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| 00:12.54 | thp | npm: the headset code is in https://github.com/xerxes2/panucci/blob/master/src/panucci/dbusinterface.py |
| 00:13.38 | thp | npm: also, see http://repo.or.cz/w/panucci.git?a=search&h=HEAD&st=grep&s=headset_device |
| 00:27.43 | npm | thanks thp |
| 00:28.45 | npm | that all looks hairy enough that i'll add it as a feature in some future rev.... now that i've got ' HEADSET_PATH = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_retu_headset_logicaldev_input'' my google searches for C++ or QML code willl be easier :-) |
| 00:29.27 | npm | seems like there should be a generic QML way of talking to dbus devices like that |
| 00:31.11 | npm | was looking for/hoping for a "one liner" QML feature... must get back to implementing the unimplemented hard ones first |
| 01:10.03 | npm | finally finds http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qmsystem2/classMeeGo_1_1QmKeys.html (again) |
| 01:11.12 | npm | alas MeeGo::QmKeys::getKeyState() doesn't generate events so you'd have to poll? |
| 01:15.21 | berndhs | says it sends signals |
| 01:21.13 | npm | thanks berndhs for reading more carefully |
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| 01:22.11 | berndhs | anything to avoid people polling :) |
| 01:23.31 | npm | i was actually back to twiddling my delegate in ListView ... i think the mic button is a feature for next rev ... |
| 01:25.30 | SpeedEvil | Does the underlying architecture poll thogh |
| 01:27.16 | berndhs | this is for keyboard slider, volume button and other low life hardware objects |
| 01:27.47 | berndhs | seems unlikely the hardware would poll for that |
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| 01:46.09 | SpeedEvil | the hardware - no |
| 01:46.15 | SpeedEvil | typically there will be an interrupt |
| 01:46.32 | SpeedEvil | Does the driver and middleware properly expose that interrupt, or does it poll |
| 01:48.12 | berndhs | yeah, that depends on what kind of people write the driver and middleware :) |
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| 06:03.57 | MohammadAG | woo, N950 in Israel, with a "Clearance delay" |
| 06:05.29 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 06:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | clearance delay, hah |
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| 06:52.43 | Nathanael_Anders | Hey, anyone know what replaced QAbstractKineticScroller in Harmattan? I still see it in the 4.7 docs but it appears to be non-existant in Harmattan SDK. |
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| 07:08.10 | trx | you can use it for non qml components |
| 07:08.27 | trx | (eg. only widget based) |
| 07:08.37 | trx | and it works fine |
| 07:08.51 | Nathanael_Anders | I have some code I'm trying to convert from Maemo, and QAbstractKineticScroller is not a valid component apparently in Harmatten. |
| 07:08.57 | trx | for qml components, there is Scroller |
| 07:09.09 | trx | or Flickable, cant remember from my head |
| 07:09.17 | trx | google one of those |
| 07:11.42 | Nathanael_Anders | 4.8 has QScroller; but I can't seem to find anything for 4.7 (Flickable is qml) |
| 07:13.49 | ieatlint | take a look at mtf widgets, i think there's something there for that |
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| 07:14.12 | trx | you can't mix qt and qml for visual components like that |
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| 07:15.32 | ieatlint | you can actually, but it's not ideal, and not necessary here |
| 07:15.44 | ieatlint | he wants a qt widget based solution |
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| 07:15.53 | ieatlint | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta2/api_refs/xml/daily-docs/libmeegotouch/class_m_pannable_viewport.html might do it |
| 07:16.55 | ieatlint | although i guess that doesn't take a regular widget |
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| 08:13.00 | iekku | hi |
| 08:16.18 | vladest | hi |
| 08:16.44 | vladest | n9 released in russia. any plans to update fw on n950? |
| 08:18.01 | dm8tbr | moaning |
| 08:18.11 | dm8tbr | vladest: ask nokia |
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| 08:19.28 | vladest | may be some1 heard something |
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| 08:41.08 | ieatlint | the n9 ships with 34-1, and i don't think has any updates yet |
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| 09:18.14 | artemma | On OS X I installed findutils (trying to fix issue with packaging scripts expecting GNU find) and that somehow broke all toolchains. Now even SDK maintenance tells "You need a C++ compiler to be able to install the SDK". Uninstallation of findutils didn't help. |
| 09:18.22 | artemma | Do you know where/how SDK maintenance (and other parts of Qt) actually look for compilers? I can see them pretty well in the command line. |
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| 09:26.22 | mja | morning guys |
| 09:26.33 | faenil | morning :) |
| 09:26.52 | mja | when swiping away my app/game, is there a signal for that? |
| 09:27.14 | artemma | there was some kind of deactivated signal somewhere |
| 09:27.25 | faenil | exactly |
| 09:27.41 | mja | 'cause currently the music that's playing keeps playing even when the program is minimised |
| 09:27.43 | faenil | the window gets "deactivated" |
| 09:28.16 | mja | so was wondering if there indeed is a activated/deactivated signal |
| 09:28.17 | faenil | just look at the Qml demos you have on the phne |
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| 09:29.12 | artemma | on Symbian there is foreground property in Symbian component, but I think I've seen something cross-platfrom as well |
| 09:30.56 | artemma | if your UI is built on Pages you can work around it by examining status property of the Page |
| 09:31.14 | artemma | oh no, it will probably be active even if page is behind other apps |
| 09:31.25 | mja | I've only got qml for the main menu |
| 09:31.39 | mja | everything else is c++/graphicsview |
| 09:32.13 | faenil | I don't know how to do that without using components.. |
| 09:32.15 | ieatlint | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Application_development_framework/Application_lifecycle_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK |
| 09:32.22 | mja | but I'll just send the app as it is to Store and see what the QA peeps say :) |
| 09:32.40 | faenil | :D |
| 09:32.50 | ieatlint | that page tells you how to determine if you're in the foreground/background/task switcher |
| 09:33.24 | faenil | exactly that's what I was talking about, but does it work without using components? |
| 09:33.40 | ieatlint | nope |
| 09:33.51 | mja | no, it's only for qml and Harmattan components |
| 09:33.51 | artemma | aha, I recalled! |
| 09:33.53 | artemma | Qt.application |
| 09:34.01 | artemma | examine its active property |
| 09:34.02 | artemma | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-qt.html#application-prop |
| 09:34.10 | ieatlint | if you watch the QWidget and look at the event fields, you can get some of the info |
| 09:35.55 | mja | thanks guys, this is useful information! |
| 09:36.39 | mja | (can't be arsed to look into event handlers just for this though unless my app gets rejected;) |
| 09:40.06 | iekku | hmmm, is that common attitude? "just send my app and wait QA to test it" |
| 09:40.15 | mja | yes |
| 09:40.20 | iekku | i see |
| 09:40.24 | mja | ;) |
| 09:40.51 | artemma | depends on what your app is doing, but if it's just a single screen qml game it's pretty hard to fail QA :) |
| 09:41.13 | mja | no, it only uses qml for the main menu |
| 09:41.16 | iekku | :nod: |
| 09:41.23 | artemma | unless you mess up with the meta data such as correct version number everywhere and e.g. forget to include About page |
| 09:41.23 | gri | I wonder if they really find out what my app does :P |
| 09:41.27 | mja | then switches to c++ when the game starts |
| 09:41.43 | mja | if it was qml only, it would be easy to pause music when minimising the game |
| 09:42.10 | iekku | not sure how much qa tests the "outside" apps |
| 09:42.35 | artemma | If you *are* interested, documents in ovi store are quite detailed about testing |
| 09:42.45 | artemma | I don't think they explain exactly everything, but a lot |
| 09:42.58 | iekku | artemma, i work as a error manager for the ovi-store |
| 09:43.03 | artemma | :) |
| 09:43.15 | artemma | then you know better |
| 09:43.18 | mja | Isn't it just "Store" |
| 09:43.30 | Arkenoi | *suddenly* my devel-sh stopped running arbitrary binaries. what could be possible reason? |
| 09:43.50 | artemma | hopes that Elop will be fired before ovi store is fully rebranding and then I won't have to learn the new name |
| 09:44.01 | artemma | *rebranded* |
| 09:48.06 | iekku | mja, i think so, i'm just old fashion |
| 09:53.49 | gri | Did anyone here ever try to contact picker? I've some reparenting problems with it |
| 09:54.53 | gri | Since you have to show the contact picker via D-Bus and give your window handle as first parameter, this works fine. Switcher shows contact picker over my application. When closing the picker, switcher goes back to minimized state instead of my application :( |
| 10:18.47 | MohammadAG | mja, QEvent::WindowDeactivate or something |
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| 10:29.58 | mja | MohammadAG: Cheers, I'll have a look. I already implemented a touch event handler in the game so shouldn't be too difficult |
| 10:37.20 | artemma | Does anybody know where Qt SDK Maintenance (and other parts of Qt) look for compiler? |
| 10:37.39 | artemma | I managed to break my toolchains yesterday by installing findutils and can't fix stuff |
| 10:37.47 | artemma | from command line gcc works |
| 10:40.14 | artemma | trying to reinstall XCode now (Mac OS X issue) |
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| 10:48.45 | gri | artemma, XCode for Qt use?! |
| 10:49.07 | artemma | that is required on Mac OS X |
