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| 04:24.26 | bindi | nngh |
| 04:24.29 | bindi | I really want a N950 |
| 04:24.52 | bindi | N900 getting old, N9 is nice but no hw kb... |
| 04:36.24 | iekku | morning |
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| 04:52.34 | meegomy | morning~ |
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| 05:04.28 | ieatlint | discovered his tv has an undocumented mostly xml-based remote control interface |
| 05:04.46 | Stskeeps | ooh, hackability :P |
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| 05:06.18 | ieatlint | i already have a basic app written and working on my n950 |
| 05:06.42 | ieatlint | but the android app has cursor support, using much of the screen as a touchpad using a binary protocol over udp |
| 05:07.00 | ieatlint | still, lg is apparently awesome |
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| 05:25.35 | flux | jaffa, are you 'jaffasoftware', the author of Bedside?-) |
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| 05:26.47 | flux | well, going with that assumption, here's a bug report: it shouldn't disable screensaver when the application is in the background. |
| 05:27.14 | flux | otherwise a nice clock I can see at night without bending closer to my phone and without glasses :) |
| 05:28.52 | flux | (apparently the store doesn't have a real channel for bug reports, which I guess is the reason the reviews sometimes have them) |
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| 06:31.32 | meegomy | anyone build a control for notification light? |
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| 06:41.54 | sandst1 | meegomy: not doable, because aegis blocks controlling the led. http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy |
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| 07:02.10 | Hq` | hmm... are my ears deformed or are the nokia earphones just really shitty |
| 07:02.19 | Hq` | uncomfortable as hell |
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| 07:08.50 | meegomy | sandst1: i not sure bout this, but someone did that |
| 07:08.54 | meegomy | http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/10/led-event-notifier-nokia-n950-meego-harmattan/ |
| 07:09.13 | mece | meegomy, he disabled aegis for that. |
| 07:10.44 | mece | and the method described only worked in beta 1 |
| 07:11.16 | RST38h | yawns |
| 07:11.25 | meegomy | its not working for this PR1.1? |
| 07:11.27 | RST38h | EHLO GENTLEMEN |
| 07:12.06 | mece | meegomy, I don't think so. You can't load server modules as you could through a hack in beta1 |
| 07:12.23 | mece | RST38h, \o |
| 07:12.47 | meegomy | that's mean why they wana have aegis for developer device? |
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| 07:31.41 | iekku | RST38h, :( |
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| 07:38.47 | jkk | meegomy: my guess, to make the device behave as close as possible to the consumer device |
| 07:41.44 | meegomy | that is funny, they want us to develop apps for meego device & yet they dun allow us to unlock aegis |
| 07:42.10 | meegomy | locking the potential |
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| 07:44.04 | deram | aegis probably is needed for some certification for cellular network usage... disabling it could offend some legistlation |
| 07:44.32 | deram | but why make it so strict, one can not program the only led to do what he wants stuns me |
| 07:45.23 | meegomy | deram: exactly... |
| 07:45.36 | Hq` | there's not really that much use for the led on the N9 since the display can show notifications all the time |
| 07:45.40 | meegomy | what we could do for the led notification? |
| 07:46.40 | deram | Hq`: that is true.. And I guess the display use (atleast in N9 amoled display) does not drain any more power than the regular led would |
| 07:46.51 | meegomy | but n950 is LCD, the whole screen go blanks on standby mode |
| 07:47.40 | meegomy | for that simple led control, yet they wana restrict it |
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| 07:49.48 | deram | my guess would be that the led control is tied somehow to the battery charging circuit, and control for it would be hard to separate from other controls... In my book, that is probably the only reason this restriction is even worth coding in the first place |
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| 07:51.06 | meegomy | the led is just a simple script, i've tried with my E7 as well |
| 07:51.28 | meegomy | now my E7 have both front & top led notification |
| 07:51.41 | deram | but the simple script has to call some hardware features |
| 07:55.20 | deram | anything as simple as "echo 1 > /sys/class/led/led0/state" can be tied to something more in the hardware... It could be tat the whole chip is under some "powermanager capability" (don't actually know) and unimplementing the restriction for the led would have been the more work |
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| 08:04.02 | meegomy | hmm |
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| 08:06.27 | deram | I could be complete off on this, just a thought |
| 08:07.37 | ieatlint | aegis has no purpose to satisfy any network usage restrictions |
| 08:07.59 | ieatlint | the only controlled aspects of the network usage are done in the cellular modem |
| 08:08.19 | ieatlint | which has a different cpu and firmware |
| 08:09.07 | ieatlint | harmattan sends commands to the modem via an AT command set (like the old dialup modem days, but with a much much more extended command set), and via a couple other channels |
| 08:09.52 | ieatlint | further proof that aegis doesn't serve this purpose is in that the n900 didn't have it, and that you can replace harmattan on the n950 and still have access to the modem |
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| 08:10.28 | ieatlint | nokia would tell you that it exists to prevent malicious programs from doing things on your phone |
| 08:11.08 | ieatlint | but yeah, the status led is ridiculous regardless of what aegis is supposed to do |
| 08:13.09 | RST38h | they should have put an rgb led there |
| 08:13.28 | RST38h | just a few extra cents and that thing would become so much more useful |
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| 08:16.07 | RST38h | moorning, lardman |
| 08:29.41 | meegomy | RST38h: u r damn right |
| 08:30.45 | meegomy | how exp rgb led could be? |
| 08:31.38 | deram | depends on the circuit driving it.. if it only has 1 channel led driver, the rgb would require another circuit to be selected |
| 08:34.24 | dm8tbr | ieatlint: it would have been easy to lock down the CMT from being used by an os not running in secure but open mode. be grateful they wanted to do MOSLO and so had to leave that open. |
| 08:34.42 | deram | if it has 3 channels, it would be only the led.. below $1 per unit... |
| 08:35.43 | meegomy | sigh |
| 08:46.02 | Tuju | is there a reason why flasher is not packaged for fedora? |
| 08:48.57 | flux | if there was a reason other than "nobody's done it", I would be surprised :) |
| 08:49.09 | flux | (personally, I just use the binary) |
| 08:51.15 | Tuju | so there's no licensing issue? |
| 08:51.51 | Tuju | i'm asking since i could do it. |
| 08:52.01 | flux | did you mean it would be packaged in the actual fedora distribution, just just having an RPM package? |
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| 08:52.12 | Tuju | if there's an obvious reason why it's a bad idea, no point to waste time. |
| 08:52.14 | flux | I'm not sure, but I doubt closed source software can go into fedora proper |
| 08:52.23 | Tuju | so it's closed. |
| 08:52.45 | flux | afaik yes |
| 09:03.44 | meegomy | i still thinking the way to replace the LCD to AMOLED |
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| 09:37.04 | flux | is there powertop for n9 around? |
| 09:40.48 | awallin_ | what is powertop? |
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| 09:42.31 | flux | n900 had it, it gives a good estimate if something is consuming too much battery |
| 09:42.40 | flux | in terms of how many wakeups per second they cause |
| 09:42.44 | flux | and in which power save mode the CPU is in |
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| 10:45.57 | Frye | Has someone actaully managed to set up youtube account for N9? It complains for my username or password, but they are 100% correct. |
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| 10:47.00 | clbr | Frye: I can't setup twitter, somehow the twitter-servers are not reachable. wondering if these are aegis-sideeffect. I'll try to completely reset the phone later today |
| 10:47.10 | Frye | ok |
