| 00:00.10 | jabis | nvm me - I'm just enjoying some... titties ... x) |
| 00:00.46 | jabis | ~lock hitlerizing |
| 00:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | "...so barf it back up, devil! do you hear!?" |
| 00:01.19 | jabis | why can't I lock them titties x) |
| 00:01.40 | jabis | unnecessary inhibitions x) |
| 00:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | jabis: because your nick isn't titties and you're not infobot's master either |
| 00:02.27 | jabis | that doesn'd explain titties - rite nao x) |
| 00:02.38 | ZogG_N9 | ~ZogG is awesome |
| 00:02.38 | infobot | okay, ZogG_N9 |
| 00:02.51 | ZogG_N9 | ~lock ZogG |
| 00:02.52 | Venemo | good night folks :) |
| 00:03.22 | ZogG_N9 | night |
| 00:03.31 | jabis | nini |
| 00:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | /nick ZogG |
| 00:03.41 | ZogG_N9 | ~lock zogg |
| 00:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N9 != zogg |
| 00:04.54 | zN9 | i cant log in into zogg coz its logged in from pc |
| 00:04.59 | jabis | ~jabis will never have tits - he be skinny |
| 00:05.25 | jabis | ~jabis will never have tits - he be skinny |
| 00:05.36 | jabis | wtf doublefail ;< |
| 00:05.49 | jabis | many nice beers |
| 00:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~jabis is <reply>jabis will never have tits - he be skinny |
| 00:05.50 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 00:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget jabis |
| 00:06.54 | infobot | i forgot jabis, DocScrutinizer |
| 00:07.04 | jabis | ~tits |
| 00:07.04 | infobot | What about them? |
| 00:07.19 | jabis | didn't forget about them -.- |
| 00:07.34 | Sazpaimon | so I made a maemo 5 chroot on my N9 |
| 00:07.38 | Sazpaimon | it works kind of |
| 00:07.46 | *** join/#harmattan deram (~deram@nblzone-209-180.nblnetworks.fi) |
| 00:07.52 | jabis | Sazpaimon: care to elaborate? |
| 00:08.02 | Sazpaimon | hildon applications start and demonstrate some functionality |
| 00:08.21 | Sazpaimon | its using a generic gtk theme, however, and i occasionally see crashes with segfaults and/or floading point exceptions |
| 00:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | jabis: <factoid> IS foo bar bla blub |
| 00:09.14 | Sazpaimon | but I installed maemo by using the SDK rootstrap, replaced all of the bash,coreutils, etc packages with busybox variants, and installed mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 00:09.30 | jabis | Doc, thanks for the annullment |
| 00:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | you could've done that as well |
| 00:09.50 | Sazpaimon | which had dependencies for *most* stock maemo 5 packages |
| 00:10.05 | jabis | sure - as I'm a tizzard :u |
| 00:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | jabis: I just created a factoid for you |
| 00:10.13 | DocScrutinizer | and removed it |
| 00:10.23 | Sazpaimon | for fun, i tested picodrive, and it works alright |
| 00:10.42 | jabis | DocScrutinizer: meh - I'm not serious - I'm Finn x) |
| 00:10.44 | Sazpaimon | i was able to load a rom from the command line, but the osso-games-manager UI crashes when i try to select a rom from the file browser |
| 00:10.51 | Sazpaimon | hildon-desktop also crashes |
| 00:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~unforget jabis |
| 00:10.51 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: Successfully recovered 'jabis'. Have fun now. |
| 00:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 00:11.05 | Sazpaimon | keep in mind i hacked this together at like 4AM |
| 00:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~jabis |
| 00:11.11 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, jabis is awesome guy |
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| 00:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 00:11.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo jabis |
| 00:11.29 | infobot | jabis -- created by ZogG-laptop <~zogg@bzq-79-177-202-146.red.bezeqint.net> at Sat Oct 22 23:27:52 2011 (19 days); last modified at Sat Oct 22 23:28:44 2011 by javispedro; it has been requested once, last by DocScrutinizer, 19s ago. |
| 00:11.30 | Sazpaimon | oh, and all text is showing up as squares |
| 00:11.31 | zN9 | Sazpaimon, i dont think they hear u |
| 00:11.33 | jabis | muahhahahaha :S |
| 00:11.47 | Sazpaimon | jabis asked for an elaboration |
| 00:11.49 | Sazpaimon | so I did |
| 00:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?! |
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| 00:12.29 | zN9 | i created jabbis? |
| 00:12.44 | jabis | Sazpaimon: nah I was serious :) just wondered why you'd want to run a prior maemo on top :) |
| 00:12.56 | Sazpaimon | jabis, for fun really |
| 00:13.07 | Sazpaimon | none of the maemo 5 apps are useful without a real keyboard |
| 00:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | jabis: you can define, delete (~forget), lock and unlock your own nick's factoid |
| 00:13.37 | jabis | zN9, you're not my mother nor my father - so stop saying that X) |
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| 00:13.55 | Sazpaimon | also |
| 00:13.59 | jabis | Doc, I've gathered as much :D |
| 00:14.10 | Sazpaimon | does anyone else experience google maps locking the browser up on their device |
| 00:14.16 | Sazpaimon | real google maps, not the mobile maps |
| 00:14.24 | zN9 | jabis is insane ) |
| 00:14.51 | jabis | ~jabis has lost his mind working on mobile |
| 00:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | missing IS |
| 00:15.20 | Sazpaimon | oh, almost forgot |
| 00:15.33 | Sazpaimon | trying to compile lightspark on scratchbox, getting this error: http://pastebin.com/mvXfJxVp |
| 00:15.42 | Sazpaimon | #lightspark has been unhelpful for days |
| 00:15.48 | jabis | yet again goddamnit - I must stop drinking so I can emphasize my capabilities X) |
| 00:16.12 | Sazpaimon | if anyone could help i'd appreciate it |
| 00:16.32 | jabis | ~jabis is has lost them titties in pursuit of snatch - eventhough still quite awesome, no= |
| 00:16.32 | infobot | ...but jabis is already something else... |
| 00:16.41 | jabis | blah :D |
| 00:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~jabis |
| 00:16.48 | infobot | rumour has it, jabis is awesome guy |
| 00:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget jabis |
| 00:16.57 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: i forgot jabis |
| 00:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~jabis is has lost them titties in pursuit of snatch - eventhough still quite awesome, no= |
| 00:17.07 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 00:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~jabis |
| 00:17.43 | infobot | from memory, jabis is has lost them titties in pursuit of snatch - eventhough still quite awesome, no= |
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| 00:17.57 | jabis | aww fucked up man x) |
| 00:18.13 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, ~jabis is <reply>jabis has lost them titties in pursuit of snatch - eventhough still quite awesome, no= |
| 00:18.13 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 00:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | ~jabis |
| 00:18.37 | infobot | i heard jabis is has lost them titties in pursuit of snatch - eventhough still quite awesome, no= |
| 00:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | wtf |
| 00:18.49 | jabis | what's it with is has x) |
| 00:18.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget jabis |
| 00:18.54 | infobot | i forgot jabis, DocScrutinizer |
| 00:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~jabis is <reply>jabis has lost them titties in pursuit of snatch - eventhough still quite awesome, no= |
| 00:19.05 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 00:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~jabis |
| 00:19.10 | infobot | jabis has lost them titties in pursuit of snatch - eventhough still quite awesome, no= |
| 00:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | haha, botbug |
| 00:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | nah, docbug |
| 00:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: ~jabis |
| 00:19.59 | infobot | jabis has lost them titties in pursuit of snatch - eventhough still quite awesome, no= |
| 00:20.08 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: ~~jabis |
| 00:20.15 | DocScrutinizer | whatever |
| 00:20.31 | jabis | why is my questionmark an = |
| 00:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, ~jabis is... is one ~ too much |
| 00:20.48 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 00:20.49 | ZogG | !lock ZogG |
| 00:20.54 | merlin1991 | ~docbug is what happens if you try to configure your bot @ 1 am in the morning |
| 00:20.54 | infobot | merlin1991: okay |
| 00:20.54 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know what you are talking about |
| 00:20.54 | ZogG | ~lock ZogG |
| 00:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | WAAAH |
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| 00:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 00:21.06 | merlin1991 | ~docbug |
| 00:21.06 | infobot | somebody said docbug was what happens if you try to configure your bot @ 1 am in the morning |
| 00:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know what you are talking about |
| 00:21.09 | ZogG | *infobot* sorry, you are not allowed to lock 'zogg'. |
| 00:21.30 | merlin1991 | love it how I get bot bots life :P |
| 00:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~~jabis |
| 00:21.32 | infobot | jabis has lost them titties in pursuit of snatch - eventhough still quite awesome, no= |
| 00:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys jabis |
| 00:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget ~jabis is... |
| 00:22.20 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: i forgot ~jabis is... |
| 00:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget ~jabis |
| 00:22.30 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: i forgot ~jabis |
| 00:22.38 | jabis | , no= vs no? x) |
| 00:22.53 | DocScrutinizer | your post |
| 00:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | I just c&p |
| 00:23.23 | jabis | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.38 | jabis | my shift+insert |
| 00:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | nayway, seems we got some calls for OT |
| 00:23.54 | ZogG | ~Recursion is the Recursion |
| 00:23.54 | infobot | ...but recursion is already something else... |
| 00:24.03 | ZogG | ~Recursion |
| 00:24.04 | infobot | To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion |
| 00:24.07 | jabis | ~recursion |
| 00:24.07 | infobot | To understand recursion, you must first understand recursion. see ~recursion |
| 00:24.36 | jabis | but howbout |
| 00:24.39 | jabis | ~tits |
| 00:24.39 | infobot | What about them? |
| 00:24.43 | jabis | ~boobies |
| 00:24.43 | infobot | boobies are always fun to play with, or very big |
| 00:24.48 | jabis | ~knockers |
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| 00:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | ~query |
| 00:25.08 | infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 00:25.26 | jabis | ~kockers is tits time boobies and more over silicone |
| 00:25.26 | infobot | jabis: okay |
| 00:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | I know I started that (well somehow) |
| 00:25.49 | ZogG | i started it with simple question |
| 00:27.04 | merlin1991 | I'm scared of tracker going insane in a sec |
| 00:27.14 | DocScrutinizer | simple answer: usually factoids are not chan specific, unless bot is specially configured to dela with chan sepcific factoids. Even then you need to define them in a way like "~$CHAN <factoidname> IS bla blub" |
| 00:27.15 | merlin1991 | just threw way too much media @ it |
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| 01:15.13 | z720 | PR1.1 now in Navifirm |
| 01:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? |
| 01:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | cool |
| 01:18.40 | z720 | yupe.. just clear the cache reload again you will see it globally |
| 01:18.44 | DocScrutinizer | mind to get the true URLs on that nokia fileserver? |
| 01:19.05 | z720 | no idea how to get that from navifirm |
| 01:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | wait, I'll ask MrCrab |
| 01:20.49 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, not yet: http://mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N9.html?productType=RM-696&productID=4823499691 |
| 01:22.01 | z720 | yupe.. I check this morning GMT+8 only found Navifirm updated other still dont have |
| 01:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | not everybody has or can run navifirm though |
| 01:22.42 | z720 | ok now i found the URL, what code you want 001 002 or 003? |
| 01:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | shrug, probably 001? |
| 01:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | all three? ;-D |
| 01:23.50 | z720 | hangon |
| 01:26.07 | z720 | sorry by country much more easy |
