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| 02:18.25 | djszapi | Sput ping |
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| 04:52.51 | iekku | morning |
| 05:33.01 | dm8tbr | moaning |
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| 06:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | moans a bit too |
| 06:25.27 | dm8tbr | never thought he'd need to loan an android device to work on stuff for harmattan... |
| 06:25.54 | dm8tbr | specifically an android phone, as I own android tablets. |
| 06:26.38 | psycho_oreos | loan from nokia? |
| 06:27.06 | dm8tbr | nah, we have some android phones internally at my company |
| 06:27.24 | dm8tbr | I need to figure out the liveview protcol a bit better |
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| 07:16.02 | DocScrutinizer | http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/11/21/nokia-n9-software-update-v1-1-rolls-out/ |
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| 08:05.18 | mece | are sdl libs for harmattan in official repos? |
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| 08:33.46 | matrixx | dm8tbr: apparently now the other theme is also in staging, it just took two days to get there :] |
| 08:34.04 | matrixx | *uhm, not in staging but visible in the UI |
| 08:34.42 | dm8tbr | :) |
| 08:34.58 | dm8tbr | really needs to look into how to do community qa |
| 08:35.05 | dm8tbr | we need to be superawesome at this |
| 08:36.07 | matrixx | hey, also themechanger download works now! |
| 08:36.26 | matrixx | now everything works as they should, someone has been busy :) |
| 08:37.10 | matrixx | dm8tbr: it's really simple, you just install the package you wanna test with your device, then answer a few simple questions about the app |
| 08:37.21 | matrixx | all automized |
| 08:38.14 | matrixx | I'm also going to try out a few apps tonight, there's already some waiting in the QA :) |
| 08:41.18 | dm8tbr | cool beans |
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| 09:31.38 | mece | X-Fade, hey, to enable testing repo in the afm client, can I simply add the correct line to /etc/apts/souces.list.d/appsformeego.list ? and what would that line be? |
| 09:34.05 | mece | X-Fade, nevermind found the testing enabler app :) |
| 09:39.21 | mece | I absolutely love the whole afm thing. Love it! I've got to get working on qlister2 and tweed suit to get those apps in there. |
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| 09:57.37 | RzR-volatile | hi |
| 09:57.51 | RzR-volatile | are you using cmake along harmattan ? |
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| 11:24.05 | mece | hello, I seem to be having an import problem with this app. |
| 11:24.22 | mece | invoker died on launch, and I googled and found this: http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Single_Instance_Harmattan_Applications |
| 11:25.42 | mece | but qtcreator says Q_DECL_EXPORT bit doesn't exist. I only include <QtGui/QApplication> and <QtDeclarative>. What else do I need to get that working? |
| 11:28.07 | mece | eh nevermind it worked anyway. |
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| 12:06.08 | RzR-volatile | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/22/0015223/are-there-any-smartphones-that-respect-privacy?utm_source=feedburnerMy+Yahoo&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo |
| 12:07.01 | Ans5i | n9? |
| 12:07.37 | flux | even n9 requires you to sign up to nokia. it doesn't keep track after that, though (?) |
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| 12:08.32 | RzR-volatile | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2537718&cid=38131534 |
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| 12:09.23 | Ans5i | flux: sign up is optional |
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| 12:09.54 | flux | ans5i, ok. how about if you want to use maps? but I guess that's different, you're already using a service and there might be other maps one could use.. |
| 12:11.25 | Ans5i | flux: dunno, iirc some maps might be preinstalled |
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| 12:15.56 | RzR-volatile | flux: i think i was able to use maps without signin |
| 12:16.22 | RzR-volatile | on n950 1st fz |
| 12:16.24 | RzR-volatile | fw |
| 12:16.42 | flux | developer devices might be different.. did the ovi side even work at that point?-) |
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| 12:55.17 | Jare_ | is the name of the current network connection inside some variable or where could i find it? |
| 12:56.25 | Jare_ | i mean the internet ap name, which i could use in my script |
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| 12:57.05 | pawky | Is there anyone here who works for Nokia and who might be able to see what happens to my N9 thats sent in for replacement? |
| 12:59.03 | pawky | (I know this is a long shot...) |
| 13:01.13 | macmaN | sup Jare_ |
