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| 03:54.57 | SpeedEvil | I have mislaid my n950. It's got ssh, but no cell signal, so I can't ring it. How do I make it play a wav. |
| 03:55.17 | SpeedEvil | ah - aplay |
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| 04:19.21 | iekku | morning |
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| 05:44.37 | dm8tbr | moanin |
| 05:45.38 | dm8tbr | FFS yeah! finally figured out that python crap for my liveview. Now if I can get proof of concept by connectin that to my N950... |
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| 06:29.22 | djszapi | dm8tbr: :) |
| 06:31.17 | dm8tbr | there is one thin where the liveview firmware is a bit dumb, it just connects to the first available rfcomm on the device, so let's hope I can bind to one that shows up early enough |
| 06:31.36 | dm8tbr | because if I can't figure that out it's probably game over |
| 06:39.36 | Corsac | what's liveview? |
| 06:41.07 | dm8tbr | http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/liveviewmicrodisplay?cc=fi&lc=fi#layerid=liveview |
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| 06:41.25 | dm8tbr | bt connected display/feedback object |
| 06:41.30 | dm8tbr | aka smart watch |
| 06:41.50 | dm8tbr | wants to hook it up to javispedro's sowatch |
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| 09:35.14 | Andrioid | Does anyone know if it's possible to get replies/dms from Twitter as notifications on the home screen? If not, I'm considering how I can access the Twitter data to implement it myself |
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| 10:31.03 | Andrioid | Is the PR 1.1 code available somewhere? |
| 10:33.18 | petteri | anything especial you are looking for? |
| 10:34.46 | Andrioid | The Twitter application the Nokia N9 ships with |
| 10:35.51 | petteri | i think the default nokia applications are not opensource |
| 10:36.03 | Andrioid | I want to find the data store for the Twitter feed and implement push notifications, having the source code would make that easier |
| 10:36.45 | Andrioid | This is the only thing I dislike about my new phone, not knowing when I get replies and dm's on Twitter :) |
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| 10:37.56 | petteri | here are some of the repos nokia is using: http://meego.gitorious.org/ , but as I said, I think the twitter app is not opensource |
| 10:38.27 | Andrioid | ok, thanks |
| 10:41.13 | Andrioid | shame, can't find it... maybe I can just access the cache files instead - oh well |
| 10:42.13 | petteri | running "find .|grep -i twitter" at the home directory show some twitter database files |
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| 11:00.17 | Andrioid | afaikt, only cache and mobile twitter local storage (from the browser) |
| 11:01.35 | Andrioid | putting it on ice, should be focusing on my report anyways... thanks petteri |
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| 11:05.29 | lardman | hmm, Windows OCF can't find device either |
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| 11:07.53 | dm8tbr | does a little dance |
| 11:08.22 | dm8tbr | LiveView working with proof of concept code on N950 |
| 11:08.42 | lardman | what's LiveView? |
| 11:08.44 | dm8tbr | now I'll need to slowly work my way into SOWatch |
| 11:09.33 | lardman | waits for Linux OCF to download for his last attempt using an Ubuntu machine |
| 11:09.38 | dm8tbr | http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/liveviewmicrodisplay?cc=us&lc=en#layerid=liveview |
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| 11:10.21 | lardman | ah right, thought I'd heard of that |
| 11:11.07 | dm8tbr | is all 'WOOOOOO STRIKE FINALLLLLY' right now :D |
| 11:11.19 | dm8tbr | took me long enough to figure this out |
| 11:11.22 | lardman | dm8tbr: is there a page explaining the underlying hw & sw anywhere? |
| 11:11.45 | dm8tbr | yes |
| 11:11.48 | Arkenoi | cannot get rid of strange impression that harmattan is "step back" from frematnle, from "just old good linux with nice mobile UI" to "some creepy embedded stuff where nothing works as expected" like Android |
| 11:11.50 | dm8tbr | let me get you that |
| 11:11.52 | Andrioid | specification tab is blank on Sony's page, what a surprise :P |
| 11:11.58 | lardman | dm8tbr: thanks |
| 11:12.16 | dm8tbr | http://adq.livejournal.com/111356.html |
| 11:12.26 | dm8tbr | http://adq.livejournal.com/111463.html |
| 11:12.34 | Arkenoi | changes are subtle but the result is still like that |
| 11:12.48 | dm8tbr | http://code.google.com/p/adqmisc/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fliveview |
| 11:13.01 | dm8tbr | that's the code I just quickly tried on my N950 |
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| 11:14.47 | petteri | so next we need some nice liveview client on the linux desktop, eh :) |
| 11:15.28 | Andrioid | still not clear on what LiveView is, it's a watch with a screen and bluetooth? |
| 11:17.00 | lardman | dm8tbr: cool, thanks |
| 11:17.01 | Arkenoi | has a watch with screen and bluetooth, but no one managed to build Nucleus based firmwares so far so it is just a useless toy |
| 11:17.18 | lardman | Andrioid: agreed, cool to hack, but does it have a use? |
| 11:17.29 | Arkenoi | i think there should be some kind of linux for mediatek, but again, no one built a working firmware |
| 11:19.06 | Andrioid | lardman: it seems like notification window for people that are too lazy to look at their phone - and to change songs. I was hoping for something like a pulse meter and acceleratometer |
| 11:19.16 | lardman | not sure the sales pitch of a phone remote control really has much use |
| 11:19.31 | Andrioid | It's 2011, if i'm going to keep a huge gadget on my rist, I'd like it to do stuff too :) |
| 11:19.35 | lardman | if it were a watch that would be more interesting |
| 11:19.42 | lardman | yeah sure |
| 11:20.44 | Andrioid | dm8tbr: not to belittle your work, hacking on new gadgets is always cool :) |
| 11:21.35 | lardman | does it actually come with a wrist strap? |
| 11:21.46 | Arkenoi | Andrioid, btw mediatek one has gsm module in it as well! |
| 11:22.48 | Andrioid | Dick Tracy, calling base, Dick Tracy calling base! |
| 11:24.48 | dm8tbr | Andrioid: I think it does have some raison d'etre actually. wrist attached object is way easier to accesss and way less intrusive than getting out your phone |
| 11:25.53 | lardman | yay! OCF found phone on my netbook |
| 11:25.57 | Andrioid | true, and I would love a wrist gadget that could serve a window to the Internet, a phone and a heart-rate meter. Honestly, I'm having problems finding pockets for the things I carry around already :) |