| 01:26.46 | DocScrutinizer | oh well. Germany |
| 01:27.06 | z720 | 16G or 64G? |
| 01:27.14 | z720 | :-) |
| 01:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | I'm really lost on the variants at MrCrab |
| 01:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | 16 |
| 01:31.13 | DocScrutinizer | though... HTF shall I know what Nokia sent to me? |
| 01:31.36 | z720 | http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1110/2709/6514740380/DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin |
| 01:31.36 | DocScrutinizer | I know it's black and 16GB |
| 01:32.48 | DocScrutinizer | and for the life of mine I can't see what's the differences between e.g Varian Name : RM-696 NDT CENTRAL EUROPE BLACK 16GB and Varian Name : RM-696 16G GLOBAL BLACK SWAP |
| 01:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | the *ARM.bin looks like it's always the same though |
| 01:33.49 | SpeedEvil | *PPC.bin is rather unlikely. |
| 01:33.50 | z720 | no idea.. but in Navfirm it split by country , color , size . |
| 01:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and that's what MrCrab does as well, and then you always land at DFL61_HARMATTAN_10.2011.34-1_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin, but the other files sometimes differ |
| 01:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | and no clue what those files are in the end |
| 01:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | I mean RM696_059K3R1_10.2011.34.1_002.vpl simlock_maemo__deB_allowed2_3gstandard_bb5_multi_asic0.bin simlock_maemo__deB_allowed2_3gstandard_bb5_multi_asic1.bin RM696_059K3R1_10.2011.34.1_002.dcp RM696_059K3R1_10.2011.34.1_002_signature.bin WTF? do I need those, want those? and if so, then to do what with them? |
| 01:37.35 | z720 | me too, no idea use of that file |
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| 01:53.11 | z720 | upgrading now. |
| 01:53.56 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer; I mentioned earlier that the latest OTA on n950 allows dmesg |
| 01:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 01:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | we got back dmesg? |
| 01:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'm pondering to do some N9 update right now, after 40-4 image popped up |
| 02:00.56 | z720 | N9 Updated. |
| 02:01.48 | SpeedEvil | imagines new versions of n800, 810, and 900 OSs sitting on nokia servers unnoticed for months or years. |
| 02:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 02:04.53 | z720 | open camera a bit slow |
| 02:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if that other files cruft as mentioned in e.g. http://mrcrab.net/nokia/Nokia_N9.html?productType=RM-696&releaseID=6324395729&version=10.2011.34.1&variantID=6442996292 is maybe for phoenix flasher to restore really nasty stuff like certs, simlock, whatnot else, to CAL, cmt, etc |
| 02:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to scan thru N900 L3_L4 (and L1_2 maybe too) to find out about how phoneix flasher is supposed to get the data to flash Nokia phones, and esp where from |
| 02:08.26 | SpeedEvil | Interesting possibilities. |
| 02:08.52 | SpeedEvil | From memory, it's not very detailed, and implies a seperate flasher-box manual |
| 02:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ meh! |
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| 02:17.04 | z720 | load damn high compare to PR1.0 |
| 02:17.05 | z720 | 10:15:17 up 4 min, load average: 4.31, 3.25, 1.40 |
| 02:17.36 | z720 | 10:15:58 up 5 min, load average: 2.03, 2.79, 1.33 |
| 02:18.28 | z720 | kernel not updated if I still recall |
| 02:18.30 | z720 | Linux RM696 2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 #1 PREEMPT Tue Oct 25 14:39:04 EEST 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 02:19.43 | SpeedEvil | There was an issue I saw where compositor went screwy and was eating CPU |
| 02:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | htop |
| 02:21.32 | DocScrutinizer | but may also be tracker-indexerd |
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| 02:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | esp if there are some files of yours in MyDocs already |
| 02:22.05 | z720 | voice and sound crystal clear |
| 02:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | I'd give the device 3 reboots at least |
| 02:23.27 | z720 | i just reboot 1 |
| 02:23.42 | z720 | found this /usr/bin/camera-ui -prestart |
| 02:23.50 | DocScrutinizer | wait 10..15min, then reboot another 2 times |
| 02:23.57 | z720 | ok |
| 02:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | no warranty it will help anything |
| 02:24.24 | DocScrutinizer | esp if it's a camera thing |
| 02:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | (though maybe they spy on the scared faces of users doing the update X-P ) |
| 02:25.11 | DocScrutinizer | (just kidding) |
| 02:25.24 | z720 | how to transfer file from PC to N9, keep received denied |
| 02:25.32 | z720 | via bluetooth |
| 02:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 02:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | I'd use mass storage |
| 02:25.56 | z720 | my PC does not hv nfc |
| 02:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 02:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | USB? |
| 02:26.23 | z720 | just want to test bluetooth .. nvm |
| 02:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~nfc |
| 02:26.27 | infobot | nfc is, like, No Fucking Clue |
| 02:26.42 | z720 | yupe |
| 02:27.23 | DocScrutinizer | on N900 I never succeeded to push to device, just from device *to* PC |
| 02:27.30 | DocScrutinizer | vi aBT |
| 02:28.24 | z720 | looks like N9 also hv tat problem |
| 02:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's a PC side problem |
| 02:30.02 | DocScrutinizer | PC missing the right profile for BT to push |
| 02:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | would be interesting to toss around files from one device (phone) to the other, back and forth |
| 02:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | then check what'S the BT profiles involved |
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| 02:32.25 | z720 | PC bluetooth no problem with samsung I900 |
| 02:32.26 | DocScrutinizer | fremantle PR1.1 couldn't sync via BT to PR1.2 |
| 02:32.48 | z720 | now the load looks good 10:30:16 up 3 min, load average: 0.94, 0.81, 0.34 |
| 02:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 02:52.47 | z720 | need vpn pls |
| 03:04.34 | merlin1991 | hm weird my n9 product code is 059J1Z5 that firmware variant is called NDT ? oO |
| 03:17.21 | merlin1991 | hm ota update is scary, was stuck @ 0% for 5 min |
| 03:22.38 | z720 | use flasher faster OTA can cause infinity reboot if network not stable |
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| 03:31.32 | merlin1991 | what does ndt stand for actually? |
| 03:31.57 | SpeedEvil | Non Destructive Testing. |
| 03:32.03 | SpeedEvil | (Probably not in this case) |
| 03:32.15 | SpeedEvil | Though it is an optimistic thing to hope that users do to phones. |
| 03:33.15 | merlin1991 | my product code leads to: 059J1Z5: RM-696 NDT 16GB BLACK |
| 03:33.23 | merlin1991 | so I wonder what ndt stands for :) |
| 03:35.15 | merlin1991 | the app-manager is mocking me, first it said updating with a % now it just says your device is being updated :D |
| 03:35.36 | SpeedEvil | Wait ages |
| 03:35.41 | SpeedEvil | it took about an hour here |
| 03:36.25 | merlin1991 | did it ask you inbetween to enable wlan? mine did and I said no |
| 03:36.28 | merlin1991 | now I have a reboot loop |
| 03:37.06 | merlin1991 | ah wait no, 2 reboots then it came up, oO |
| 03:38.41 | SpeedEvil | Off. |
| 03:38.42 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 03:38.57 | SpeedEvil | GOF keeps getting stuck at the wrong 'level' in the compositor. |
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| 03:47.42 | merlin1991 | hm angry birds gets an update |
| 03:54.43 | merlin1991 | and tracker is going berzerk ever since I upgraded, yay |
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| 04:40.50 | meegomy | anyone own N9 here? |
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| 05:53.49 | Corsac | grmbl, so account passwords aren't remembered anymore |
| 05:53.51 | Corsac | prft. |
| 05:56.00 | dm8tbr | Corsac: device asks for password on every reboot? |
| 05:56.11 | Corsac | yes |
| 05:56.21 | Corsac | any idea how to fix/workaround that? |
| 05:56.29 | dm8tbr | Corsac: do you have a backup from before that started happening? |
| 05:56.45 | Corsac | well, I have a pre-1.1 backup |
| 05:56.57 | Corsac | but I recreated the mail account after 1.1 so... |
| 05:57.20 | dm8tbr | one option you could try is recreating accounts |
| 05:57.29 | dm8tbr | the other is putting a backup back in |
| 06:00.51 | iekku | morning |
| 06:00.59 | dm8tbr | moaning |
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| 06:06.27 | Corsac | well, I already re-created the account and it obviously failed |
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| 06:10.02 | dm8tbr | Corsac: hm, that sucks... |
| 06:10.32 | dm8tbr | wonders if that will be a 'popular' pr1.1 bug |
| 06:10.53 | djszapi | there are no bugs, never =) |
| 06:12.06 | iekku | whaat? |
| 06:17.33 | jonni | Corsac: if your device asks for account passwords everytime, then your OTA updated corrupted /home/user/.signon, fixable by rm -rf /home/user/.signon and recreating accounts |
| 06:17.48 | ieatlint | yeah, that's a new security feature, not a bug |
| 06:20.59 | jonni | or actually that is not the fix... was just reading bugzilla.... |
| 06:22.36 | dm8tbr | jonni: which bz? |
| 06:23.04 | jonni | Corsac: as root, rm `apscli -s signon-private:Se -lu` |
| 06:23.29 | jonni | dm8tbr: projects.maemo.org |
| 06:23.33 | dm8tbr | I'm not sure that will help reliably |
| 06:23.54 | jonni | dm8tbr: 277832 |
| 06:24.02 | dm8tbr | ah, that's that restricted access thing :) |
| 06:26.46 | jonni | anyways if you happen to manage get corruption, options are full flash with 1.1gb bin files, rm magic, or wait for PR1.2 :) |
| 06:28.59 | dm8tbr | jonni: I think restoring from backup might actually also work, haven't tried recently though |
| 06:30.29 | jonni | dm8tbr: oh yes, that might also work, luckily I've never had to use backups myself |
| 06:30.54 | dm8tbr | I was testing moslo a few times, had to :) |
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| 08:32.11 | mece | hi, does anyone here use an ovi.com email account? |
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| 08:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | err, isn't that discontinued since quite some time? |
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| 08:36.41 | w00t | no |
| 08:37.32 | DocScrutinizer | I got a yahoo account, if that helps |
| 08:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | and mail.ovi.com kills my konqueror (like a numbor of other nokia websites does) |
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| 08:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | buffer overflow exploits usually do cause browser segfaults on mere visiting of a website |
| 08:43.16 | DocScrutinizer | so I wonder... |
| 08:44.22 | mece | DocScrutinizer, it forwards to yahoo mail. anyway I really like the email adress I have there. Super short and nice, and I use it for many things. Currently they've fucked up the webmail for me so I can't log in, but I can use imap or pop so I still use it. |
| 08:44.37 | RST38h | Samsung signs up PowerVR SGX MP GPUs for future devices, keeps its options open |
| 08:44.56 | mece | anyway what I wanted to know was if you can use ovi/yahoo mail with mfe |
| 08:44.56 | RST38h | (and everyone thought PVR was dead) |
| 08:45.09 | mece | RST38h, don't we have powervr on n9? |
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| 09:11.51 | dm8tbr | mece: yes omap3 has PVR/SGX |
| 09:12.11 | dm8tbr | mece: if it speaks imap or pop it should work, right? |
| 09:13.35 | mece | dm8tbr, hmm mfe != imap or pop tho. |
| 09:13.53 | dm8tbr | mece: oh so you really meant MFE and not fenix... |
| 09:14.16 | dm8tbr | why would they speak exchange? |
| 09:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 09:14.39 | hiemanshu | Yahoo doesn't have MfE at all |
| 09:14.44 | mece | ok |
| 09:14.52 | hiemanshu | mece: you can forward it to gmail, and use MfE with that |
| 09:14.59 | mece | hiemanshu, can you? |
| 09:15.05 | mece | hiemanshu, how? |
| 09:15.11 | hiemanshu | I have MfE with gmail for ages now |
| 09:15.27 | mece | hiemanshu, I have mfe with gmail, I meant how can i forward it |
| 09:15.44 | hiemanshu | mece: isnt there an option for yahoo to do it |
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| 09:16.16 | rantom | So I've been partly absent for a while |
| 09:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised. Dunno what's worse, yahoo or gmail |
| 09:16.29 | mece | hiemanshu, no idea. I can't get into my account on the web so unfortunately I can't test that atm. well I'll just stick to imap |