| 10:49.35 | artemma | well, if you cross-compile for mobiles only, maybe there is way to go without xcode |
| 10:49.46 | artemma | but for Mac builds you can't go arounf xcode |
| 10:49.56 | gri | I mean I have XCode installed but never started it for Qt development |
| 10:50.11 | artemma | gri, it is started somehow implicitly |
| 10:50.21 | artemma | not the XCode IDE, but some of its tools |
| 10:50.26 | artemma | c++ compiler maybe |
| 10:50.41 | gri | Sure, the compiler comes with XCode :) |
| 10:51.19 | artemma | so the thing is that apparently macports changed some system variables and now QT Creator is not able to locate the compiler |
| 10:51.34 | artemma | and uninstallation of findutils didn't help |
| 10:51.53 | artemma | I examined what I knew about PATH definition on Mac and couldn't find anything wrong |
| 10:52.07 | artemma | but my experience in system stuff is quite poort |
| 10:52.08 | artemma | poor |
| 10:52.28 | artemma | right now I am finishing XCode reinstallation, let's see if it helps |
| 10:52.30 | gri | finds mac more confusing than linux :) |
| 10:53.00 | artemma | starts being sad that he didn't buy external HDD for Time Machine. Automatic restore would be so useful right now |
| 10:53.33 | artemma | and in parallel I am upgrading Qt SDK in my Wndows virtual machine :) |
| 10:53.37 | gri | Well, mine complains it was not able to backup since May 9th. Forgot to attach the hdd since that |
| 10:53.55 | artemma | I do want to finish app before N9 sales start even if it means surrending to virtual windows |
| 10:54.13 | gri | I usally use a Windows Laptop with Ubuntu in a VirtualBox vm for development ? but I had to send it in last week :/ |
| 10:54.39 | artemma | gri, that's the point. I thought about same situation and decided not to but HDD. The real *solution* would be to buy Apple Time Capsule, but that's way more expensive |
| 10:54.55 | Arkenoi | hmm, n9 sales already started? i was on the party last thursday |
| 10:55.03 | artemma | not everywhere |
| 10:55.12 | artemma | I think only in Switzerland and somewhere else |
| 10:55.17 | artemma | mass sales start is Oct 13 |
| 10:55.20 | Arkenoi | Russia |
| 10:55.23 | artemma | in Finland for sure |
| 10:55.37 | artemma | ok, then I am late already :) |
| 10:56.27 | artemma | xcode reinstallation didn't help :( |
| 10:56.36 | artemma | though maybe it needs reboot as well |
| 10:56.45 | Arkenoi | wonders if any more changes will be in aegis in new firmware releases.. and if i will be able to run arbitrary binaries even with devel-sh or not |
| 10:57.00 | artemma | fck! where does Qt search for C++ compiler?!! |
| 10:58.05 | mja | artemma: would SDK reinstall solve your problem? |
| 10:58.15 | artemma | tried already, didn't help |
| 10:58.30 | artemma | well, sdk installer itself tells it can't find c++ compiler and asks to install xcode |
| 10:58.45 | artemma | you can ignore it, but then toolchains don't work |
| 10:58.45 | artemma | a |
| 10:58.50 | mja | ach.. sorry to hear that |
| 10:58.53 | artemma | nd even some installation steps fail |
| 11:03.46 | mja | Hm expansys lists N9 for £519 |
| 11:04.05 | mja | no availability information though |
| 11:04.19 | artemma | OH! |
| 11:04.36 | artemma | I can start SDK maintenance and I guess anything else just fine from the command line! |
| 11:04.47 | artemma | So it is definitely about some environment variables |
| 11:05.03 | artemma | Maybe I destroyed/corrupted launchd.conf or something like this |
| 11:05.14 | artemma | that is fixed later by shell's .profile |
| 11:05.28 | artemma | gosh, how to fix it the proper way then.. |
| 11:07.27 | artemma | updating SDK now, let's how well it will fix corruption. At least I have a workaround for now - I can start everything from the command line |
| 11:09.52 | artemma | expects a good part of a day to be wasted on many redownloads.. |
| 11:16.48 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ping ping ping |
| 11:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? |
| 11:17.42 | MohammadAG | wasn't package-manager closed source? |
| 11:17.49 | MohammadAG | cause apt-get source-ing it works |
| 11:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | err, dunno |
| 11:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | gimme a unique filename to search for in my daily mirror |
| 11:19.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, wasn't package-manager's tar something that only appeared only google's cache? |
| 11:19.37 | MohammadAG | although it was 150MBs, not 15 |
| 11:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | yes, some 120MB tar (or sth like that) with allegedly several pkg-manager tools in it IIRC |
| 11:20.05 | MohammadAG | anyway, new kernel's on the repos |
| 11:20.12 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 11:20.36 | MohammadAG | at least I think so, 362 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. |
| 11:20.36 | MohammadAG | Need to get 543MB of archives. |
| 11:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders which was a proper wget cmd for that |
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| 11:23.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta2/free/k/kernel/ |
| 11:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, so my http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool mirror should catch it, good |
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| 11:29.30 | djszapi | ~seen wazd |
| 11:29.36 | infobot | wazd <~wazd@188.123.241.176> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 9d 3h 47m 47s ago, saying: 'heya'. |
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| 11:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yup, in beta2 there's a lot more about package-manager than in beta |
| 11:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | [jr@lagrange ~]$ find nokia/harmattan-dev.nokia.com_2011-10-08 -name '*manager*'|grep package-manager|wc -l |
| 11:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | 39 |
| 11:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | [jr@lagrange ~]$ find nokia/harmattan-dev.nokia.com_2011-08-12 -name '*manager*'|grep package-manager|wc -l |
| 11:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | 3 |
| 11:36.49 | MohammadAG | look for aegis related sources |
| 11:41.33 | DocScrutinizer | why? aegis been free from beginning, no? |
| 11:42.05 | MohammadAG | really? then what stops it being replaced? |
| 11:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | the dependencies to TPM which isn't available in open mode? the refusal of old NOLO to load unsigned kernels? |
| 11:52.55 | faenil | nice, I get "multiple definition of main" on harmattan, but it compiles and runs ok in windows... |
| 11:53.02 | faenil | any idea? |
| 11:55.52 | faenil | I have only 1 main, ofc.. |
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| 12:01.41 | faenil | I think my harmattan target is screwed... |
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| 12:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | also all those friggin daily rsyncs now suddenly bitt |
| 12:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | bite out 30GB of my disk storage |
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| 12:41.55 | DocScrutinizer | fwiw -> http://paste.debian.net/135205/ size := amount of changes (aka files that aren't hardlinked to the recent base image) |
| 13:16.38 | djszapi | faenil: can you paste your code ? |
| 13:17.38 | faenil | too long :) |
| 13:17.43 | faenil | but I have only one main... |
| 13:17.57 | faenil | I think the problem is caused by the updater failing the update process multiple times.. |
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| 13:19.06 | djszapi | make a workhorse which reproduces the isuse |
| 13:19.08 | djszapi | issue* |
| 13:20.41 | faenil | unistalling sdk and reinstalling newer version atm |
| 13:20.54 | faenil | I'll try if that doesn't solve the issue |
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| 13:23.16 | rayyen | on device development on the N9 is it possible? Any special repo? |
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| 13:24.05 | djszapi | rayyen: no, there is no gcc on the device |
| 13:25.33 | rayyen | no chance of having gcc "ported" or added using a community repo? or something? |
| 13:27.13 | rcg | rayyen: well, at least you can do some QML hacking on the device.. |
| 13:27.16 | djszapi | gcc would not be enough |
| 13:27.50 | rcg | just put your QML files at some place in the filesystem instead of .qrc stuff |
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| 13:32.55 | rayyen | didnt the N900 have development repos? with gcc and such things? Or have I just made that up? :P |
| 13:33.23 | rayyen | although n900 was maemo.. but anyway. :P |
| 13:34.15 | djszapi | Harmattan is also mameo |
| 13:34.17 | djszapi | maemo* |
| 13:36.16 | rayyen | djszapi, so its pretty much up to nokia if they decide to release extra repositories? As far as I understand thats what they did for the n900..? |
| 13:36.41 | djszapi | what do you mean ? We already have a community repository. |
| 13:36.56 | djszapi | You miss it from the default configuration and operation ? |
| 13:38.46 | MohammadAG | just add the SDK repo |
| 13:45.10 | rayyen | Thanks |
| 13:46.01 | djszapi | rayyen: note, gcc is not enough since you need to package the things. |
| 13:46.08 | djszapi | you might need dpkg-dev, too |
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| 13:51.49 | rayyen | djszapi, thanks :) |
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| 15:59.02 | faenil | my package doesn't get installed on n950, dependency problem reported...when can I get more details? |
| 15:59.30 | djszapi | Could you please paste the output ? |
| 15:59.30 | faenil | buy maybe I know why :) beta2 target on beta1 fw.. |
| 15:59.37 | djszapi | lol |
| 15:59.44 | faenil | :P |
| 15:59.50 | faenil | that must be it |