| 13:02.25 | macmaN | Jare_: i saw your success message last night |
| 13:04.33 | macmaN | Jare_: what was the up/down script solution and what are you working on now? |
| 13:07.33 | Jare_ | actually it's nearly finished, but i thought that adding an option to choose the homenetwork would be nice |
| 13:07.43 | Tronic | pawky: I know someone but won't be able to see what happens to your device. |
| 13:08.13 | Tronic | pawky: If you can tell about the fault, I can probably find out how whether the replace it with a new device or not. |
| 13:08.30 | Jare_ | currently it calculates subnets and determines if the local subnet and remote vpn subnet have a conflict with each other |
| 13:08.51 | Jare_ | and based on that information it doesn't start openvpn |
| 13:09.28 | Tronic | flux: Ovi login worked in w22 (original) firmware already. |
| 13:13.25 | Arkenoi | there is "nokia account" but no ovi share option anywhere |
| 13:16.00 | pawky | Tronic: This channel recommended me to send it in for replacement, which I did. The unit simply rebooted itself after 10-20 keypresses. Looking into the log files, i suspect it might have been some issue with either memory or the i2c chip. The unit is now in Hungary, and I am just wondering how long it will take for them to realise to simply send a new one. |
| 13:17.10 | pawky | Tronic: I tried to call Nokia, and the service place i left it to, but neither can give me an answer what actually happens in Hungary and I miss my cool phone :'( |
| 13:17.16 | Sazpaimon_ | how do I update my scratchbox SDK to PR1.1? |
| 13:17.39 | Sazpaimon_ | do I just do a dist-upgrade? |
| 13:18.04 | Tronic | pawky: Can't help much with that but Nokia is known to be notoriously slow with that (3 weeks or more). |
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| 13:18.44 | macmaN | Jare_: are you able to shoot UI notifications from bash scripts? |
| 13:19.06 | Tronic | I would appreciate it if they simply gave replacements from the repair shops without having to wait. |
| 13:19.23 | pawky | Tronic: a bit to long I think for a unit thats faulty from start... :-( |
| 13:19.28 | Jare_ | macmaN: don't know, haven't gone that far yet |
| 13:19.57 | pawky | Tronic: yes, when it comes to replace it, things could be a bit faster... |
| 13:21.54 | pawky | Tronic: It's a bit to long chain in my oppinion Owner ->Shop -> service station -> Nokia Service station -> service station -> shop -> unhapy owner |
| 13:25.20 | Tronic | Plenty of retailers have DOA instant replacement policy and a few also offer instant replacement during the warranty period (for PC hardware at least). I prefer to buy my gadgets from such retailers even if it costs more. |
| 13:27.35 | SpeedEvil | pawky: If you're in europe - distance selling act. |
| 13:27.43 | SpeedEvil | (well, and if you bought at a distance) |
| 13:27.55 | Hq` | I've been able to get a Nokia device replaced in a few hours (during which they inspected it) when I took it directly to a nearby service center |
| 13:28.07 | Hq` | that was a few years ago, though |
| 13:28.07 | SpeedEvil | Simply return it, not get a replacement, and buy new. |
| 13:28.08 | pawky | SpeedEvil:good thought, but nope.. |
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| 13:28.18 | SpeedEvil | And too late, anyway. |
| 13:28.30 | pawky | SpeedEvil: :-) |
| 13:29.38 | pawky | I believe I just have to tinker along with my N900 meanwhile... |
| 13:31.45 | snowpong | when running valgrind from Qt Creator (remote) anyone else seen "unable to connect to X" ? |
| 13:31.55 | faenil | any way to read antenna signal from terminal or stuff like that? |
| 13:32.27 | SpeedEvil | faenil: What do you mean by antenna signal? |
| 13:32.30 | snowpong | this is when running it on the N9 btw .. work fine when running from command line |
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| 13:37.57 | faenil | SpeedEvil: my aim is to see if I get more signal by removing the backplate of the n950 |
| 13:38.01 | faenil | and comparing it to n9 |
| 13:38.22 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 13:38.32 | faenil | but without using the UI, which is not accurate |
| 13:39.55 | dm8tbr | faenil: both ends of the back-plate look like standard plastic, so there is most likely no gain |
| 13:40.16 | dm8tbr | faenil: what you'd need would be field-test software ;) |
| 13:40.44 | faenil | dm8tbr: still, n950 is unusable here, while N9, N8 are perfectly working |
| 13:41.27 | faenil | dm8tbr: isn't there anything like that for n9/n950? how does it get the signal strenght it shows in the UI? |
| 13:41.59 | dm8tbr | oh, I'm sure there is, but I'm also sure it won't work without RDC ;) |
| 13:42.27 | dm8tbr | or at least some magic incantations, but for that you'd need to get your hands on such and that's most likely never going to happen |
| 13:42.58 | faenil | what's RDC |
| 13:43.39 | faenil | oh ok, different word for it here |
