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| 03:06.07 | Sazpaimon_ | so i untarred the beta3 rootstrap over beta2 |
| 03:06.15 | Sazpaimon_ | but im still seeing PR1.0 packages |
| 03:15.34 | Sazpaimon_ | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/libm/libmeegotouch/ this has an older version of libmeegotouch for esxample |
| 03:15.37 | Sazpaimon_ | *example |
| 03:15.56 | Sazpaimon_ | the one on my PR1.1 is 0.23.21-1+0m6 |
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| 05:17.46 | Anssi138 | morning, what is a easy way to debug private mappings on harmattan? |
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| 08:47.08 | RST38h | Moorning, gentlemen |
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| 08:53.57 | lardman|home | I've just noticed that the beta repo has vanished, presumably I ought to update to beta3 |
| 08:54.43 | lardman|home | is it a case of re-installing from scratch, or is there an upgrade path? A quick Google didn't find anything very useful |
| 08:55.20 | RST38h | I screwed with it for a little, then reinstalled |
| 08:56.07 | lardman|home | hmm, I hope this doesn't happen too often |
| 08:58.30 | RST38h | lardman: I am sure it will not, given all the support to Maemo6 fromthe upper management... =) |
| 08:58.53 | lardman|home | yeah I was thinking just that as I typed :( |
| 09:01.59 | lardman|home | RST38h: any roughg idea howlarge the downloads are? I might wait till I get to my very quick (and truely unlimited) work download link |
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| 09:02.28 | lardman|home | hmm, one handed typing not the best I see |
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| 09:02.55 | RST38h | lardman: I do not remember for sure, but something like 250-350MB of archives |
| 09:03.05 | RST38h | May be off though, by a lot |
| 09:03.27 | lardman|home | cool, thanks |
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| 09:12.50 | flux | how can I see, which credentials an installed package has requested or got? |
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| 09:15.45 | jonni | flux: by reading /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf for example |
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| 09:16.45 | flux | jonni, thanks, exactly what I was looking for |
| 09:17.00 | flux | I guess I should've just looked/grepped all the files under /var/lib/aegis |
| 09:19.25 | jonni | and if you have hacked your shell to have tcb capas, then you can just use: accli -I -b /path/to/binary |
| 09:19.44 | jonni | without tcb that doesnt report right capas |
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| 09:38.48 | Sazpaimon_ | why does my beta3 rootstrap still contain PR1.0 packages? |
| 09:39.44 | Sazpaimon_ | my libqt4 is still an older version thats in PR1.1, and the beta3 repository also has the old versions |
| 09:39.45 | Sazpaimon_ | what gives |
| 09:39.46 | flux | interesting: Package: countdown Request: Cellular |
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| 09:41.06 | flux | gpsspeed: TrackerReadAccess TrackerWriteAccess, phonetorch: Location, TrackerReadAccess, TrackerWriteAccess |
| 09:41.28 | flux | I guess those come 'too easily' with QtCreator? |
| 09:41.47 | flux | so, hopefully it's benign :) |
| 09:42.35 | Sazpaimon_ | anyone? I'm trying to buld the latest meego-terminal (with copy/paste support) and its not going to build with this version of qt that the SDK provides |
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| 09:52.28 | flux | hmph, how would one even install a non-nokia meego-terminal, given developer-mode depends on it? |
| 09:53.25 | jonni | flux: rename package to meego-terminal2 ;) |
| 09:53.53 | flux | jonni, and the binary and some paths as well. argh.. |
| 09:54.36 | deram | flux: did you find the the packaging configs somewhere, or just imported the project to sdk? |
| 09:55.25 | jonni | or just use hacked shell to install your own pgp keys as com.nokia.maemo, and just install over the original terminal :) |
| 09:55.34 | jonni | (like I did) |
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| 10:56.05 | Sazpaimon_ | ugh, i can not for the life of me find the PR1.1 packages for the SDK |
| 10:56.11 | Sazpaimon_ | can anyone please help me |
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| 12:39.35 | jonni | Sazpaimon_: most likely as everything needs to be binary compatible with PR1.0 anyways so sdk hasnt been updated, just a guess, I have no real info. |
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| 14:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/n9_goes_spooky.mp4 weird touchscreen misbehaviour |