| 16:00.10 | faenil | anyway, djszapi, problem with the multiple main definition was the makefile |
| 16:00.19 | faenil | it had 2 main.cpp ... |
| 16:00.28 | faenil | I have no clue why... |
| 16:01.01 | faenil | it's created automatically... |
| 16:01.14 | faenil | and 2 main.cpp were set for compiling, when there's only one in the folder |
| 16:01.57 | Nathanael_Anders | Anyone know what to use instead of QMaemo5InformationBox when porting a qt app? |
| 16:02.18 | djszapi | faenil: qtcreator ... I do not wonder ... |
| 16:02.31 | djszapi | and the phantastic qmake ... |
| 16:02.40 | faenil | xD |
| 16:03.07 | djszapi | seriously, qtcreator and qmake just cause issues. |
| 16:03.20 | faenil | yeah I know, had issues multiple times |
| 16:03.30 | djszapi | never had those issues in scratchbox. |
| 16:03.42 | faenil | never used scratchbox :) |
| 16:03.52 | djszapi | I do it nonstop. |
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| 17:33.32 | jykae | hey, does aegis restrict running python programs from the shell on n950? |
| 17:35.16 | jykae | can insufficient permissions kill the program with segfault? |
| 17:36.03 | djszapi | no |
| 17:37.28 | tarantism | djszapi: I understand that you would know about whether it'll be possible to load a custom pulseaudio module on Harmattan? |
| 17:38.25 | djszapi | nope :p |
| 17:38.44 | tarantism | nope it's not possible or nope you don't know? |
| 17:39.27 | djszapi | I would not like to know about that |
| 17:39.54 | tarantism | Fair enough. I must be confused! |
| 17:40.14 | djszapi | The answer is that /afaik/ it is not possible. |
| 17:40.34 | djszapi | our developer signing was rejected, so module and plugin loading is a misery on Harmattan .. |
| 17:40.51 | tarantism | oh |
| 17:40.54 | djszapi | it might work for some interface like account, that is. |
| 17:41.10 | tarantism | what do you mean? |
| 17:41.32 | djszapi | nvm |
| 17:41.50 | SpeedEvil | tarantism: I forget - did you ask javispedro about this - IIRC he was poking in this area. |
| 17:41.51 | tarantism | that's not non-volatile memory is it! |
| 17:42.07 | djszapi | tarantism: the point is not that |
| 17:42.16 | tarantism | I did but I thought he referenced djszapi - I may have my names confused |
| 17:42.25 | SpeedEvil | possible |
| 17:42.27 | djszapi | exactly, I was helping javispedro |
| 17:42.33 | SpeedEvil | I don't know how much he knows about it. |
| 17:42.33 | tarantism | right |
| 17:42.39 | djszapi | I told the same to him many weeks ago, too ;)O |
| 17:43.10 | tarantism | If I were working on a commercial app for ovi, would it be possible to "get it signed" or whatever |
| 17:43.32 | djszapi | if you achieve the QA, yes. |
| 17:43.45 | djszapi | but you cannot test it properly locally anyways |
| 17:43.47 | tarantism | That's a better answer - thanks |
| 17:43.48 | SpeedEvil | I assume there isn't however a way to develop... |
| 17:43.54 | tarantism | oh |
| 17:43.55 | djszapi | so you cannot get into the stage to push into OVI .. |
| 17:44.03 | SpeedEvil | djszapi: Testing on RDA? |
| 17:44.03 | tarantism | double oh |
| 17:44.16 | djszapi | SpeedEvil: nice joke |
| 17:44.28 | SpeedEvil | (though for sound app, ...) |
| 17:44.44 | SpeedEvil | You could at least tell if it starts, but more is going to be problematic. |
| 17:44.45 | djszapi | tarantism: the whole problem was one year ago |
| 17:45.00 | tarantism | yes? |
| 17:45.04 | djszapi | we wanted to provide a developer signing opportunity for those cases, but the management rejected |
| 17:45.14 | djszapi | we had the POC code in place. |
| 17:45.16 | tarantism | I see |
| 17:46.24 | tarantism | Well my module's pretty simple and works on a bunch of different pa releases so what could possibly go wrong? |
| 17:46.35 | tarantism | It'll be fine. |
| 17:46.51 | djszapi | tarantism: I have never seen a proper product with missing testing in the workflow. |
| 17:46.55 | DocScrutinizer | no way to load modules |
| 17:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | unless you severely hack your target system |
| 17:47.15 | tarantism | djszapi: I was joking |
| 17:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | see http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy |
| 17:47.58 | tarantism | DocScrutinizer: that's pretty clear - thanks |
| 17:48.07 | djszapi | tarantism: http://altdevblogaday.com/2011/10/04/a-pre-commit-checklist/ |
| 17:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | and I doubt there'S a standard way for "mere mortals" to get Nokia signing your module |
| 17:48.34 | djszapi | "Does it compile" point. |
| 17:51.25 | merlin1991 | hm #4 in the not doable list is wrong |
| 17:51.29 | merlin1991 | I did that yesterday |
| 17:51.34 | merlin1991 | on a n9 with beta2 firmware |
| 17:52.09 | djszapi | merlin1991 link ? |
| 17:52.19 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer link |
| 17:52.26 | merlin1991 | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy |
| 17:52.30 | djszapi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.34 | djszapi | oh okay. |
| 17:52.35 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 17:53.13 | merlin1991 | I did just scp the app and run it |
| 17:53.14 | djszapi | merlin1991: well, you probably have the aegis-crypto old version, that is why .. |
| 17:53.16 | tarantism | Not clear to me what in that list stops you loading a pulse module. |
| 17:53.17 | djszapi | please do not publish securirty holes. |
| 17:53.27 | djszapi | security* |
| 17:53.46 | tarantism | ssh |
| 17:53.51 | merlin1991 | scp + run in dev mode isn't exactly a security hole :D |
| 17:54.28 | djszapi | there are many duplicated entries on that page. |
| 17:54.38 | djszapi | merlin1991: you cannot do that |
| 17:54.46 | merlin1991 | strange |
| 17:54.47 | djszapi | with R&D key and security hole. |
| 17:54.52 | djszapi | without* |
| 17:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I don't see how you possibly could do that |
| 17:55.19 | djszapi | tarantism: module loading is not mentioned on that wikipage, so go rant there :) |
| 17:55.23 | merlin1991 | it was quite fun, agipa said that shouldn't work and was about to explain me the hack when it worked without a prob |
| 17:56.03 | djszapi | you mean acsipa |
| 17:56.11 | merlin1991 | true |
| 17:56.14 | djszapi | er... |
| 17:56.25 | djszapi | *achipa |
| 17:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | you noticed the >>If it requires a single Aegis token<< part, didn't you? |
| 17:57.44 | djszapi | I could not reproduce it with the steps, you mentioned. |
| 17:58.32 | tarantism | djszapi: "rant" over. |
| 17:58.54 | merlin1991 | I'll have to try again when I get to hack again, my memory about the last day is slightly clouded |
| 17:59.26 | djszapi | merlin1991: please mail me with the steps, if that is possible. |
| 17:59.36 | djszapi | it must be a security hole somewhere, and please do not publish it |
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| 18:36.46 | djszapi | Khertan: ping |
| 18:37.02 | djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=KhtEditor&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan and https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=khteditor&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan |
| 18:37.16 | djszapi | I am deleting the second one since that has no uploaded files, and seems to be a duplication. |
| 18:37.44 | djszapi | Done. Package 'khteditor' was removed successfully from project 'home:rzr:harmattan' |
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| 18:59.10 | artemma | libsyncpluginmgr/ClientPlugin.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:59.11 | artemma | :/ |
| 18:59.24 | artemma | cannot build my project after reinstalling everythin |
| 18:59.40 | artemma | the headers are present on my laptop |
| 18:59.50 | artemma | Artem-Marchenkos-MacBook-Pro:QtSDK artem$ find . -name "ClientPlugin.h" |
| 18:59.50 | artemma | ./Madde/sysroots/harmattan-nokia-arm-sysroot/usr/include/libsyncpluginmgr/ClientPlugin.h |
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| 19:00.22 | artemma | the .pro file is probably also ok (since it was building fine before reinstalling SDK) |
| 19:00.41 | artemma | so problems are probably with Qt/target settings |
| 19:03.00 | artemma | can I somehow check which include folders are actually checked? |
| 19:04.02 | djszapi | anybody ideas for this issue ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=soprano&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard |
| 19:04.14 | djszapi | artemma: look at the compiler line. |
| 19:04.23 | djszapi | should be "-Ixxx" |
| 19:04.28 | artemma | aha, it looks like sysroot actually used is Madde/sysroots/harmattan-arm-sysroot , not Madde/sysroots/harmattan-nokia-arm-sysroot :/ |
| 19:04.37 | artemma | can't understand it |
| 19:04.55 | artemma | Qt version chosen is Harmattan Platform API |
| 19:05.13 | djszapi | phantastic qtcreator and other environments :) |
| 19:05.18 | artemma | has little idea how to figure sysroot used from Qt definition |
| 19:05.30 | artemma | djszapi: It doesn't compile from command line as well |
| 19:05.37 | artemma | I tried qmake, makefile |
| 19:05.47 | artemma | I tried qmake, make |
| 19:06.10 | djszapi | drop me your project pls. |
| 19:06.14 | djszapi | in a tarball |
| 19:06.17 | djszapi | let me try it out in sb .. |
| 19:08.34 | artemma | sending via DCC |
| 19:08.54 | artemma | actually I am interested even in general: where is sysroot used set |
| 19:09.35 | gri | the guys in #qt-creator may know (at daytime) |
| 19:09.52 | artemma | it's not qt creator specific |
| 19:09.59 | artemma | I can't build from command line as well |
| 19:10.13 | artemma | in fact it is very harmattan specific as I can't use harmattan platform api :) |
| 19:10.19 | artemma | meego api seems to be fine |
| 19:10.19 | gri | but all other apis? |
| 19:10.20 | djszapi | on a side note: is madde worth trying it out ? |
| 19:10.37 | gri | djszapi, For me madde works like scratchbox |