| 10:47.20 | Frye | I got facebook & bunchf of other stuff done |
| 10:47.30 | Frye | but youtube does not seem to go in |
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| 10:48.43 | clbr | can't explain it, ping to api.twitter.com works, but the app just refuses to download top trends and login |
| 10:49.21 | Frye | ok |
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| 10:52.00 | Kaadlajk | Frye: just tried, cant login to youtube |
| 10:53.11 | Frye | yeah, login works with the browser, just not for the app. |
| 10:53.16 | Frye | or the account |
| 10:53.42 | Frye | Hmm |
| 10:54.30 | decibyte | i was able to setup a youtube account just now |
| 10:54.52 | Frye | hmm |
| 10:55.00 | Frye | maybe it's because of my "strong" password =) |
| 10:55.05 | Frye | I'll try to reduce some chars |
| 10:55.14 | Frye | btw I have N9 with pr1.0 |
| 10:56.45 | decibyte | mine says... PR_001...? |
| 10:57.19 | Frye | well yeah mine says that too actually |
| 10:57.26 | Frye | form week 34 |
| 10:57.51 | decibyte | mine too. if that's what the 34 means :) |
| 10:58.09 | Frye | =) |
| 10:58.36 | decibyte | i wonder what's in that qr code? |
| 10:58.45 | Frye | Ha! |
| 10:58.53 | Frye | I have two way authentication set up for my account |
| 10:59.06 | Frye | So youtube app needs to have an app specific password generated for it. |
| 10:59.12 | decibyte | ahh |
| 10:59.19 | Frye | but the web login can use the password directly |
| 11:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | ( <deram> if it has 3 channels, it would be only the led.. below $1 per unit...) it has 3 chan (LP5521/3) and it's <<$1/unit |
| 11:12.33 | DocScrutinizer | flux: apt-cache search profiler |
| 11:13.51 | DocScrutinizer | >>energy-profiler - Nokia Energy Profiler is a tool for monitoring power consumption of the device.<< |
| 11:14.33 | flux | docscrutinizer, it doesn't say which processes cause the most wakeups, though? |
| 11:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | umm, I havent completely checked it out |
| 11:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | >>devtools-power - Power analysis tools << |
| 11:16.46 | deram | DocScrutinizer: yep.. that white one they installed there might even cost the actual same amount than a cheap rgb would... |
| 11:16.49 | flux | it's a metapackage that depends only on energy-profiler |
| 11:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 11:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | >>devtools-power-resource - Power/Resource Analysis developer tools metapackage<< |
| 11:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | leme do some nasty... ;-D |
| 11:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | surprise surprise :-/ |
| 11:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# ./powertop |
| 11:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | Powertop 1.13.3 |
| 11:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | status: Unknown job: pmtrackerdaemon |
| 11:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 11:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | unlike other N900 binaries powertop seems a bit unhappy on N950 |
| 11:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | open("/sys/devices/platform/serial8250.0/sleep_timeout", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 11:23.26 | DocScrutinizer | --- {si_signo=SIGSEGV, si_code=SEGV_MAPERR, si_addr=0} (Segmentation fault) --- |
| 11:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | +++ killed by SIGSEGV (core dumped) +++ |
| 11:23.29 | DocScrutinizer | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 11:24.46 | deram | DocScrutinizer: LP5521/3 specs recommends that chip also to be used for generating vibration motor patterns... Do you know is this the case in N9* or are the two other programmable outpus still unused? |
| 11:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 11:25.59 | deram | http://www.national.com/pf/LP/LP5521.html#Overview |
| 11:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | never seen any vibrator mentioned in any data sheet or other specs of neither LP5521 nor LP5523 |
| 11:26.41 | deram | in bottom, applications list |
| 11:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | wow. No they definitely use twl4030 for vibra |
| 11:27.37 | deram | ok, so there should be no reason for those unused led drivers to be occupied |
| 11:27.49 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check |
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| 11:28.10 | deram | unless those drive the N950 backlight (either display or keyboard) |
| 11:30.01 | DocScrutinizer | haha they use a dedicated vibra amp, not twl4030 |
| 11:31.30 | DocScrutinizer | and N1370 LED DRIVER uses a pin called "R" (pin# C1) for driving LED. G and B should be unused |
| 11:34.16 | DocScrutinizer | all this for N9, nfc about N950 |
| 11:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | I think in N950 they use a LP5523 and drive the kbd backlight from that, like they did on N900 |
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| 11:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# find /sys -name brightness |
| 11:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-2/2-0032/leds/lp5523:channel0/brightness |
| 11:37.12 | DocScrutinizer | /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-2/2-0032/leds/lp5523:channel1/brightness |
| 11:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | ... |
| 11:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | channel0..8 though some missing in between. Yeah that's kbd and should also be indicator LED |
| 11:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | though I didn't achieve to fire the indi LED via /sys/devices/platform/i2c_omap.2/i2c-2/2-0032/leds/lp5523 |
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| 11:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | fun bit: the LP552x driver chip EN(able) is hooked to a OMAP SoC GPIO in N9 |
| 11:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | umm ...same as in N900 |
| 12:01.22 | DocScrutinizer | the problem with N950 is: all this is highly specific regarding the type of twl4030 they use - on N9 they use the TPS65951 variant which has no kbd muxer and a lot of new stuff around USB charging (ond probably no vibra driver). Alas for this chip there's no datasheet to be found: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=32596&postcount=9. On N950 it's unclear but likely they used TPS65950 variant like on N900, if only for the kbd driver |
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| 12:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | if it's TPS65950 on N950 then the actual circuit around USB is highly obscured and hard to find out details |
| 12:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | indicator light is somewhat related to USB charging, thus I can't tell for sure what they did on N950 with the indi LED |
| 12:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | just the sysfs nodes clearly indicate it's a LP5523 like on N900 |
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| 12:06.20 | decibyte | wow! i love this all this geek speaking :) |
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| 12:09.37 | DocScrutinizer | decibyte: sorry but your nice clean abstract software runs on dirty real hardware, and it doesn't help denying that fact. Without proper knowledge about each single detail of the hw you can't write drivers for it, can't properly use those drivers either, and so on your clean abstract software are at mercy of those who wrote and provided the high level bindings for you |
| 12:09.44 | Frye | There is one huge downside in N9 though |
| 12:09.56 | Frye | I have hard time working as I'd much rather play with it =) |
| 12:11.38 | decibyte | DocScrutinizer: i'm perfectly aware of that. what i said was meant as a compliment. |
| 12:11.59 | deram | Frye: yep.. would need timelock for sdk-connection ;) |
| 12:12.07 | Frye | something like that |
| 12:12.28 | Frye | Or the device could just turn laggy S40 clone during office hours or so |
| 12:12.53 | Frye | well S40 is not usually laggy but still |
| 12:12.55 | Frye | lol |
| 12:13.43 | deram | that could be arranged... though it might also limit the uptime a bit... just run a forkbomb or similiar script in it |
| 12:14.35 | Frye | =) |
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| 12:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | decibyte: aah, thought I smelled some sarcasm |
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| 12:23.39 | decibyte | DocScrutinizer: absolutely not. i'm new here, and this is excactly what i hoped to find :) |