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| 14:40.12 | qronic | How to get rid of "My status" in the status bar panel? |
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| 15:06.19 | macmaN | MohammadAG: took a deep breath and cloned gidzzz-qt-mediaplayer :> |
| 15:06.52 | macmaN | MohammadAG: thought id at least get started by making sure i am able to build it for fremantle and perhaps kick my development off on fremantle |
| 15:08.25 | macmaN | and for some reason i dont have fremantle in my qtcreator + sign |
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| 15:30.21 | macmaN | ok word mucking around with sdkmaintenancetool brought maemo5 back |
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| 15:35.05 | macmaN | #include <gq/GConfItem> |
| 15:35.10 | macmaN | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.13 | macmaN | hmmmm |
| 15:35.17 | macmaN | how do i do that in qtcreator |
| 15:43.04 | Kypeli | They are included in the Harmattan MeeGo platform API |
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| 15:43.11 | Kypeli | And they are available on the device |
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| 16:03.19 | MohammadAG | Second clearance delay |
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| 16:04.26 | MohammadAG | V |
| 16:04.31 | MohammadAG | Sorry about that |
| 16:04.53 | GeneralAntilles | Doom 3 is GPL? |
| 16:04.54 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
| 16:05.14 | MohammadAG | O_o |
| 16:06.14 | Tronic | GeneralAntilles: It was a crappy engine in 2004 when iD originally released it. I wouldn't get too excited. |
| 16:06.33 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, it's better than Quake III |
| 16:06.43 | Tronic | Seriously... |
| 16:07.09 | Tronic | The FOSS community needs to start creating its own crap instead of living on the leftovers of ancient commercial games. |
| 16:07.30 | GeneralAntilles | Building an engine is a helluva lot of work. |
| 16:07.45 | GeneralAntilles | If iD is willing to provide stepladders, then why waste the extra effort? |
| 16:07.57 | Tronic | Yet, a few projects are doing that, and apparently successfully enough to attract even commercial (indie) developers. |
| 16:08.40 | Tronic | My worry with iD's code is that it is so bad and outdated that any further development put into it is total waste. |
| 16:09.14 | Tronic | Since 2004 there have been half a dozen OpenGL releases and pretty much the entire API as well as shader language has changed. |
| 16:09.35 | Tronic | If you target modern hardware, code older than circa 2008 is completely useless. |
| 16:10.10 | Tronic | If you are developing an engine, you should not target modern hardware but rather /future/ hardware. |
| 16:12.05 | Sazpaimon_ | how do I get PR1.1 packages on my harmattan SDK |
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| 16:26.40 | gri | is it possible to tell the theme daemon to update right now? my application can only find it's icons after a reboot .... |
| 16:28.23 | faenil | o/ gri :) hi people |
| 16:28.39 | gri | morning faenil |
| 16:30.10 | gri | Sazpaimon_: which packages? |
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| 16:39.58 | gabriel9 | can someone tell me where n9 store backup files |
| 16:39.59 | gabriel9 | i wish to make backup of backup :) |
| 16:42.57 | Sazpaimon_ | gri, specifically libqt packages |
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| 16:43.15 | Sazpaimon_ | I'm trying to build the latest meego-terminal with copy/paste support, but it requires a more recent libqt |
| 16:43.22 | Sazpaimon_ | and the SDK only provides PR1.0 Qt |
| 16:43.35 | Sazpaimon_ | even using the beta3 repository |
| 16:46.30 | gri | hmm |
| 16:46.47 | gri | you could just change the dependency and try compiling since on the device the version fits :) |
| 16:47.14 | Sazpaimon_ | gri, no, I mean it uses functtions from the PR1.1 libqt |
| 16:47.25 | Sazpaimon_ | it wont compile on the qt that PR1.0 has |
| 16:47.45 | Sazpaimon_ | i should say, it requires a later version of libmeegotouch that's on PR1.1 |
| 16:47.51 | Sazpaimon_ | which requires a later version of qt |
| 16:48.23 | Sazpaimon_ | it specifically requests the PR1.1 version of qt, so I assume it's for good reason |
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| 17:02.52 | mgedmin | gabriel9, /home/user/MyDocs/.backups |
| 17:04.49 | gabriel9 | thanks, i miss that one |
| 17:05.04 | gabriel9 | and now to flash it to match my country |
| 17:15.44 | faenil | gri: just finished antenna signal strenght miniapp :) |