| 09:16.30 | rantom | Does the pr 1.1 flasher work as it should? |
| 09:16.35 | *** topic/#harmattan by hiemanshu -> A place for harmattan device and development discussions | PR 1.1 : http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/ | Developers check this: http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | UPGRADES: http://bit.ly/rffn73. | Customers help customers on #N9, hurry and you're the senior member |
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| 09:16.44 | hiemanshu | rantom: yup it does |
| 09:16.57 | rantom | hiemanshu: ok, ty |
| 09:17.06 | hiemanshu | mece: you cant login to yahoo via web? thats odd |
| 09:17.13 | mece | DocScrutinizer, depends on what way you mean. Yahoo is worse because it sucks balls, google is worse because it's evil(er) |
| 09:17.15 | rantom | Just confirming that I can restore the device to Harmattan from Nemo |
| 09:17.19 | hiemanshu | usually with yahoo everything can stop but wep doesn't |
| 09:17.28 | hiemanshu | rantom: yup |
| 09:17.32 | mece | hiemanshu, I've emailed nok support about it, there's some fuckup with the merge |
| 09:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | yahoo is evil a s well |
| 09:17.43 | rantom | good |
| 09:17.50 | mece | DocScrutinizer, yeah but in a globally meaningless way |
| 09:18.00 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: everything not run by us is evil to us :P |
| 09:19.07 | mece | hiemanshu, they called me yesterday and we went through all sorts of stuff to check what the problem was. Determined that there is some issue with the merge which they are now investigating. Either way, imap works so I can still use the email |
| 09:19.42 | mece | hiemanshu, and my nok account works. Only the webmail is borkened. I get an infinite loop at yahoo's "verify your password" page. |
| 09:20.07 | hiemanshu | Interesting |
| 09:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | mece: this problem is like 3 months old now |
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| 09:21.07 | hiemanshu | sad part about yahoo is that we are a business costumer and we still cant get MfE or IMAP only POP3, and I get all this with gmail for free |
| 09:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | and it's quite similar to general nokia fuckup at SSO |
| 09:22.09 | hiemanshu | anyways I am off, going to lunch and then rest, have a day off today |
| 09:22.48 | nibbler | hiemanshu: "for free". sure. https://nibbler.de/attic/forfree.jpg |
| 09:23.03 | mece | DocScrutinizer, but afaik it's not like this for everyone. For me the problem is 3 weeks old. |
| 09:23.53 | mece | have you noticed that google is closing a lot of apis these days btw? |
| 09:24.34 | DocScrutinizer | not that I ever look into google's APIs |
| 09:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | (not for everyone) yeah, seems random |
| 09:25.09 | mece | well i used translation api, but that's now closed, and images api is closing |
| 09:25.28 | DocScrutinizer | often related to complete mindfscked cookie management |
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| 09:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | by *them* |
| 09:26.10 | DocScrutinizer | I mean sending cookies with exiry date like "1969-11-30 14:00" -- W*T*F?! |
| 09:26.37 | mece | DocScrutinizer, huh? Never saw anything like that in api's I've used. |
| 09:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | their session-end cookie OTOH seems indestructible at all |
| 09:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | (Nokia ^^^) |
| 09:27.48 | mece | aah yes. perhaps |
| 09:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | (SSO, meego, yahoo mail, ovi) |
| 09:28.32 | zN9 | yahoo mail is depraceted |
| 09:28.48 | DocScrutinizer | indeed :-P |
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| 09:29.00 | DocScrutinizer | as is google shit |
| 09:29.41 | zN9 | google is easy to use and nice |
| 09:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | yeah sure \o/ all hail to google and their policy to even scan your email for relevant terms |
| 09:30.41 | nid0 | im happy with my hotmail account, even if it makes me severely uncool. |
| 09:30.51 | ZogG_N9 | that is shitty but i think everyone does it |
| 09:32.06 | ZogG_N9 | hotmail is prehistory, it has shity too complicated ui |
| 09:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | and no, for sure there's nothing bad in googles nasty browser bar indexing all your files on your PC and sending the results to google. Also nothing bad in them keeping record of all your google search queries, and I'd suggest using 8.8.4.4 for DNS server so you won't confuse google customer profiling with visiting webpages they don't notice you to |
| 09:32.39 | nid0 | I dont remember the last time I used hotmail's web ui so who cares :> |
| 09:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | ooh I forgot, please use google's document editing crap, so they even better know what you're doing - you know the indexing isn't that comprehensive to get an idea of what's going on at your side |
| 09:37.03 | DocScrutinizer | use googles calendar as well, to organize all appointments and tasks in your company |
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| 09:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | use google's supl server so they don'T get inaccurat edata of your locations in their profile of you |
| 09:38.23 | mece | DocScrutinizer, don't forget G+ |
| 09:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 09:38.38 | Hq` | I wear a tin foil hat so I'm immune to all that |
| 09:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | I just wonder how amazon and fleabay fit in - obviously google fails epically on that topic yet |
| 09:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | well, unless of course you get order confrimations etc via mail X-P |
| 09:40.37 | DocScrutinizer | paypal is a bit nasty - - for google big brother |
| 09:41.03 | mece | DocScrutinizer, that is really what bothers me the most with google. The integration of all the things. I really like the search engine and the email is fast and nice, but the fact that they read my emails and alter my search results accordingly. That is fucked up. |
| 09:41.34 | mece | I don't use that other g stuff |
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| 10:07.01 | Venemo | good morning |
| 10:07.02 | Venemo | MohammadAG, ping |
| 10:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | morning |
| 10:08.05 | mece | Venemo, 0/ |
| 10:09.46 | Venemo | hey mece & DocScrutinizer |
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| 10:14.44 | joppu | Venemo: pong |
| 10:15.04 | Venemo | joppu, good morning :) |
| 10:16.07 | Venemo | joppu, I was thinking of you when I saw this: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/nokia-developer-news/2011/11/10/enter-the-nokia-icon-competition |
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| 10:19.03 | joppu | But I don't have an app myself :P |
| 10:20.08 | Venemo | joppu, I was thinking of entering my app to the competition. but since the icon is actually yours, I would feel bad about it if I claimed the prize for myself. after all, the icon is your work :) |
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| 10:23.00 | joppu | well, I was thinking I might do some refinements, a background for the squicle wouldn't hurt |
| 10:23.04 | joppu | as per the original icon |
| 10:24.45 | Venemo | I'll reboot, will be back in a few minutes |
| 10:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 10:28.06 | gri | http://www.annoyedrodents.com/ - whahaha, the quotes on bottom right are the best of the site :) |
| 10:33.35 | joppu | nerokasta |
| 10:33.56 | joppu | *genius |
| 10:34.06 | joppu | I mistook the channel D: |
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| 10:37.10 | Venemo | hi again |
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| 10:42.42 | Venemo | so joppu, what do you think of this icon competition? |
| 10:43.10 | matrixx | my themechanger was rejected in ovi qa :( |
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| 10:43.23 | matrixx | reason was: "harmattan doesn't support themes" :D |
| 10:43.42 | dm8tbr | matrixx: :( |
| 10:43.50 | matrixx | I'm going to learn to use obs |
| 10:43.56 | matrixx | and I'll put it in cobs :) |
| 10:43.56 | dm8tbr | \o/ |
| 10:44.09 | dm8tbr | matrixx: put it in apps.formeego.org (through COBS) |
| 10:44.11 | matrixx | they can keep their tunkki |
| 10:44.17 | matrixx | yeah :) |
| 10:44.23 | X-Fade | matrixx: Ping me when you need help. |
| 10:44.27 | dm8tbr | that will be available for N9 (or is it already?) |
| 10:44.43 | joppu | Venemo: don't you have a N9 already or what was the prize for the competition? |
| 10:44.46 | X-Fade | dm8tbr: The client is available on the website now. |
| 10:44.57 | dm8tbr | ah, great, have to test it later :) |
| 10:45.25 | X-Fade | Don't want to advertise it all out yet as I really would like to test the developer submit part first. |
| 10:45.28 | Venemo | joppu, I "only" have N950, no N9 here |
| 10:45.34 | matrixx | X-Fade: yes, first I need an obs account :) |
| 10:45.45 | matrixx | matrixx is my nick in meego.org |
| 10:45.48 | X-Fade | So if anyone is interested in getting his app in Apps, I will hold your hand :) |
| 10:46.04 | X-Fade | matrixx: let me enable your account. |
| 10:46.13 | matrixx | X-Fade: thanks |
| 10:46.38 | X-Fade | matrixx: Done |
| 10:47.08 | joppu | Venemo: so you were figuring out that you could use my icon and claim to prize to yourself in the case we'd won? |
| 10:47.26 | matrixx | X-Fade: that was quick, thanks :) |
| 10:47.42 | joppu | matrixx: what's the custom theme stucture, you'd want some themes for your theme changer after all, don't you? |
| 10:47.50 | matrixx | joppu: yes, wait a sec |
| 10:48.14 | matrixx | http://leimu.drupalgardens.com/content/themechanger |
| 10:48.21 | matrixx | there's instructions how to do theme |
| 10:49.42 | Venemo | joppu, here's what I thought. I enter my app(s) with your icons to this competition. if we win an N9 and you think you could use that N9, you can have it. (after all, it's your icons.) if we win a "promotions on the greater Nokia Developer community" (whatever that is), and it is of use to me, then I'll have it. If we don't win anything, well, it's still fun. :) |
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| 10:51.33 | joppu | Venemo: sounds good to me |
| 10:51.41 | ZogG | X-Fade, ping |
| 10:51.51 | X-Fade | ZogG: yes? :) |
| 10:52.00 | Venemo | joppu, I hoped you would find this fair :) |
| 10:52.01 | ZogG | X-Fade first of all howdy? =) |
| 10:52.13 | ZogG | Venemo, i need you too btw =) |
| 10:52.16 | X-Fade | ZogG: Still good. |
| 10:52.22 | X-Fade | :) |
| 10:52.23 | Venemo | hey ZogG, what's up? |
| 10:52.37 | ZogG | Venemo, can you build irc chatter with recconct till new irc come out =) |
| 10:53.10 | ZogG | Venemo good, you? i would bug you about few things, wanna start coding something =) |
| 10:53.23 | ZogG | X-Fade, about repos and app client |
| 10:53.42 | Venemo | ZogG, can't build that package right now (on Windows, no Qt SDK installed here), but ping me about this tomorrow |
| 10:54.04 | Venemo | ZogG, sure, feel free to ask on this channel. If I can't answer, someone else surely will be able to :) |
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| 10:54.18 | X-Fade | ZogG: yes? |
| 10:54.26 | ZogG | X-Fade, as i understand formeego is the only one aviable, but would it be optional to add more repos or it would containt apps.meego.com repos? |
| 10:54.53 | X-Fade | ZogG: What are you trying to do? |
| 10:54.56 | Venemo | joppu, seems that the competition begins at 14 november, at least there's no entry link right now. |
| 10:55.14 | ZogG | i just didn't add any repos as i don't want to install apps just from names of package file =) |
| 10:55.42 | Hq` | matrixx: why did they reject it? |
| 10:55.59 | X-Fade | ZogG: Well the client will add the proper repo and you can select apps from the site or from the client and install them. |
| 10:56.02 | ZogG | X-Fade, i want to add repos, but don't want to have package manager as well |
| 10:56.21 | ZogG | X-Fade there are 4 aps there =) |
| 10:56.25 | joppu | Venemo: on the wiki page, there's an email address to mail the entry to |
| 10:56.38 | X-Fade | ZogG: Well yes, you need to start somewhere ;) |
| 10:56.48 | Venemo | joppu, correct, but it says: "You submission must arrive in our inbox between November 14 and Nov 30 (GMT). " |
| 10:56.57 | X-Fade | ZogG: But I don't get your problem? You just want to use apt-get? |
| 10:57.06 | ZogG | X-Fade, so it makes it only for site manager? coz i thought more of normal maanger not related to any package |
| 10:57.14 | ZogG | to any site* |
| 10:57.17 | matrixx | Hq`: it's because "Themes are not supported on MeeGo N9 platform" |
| 10:57.32 | matrixx | funny isn't it :) |
| 10:57.35 | Hq` | oh... |
| 10:57.54 | matrixx | I made some work to write down the instructions to do custom themes |
| 10:58.05 | matrixx | and then provided the changer which uses code from widgetsgallery |