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| 13:43.55 | faenil | what's the problem in getting the value the UI uses? |
| 13:44.12 | dm8tbr | that should be possible to get |
| 13:44.15 | dm8tbr | somehow |
| 13:44.34 | faenil | and that should be enough, shouldn't it :) that's what I want to do... |
| 13:45.42 | faenil | and I'm looking for more info on how to get that value :D |
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| 13:46.45 | Sazpaimon_ | okay do dist-upgrade didnt help, all my packages are PR1.0 in scratchbox |
| 13:47.49 | Sazpaimon_ | can anyone tell me how to upgrade my SDK to PR1.1? |
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| 13:53.17 | mece | Sazpaimon_, perhaps you need to reinstall the rootstrap? |
| 13:53.28 | Sazpaimon_ | seriously? |
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| 13:53.35 | Sazpaimon_ | there's no way to do a standard upgrade? |
| 13:54.33 | mece | Sazpaimon_, I'm installing from scratch as we speak but am stuck at "sb-conf: No such compiler: cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7" |
| 13:55.01 | mece | Sazpaimon_, so I have no idea. It was just a guess, since there is a separate rootstrap for beta3 (which I guess is pr1.1) |
| 13:55.40 | dm8tbr | is b3 out yet? |
| 13:55.47 | dm8tbr | err disregard |
| 13:55.54 | dm8tbr | read pr1.2 ;) |
| 13:56.14 | mece | :) |
| 13:56.30 | Sazpaimon_ | guess Ill just untar it over my beta2 rootstrap |
| 13:56.52 | mece | Sazpaimon_, try it :) |
| 13:58.19 | mece | anyone have an idea why scatchbox is giving me "sb-conf: No such compiler: cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7"? The package scratchbox-toolchain-cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7 installed fine.. |
| 13:58.37 | Sazpaimon_ | does the compiler exist in /scratchbox/compilers? |
| 13:59.03 | Sazpaimon_ | if not, try to reinstall it |
| 13:59.25 | mece | hmm i think the name might have changed. |
| 13:59.50 | mece | there's it's called cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7-hard, not cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7 |
| 13:59.55 | mece | Sazpaimon_, thanks :) |
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| 14:06.26 | mece | gaah that stupid fokking tablets-dev restricted downloads site neither works with lynx nor elinks.... |
| 14:06.29 | mece | GAH! |
| 14:06.44 | mece | any suggestions on how to download from command prompt |
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| 14:22.39 | lardman|lab | wget? |
| 14:22.50 | lardman|lab | apt-get install wget first of all mind you |
| 14:23.36 | lardman|lab | Anyone know of a working image -> text recognition program/library for either Fremantle or Harmattan? |
| 14:25.56 | mece | lardman|lab, but it requires a cookie set when you accept the agreement. |
| 14:28.46 | lardman|lab | dunno, sorry mece |
| 14:29.09 | mece | lardman|lab, I guess I'll just have to do it from home |
| 14:31.57 | dm8tbr | mece: curl can do cookies IIRC, but I thought links can do too |
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| 14:38.37 | Sazpaimon_ | mece, elinks |
| 14:40.46 | rm_work | dm8tbr: hey, so could you comment on the battery life again? |
| 14:40.57 | rm_work | EVERY review I've found indicates they have HORRIBLE battery life |
| 14:41.20 | dm8tbr | rm_work: ask me again once I use it actively |
| 14:41.24 | rm_work | ah k |
| 14:41.52 | dm8tbr | I expect to get a day of battery life out of it |
| 14:41.58 | qronic | Are these bugs could be used on N9? http://jon.oberheide.org/files/levitator.c |
| 14:42.31 | rm_work | I recommend you use it actively before the sale ends on the end of the month :P |
| 14:42.31 | qronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.41 | mece | Sazpaimon_, i tried elinks. Didn't work :/ |
| 14:43.09 | MohammadAG | Third N950 shipped |
| 14:43.26 | mece | MohammadAG, somebody's collecting them somewhere... |
| 14:43.28 | macmaN | MohammadAG: :) what? you mean you gave up on the replacement? |
| 14:43.45 | macmaN | MohammadAG: have you considered emigrating yet? |
| 14:44.10 | MohammadAG | macmaN: Nokia's claiming it back and sending me another one |
| 14:44.15 | MohammadAG | mece: lol |
| 14:44.25 | macmaN | for example finland is only 80km from estonia, you would have to option to go bearwrestle nokia people if they dont behave |
| 14:44.48 | MohammadAG | I pay frals to do that :p |
| 14:44.56 | macmaN | mkay |
| 14:45.04 | macmaN | its nice to be rich |
| 14:45.07 | macmaN | :> |
| 14:46.07 | Sazpaimon_ | mece, if it keeps reloading the EULA when you accept |
| 14:46.15 | Sazpaimon_ | just CTRL+R the page when you do |
| 14:46.27 | MohammadAG | macmaN: $0.1 a month |
| 14:46.31 | Sazpaimon_ | elinks caches the EULA page and you're actually POSTing to the same URL you're at |
| 14:52.47 | mece | Sazpaimon_, ok, thanks |
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| 15:02.05 | HtheB | hi |