| 11:26.43 | lardman | if it were small and fashionable enough to look like a watch, but with the ability for remote devices to talk to it, that would be useful |
| 11:26.46 | Andrioid | Just saying, a wrist-gadget like this would have to be able to replace my phone for everything except browsing |
| 11:26.54 | lardman | even without accelerometer and heart-rate, etc |
| 11:27.21 | Andrioid | lardman: sure, not everybody needs that - make it a pro version |
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| 11:29.18 | Arkenoi | metawatch is nice, though being amazingly "low-tech" |
| 11:30.00 | lardman | Arkenoi: yep, that's what I was thinking of |
| 11:30.20 | Andrioid | This looks quite cool: http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/MOTOACTV/MOTOACTV/MOTOACTV-US-EN |
| 11:30.51 | lardman | ouch @ price |
| 11:30.59 | Arkenoi | Andrioid, this one gave me impression of too "multimedia-focused" |
| 11:31.12 | Arkenoi | don't really need all that fancy things |
| 11:31.30 | Andrioid | yeah, the good news it that these watches are incoming - we might have to wait a few years for them to get it right :) |
| 11:31.51 | Arkenoi | (having highres well-backlit transreflective screen would be nice though) |
| 11:32.06 | Arkenoi | wants a decent HMD as well |
| 11:32.53 | Arkenoi | unfortunately for 25 years of development it did never actually hit the consumer market |
| 11:33.11 | Andrioid | that analog metawatch looks "classy" and fulfills some geeky needs as well |
| 11:33.16 | Arkenoi | "video glasses for movies" do not count |
| 11:33.37 | Arkenoi | analog screen is too small, i bought digital |
| 11:34.06 | Andrioid | too geeky imo, not the display - just the blocky design |
| 11:36.23 | Arkenoi | well, i used to wear cect w600, and even casio wqv series before, (not to mention old LED watches, including binary and Twelve 5-9 series) so nothing is "too geeky" after that :-)) |
| 11:36.41 | Andrioid | Downsides of having a girlfriend - she wants to have a say in what I wear in public. So I have to pick the gadgets carefully :) |
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| 11:37.58 | Andrioid | Used to have a Casio Calculator Watch, loved that thing. Since it broke I haven't really carried once since |
| 11:38.02 | Arkenoi | just does not care. So I can happily bring my umbrella with katana handle and stuff like that to work and no one will object :-) |
| 11:38.20 | Andrioid | hehe |
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| 11:46.03 | lardman | has seen sword-sticks but never a sword umbrella |
| 11:49.14 | Arkenoi | http://cs551.vkontakte.ru/u1304236/28478975/x_2f2cde99.jpg |
| 11:49.33 | Arkenoi | http://cs551.vkontakte.ru/u1304236/28478975/x_3411e089.jpg |
| 11:50.20 | lardman | where did the rest of it go? |
| 11:50.36 | lardman | the sharp bit ;) |
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| 12:14.47 | djszapi | aheinecke: http://community.kde.org/KDE_Mobile/Harmattan -> I added more documentation |
| 12:15.19 | djszapi | aheinecke: can we ask the help of the kde doc team for formatting and other issue ? Like this, https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-doc-english |
| 12:16.07 | aheinecke | djszapi: cool, i would put your packaging example as a main menu point, and improve the formatting a bit |
| 12:16.19 | aheinecke | s/would/will |
| 12:16.51 | djszapi | I requested a KDE Harmattan repository from kde-sysadmins on Saturday iirc. |
| 12:16.53 | aheinecke | formatting mostly on my part the debian repos in one line are broken ^^ |
| 12:17.03 | djszapi | let us see what they answer. I think bcooksley supported the idea, at least. |
| 12:17.16 | djszapi | They host the KDE Windows packages, too. That is also sort of special sharing |
| 12:17.30 | djszapi | their only restriction is to avoid the "me too" environment. |
| 12:18.10 | aheinecke | yes i can imagine "why not kde-debian then" etc,.. :) |
| 12:18.30 | djszapi | yeah, so they support it in individual cases, only. |
| 12:20.07 | djszapi | aheinecke: it would be nice to if you can at some point build my kdelibs package for localizing the performance issue |
| 12:20.19 | djszapi | or I can also download your version actually. |
| 12:20.37 | lardman | Is it usual to get a "can't set groups" error when doing devel-su on the latest harmattan image? |
| 12:20.49 | djszapi | my friend got the same |
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| 12:26.01 | lardman | hmm, can't seem to ssh into localhost as root either, doesn't accept the password |
| 12:27.11 | djszapi | expected |
| 12:27.18 | lardman | yeah just read that |
| 12:27.24 | lardman | so is there a way of getting root now? |
| 12:27.28 | djszapi | aheinecke: we could probably later add some screenshot, or already running applications, like this: http://kde.garage.maemo.org/screenshots_kdebase.html |
| 12:27.34 | djszapi | lardman: why would you like to become a root ? |
| 12:27.44 | lardman | so I can install some packages |
| 12:28.14 | djszapi | you can install packages as developer |
| 12:28.25 | lardman | I can't devel-su |
| 12:28.40 | djszapi | devel-su would not really mean developer user |
| 12:28.46 | djszapi | UID::root |
| 12:28.46 | djszapi | GRP::root |
| 12:28.46 | djszapi | GID::root |
| 12:28.51 | djszapi | you have these credentials in develsh |
| 12:28.59 | djszapi | try to install package from develsh |
| 12:29.02 | djszapi | you are a developer, not root |
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| 12:29.23 | djszapi | and normal user should not really install things from cli, just by using pkgmgr |
| 12:29.50 | lardman | hmm, I'll certainly try running dpkg from develsh, hang on a tick |
| 12:30.06 | djszapi | I do not know whether it works. |
| 12:30.12 | djszapi | That is what I would try out. |
| 12:30.18 | djszapi | since that sounds logical. |
| 12:30.27 | lardman | no, it doesn't |
| 12:31.00 | lardman | requires superuser privilege |
| 12:31.41 | lardman | developer mode on this device has been nothing but trouble I've got to say, but at least this time it actually succeeded in installing the developer mode packages |
| 12:32.11 | jonni | lardman: if you get cant set groups on devel-su then your ota update has failed |
| 12:32.58 | lardman | jonni: I had to use the OCF as the OTA wouldn't work |
| 12:33.07 | djszapi | lardman: sounds like a bug in the develsh workflow |
| 12:33.34 | djszapi | lardman: I think your develsh is completely broken |
| 12:33.40 | djszapi | can you paste the "accli -I" output ? |
| 12:35.40 | lardman | djszapi: http://pastebin.com/yX69JUTw |