| 10:58.10 | ZogG | X-Fade, but idea is to get package manager like synaptic or n900 manager |
| 10:58.14 | X-Fade | ZogG: You need explain yourself better as I don't get what you are trying to do? |
| 10:58.17 | matrixx | and still, themes are not supported :D |
| 10:58.45 | Hq` | :) |
| 10:58.51 | Hq` | or :( actually |
| 10:58.59 | ZogG | i myself use gentoo with comand line only portage, but it has nice descriptions and easy to navigate not like apt-get and as well there are sites that have package descriptions |
| 10:59.09 | X-Fade | ZogG: Ah, no that it is not. It it is a 'store' client, it fetches the info from Apps only. |
| 10:59.16 | matrixx | anyway they can keep their tunkki, we have apps.formeego.org :) |
| 10:59.16 | Venemo | joppu, you have time until then to make sure that the icon is eligible, eg. it fits the rules and everything |
| 10:59.36 | ZogG | X-Fade, any plans to make normal package manager based on client |
| 10:59.38 | ZogG | ? |
| 10:59.51 | X-Fade | ZogG: No, I don't see the point. |
| 11:00.05 | ZogG | why not? if you'll have few repos |
| 11:00.17 | ZogG | and there are packages you don't have idea about.. |
| 11:00.28 | X-Fade | Well it would be good if the community invests it's efforts in creating one good one. |
| 11:00.42 | ZogG | X-Fade btw it has to use pkgmngr and not apt-get straight right? |
| 11:01.29 | X-Fade | ZogG: It installs through the internal package manager, which just uses apt-get. |
| 11:01.35 | ZogG | X-Fade i can start one, but i'm not a really coder and not good with gui and desinging though i bet wazd would help on this one with UI |
| 11:01.40 | X-Fade | ZogG: It gets all info/metadata from an OCS interface. |
| 11:02.04 | ZogG | X-Fade, does repos support OCS as well? |
| 11:02.26 | X-Fade | ZogG: Really, it would be better to invest that energy to make sure people submit their apps to Apps? |
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| 11:02.44 | ZogG | i see other solution, but i never mantained or made repos, so maybe there are simplier solutions |
| 11:02.58 | X-Fade | Many repos is always a mess. |
| 11:03.33 | ZogG | X-Fade, i know for sure a lot of people would use their repos only for them, but they wouldnt mind to share them. so they wouldn't submit to formeego =) |
| 11:03.40 | X-Fade | You should try to keep the number as low as possible, so you don't get nasty dependency conflicts. |
| 11:03.54 | X-Fade | And remember that other repos won't have an aegis policy. |
| 11:03.59 | ZogG | X-Fade, i know, but if you have manager it's good actually, coz no need to sync everything and keep everything in one place |
| 11:04.05 | X-Fade | And we will. |
| 11:04.20 | ZogG | aegis policy is mess |
| 11:04.30 | ZogG | i need to understand how it works at all |
| 11:04.50 | X-Fade | ZogG: Apps in Apps will always be updated automatically through the package manager system. Not like ovi where you need to check yourself. |
| 11:05.17 | X-Fade | Basically with Apps people don't need to enable dev mode to install packages. |
| 11:06.09 | ZogG | i thought to add /Description /Screenshots and /changelog dirs to repo, where you keep extra info for manager like screenshots and changelog as e.g. for for-bar-2.3 would have for-bar-2.3-screenshot-1.png |
| 11:06.28 | ZogG | or foo-bar-screeshot if it's not per version |
| 11:06.31 | X-Fade | ZogG: We all fetch those from OBS directly. |
| 11:06.34 | ZogG | same with changelogs |
| 11:06.38 | X-Fade | ZogG: And obs is versioned. |
| 11:06.51 | ZogG | X-Fade, but would you able to make one for all repos? |
| 11:07.14 | X-Fade | Also, when SDK updates, OBS will rebuild and make sure that all apps still build. |
| 11:07.28 | ZogG | it's nice |
| 11:07.50 | ZogG | the question if i make my own repo can i connect it to yours OBS? |
| 11:08.26 | X-Fade | If you create a home project in OBS and set it up to compile against the SDK there, it will alway be compatible and in sync. |
| 11:08.34 | Hq` | one suggestion for improvement of the client: make it possible to just show apps from all categories without having to go through the categories individually |
| 11:08.35 | X-Fade | This will create your own repo. |
| 11:09.16 | X-Fade | And if you then want to share your app with a larger audience, you can just do a submit request to MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing and you are done. |
| 11:10.05 | ZogG_N9 | X-Fade, but again it forces me to work thru ur obs and it wouldnt be really my private repo |
| 11:10.12 | X-Fade | You have to understand that adding repos is hard, so when you do your own thing, you will have 10s of users. |
| 11:10.24 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: But OBS is easy? |
| 11:10.36 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: Just dpkg-buildpackage -S and upload the files? |
| 11:10.57 | ZogG_N9 | my idea is to make repo and if someone wsnts he would be able to easily add it to manager |
| 11:11.18 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: Yeah, but that think a bit further. |
| 11:11.34 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: What are you trying to do? |
| 11:11.43 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: Dump packages somewhere and don't care? |
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| 11:12.30 | ZogG_N9 | btw its an example as i wouldnt make my repo but as i know from maemo community making ports and packages |
| 11:12.53 | ZogG_N9 | people making ports and packages ob their own repos |
| 11:13.24 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: You need to think about for personal use and for a greater audience. |
| 11:13.32 | ZogG_N9 | and sometimes they have good stuff there |
| 11:13.34 | X-Fade | These pump and dump repos tend to go stale. |
| 11:13.54 | X-Fade | And the community ends up with 100s of broken repos all over the place, conflicting with each other. |
| 11:14.10 | ZogG_N9 | agreed but i just know that noone will use same place |
| 11:14.17 | X-Fade | For community's sake, you need to see if you can put effort into centralizing. |
| 11:14.43 | X-Fade | Well, this is where everyone can help. |
| 11:14.59 | ZogG_N9 | i cant do anythink about it and i assume my packages i would upload for your obs or rzr repo |
| 11:15.07 | X-Fade | You need to think in solutions, not in problems ;) |
| 11:15.15 | ZogG_N9 | btw would rzr repo be supported? |
| 11:15.33 | X-Fade | Those can be pushed into the central repo with a few mouse clicks. |
| 11:15.52 | ZogG_N9 | X-Fade, no solution, cant force anyone to use obs |
| 11:16.00 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: Why not? |
| 11:16.25 | ZogG_N9 | X-Fade, but who would push them? |
| 11:16.27 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: You make it seem like it is a bad thing :) |
| 11:17.20 | ZogG_N9 | X-Fade, e.g. ruskie has few good things in his repo so i asked him to push it to main maemos |
| 11:17.29 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/01/21/qt-creator-build-service-plug-in/ |
| 11:17.46 | ZogG_N9 | he requested permission to do it and never got approved |
| 11:18.12 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: That is why now we got everything automated. |
| 11:18.14 | ZogG_N9 | so he pmed someine and got no solutions so he kept using his repo |
| 11:18.56 | ZogG_N9 | coz in linux communities most apps are developed for perdonal use, but are avilable for others |
| 11:18.57 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: So no blocking on people who are not available of busy. |
| 11:19.20 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: Yes, but we as a community need to try to be better than that, really. |
| 11:19.34 | ZogG_N9 | X-Fade, but than no check for viruses? |
| 11:19.56 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: There is the community QA process. |
| 11:20.17 | ZogG_N9 | X-Fade, i agree but i talk to you sbout current situation and not perfect one |
| 11:20.52 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: Really, try out what we have created now. And comment on things that can get better. |
| 11:20.55 | ZogG_N9 | sorry for mistypes n9 keyboard is not like n900 =( |
| 11:22.33 | ZogG_N9 | X-Fade, for now i'm going to try start codung sonething before i would be able to use your obs, but as far as i see rzr repo has dousen apps and your site only 4 |
| 11:23.35 | ZogG_N9 | coding* something* douzens* |
| 11:23.57 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: Well yes, those are the apps we tested with :) |
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| 11:26.27 | ZogG_N9 | X-Fade, so maybe poring rzr repo to obs would be nice begining and about client i think you should make only sort by name/date/author and add categories as selection that by default it would be all |
| 11:26.48 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: It is already. |
| 11:27.10 | ZogG_N9 | yeah except you dont have all =) |
| 11:27.19 | X-Fade | ZogG_N9: They already use cobs. |
| 11:27.35 | ZogG | cobs? |
| 11:27.41 | X-Fade | community obs |
| 11:28.00 | ZogG | but how can i see them in client? |
| 11:28.15 | X-Fade | It doesn't list them. |
| 11:29.02 | ZogG | btw anyone know if it's possible to make any song as ringtone coz i tried and it says i have no context whilei have music uploaded and player use it |
| 11:29.19 | ZogG | X-Fade, wy not? |
| 11:29.37 | X-Fade | ZogG: Like I say, because they aren't pushed yet. |
| 11:30.07 | ZogG | yes, and i wonder why not =) |
| 11:30.15 | X-Fade | As we are still testing. |
| 11:30.18 | ZogG | maybe to testing at elast |
| 11:30.29 | ZogG | but youn have testing there as well |
| 11:30.33 | ZogG | i unabled it |
| 11:30.37 | ZogG | enabled* |
| 11:30.38 | X-Fade | That is what we started this conversation with, you remember? :) |
| 11:31.33 | ZogG | i probably lost you, didn't fully wake up |
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| 11:37.26 | ZogG_N9 | ok, added nick to account =) |
| 11:38.20 | mece | is installing community client. *excited* |
| 11:38.49 | nid0 | hm |
| 11:38.57 | nid0 | so nokia *do* make a uk spec n9 |
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| 11:39.51 | deram | is there any way to hide swype vkbd in terminal? |
| 11:40.05 | Hq` | maybe it be possible to get the community client to ovi store ;) |
| 11:40.06 | deram | like there is a way with normal vkbd (flick down) |
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| 11:40.54 | xarcass | deram: try gesture from swipe button to the backspace |
| 11:41.06 | xarcass | *swype |
| 11:41.18 | deram | nothing |
| 11:41.41 | mece | deram, slide in normal keyboard, swipe down |
| 11:41.42 | X-Fade | Hq`: That is something we're looking at indeed. |
| 11:42.07 | deram | mece: yep. that is something I'd like to avoid |
| 11:43.39 | deram | ok.. this could be fixable in terminal app, as with store, just touching non-editable part of screen hides swype |
| 11:44.32 | deram | (tried with store search page, as its navigation is left under vkbd) |
| 11:44.34 | xarcass | deram: "To easily hide the keyboard, just Swype from the Swype key to the backspace key" - that's from swipe's docs |
| 11:44.50 | deram | xarcass: does not work with terminal |
| 11:45.23 | deram | and not on that store search page |
| 11:46.08 | deram | but just found a nice page on swype. gesture swype-key to +!= key |
| 11:46.45 | deram | there is arrows and pageup/down, etc |
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| 11:50.48 | mece | deram, have you tried that custom xterm keyboard? |
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| 11:53.45 | mece1 | I'm very impressed with the whole community apps end user experience! |
| 11:54.17 | X-Fade | mece1: We're still working on the client. |
| 11:54.52 | X-Fade | mece1: But it is starting to come together. |
| 11:55.11 | X-Fade | mece_: Personally I can't help spinning the screenshots ;) |
| 11:55.13 | mece_ | works very well. Is there a bugtracker for client btw? |
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| 11:56.08 | mece_ | or status or such. I guess the bugs I've found so far are known.. |
| 11:56.36 | mece_ | actually the only bug so far is that the "launch" button doesn't work |
| 11:57.20 | ZogG | mece_, hey |
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| 11:57.36 | ZogG | lardman|laptop hoi |
| 11:57.42 | mece_ | ZogG, o/ |
| 11:58.17 | ZogG | sup |
| 11:58.23 | ZogG | X-Fade, one more thing |
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| 12:00.04 | X-Fade | mece_: https://bugs.meego.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Community%20Apps |
| 12:00.21 | X-Fade | mece_: But yes, the launch button doesn't work. That is known, waiting implementation :) |
| 12:01.58 | ZogG | what launch button? it worked for me, it created 2 icons one for app and gree one, after reinstall grenn one disapeared |
| 12:02.15 | X-Fade | ZogG: Inside that client. |
| 12:02.21 | mece_ | where's the guid to publish stuff to afm (I can't think of a good name, but afm is suitable imo (as in apps for meego)) |