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| 15:05.20 | dm8tbr | rm_work: I'm actually going to borrow a android phone to look a bit closer at intended behaviour etc. so yes. I'll hopefully have some numbers at the end of the week |
| 15:10.48 | luke-jr | Is the N9 actually end-user friendly? |
| 15:11.21 | HtheB | yes |
| 15:11.24 | HtheB | very friendly |
| 15:11.41 | HtheB | although that is the reason why a lot of features are missing |
| 15:11.58 | HtheB | like selecting text in browser (to copy and paste) |
| 15:12.13 | HtheB | to have a mouse cursor (like we had on the N900) |
| 15:13.10 | mece | are there the sources somewhere on http://repo.apps.formeego.org ? |
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| 15:19.50 | unreal- | what do you guys make of this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80269 ? |
| 15:19.56 | unreal- | FUD? |
| 15:22.18 | Jare_ | ummh, i should call nokia then :I |
| 15:22.40 | HtheB | well... |
| 15:22.45 | HtheB | there was an issue with the screens |
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| 15:23.08 | HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80149 |
| 15:23.12 | HtheB | that one |
| 15:23.23 | luke-jr | HtheB: but things actually *work* sanely? :P |
| 15:23.36 | HtheB | sanely as in? |
| 15:23.45 | luke-jr | not like the N900, where everything was half-baked and broken |
| 15:23.47 | Jare_ | no problems in my 64GB N9 though, but i bought it from a private person so i don't think Nokia will contact me personally in case of a recall :P |
| 15:24.18 | HtheB | luke-jr: no, it's great at the moment for the endusers |
| 15:24.55 | HtheB | Jare_: I think when you first start up the phone, your phone will sent a sms to Nokia |
| 15:25.03 | HtheB | so they HAVE your number :p |
| 15:25.28 | luke-jr | can't be bypassed on N9? |
| 15:25.53 | HtheB | dont think so |
| 15:26.04 | Jare_ | i wouldn't be surprised about that and anyway they know my Nokia Account too... |
| 15:26.06 | HtheB | didnt try it out though |
| 15:26.12 | HtheB | Jare_: lol |
| 15:26.28 | HtheB | I have 1 problem with Harmattan ..... |
| 15:27.25 | Jare_ | i'm still searching for a simple command line tool to send api messages to the gui. Isn't there any? |
| 15:27.27 | HtheB | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5202 |
| 15:27.28 | HtheB | this problem |
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| 15:31.25 | jonni | Jare_: define api messages? |
| 15:32.42 | Jare_ | just a simple status message for the user, which would show up for example in the status bar |
| 15:32.57 | MohammadAG | Ah |
| 15:33.05 | MohammadAG | That may be easy to do |
| 15:33.15 | MohammadAG | Do you want it to be persistent? |
| 15:33.26 | MohammadAG | Like show up in the events view |
| 15:33.51 | MohammadAG | Or just show up for some time and disappear automatically |
| 15:34.38 | HtheB | MohammadAG: keyfe hal? |
| 15:35.09 | Jare_ | MohammadAG: just show up and disappear, it's a status message about openvpn service |
| 15:35.09 | MohammadAG | Heh, good :p |
| 15:35.17 | HtheB | hamdl. |
| 15:35.35 | jonni | Jare_: dbus-send can be used for all dbus based api's |
| 15:35.38 | MohammadAG | Jare_: You familiar with C++ |
| 15:35.50 | MohammadAG | MBanner isn't dubs |
| 15:35.58 | MohammadAG | Dbus based |
| 15:36.10 | MohammadAG | MNotification is |
| 15:36.16 | MohammadAG | But that's persistent |
| 15:36.29 | MohammadAG | Anyway you can make your own command line tool |
| 15:37.30 | Jare_ | kinda, i've coded c mainly, but anyway i'm a bit surprised if theres no such thing done yet |
| 15:38.33 | MohammadAG | You need a simple Qt binary to do this |
| 15:38.40 | HtheB | MohammadAG: is it possible to change the behaviour of the volume buttons? |
| 15:39.36 | HtheB | regarding this: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5202 |
| 15:40.14 | MohammadAG | The 4 lines of code you'll need https://gitorious.org/qtbook/sociality-mtf/blobs/master/checkinpage.cpp#line88 Jare_ |
| 15:40.38 | matrixx | Jare_: MohammadAG: there's this: http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch/trees/master/tools/mnotificationtool |
| 15:40.49 | matrixx | though not sure if it creates only persistent ones |
| 15:40.51 | MohammadAG | HtheB: No idea, dont have a device and didnt check when I had it |
| 15:40.56 | MohammadAG | Lemme check |
| 15:41.14 | HtheB | thnx! |
| 15:42.51 | MohammadAG | Apparently no it can't |
| 15:43.00 | MohammadAG | It doesn't even include mbanner |
| 15:43.17 | MohammadAG | HtheB: Just a hint, afaik it's the status menu capturing the keys |
| 15:43.39 | MohammadAG | And afaik that's open source, so you can check if it's possible to hook onto them |
| 15:44.16 | HtheB | donno where to look at (that is the prob) |
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| 15:45.22 | HtheB | sometimes things are easy to change (like changing the sensitivity settings) |
| 15:45.35 | HtheB | but only when you know where the thing is located at |