| 12:35.49 | lardman | that's running inside develsh |
| 12:36.00 | jonni | develsh aegis has <deny><credential match="UID::*" /><credential match="GID::*" /></deny> so its a fature by default, you need to run binary that uses setguid to gain root |
| 12:36.03 | djszapi | looks good. The patience at the weekend had a broken develsh too |
| 12:36.45 | djszapi | lardman: I will ask this internally, because I would expect from a developer you can do that. |
| 12:36.55 | lardman | thanks djszapi |
| 12:36.59 | djszapi | should be no need for root. |
| 12:38.25 | djszapi | lardman: so it is a fresh firmware, btw ? |
| 12:38.29 | djszapi | I mean fresh update. |
| 12:38.29 | jonni | lardman: after you manage to get yourself as root you can fix develsh by apt-get --reinstall install develsh |
| 12:38.41 | lardman | djszapi: fresh then restored my backup |
| 12:38.58 | djszapi | lardman: have you tried it with a fresh before doing anything ? |
| 12:39.00 | djszapi | did the update go fine ? |
| 12:39.34 | lardman | update worked fine, though that has also been a pita - didn't work on my OpenSUSE laptop nor my Windows box, finally worked on my Ubuntu netbook |
| 12:39.34 | djszapi | jonni: what do you mean by fix develsh ? |
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| 12:39.44 | Arkenoi | often wishes i could run fremantle on n950, despite broken google sync |
| 12:39.57 | lardman | I could do it again, but as it takes an age I'd like to avoid if possible |
| 12:40.11 | djszapi | yep, understandable. |
| 12:40.21 | jonni | djszapi: reinstalling develsh fixes it (if ota or backup restore has messed up the credentials) |
| 12:40.37 | djszapi | jonni: fixes what ? |
| 12:40.41 | djszapi | the set group issue ? |
| 12:40.44 | jonni | djszapi: I've had few devices with that cant set goup error |
| 12:40.59 | lardman | how can the backup affect permissions on that binary? |
| 12:41.21 | djszapi | lardman: well, it is a general debug approach to confine the environment :) |
| 12:41.29 | lardman | I didn't do any package re-installation that it offered |
| 12:41.44 | djszapi | I do nto think you need to look for an answer there yet |
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| 12:52.59 | djszapi | lardman: what is this OTA update ? |
| 12:53.07 | djszapi | I was aware of the ssu update only. |
| 12:53.31 | lardman | well not OTA as such, updates provided by the package managewr |
| 12:53.43 | lardman | yeah, wrong terminology on my part |
| 12:54.27 | lardman | So I've been unable to update via SSU |
| 12:54.31 | djszapi | why not |
| 12:54.42 | djszapi | cannot it be the problem that failure broke devel-su ? |
| 12:54.50 | lardman | It sits there for a long while and tells me the installation was interrupted iirc |
| 12:55.14 | lardman | no, because I just used the OCF to update as I was hoping to see whether QCamera rotation has been implemented in the update |
| 12:55.46 | djszapi | so after the ssu failure, you grabbed a new fresh firmware, and then OCF (btw, what is this OCD ?) |
| 12:55.52 | djszapi | OFCF* |
| 12:55.57 | lardman | So I did OCF, had to disable then re-enable developer mode, it downloaded the 2.5Mb package and installed it without (apparent) problems |
| 12:55.58 | djszapi | meh...that |
| 12:56.48 | lardman | OCD - obsessive compulsive re-flashing N950 disorder? |
| 12:56.57 | lardman | ;) |
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| 12:57.37 | djszapi | what is OCF ? |
| 12:57.43 | djszapi | what is the difference between OCF and OTA ? |
| 12:58.03 | lardman | The issue with the broken update and broken developer mode (i.e. not being willing to complete) seemed to be related to corrupted package downloads, and without root there was no way to purge the package cache |
| 12:58.11 | lardman | OCF is one click flasher |
| 12:58.23 | lardman | isn't that what it's called? |
| 12:58.23 | djszapi | ahhh that one... |
| 12:58.43 | djszapi | I do not know the abbreviations I use 1-2 times in my life |
| 12:58.44 | djszapi | sorry for that |
| 12:58.51 | lardman | s/OTA/SSU in my previous sentances |
| 12:58.59 | djszapi | is there PR 1.1 iamge available, or you flashed the PR 1.0 ? |
| 12:59.32 | lardman | I flashed http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/ |
| 13:00.12 | djszapi | weird |
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| 13:02.31 | lardman | In any case I wonder if you could ask whoever wrote the package manager to purge the cache of any packages that failed to install, as that seems to be the root of my previous problems |
| 13:02.36 | lardman | no clue what the problem is now |
| 13:02.52 | lardman | wonders about a trip to Nemo-land as he's going to have to try reflashing again anyway |
| 13:03.06 | djszapi | the package manager author is not on the board ;-) |
| 13:03.40 | lardman | -of directors? |
| 13:03.59 | djszapi | of the Harmattan team |
| 13:04.26 | lardman | wanders towards the bug tracker |
| 13:04.33 | lardman | bbl |
| 13:05.15 | jonni | apt-cache clean (but unfortunately you need to be root to run that command) |
| 13:06.16 | djszapi | actually, devel-su should go away |
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| 13:15.44 | macmaN | "should go away" = will be replaced by something better? |
| 13:16.30 | djszapi | "should go" is an opinion on my side. We will not replace anything in this phrase of the product development |
| 13:20.07 | macmaN | but in your mind, why should it go |
| 13:24.51 | djszapi | because it does not make sense to have a separate tool |
| 13:25.03 | lardman|lab | jonni: exactly, but once you're stuck in the situation where the developer packages won't install, there's nothing you can do |
| 13:26.07 | lardman|lab | I did purge the cache for the update, but it didn't seem to do anything useful, perhaps my network connection at home wasn't good enough to get the entire update package *shrug* |
| 13:27.10 | jonni | lardman|lab: actually you can still fix the situation, I've done it few time, it requires a bit of tweaking though: |
| 13:27.32 | lardman|lab | sharpens his pencil ready to take notes |
| 13:31.41 | jonni | lardman|lab: I did following, Section: user/hidden if package is in that section you can use pkgmgr in commandline as user to install it, what I did is just mage aegis.file with <credential match="*" /> and then binary which just uses setuid(0) and opens shell, as developer origin has cap setuid that works |
| 13:32.36 | jonni | and when your root you can just do apt-get --reinstall install busybox-devel-su to fix the problem |
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| 13:32.46 | lardman|lab | ok, sounds like a plan |