| 19:10.38 | artemma | qmake used is from madde |
| 19:11.01 | djszapi | gri: okay, so not worth it for me since not any better : |
| 19:11.02 | djszapi | :) |
| 19:11.08 | artemma | djszapi: it looks like it can't send file to u |
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| 19:11.42 | artemma | though.. what do you want to check? That very project was building fine before SDK reinstallation |
| 19:11.43 | djszapi | do I need to be identified for that ? I have just identified myself, maybe.. |
| 19:12.01 | artemma | ok, resending |
| 19:12.13 | gri | djszapi, The better part of madde is: you don't have to copy your sources into a directory where scratchbox can find it. You can compile in the same directory for different platforms and even use "run on device" without the hassle of copying a .deb to the device by hand |
| 19:12.13 | djszapi | yes, I heard it many times ... and results were that, it works fine in sb, qtcreator is screwing up the things .. |
| 19:12.17 | artemma | email mabe? just 75KB |
| 19:12.46 | gri | but the "run on device part" is QtCreator which you don't like :) |
| 19:12.48 | artemma | djszapi: maybe I don't know how to use command line properly, but as I tried it wasn't building there as well |
| 19:12.50 | djszapi | artemma: just publish it on the web. There are many sites for that. |
| 19:13.36 | djszapi | gri: very simple 1) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot 2) scp 3) run, done |
| 19:13.45 | djszapi | 2) scp + ssh* |
| 19:14.03 | djszapi | the sb workflow is as simple as that. </3 |
| 19:14.17 | gri | djszapi, Yeah, but simply pressing F5 is more simple to me :P |
| 19:14.30 | djszapi | except that I am a cli hacker ;) |
| 19:14.53 | djszapi | I prefer cutting down the layers if possible. |
| 19:15.21 | djszapi | aka. I like knowing what the background is, and if it means 3 commands, it means that. |
| 19:15.29 | djszapi | much better control in my hands about the system :) |
| 19:15.51 | djszapi | Can you use cmake in madde btw ? |
| 19:16.00 | gri | I assume not |
| 19:16.10 | djszapi | that is out-of-the-question then for kde projects. |
| 19:16.23 | djszapi | and for many others. |
| 19:16.47 | artemma | http://www.4shared.com/file/BrGFOX9n/eventsexample2.html? |
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| 19:19.25 | gri | djszapi, But it should be possible to add cmake to madde ? I just don't know how :) |
| 19:19.44 | djszapi | why to add, if it is already there in sb ? :p |
| 19:19.51 | djszapi | why not use what works ? ;) |
| 19:20.13 | gri | Everyone has his prefereed environment :) |
| 19:20.18 | gri | preferred* |
| 19:21.31 | artemma | when reinstalling SDK I skipped Maemo toolchain. That is ok, isn't it? |
| 19:21.46 | gri | artemma, This is ok |
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| 19:22.23 | gri | I only have the harmattan platform api, desktop qt and simulator |
| 19:26.48 | artemma | tried adding a Qt version manually to point to harmattan api, didn't help |
| 19:27.37 | artemma | I see from build logs that it is using Madde/sysroots/harmattan-arm-sysroot, not Madde/sysroots/harmattan-nokia-arm-sysroot |
| 19:28.18 | artemma | where is it supposed to get this -nokia- part? |
| 19:28.19 | gri | only has harmattan-arm-sysroot |
| 19:28.30 | artemma | gri, I am trying to use platform api |
| 19:28.43 | artemma | libsyncpluginmgr to be precise |
| 19:28.56 | artemma | for event feed related stuff |
| 19:28.58 | gri | the -nokia part is not the platform api |
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| 19:29.39 | artemma | hmm, maybe my harmattan-arm-sysroot isn't properly installed |
| 19:30.00 | artemma | can you check if you have ClientPlugin.h somewhere inside your sysroot? |
| 19:30.09 | gri | Madde/sysroots/harmattan-arm-sysroot/usr/include/libsyncpluginmgr exists here |
| 19:30.14 | artemma | Madde/sysroots/harmattan-nokia-arm-sysroot/usr/include/libsyncpluginmgr/ClientPlugin.h on my system |
| 19:30.18 | gri | ClientPlugin.h is also there |
| 19:30.24 | artemma | oh.. |
| 19:30.26 | artemma | funny |
| 19:30.30 | artemma | are you on windows? |
| 19:30.35 | gri | mac |
| 19:30.39 | artemma | me too |
| 19:30.45 | artemma | now it's real funny :/ |
| 19:30.59 | artemma | I just deleted whole QtSDK today and reinstalled from offline installer |
| 19:31.21 | artemma | one more clean reinstallation needed maybe? |
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| 19:33.13 | gri | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4691970/Bildschirmfoto%202011-10-09%20um%2021.30.58.png |
| 19:33.35 | artemma | hey, I believe you |
| 19:33.52 | artemma | I just wonder why the situation is different on my laptop and how to fix it |
| 19:34.00 | artemma | what's your sdk version? |
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| 19:34.03 | artemma | mine is 1.1.3 |
| 19:34.05 | gri | same |
| 19:34.19 | artemma | is starting updater |
| 19:34.27 | artemma | maybe if I update the harmattan component |
| 19:34.51 | artemma | hey! |
| 19:35.06 | artemma | There's huge amount of updates available shown in updater |
| 19:35.10 | artemma | harmattan api included |
| 19:35.34 | artemma | I kind of expected offline SDK to save some download time, not waste it :) |
| 19:35.35 | gri | did you install from offline installer? |
| 19:35.42 | artemma | yep, from offline |
| 19:36.10 | gri | Well, that's your problem :) They updated a lot last week |
| 19:36.14 | gri | but no new sdk version |
| 19:36.23 | artemma | oh |
| 19:36.39 | artemma | the change seems to be way bigger than that |
| 19:36.48 | artemma | I have wk22 harmattan and there's wk 34 |
| 19:36.57 | artemma | if I decode component name correctly |
| 19:37.13 | gri | It's fitting to beta2 |
| 19:37.31 | gri | (some debs are still missing and only available in scratchbox ..) |
| 19:38.11 | artemma | ok, I selected seemingly minimal set of components and started update |
| 19:38.19 | artemma | let's see if i selected enough |
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| 19:38.39 | gri | On my machine it deleted the old madde sysroot and created a new one |
| 19:54.26 | ieatlint | just updated his laptop and booted into linux 3.0.6... |
| 19:54.37 | ieatlint | 15 years of a 2.x kernel... weird. |
| 19:54.47 | djszapi | no major update though |
| 19:54.56 | djszapi | so do not expect any difference |
| 19:55.08 | djszapi | it is like using 2.6.40, just numbers .. |
| 19:55.11 | ieatlint | yeah, i know |
| 19:55.26 | ieatlint | but given the headache for 2.4 to 2.6, i'm not complaining |
| 19:55.41 | ieatlint | just an interesting 15 year retrospection :P |
| 19:56.06 | djszapi | :p |
| 19:56.54 | ieatlint | i'm actually surprised that they didn't just use 2.8 given that there's no massive change |
| 19:57.23 | ieatlint | the 2.6.x numbers were getting crazy, but there was still an even minor number left before double digits |
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| 20:19.20 | rayyen | is there a way to disable aegis? Wasn't there suppose to be an "open mode"? |
| 20:20.18 | djszapi | no, that was rejected long ago |
| 20:21.28 | ieatlint | i'm going to make an aegis userspace app that will start at boot and run in the background, and at random intervals make a popup that tells the user "Permission denied for your safety" |
| 20:21.59 | RST38h | not at random times |
| 20:22.15 | RST38h | every time the user tries starting a non-Nokia app |
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| 20:22.29 | ieatlint | i don't think aegis would let me set that up |
| 20:23.54 | djszapi | rayyen: it is the closest way apart from abusing the security holes: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=31975&postcount=39 |
| 20:27.20 | rayyen | echo 0 > /sys/kernel... doesnt work. |
| 20:27.58 | djszapi | ofcourse |
| 20:29.07 | rayyen | oh |
| 20:37.29 | artemma | Error during installation process (com.nokia.ndk.experimental.harmattan.nokiameegoapi): |
| 20:37.29 | artemma | Execution failed(Unexpected exit code: 2): "/Users/artem/QtSDK/Madde/postinstall/harmattan-postinstall.sh" |
| 20:37.31 | artemma | bummer |
| 20:37.42 | artemma | I've seen that already |
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| 20:38.17 | artemma | that was right after the line "Creating default target harmattan-nokia-meego-api" |
| 20:38.25 | artemma | ignoring and hoping |
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| 20:50.02 | artemma | fck, no target folders are even present in the Madde folder! |
| 20:50.14 | artemma | is close to going crazy |
| 20:50.55 | artemma | ok, maybe if I wipe everything again and install everything from scratch using online installer.. several hours later maybe I get something working |
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| 20:51.29 | ieatlint | how'd you screw up your sdk so badly? :P |
| 20:51.47 | artemma | it all started with installing those findutils |
| 20:52.00 | artemma | then I managed to break PATH |
| 20:52.09 | ieatlint | haha |
| 20:52.17 | artemma | probably by deleting /etc/launchd.conf without realizing it |
| 20:52.29 | artemma | then there was a series of reinstalls of xcode and sdk |
| 20:52.39 | artemma | and PATH corrections |
| 20:52.39 | djszapi | do you use mac ? |
| 20:52.42 | artemma | yep |
| 20:52.47 | djszapi | cool |
| 20:52.53 | ieatlint | your sdk is clearly much more hacked together than mine |
| 20:52.56 | artemma | BTW, could somebody please post /etc/launchd.conf ? |
| 20:53.10 | artemma | from MAC that works fine with SDK |
| 20:53.26 | artemma | just to verify that I fixed PATH correctly |
| 20:53.33 | ieatlint | there is no /etc/launchd.conf on my osx machine |
| 20:53.36 | djszapi | I do not have such a file. |
| 20:53.37 | ieatlint | (10.6.7) |
| 20:53.49 | djszapi | not even /etc/init/.. |
| 20:54.24 | artemma | what about ~/.MacOSX/info.plist or whatever was the proper name for that plist |
| 20:54.35 | artemma | environment.plist maybe |