| 12:02.46 | X-Fade | mece_: guid? |
| 12:02.53 | ZogG | guide? |
| 12:02.53 | mece_ | guide |
| 12:02.54 | mece_ | sorry |
| 12:03.01 | ZogG | mece_, not acceptable =) |
| 12:03.23 | X-Fade | mece_: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Apps/Submit |
| 12:03.30 | ZogG | X-Fade, i would propose what i proposed for maemo, and it was not done, but lardman did want to help with this as well |
| 12:03.41 | mece_ | flogs himself with a rubber chicken for being such an idiot and spelling "guide" wrong. |
| 12:03.46 | mece_ | X-Fade, thank you |
| 12:04.10 | X-Fade | mece_: guid is something we use a lot too ;) So that is why I was confused ;) |
| 12:04.17 | ZogG | to make implantation with mbarcode and your client, if i do browse site from Pc and want to install i should use mbarcode, think it's good idea |
| 12:04.29 | mece_ | X-Fade, yeah I know :) |
| 12:04.40 | ZogG | i don't waht is guid |
| 12:05.04 | X-Fade | ZogG: You mean adding a barcode to the site? |
| 12:05.15 | mece_ | ZogG, Globally unique identifier |
| 12:05.23 | deram | mece_: which custom kyboard? |
| 12:05.43 | mece_ | deram, lemme look it up. 'twas pretty interesting. I haven't got an N9 so I didn't try it. |
| 12:05.54 | ZogG | X-Fade yes |
| 12:06.02 | ZogG | X-Fade, qr codes for apps |
| 12:06.19 | X-Fade | ZogG: We could do that. |
| 12:06.25 | ZogG | autogenerated by site |
| 12:06.36 | X-Fade | ZogG: That could be an interesting thing to do. |
| 12:06.50 | ZogG | and than ask lardman to add it to barcode app |
| 12:06.58 | X-Fade | ZogG: Although when you are on device already, you might as well click on the link? |
| 12:07.03 | ZogG | X-Fade, the way android market works |
| 12:07.20 | X-Fade | ZogG: But yeah, I think that can be done relatively easily. |
| 12:07.35 | ZogG | X-Fade, yeah but i love using Pc to browse at home and would like to transfer link to n9 |
| 12:07.36 | X-Fade | ZogG: We just need to agree on what we should encode in the qr. |
| 12:08.22 | X-Fade | ZogG: Something like apps://reponame/packagename |
| 12:08.39 | lardman | is happy to do that |
| 12:08.52 | ZogG | X-Fade, or page to app in way like apps://number so barcode would open client with app id number or jsut normal url that mbarcode would see "apps.formeego.com" on it and send it to client |
| 12:09.04 | X-Fade | ZogG: Yeah, we have app id too. |
| 12:09.09 | lardman | in fact there is already a partial implementation of that in the code, just disabled as we lack any users |
| 12:09.30 | mece_ | here's that custom terminal keyboard: http://hqh.unlink.org/harmattan/ |
| 12:09.34 | ZogG | X-Fade i think it should open in client and than install from client |
| 12:09.39 | mece_ | deram, ^^ |
| 12:10.01 | ZogG | lardman, btw didn't get your mbarcode for n9 yet, loved it on n900 =* |
| 12:10.09 | X-Fade | ZogG: Yeah, we probably need to setup a dbus handler for it. |
| 12:10.22 | ZogG | lardman, byut why it's called lite? nopt ported everything or gonna add payed version? =) |
| 12:10.40 | lardman | ZogG: Sorry have been tied up trying to get Nemo to boot on my Tab, will package it up this weekend |
| 12:10.46 | mece_ | ZogG, X-Fade, you can just add that suse something mime type to the .desktop file of the client and it would launch it with client from browser. As long as the client supports that |
| 12:10.49 | lardman | and test a few more things |
| 12:10.57 | X-Fade | mece_: That already works :) |
| 12:10.57 | ZogG | X-Fade, why would we? just api for client to recive that kinda url so client can send them to it |
| 12:11.34 | X-Fade | ZogG: Ah, we already have .ymp file links. This is like the old install file on maemo 5. |
| 12:11.41 | ZogG | lardman, Nemo? don't make me jealous, what tab you have? btw do you have twitter? |
| 12:11.44 | mece_ | ZogG, so why not just point the url directly to the ymp file? |
| 12:12.01 | mece_ | lardman, how's that swipe thing in nemo these days? |
| 12:12.05 | ZogG | okay, i don't know what is ymp =) |
| 12:12.23 | lardman | mece_: I've not got a UI up yet so no idea ;) |
| 12:12.24 | X-Fade | We have a one-click-install handler already. |
| 12:12.31 | ZogG | i wanted hp touchpad so much =) |
| 12:12.32 | X-Fade | Although it is 2 clicks now :) |
| 12:12.33 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: you found out why your .desktop icon didn't hide? |
| 12:12.39 | ZogG | to put funtoo and mer on it ) |
| 12:12.46 | mece_ | ZogG, like a .install file: this: http://apps.formeego.com/mgd:attachment/9a03fc2e093c11e18f53d944a1d75f2b5f2b/foreveralone_install.ymp |
| 12:12.48 | X-Fade | Because of harmattan's transfer manager. |
| 12:13.14 | deram | mece_: yeah... have tried it... won't work for me... |
| 12:13.32 | mece_ | crudbuckets! I need to log out log in or something. I've lost my remote profile on this computer. How inconvenient. |
| 12:13.32 | X-Fade | And I haven't been able to find out if we can bypass the transfer manager somehow. |
| 12:13.36 | deram | and by me, I mean me.. app works fine on device |
| 12:13.43 | ZogG | mece_, it's messed up? coz i feel yum in ymp, coz meego was desinged for rpm? |
| 12:13.46 | mece_ | deram, kk |
| 12:13.49 | lardman | could use a different uri but still point to the .ymp file, then mbarcode can point the app manager at it to avoid the download manager |
| 12:14.09 | mece_ | ZogG, works fine either way with the client. |
| 12:14.39 | ZogG | that sounds good =)_ |
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| 12:15.06 | ZogG | lardman, so what tab you got? |
| 12:15.19 | lardman | old 7" one |
| 12:16.14 | lardman | argh, I hate systemd, no way to debug the bloody thing, grr |
| 12:16.18 | ZogG | lardman, can you link me? i want to buy one cheap for mer tests =) |
| 12:16.32 | lardman | zogG: I paid full whack |
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| 12:16.45 | lardman | oh I see, no idea whether you can get those still |
| 12:16.47 | ZogG | lardman, just read today about it instead of init(8) in fedore, have no clue what is it thoguh =) |
| 12:16.58 | lardman | I'd probably go for a tegra as they seem to have decent support |
| 12:17.03 | lardman | hummingbird is a pita |
| 12:17.20 | ZogG | hummingbird is an model? or you like birds? =) |
| 12:17.29 | lardman | is a SoC like OMAP |
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| 12:18.15 | ZogG | X-Fade, don't mind russian, but this is an idea - http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/android/132352/ |
| 12:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: systemd is poettering |
| 12:18.32 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, do you ever sleep? |
| 12:18.39 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: yeah |
| 12:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | bots never sleep |
| 12:18.50 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer that is my point |
| 12:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~poettering |
| 12:19.02 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' |
| 12:19.19 | lardman | seems like it might be quite nice, but it's not particularly easy to get anything to run afaict, and if you can't get any comms up, nor can you log anything to file, it's hard to see what's happening |
| 12:20.25 | lardman | has only one thing left to try - boot into single user mode and see if he can login somehow |
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| 12:21.16 | ZogG | Hq`, hey, what is thel ink for your terminal? btw would you like to add dim out option for keyboard so i can set it to time i want? |
| 12:22.38 | z720 | anybody know possible to install vpn client in N9 |
| 12:23.49 | medri | had anyone troubles using wifi? with N9 |
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| 12:32.10 | DocScrutinizer | links N9 to WiFi and hits "update" |
| 12:33.30 | medri | i am at the current update |
| 12:33.35 | SpeedEvil | Good luck. |
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| 12:34.31 | mece_ | hey btw fmtx on N9. Any chance? |
| 12:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | fetches the huge sledgehammer for adjusting DLINK DR-615 -> "can not get IP" |
| 12:35.19 | mece_ | DocScrutinizer, going low level I see :D |
| 12:35.30 | alterego | Ooo, Qt SDK 1.1.4 |
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| 12:36.32 | medri | i have a AVM FritzBox |
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| 12:39.15 | RST38h | Doc: Smite it with the power of Thor! |
| 12:39.21 | ZogG | transmission |
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| 12:46.08 | jabis | soo I herd... wait I didn't |
| 12:47.04 | Hq` | ZogG: http://hqh.unlink.org/harmattan/ and you can already adjust the delay from .config/FingerTerm/settings.ini |
| 12:47.30 | jabis | tried fingerterm - hated it |
| 12:47.50 | ZogG | Hq` thanks man, googled it already =) |
| 12:48.00 | ZogG | jabis, hated you =) |
| 12:48.05 | jabis | :D |
| 12:48.11 | ZogG | actually it's nice only delay is too short |
| 12:48.18 | ZogG | ~jabis |
| 12:48.19 | infobot | jabis has lost them titties in pursuit of snatch - eventhough still quite awesome, no= |
| 12:48.30 | jabis | :P |
| 12:48.39 | ZogG | Hq`, don't mind him. nice app |
| 12:48.57 | jabis | actually I didn't hate it - just after some conversation on where it'll go x) |
| 12:49.18 | jabis | Hq, nice app - tho has it's shortcomings :) |
| 12:49.40 | ZogG | Checking for at least 9 gibibytes disk space at "/var/tmp/portage/tmp6inJ3z/portage/app-office/libreoffice-3.4.4.2-r1/temp damn!!!!! |
| 12:49.42 | jabis | I can imagine that it'll only get better |
| 12:49.47 | ZogG | wtf |
| 12:49.47 | Hq` | :) |
| 12:49.53 | Hq` | sure it's not perfect |
| 12:49.59 | Hq` | (for everyone) |
| 12:50.11 | ZogG | jabis pull your tongue out of his a$$ |
| 12:50.13 | ZogG | =) |
| 12:50.36 | ZogG | it's betetr than standart terminal anyway =) |
| 12:50.36 | jabis | lol - nothing suits you today x) |
| 12:50.49 | ZogG | jabis i told ya, hate you =) |
| 12:50.58 | ZogG | jabis, i have bad news |
| 12:51.05 | jabis | shoot x) |
| 12:51.31 | jabis | ZogG: did I accidentally your whole N9, or why haters gonna hate? x) |
| 12:51.36 | ZogG | as we know DocScrutinizer is a bot, but i think he is trying to control all the bots, so he would try to conquer internets, we are DOOMED |
| 12:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~attacl ZogG |
| 12:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~attack ZogG |
| 12:52.11 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing ZogG |
| 12:52.32 | jabis | conquering the internets from irc is an ambitious goal, we should commend him instead |
| 12:53.34 | ZogG | irc is where internets started and it where it would be ended |
| 12:54.03 | ZogG | hate that libreoffice is so huge and you need java for it, hate java |
| 12:54.10 | jabis | your facts are wrong - it wasn't irc per sé - but we Finns take the credit anyhow -.- |
| 12:55.13 | RST38h | Meanwhile: A bloke in the US has been arrested after repeatedly calling the emergency number 911 to complain that his iPhone wasn't working |
| 12:55.23 | ZogG | X-Fade, btw, are notifications for updates planned for client as well? |
| 12:55.24 | RST38h | ~lawyers Zogg |
| 12:55.43 | X-Fade | ZogG: That happens already. |
| 12:55.50 | ZogG | X-Fade \o/ |
| 12:56.02 | ZogG | RST38h, zdarovenki bili |
| 12:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | I hate the WPA password textfield IM, it's incredibly annoying the N9 hides my password I type from me while I type it. Goes well together with the crappy vkbd in portrait |
| 12:56.46 | jabis | You should be able to write it blindfolded Doccy |
| 12:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | sore, on any sane kbd I would |
| 12:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 12:57.23 | RST38h | ZogG: I vam |
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| 12:57.37 | RST38h | Hey, Doc, the lawyers attack does not work on the bot! |
| 12:57.50 | E0x_ | morning |
| 12:58.16 | jabis | ~lawyers itself |
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| 12:59.31 | jabis | ~nukes RST38h |
| 12:59.43 | jabis | ~nuke RST38h |
| 12:59.43 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at RST38h ... B☢☢M! |
| 13:00.00 | ZogG | cyrus_N9 holla |
| 13:00.08 | jabis | well - can't go wrong with a few missiles ^^ |
| 13:00.15 | jabis | ~lawyer RST38h |
| 13:00.20 | ZogG | RST38h, it doesn't work on me |
| 13:00.32 | jabis | ~nuke ZogG |
| 13:00.32 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at ZogG ... B☢☢M! |
| 13:00.39 | ZogG | in mama russia the people layer law |
| 13:00.56 | ZogG | jabis, stop being so childish about bot |
| 13:01.12 | cyrus_N9 | ZogG, privet) |
| 13:01.27 | jabis | nah - I'm entitled to be childish about the bot |
| 13:01.28 | ZogG | cyrus_N9, tune in man |
| 13:01.29 | RST38h | jabis: You are aware that the both also has other commands, aren't you? |
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| 13:01.38 | RST38h | s/both/bot/ |
| 13:01.39 | jabis | RST38h: no U |
| 13:02.05 | jabis | RST38h: I'm fully aware yes x) |