| 13:32.52 | lardman|lab | will take a look this evening when I get home |
| 13:32.53 | lardman|lab | tanks |
| 13:32.57 | lardman|lab | thanks even :) |
| 13:33.19 | mike7b4_atwork | Hi what version of Maliit is used in Harmattan ? |
| 13:40.09 | djszapi | depends on the firmware version I guess, but 0.80.8.harmattan1+0m7 here. |
| 13:41.23 | mike7b4_atwork | djszapi, PR1.1 I guess? (Still waiting for PR1.1 :-( |
| 13:48.08 | djszapi | I have not used PR 1.1 like for months |
| 13:53.05 | djszapi | rcg1: I do not like this sshfs workflow |
| 13:53.17 | djszapi | imo, it is too bloated for a non-qt-creator user |
| 13:54.17 | djszapi | and it actually is even a bit outdated, since root ssh does not work anymore, anyways |
| 13:54.33 | rcg1 | djszapi: ic |
| 13:54.50 | rcg1 | well my workflow aint that sophisticated as well :) |
| 13:55.31 | rcg1 | its more like coding in qtsdk using either desktop qml stuff or emulator and only try very few times on device |
| 13:55.41 | mike7b4_atwork | djszapi, well we endusers are alot after in versionnumbers then ;) (personally I sick of waiting for PR1.1 :-/ seems my PR1.0 is using old name of libmeegoim* |
| 13:58.19 | djszapi | rcg1: well, gluon builds for 20 minutes in sb. |
| 13:58.37 | djszapi | even if I use some "fakeroot ./debian/rules binary" magic, it is still more than needed. |
| 13:58.48 | djszapi | yes, it works for miniature projects. |
| 14:00.27 | djszapi | M4rtinK: can you show your device side script for syncing up ? |
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| 14:05.52 | M4rtinK | djszapi: well, I can as well wiki it :) |
| 14:06.01 | rcg1 | djszapi: heh ic ;) |
| 14:06.24 | djszapi | M4rtinK: yes, if you can do it right away...Otherwise please post the command |
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| 14:22.52 | M4rtinK | djszapi: http://wiki.meego.com/RsyncAndRunShellScript#Rsync_.26_run_your_projects_on_the_device_using_a_shell_script |
| 14:23.31 | M4rtinK | I have modified the scripts to be more general purpose |
| 14:24.05 | djszapi | why not "scp" instead of "rsync" ? |
| 14:24.18 | djszapi | like a dedicated qml folder by using "scp -r" ? |
| 14:24.45 | M4rtinK | feel free to fix any errors and make improvements :) |
| 14:25.05 | M4rtinK | rsync only transfers what changed |
| 14:25.20 | djszapi | imo one "scp" command is enough |
| 14:25.44 | M4rtinK | and I use this for syncing modRana, which has about 1-2 MB including various icons, etc. |
| 14:26.10 | djszapi | you design icons ? |
| 14:26.13 | M4rtinK | and the sync is almost instant + I have the exact same files as on my workstation :) |
| 14:26.17 | djszapi | and you need to test it on the device ? |
| 14:26.19 | M4rtinK | for the MAemo version |
| 14:26.23 | djszapi | sorry, but that makes no sense |
| 14:27.27 | dm8tbr | rsync is not scp, those are very very different tools |
| 14:27.48 | djszapi | indeed, and the scp is the good tool for a qml folder imo. |
| 14:27.54 | gri | djszapi: did the accounts thing yourself? |
| 14:28.50 | djszapi | snowpong: do you have a plus ticket for me ? :p (Android Seminar) Would like to follow your talk :) |
| 14:29.50 | M4rtinK | well, for small projects scp might be enough |
| 14:30.03 | djszapi | it is not about project size |
| 14:30.06 | djszapi | it is about testing qmlS |
| 14:30.15 | djszapi | imo, rsync is an overkill for that |
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| 14:30.53 | M4rtinK | well, it very efficiant when doing incremental testing :) |
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| 14:30.59 | M4rtinK | *its |
| 14:31.51 | M4rtinK | but the efficiency might not manifest for typical small projects though |
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| 14:47.47 | Jare_ | all right, i've managed to get rid of the aegis errors, but i'm getting nothing in syslog when those if-up and if-down scripts should run |
| 14:49.39 | djszapi | M4rtinK: in gluon: 98-99% logic 1-2% qml |
| 14:51.31 | M4rtinK | djszapi: in modRana 100% Python logic 0% QML (currently, should change in the future) :) |
| 14:52.27 | M4rtinK | in my manga/comic book viewer, it might be about 80% / 20% |
| 14:52.50 | M4rtinK | and as I can run Python files without packaging them, its quite handy :) |
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| 14:57.59 | djszapi | M4rtinK: it is not about the executables.. |
| 14:59.48 | M4rtinK | djszapi: Well, I mostly also edit the backend a lot its useful in my case :) |
| 15:00.21 | djszapi | well, the gluon backend has been quite reliable for a while |
| 15:00.26 | djszapi | it is really just about porting the Ui |
| 15:05.39 | macmaN | Jare_: hi there. ok so network script triggering not solved huh :< |
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| 15:08.40 | Jare_ | yup, i've now tried something simple like: http://pastebin.com/bykp5G7N. Still nothing in syslog and the program is definitely not started. Works great if you run it manually from the shell though... |
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| 15:21.21 | djszapi | rcg1: do you pass the qml file explicitely with a command line option or how ? |
| 15:22.33 | rcg1 | djszapi: i have the main qml file hardcoded in my void main(..){} and then reference all the other qml stuff only from within qml |
| 15:24.09 | djszapi | rcg1: what is the difference between that and the production usage (resource file) apart from the encapsulation, so the qml code-wise ? |
| 15:24.49 | gri | djszapi: Using resources has one disadvantage |
| 15:24.58 | rcg1 | afaik there is no difference |
| 15:25.26 | gri | import "/usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/meego/UIConstants.js" as UIConstants << can't be used when the qml doing this is inside a resource file |
| 15:25.29 | djszapi | rcg1: so I just reference to component names from the main.qml file and then later as well in embedded qml files, right ? |
| 15:26.27 | rcg1 | djszapi: that's what i did |
| 15:26.55 | rcg1 | but i think gri has also a valid point there.. though i must admit i never used that ;) |
| 15:27.36 | gri | rcg1: If you want to use system font sizes, colors or margins I found no other way than doing that |
| 15:29.44 | rcg1 | gri: ah, ic.. didn't know that yet.. sounds pretty useful :) |
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| 15:36.06 | djszapi | rcg1: so all I need is to comment the qml file entries out in my resource file and done ? |
| 15:42.36 | spenap | gri, that import works for me when using the "file://" scheme |
| 15:42.53 | spenap | so it would be import "file:///usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/meego/UIConstants.js" as UIConstants |