| 12:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | welcome then - and whatever you want to know: just ask |
| 12:25.28 | decibyte | thanks. i sure will later on. |
| 12:30.43 | DocScrutinizer | (indi light - dbus - paegis) no, there's definitely no reason whatsoever why enabling a Pattern* via dbus call to mce should be restricted. No dark rogue stuff going on at hw level when enabling the indi light |
| 12:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | at least on N9 and N900 - I would bet a limb that there isn't any on N950 either, as that'S almost impossible for the gifted EE of Nokia to implement such a noob bug |
| 12:33.57 | SpeedEvil | But the powerful strobing of the 5mA LED could tigger epilepsy. |
| 12:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | I know other things that actually *do* trigger epileptic attacks on me frequently |
| 12:34.48 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 12:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | some of them got dealt with by /ignore now |
| 12:38.19 | flux | speedevil, I think strobing the whole screen would more likely cause a seizure.. |
| 12:38.48 | SpeedEvil | may not have been 100% serious. |
| 12:51.44 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://adage.com/article/digital/nokia-windows-phone-miss-holidays-u-s/230604/ |
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| 13:17.01 | merlin1991 | curses the n9 |
| 13:17.15 | merlin1991 | for some reason sshd decide to refuse my keys suddenly |
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| 13:29.48 | deram | merlin1991: check the file permissions |
| 13:32.25 | merlin1991 | they seem ok |
| 13:33.32 | deram | hmm.. "ssh -vvv user@hostname" could provide some hints what is wrong |
| 13:35.45 | merlin1991 | any chance to get the developer user on the device terminal? |
| 13:36.08 | flux | if nothing else, then perhaps ssh developer@localhost? |
| 13:36.32 | flux | oh, right, it doesn't work :-) |
| 13:37.43 | merlin1991 | ffs ssh @ localhost worked |
| 13:37.45 | merlin1991 | WTF? |
| 13:38.10 | merlin1991 | can't ssh in from outside though |
| 13:38.11 | X-Fade | remote root login is disabled? |
| 13:38.28 | merlin1991 | I'm trying to login as developer atm |
| 13:38.32 | flux | merlin1991, from which IP did you try to log in? |
| 13:38.46 | flux | merlin1991, afaik the sshd only allows in from the private network blocks |
| 13:39.15 | merlin1991 | hm device is on 128.131.215.1 and I'm on 128.131.215.119 |
| 13:39.22 | flux | well, there's your problem. |
| 13:39.30 | merlin1991 | ffs |
| 13:39.36 | flux | take a look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 13:39.38 | merlin1991 | can I config that somehwere? |
| 13:39.42 | merlin1991 | (without bricking :D) |
| 13:39.52 | flux | I don't know about that though :) |
| 13:39.54 | deram | last few lines in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 13:39.59 | X-Fade | AllowUsers *@127.0.0.1 *@10.0.0.0/8 *@172.16.0.0/12 *@192.168.0.0/16 |
| 13:40.00 | flux | but I'm reasonable confident it's safe to edit that file |
| 13:40.07 | deram | there is list of addresses allowed.. |
| 13:40.27 | flux | of course, you should ensure you have good root/developer passwords before doing that :) |
| 13:40.36 | merlin1991 | no pass just keys ;) |
| 13:40.47 | flux | ..so no default passwords either? |
| 13:40.47 | deram | that would open one attack vector to your device, if that IP is publicly accessible |
| 13:41.13 | merlin1991 | flux: yes no passwords at all, just keys |
| 13:41.36 | deram | at least opening the sdk-cnnect application creates new password for developer account every time |
| 13:41.58 | deram | and those passwords are ridiculously simple |
| 13:42.12 | flux | deram, nevertheles, they cannot be bruteforced reasonably over ssh |
| 13:42.21 | pcfe | dm8tbr: a search of the IRC logs came up with you testing SU-8W with N9 and it needing the VKB to be open. Have you found out anything more about this stupid bug per chance? |
| 13:42.21 | deram | 6char only lowercase... |
| 13:42.22 | merlin1991 | that's why I don't use that app and did run passwd -d developer |
| 13:42.27 | deram | they can be |
| 13:42.55 | flux | so 154457888 tries for 50% chance of finding out the password |
| 13:43.00 | flux | how long does one ssh login attempt take? |
| 13:43.40 | pcfe | "PasswordAuthentication no" and then you can stop caring (well needs working ssh kleys first of course) |
| 13:43.41 | deram | under a second if you are rejecting ident instead of dropping it |
| 13:44.16 | flux | well let me say it this way: how long does it take for n9 to authenticate or disautenticate a ssh session with password? |
| 13:44.52 | flux | I'm quite certain n9 can't do that for 1000 connections per second |
| 13:45.17 | merlin1991 | hm howto tell sshd to reload configuration? |
| 13:45.26 | pcfe | merlin1991: SIGHUP should do it |
| 13:46.45 | merlin1991 | thanks guys, works for me now :) |
| 13:46.47 | pcfe | mind you, I'm in a place where my N9 has no WLAN connection, and I am loathe to fiddle around with VKB and a shell. Damn I miss y hardware keyboard. But do should if SIGHUP did not work and I'll look |
| 13:46.50 | pcfe | ah perfect. |
| 13:47.05 | pcfe | s/should/shout/ |
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| 13:52.59 | merlin1991 | wonders if that 128.131.215.0/24 range is publicly visible |
| 13:53.36 | flux | unfortunately I can't access your device ;) |
| 13:53.49 | deram | ssh: connect to host 128.131.215.1 port 22: Connection timed out |
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| 13:54.54 | merlin1991 | good :D |
| 13:56.27 | merlin1991 | technically it is publicly visible, but the routing seems to deny inbound connections |
| 13:56.46 | deram | at least for the port 22 |
| 13:56.57 | merlin1991 | (it's my university eduoram network) |
| 13:57.10 | merlin1991 | s/eduoram/eduroam/ |
| 13:59.58 | merlin1991 | btw where would I file a bug report against the vkbd? |
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| 14:07.50 | merlin1991 | is the vkbd a nokia or a meego component? |
| 14:08.28 | neal | isn't the vkdb mallit? |
| 14:08.34 | neal | which is developed in the open? |
| 14:10.16 | merlin1991 | I don't know, that's why I ask |
| 14:10.52 | radiofree | merlin1991: http://wiki.maliit.org/Main_Page |
| 14:12.02 | merlin1991 | now I'm even more confused as to where to report the bug I noticed |
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| 14:16.18 | merlin1991 | according to http://wiki.meego.com/Maliit the bug should go into the meego bugtracker |
| 14:16.45 | merlin1991 | harmattan would be wich meego release? |
| 14:16.53 | merlin1991 | 1.2 or 1.2.0? |
| 14:17.34 | radiofree | 1.2, but you should perhaps file it over at developer.nokia.com |
| 14:19.53 | Jaffa | flux: I am |
| 14:20.29 | Jaffa | flux: The name Jaffa Software is the origin of the nick, not the other way round. |
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| 14:29.04 | cos^ | is there any more info about non-booting N950's after latest OTA update? |
| 14:29.11 | cos^ | looks like i have one |
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| 14:43.40 | MohammadAG | cos^: Try to reflash it |
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| 15:12.15 | cos^ | MohammadAG: will try |
| 15:12.49 | MohammadAG | cos^, if it fails try to flash the kernel and rootfs manually from the beta2 image |
| 15:12.58 | cos^ | ok |
| 15:13.22 | cos^ | i'll try tomorrow |
| 15:16.10 | npm | nothing like a randomly misplaced comma to totally hork up one's javascript/qml... john mccarthy (RIP) is pre-spinning in his grave over http://javascriptweblog.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/the-javascript-comma-operator/ |
| 15:16.48 | npm | had qstrings printing out as "NaN" in a console.log(...) |
| 15:16.57 | npm | due to f.ing comma |
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| 15:30.22 | Anssi138 | npm, it's like js onliner |
| 15:33.46 | matrixx | apparently flashable image for 1.1 available |
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| 15:44.51 | tomma | 1GB... so they included games in it... |
| 15:45.54 | merlin1991 | Are there flashable images for the n9 by now? |
| 15:46.34 | dm8tbr | pcfe: no, my best idea at the moment is to have a 'dummy' virtual keyboard that you select from settings and that will actually have no visible part or 2px at the bottom. |
| 15:51.28 | pcfe | seeing that N950 works fine AFAIR (Only played 2 hours with it, but having to view VKB when using HW KB I would remember), there must be a better way |
| 15:53.03 | pcfe | dm8tbr: did you perchance already open a bug at meego.com ? |
