get this right - you do or do not have internet access on the phone? |
| 23:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | on which machine? |
| 23:18.17 | lirax2432 | haha I get it.. |
| 23:18.26 | lirax2432 | I don't have internet acces on the phone |
| 23:18.55 | jabis | (I was under the impression that you need the packages,but no 3g/wifi) so no dice with a command that sucks the package from the internet ;) |
| 23:19.00 | jonni | you can use usbnet, if you kludge the route add default 192.168.2.14 |
| 23:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | on phone you can't apt-get --download without connectivity to internet. On PC you'll have a hard time teaching your apt to access the Nokia repos |
| 23:19.24 | jonni | I've installed through usbnet if there is no 3g or wifi |
| 23:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | yep, though usbnet isn't exactly easy to set up |
| 23:19.49 | lirax2432 | ok, I'm searching about usbnet |
| 23:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes |
| 23:20.05 | lirax2432 | so is there a way toacces nokia repo in pc? |
| 23:20.08 | jonni | well if you can ssh into the device then usb net is up |
| 23:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm indeed, kinda |
| 23:21.06 | jabis | tho you'd need to nat/bridge the host if I'm not terribly wrong |
| 23:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | and also teach the phone about standard gateway and routing |
| 23:21.59 | jonni | jabis: not necessarily, its enough if your pc has http proxy, then you can just: export http_proxy=http://192.168.2.14; apt-get --download..... |
| 23:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 23:22.22 | jonni | no need to teach about routing |
| 23:22.49 | jabis | if it's a windows host that might be a bit trickier - tho duely noted that's one option for sure :) |
| 23:23.18 | DocScrutinizer | I thought along the line of port forwarding via ssh |
| 23:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 23:23.24 | Richlv | i was thinking of suggesting to route through a laptop wifi, then remembered "no wifi" part :> |
| 23:24.01 | lirax2432 | I know I can't just access directly to http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/apps but you say that I'll have a hard time teaching myself to access it, just to be clear, is it possible to access from a pc? |
| 23:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | probably easiest way is to take a walk to the next public hotspot ;-D |
| 23:24.19 | Richlv | lirax2432, btw, do you mean "no wifi access to internet" or "no wifi at al" ? |
| 23:24.26 | Richlv | all |
| 23:25.05 | lirax2432 | I have no wifi at all |
| 23:25.08 | jonni | lirax2432: its easier just to export http_proxy, there is a way to access from pc, but you need to fake a lot of things, ie you need to reverse engineer the headers it sends |
| 23:25.25 | lirax2432 | that sounds hard |
| 23:25.44 | jabis | not really hard, but takes some serious effort x) |
| 23:25.55 | jabis | hard is subjective ^^ |
| 23:26.10 | lirax2432 | and how can I learn to do that? what do I have to read? |
| 23:26.18 | lirax2432 | read/try |
| 23:28.49 | jonni | http://www.charlesproxy.com/ is pretty nice multiplatform http proxy protocol analyser, if you really want to learn to do that ;) |
| 23:29.05 | lirax2432 | thank you |
| 23:29.31 | jabis | mainly I'd like to know what your host (pc) operating system is? |
| 23:29.40 | jabis | windows? |
| 23:29.59 | lirax2432 | arch linux |
| 23:31.42 | jabis | kk - then setting up a http proxy shouldn't be that hard |
| 23:33.10 | jabis | privoxy or squid I'd reckon the easy to setup ones |
| 23:33.16 | lirax2432 | ok will look into it |
| 23:33.31 | lirax2432 | I used squid at school but nothing serious |
| 23:33.40 | lirax2432 | I need to read a lot of stuff |
| 23:34.38 | jabis | not really - set up the proxy on your host and export http_proxy on the phone -> done |
| 23:35.15 | jabis | lirax2432: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Privoxy |
| 23:35.20 | jonni | apt-get install tinyproxy, if you want really small proxy |
| 23:36.12 | lirax2432 | ok pacman -S tinyproxy for me |
| 23:36.43 | jonni | ofcourse you could just ask someone to run apt-get --download-only on their phone for you can copy the packages :) |
| 23:36.58 | jonni | s/can/and/ |
| 23:38.11 | jabis | well knowledge > spoonfeeding x) |
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