| 15:42.57 | gri | spenap: Ah ok I did not try that |
| 15:43.11 | spenap | anyway, from now on, I'm more into manually copying the properties I'm using :-/ |
| 15:43.14 | gri | it would me much better if it worked without the absolute path .. |
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| 15:45.14 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: so why should I buy a metawatch? :P |
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| 16:04.34 | hiemanshu | how do you use the dark theme in QML (like the one in music/gallery app) |
| 16:05.11 | djszapi | invert |
| 16:05.18 | hiemanshu | yeah, how? |
| 16:06.07 | djszapi | theme.inverted = true; |
| 16:06.20 | hiemanshu | ah thanks |
| 16:08.22 | spenap | hiemanshu, you'll need to set it onComponent.Completed { |
| 16:08.31 | spenap | well |
| 16:08.36 | spenap | not written that way :) |
| 16:08.42 | hiemanshu | you mean Component.onCompleted :P |
| 16:08.45 | spenap | yes :D |
| 16:09.04 | hiemanshu | yeah I found that when it didn't work the first time :P |
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| 16:50.51 | djszapi | rcg1: so this is where you hard core the absolute path ? setSource( QUrl( "qrc:/main.qml" ) ); |
| 16:51.33 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, yes, yes, yes. Emphatically yes! |
| 16:51.56 | rm_work | I said "why" :P |
| 16:52.06 | GeneralAntilles | Because it's awesome? |
| 16:52.10 | rm_work | lol |
| 16:52.14 | GeneralAntilles | Because you can have your phone on silent all the time |
| 16:52.20 | GeneralAntilles | You can check your messages from your wrist |
| 16:52.25 | rm_work | lol |
| 16:52.26 | GeneralAntilles | Don't need to take it out to see who's calling. |
| 16:52.35 | rm_work | so you have it working with N950? |
| 16:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | Plus you can do all sorts of interesting little applications. |
| 16:52.41 | rm_work | can check SMS from it? |
| 16:52.42 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro got it working |
| 16:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | In the three weeks it took me to get mine after he get his, he put together sowatch. |
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| 16:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | moos at GeneralAntilles |
| 16:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | waves. |
| 16:53.16 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, you can do whatever you want. |
| 16:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, almost all of the logic runs on the phone |
| 16:53.37 | rm_work | i mean, it works tho? already can check SMS from the watch? |
| 16:53.37 | GeneralAntilles | and you can put together what Javier has coined as "watchlets" in QML. |
| 16:54.09 | GeneralAntilles | It gives notifications when things are incoming |
| 16:54.16 | rm_work | yeah i remember you guys talking about it... you got it set up where you can literally just directly control the framebuffer to shove stuff to it from the phone? |
| 16:54.21 | GeneralAntilles | There's also a history watchlet javispedro put together which kind of works. |
| 16:54.27 | GeneralAntilles | Should be straightforward to make it work well. |
| 16:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that's basically how the watch works. |
| 16:55.02 | GeneralAntilles | The idle/watch screen is built by the watch |
| 16:55.07 | GeneralAntilles | anything else is shoved from the phone. |
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| 17:03.08 | dm8tbr | rm_work: the alternative is live-view or also inpulse. I got the liveview working today with PoC code |
| 17:03.08 | rm_work | i mean, is that how it works with Android too? |
| 17:03.24 | rm_work | or that's just the way we chose to do it, to get QML support |
| 17:03.29 | rm_work | ah |
| 17:03.43 | rm_work | how dows liveview work? |
| 17:03.54 | dm8tbr | liveview has the downside of the display being off unless triggered |
| 17:04.05 | rm_work | triggered physically? |
| 17:04.07 | dm8tbr | but it has oled, which is nice |
| 17:04.20 | dm8tbr | yes, or by remote notification (including also vibra) |
| 17:05.01 | dm8tbr | I'm toying with it. seems like you can do some menu structure and push plain text notifications like text/im/email/rss/foo |
| 17:05.07 | rm_work | dm8tbr: the alternative to what? that method of pushing data to the screen? or an alternative to Metawatch? lol |
| 17:05.29 | dm8tbr | alternative to the MW |
| 17:05.44 | rm_work | ah |
| 17:05.46 | dm8tbr | there are even more |
| 17:05.57 | dm8tbr | there's also some motorola thing |
| 17:06.12 | dm8tbr | and that italian android-on-your-wrist thing |
| 17:06.13 | rm_work | hrm |
| 17:06.20 | rm_work | liveview looks much cheaper |
| 17:06.40 | dm8tbr | yarp, paid 60eur and got it delivered next day :) |
| 17:06.53 | dm8tbr | was nice as MW wasn't shipping for another 3 months |
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| 17:07.50 | rm_work | hrm |
| 17:08.01 | rm_work | i'm very tempted by this, if only because it is SOOOO much cheaper |
| 17:08.04 | dm8tbr | so far I mostly used it as a watch, as I couldn't figure out the python code that someone wrote |
| 17:08.10 | rm_work | and honestly i'd only ever consider it a toy anyway |
| 17:08.26 | dm8tbr | but today I had a breakthrough over breakfast: got it working from my laptop |
| 17:08.31 | rm_work | ah nice |
| 17:08.38 | rm_work | and it's controlled by python code? |
| 17:08.41 | dm8tbr | and in a free minute at work: bading! got it working with my n950 |
| 17:08.54 | rm_work | it's on sale for 25LB |
| 17:08.56 | dm8tbr | I'm going to shove the logic into SOwatch |
| 17:09.43 | dm8tbr | if I can figure out how to wake up the watch and show a notification, that's my first goal. call notify. |
| 17:13.36 | rm_work | hrm |
| 17:13.37 | rm_work | $50 |
| 17:13.38 | rm_work | wow |
| 17:13.44 | rm_work | how does it hold a charge? |
| 17:14.25 | dm8tbr | when I use it without connecting it to a device surprisingly well. never paid attention, but probably about a week |
| 17:14.56 | dm8tbr | if you go berserk and play with it all day, less then a day I'd guess :) |
| 17:15.18 | dm8tbr | also if you use vibra a lot it will eat your battery |
| 17:16.10 | rm_work | lol k |
| 17:16.11 | rm_work | hrm |
| 17:16.15 | rm_work | the display is nice |
| 17:16.16 | rm_work | ? |
| 17:16.21 | rm_work | how about the size/weight? |
| 17:17.03 | dm8tbr | next to nothing :) |
| 17:17.13 | hiemanshu | 20 lines of code to get clicking in Image to zoom in/out, wonder why they didn't add that feature to the Component iteself |