| 15:54.51 | ab | X-Fade, remote root is disabled in PR1.1. You need to unlock 'user', make your key to its .ssh/ and use 'devel-su' aftewards |
| 15:55.06 | ab | I wrote that out on my G+ |
| 15:56.23 | ab | pcfe, I think even in default N9 usb networking should work. So you can use that to connect to the network and install developer mode :) |
| 15:57.29 | rantom | http://t.co/7jEDtwpI |
| 15:57.37 | rantom | Don't know was that pasted as of yet |
| 15:57.52 | rantom | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2011/10/25/n950-firmware-version-39-5-now-available-as-a-flashable-image?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed this I meant |
| 15:58.44 | pcfe | ab: Oh I was kinda hoping that after the iPad with familiar and the FreeRunner, I'd never have to use usb networking again |
| 15:58.56 | dm8tbr | pcfe: feel free to file one and let me know |
| 15:59.04 | pcfe | s/iPad/iPaq/ before anyoine gets hopes that the hW can be turned into sth free |
| 15:59.33 | pcfe | dm8tbr: will do, just making sure there are no dupes. Mind you I am not overly hopeful for this ever getting fixed |
| 15:59.33 | ab | pcfe, by default, if you select "Suite" or something, you'll get 192.168.2.15/24 set up by the N9 side |
| 16:00.03 | pcfe | ab: hang on, that Windows software name in the USB choice list actually means UB networking? |
| 16:00.16 | pcfe | s/UB/USB/ |
| 16:00.30 | ab | pcfe, :) |
| 16:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | the other one |
| 16:00.53 | DocScrutinizer | as it's not mass storage |
| 16:01.18 | macmaN | does that flashable 39-5 have skype ui |
| 16:01.35 | pcfe | DocScrutinizer:'Sync and Connect' would be the one |
| 16:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
| 16:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | flashable 39-5? |
| 16:02.41 | macmaN | 18:57 rantom>http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2011/10/25/n95 |
| 16:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | aah, nm |
| 16:02.44 | macmaN | 0-firmware-version-39-5-now-available-as-a-flashable-image?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterf |
| 16:02.47 | macmaN | eed this I meant (#harmattan) |
| 16:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | ahaaa |
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| 16:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | >> The N950 firmware version 39-5, previously released as an over-the-air update, is now also available as a flashable image. The provided OneClickFlasher can be used to return the device to a known functional state after some bit-too-careless late-night hacking, or if a previous over-the-air update has failed for some reason.<< OK so all those who "bricked" their device finally can stop holding breath before they get blue in the face |
| 16:06.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 16:07.02 | *** mode/#harmattan [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 16:07.51 | ab | DocScrutinizer, yes, please do some goodness to the topic ;) |
| 16:08.06 | DocScrutinizer | already about to do it |
| 16:09.59 | *** topic/#harmattan by DocScrutinizer -> A place for harmattan device and development discussions |NEW flasher to "unbrick": http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/ | Developers check this: http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | UPGRADES: http://bit.ly/rffn73 |
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| 16:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | wondrs what will happen to you all when I'm no more available in 4 weeks |
| 16:11.49 | GeneralAntilles | We'll probably all die under a tortuous avalanche of pornbot spam. |
| 16:11.57 | GeneralAntilles | What's in 4 weeks? |
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| 16:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | new job, maybe |
| 16:12.13 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, congrats, hopefully. |
| 16:13.30 | SpeedEvil | Congrats! |
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| 16:18.29 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, we'll just invite abill_uk here |
| 16:18.41 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: What field? |
| 16:18.45 | MohammadAG | the guy has proven he's decades better than any of you real engineers |
| 16:18.46 | Stskeeps | if i can ban and kick him after abusing him verbally, OK |
| 16:18.54 | MohammadAG | in all seriousness, congrats :) |
| 16:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | coding monkey probably |
| 16:19.10 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, only verbally? |
| 16:19.10 | MohammadAG | runs |
| 16:19.13 | SpeedEvil | Related to hardware, or not? |
| 16:19.25 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: don't get me started on some of my darker fantasies |
| 16:19.40 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, this is a family channel :P |
| 16:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: possibly |
| 16:20.08 | MohammadAG | I need a job |
| 16:20.18 | MohammadAG | or an income, somehow :p |
| 16:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | one of those consulting Incs that have manpower for everything that runs with electric |
| 16:20.55 | MohammadAG | but I have nothing to prove my epic segfaulty C++ skills |
| 16:21.32 | MohammadAG | I wonder if C++ was called that because it somehow relates to C being shortcircuit'd |
| 16:21.32 | DocScrutinizer | employee :-/ |
| 16:21.45 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, a job's a job |
| 16:21.57 | MohammadAG | better than sitting in a dorm/house doing nothing |
| 16:22.06 | MohammadAG | except swearing at dhl over the phone |
| 16:22.12 | DocScrutinizer | you ever seen me doing nothing? |
| 16:22.37 | DocScrutinizer | pestering you all here 24/7 |
| 16:22.43 | MohammadAG | well, you had a job at one point :p |
| 16:23.01 | MohammadAG | I've never coded for $ :P |
| 16:23.12 | MohammadAG | oh btw |
| 16:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | I never been employed though since ~25 years |
| 16:23.18 | MohammadAG | iOS hacks are effing expensive |
| 16:23.26 | MohammadAG | which is why I don't buy them |
| 16:23.44 | MohammadAG | but seriously |
| 16:23.53 | MohammadAG | the hacks are closed and 5+ |
| 16:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so worth *selling* them |
| 16:25.26 | MohammadAG | point is |
| 16:25.32 | MohammadAG | we've had people with rewrites |
| 16:27.08 | DocScrutinizer | tries to find a recent income poll for IT employees, to decide whether to take that job or not |
| 16:29.16 | frals | DocScrutinizer: if you find one, let me know please ;o |
| 16:29.17 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, start applying. |
| 16:29.44 | Stskeeps | don't take anything under 60 EUR/hour |
| 16:29.45 | GeneralAntilles | Worst think that can happen is that you don't get hired. |
| 16:29.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:31.05 | frals | pulling more than 9k per month as a engineer.. that would be neat |
| 16:31.35 | DocScrutinizer | frals: http://www.heise.de/ct/suche/?q=gehaltsumfrage&search_submit=Suche&rm=search |
| 16:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: employee :-/ |
| 16:35.11 | awallin_ | hmm so I'm getting "bash: /usr/bin/scratchbox: Permission denied" after installing the SDK ? |
| 16:37.49 | awallin_ | and then: $ sudo sb-adduser anders yes |
| 16:37.49 | awallin_ | Scratchbox user account for user anders already exists! |
| 16:38.16 | radiofree | what about run_me_first? |
| 16:38.32 | awallin_ | where is that? |
| 16:38.46 | radiofree | oh, it's not in the sdk? |
| 16:39.01 | radiofree | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.08 | MohammadAG | if you didn't install scratchbox from tars you won't have it |
| 16:39.12 | MohammadAG | cause postinsts do that |
| 16:39.19 | awallin_ | I have /scratchbox/.run_me_first_done |
| 16:39.20 | radiofree | ah |
| 16:44.03 | npm | can the http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2011/10/25/n950-firmware-version-39-5-now-available-as-a-flashable-image?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed flasher update be done to a beta0 device |
| 16:44.03 | npm | w/o having to upgrade to other version first? |
| 16:44.03 | awallin_ | so where would I get scratchbox run_me_first or see what it does? |
| 16:45.04 | npm | ab |
| 16:45.05 | deimos | npm: thank you ! I was waiting for that :) |
| 16:45.49 | ab | npm, pong |
| 16:46.00 | npm | oops ab... where can i find your "[08:55] <ab> I wrote that out on my G+" |
| 16:46.27 | ab | https://plus.google.com/u/0/117200318980623167325/posts/7KEMnAskitN |