| 13:02.14 | ZogG | that's where all decisions are made. RST38h is the head of harmattan department he decides what we should have on n9 or what we shouldn't =)) |
| 13:02.45 | jabis | I just feel like effing around atm - must be my hangover |
| 13:03.00 | ZogG | X-Fade, btw one more thing, but first of all i wanted to ask if it's okay i bug you over irc and not using forum or bugtracker for client? |
| 13:03.08 | jabis | oh - and the joy of fixing my phone over a simple reboot instead a whole reflash -u x) |
| 13:03.22 | X-Fade | ZogG: That is ok for now, until it gets out of hand ;) |
| 13:03.28 | jabis | s/reboot/reboot -u/ |
| 13:04.11 | jabis | the joys of being right \o/ marvelous |
| 13:04.16 | ZogG | X-Fade, about deprecated and multideps. first one if package is not developed it should be metioned before install it's deprecated and even maybe suggest to newer project if there is |
| 13:04.59 | X-Fade | ZogG: We need to come up with a process for this yes. |
| 13:04.59 | jabis | now if only I could get our ERP problem fix'd I'd have moar tiem on my hands |
| 13:05.04 | vladest | hi |
| 13:05.04 | ZogG | X-Fade, and about multideps, if i want irssi in e.g. and it depends on terminal, can we make that it depends on any terminal? for example if i use fingerterm and not default one |
| 13:05.18 | ZogG | vladest, hola |
| 13:05.20 | vladest | how to update qt components to 1.1 on harmattan? |
| 13:05.23 | vladest | ZogG |
| 13:05.25 | X-Fade | ZogG: What if a package is getting bitrotted and the author moved on? |
| 13:07.03 | ZogG | X-Fade, it can be calculated like in google code pages if the package wasn't changed for X time it's the warning at first or other options are if author mark as no longer mantained or X+Y time no changes to package |
| 13:07.23 | ZogG | marks* |
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| 13:08.23 | X-Fade | ZogG: I think it would be good to describe all the processes in the wiki. Find issues and come up with ways to solve them. |
| 13:08.31 | ZogG | like 2 options one is automatic for warning and after that deprecated if author marked it or passed double time for example from first warning |
| 13:09.26 | cyrus_N9 | hey guys what about zoom while recording video in pr1.1? |
| 13:09.49 | X-Fade | cyrus_N9: Do a step foward? |
| 13:09.51 | ZogG | X-Fade, it can be made on client side and not related to repo it self so no info there untill you want author to mark deprecated thru OBS, still no idea how it works, need to read more about it |
| 13:10.42 | ZogG | trying to convince cyrus_N9 to use IRC more, he more jabber guy. |
| 13:11.09 | X-Fade | cyrus_N9: Digital zoom is always a bad compromise anyway. |
| 13:11.50 | ZogG | X-Fade, so no zoom for now? it should be optional anyway doesn't matter how bad it is imo |
| 13:11.53 | ZogG | let the user decide |
| 13:12.12 | X-Fade | ZogG: Don't look at me :) |
| 13:12.22 | cyrus_N9 | X-Fade, but sometimes it could be usefull |
| 13:13.17 | ZogG | cyrus_N9 try to fill a bug |
| 13:13.26 | ZogG | jonni, sup |
| 13:14.08 | cyrus_N9 | nice client btw ) i want something like that for xmpp |
| 13:14.11 | jonni | . |
| 13:14.19 | SpeedEvil | Digital zoom is not always a bad compromise. If you don't need the edges of the picture, capturing them can reduce quality for a given filesize. |
| 13:15.14 | jabis | cyrus_N9: isn't there an alternative camera app that handles that, or does my recollection suck yet again |
| 13:15.23 | jabis | camera pro or sth it was |
| 13:15.49 | deram | X-Fade: digital zoom is only bad when resulting image contains more pixels than the sensor has |
| 13:16.24 | X-Fade | deram: True, there is a bit of room still. Although with the size of the sensor, you will see a lot of noise. |
| 13:16.28 | deram | in case of video, there is way more pixels usable for zoom than the video uses |
| 13:16.41 | deram | X-Fade: that is true also |
| 13:16.48 | X-Fade | And having the pixels averaged will remove some of that noise. |
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| 13:16.49 | cyrus_N9 | jabis, i didn't see it.. |
| 13:17.59 | ZogG | cyrus_N9, there are few photo progs |
| 13:18.07 | ZogG | Venemo, ping |
| 13:18.46 | Venemo | ZogG, pong |
| 13:18.49 | vladest | ok, how to define, which qt component version is installed on device? |
| 13:18.52 | deram | though, generally in video, the spatial average is not so badly needed as in stills, as temporal averaging happens in video compression |
| 13:19.13 | Venemo | btw, does anyone here have the white N9? |
| 13:21.18 | ZogG | Venemo, what cyrus_N9 said |
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| 13:22.13 | Venemo | ZogG, what? |
| 13:22.41 | unreal- | hello |
| 13:23.01 | jabis | motherF****** I managed to slash my finger with a beer can |
| 13:23.41 | ZogG | Venemo, maybe jabber client with irc-chatetr UI? |
| 13:23.42 | jabis | blood everywhere x) |
| 13:23.52 | ZogG | jabis, looooser |
| 13:24.16 | Venemo | ZogG, I'm unfamiliar with jabber, but should anyone make such a client, feel free to use my gui |
| 13:24.35 | jabis | ZogG: meh - look who's talking :P |
| 13:24.42 | dm8tbr | there is native xmpp support in harmattan, why an own app? |
| 13:24.47 | ZogG | cyrus_N9, want to try? |
| 13:24.58 | ZogG | dm8tbr, btw how can i add acout? |
| 13:25.15 | dm8tbr | ZogG: search the channel logs for mc-tool |
| 13:25.17 | X-Fade | I think you only need to write an account plugin? |
| 13:25.26 | ZogG | dm8tbr, and does it support confs? |
| 13:25.36 | dm8tbr | yes, I _still_ wait for someone to write that :) |
| 13:25.55 | dm8tbr | account-sso is OSS, just the ui bits are closed ffs |
| 13:26.02 | ZogG | dm8tbr, so we can use client with official tolls |
| 13:26.39 | dm8tbr | has no idea what 'confs' and 'tolls' are |
| 13:26.54 | cyrus_N9 | dm8tbr, conferences |
| 13:27.03 | cyrus_N9 | it is like rooms in irc |
| 13:27.29 | ZogG | tools* |
| 13:27.31 | dm8tbr | yeah, I'm familiar with jabber conferences. just thought he was talking about 'configs' or something |
| 13:27.59 | dm8tbr | does telepathy-gabble support them? |
| 13:28.00 | cyrus_N9 | vladest, apt-cache show doesn't work? |
| 13:28.02 | ZogG | no confs for conferences and tolls was mistypo |
| 13:28.17 | dm8tbr | if so then chances are good |
| 13:28.59 | ZogG | for me becaming a man? |
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| 13:39.00 | Venemo | I need to leave now; good afternoon everyone :) |
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| 13:48.01 | medri | does anyone know anything about a google voice plugin or program? really need it |
| 13:51.53 | flux | google voice plugin? |
| 13:53.51 | medri | yes for makinf calls through google voice |
| 13:54.11 | dm8tbr | medri: doesn't the gtalk plugin support that stuff? |
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| 13:56.02 | medri | dm8tbr: gtalk is for chat only afaik, I need the callback and text functions |
| 13:57.34 | dm8tbr | ic |
| 14:00.32 | medri | it's pretty useful for making free calls with a free sip number |
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| 14:08.04 | dm8tbr | medri: I use sip directly and have hundreds of free minutes to many destinations :) |
| 14:09.53 | medri | but texting is not possible trough sipgate.com |
| 14:11.50 | medri | imho sipgate.com (for free is number) and google voice for callbacks is ptetty good for texting and calling |
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| 14:17.18 | dm8tbr | uses XMPP for messaging, text is low volume so I wouldn't care about complicated solutions |
| 14:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | medri: texting not possible on sipgate? |
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| 14:25.57 | DocScrutinizer | kast time I checked sipgate had support for SMS with even a net API, and also did SIP INFO without problems |
| 14:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | what it doesn't is gateway SIP INFO to SMS |
| 14:30.39 | medri | i tried, but how should I do it from my N9? |
| 14:31.36 | medri | It worked so fwith the google voice plugin for conversations on the N900 |
| 14:31.51 | medri | *fine* |
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| 14:36.54 | ZogG_N9 | any mplayer remote control? |
| 14:37.10 | flux | terminal? |
| 14:37.38 | ZogG_N9 | flux, any |
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| 14:38.03 | flux | I mean |
| 14:38.19 | flux | ssh host.. mplayer stuff.. your controls are right there in the terminal :) |
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| 14:38.47 | ZogG_N9 | its already started from computer |
| 14:39.24 | flux | well, then your only option are regular remote use options, mplayer doesn't really provide a remote control interface once it's started |
| 14:39.41 | flux | maybe there's a vnc client around for n9, no idea.. |
| 14:39.44 | ZogG_N9 | can i get in playing one coz as far as i know i need to start it |
| 14:40.16 | ZogG_N9 | what are regulsr remote use? |
| 14:40.25 | flux | basically VNC. |
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| 14:41.01 | flux | zogg_n9, try NetView from the store? |
| 14:41.34 | flux | uh, actually never mind |
| 14:41.38 | flux | it is the other way round |
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| 14:42.14 | dm8tbr | there is a vlc remote control |
| 14:43.12 | ZogG_N9 | dm8tbr, thrre are too but did not succeed to connect |
| 14:43.33 | dm8tbr | worked fine for me |
| 14:43.39 | ZogG_N9 | and on pc main player is mplayer |
| 14:43.57 | dm8tbr | you need to enable the legacy http interface in vlc |
| 14:44.25 | dm8tbr | start mplayer via ssh then |
| 14:44.40 | ZogG_N9 | dm8tbr, did that worked from localhost |
| 14:45.01 | ZogG_N9 | and mplayer is running already |
| 14:46.22 | dm8tbr | so do I get this right? you have a prestarted mplayer that has NO remote control interface and blame the N9 for not being able to control it? |
| 14:47.01 | ZogG_N9 | did i blame! |
| 14:47.04 | ZogG_N9 | ? |
| 14:47.20 | ZogG_N9 | i asked if there is a way, thats all |
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| 14:47.34 | dm8tbr | your whining sounds llike it |
| 14:47.47 | ZogG_N9 | and already asked at mplayer if they have api |
| 14:48.08 | ZogG_N9 | dm8tbr, did u get minstruation man? |
| 14:48.43 | ZogG_N9 | i just asked, u can easly ignore my questions or ignore me |
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| 14:49.37 | ZogG_N9 | there are different members with different levels of knowledge so if u dont like it you are welcome to quit |
| 14:49.50 | ZogG_N9 | have a nice day |
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| 14:58.03 | Saz|Mobile | well that was irritating |
| 14:58.32 | Saz|Mobile | I had to set up sasl just to connect to feeenode |
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| 15:04.25 | ZogG_N9 | why is that? |
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| 15:05.23 | Saz|Mobile | freenode requires it for tmobile |
| 15:05.37 | Saz|Mobile | why I have no idea |
| 15:05.59 | ZogG_N9 | lol |
| 15:06.28 | Saz|Mobile | and the perl irssi script for sasl required modules not in harmattan |
| 15:06.57 | Saz|Mobile | thankfully the debian packages installed fine |
| 15:07.12 | artemma | why do you need irssi for harmattan? |
| 15:08.09 | Saz|Mobile | because there is no other irc.client |
| 15:08.25 | artemma | give communi a try ;) |
| 15:08.32 | artemma | https://twitter.com/#!/jpnurmi/status/133306885662183424 |
| 15:08.41 | Saz|Mobile | doubt that it supports sasl |
| 15:08.42 | artemma | I must to warn you though that it looks and works as a normal app |
| 15:09.05 | artemma | though if you are into console and text mode and irssi, communi may be of too much eye candy :) |
| 15:09.19 | artemma | doesn't even know what sasl is |
| 15:09.25 | Saz|Mobile | ugh, no copy paste or select through terminal |
| 15:09.42 | Saz|Mobile | thanks for that nokia |
| 15:10.02 | Saz|Mobile | gonna have to say google it then |
| 15:10.05 | artemma | like copy-paste works well elsewhere :) |
| 15:10.22 | Saz|Mobile | otherwise i would paste a link |
| 15:10.23 | ZogG_N9 | just read about sasl and frenode |
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| 15:10.47 | ZogG_N9 | just google for sasl wiki |
| 15:12.17 | ZogG_N9 | i use irc-chatter |
| 15:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | TADAAA 40-4 update complete |
| 15:13.20 | DocScrutinizer | only took like 60 min, a bit more maybe *cough* |
| 15:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | well, it takes some more minutes until it might get responsive again |
| 15:14.53 | dm8tbr | Saz|Mobile: try fingerterm, has both |
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| 15:17.19 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 15:18.15 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, flashed? |
| 15:18.52 | ZogG_N9 | or ota? |
| 15:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | that's always weird fun to watch a device act in slomo on events (like touch screen) that happened literally minutes in the past |
| 15:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | OTA |