| 17:17.16 | hiemanshu | itself* |
| 17:17.20 | dm8tbr | it's a bit thicker than the average watch though |
| 17:18.01 | rm_work | hrm |
| 17:18.05 | rm_work | well i don't wear a watch |
| 17:18.07 | rm_work | normally |
| 17:18.11 | rm_work | but this looks interesting |
| 17:18.32 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: he may have won with his *striking* argument: "it only costs $50 instead of $200" |
| 17:18.46 | rm_work | what does the metawatch do, that this one doesn't? |
| 17:18.50 | rm_work | anything? >_> |
| 17:19.22 | rm_work | the inpulse is $150 |
| 17:19.28 | rm_work | what does IT have |
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| 17:20.15 | rm_work | dm8tbr / GeneralAntilles: both of these look a lot better than the metawatch, if only because the screen is in color >_> |
| 17:20.39 | dm8tbr | rm_work: well that's the tradeoff |
| 17:20.58 | rm_work | what is |
| 17:21.05 | dm8tbr | rm_work: either you go monochrome lcd or you have to trigger the display manually and get full colour oled |
| 17:21.23 | rm_work | i mean, is that the only difference? |
| 17:21.39 | rm_work | oh, is the metawatch "always-on"? |
| 17:21.55 | dm8tbr | oh and you can't easily run your own code on the liveview. you're fixed to the original framework. |
| 17:22.04 | rm_work | ah |
| 17:22.18 | dm8tbr | yes, it's some new technology LCD with very low power consumption |
| 17:22.45 | dm8tbr | I didn't particularly like the silver/white colour though |
| 17:23.13 | dm8tbr | btw: the analogue metawatch also uses oled, two matrices, monochrome |
| 17:23.49 | rm_work | hrm |
| 17:24.07 | rm_work | dm8tbr: so you have to use the SDK... but i thought the SDK was for android? but you got code working from N950 today? |
| 17:24.30 | dm8tbr | rm_work: forget the android SDK :) |
| 17:24.37 | rm_work | lol |
| 17:24.38 | rm_work | ok |
| 17:24.43 | rm_work | but |
| 17:24.51 | rm_work | <dm8tbr> oh and you can't easily run your own code on the liveview. you're fixed to the original framework. |
| 17:24.57 | dm8tbr | rm_work: still the firmware expects a certain menu structure etc and offers certain option that you _can_ use |
| 17:25.04 | rm_work | ah |
| 17:25.21 | rm_work | I'd like to see some sample code? |
| 17:25.23 | rm_work | if you have some |
| 17:25.31 | dm8tbr | yes, just a sec |
| 17:25.35 | rm_work | and a picture of what it does on the watch maybe? or screenshot |
| 17:25.44 | SpeedEvil | dm8tbr: LCD, not oled |
| 17:26.12 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 17:26.13 | dm8tbr | SpeedEvil: the _analogue_ uses OLED |
| 17:26.14 | SpeedEvil | ignore me |
| 17:26.26 | dm8tbr | rm_work: http://code.google.com/p/adqmisc/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fliveview |
| 17:26.47 | dm8tbr | rm_work: way ahead of you. preparing for a short clip of what the python code does |
| 17:27.08 | rm_work | :P |
| 17:27.12 | rm_work | well, let me know |
| 17:27.36 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, color means shit battery |
| 17:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | It also means the screen isn't always on |
| 17:27.45 | GeneralAntilles | which is really a must-have |
| 17:27.46 | GeneralAntilles | for a watch |
| 17:28.08 | SpeedEvil | Naah |
| 17:28.14 | dm8tbr | works well enough for me. it's a tradeoff, yes |
| 17:28.30 | SpeedEvil | It only needs to be on when it's pointed within 45 degrees of the eyes - say. |
| 17:29.39 | GeneralAntilles | How water-proof is the LiveView? |
| 17:29.55 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, the MetaWatch guys are all about open source |
| 17:30.02 | GeneralAntilles | and there's actually a future with this platform. |
| 17:30.04 | rm_work | hrm |
| 17:30.35 | SpeedEvil | Opensource != future. |
| 17:30.43 | SpeedEvil | It has to be a functional widespread platform. |
| 17:30.57 | GeneralAntilles | Well, they've actually got plans to expand their platform. |
| 17:31.07 | SpeedEvil | For values of widespread that may vary. |
| 17:31.13 | SpeedEvil | See arduino. |
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| 18:01.26 | snowpong | Anyone seen leakage in their apps when closing/opening softwareinputpanel a lot of times? I see that here, and it seems to be related to resizing (caused by SIP) |
| 18:07.56 | dm8tbr | rm_work: http://www.bfst.de/liveview/ -- I'll wrap the videos later today in a blog post or something. |
| 18:08.31 | dm8tbr | 005 shows the liveview, while 001 shows it alongside the debug output of the python script |
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| 18:23.29 | Jare_ | macmaN: victory! Now those ifup/ifdown scripts execute correctly. So just some scripting left to do :) |
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| 18:26.51 | djszapi | Sput merlin1991 what was the name of the place where we were on Saturday evening ? |
| 18:27.55 | Sput | djszapi: B-Lage |
| 18:28.00 | djszapi | thanks. |
| 18:28.03 | Sput | np |
| 18:28.46 | djszapi | I hope I can get the dot story published soonish |
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| 18:39.06 | strannik1 | Hey guys and gals |
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| 18:50.34 | lardman|home | flashed N950 image again, enabled dev mode and can now use devel-su |
| 18:50.44 | lardman|home | now time to try restoring a backup so I can actually call people |
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| 19:05.57 | faenil | hey people :) |
| 19:11.02 | rm_work | dm8tbr: the googlecode link didn't seem to have any... code |
| 19:11.33 | rm_work | dm8tbr: ah nm it just took an hour to actually load |
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| 19:29.38 | rm_work | dm8tbr: wait why does it look monochrome? >_> |
| 19:30.06 | gri | sometimes I hate qml :( |
| 19:30.26 | strannik1 | Ello |
| 19:31.03 | strannik1 | Everybody in the house say whoop whoop |
| 19:31.38 | strannik1 | Nokia engineers are morons!! Has anyone seen the nokia e6?! |
| 19:32.30 | rm_work | i have always had quite a lot of respect for the hardware engineers, and a bit for the software engineers given what they're facing and their available resources.... their MANAGEMENT is fscked tho |
| 19:32.43 | rm_work | then again i have not seen the e6 :P |
| 19:32.57 | deram | sometimes I hate the way UI code must be written "Button* button=new Button();container.append(button)...", th qml seems improvement.. |
| 19:33.05 | strannik1 | They got rid of the left and right soft buttons on the e6!!!!! So many symbian apps need those buttons |
| 19:33.44 | rm_work | err, i thought they got rid of the "symbian" :P |