| 15:46.30 | MohammadAG | Hmm, the volume applets are closed |
| 15:47.43 | HtheB | :/ |
| 15:51.04 | HtheB | So we can't do anything about this problem at all? :( |
| 15:54.18 | MohammadAG | I can't know till I have a device |
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| 15:57.15 | HtheB | MohammadAG: How come you dont have one? :O |
| 15:57.33 | MohammadAG | I sent mine back to be replaced |
| 15:57.38 | HtheB | ah |
| 15:57.40 | HtheB | that explains |
| 15:57.40 | MohammadAG | Replacement is |
| 15:57.50 | MohammadAG | ~Israel-sucks |
| 15:57.50 | infobot | somebody said israel-sucks was http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A |
| 15:57.59 | HtheB | lol |
| 15:58.26 | HtheB | :/ |
| 15:58.27 | HtheB | whatthe!? |
| 15:58.45 | HtheB | what the hell is a clearence delay !? |
| 15:58.56 | MohammadAG | Customs |
| 15:58.58 | HtheB | Clearance delay* |
| 15:59.04 | MohammadAG | And sec |
| 15:59.23 | HtheB | why so long!? |
| 15:59.32 | HtheB | =_= |
| 15:59.44 | HtheB | it's over a month now! |
| 16:01.07 | MohammadAG | Got this email from them http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=RT7Hrdkt |
| 16:01.16 | MohammadAG | That's like a week ago |
| 16:01.30 | MohammadAG | I replied and told them to send the device back |
| 16:01.45 | MohammadAG | So I told Nokia to claim it back |
| 16:02.03 | HtheB | no reply back whatsoever? |
| 16:02.14 | MohammadAG | So they shipped me another device while they get this one back |
| 16:02.20 | HtheB | ah |
| 16:02.30 | HtheB | 950? |
| 16:02.43 | MohammadAG | Shipment picked up just now |
| 16:02.46 | MohammadAG | Yeah |
| 16:02.50 | HtheB | nice |
| 16:02.55 | HtheB | wish I had a n950 |
| 16:03.59 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you got one finally? |
| 16:04.13 | MohammadAG | No |
| 16:04.29 | hiemanshu | ah picked up from nokia now |
| 16:04.35 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu: Take 2 http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=5314966720%0D%0A |
| 16:08.15 | HtheB | heh :D |
| 16:08.22 | HtheB | coincidense? |
| 16:08.34 | HtheB | it's been picked up just a few minutes ago |
| 16:09.08 | dm8tbr | Hq`: small bug if yyou change fontsze that gets saved over app restat and breaks e.g. irssi rendering |
| 16:10.08 | MohammadAG | HtheB: They just sent it |
| 16:10.30 | HtheB | :D |
| 16:10.37 | HtheB | I'm happy for you! |
| 16:10.50 | HtheB | Why don't they hire you? |
| 16:11.18 | MohammadAG | Why would they |
| 16:11.25 | HtheB | well... |
| 16:11.42 | MohammadAG | I caused headaches for them :p |
| 16:11.47 | HtheB | You're a boss :D |
| 16:12.03 | HtheB | MAG for president! |
| 16:12.15 | MohammadAG | I hate politics |
| 16:12.32 | MohammadAG | If anything I'd just shut down the white house |
| 16:12.51 | HtheB | why do people always think about the white house |
| 16:12.58 | HtheB | when I just say president :D |
| 16:13.06 | MohammadAG | Cause it's white and cute |
| 16:13.08 | HtheB | Turkey also has a president |
| 16:13.10 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 16:13.12 | HtheB | ahhaha |
| 16:13.17 | HtheB | :D |
| 16:13.47 | DocScrutinizer | ohyeah, mohammad for Turkey president |
| 16:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | I see that happen |
| 16:14.25 | MohammadAG | Meanwhile, turkey buys Nokia and fires slop |
| 16:14.31 | MohammadAG | That might be useful |
| 16:14.40 | MohammadAG | Elop |
| 16:14.40 | HtheB | <3 |
| 16:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | btw the Turkish president never got elected by acclamation :-P |
| 16:15.45 | HtheB | the Turkish prime minister does |
| 16:15.53 | HtheB | Erdogan <3 |
| 16:17.45 | HtheB | MohammadAG: well, the shares of Nokia are so low at the moment... |
| 16:18.15 | HtheB | But then again, I think Microsoft will be the new owner of Nokia (Mobile devision) |
| 16:18.29 | HtheB | Just like google did with Motorola |
| 16:18.59 | hiemanshu | interesting in mouse area onDoubleClicked activates with onClicked as well :/ |
| 16:26.23 | matrixx | X-Fade: ping |
| 16:27.03 | matrixx | X-Fade: I'm trying to "community QA" some apps in apps.formeego.org, but pressing the community QA buttons gives me 502 Bad Gateway |
| 16:27.14 | matrixx | *button |
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| 16:28.51 | merlin1991 | what is the sanest way to have a settings applet in control panel (libduicontrolpanel) and still have notifications about setting changes in your application? |
| 16:29.17 | merlin1991 | I went for a gconf based settings system for now since in theory it should allow me todo what I just said |
| 16:29.43 | merlin1991 | but since it's an all qt application I wonder if there is a more qtish way to achieve what I want |
| 16:31.23 | radiofree | merlin1991: libgq-gconf ;) |
| 16:31.45 | thp | merlin1991: working on something nice? |
| 16:31.48 | merlin1991 | radiofree: you don't want to see what I did to libgq-gconf |