| 16:46.31 | npm | thanks |
| 16:47.43 | ab | btw, proper url should be https://plus.google.com/117200318980623167325/posts/7KEMnAskitN |
| 16:52.58 | npm | deimos: so before i hork up the n950, can i run that firmware flasher independent of what's running on device (stupid question since it should, but i figure i'd better ask first) |
| 16:54.20 | deimos | npn: I think yes since it erases all :) |
| 16:54.44 | deimos | maybe I am wrong thinking on MOSLO ? |
| 16:54.49 | npm | that's what i'd expect. let me know if it works. i'm a pussy when it comes to bricking the n950 |
| 16:55.02 | npm | at least until i get my app finished |
| 16:55.04 | deimos | btw I have a bricked device, so I have nothing to loose :) |
| 16:55.38 | npm | ah well then "NEW flasher to "unbrick": http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5 " in topic is relevant :-) |
| 16:55.57 | deimos | eheh yep |
| 16:55.57 | npm | let us know how it worked |
| 16:56.07 | deimos | 72% |
| 17:01.18 | awallin_ | hm, what's the trick for starting Xephyr in portrait mode? meego-sb-session seems to want to start in portrait |
| 17:05.01 | spenap | awallin_, you can pass -landscape to meego-sb-session |
| 17:05.18 | awallin_ | spenap: thx! |
| 17:05.39 | spenap | or, when launching Xephyr, pass -screen 480x854x16 |
| 17:05.44 | spenap | to start it in portrait mode |
| 17:05.49 | spenap | awallin_, you're welcome :) |
| 17:06.55 | awallin_ | hm the screen that shows all open programs is a bit grabled in xephyr |
| 17:09.50 | awallin_ | so I followed the steps on harmattan-dev.nokia.com for installing the sdk. where do I go from there? is there a hello-world tutorial somewhere for compiling on the x86/arm targets and transferring binaries to N9 or making .deb packages? |
| 17:10.41 | spenap | awallin_, you'll be probably interested in the «project-templates» package |
| 17:11.08 | spenap | which provides some kind of skeleton for creating qml and meegotouch apps (qml are recommended) with packaging enabled |
| 17:11.17 | awallin_ | spenap: stupid Q: would that be installed on my host machine or on scratchbox? |
| 17:11.28 | spenap | scratchbox |
| 17:12.00 | spenap | if you export your working directory from your host machine (or do a symlink or whatever other option) |
| 17:12.09 | awallin_ | apt-get says it's already installed |
| 17:12.25 | spenap | you can code from your preferred editor in the host machine |
| 17:12.33 | spenap | or if you're comfortable with emacs / vim / others |
| 17:12.46 | spenap | i guess you can use them directly on scratchbox |
| 17:13.07 | awallin_ | ok. I guess there were some tutorials by nokia on qt-creator etc |
| 17:13.08 | spenap | ok, then great: «create-project» will launch the "wizard" |
| 17:19.00 | tomma | awallin_, if you want to create Qt application then you propably want QtSDK with Harmattan toolchain and not scratchbox |
| 17:19.33 | tomma | scratchbox works too but QtSDK is easier to setup |
| 17:19.48 | awallin_ | uh, um. ok. Does QtSDK include a simulator also to try out the programs? |
| 17:20.23 | deimos | npm: 18 mins to flash. All went ok :) |
| 17:21.12 | tomma | i would test application in device, but i think QtSDK includes qemu image? |
| 17:25.09 | awallin_ | ok so QtSDK has the same tools for cross-compiling and packaging into deb also? |
| 17:25.41 | tomma | yeah |
| 17:25.51 | tomma | everything works by clicking "run" from creator |
| 17:26.06 | tomma | it compiles, packages, sends to device, installs it and then starts it |
| 17:27.07 | awallin_ | what's the chance that something made for N900 will just start working when re-compiled without major changes? |
| 17:29.07 | tomma | if it is pure Qt application and does not use widgets then very high =) |
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| 17:29.48 | awallin_ | ok, nice, someone had made an n900 build. That project used cmake, will I be able to use cmake with QtSDK? |
| 17:30.13 | awallin_ | so this is what I should follow? http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Getting_started_with_Harmattan_using_Qt_SDK.html |
| 17:31.06 | tomma | yeah |
| 17:31.20 | tomma | i dont know how cmake works with creator but it should |
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| 17:44.25 | awallin_ | on scratchbox, if something compiles on X86, is there a good/bad change it compiles on ARMEL too? |
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| 17:49.31 | spenap | it should compile on ARMEL as well |
| 17:50.50 | awallin_ | blah, how do I change target. sb-menu and "Select" says "you must close your other scratchbox session first"... |
| 17:51.18 | awallin_ | oh killall first! |
| 17:52.45 | spenap | ah, no |
| 17:52.46 | spenap | no |
| 17:52.54 | spenap | no need: just meego-sb-session stop |
| 17:52.55 | awallin_ | no? |
| 17:53.14 | spenap | whenever you start it with meego-sb-session start |
| 17:53.24 | spenap | you should stop it after that |
| 17:53.33 | spenap | (of course, killing it will work, too :P) |
| 17:55.55 | ab | for those who had camera issues after OTA upgrade, flashing PR1.1 helps |
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| 17:56.29 | awallin_ | hm. cmake-based build works on X86 but fails to find/set "OPENGL_INCLUDE_DIR" on ARMEL |
| 18:01.27 | spenap | ahm |
| 18:01.33 | spenap | never used cmake on scractchbox |
| 18:01.36 | spenap | just qmake projects |
| 18:03.19 | awallin_ | oh there was an ES2 option in the cmakelists.txt file, with that it seems to work |
| 18:03.25 | jabis | I've had that problem with another compilation, cmake doesn't let you change it via the environment, check out if you can find CMakeCache(.txt) and set the correct path to gl.h from there |
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| 18:03.55 | awallin_ | jabis: seems to work now with ES2 setting instead of Desktop for opengl |
| 18:04.03 | jabis | coolness |
| 18:04.55 | awallin_ | eh, but then fails with error: 'GL_LINE_SMOOTH' was not declared in this scope |
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| 18:12.37 | *** topic/#harmattan is A place for harmattan device and development discussions |NEW flasher to "unbrick": http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/release/N950-39-5/ | Developers check this: http://library.developer.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.meego.com/N950_landing_page | logs: http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/ | UPGRADES: http://bit.ly/rffn73 |
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| 18:13.06 | clbr | factory reset didn't help to make my N9's compass working, someone here has an idea except a hardware problem? |
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| 18:15.33 | jabis | sounds like a hardware problem, the sensors're not working, of course just to be sure, download another compass thingy from ovi store and see whether works or not |
| 18:16.04 | scifig | DocScrutinizer: Was just going through the logs. Congratulations. On that salary survey, here is pretty recent survey (US based) for programmers. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2763932 |
| 18:17.40 | scifig | So does the 39-5 flasher break anything? Can we still install GOF2 and NFS Shift on it? |
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| 18:18.50 | deimos | with the OCF gof2 and nfs are into the image already |
| 18:19.28 | scifig | deimos: Ah, thanks |
| 18:19.54 | deram | too bad that is not the nfs I'm looking for |
| 18:19.55 | clbr | jabis: thx, tried them all, syslog also has not-nice messages |
| 18:21.39 | scifig | Is the game "Real Golf 2011" available for N950? Engadget says it is pre-loaded on N9. |
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| 18:29.54 | jabis | clbr: a warranty case it is then, too bad |
| 18:34.20 | clbr | jabis: strangly I started playing angry birds out of frusttration, leaving the compass app (and gepes) open, and suddenly the sensor sends data |
| 18:34.28 | clbr | still not correct, but a sign of hope |
| 18:34.37 | clbr | never thought that this game would be useful for something |
| 18:34.41 | jabis | I'd still return it |
| 18:35.17 | jabis | there are some "monday" N-niners out there - you wouldn't be the first |
| 18:35.31 | clbr | ok, I'll call my (german) dealer tomorrow. hopefully it's not a too complicated process |
| 18:36.09 | clbr | yeah, heard about them. the nice compass app has at least one commenter with a buggy device |
| 18:36.09 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 18:36.22 | GeneralAntilles | The stupid terminal thinks the vkb is open all the time. |