| 19:33.49 | gri | strannik1: Try to bend the phone left and right, if it does not work ask for warranty :P |
| 19:34.36 | strannik1 | I was looking to get the phone because i reallllly like the e71 and e72 .. But now they got rid of the most important buttons .. Wtf |
| 19:34.46 | rm_work | left and right? |
| 19:34.57 | rm_work | it looks as if there's a center D-pad |
| 19:35.02 | rm_work | it would have left and right, no? |
| 19:35.04 | strannik1 | No wonder everyone hates symbian .. Its the best os in my opinion for phones with small screens imho |
| 19:35.17 | rm_work | or do you mean "locationally" left and right, not functionally |
| 19:35.44 | strannik1 | Rm_work: you know the left and right button to access menu and another option |
| 19:35.56 | strannik1 | Right under the display |
| 19:35.59 | rm_work | rm_work: no, don't know those :/ |
| 19:36.13 | rm_work | I have had: N800, N810, N900, N950 |
| 19:36.23 | rm_work | before that, i had motorola dumbphones |
| 19:37.02 | strannik1 | The left softkey is for the menu |
| 19:37.18 | strannik1 | The right softkey is for camera or anything else you assign it to |
| 19:37.24 | rm_work | ah |
| 19:37.30 | strannik1 | There is also a dedicated menu button on all symbian phones |
| 19:37.43 | strannik1 | But apps use the left key as the menu button |
| 19:38.03 | strannik1 | Because the dedicated key always puts you into the symbian menu |
| 19:38.22 | strannik1 | (in app menu) is the left softkey |
| 19:38.31 | strannik1 | Now that button is gone |
| 19:39.08 | strannik1 | I am typing from my e72 .. And on this irc client if i press the left softkey it brings up things like copy url |
| 19:39.09 | dm8tbr | rm_work: because the default images are not very colourful and I had to screw with the exposure to have the display even remotely visible ;) |
| 19:40.01 | strannik1 | Settings , logging , commands etc are all on the left softkey... Now if you try to run this irc client on the e6 half of the functionallity will be gone |
| 19:40.21 | strannik1 | I really wonder if symbian is being run by morons |
| 19:40.36 | rm_work | dm8tbr: loooool |
| 19:40.42 | rm_work | well THAT is something worth noting |
| 19:40.54 | rm_work | so really, i may as well not have a color screen if i want to be able to read it? :P |
| 19:41.04 | dm8tbr | rm_work: the display colours are actually pretty OLED typical: crisp |
| 19:41.30 | dm8tbr | rm_work: it was too bright for the cam, I set the exposure to -2 |
| 19:41.41 | rm_work | AH |
| 19:41.45 | rm_work | just the camera had problems |
| 19:41.49 | dm8tbr | yes |
| 19:41.54 | rm_work | k lol |
| 19:42.00 | dm8tbr | without the tweaks there were just white blobs |
| 19:42.09 | rm_work | lol |
| 19:42.18 | rm_work | so the problem is a sucky camera, not a sucky LCD screen |
| 19:42.25 | dm8tbr | yes |
| 19:42.49 | rm_work | kk :P |
| 19:43.20 | rm_work | dm8tbr: yeah without context i'm not sure what's going on, will look forward to a blog post or something |
| 19:43.38 | rm_work | the integration with the N950's SMS system is what worries me |
| 19:43.44 | rm_work | not sure how easy it is to get SMS data |
| 19:43.55 | rm_work | maybe it is super simple, i don't know |
| 19:44.06 | dm8tbr | rm_work: probably not at all if you go by capabilities |
| 19:44.23 | dm8tbr | but let's see |
| 19:44.25 | rm_work | ? |
| 19:44.50 | rm_work | probably not at all = probably not easy? |
| 19:44.59 | dm8tbr | I hear windows phone is even worse. you can programmatically send a message, but can not receive the answer :) |
| 19:45.16 | rm_work | well it seems like that could be a security concern |
| 19:45.20 | rm_work | then again, BOTH are |
| 19:45.25 | dm8tbr | yeah |
| 19:45.28 | rm_work | but surveilance seems like the biggest concern |
| 19:45.30 | lardman|home | so I read that one can't ssh in as root, how can one ssh in? As user? If so what's the password? |
| 19:45.30 | dm8tbr | premium numbers and that |
| 19:45.42 | rm_work | they don't want to let it be possible to install something and have it snoop all your texts |
| 19:45.46 | dm8tbr | lardman|home: whatever you feed to passwd? |
| 19:45.56 | rm_work | lardman|home: I ssh as root... |
| 19:46.06 | rm_work | lardman|home: what device are we talking about? |
| 19:46.12 | lardman|home | N950 |
| 19:46.17 | rm_work | I ssh as root.... |
| 19:46.30 | lardman|home | latest sw release doesn't allow that apparently |
| 19:46.33 | rm_work | ah |
| 19:46.36 | rm_work | i haven't updated |
| 19:46.46 | rm_work | i'm still on stock FW |
| 19:46.49 | DocScrutinizer | neither, CBA |
| 19:46.54 | rm_work | how much better does the OS feel now? |
| 19:47.03 | rm_work | are the random little glitches gone mostly? |
| 19:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | glitches like "you can ssh in as root, OMFG!" ? |
| 19:47.46 | faenil | is there any way to check antenna signal power on N950/n9? |
| 19:47.56 | lardman|home | hmm, well I've had to flash it twice with the one click flasher as the first time I couldn't get root, so I've only just done the second one |
| 19:48.00 | faenil | I'd like to compare them, removing the backplate of the n950 |
| 19:48.12 | lardman|home | I see it has a twitter app, signal strength is possibly better |
| 19:49.46 | lardman|home | hmm, so I set user's password with passwd, but connection won't work still |
| 19:49.57 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: or the glitch that there's been a working dmesg? yes all those got fixed ;-D |
| 19:50.06 | lardman|home | Permission denied to be exact |
| 19:50.37 | lardman|home | back to the bad old days of needing to use mass storage mode to copy test code across |
| 19:51.14 | deram | ssh is only allowed from networks considered local |
| 19:51.33 | deram | like 192.168.0.0/16 10.0.0.0/8 etc |
| 19:51.34 | lardman|home | how is that consideration evaluated? |
| 19:51.44 | lardman|home | 192.168.2.X ? |
| 19:51.47 | lardman|home | won't work |
| 19:52.04 | deram | see sshd config in /etc/ssh/.. |
| 19:52.12 | lardman|home | ok |
| 19:52.31 | deram | but hmm.. if you are in "local" net, then it might not be this.. |
| 19:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if you may edit /etc/ssh/* |
| 19:53.03 | lardman|home | I can now do that I think, at least I can become root this time though |
| 19:53.05 | M4rtinK | MALFun ? :) |
| 19:54.07 | deram | so you set the "user" accounts password.. you sure you tried to ssh with user@DEVICE_IP? |
| 19:54.26 | lardman|home | deram: yes |
| 19:55.07 | deram | you might put some verbosity (like -vvv if using linux ssh) to the ssh client you are using, to see what it is complaining |