| 17:16.03 | gri | did it work with dbus? |
| 17:16.22 | faenil | used the link you sent me :) |
| 17:16.36 | faenil | haven't tried with dbus |
| 17:16.42 | gri | ok :) |
| 17:16.58 | faenil | do you think it's worth publishing to ovistore? could be useful to some people |
| 17:17.15 | gri | what does it display? |
| 17:17.25 | faenil | signal strenght percentage |
| 17:17.36 | faenil | well, need to make it cute to publish it ofc... |
| 17:17.49 | faenil | but it's something better than the 5 bars |
| 17:18.10 | gri | hmm, I think this alone is a bit pointless? |
| 17:18.40 | gri | if you add more graphs you can make a cellular utility (and/or with wifi) |
| 17:18.55 | faenil | yeah, could be |
| 17:19.07 | faenil | well, it's useful to me, that's why I asked the question in first place :D |
| 17:19.18 | faenil | it could be useful to those people who want something more accurate than bars :D |
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| 18:00.55 | petteri | new meego terminal just showed up in my N9. The copy paster works nicely |
| 18:04.13 | Tronic | woot |
| 18:04.32 | Tronic | url clicking too? |
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| 18:07.30 | petteri | no url clicking |
| 18:07.42 | mgedmin | so that's what changed |
| 18:08.58 | mgedmin | WOOOOT |
| 18:09.26 | mgedmin | the copy/paste mode enables vim xterm mouse support! |
| 18:10.13 | mgedmin | still no idea why I can't launch fbreader from the app launcher |
| 18:11.37 | mgedmin | tries in command line |
| 18:11.51 | mgedmin | aha! $ /usr/bin/single-instance /usr/bin/FBReader -> ERROR!!: Lock reserved but no window id for binary name found. |
| 18:12.26 | mgedmin | uses strace -e open to find the lock |
| 18:12.28 | mgedmin | /var/run/single-instance-locks//usr/bin/FBReader/instance.lock |
| 18:12.47 | mgedmin | I ♥ unix |
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| 18:18.25 | RzR | great news |
| 18:30.55 | RST38h | mgedmin <-- is going to love WP7 |
| 18:31.02 | mgedmin | barfs |
| 18:31.07 | RST38h | No nasty locks to care about. No FBReader in fact. |
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| 18:36.23 | RzR | putain de spammers telephoniques |
| 18:36.32 | RzR | impossible d avoir leur numero de sirte |
| 18:36.34 | RzR | siret |
| 18:36.40 | RzR | oopz |
| 18:36.45 | RzR | wrong window |
| 18:36.51 | faenil | lol |
| 18:36.57 | RzR | anyway i hate them |
| 18:37.19 | RzR | i suppose everyone understood |
| 18:37.20 | mgedmin | have you read Good Omens? |
| 18:37.28 | mgedmin | there's an _excellent_ scene with phone spammers in there |
| 18:37.38 | SpeedEvil | Also 'paintball'. |
| 18:38.22 | RzR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Omens |
| 18:38.37 | mgedmin | yep |
| 18:38.44 | mgedmin | good book |
| 18:42.07 | RzR | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/11/23/1658246/nokia-siemens-axing-17000-positions |
| 18:42.31 | RzR | This is all the fault of the M$ plant Elop. Dirty fucker won't be happy until the company is ruined then "conveniently" bought by M$ upon which he will receive a huge golden parachute and a cushy position back at M$. Don't believe that Qt won't be axed soon as well. |
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| 18:46.14 | Milhouse | Anyone with an N9/N950... in the calendar app in landscape, do you have the letters "abc" to the left of the clock in the status bar? |
| 18:47.36 | mgedmin | Milhouse, what? no |
| 18:47.46 | Milhouse | hmm... wierd, I do |
| 18:47.57 | Milhouse | but only in landscape |
| 18:48.09 | mgedmin | left of the clock -- that's where the statuc icons are, right? |
| 18:48.20 | Milhouse | oh, and it's not just calendar - just saw it with email too |
| 18:48.34 | Milhouse | yes, i've got a green availability icon, abc, then the time |
| 18:48.56 | Milhouse | i'll open a bug.. with snapshot... how do i take a screenshot again on the n950? :) |
| 18:49.12 | mgedmin | install an app |
| 18:49.22 | mgedmin | e.g. ScreenshotMee |
| 18:49.24 | Milhouse | wasn't it built-in? |
| 18:49.30 | mgedmin | afaik, no |
| 18:49.31 | Milhouse | no ctrl-p? |
| 18:49.34 | Milhouse | bah, k thanks |
| 18:50.08 | mgedmin | n9 has no ctrl ;) |
| 18:50.12 | mgedmin | (except in xterm) |
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| 19:12.45 | Milhouse | https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=223 if anyone is interested. Can't put too much detail into the bug as I have no idea how it happened... |
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| 20:21.53 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Evolution Of Debian Package Dependencies Resemble Predator-Prey Relationships |