| 16:32.05 | merlin1991 | and gconf isn't exactly the qt way of doing settings :D |
| 16:32.22 | merlin1991 | thp: yep quassel made a big step forward on the sprint |
| 16:32.27 | radiofree | its the harmattan way though? |
| 16:32.33 | merlin1991 | 100% curtesy of Sput though |
| 16:32.40 | MohammadAG | The qt way is this |
| 16:32.43 | merlin1991 | radiofree: I don't know that, thus I'm askin |
| 16:33.13 | MohammadAG | QSettings + QFileSystemWatcher to monitor changes |
| 16:33.29 | MohammadAG | Theres also someting called don't on Meego |
| 16:33.35 | merlin1991 | I just spent 2 days chageing the settings backend to gconf |
| 16:33.37 | MohammadAG | dconf |
| 16:33.45 | thp | merlin1991: cool :) screenshots? |
| 16:34.09 | merlin1991 | will do some when I got the settings applet done :) |
| 16:35.00 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I'm not so sure how QFileSystemWatcher is in terms of efficency |
| 16:35.43 | MohammadAG | merlin1991: It uses iowatch or whatever its called afaik |
| 16:36.00 | MohammadAG | A Linux kernel thing, doesnt work on virtual files for example |
| 16:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | let me guess - qfilesystemwatcher never heard of inotify and rather is using a timer to poll every 500mS? |
| 16:36.08 | MohammadAG | ionotify? |
| 16:36.16 | MohammadAG | Yeah, inotify |
| 16:36.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer: Qt is sane, the devs are sane |
| 16:36.31 | MohammadAG | Qt mobility on the other hand... |
| 16:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | aaah yeah, sorry |
| 16:37.13 | merlin1991 | according to http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Essential_concepts_for_Harmattan_developers_Data_storage.html |
| 16:37.32 | merlin1991 | I'm stuck with GConf if I do a declarative applet |
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| 16:48.44 | faenil | MohammadAG: you like to play with dbus, do you know how to get antenna signal strenght? |
| 16:51.37 | lardman|lab | faenil: tried a variation of the following?: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_cellular_signal_strength |
| 16:53.48 | faenil | mmm a variation as in? |
| 16:54.00 | lardman|lab | see if that one works first of all... |
| 16:54.12 | faenil | typing :P |
| 16:54.33 | lardman|lab | also, you should iirc be able to query that component to see what methods it supports, can't remember how mind you |
| 16:55.08 | faenil | antenna performance :D try with and without aluminium backplate, coz n950 is unusable here |
| 16:55.13 | faenil | too weak |
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| 17:00.35 | faenil | lardman|lab : ServiceUnknown |
| 17:00.53 | lardman|lab | ok, well it would have been too easy |
| 17:01.58 | faenil | :D |
| 17:02.28 | lardman|lab | I wonder whether just recording dbus messages as the signal strength varies would receive the dbus message in question, assuming it is provided by dbus that is |
| 17:03.34 | faenil | yeah...any shortcut to record? |
| 17:03.53 | faenil | dbus-monitor? |
| 17:04.28 | lardman|lab | yeah, though I'm not an expert |
| 17:04.35 | faenil | ok |
| 17:11.02 | frinring | Hi! |
| 17:11.30 | frinring | just got my first N9 \o/ But: |
| 17:12.03 | frinring | had it broken after a few minutes, due to first updating the apps, only then updating the whole system to pr 1.1 |
| 17:12.17 | frinring | any can tell me how to fix this? :/ |
| 17:12.32 | rm_work | you should be able to reflash the device? |
| 17:12.36 | rm_work | basically factory reset / wipe |
| 17:13.04 | rm_work | IE, plug it in with USB and run the flash utility on your computer |
| 17:13.22 | rm_work | though I don't know about the availability of flash images for the N9 |
| 17:13.29 | rm_work | the N950 has some available, but... N9 may not |
| 17:14.13 | nid0 | the images are available fine from navifirm |
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| 17:16.40 | frinring | nid0: is navifirm some official tool? and what about an official flasher? so far I always read that these things are hacks. and I do not really want to enable dev mode or similar :( |
| 17:17.12 | jonni | navifirm is 3rd party, but it downloads images from nokia servers. official one is NSU and pc suite. |
| 17:17.27 | nid0 | navifirm is an unofficial tool, but it just downloads the firmware from nokia |
| 17:17.28 | frinring | rm_work: yes, no problem for me at work, do that all the time. but this is a non-dev device I do not want to screw :) |
| 17:17.36 | nid0 | the flasher to flash the firmware is official though |
| 17:17.50 | frinring | nid0: for the n9? |
| 17:18.07 | nid0 | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 17:18.19 | nid0 | flasher v 3.12.1 is the n9 flasher |
| 17:18.22 | rm_work | frinring: well you said you just got it, so i figured you couldn't have too much on it already and a flash wouldn't hurt |