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| 20:02.35 | lardman|home | http://pastebin.com/LPTCVGx5 |
| 20:04.21 | deram | that is strange.. |
| 20:08.33 | rm_work | hrm |
| 20:08.39 | rm_work | user is a strange account tho |
| 20:08.49 | rm_work | i thought it was "not recommended" to set a password on it |
| 20:09.18 | lardman|home | no idea, I was just trying to login somehow |
| 20:11.01 | faenil | any idea to get antenna signal power? |
| 20:12.45 | lardman|home | dbus call probably, no idea what mind you |
| 20:15.35 | rm_work | lardman|home: /etc/ssh/sshd_config contains a like "PermitRootLogin" on my config |
| 20:15.38 | faenil | I want to know if the aluminium is seriously weakening the signal |
| 20:15.47 | rm_work | *contains a line |
| 20:15.55 | rm_work | it is set to "Yes" |
| 20:16.42 | rm_work | and then "AllowUsers" is a list of what ranges can connect |
| 20:16.57 | rm_work | like "*@192.168.0.0/16" |
| 20:17.00 | lardman|home | thanks rm_work |
| 20:17.27 | rm_work | lardman|home: well i am also interested in whether or not you can fix it :P |
| 20:17.36 | rm_work | lardman|home: so keep me informed if you manage |
| 20:19.41 | captainigloo | hi |
| 20:25.04 | lardman|home | hmm, I don;t see anything like PermitRootLogin |
| 20:25.16 | lardman|home | in fact very little is uncommented in my config |
| 20:25.35 | lardman|home | other than: Host * |
| 20:31.02 | lardman|home | ah, and a couple of others |
| 20:31.14 | lardman|home | will add PermitRootLogin yes and reboot and see what we get |
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| 20:42.23 | RST38h | moos at lardman |
| 20:46.40 | lardman|home | hey RST38h, how are you? :) |
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| 20:54.24 | jonni | lardman|home: in PR1.1 root login is not allowed, you can bypass this by doing: devel-su -c "echo root2:SU.odxvRwp3Vs:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sh >> /etc/passwd" that way you just do ssh root2@192.168.2.15 and everything just works, or you can follow following url http://sintonen.fi/n9_pr1.1_remote_root_ssh_login.txt |
| 20:57.59 | lardman|home | jonni: thanks |
| 20:58.00 | jonni | but there is a reason that its disabled, device is much more secure against outside attacks if you only use the changing password of developer user and devel-su to gain root. or upload authorized_keys to root change password to some random one, (and use root2 to login) |
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| 20:58.30 | lardman|home | I can't login as user though |
| 20:58.37 | lardman|home | ah developer |
| 20:58.42 | jonni | yes because use doesnt have passwd set :) |
| 20:58.55 | lardman|home | well actually it does as I set it |
| 21:01.46 | lardman|home | wonders where libmagick10++ has gone to |
| 21:03.30 | rafael2k | people, have anyone managed to put libhildon in a repo? |
| 21:04.48 | jonni | libmagick++10 |
| 21:05.21 | lardman|home | yeah, I can't apt-get install that either |
| 21:05.38 | lardman|home | though I could on the last beta |
| 21:07.39 | jonni | lardman|home: apt-get install libmagick10 |
| 21:08.00 | lardman|home | got that, I need the C++ parts though |
| 21:08.14 | lardman|home | which I assume were in the ++ lib |
| 21:09.00 | lardman|home | jonni: so should I be able to login as developer@ip ? |
| 21:10.05 | jonni | lardman|home: yes, if you have opened the SDK connection application, it will show the passwd |
| 21:11.07 | lardman|home | ah, great, thanks |
| 21:13.16 | jonni | and yes seems that that package is no longer in public repo, although you can still get the package from here I think: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/i/imagemagick/ |
| 21:13.36 | lardman|home | yeah was going to install directly |
| 21:13.59 | lardman|home | just trying to remove the dep really, but new code doesn't work, so need to work out why the outputs differ |
| 21:15.15 | lardman|home | hmm, no wget, what can one use? |
| 21:15.24 | jonni | apt-get install wget |
| 21:15.38 | lardman|home | hmm, just realised & tried that, thanks :) |
| 21:25.47 | rm_work | lardman|home: i think you may have edited the wrong file? |
| 21:26.02 | rm_work | lardman|home: that sounds like an accurate description of what is in my ssh_config |
| 21:26.07 | rm_work | you want sshd_config |
| 21:26.09 | rm_work | note the D |
| 21:26.58 | lardman|home | ah, doh |
| 21:27.29 | macmaN | Jare_: how how! |
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| 21:34.05 | macmaN | Jare_: going to sleep hopefully youll find a moment to write it down on fmo, thanks for figuring it out! |
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| 21:50.52 | Ans5i | http://matrixxreloaded.wordpress.com/2011/11/20/howto-custom-theme-for-harmattan-from-scratch-to-community-app-store/ |
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| 22:17.37 | deram | Ans5i: do you know, would it be totally impossible to modify current theme to have correct date shown as calendar icon? |
| 22:19.31 | deram | simplest way could be to change the icon daily, but would the main menu reload icon any way, and would that cause MALF... |
| 22:21.44 | arcean | deram: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVl6wc1G_rE |
| 22:21.52 | arcean | and http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4925 |
| 22:25.05 | lardman|home | night all |
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| 22:26.28 | apelete | hello #harmattan |
| 22:28.13 | deram | arcean: nice, though, it depends on root passwd... if only the calendar desktopfile could be changed user writable... |
| 22:28.43 | apelete | does anyone known if/how it is possible to have MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan Plateform SDK documentation offline ? |
| 22:29.33 | apelete | I'm talking about this: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/ |
| 22:30.57 | apelete | I'm thinking of wget-ing the whole website to have it offline (I'm going on a trip, and would like to have it with me so I can read it during the travel) |
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| 22:31.26 | apelete | is there a better way I don't know about to have that doc offline ? |
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| 23:26.40 | DocScrutinizer | It *should* be available as a huge archive/pdf/whatever somewhere |
| 23:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | **somewhere** |
| 23:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | wget sounds just fine to me |
| 23:27.17 | DocScrutinizer | if the friggin js works |
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