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| 20:23.26 | RzR | Milhouse: this is a top priority bug |
| 20:23.46 | RzR | Milhouse: lets hope this one will be the only one left soon |
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| 20:44.32 | Milhouse | RzR: Damn straight. ;-) |
| 20:46.52 | frals | uh, the statusbar should hide in the email app in landscape at least |
| 20:47.23 | Milhouse | frals: it does, but before you see the app expand into the status bar area, you can see the "abc" present in the status bar |
| 20:47.36 | frals | alright |
| 20:48.39 | Milhouse | it's a minor bug, the only reason i raised it is because it's so wierd (what with the status bar being somewhat locked down in terms of what can go in there) |
| 20:49.44 | augustl | anyone else having battery issues on the N9 after the update? |
| 20:50.00 | augustl | lasts only about a day now, compared to 3-4 days before |
| 20:50.35 | frals | hmm, i remember that ABC icon from somewhere but i cant for the life of me remember where |
| 20:50.47 | Milhouse | augustl: read someone suggesting skype could be a culprit, you have skype enabled? |
| 20:51.16 | Milhouse | frals: it looks like debug info, to be honest... the sort of thing someone might put in when testing. |
| 20:51.47 | Milhouse | frals: haven't installed any news apps recently (other than to take a snapshot) |
| 20:51.48 | frals | hm wait, is this on the n950? |
| 20:51.56 | frals | is your keyboard open? |
| 20:51.58 | Milhouse | frals: yes, n950/pr1.1 (39-5) |
| 20:52.04 | Milhouse | frals: no, closed |
| 20:52.08 | frals | doh |
| 20:52.09 | frals | :P |
| 20:52.20 | frals | guess i should charge mine |
| 20:53.00 | Milhouse | ah yes, i see where you'ge going. i'm using swype as my vkb. |
| 20:53.07 | Milhouse | s/you'ge/you're/ |
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| 20:56.26 | augustl | Milhouse: hmm no, it's not enabled |
| 20:56.31 | augustl | Milhouse: that is, I don't have an account set up |
| 20:57.11 | Milhouse | haven't noticed any significant change in battery life since pr1.1 on my n950, but then i never used to get 3-4 days anyway - 2 days (40 hours) tops. |
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| 21:42.55 | mgedmin | augustl, run top, see if anything sticks out |
| 21:43.13 | mgedmin | I've had fun with messageserver eating 100% CPU, that shortens battery life rather quickly |
| 21:43.33 | SpeedEvil | "" compositor |
| 21:44.17 | mgedmin | basically, if it feels warm to touch when you're not playing 3D games, something's wrong |
| 21:44.25 | mgedmin | (and battery eating) |
| 21:44.40 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 21:44.47 | SpeedEvil | GOF2 uses around 1W |
| 21:44.52 | SpeedEvil | doing 3G stuff can hit 2 |
| 21:45.06 | SpeedEvil | has discovered overleveling in GOF2 is painful. |
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| 22:07.36 | MohammadAG | Gof 2 is sexy on the iphone and ipad |
| 22:14.22 | augustl | mgedmin: ah, I'll try that |
| 22:14.57 | mgedmin | what's overleveling? |
| 22:15.59 | mgedmin | augustl, if it does turn out to be messageserver, disable mail checking (or reduce mail checking frequency, although mine was already "every 20 mins" so maybe this won't work), that seems to help |
| 22:17.40 | ajalkane | I'm liking Gof 2 more on N9/N950 than on the iDevices. |
| 22:18.07 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: getting to too high a level, so instead of facing 5-6 enemies, you get a swarm of 25. |
| 22:18.18 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 22:18.26 | mgedmin | sounds like fun :) |
| 22:18.50 | SpeedEvil | This can be nonsurvivable, even in the best ship, with the custom armour, railguns, shield, ... |
| 22:40.13 | ajalkane | I did a Google search on "Is galaxy on fire 2 better than Elite", but the results were not conclusive |
| 22:40.39 | SpeedEvil | It has better graphics. |
| 22:40.43 | SpeedEvil | Gameplay - not. |
| 22:49.08 | Sput | Elite gameplay is still unmatched |
| 22:49.37 | SpeedEvil | Also - the version of GOF2 is quite old. |
| 22:49.46 | SpeedEvil | Newer versions with more features and stuff exist. |
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| 23:28.08 | RzR | anyone has a ssh to his n950 ? |
| 23:28.11 | RzR | can you please |
| 23:28.16 | RzR | dmesg | grep -i cpu |
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| 23:35.30 | zk8 | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9887743/evopedia_0.4.3-1.tar.gz |
| 23:36.00 | zk8 | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9887743/evopedia_0.4.3-1_armel.deb |