| 18:38.24 | petteri | someone said that you have to get gps fix once before using the compass, so maybe start ovimaps |
| 18:39.02 | clbr | petteri: tried this some days ago, (a)gps is working fine |
| 18:39.09 | petteri | ok |
| 18:40.04 | clbr | as is everything else, great device. wireless reception is not very good here, compared to my other nokia phones, so maybe a electromagnetical problem in the body |
| 18:40.44 | SpeedEvil | clbr: you have n9 or n950? |
| 18:40.53 | clbr | n9, got it some days ago |
| 18:41.20 | clbr | through EU-import, probably an austrian retail device |
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| 18:44.48 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:45.01 | SpeedEvil | GOF question. Has anyone ever gotten a passenger for a cabin? |
| 18:54.53 | GeneralAntilles | Where's the best FBReader build these days? |
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| 19:06.52 | Sazpaimon | whats the bpp of the N9's display? |
| 19:06.57 | Sazpaimon | 32 bit? |
| 19:06.59 | Sazpaimon | or 16 bit |
| 19:07.52 | GeneralAntilles | 16, I think |
| 19:11.18 | Sazpaimon | sucks, was hoping it was 32 because then lightspark could be ported |
| 19:11.42 | Sazpaimon | lightspark's gles shaders are designed for 32 bit displays |
| 19:13.01 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently not the official FBReader build. |
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| 19:14.26 | Sazpaimon | GeneralAntilles, yes but that would be slow |
| 19:15.40 | GeneralAntilles | What's the root password for PR1.1? |
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| 19:18.53 | japplo | hi :-) |
| 19:19.11 | japplo | how can I install gcc on Nokia N9? |
| 19:20.46 | ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: same as before, "rootme" |
| 19:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | Wasn't working |
| 19:20.55 | GeneralAntilles | now it is. |
| 19:20.59 | GeneralAntilles | stabs self. |
| 19:21.56 | japplo | is this the correct repo: deb http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan/sdk free non-free |
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| 19:31.46 | japplo | hello?? |
| 19:32.34 | awallin_ | japplo: why would you want gcc on the phone? isn't much faster and less pain to compile on a pc? |
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| 19:33.54 | japplo | awallin: maybe :-) but for me it's the fastest way or how can I compile on the pc? |
| 19:34.32 | japplo | I like to build keepassx |
| 19:34.33 | awallin_ | japplo: I'm just learning things. either scratchbox or QtSDK |
| 19:35.30 | japplo | did you found a howto? |
| 19:36.17 | awallin_ | this I guess http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Getting_started_with_Harmattan_using_Qt_SDK.html |
| 19:38.08 | japplo | awallin_: mhh I don't like to create an app. I need only to compile keepassx |
| 19:38.29 | awallin_ | japplo: wait a bit I can try building.. |
| 19:39.28 | awallin_ | japplo: this is what I get http://pastebin.com/YJVNzmS2 |
| 19:39.59 | awallin_ | japplo: there's no deb-packaging stuff in the cmakelists.txt for keepassx, so I can't just say "make package" to build a deb.. |
| 19:42.53 | japplo | awallin_: I have found a package for Fremantle http://maemo.org/packages/view/keepassx/ |
| 19:43.13 | awallin_ | japplo: have someone who knows the keepassx source add some CPACK stuff to the cmakefiles.txt, then it's easy to build a deb |
| 19:44.02 | japplo | how did you try to build it? |
| 19:44.38 | awallin_ | on scratchbox/ARMEL-target, with cmake. should be the real deal, just I get a binary, not a deb |
| 19:45.20 | awallin_ | I can try the freemantle source tar |
| 19:45.45 | GeneralAntilles | How do you switch between Swype and the regular vkb? |
| 19:46.01 | GeneralAntilles | nm |
| 19:46.04 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: swipe the keyboard itself. |
| 19:46.15 | GeneralAntilles | It kept detecting that as Swype swipes |
| 19:46.20 | GeneralAntilles | but now it seems to be working correctly. |
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| 19:50.11 | awallin_ | japplo: that freemantle source package doesn't build without errors.. |
| 19:50.36 | awallin_ | maybe.. |
| 19:51.14 | jabis | there is Swype for N9? point me to it if such luck |
| 19:51.56 | japplo | awallin_: yes |
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| 19:54.20 | awallin_ | japplo: ok now building again... let's see.. |
| 19:55.44 | rantom | jabis: No, not as of yet. There's Swyper for the N950 with pr 1.1 (39-5) |
| 19:55.55 | rantom | s/Swyper/Swype/ |
| 19:57.37 | awallin_ | japplo: here's a deb package built from the freemantle source http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5709522/keepassx_0.4.3-1_armel.deb no guarantees whatsoever, don't blame me if you brick your n9... |
| 19:58.25 | jabis | wasn't it supposed to be installed as default on them |
| 20:00.39 | japplo | awallin_: all my apps are installed in the directory /opt/ |
| 20:01.33 | awallin_ | japplo: yes that's normal I think. need to enable developer mode, then repos, then dl the deb on the device and install with dpkg -i (I think that's the workflow) |
| 20:03.22 | japplo | awallin_: yes but keypassx is build in /usr/bin/ and /usr/share/ is this not a problem? |
| 20:04.10 | awallin_ | I don't know. I ran "dpkg-buildpackage" on the freemantle source tarball. I don't know if that is supposed to work or not on N9 |
| 20:06.33 | japplo | awallin_: ok thank you, I will first installing scratchbox |
| 20:06.55 | japplo | awallin_: like http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Getting_started_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Integrating_Qt_Creator_with_Scratchbox_in_Linux_environment ? |
| 20:08.00 | awallin_ | japplo: I followed these steps for scratchbox http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html but QtSDK may actually be easier. Beware it's 800+800 + something Mb of downloading! |
| 20:09.38 | japplo | awallin_: QtSDK is installed :-) |
| 20:18.39 | awallin_ | on scratchbox/ARMEL, whenever I set Xephyr to protrait, meego-sb-session wants to start in landscape, and vice-versa !? |
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| 20:26.46 | japplo | awallin_: qtcreator is only for create apps? |
| 20:27.23 | awallin_ | japplo: should have all the build tools, qemu for simulation etc. |
| 20:28.09 | japplo | awallin_: ok, I have installed only the default packages of qtsdk |
| 20:28.36 | awallin_ | japplo: I'm getting some DBUS error on scratchbox/X86 when running keepassx... not sure why.. |
| 20:39.46 | pcfe | dm8tbr: wanting to start the bugreport for SU-8W, I dug mine out, paired it successfully to the N9, but the keyboard does not go into connected mode. Did you have to do anything apart from the steps I took to get it to connect? |
| 20:43.45 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles:being unable to ssh as root to pr1.1 is just another service provided by your friendly neighborhood aegis! |
| 20:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: o/ |
| 20:44.04 | pcfe | As the N9 sees it as a HID device, I was kinda sorta expecting sth on the N9 to answer the incoming request from the keyboard, seems this is not the case |
| 20:44.08 | japplo | awallin_: I have never used scratchbox. without It's easy qmake-qt4 PREFIX=/opt , make, make install |
| 20:44.08 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, "Find my Phone" watchlet. |
| 20:44.17 | javispedro | ahaha |
| 20:44.21 | javispedro | good one, though |
| 20:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | My N950 disappeared into a stack of laundry this morning |
| 20:44.38 | javispedro | ponders flashing his n950... |
| 20:44.53 | GeneralAntilles | But I had my watch, be great to be able to make the phone play some loud noises. |
| 20:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | yoh, you noticed there'S a new OCF? |
| 20:45.15 | awallin_ | japplo: on scratchbox/ARMEL you should be able to do the same, then build a .deb which you move to the phone |
| 20:45.21 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's why I'm pondering |
| 20:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | just making sure, thought as much |
| 20:46.03 | javispedro | can anyone tell me how to type { using the vkb?? |
| 20:46.08 | clbr | pcfe: can I somehow help you? would like to get my igo stowaway working with the N9, but didn't bother yet |
| 20:47.02 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, go to characters |
| 20:47.05 | GeneralAntilles | it's on the 2nd page. |
| 20:47.13 | javispedro | ah |
| 20:47.16 | javispedro | not on the spanish variant then! |