| 17:19.18 | frinring | rm_work: I am afraid to screw it with regard to guarantee and such stuff |
| 17:19.29 | rm_work | lol |
| 17:19.31 | nid0 | reflashing the device doesnt hurt your warranty |
| 17:19.32 | rm_work | wait did you BUY it? |
| 17:19.36 | rm_work | officially buy it? |
| 17:19.39 | frinring | rm_work: yes |
| 17:19.43 | rm_work | i didn't think they were on sale yet O_o |
| 17:19.47 | rm_work | when did that happen |
| 17:19.53 | frinring | N9 |
| 17:19.53 | nid0 | months ago? |
| 17:19.57 | rm_work | N9?! |
| 17:20.05 | rm_work | when? |
| 17:20.09 | Stskeeps | yes, months ago |
| 17:20.15 | Stskeeps | just not in US :P |
| 17:20.18 | rm_work | I thought the official product release was December |
| 17:20.20 | nid0 | months ago, albeit in limited countries |
| 17:20.36 | rm_work | i mean, it was only a couple of months ago that they even officially said they weren't going to release it in the US/UK |
| 17:20.44 | rm_work | right? |
| 17:20.55 | nid0 | but in the usa for example, expansys have had them for a while, and amazon has them through various sellers (but in some cases fulfilling them themselves) |
| 17:20.57 | rm_work | or did i lose like 3-4 months of time somewhere |
| 17:21.08 | nid0 | I think so |
| 17:21.19 | rm_work | wow. |
| 17:21.28 | nid0 | where are you exactly |
| 17:21.44 | frinring | nid0: thanks for the link |
| 17:22.36 | rm_work | i really want to see one in person |
| 17:22.37 | rm_work | >_> |
| 17:23.03 | rm_work | though I would not be happy without the keyboard from the N950 anyway :( |
| 17:23.13 | nid0 | so did I till mine arrived \o/ |
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| 17:24.07 | nid0 | tbh, im missing the hwkb less than I thought I would. admittedly I got weaned away from hwkb-ness by the n900's hwkb being shite, but swype on the n9 really makes the vkb a lot less problematic |
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| 17:34.04 | rm_work | I liked the N900's keyboard after a few weeks of getting used to it :P |
| 17:35.42 | jreznik | rm_work: 1000000 times better than n950 keyboard, I'm not a big fan of vkb but I feel harmattan vkb is fat better than n950 hw one, so I did not use it... but still n9 miss hw keyboard |
| 17:36.16 | Chaz6 | Weird, I much prefer the n950 keyboard to the n900 :) |
| 17:38.11 | jreznik | I was really fast from day one on n900, on n950 I'm faster with vkb :D feels like toy |
| 17:40.06 | rm_work | lol i got used to n950 keyboard a lot faster than i got used to the n900 keyboard |
| 17:41.28 | nibbler | rm_work: yeah. 3 rows vs. 4 rows. |
| 17:41.34 | faenil | lardman|lab : after some research, I guess it's not a dbus api :( |
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| 17:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | xterm, less, vkbd: a dream^Hnightmare team |
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| 18:35.48 | gri | faenil: found something |
| 18:36.24 | faenil | gri: oh did you? |
| 18:36.29 | faenil | I have only a few mins :) |
| 18:36.29 | gri | faenil: http://pastebin.com/w1zLH7L3 |
| 18:36.54 | faenil | mmmmm _D |
| 18:36.56 | gri | Internet.SignalStrength atleast sounds like something you're looking for |
| 18:37.10 | faenil | but that's wifi's one...isnt it? |
| 18:37.18 | gri | no idea, could be |
| 18:37.22 | faenil | internet... |
| 18:37.27 | gri | I also take a look at the oter files, moment |
| 18:37.54 | gri | "Cellular.SignalStrength |
| 18:37.56 | gri | better? :D |
| 18:38.32 | faenil | definitely :D |
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| 18:39.18 | gri | so it's about 3 lines of code to get the signal strength |
| 18:40.40 | faenil | dbus-send? |
| 18:41.02 | faenil | service and path of that cellular.signalstrenght? |
| 18:41.19 | gri | no |
| 18:41.20 | gri | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/showdoc.php?pkn=libcontextsubscriber&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9saWJjb250ZXh0c3Vic2NyaWJlcg%3D%3D |
| 18:41.42 | gri | like the two lines of the first example code |
| 18:42.15 | faenil | can't do that with dbus-send --print-reply? |
| 18:42.42 | gri | I have no idea |
| 18:43.08 | faenil | can I know the file in which you found that string? :) |
| 18:43.34 | gri | well, contextkit providers are not dbus services |
| 18:43.53 | faenil | mmm but there are contextkit dbus messages.. |
| 18:43.56 | gri | the file was /usr/share/contextkit/providers/com.nokia.csd.CSNet.context |
| 18:45.04 | faenil | ok thanks... |
| 18:45.08 | faenil | need to go now |
| 18:45.21 | faenil | I'll look into it later or tomorrow, bye people :) thanks gri |
| 18:45.31 | gri | bye, have fun :) |
| 18:48.43 | KRF | are there any plans to release nokia maps suite for harmattan? any insiders? ;) |
| 18:50.05 | KRF | functionality in nokia drive seems quite limited - doesn't even show ETA. |
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| 18:51.46 | SpeedEvil | np: BlackBox Recorder - The Art of Driving. |