| 20:55.06 | djszapi | btw, could some of you help me to try to build my tiny-weeny software on Mac whether it builds ? |
| 20:55.14 | djszapi | with trying* |
| 20:55.21 | ieatlint | sure |
| 20:55.30 | artemma | djszapi: right now I doubt anything would build on my machine :D |
| 20:55.38 | djszapi | haha |
| 20:55.45 | ieatlint | artemma: there is no ~/.MacOSX/ folder here |
| 20:55.47 | djszapi | ieatlint: git clone git://anongit.kde.org/mula |
| 20:55.50 | artemma | when it works, sure, no problem |
| 20:56.01 | artemma | what about ~/.profile ? |
| 20:56.14 | djszapi | ieatlint: mkdir -p && cd build && cmake .. |
| 20:56.18 | djszapi | ieatlint: mkdir -p build && cd build && cmake .. |
| 20:56.18 | artemma | or .bash_profile maybe |
| 20:56.37 | ieatlint | i don't have cmake installed here |
| 20:57.05 | ieatlint | artemma: no .bash_profile |
| 20:57.12 | ieatlint | and i have an old .profile from macports |
| 20:57.17 | ieatlint | export PATH=/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:$PATH |
| 20:57.20 | ieatlint | tht's the only line in it |
| 20:57.35 | artemma | ok, the last question then. what is your PATH when you see it from command line |
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| 20:57.52 | artemma | you know, type "set" and see what the final PATH is |
| 20:58.15 | ieatlint | /opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/git/bin:/usr/X11/bin |
| 20:58.45 | djszapi | ieatlint: is it hard to install cmake on Mac |
| 20:58.55 | artemma | identical to mine.. |
| 20:59.02 | ieatlint | no clue :P |
| 20:59.24 | artemma | well, there is slight hope that I fixed everything and it is indeed just a bug with updating offline SDK installation with online updates |
| 20:59.29 | ieatlint | there's an installer on cmake.org, will give it a try |
| 20:59.31 | matrixx | artemma: congrats for the #1 place ;) |
| 20:59.39 | artemma | matrixx: thanks! |
| 20:59.51 | matrixx | mine is also #1 but in social category :) |
| 20:59.58 | artemma | matrixx: the super-best congratulations would be if you left a review? ;) |
| 21:00.00 | ieatlint | but if it depends on qt, then my qtsdk will only exist inside of the qtsdk toolchain, so it'd be as annoying as hell to build it outside of qtcreator |
| 21:00.00 | artemma | really |
| 21:00.01 | artemma | ? |
| 21:00.03 | artemma | checking |
| 21:00.28 | matrixx | artemma: I'll buy it tomorrow and review it :) |
| 21:00.37 | matrixx | now have to get some sleep, early wakeup |
| 21:00.42 | artemma | great, matrixx! |
| 21:00.52 | artemma | which one is your app? :/ |
| 21:00.56 | matrixx | Mash |
| 21:01.13 | artemma | ah, I was looking at the wrong tab |
| 21:01.30 | MohammadAG | artemma, which app got you #1? |
| 21:01.46 | MohammadAG | (no N9(50) with me atm) |
| 21:01.53 | artemma | Easy Discount Calculator - http://store.ovi.com/content/186742 |
| 21:02.12 | artemma | well, right now N9 ships is on sales to some countries only |
| 21:02.23 | artemma | so the 1st place in top sellers is shaky |
| 21:02.31 | MohammadAG | cool, congrats :) |
| 21:02.35 | artemma | that is why I need reviews and ratings so much :) |
| 21:02.45 | MohammadAG | my N950 should be here tomorrow |
| 21:03.14 | artemma | I must warn that discount calc is paid, not free |
| 21:03.20 | artemma | though not expensice either |
| 21:03.25 | artemma | not expensive |
| 21:03.28 | matrixx | yeah, I'm also celebrating until massive sales start :D |
| 21:03.35 | RST38h | Will it also let me compute the markup? =) |
| 21:03.55 | artemma | RST38h: as long as there is a discount - easily! :) |
| 21:04.16 | artemma | I wonder if there's a public yammer gateway to twitter to try matrixx 's app in real world |
| 21:04.42 | matrixx | I have no idea :/ |
| 21:04.58 | artemma | but I've seen the live demo already, so can rate wholeheartedly anyway |
| 21:05.45 | matrixx | hmm, I wonder if the top seller apps are in the rank order when you check the list of all apps |
| 21:05.51 | matrixx | mine seems to be #7 :) |
| 21:06.28 | SpeedEvil | You'r outselling EA! |
| 21:06.52 | matrixx | I wish :D |
| 21:06.57 | matrixx | then I could buy N9 :) |
| 21:07.45 | SpeedEvil | 'The Sims' is only #5 in games |
| 21:09.08 | artemma | matrixx, check your app's review page ;) |
| 21:10.41 | artemma | I can't even see sims in the games best sellers |
| 21:10.57 | artemma | oh no, it's here |
| 21:11.05 | artemma | #6 for me |
| 21:12.25 | matrixx | artemma: thanks :D |
| 21:12.37 | SpeedEvil | fails. |
| 21:12.37 | matrixx | I can see also sims as #6 |
| 21:12.44 | SpeedEvil | What is your app matrixx? |
| 21:12.58 | matrixx | SpeedEvil: Mash - a mobile Yammer client :) |
| 21:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | a wut? |
| 21:13.35 | artemma | Yammer is like mobile twitter/facebook for corporations |
| 21:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | aah game, never mind |
| 21:13.43 | matrixx | hehe, people either know Yammer or doesn't have ever heard of it :D |
| 21:13.58 | artemma | well, not actually mobile, just like corporate twitter/facebook |
| 21:14.34 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 21:14.36 | matrixx | I'm using it in my day job, so I made it for own use originally |
| 21:14.43 | SpeedEvil | I'm in the never heard of camp., |
| 21:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | too |
| 21:15.09 | artemma | well, it only makes sense if you work for big corporation |
| 21:15.13 | djszapi | I am also using it a lot (yammer) :) |
| 21:15.16 | artemma | and even then not everybody is into it |
| 21:15.17 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 21:15.25 | matrixx | yeah, don't know very small ones who are using |
| 21:15.33 | SpeedEvil | matrixx: can you reveal order of magnitude sales? |
| 21:15.40 | DocScrutinizer | grins evilly about "Yammer" which really sounds ... *cough*, in Germany |
| 21:15.50 | matrixx | SpeedEvil: I can, a less than a hundred :D |
| 21:15.51 | djszapi | artemma: which company do you work for ? |
| 21:15.52 | SpeedEvil | Can't imagine it's many, as the n9 doesn't seem to have had a huge initial push of orders. |
| 21:16.05 | SpeedEvil | matrixx: That's not horrible at all. |
| 21:16.07 | matrixx | djszapi: oh :D |
| 21:16.10 | artemma | gets ready for yet another reinstallation of QtSDK, this one from online. Sigh |
| 21:16.23 | artemma | djszapi: I am independent contractor for now |
| 21:16.27 | matrixx | SpeedEvil: yeah it's ok cause it's not really well on sales yet |
| 21:16.30 | djszapi | ieatlint: could you manage the cmake installation ? |
| 21:16.40 | artemma | just got my first gig to be starting on Tuesday actually :) |
| 21:16.57 | djszapi | I am also in change :p |
| 21:16.58 | artemma | that is if nothing prevents the final signing |
| 21:17.00 | matrixx | actually meant to "oh :D" for DocScrutinizer |
| 21:17.04 | artemma | before that I was working for Nokia for years |
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| 21:18.30 | djszapi | artemma: fremantle, harmattan, symbian, or something else ? |
| 21:18.58 | artemma | symbian speech recognition/synthesis, then Qt UI related tools |
| 21:19.10 | djszapi | do you know this project, Simon ? |
| 21:19.27 | artemma | if you are using text-to-speech ringing tone on Symbian, that wss my first project in Nokia |
| 21:19.36 | artemma | Simon? Doesn't ring a bell |
| 21:19.49 | djszapi | http://akademy2010.kde.org/node/511 |
| 21:19.59 | matrixx | I saw Simon at AKademy summer 2010 |
| 21:20.13 | matrixx | kinda very cool :) |
| 21:20.16 | djszapi | yeah, there are pdf and video there :) |
| 21:20.16 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: when I have a grumpy day I call our crowd of yammer users 'yammerlappen' |
| 21:20.26 | artemma | oh, I was working on speech recognition until sopmething like 2007 |
| 21:20.34 | artemma | that day, Nokia was best in class |
| 21:20.47 | artemma | with huge amount of languages working real well |
| 21:20.50 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: thought as much :-D |
| 21:20.51 | artemma | and some - ok |
| 21:20.59 | MohammadAG | then along came the iPhone |
| 21:21.12 | RST38h | And it was good. |
| 21:21.14 | djszapi | artemma: what was it based on ? |
| 21:21.14 | artemma | iPhone has nothing comparable until recently |
| 21:21.20 | RST38h | And the fauthful multiplied. |
| 21:21.30 | artemma | and even nowadays I doubt it will be as good as nokia for non-english langs |
| 21:21.32 | RST38h | faIthful sorry |
| 21:21.37 | MohammadAG | the N95 could beat the iPhone 2G hands down |
| 21:21.46 | RST38h | Nobody needs non-English langs |
| 21:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | for those completely lost: replace Y by J |
| 21:21.57 | RST38h | Hasn't Elop told you that only US market matters? |
| 21:22.13 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, QWERTJ kejboards rock |
| 21:22.16 | artemma | interestingly the final quality of speech recognition depended really a lot on the microphine and audio drivers. Some shitty hardware needed lots of manual fine tuning and it didn't help. Other phones - perfect |
| 21:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: meh ;-P |
| 21:22.34 | artemma | djszapi: based on internal nokia research |
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| 21:22.48 | RST38h | visited a few electronics stores yesterday (Maryland, US): there are 2 (TWO) WP7 phones vs 20+ Android ones |
| 21:22.52 | artemma | basis is done by Nokia Research Center and therefore available for everybody |
| 21:23.00 | artemma | concrete implementation - Nokia's |
| 21:23.10 | leinir | except in one incredibly important aspect: usability. While i don't agree with the iphone's concept of "the user is an idiot and must be protected from themselves at any cost", the older symbians simply had no usability considerations taken... Buttons in inconsistent locations, mixed interactions methods all over the place... |
| 21:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it's just our german 'J' is spoken like english 'Y' |