| 20:47.22 | pcfe | clbr: dm8tbr reported that PR1.0 at least needs the VKB open for the Nokia SU-8W to work. As this should all be HID profile over BT, I'd expect the same to happen with your stowaway |
| 20:47.38 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia - We do compromise shit. |
| 20:47.42 | pcfe | but, trying to reproduce for a bug report, I am stuck one step earlier |
| 20:47.42 | japplo | awallin_: is it also possible to build a package with qtsdk or only with scratchbox? |
| 20:47.51 | javispedro | note to myself: If I ever get a N9, set locale to en_US. Otherwise I will not be able to enter my wireless network password. |
| 20:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | 2nd row: `^|_§{}¡¿ |
| 20:48.17 | pcfe | clbr: if you know how o initiate a HID connection from the N9 or make a daemon listen to an incoming request from keyboard that would help |
| 20:48.43 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, set the secondary keyboard to US? |
| 20:48.48 | GeneralAntilles | Then you can swipe between them. |
| 20:48.53 | pcfe | otherwise, no hurry, I can wait until dm8tbr is back as he got that working. This bug report is not urgent |
| 20:49.16 | deram | javispedro: you can have multiple keymaps installed, and swiping left or right on top of vkbd changes the keymap |
| 20:49.17 | dm8tbr | pcfe: huh? |
| 20:49.24 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: second row here: `^|[three quote characters I don't even know how to write]¡ |
| 20:49.33 | dm8tbr | pcfe: you can connect from the bt settings |
| 20:49.38 | pcfe | dm8tbr: you had SU-8W working but with VKB open only, right? |
| 20:49.50 | clbr | pcfe: I will experiment a bit. Would it make a difference to report problems to maliit directly? |
| 20:49.53 | dm8tbr | pcfe: I'm on a N950... |
| 20:50.09 | dm8tbr | clbr: harmattan doesn't use maliit AFAIK |
| 20:50.14 | pcfe | dm8tbr: ah, my bad, I thought you were on N9 |
| 20:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHAHAHA my vkbd locked on the "123" page, no way back to "ABC" |
| 20:51.35 | clbr | pcfe: hm, they are using harmattan screenshots, see http://www.openismus.com/projects/ |
| 20:51.42 | deram | DocScrutinizer: does swiping on it do anything? |
| 20:52.17 | pcfe | dm8tbr: hmm, on N9, in BT settings, I see no 'connect' on either the keyboard's details nor the menu I get on long press on kbd name. Is your SU-8W set to auto-connect or not? (maybe swithing auto off will make a button appear somewhere for me) |
| 20:53.08 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, yeah, seems to be a race condition. |
| 20:53.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: happened quite afew times to me. |
| 20:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | deram: nope, but pressing space unlocked it |
| 20:53.13 | GeneralAntilles | Had it happen a lot in beta 2. |
| 20:53.24 | pcfe | clbr: a search for HID on their site revealed nothing. So unsure if this is related to their VKB. |
| 20:53.44 | deram | nice piece of sh^Hoftware... |
| 20:54.55 | dm8tbr | pcfe: ah, right, that is another bug then |
| 20:55.28 | dm8tbr | pcfe: yes, I had my SU-8W set to connect on power on |
| 20:55.36 | pcfe | dm8tbr: now to find someone who will care about the bug report. meego.com or maliit... |
| 20:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: I had the weird(?) idea as if I'd have hit a deadkey e.g. ` or ' or ~ and it refused to return until I hit the space bar. But then that's too weird and not really any evidence or proof and CND |
| 20:56.07 | dm8tbr | pcfe: maliit is completely wrong IMHO, as the vkb is not responsible for routing BT-HID |
| 20:56.17 | dm8tbr | pcfe: it's somewhere below in the layers |
| 20:56.22 | pcfe | dm8tbr: the SU-8W does try (BT & PWR flash in unison), but never connects after speakign to the phone just fine for the pairing |
| 20:56.33 | pcfe | dm8tbr: yeah, I would have guessed so too |
| 20:56.52 | dm8tbr | c.f. that there is swype for harmattan |
| 20:57.13 | dm8tbr | bt-hid should just be yet-another input method |
| 20:57.28 | clbr | pcfe: I spoke with them some month ago, because I was interested in how Maliit decides which input to use if you would use a maliit plugin in the form of synergy (using the desktop pcs keyboard), but it remaind unclear to me if maliit is the deciding instance |
| 20:58.00 | clbr | pcfe: the stowaway pairs nicely and is recognized as HID device, but nothing else |
| 20:58.13 | pcfe | let's leave malit out for now, I too see this much more a problem at the BT layer for the connect issue |
| 20:58.56 | pcfe | clbr: same as the SU-8W here then. Does the stowaway have a LED or such to show it is connected (as opposed to in 'searching for last used device'-mode)? |
| 21:00.19 | clbr | pcfe: it has a led blinking when connected, but it stopped after while (keeps blinking with other paired devices until it goes to sleep) |
| 21:00.41 | pcfe | clbr: thanks, that confirms what I think. |
| 21:01.16 | pcfe | first to see if any hidd or similar is on the thing |
| 21:03.47 | deram | on my N9 I got my bt-keyboard paired, but no text input and keyboard light kept blinking as in trying to connect |
| 21:05.27 | DocScrutinizer | btw kudos to Nokia designers for finally implementing genuine naming in language selectors - like "english" "deutsch" rather than "english" "german" |
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| 21:07.31 | DocScrutinizer | not that this was any new to maemo, but I've seen too many OS/devices where you're lost when some funny person sets your device language to chinese or thai |
| 21:07.42 | deram | my old 1611 had that implemented way back then.. it even spelled some of those in cyrillic font... |
| 21:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | of course you still face the problem to navigate thru the chinese menus to the lang picker |
| 21:08.57 | deram | that used to be quite usual prank... basically everyone had to memorize the key sequence to change back to english |
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| 21:19.09 | clbr | what was the workaround for "installation interrupted" messages when activating developer mode? |
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| 21:30.01 | npm | DocScrutinizer: is said nicely named language selector available as a QML component? |
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| 22:03.28 | GeneralAntilles | Whoever post-processed h0pbeat's picture made him look about 55. <_< |
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| 22:44.05 | T_UNIX | is the nfc file sharing done via nfc itself or is an ad-hoc network created using it? |
| 22:44.51 | javispedro | not ad-hoc, but a PAN |
| 22:44.53 | javispedro | using BT |
| 22:47.56 | T_UNIX | javispedro: which BT version? |
| 22:48.45 | javispedro | dunno |
| 22:48.57 | javispedro | probably negotiated |
| 22:50.37 | T_UNIX | javispedro: I mean with respect to max. transfer rates/bandwidth |
| 22:51.34 | javispedro | I keep what I said :) |
| 22:52.06 | javispedro | if you would like to know the max BT version supported by the N9, it's 4.0 |
| 22:53.41 | T_UNIX | javispedro: so it should do the wifi thing if the both devices support it |
| 22:53.57 | javispedro | I do not think that's the case. |
| 22:54.10 | T_UNIX | as according to 3.0+HS, which is included in 4.0 |
| 22:54.55 | javispedro | I do not think 4.0 mandates HS |
| 22:55.04 | javispedro | plus, like if it was possible. |
| 22:56.48 | T_UNIX | javispedro: I'm not very familiar with bluetooth. |
| 22:56.59 | T_UNIX | wikipedia says 4.0 includes high speed |
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| 22:58.37 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: what is the BT chip for the N9? |
| 22:58.55 | javispedro | (if you have it around, otherwise, I'll try to look it up) |
| 22:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | I added it to the hw page |
| 22:59.11 | T_UNIX | javispedro: http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/High-Speed.aspx <- says so as well |
| 22:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | it's the wlan chip afaik |
| 22:59.37 | DocScrutinizer | the radio chip |
| 22:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 22:59.48 | javispedro | yes, but it's a different variant from the n950 |
| 22:59.52 | javispedro | aiui at least. |
| 23:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | yes, the one is end digit 1, the other 2 or sth - N9 knows 5GHz |
| 23:00.30 | javispedro | ah, not 4 |
| 23:00.41 | T_UNIX | is there a chance to borrow devices for a research contest? |
| 23:01.47 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: funnily enough, none of the wl127x family claims BT 4.0 |