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| 19:10.32 | Jare_ | duh, everything works, but my sip service complains about network error when the openvpn tunnel is up. Wtf they have broken in it :/ |
| 19:11.32 | Jare_ | web browser etc have no problem accessing stuff through the tunnel |
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| 19:26.52 | Jare_ | hmm, it sends packets out from the tun0 interface, but for some reason those packets have the current public ip address as source address and not the ip of tun0 interface |
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| 19:44.49 | npm | Does Ovi accept applications implementing a password-protected webserver (i.e the app provides/needs webservice at port 80/444) and does the N9/N950 platform have any limitations preventing such feature? |
| 19:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | should, shouldn't |
| 19:45.37 | npm | wants to add external access to platform notes/transcriptions for http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/ |
| 19:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | wait, the app *provides* webservice? nah :-/ |
| 19:46.10 | npm | so i figured the app could put up a web-page and then you could just browse it off your desktop |
| 19:46.31 | npm | web-page or feed. |
| 19:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | not at all sure abut policy regarding that |
| 19:46.58 | DocScrutinizer | port 80 as 444 are "privileged" |
| 19:47.06 | npm | true |
| 19:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | I bet you can't do that as user |
| 19:47.14 | npm | so some over 1000 port then |
| 19:47.21 | DocScrutinizer | yup, if at all |
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| 19:47.27 | npm | but then would that be blocked by a firewall? |
| 19:47.51 | DocScrutinizer | sure, if there is any, it should block such stuff |
| 19:48.17 | npm | any other apps on harmattan try to do such foolishness? |
| 19:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | sshd ;-D |
| 19:48.57 | npm | i was thinking of that, but don't ovi store apps require not being in developer mode/ |
| 19:49.12 | npm | i guess it could be a feature you could enable by being in developer mode |
| 19:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | just saying it's also a server |
| 19:49.48 | DocScrutinizer | sure you could forward ports via ssh |
| 19:49.52 | npm | not only a server, but secure. All you'd need is... |
| 19:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | clumsy but should work |
| 19:50.04 | npm | you took the words right out of my fingermouths |
| 19:50.36 | npm | sounds like a feature that exceeded most people's level of dorkdrom |
| 19:50.40 | npm | s/dorkdom |
| 19:51.32 | DocScrutinizer | isn't there netcat available on HARM (devel tool), so you could easily test, also vis e.g port 8088 or sth |
| 19:53.00 | DocScrutinizer | or socat |
| 19:53.04 | DocScrutinizer | whatever |
| 19:53.22 | npm | yeap... but the feature starts becoming unappetizing if it requires too much stuff for the end user to setup |
| 19:54.00 | npm | whereas point your web browser at your n9's address on your home network is pretty easy |
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| 19:55.01 | npm | interesting thing is that I got VoiceToGoog running quite nice on my destop, and rejiggered all the external launchers to do useful things on the desktop instead... |
| 19:55.28 | npm | alternative is to just have a "remote" mode for the desktop version that browses your n9's data |
| 19:56.16 | npm | and lets you playlist and audio-tour what you captured during the day on your desktop or laptop |
| 19:58.55 | npm | i was thinking about an "evernote" version but the privacy-violating possibilities are truly zuckerbergian |
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| 20:01.00 | npm | oh ... see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4859 ... VoiceToGoog 0.2.2 is now available in China (no longer blocked due to YouTube access) |
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| 20:29.57 | macmaN | Jare_: sup. hows it working so far? sip is the only thing non-functional? |
| 20:30.46 | Jare_ | sip was nearly the only thing why i was so keen to do those scripts :B |
| 20:31.50 | Jare_ | but it seems to be working quite nicely, haven't found any clear bugs yet |
| 20:39.18 | macmaN | ive been thinking about starting a qt openvpn gui project |
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| 22:01.38 | faenil | :D |
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| 23:09.20 | unreal- | i can't get over it how totally amazing the jack audio output of the n9 is... |
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| 23:38.33 | gabriel9 | hallo |
| 23:40.05 | gabriel9 | i woder is there themes for N9 |
| 23:40.10 | gabriel9 | iwonder * |
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