| 21:23.31 | RST38h | leinir: Sorry but I will disagree |
| 21:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | dunno the proper translation of "Jammerlappen" though |
| 21:23.56 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, I recently learned Joerg is spelled Yorg |
| 21:24.01 | RST38h | leinir: Used E70 for a long time and it was very, VERY usable. Seemingly "random" buttons were at just the right places for one handed operation |
| 21:24.03 | djszapi | artemma: ahh so you did not use Julius or HTK like Simon. |
| 21:24.09 | artemma | nope |
| 21:24.16 | artemma | well, not to my understanding |
| 21:24.21 | sivang | artemma: what's concerete implementation? |
| 21:24.24 | RST38h | None of the current tablet-phones are even getting close |
| 21:24.25 | DocScrutinizer | mor like Yearg |
| 21:24.25 | artemma | I wasn't really about the algorithms |
| 21:24.41 | leinir | RST38h: i'm sorry, but when the "back" button can be in two different place on /core/ applications (like settings and an email client), holy crap man... |
| 21:24.48 | artemma | I was caring about middleware and some overall engineering practices later |
| 21:24.58 | RST38h | leinir: it is the left softkey. Always. |
| 21:25.04 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I like German, especially when spoken by bechlorette partiers in Berlin's U-Bahn ;) |
| 21:25.20 | sivang | leinir: yep, I actually gave a talk about this :) |
| 21:25.25 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, considering I always thought it was spelled Joereg... :P |
| 21:25.26 | leinir | sivang: *nods* |
| 21:25.31 | sivang | leinir: well, timeless did that was his part :) |
| 21:25.38 | artemma | sivang: you know there's engine implementation, lots of algorithm finetunings based on ecordings, server-client exchange of date, integration into UX, etc |
| 21:25.55 | sivang | artemma: into Harmattan? |
| 21:26.08 | artemma | sivang: we were talking about old symbian times |
| 21:26.10 | sivang | artemma: or is this to makethe OS possilbe on the trimmed hardware |
| 21:26.15 | sivang | artemma: ah right |
| 21:26.45 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I had to luck to be invited to drink with them 4 times in a row, while taking the U-Bahn there |
| 21:27.00 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: shame I do not drink... anymore ;) |
| 21:27.21 | leinir | Also, dismissing menus, either with a tap ouside the menu, or by tapping the cancel button... yeah, that's pretty much unforgivable... At least they're much, much better now - Anna's just about there (even got the Chris Hills seal of approval) and Belle, well, i have high hopes there... But, what the N8 was born with... *shivers* |
| 21:27.31 | artemma | BTW about careers, if somebody knows a company in need of expert QML coder, I am available for contracting right here. That is unless you all promote my app so that it sells like hell |
| 21:27.58 | RST38h | QML...Umgh. |
| 21:28.04 | leinir | Mmm, QML :) |
| 21:28.15 | artemma | wonders if he can call himself truly expert if it takes a day to fix his Qt SDK |
| 21:28.18 | djszapi | artemma: Basyskom |
| 21:28.20 | djszapi | plasma active |
| 21:28.22 | leinir | (just balancing it out, there ;) ) |
| 21:28.26 | MohammadAG | I made a buss app in 10 minutes for the N900 |
| 21:28.33 | MohammadAG | QWidgets were awesome |
| 21:28.34 | ieatlint | djszapi: yeah, i can install cmake... downloading now |
| 21:28.34 | sivang | Hmm QML :-) |
| 21:28.58 | artemma | thx |
| 21:29.00 | djszapi | ieatlint: excellent :) |
| 21:29.06 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://gizmodo.com/5848065/orange-france-leaks-nokia-sun-windows-phone-nee-nokia-sea-ray |
| 21:29.17 | sivang | artemma: basysKom are doing pretty neat stuff with it, indeed. |
| 21:29.22 | sivang | artemma: Contour, plasma active |
| 21:29.27 | sivang | as djszapi said :) |
| 21:29.27 | RST38h | artemma: I think choosing to use QtSDK has been your first mistake |
| 21:29.36 | artemma | ? |
| 21:29.49 | djszapi | artemma: I am now actually building the plasma qt components for Harmattan |
| 21:30.03 | djszapi | that is what we will hopefully be hacking at the sprint :) |
| 21:30.07 | RST38h | artemma: Rather than installing quirky but rather standard Platform SDK, you went with the MADDEness thing |
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| 21:30.31 | RST38h | artemma: That kinda works, if you are real careful and are not touching any wrong things |
| 21:30.33 | artemma | Qt SDK was working well for me |
| 21:30.42 | artemma | heh |
| 21:30.56 | DocScrutinizer | well, about buttons: dialer accept and reject buttons (in fremantle) are as bad as it possibly gets: close to each other, pretty small without no particular reason, and no smart safe-operation concept like using slider-switches like e.g. the ones found in HARM settings |
| 21:30.57 | RST38h | Hell, even qmake does not work properly |
| 21:30.58 | artemma | the point of sdk is to get stuff up and running quickly |
| 21:31.06 | artemma | yeah, Plasma is cool |
| 21:31.07 | RST38h | artemma: Never happens in reality |
| 21:31.08 | djszapi | as we can see ... |
| 21:31.17 | artemma | it was :) |
| 21:31.20 | artemma | until I broke it |
| 21:31.41 | djszapi | I have never seen so many problems earlier than here with QtCreator and Madde from people. |
| 21:31.52 | artemma | RST38h: what platform sdk do you mean? |
| 21:32.10 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: this is solved in Harmattan accept / reject call UX |
| 21:32.10 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I was quite joyed to see it |
| 21:32.16 | sivang | RST38h: what issues are you having with the SDK? |
| 21:32.21 | matrixx | I'm running plasma over MeeGo on ExoPC |
| 21:32.24 | matrixx | it's awesome :) |
| 21:32.29 | RST38h | artemma: SB-based one |
| 21:32.35 | sivang | RST38h: (I use it for all of my Qt /Qml dev needs now days, and I used to use vi qmake and make ) |
| 21:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | the get-it-up-quickly stuff also is the stuff where you run into limitations just as quick and never achieve a really good finalized result |
| 21:32.40 | artemma | I don't know what it is |
| 21:32.48 | sivang | matrixx: ++ |
| 21:32.51 | RST38h | sivang: like...unability to package Harmattan apps when running QtSDK on WIndows? |
| 21:33.01 | sivang | RST38h: I use it on Linux... |
| 21:33.05 | RST38h | sivang: Resulting in...surprise...inability to run them on the emulator? |
| 21:33.13 | RST38h | sivang: I do not really care what you use. |
| 21:33.26 | sivang | RST38h: and the bug not fixed yet? |
| 21:33.34 | RST38h | sivang:No idea |
| 21:33.43 | sivang | RST38h: well,maybe you can set up a build environemtn yourself on windows that would not have this issue? |
| 21:33.47 | sivang | guesses |
| 21:34.07 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, ping? |
| 21:34.10 | sivang | I wish I know something about windows. ALl my knowledge in that went to oblivion when I stopped using it.. |
| 21:34.11 | RST38h | I am no longer having this issue. |
| 21:34.19 | RST38h | I switched to the Platform SDK on Linux. |
| 21:34.20 | sivang | RST38h: not using qtsdk ? |
| 21:34.28 | sivang | RST38h: ah, as in SB? |
| 21:34.43 | djszapi | sivang: windows 7 is in a pretty good shape |
| 21:34.46 | sivang | I gues the number of sdk tesers on windows is small or so |
| 21:34.47 | RST38h | Not using qmake either, after finding out it will silently drop source files from the build if it suspects them of having a circular dependency |
| 21:34.52 | ieatlint | djszapi: http://pastebin.com/ydZ2huvS |
| 21:34.54 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, pong |
| 21:35.15 | sivang | djszapi: still not in as good shape as my ubuntu on the laptop , and I know people will flamewar me for saying the U word :) |
| 21:35.19 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, what was the failure mode of your N950? |
| 21:35.26 | GeneralAntilles | Mine's started turning itself off on its own. |
| 21:35.38 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, overheating |
| 21:35.38 | sivang | ouch |
| 21:35.43 | MohammadAG | but nope, no offs here |
| 21:35.48 | RST38h | And I am not even going to start on the abomination they call "moc" |
| 21:35.49 | djszapi | ieatlint: you have at least qt 4.7 right ? |
| 21:35.50 | sivang | needs to use it more oftenly |
| 21:35.57 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm |
| 21:36.02 | MohammadAG | well, other than the time I turned it off cause it was burning hot |
| 21:36.05 | GeneralAntilles | alterego says his has done the same thing |
| 21:36.11 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, no overheating here. |
| 21:36.22 | artemma | decided to reboot before reinstalling just in case. Feels ashamed for doing it on mac |
| 21:36.23 | sivang | RST38h: this abomination allows me to do Python like programming, remind you what you tried doing that got you upset? |
| 21:36.24 | RST38h | GAN: Sure it is not the battery going? |
| 21:36.34 | sivang | RST38h: python like in C++ , that is |
| 21:36.44 | RST38h | sivang: Google for "limitation of using moc" |
| 21:36.47 | RST38h | limitations |
| 21:36.47 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, battery meter is one bar down. |
| 21:36.54 | RST38h | GAN: Weird |
| 21:36.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 21:37.02 | sivang | RST38h: ah right,something about you cannot change the base classes after being moc'd etc |
| 21:37.06 | RST38h | Firmware crash? |
| 21:37.08 | sivang | RST38h: I think we discussed it sometime ago |
| 21:37.28 | RST38h | sivang: google for "diamond dependency" |
| 21:37.41 | ieatlint | djszapi: as said, qt is not in my base system, and only in my qtsdk install |
| 21:37.49 | ieatlint | so no, it's not going to find qt |
| 21:37.56 | sivang | RST38h: well, you should avoid that as a good coding measure in C++ but not sure if moc is doing it in error? |