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| 15:20.18 | SpeedEvil | 'No! I diddn't mean to send that message threatening the life of the president, I was just tapping randomly, and it diddn't react' |
| 15:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | only appstarter though, volume for example is really responsive |
| 15:20.39 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, u have german pr right? |
| 15:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think there's such a thing like a German PR |
| 15:21.36 | ZogG_N9 | what number? |
| 15:21.51 | ZogG_N9 | i still have no ota =) |
| 15:22.01 | ZogG_N9 | 005 |
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| 15:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | 001 iirc |
| 15:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | sorry can't check right now ;-P |
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| 15:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | hah the swipe came thru, I did it like 6 min ago |
| 15:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | sth must be running with terribly high prio and no waits at all - numbercrunching? |
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| 15:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | or does it try to grow a brain and achieve conscious state? |
| 15:27.00 | SpeedEvil | That's one of the things Aegis protects against. |
| 15:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
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| 15:29.52 | nid0 | so, my n9 just showed up finally, apparently its an aussie import and thus no pr1.1 yet, whats the best way atm for getting harmattan to a sensible firmware variant and up to date? |
| 15:29.54 | DocScrutinizer | OK N9 right under the USB is a pretty good magnet, strong enough t pick up screws |
| 15:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: wait |
| 15:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | DANG I'm temped to shut it down *hard* |
| 15:31.55 | mgedmin | thrashing due to low memory? |
| 15:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | hah, quim online |
| 15:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: nfc, how would I tell? |
| 15:33.46 | DocScrutinizer | nuff isanuff, 20 min in semi-stale state. Hard shutdown due |
| 15:34.09 | ZogG_N9 | reboot |
| 15:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHAHA locking it "accidentally" with the powerbutton fixed things |
| 15:37.26 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: How else do you think the compass works? It's a big magnet, with a couple of optical encoders. |
| 15:37.30 | SpeedEvil | (not really) |
| 15:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 15:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | honestly I really wonder how compas can work next to this friggin earpiece transducer |
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| 15:38.25 | SpeedEvil | 1/r^3 is a wonderful thing. |
| 15:38.30 | SpeedEvil | Or is it 4. |
| 15:38.49 | SpeedEvil | It's the subtraction of two squares, which must be a cube. |
| 15:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | well, sorry to spoil your hopes, but other end is speaker and exactly same monster magnet mess |
| 15:39.35 | SpeedEvil | They must cancel! |
| 15:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | prolly |
| 15:40.00 | SpeedEvil | Though actually, the zero level is set to the current 'background' radiation. |
| 15:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | I guess they use the speaker magnets to even calibrate the compass' misguidance |
| 15:40.34 | SpeedEvil | The only reason a constant field causes issues is if various bitts of magnetic metal approach it, and disturb the field. |
| 15:40.42 | SpeedEvil | The field generated by the magnets. |
| 15:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | haha start screen with charge icon next to time |
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| 15:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | MEH reboot |
| 15:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | led patterns are really awkward now |
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| 15:46.49 | DocScrutinizer | developer mode list of dev-pkgs fails to scroll when you tap the left 2/3 |
| 15:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | you *always* click any of those pkgs |
| 15:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | scrolling on right 1/3 where those "installed" "installed" are, works |
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| 15:49.24 | BluesLee | hi, is there a way to get rid of the n9 kbd in some situations? |
| 15:50.06 | mgedmin | you can swipe it down to hide it |
| 15:50.29 | mgedmin | that probably won't work when you've swype enabled |
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| 15:51.32 | BluesLee | mgedmin: thats cool |
| 15:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | shall I sync with my unknown neighbour's Nokia 5530 XpressMusic, over BT? X-P |
| 15:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | or better with Nokia6300? |
| 15:52.03 | BluesLee | mgedmin: there is an issue with search/swype kbd in qmltube |
| 15:52.34 | BluesLee | mgedmin: but switching to the default kbd is the solution, thanx |
| 15:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | 15 updates, size 666.6MB, KTNXBY |
| 15:59.28 | gri | hmpf, no updates for me :( |
| 16:01.49 | dm8tbr | mgedmin: managed to swipe swype away once or twice, really tricky as it swypes up all swipes into swypes... |
| 16:02.02 | mgedmin | swhat? |
| 16:02.18 | dm8tbr | you can hide swype, it's just tricky |
| 16:02.48 | dm8tbr | you can even swipe the keyboard layouts, including swype, it's also tricky |
| 16:03.09 | mgedmin | with swipe it often matters if you begin the gesture inside the screen or outside of it |
| 16:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | swhy son't sou swype srom swype swo swackswace? |
| 16:03.33 | dm8tbr | ack and with swype in play it's even more tricky |
| 16:03.36 | mgedmin | I noticed that I was unable to swipe out applications when I started a horizontal swipe low enough in the screen, where it intersected my vkb |
| 16:03.53 | mgedmin | this is probably used to switch input methods, if you've more than one ? |
| 16:04.06 | mgedmin | I did swipe swype away a couple of times |
| 16:04.14 | mgedmin | no Lithuanian support in swype |
| 16:04.48 | dm8tbr | artemma: I just noticed, you store the background in /var/tmp - that gets wiped on reboot resulting in black background. probably hard to fix? |
| 16:05.12 | dm8tbr | uses the UK (swype) layout 99% of the time anyway |
| 16:05.39 | mgedmin | /var/tmp, according to FHS, is a place that's not supposed to be erased on boot |
| 16:05.59 | dm8tbr | the remaining 1% splits between pl, de and fi |
| 16:06.01 | mgedmin | but not a good place for persistent files... |
| 16:06.42 | dm8tbr | mgedmin: the file is transient, but should survive reboots as it's the device lock screen background. which is cycled from time to time |
| 16:07.55 | RST38h | moos |
| 16:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | ok, at least during dl/update/install this N9 is worse than N810 regarding responsiveness |
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| 16:10.10 | RST38h | Doc: probably also depends on the size of package caches |
| 16:10.33 | RST38h | Doc: N900's HAM has become absolutely useless nowadays, with so many packages in the repos |
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| 16:11.22 | DocScrutinizer | well, I can't even swipe to another screen from this download display |
| 16:12.12 | mgedmin | wow |
| 16:12.31 | mgedmin | something's not right there |
| 16:12.51 | mgedmin | I didn't notice anything like that while I installed those 666 megs of updates |
| 16:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | well, I can, 1 of 5 swipes works, when done slowly and thoroughly |
| 16:13.19 | mgedmin | I did have some fun with messageserver eating 100% cpu until I disabled periodic email checking |
| 16:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | OOH it's just he notorious "c-ts fails when on charger" issue |
| 16:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | unplugged USB charger, everything smooth again |
| 16:15.42 | DocScrutinizer | AHAAAAA! Related to my "noname" USW wallwart charger |
| 16:15.46 | Sput | hmm. is it possible to change the N9xx theme to "inverted"? I've heard people mention it in the context of energy saving, but also I think the few things that already have a black background (such as the notification screen) look awesome |
| 16:15.50 | DocScrutinizer | USB |
| 16:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | actually branded "LogiLink" |
| 16:16.40 | DocScrutinizer | with a nice 2color LED |
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| 16:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | probably I could send SOS with this crap, if only I plug in a 2m USB cable |
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| 16:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | wonders where his 50+g ferrite beads gone |
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| 16:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | how to switch that friggin green on black in xterm? |
| 16:21.14 | dm8tbr | context menu, topright |
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| 16:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | nm, found the menu |
| 16:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | thns dm8tbr |
| 16:21.52 | dm8tbr | np |
| 16:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | /home/user/TIMED-BACKUP 672 user users 644 |
| 16:24.27 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
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| 16:32.03 | mgedmin | cat it, it's some text dbus shit |
| 16:32.29 | mgedmin | why oh why doesn't irc let me use different nicks on different channels? |
| 16:32.45 | mgedmin | wants to change it to grumpy_mgedmin, but doesn't want to spam all the channels he's on |
| 16:33.02 | Clint | redesign irc |
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| 16:50.39 | Saz|Mobile | yeah commumi doesnt do sasl |
| 16:51.02 | Saz|Mobile | so i cant use it to connect to freenode |
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| 16:56.13 | ZogG | hmm found out there are updates on ovi store for apps i have and no notifications ot in manager not in top panel =( |
| 16:58.00 | X-Fade | ZogG: Like I told you earlier today :) |
| 16:58.18 | X-Fade | ZogG: Because they can't use the cool things apt-get has to offer :) |
| 16:59.41 | ZogG | X-Fade just tried apt-get update and got error on apps.formeego.com and downloads.maemo.nokia.com/harmattan/005 |
| 16:59.53 | ZogG | it makes only more to want to reflash to 001 |
| 17:00.18 | X-Fade | ZogG: We don't use apps.formeego.com? It is .org |
| 17:00.30 | ZogG | couldn't verify coz public key unavaliable |
| 17:00.42 | ZogG | still not on pr1.1, can it be related ? |
| 17:00.45 | X-Fade | Yeah, that is just a warning. |
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| 17:01.06 | X-Fade | That will be added to the policy package which will come from nokia. |
| 17:01.59 | ZogG | X-Fade, right it is org =) |
| 17:02.02 | ZogG | stil error |
| 17:02.14 | X-Fade | ZogG: W: or E: |
| 17:03.37 | ZogG | W: but Err on https://donloads.maemo.nokia ./ Packages and E: Some index files failed to download. they have been ignore or old one used instead |
| 17:04.15 | X-Fade | ZogG: Can you paste the real warnings/errors somwhere? |
| 17:04.30 | X-Fade | Without that it is very hard to help you out. |
| 17:04.44 | ZogG | wha is ope-service0? |
| 17:04.56 | ZogG | it upgrades it |
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| 17:14.12 | ZogG_N9 | X-Fade, exectlly copy as i wrote |
| 17:21.50 | ZogG_N9 | ~ping |
| 17:21.50 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 17:38.14 | ZogG_N9 | timeouts |
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| 17:44.59 | unreal- | Mmmm, twitter integration seems quite flakey |
| 17:46.11 | phako | unreal-: as in? |
| 17:46.11 | unreal- | I add twitter, I see my twitter contacts in Contacts, and then I reboot the phone and all twitter contacts disappear... |
| 17:46.25 | phako | are you online after reboot? |
| 17:46.45 | unreal- | as in "connected to the internet"? |
| 17:46.49 | phako | yes |
| 17:46.55 | unreal- | yes, wifi or 3g |
| 17:47.15 | unreal- | and the twitter Feed is updated |
| 17:47.31 | unreal- | just contacts disappear |
| 17:47.51 | unreal- | I had to use this trick to get it connect to twitter in the first place : http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Nokia-n9-built-in-twitter-app-not-working/m-p/1203359#M28779 |
| 17:50.02 | phako | hm, never have seen that. |
| 17:50.36 | phako | twitter contacts is a complex topic due to mostly non-technical reasons |
| 17:51.12 | unreal- | something to do with twitter api? |
| 17:52.42 | phako | no |
| 17:52.52 | phako | non-technical |