| 23:01.47 | DocScrutinizer | aka 802.11a |
| 23:02.21 | T_UNIX | or are all devices of nokia's supply already loaned? |
| 23:02.46 | T_UNIX | DocScrutinizer: does the high speed link work? |
| 23:03.22 | T_UNIX | DocScrutinizer: javispedro which timezone do you live in? |
| 23:03.29 | javispedro | ~UGT |
| 23:03.30 | infobot | ugt is probably Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 23:03.37 | javispedro | ;P |
| 23:04.04 | T_UNIX | XD |
| 23:04.21 | DocScrutinizer | high speed link? no idea |
| 23:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | not even a N9 here to test anything |
| 23:04.51 | T_UNIX | if Nokia claims it's bt 4.0 compliant, it should, shouldn't it? |
| 23:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 23:05.56 | T_UNIX | no Nokia engineer around? |
| 23:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'm more like envy about your climate zone :-) |
| 23:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | nokia engineers? HAH |
| 23:06.50 | T_UNIX | DocScrutinizer: I'm new to this channel, give me some time ;-) |
| 23:06.56 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the good and the bad thing about my climate is that yesterday was _the first day it has ever rained_ since I got the N950. |
| 23:07.07 | javispedro | therefore, it was the first day I realized how much does capacitive suck under the rain. |
| 23:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 23:07.54 | DocScrutinizer | west coast? |
| 23:08.47 | javispedro | technically east.. |
| 23:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | weather forecast yesterday looked like levante with *lots* of rain, for the southwest |
| 23:09.16 | javispedro | I've said yesterday but I meant monday =) |
| 23:09.33 | javispedro | and I got to see the thunderstorm icon on my metawatch too |
| 23:09.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, we're in sync wrt that |
| 23:10.26 | javispedro | sadly, it was rather useless. |
| 23:10.36 | javispedro | once I was completely wet then the icon changed to thunderstorm |
| 23:10.44 | javispedro | pre that it was "cloudy" |
| 23:10.47 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehe |
| 23:12.46 | javispedro | T_UNIX: so, the BT chip doesn't say anything about 4.0, so forget about 4.0, it's 2.1 |
| 23:13.08 | javispedro | either way, reading that bt.org page, I did not realize the differences between 2.1 and 4.0 were that minor |
| 23:13.25 | javispedro | it probably means one could implement 4.0 via sw patch |
| 23:13.33 | javispedro | that includes the n950 too... |
| 23:13.58 | T_UNIX | javispedro: yes. That's actually what my team was about to do for a contest |
| 23:14.36 | T_UNIX | but we need NFC and WiFi capable devices with an open system on it |
| 23:15.04 | T_UNIX | that's why I asked for Nokia contact information |
| 23:15.37 | javispedro | is rather unfound of stuff that uses the Wi-Fi radio |
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| 23:16.08 | T_UNIX | javispedro: what's the issue for you? |
| 23:16.19 | T_UNIX | performance? |
| 23:16.23 | javispedro | I remember that experiment with manets that Nokia did a few years ago, where they conveniently forgot that I usually want my Wi-Fi antenna receiving emails, not searching for potential nearby love partners or whatever |
| 23:16.43 | T_UNIX | XD omg! |
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| 23:17.48 | javispedro | hm |
| 23:18.09 | javispedro | Nokia did ask for 4.0 certification (N9 only), so maybe they do plan to add 4.0 in a future update.. |
| 23:19.21 | T_UNIX | would be nice to see them integrating it with connman |
| 23:19.35 | javispedro | no connman in harmattan |
| 23:20.58 | T_UNIX | ah okay, didn't know that |
| 23:24.18 | T_UNIX | what does harmattan use for radio configuration? |
| 23:24.47 | javispedro | a propietary daemon called icd2 |
| 23:25.04 | javispedro | from the good ol maemo |
| 23:26.54 | T_UNIX | sad |
| 23:27.13 | T_UNIX | I mean the 'proprierity' fact |
| 23:27.27 | T_UNIX | does it do a good job? |
| 23:28.38 | javispedro | some might argue it's better than connman |
| 23:28.40 | javispedro | hides |
| 23:29.44 | javispedro | knees on the corridor and shouts to the heavens "AEGIS, WHY???????" |
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| 23:30.36 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc-Zi_-8mhU |
| 23:31.07 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: we can use that video in future ocasions when someone asks "whats the point of killing_aegis/usb_host/..." |
| 23:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | watching |
| 23:31.40 | javispedro | nokia itself promoting something that the aegis security policy blocks on the N9, totally not ironic. |
| 23:32.29 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, do you have a .deb of the latest sowatchd? |
| 23:32.45 | javispedro | a moment |
| 23:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: WUT, that's been promoted by Nokia? |
| 23:34.23 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: see the uploader, NokiaConversations is the official nokia PR blog |
| 23:34.42 | javispedro | actually, didn't see this yet |
| 23:34.43 | DocScrutinizer | I'll ask for them paying royalties for using h-e-n |
| 23:34.43 | javispedro | http://conversations.nokia.com/ |
| 23:34.45 | SpeedEvil | posted that as a response. |
| 23:35.34 | javispedro | ^^ hit conversations.nokia.com link, that's where video comes from |
| 23:35.48 | javispedro | (put your googles though, the site hurts a bit) |
| 23:36.57 | javispedro | adds that link to "Activities blocked by ..." |
| 23:37.11 | javispedro | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy number 8 ;) |
| 23:37.18 | DocScrutinizer | good |
| 23:37.48 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: http://depot.javispedro.com/metawatch/sowatch/sowatch_0.2.1_armel.deb |
| 23:37.57 | GeneralAntilles | You're the best! |
| 23:38.09 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: still debugging why the UI start/stop buttons seem to be a noop on PR1.1.. probably need a restart :P |
| 23:38.31 | javispedro | (after install I mean... or manual invocation of the daemon via /opt/sowatch/bin/sowatchd ) |
| 23:38.39 | javispedro | (yes, I optified it in case I ever submit it to Ovi) |
| 23:41.37 | javispedro | did they really needed to add the crappy WP7 tiles to nokia conversations too? Not that I followed it much, but now I'm going to follow it even less... |
| 23:43.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's gotta be clear that Nokia is a Microsoft subsidiary. |
| 23:48.23 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: updated this with the weather stuff: https://gitorious.org/sowatch/pages/Home |
| 23:48.40 | javispedro | still didn't do much of the stuff I've promised.... but weather using accuweather should be working now. |
| 23:50.18 | GeneralAntilles | Can it pick up other watchlets or are they hardcoded |
| 23:50.23 | GeneralAntilles | (too lazy to look at source) |
| 23:50.44 | javispedro | as for the idle screen, they are hardcoded |
| 23:50.56 | javispedro | the other ones aren't. but there aren't alternative ones, so... |
| 23:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | Weather SHOULD be working? |
| 23:52.54 | javispedro | update the config file though |
| 23:53.28 | javispedro | previous version showed "No data!" and a generic cloudy icon iirc, |
| 23:53.50 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, so does the .deb you just gave me right now. |
| 23:54.12 | javispedro | the new version will only show "No data" (no !) if either harmaccu is not in the config file, OR accuweather is gone wrong for some reason (easily recognizable beacuse the events view widget will also be broken) |
| 23:54.39 | javispedro | if it still shows the "!", kill it, it's the old one |
| 23:55.33 | GeneralAntilles | Oops, installed the wrong .deb |
| 23:55.41 | GeneralAntilles | Backup backed that up |
| 23:55.57 | javispedro | backup also backs the sowatchd.conf file, thankfully :) |
| 23:57.49 | javispedro | tries NFS Shift |
| 23:57.55 | GeneralAntilles | It's boring |
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| 23:57.59 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 23:58.01 | GeneralAntilles | 'course I've been playing Forza 4 all week. |
| 23:58.33 | javispedro | I've had no VGA card for nearly two weeks. At this point, I'm starting to find Solitaire extremely fun again. |
| 23:59.19 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Nethack. |
| 23:59.37 | javispedro | maybe a good time to pick it up |