| 21:38.19 | sivang | RST38h: e.g. a limitation of C++, as far as my uneducated opinion runs |
| 21:38.24 | RST38h | sivang: MOC will break badly on classes that have got a diamond dependency |
| 21:38.28 | djszapi | ieatlint: it is a qt based application ;) |
| 21:38.36 | sivang | RST38h: why do you want those classes? |
| 21:38.52 | RST38h | The diamond dependency is not a problem on its own though, C++ allows it and there are contexts where it is useful |
| 21:38.54 | ieatlint | djszapi: yeah, i commented earlier that if it was qt based, it wouldn't work here :P |
| 21:39.03 | sivang | RST38h: like which contexts? |
| 21:39.18 | RST38h | sivang: Imagine inheriting a class from two Qt classes. |
| 21:39.19 | ieatlint | all my work on osx i do via qtcreator |
| 21:39.22 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, send it back |
| 21:39.26 | djszapi | ieatlint: weird, I thought you do have qt installed if you are lurking here :p |
| 21:39.27 | RST38h | sivang: Which sounds perfectly normal |
| 21:39.30 | sivang | RST38h: better use composition |
| 21:39.32 | MohammadAG | ask ddp.program at nokia dot com |
| 21:39.41 | ieatlint | djszapi: i do, on my linux laptop |
| 21:39.46 | ieatlint | where i'm currently doing qt5 work even |
| 21:39.46 | RST38h | sivang: Not asking what I am "supposed" to use |
| 21:39.46 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, afraid I'm never gonna get another one. :P |
| 21:39.52 | sivang | RST38h: even inPython I avoid that, because it makes my code impossible to maintain by someone sle |
| 21:39.57 | RST38h | sivang: Semantically, deriving from two Qt classes is ok |
| 21:39.57 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, hey, I got one :p |
| 21:40.07 | RST38h | sivang: Until you try running your new class through MOC |
| 21:40.11 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, contact them first |
| 21:40.21 | RST38h | sivang: And suddenly find out that all Qt classes are derived from QObject. FAIL. |
| 21:40.42 | MohammadAG | they replied saying they can send me a replacement the day it arrives |
| 21:40.54 | MohammadAG | they sent it two laters, but it's in Israeli customs atm |
| 21:40.56 | djszapi | sivang: I might stay there after the sprint, too, btw ;) |
| 21:41.00 | djszapi | for a party or two ;) |
| 21:41.08 | sivang | RST38h: I'm just practical, if something does not work I tend to try the way that works. |
| 21:41.13 | sivang | djszapi: that'll be cool :) |
| 21:41.24 | RST38h | sivang: Of course, this is what I have done |
| 21:41.28 | sivang | RST38h: what kind of breakage ? |
| 21:41.41 | RST38h | sivang: By avoiding buggy tools like QMake and (largely) MOC |
| 21:41.48 | MohammadAG | deriving two classes technically works |
| 21:42.05 | RST38h | Mohammad: No reason why it should not |
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| 21:42.22 | sivang | RST38h: how did you solve it what did you use and what did you acheieve? it is just that recent paradigms in OOP |
| 21:42.22 | MohammadAG | QPushButton derives from QWidget which is QObject based |
| 21:42.30 | djszapi | matrixx: are there videos about openmind, for instance the talks ? |
| 21:42.45 | RST38h | sivang: C++ is not OOP. |
| 21:42.47 | sivang | RST38h: and OOD encourage composition instead of inheritence , since inheritence quickly becoming the new spahgettit |
| 21:43.01 | RST38h | sivang: Smalltalk is OOP. C++ is C with member functions. |
| 21:43.28 | sivang | RST38h: well, then Qt makes it oop, where everything is an (Q)Object :) |
| 21:43.47 | RST38h | sighs: I am seeing spaghetti composition about x10 times more often than spaghetti inheritance |
| 21:43.59 | RST38h | sivang: Perfect, just perfect |
| 21:44.02 | sivang | RST38h: I see, that's interested |
| 21:44.05 | sivang | interesting. |
| 21:44.13 | RST38h | sivang: And this causes the diamond dependency for everyone :)) |
| 21:44.26 | sivang | RST38h: composition? |
| 21:44.32 | RST38h | Which is exactly why a lot of people suggest AGAINST having a common Object class. |
| 21:44.48 | sivang | RST38h: so , how did you solve your wish, e.g. doing multiple inheritence ? |
| 21:44.56 | sivang | RST38h: what tools did you use without moc/qmake |
| 21:44.56 | RST38h | sivang: Scroll up and read. |
| 21:45.22 | sivang | RST38h: backlog got cut... |
| 21:45.26 | sivang | RST38h: power drops |
| 21:45.27 | sivang | :-/ |
| 21:46.05 | RST38h | sivang: Basically, there is normal 'make' utility |
| 21:46.15 | sivang | RST38h: indeed, which qmake creates makefiles for |
| 21:46.23 | RST38h | sivang: That tends to work properly most of the time |
| 21:46.45 | RST38h | sivang: And there are virtual callback methods inside Qt API |
| 21:47.14 | sivang | RST38h: so being virutal, you control which object they derive their implementation from instead of MOC? |
| 21:47.27 | sivang | might be talking nonsense and admits it. |
| 21:47.33 | RST38h | sivang: Do you understand how MOC works at all? |
| 21:47.34 | sivang | notes it is rather late |
| 21:47.52 | RST38h | Have you ever bothered to read MOC-generated code, out of plain curiosity maybe? |
| 21:48.17 | sivang | RST38h: I understand that it uses the signals: and slots: code in the "base" code to create the actual stuff that's compiled |
| 21:48.28 | RST38h | There are no signals and slots in C++ |
| 21:48.33 | sivang | RST38h: by a proper C++ compiler, such that the magic of signals and slots will work |
| 21:48.37 | RST38h | No |
| 21:48.56 | RST38h | C++ compiler does not give a moose ball about all this stuff |
| 21:49.15 | sivang | RST38h: I have tried reading it- but there was too many constants and other stuff and I Went back to Qt |
| 21:49.26 | RST38h | But anyway, it is probably not the right time and place for a lecture |
| 21:49.31 | ieatlint | yes yes, moc is a preprocessor for qt, and the moc generated files are then compiled |
| 21:49.33 | sivang | RST38h: I need to give it some time to read, as a not so experienced C++ person |
| 21:50.00 | sivang | RST38h: I would be delighted to hear more or being sent to read more if you care to tel where :) |
| 21:50.13 | ieatlint | if you ever do want to give a lecture, i'd suggest you discuss the topic instead of challenging people on their knowledge |
| 21:50.14 | djszapi | artemma: do you have Qt installed on your Mac ? |
| 21:50.24 | artemma | djszapi: not anymore :D |
| 21:50.25 | RST38h | sivang: Take a C++ example that uses signals and slots. Pass it through MOC. Read MOC-generated files. |
| 21:50.28 | artemma | just killed everthing |
| 21:50.39 | djszapi | heh |
| 21:50.42 | RST38h | It is pretty plain what MOC does (in fact, you do the same by hand in GTK+) |
| 21:50.51 | sivang | RST38h: I'll retry, I need to give it some time to - it goes slow for me to read that generated code ;) |
| 21:50.56 | MohammadAG | wait..., there's no signal + slot thing in C++? |
| 21:50.58 | artemma | messing up with Qt SDK installer again. Online installation this time |
| 21:51.04 | sivang | MohammadAG: nope :) |
| 21:51.04 | MohammadAG | what about callbacks? |
| 21:51.08 | RST38h | Mohammad: Nope :) At least not YET |
| 21:51.12 | sivang | MohammadAG: that's a qmake abstraction |
| 21:51.21 | RST38h | Mohammad: Callbacks are done with virtual member functions in C++ |
| 21:51.27 | djszapi | not qmake .. |
| 21:51.30 | sivang | MohammadAG: or rather, meta object abstraction that is supported both by qmake and the qt code |
| 21:51.33 | djszapi | it is moc ;) |
| 21:51.44 | djszapi | moc works fine with cmake, too :p |
| 21:51.47 | sivang | err, the moc |
| 21:51.54 | sivang | djszapi: thanks for the correction |
| 21:52.18 | RST38h | Mohammad: In C (see Gtk+ again) you do callbacks with function pointers inside structs |
| 21:52.27 | sivang | RST38h: that I Know |
| 21:52.33 | sivang | RST38h: I've done complete apps in C/GTK |
| 21:52.45 | sivang | from scratch including libxml (so helped me god) |
| 21:52.55 | djszapi | that backup app, right ? |
| 21:53.05 | RST38h | Mohammad:In fact,C++ makes almost no difference between "class"and "struct"keywords |
| 21:53.18 | sivang | djszapi: not just, the old printer admin, the cups manager features, gnome system tools etc.. |
| 21:53.21 | artemma | is it ok if I install just platform api and not meego 1.2 harmattan api? |
| 21:53.32 | MohammadAG | so technically, if you know Qt, you don't actually know C++ |
| 21:53.34 | RST38h | Mohammad: "struct" members are made public by default ("class" declares them private) |
| 21:53.40 | sivang | MohammadAG: that's the beauty of it |
| 21:53.47 | MohammadAG | you just know the syntax |
| 21:53.49 | sivang | MohammadAG: learning C++ to depth can take years |
| 21:53.54 | ieatlint | MohammadAG: it's a blurrier line than that |
| 21:54.00 | sivang | MohammadAG: but knowing Qt, you can develop apps after a day |
| 21:54.06 | djszapi | sivang: mainly with the new standard :p |
| 21:54.07 | RST38h | Mohammad: And you may hit some pretty nasty problems initializing class instances with constants (which works flawlessly for structs) |
| 21:54.12 | RST38h | But that is about it |
| 21:54.14 | sivang | djszapi: ;) |
| 21:54.22 | djszapi | I sort of tested the things with the newest gcc version, pretty cool features! |
| 21:54.40 | sivang | RST38h: class instance with constants? how so? |
| 21:54.54 | ieatlint | qt makes things a lot easier and more manageable, including on low level things |
| 21:54.58 | RST38h | yawns: it does not take too much to learn C++. Takes a while to learn not to overuse the damn thing though. |
| 21:55.04 | sivang | MohammadAG: in short, C++ compiler start to implement what Qt had years ago |
| 21:55.19 | RST38h | sivang: Like...what? |
| 21:55.22 | djszapi | ieatlint: yeah, but not everywhere, you do still need to write low-level things here and there :p |
| 21:55.32 | ieatlint | djszapi: yeah, true |
| 21:55.38 | ieatlint | and often using C libs for some things |
| 21:55.49 | djszapi | sivang: I would say stl instead of compiler in your last post. |