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| 17:54.09 | ZogG-laptop | hey |
| 17:54.15 | phako | unreal-: you might want to check http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79023 and/or comment there |
| 17:55.03 | ZogG-laptop | i used pc suite and it shows update to new pr1.1, should i wait for ota or go for it? |
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| 18:02.11 | ZogG-laptop | hmm |
| 18:02.21 | ZogG-laptop | jonni |
| 18:02.23 | ZogG-laptop | ping |
| 18:03.46 | Sazpaimon_ | just tried to use the windows virtual keyboard via rdesktop on my N9 |
| 18:03.58 | Sazpaimon_ | oh my god, the keyboard is almost 400 pixels high |
| 18:04.03 | Sazpaimon_ | it takes up the entire screen |
| 18:04.21 | unreal- | phako: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1120223&postcount=117 |
| 18:04.29 | Sazpaimon_ | and it doesnt do letter magnification, so you cant see what letters you are pushing |
| 18:04.39 | Sazpaimon_ | there must be an alternative vkb program for windows thats optimized for low res displays |
| 18:05.02 | phako | unreal-: yes? |
| 18:05.09 | unreal- | phako: a bet he rebooted the phone after restoring a backup, et bam, gone again ;) |
| 18:05.34 | unreal- | phako: looks a lot like my problem, don't you think? |
| 18:05.40 | phako | unreal-: no |
| 18:05.48 | phako | unreal-: I doubt it |
| 18:06.29 | unreal- | after reading again... maybe not |
| 18:06.48 | unreal- | i might have read his post a bit fast |
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| 18:16.57 | matrixx | X-Fade: I created a subproject for my themechanger app on cobs, but now I'm stuck when adding targets |
| 18:17.04 | matrixx | X-Fade: which one I should choose for harmattan? |
| 18:17.06 | mgedmin | is there a vnc client for the n9? |
| 18:17.38 | matrixx | mgedmin: there's netview |
| 18:18.31 | mgedmin | that's the vnc server, I believe |
| 18:18.38 | mgedmin | it lets me view my n9 on a desktop |
| 18:18.42 | mgedmin | I want to view my desktop on the n9 |
| 18:18.48 | matrixx | oh it's that way around |
| 18:18.52 | matrixx | I didn't try that out yet |
| 18:19.38 | mgedmin | the n9 screen is higher than my laptop screen, pixel-wise |
| 18:19.55 | mgedmin | and I my vnc (TightVNC) client doesn't support rotation |
| 18:20.09 | mgedmin | so when I launch a landscape-only app on the n9, it doesn't work well |
| 18:20.23 | mgedmin | landscape is the unloved stepsister screen orientation in harmattan |
| 18:20.31 | mgedmin | can't use the Qt Simulator in landscape |
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| 18:46.44 | gabriel9 | howds |
| 18:47.12 | gabriel9 | why i cant design qml files in qt creator |
| 18:47.13 | gabriel9 | ? |
| 18:47.35 | gabriel9 | i created qt quick app and set Harmattan target |
| 18:48.19 | gabriel9 | i see two files: main.qml and Mainpage.qml |
| 18:48.51 | gabriel9 | also where do i put my js files in project? |
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| 18:58.36 | mgedmin | I don't think Qt Designer supports QML apps for the N9 |
| 18:59.00 | mgedmin | Don't know about JS files; put them in the same subdirectory as QML files perhaps? |
| 18:59.14 | mgedmin | or avoid them altogether and put your JS directly into QML files? |
| 19:00.01 | mgedmin | I'm sort of a noob myself; here's the best I could come up with during the Vienna hackathon: https://github.com/mgedmin/qml-time-tracker |
| 19:03.19 | gabriel9 | strange |
| 19:03.38 | gabriel9 | how can it not suport qml apps |
| 19:03.42 | gabriel9 | i just deployed one |
| 19:03.43 | gabriel9 | :) |
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| 19:05.00 | mgedmin | I mean the WYSIWYG GUI designer tool |
| 19:05.15 | mgedmin | I'm new to Qt, and all the names baffle and confuse me |
| 19:06.26 | gabriel9 | me to :D |
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| 19:08.15 | gabriel9 | i think that i saw that qt creator support qml for harmattan |
| 19:08.29 | gabriel9 | but i can't remeber which version |
| 19:09.09 | mgedmin | qt creator definitely supports harmattan, since at least 1.1.2 |
| 19:09.20 | mgedmin | from 1.1.4, I believe, harmattan support is no longer in beta |
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| 19:22.54 | nix-cyrus | Is there any global twit-hashtag for new and yummy applications for N9? |
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| 19:24.58 | ZogG | hey |
| 19:25.39 | ZogG | a have a quick question, after update (used pc suite) i do restore and all i see the list of apps i restore maually one by one, anyway to do restore all? |
| 19:26.55 | gabriel9 | ZogG |
| 19:26.57 | gabriel9 | ping |
| 19:27.37 | gabriel9 | you updated ypur N9 using PcSuite? |
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| 19:29.10 | gabriel9 | ZogG ping |
| 19:29.51 | jonni | ZogG: you need to restore one by one, restore all might come in pr1.2 |
| 19:31.08 | gabriel9 | ok, so i ask now all of you? How to update N9? |
| 19:31.14 | gabriel9 | it does not offer any updates |
| 19:31.35 | ZogG | gabriel9, yes |
| 19:31.48 | ZogG | gabriel9 you have 3 options |
| 19:31.58 | gabriel9 | tell me :) |
| 19:32.10 | ZogG | 1)wait coz update would come to all contries operators and versions in 2 weeks |
| 19:32.32 | ZogG | 2)Pc Suite or straight download nokiaupdatesoftware and use it |
| 19:32.36 | ZogG | 3)flash |
| 19:32.52 | gabriel9 | i buy my from some dealer who bougt it somewhere in EU |
| 19:33.30 | ZogG | i used pcsuite, update went well, though pc suite after reboot said it failed, i think it's just it doesn't know if it succeeded or failed |
| 19:33.43 | gabriel9 | hm i tried with nokia software updater and it does not offer update |
| 19:34.30 | gabriel9 | strange |
| 19:35.35 | gabriel9 | 10.2011.34-1.340.01.1_PR_340 |
| 19:37.30 | nix-cyrus | btw found some info about video zoom-recording http://foolab.org/node/7895 |
| 19:37.56 | nix-cyrus | ZogG pcsuite under win? |
| 19:43.17 | gabriel9 | ZogG where did you download pcsuite for N9? |
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| 19:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | tell you, this Nokia account creation wizard is braindamaged. It's asking for a *mail-addr* - what the F do I know about the domain part of my new nokia account. Or do they think I'd give them mailaddr and password of an existing account at $random_provider?? Anyway neither the helptext nor the manual is any help for that |
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| 19:57.00 | DocScrutinizer | and of course "I agree Nokia will send me tips and offers per email AND *SMS*" - HAH |
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| 20:13.23 | thp | DocScrutinizer: there's actually a trick to avoid creating a nokia account (like create account, don't have an e-mail address, skip) |
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| 20:19.14 | Sazpaimon__ | is there an API example of having a scrollbar where you can only scroll by touching the scrollbar itself and not the actual window |
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| 20:21.19 | Sazpaimon__ | basically a behavior of a classic scroll bar |
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| 21:14.21 | ZogG_N9 | http://p.twimg.com/Ad_6M-sCIAAzhW9.png |
| 21:14.36 | ZogG_N9 | what can be wrong? |
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| 21:16.41 | ZogG_N9 | btw what is this icon? http://p.twimg.com/Ad_2sPmCMAAHUq7.png:med |
| 21:17.10 | mgedmin | why do I see a blank page when I click on those links? |
| 21:17.35 | mgedmin | an image flashes briefly, then disappears |
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| 21:19.05 | nix-cyrus | too many zoggs here, isn't it?)) |
| 21:19.55 | mgedmin | works in firefox, though |
| 21:21.19 | matrixx | X-Fade: now I have my app ready compiled in cobs with the necessary screenshots and such, what do I need to do now to get it in apps.formeego.org? :) |
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| 21:21.57 | ZogG_N9 | i dont know =( |
| 21:22.06 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, ping |
| 21:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N9: pong |
| 21:38.24 | mosty | anyone have an example harmattan source package that i can look at to see how/where to run aegis-manifest? |
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| 21:51.50 | jonni | mosty: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_Security_guide_Aegis_manifest_file_generation_tool.html |
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| 21:56.41 | ZogG_N9 | damn |
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| 21:57.24 | ZogG_N9 | now after reboot icon is green |
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| 21:58.35 | ZogG_N9 | can i check what apps i have in launcher and order? |
| 21:59.07 | mosty | jonni, i've tried reading that page a few times, but i think i'm missing something. if i run aegis-manifest . foo inside the directory that my deb package is built from, it returns with no error and there is no file foo created |
| 21:59.50 | ZogG_N9 | anyone? |
| 22:08.12 | nix-cyrus | ZogG_N9: noone |
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| 22:20.40 | gabriel9 | i want my updates |
| 22:21.26 | gabriel9 | can i install nano on N) |
| 22:21.29 | gabriel9 | N9 |
| 22:23.20 | nix-cyrus | gabriel9: yes you can |
| 22:23.58 | gabriel9 | nice |
| 22:26.23 | gabriel9 | i tried to create simple app |
| 22:26.43 | gabriel9 | and for now i just created icon, which is nice and textarea |
| 22:29.51 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, |
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| 22:59.34 | mgedmin | vim is better than nano ;) |
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| 23:04.54 | Tronic | Magnetized needle ja butterflies! |
| 23:05.00 | Tronic | s/ja/and/ |
| 23:06.49 | nix-cyrus | mgedmin: vim is nice.. but why there is no emacs for N9? :) |
| 23:07.13 | ajalkane | Emacs is an OS. N9's OS is Harmattan. |
| 23:08.06 | Tronic | I was trying to skip all of that. |
| 23:11.35 | nix-cyrus | ajalkane: so.. dual boot :D |
| 23:12.47 | ajalkane | nix-cyrus: yeah, dual-booting should be possible since PR1.1 so we're all set for Emacs :) |
| 23:13.00 | nix-cyrus | :) |
| 23:14.28 | ZogG_N9 | i downloaded vim, not working, though without hw kbrd vim wouldnt be tge same |
| 23:14.55 | ZogG_N9 | nix-cyrus, btw get screenshotmee, nice app |
| 23:15.32 | nix-cyrus | ZogG_N9: vi is default app |
| 23:15.41 | ZogG_N9 | nix-cyrus, ok i have few ideas for small apps |
| 23:16.11 | nix-cyrus | ZogG_N9: I think we should make twit-hashtag to share nice apps for N9 |
| 23:16.13 | ZogG_N9 | nix-cyrus, we need to start learning, tomorrow ill have free time |
| 23:16.41 | ZogG_N9 | nix-cyrus, n9yummy? |
| 23:17.07 | nix-cyrus | ZogG_N9: it sound nice) |
| 23:17.48 | nix-cyrus | app-name: {small description} {url to app} #n9yummy |
| 23:21.12 | ZogG_N9 | my twit is closed anyway |
| 23:23.59 | nix-cyrus | hm.. yeah it's the problem. |
| 23:24.25 | nix-cyrus | I hope new repository with full N9-apps will make soon |
| 23:26.54 | tomma | how easy it is to update in apps.formeego.org? |
| 23:27.04 | tomma | update app in |
| 23:33.09 | tomma | aaa... it uses obs |
| 23:33.10 | mgedmin | ZoG_N9, which vim did you download? |
| 23:33.16 | mgedmin | I've working vim on my n9, works fine with the vkb |
| 23:33.44 | mgedmin | the builtin vi is a piece of ... busybox |
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| 23:40.42 | ZogG_N9 | mgedmin, link me |
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| 23:41.05 | mgedmin | ZogG_N9, http://mg.pov.lt/770/dists/harmattan/user/binary-armel/vim_7.3.260-1_armel.deb |
| 23:41.56 | ZogG_N9 | mgedmin, maybe u can upload it to apps.formeego ? |
| 23:42.14 | mgedmin | are there easy to read step-by-step instructions? |
| 23:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG_N9: |
| 23:45.50 | ZogG_N9 | DocScrutinizer, had few question, but only one left |
| 23:45.56 | nix-cyrus | mgedmin: thnx. I'll check it out tomorrow) |
| 23:46.38 | DocScrutinizer | where to get a 600g angus filet steak at night 1h |
| 23:46.47 | ZogG_N9 | there is command for bots to pm you 20 last sentences if you timeouted |
| 23:46.51 | mgedmin | there's this OBS repository for community packages (that I don't know how to use either), and I think someone has already uploaded vim there |
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| 23:47.08 | mgedmin | this is why I was inquiring about the not-working vim you said you downloaded from somewhere |
| 23:47.40 | ZogG_N9 | mgedmin, nope, they are on rzr repo maybe and would be ported later |
| 23:47.52 | jpnurmi | using the meego qml components, is it possible to force the software input panel to stay open even if i click outside a TextField element? |
| 23:48.01 | ZogG_N9 | for now it has 4 apps only |
| 23:48.06 | mgedmin | rzr repo is what I had in mind; I'd forgotten the name |
| 23:51.29 | ZogG_N9 | damn with music control on lockscreen there is no time |
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