| 21:55.50 | ieatlint | but handling threads and sockets is much nicer in qt |
| 21:55.54 | RST38h | ieatlint: Qt just lets you create UI, easily.That is ALL it does. |
| 21:56.01 | artemma | recalls symbian times when he had to practice macro magic, because there was no RTTI. dynamic_cast was unavailable as well BTW |
| 21:56.01 | sivang | djszapi: oh right, so stuff like libboost and friends |
| 21:56.11 | sivang | which was not part of stl once |
| 21:56.17 | RST38h | ieatlint: for threads and sockets, it is very unwise to use Qt rather than standard POSIX apis |
| 21:56.23 | sivang | stuff like dynamic_cast<> |
| 21:56.33 | djszapi | for instance regexp |
| 21:56.34 | ieatlint | RST38h: you opinion differs from what many corporations feel then |
| 21:56.37 | sivang | RST38h: is it a problem to combine the two? |
| 21:56.44 | djszapi | which is now in stl and qt will be rebased on top of that |
| 21:57.02 | RST38h | remembers hunting 100+k lines of C++ code for dynamic_cast<> things and removing them because of performance issues |
| 21:57.03 | sivang | didn't know that :) |
| 21:57.10 | sivang | djszapi: where do you read about all this qt changes? |
| 21:57.15 | RST38h | ieatlint: Corporation cannot "feel". |
| 21:57.20 | djszapi | sivang: qt5-feedback :p |
| 21:57.24 | djszapi | following for a while. |
| 21:57.25 | ieatlint | RST38h: corporations are people, my friend |
| 21:57.28 | sivang | djszapi: I just jouined there |
| 21:57.30 | djszapi | also, kde-core-devel |
| 21:57.32 | RST38h | ieatlint: Not really. |
| 21:57.38 | ieatlint | i was told they were. |
| 21:57.49 | RST38h | ieatlint: Were told a lie then. |
| 21:57.58 | ieatlint | the governor of texas would not lie. |
| 21:58.02 | sivang | RST38h: that is to say that the qobject case is as wastive ? |
| 21:58.16 | sivang | RST38h: err,qobject_case |
| 21:58.20 | RST38h | ieatlint: take your governor and stick him you know where. |
| 21:58.21 | sivang | cast |
| 21:58.22 | sivang | damnkbd! |
| 21:58.32 | RST38h | sivang: I do think it is bedtime in .IL. |
| 21:58.33 | ieatlint | he's not my governor, and he's against sodomy |
| 21:58.58 | sivang | RST38h: almost |
| 21:59.04 | RST38h | ieatlint: stick him head-first and call him an enema. |
| 21:59.18 | ieatlint | :P |
| 21:59.33 | sivang | RST38h: this is what I was refrring to: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/metaobjects.html |
| 22:00.08 | sivang | but this unfruitful discussion just exhausted me, I'm back at Harmattan app dev tomorrow, mostly with QML so I gues I won't be hitting too many diamond problems :) |
| 22:00.14 | RST38h | sivang: Yes, and this stuff has certain problems in C++ because it assumes deriving from the same class, and that leads to diamond thing |
| 22:00.45 | RST38h | sivang: This is why people do not normally create QObject like classes in C++ and that is also why the QObject stuff is non-kosher. |
| 22:01.12 | sivang | RST38h: ois that the reason for the performance penalty? |
| 22:01.33 | RST38h | It is ok though, if MOC wasn't going bonkers from it =) |
| 22:01.48 | sivang | RST38h: from the casting stuffor the diamond stuff? |
| 22:01.55 | RST38h | performance penalty comment has been made in relation to the dynamic_cast<> feature. |
| 22:02.02 | RST38h | Has no relation to diamonds. Bedtime. |
| 22:02.17 | sivang | RST38h: do you have a snippet to show me? (Although I may seem as a complete blank, I do know how to read code ;)) |
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| 22:03.13 | sivang | RST38h: I am curious for your usecase of multiple inheritence and its context, as well where it saves performance |
| 22:03.34 | sivang | RST38h: note, I am *really* asking. I am realtively new to C++/qt and like to doubt things |
| 22:04.37 | sivang | anyway, pastebins with code snippets that can be executed and make MOC fault to be attachd to qt bug traker, I'll pick it there :) |
| 22:04.46 | sivang | night all! |
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| 22:20.52 | djszapi | sup sir Pinheiro-N9 |
| 22:22.46 | pinheiro | :) |
| 22:23.03 | pinheiro | irc Check |
| 22:23.11 | pinheiro | :) now jabber :) |
| 22:23.22 | Pinheiro-N9 | yes |
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| 22:30.50 | djszapi | Pinheiro-N9: do you come to the KDE Harmattan sprint ? |
| 22:35.08 | merlin1991 | hm how do I type an underscore on the n9? |
| 22:37.54 | djszapi | botton left bytton ?123 |
| 22:38.02 | djszapi | and then on the right of the space. |
| 22:38.42 | pinheiro | :) |
| 22:39.02 | merlin1991 | djszapi: you can relax about aegis security holes, I remembered, that we assumed I'd need a token but the app actually needed no token |
| 22:39.42 | djszapi | pinheiro: it would be nice if you can join. |
| 22:40.06 | pinheiro | will se |
| 22:41.45 | pinheiro | me not acustumed to deb's how does one manualy install a deb? |
| 22:42.48 | djszapi | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 23:06.46 | merlin1991 | hm another question, where do I get flasher and fw image for the n9? |
| 23:09.23 | djszapi | same flasher should work like for N950 |
| 23:09.45 | djszapi | I do not think there is a published image. |
| 23:10.12 | merlin1991 | :/ |
| 23:10.30 | merlin1991 | I'm pretty sure I'll screw my n9 up within no time, and then I'll need an image :D |
| 23:11.00 | djszapi | ideal stance ;) |
| 23:11.19 | merlin1991 | hey I got a developer n9, I'm supposed to break it :D |
| 23:12.15 | djszapi | you mean for free ? |
| 23:12.34 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 23:12.44 | djszapi | weird, can we get one, too ? |
| 23:12.47 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 23:13.19 | ieatlint | yeah, i want one |
| 23:13.26 | ieatlint | i'll trade you an image for one :P |
| 23:13.31 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 23:13.45 | merlin1991 | you should have been in vienna then @ the n9 hackaton :) |
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| 23:14.10 | ieatlint | yeah, and oddly i can't afford to drop $2k on airfare right now :( |
| 23:14.51 | ieatlint | i have hopes with harassing quim for one, but i'm not optimistic |
| 23:16.32 | djszapi | merlin1991: they even sponsored people from abroad ? |
| 23:16.57 | merlin1991 | we were a mix with only 50% guys from austria |
| 23:21.01 | merlin1991 | settting up a mfe account enabled the fsckd device autolock, and so far I've found no way to disable it |
| 23:24.33 | ieatlint | yeah, don't allow the mfe server to provision your device :P |
| 23:24.41 | ieatlint | it's a security policy forced onto you |
| 23:24.50 | ieatlint | there's a checkbox in the setup page |
| 23:25.36 | merlin1991 | I'm also trying to get the notification twitter feed up and running but unlucky there too |
| 23:25.57 | MohammadAG | trade an N950 for an N9? |
| 23:26.04 | RST38h | nooooo |
| 23:26.23 | merlin1991 | nope, sry mag |
| 23:26.52 | MohammadAG | don't hold your breath, I wouldn't have traded anyway :P |
| 23:27.02 | RST38h | Meanwhile: "Egyptian government has called for all 'honest citizens' to take to the streets and help the army to battle rioting coptic christians" |
| 23:27.11 | merlin1991 | don't want to loose your keyboard, eh? |
| 23:27.29 | MohammadAG | nah, just the not for sale mark |
| 23:27.34 | RST38h | cackles, looks for Cairo webcams. |
| 23:29.00 | merlin1991 | wonders if you can get rss feeds into the notifications view |
| 23:29.24 | merlin1991 | ieatlint: I couldn't find that checkbox :/ |
| 23:29.32 | SpeedEvil | wonders why adding twitter account isn't working. |
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| 23:30.02 | ieatlint | merlin1991: it might only be there when you add the mfe box, and not in the settings once already added |
| 23:30.23 | RST38h | Mghm. Just one webcam there. I do not want to see the pyramids, people, where are the riots? |
| 23:30.28 | ieatlint | no, it's there |
| 23:30.43 | ieatlint | in the mfe settings, go to the "Connection settings" page |
| 23:30.51 | ieatlint | and check "Non-provisionable device" |
| 23:31.10 | merlin1991 | when i check that it automatically unchecks itself |
| 23:31.22 | ieatlint | uh, i dunno about that |
| 23:31.32 | SpeedEvil | Wwwho was the egyptian in here... |
| 23:31.48 | ieatlint | it could be that your exchange server requires devices be provisionable |
| 23:31.51 | SpeedEvil | err - #maemo |
| 23:31.52 | SpeedEvil | nvm |
| 23:32.05 | RST38h | There has been at least one |
| 23:32.21 | ieatlint | perhaps try re-adding the server and checking that box in the setup |
| 23:32.59 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, johnwill? |
| 23:33.10 | MohammadAG | or no, that's not him |
| 23:33.31 | merlin1991 | jep, redoing the account worked |
| 23:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | oh yeah, without religion(s) our world for sure was a way worse place |
| 23:35.20 | RST38h | Doc: Less interesting, indeed |
| 23:36.41 | ieatlint | it's true, it's why atheists are all murderers and religious folk live perfect lives -- religious fear the wrath of their god(s), whereas atheists are basically just sociopaths |
| 23:38.18 | RST38h | Ah, gentlemen, ease up a little |
| 23:38.29 | ieatlint | :P |
| 23:38.58 | RST38h | Hordes of idiots killing each other in the course of resolving their theological differences are fun |
| 23:39.13 | RST38h | Especially if you are not there, and you can find a webcam. |
| 23:39.28 | ieatlint | i'll kill you for that blasphemous characterization |
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| 23:44.02 | artemma | if anybody is following my broken SDK saga, it looks like I fixed it eventually |
| 23:44.58 | artemma | executive summary: don't try offline installers, they seem to be somehow badly compatible with online updates |
| 23:49.09 | artemma | is thinking about trying findutils for GNU find for fxing harmattan packaging again |
| 23:49.28 | artemma | last time it started the broken SDK saga, but this time I am more clever, right? |
