| 00:20.03 | javispedro | it surely is in the logs |
| 00:20.10 | javispedro | it was first said there.. |
| 00:20.28 | javispedro | pluse, you don't really need peregrin -- the builtin messaging app can start chats, and the builtin dial app can start calls |
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| 00:20.36 | javispedro | (it's just the contacts app that is seemingly broken) |
| 00:21.05 | javispedro | aw, someone added that in the wiki before me =) |
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| 00:52.28 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody remind me where the backups hide? |
| 00:55.37 | Milhouse | MyDocs/.backups I think |
| 01:10.29 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks |
| 01:14.15 | GeneralAntilles | I hate the new font in Beta2 |
| 01:14.18 | GeneralAntilles | It looks like WP7 |
| 01:30.27 | Milhouse | It's a bit "thinner" than the old font, I did prefer the font in Beta1 but I can get used to the font in Beta2 |
| 01:30.50 | Milhouse | At least we're getting Nokia Pure, I don't think it's even in Symbian Belle |
| 01:31.01 | Milhouse | (Still Nokia Sans) |
| 01:36.29 | eman | So...anyone have any inside word on whether we are going to see QML implementations/examples of all of the Swipe UX guidelines anytime soon? |
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| 03:26.59 | GAN900 | Nokia Sans is a much nicer font |
| 03:27.13 | GAN900 | Although that's mostly because Pure just screams MS. |
| 03:27.39 | GAN900 | 'least they wont have to change the branding too much when MS buys them out. |
| 03:28.20 | iekku | GAN900, do you really think MS is buying nokia? |
| 03:28.42 | GAN900 | Who knows where there'll be in a few years |
| 03:28.58 | GAN900 | not really like they need to since they already own them |
| 03:29.18 | GAN900 | But I wouldn't necessarily be /surprised/ by it if it did happen. |
| 03:29.28 | iekku | i would |
| 03:29.53 | iekku | but i don't understand a thing about the economy |
| 03:31.24 | GAN900 | Not really an economic issue |
| 03:31.29 | GAN900 | It's a business issue |
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| 03:39.13 | iekku | same thing for me, can't understand |
| 03:39.27 | iekku | i was shocked about the elopcalypse |
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| 03:59.50 | OwariDa | anyone had success with putting the wl1271 in the n950 in monitor mode? |
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| 06:47.28 | mece | hey copying text in browser. Do/will harmattan have that? |
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| 07:12.34 | wazd | I always wondered. Why harmattan devs used "drag down to search" concept all around the system EXCEPT for homescreen and made a stand-alone app instead |
| 07:14.52 | spenap | wazd, search application keeps some kind of search history |
| 07:14.57 | spenap | and extra stuff |
| 07:15.04 | spenap | so it's not exactly the same thing |
| 07:15.13 | spenap | the other search concepts are more like "filtering" |
| 07:15.56 | spenap | or was your question rhetorical? :P |
| 07:16.08 | wazd | spenap: no :) |
| 07:16.47 | spenap | yesterday I implemented that filtering thing in the showtimes view of butaca :P |
| 07:16.49 | wazd | spenap: no filtering at the homescreens is bad anyway :) |
| 07:16.55 | spenap | so it's like I checked it quite recently |
| 07:17.02 | wazd | spenap: meegotouch? |
| 07:17.05 | spenap | qml |
| 07:17.12 | wazd | spenap: hohoho |
| 07:17.26 | wazd | spenap: mind if we'll steal your code? :P |
| 07:17.33 | spenap | haha, it's all open source |
| 07:17.40 | spenap | I'll point you to it |
| 07:17.48 | wazd | spenap: we need it for the MeeCast |
| 07:17.59 | spenap | https://gitorious.org/butaca/butaca <- this is butaca, with the drag to search enabled for the showtimes view |
| 07:18.00 | wazd | spenap: super awesome! |
| 07:18.32 | spenap | and https://gitorious.org/spena-playground/meneamigo has drag to update |
| 07:19.34 | spenap | butaca is for general use (cinema information and showtimes), you can try it from the ovi store. meneamigo is a client for a spanish website, so unless you understand spanish or want to check the UI, I don't know if you'll be interested |
| 07:19.56 | spenap | both are qml & c++ apps |
| 07:20.10 | wazd | coolio :) |
| 07:20.14 | spenap | :-) |
| 07:20.15 | wazd | thanks a lot :) |
| 07:20.26 | spenap | you're welcome, I'll be happy to have contributed to meecast :D |
| 07:20.47 | spenap | wazd, specifically, check the TheatersView.qml file |
| 07:20.54 | spenap | you'll find the search feature there |
| 07:21.03 | wazd | we've currently made some kind of "Car-GPS style" search, stolen from on of dev.nokia exampls |
| 07:21.43 | wazd | but I find it kinda lame :) |
| 07:22.19 | spenap | :-P, the search thing has some issues still (like figuring out the right timeout, and when to enable it |
| 07:22.28 | spenap | but I think it's a good starting point |
| 07:22.33 | wazd | absolutely |
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| 07:22.54 | wazd | finally we'll have proper location selection :D |
| 07:23.03 | spenap | :) |
| 07:23.05 | wazd | instead of scrolling for centuries :) |
| 07:23.51 | spenap | you're using a C++ model, right? |
| 07:23.58 | wazd | the only thing that kept us from releasing to OVi, cause scrolling is super lame |
| 07:24.00 | wazd | yep |
| 07:24.09 | spenap | then, it'll be quite easy to make it work nicely :) |
| 07:24.33 | spenap | bbl |
| 07:24.39 | wazd | cya |
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| 07:42.42 | spenap | ok, I'm back |
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| 07:46.48 | ieatlint | beer good, pants bad |
| 07:46.54 | ieatlint | also, verb bad, appparently |
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| 07:57.13 | gri | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/240379/nokias_interim_cto_gets_permanent_status.html .... |
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| 08:06.56 | mece | dammit, that stupid run android apps on meego scheme is being tweeted all over the place. I hate it when people get all excited over vaporware |
| 08:07.11 | Stskeeps | i know people who work there, so not entirely vaporware |
| 08:07.18 | mece | oh |
| 08:07.26 | mece | Ok but it will note come to N9 |
| 08:07.35 | Stskeeps | who said it would? :P |
| 08:07.46 | mece | well that's what people tweet about |
| 08:08.25 | mece | I didn't mean the actual thing doesn't exist, but since they aim at oem deals, it will never come to nokia |
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| 08:08.55 | TheBootroo | hello all ! |
| 08:09.01 | mece | \o |
| 08:09.09 | TheBootroo | here is france its 10;00 AM |
| 08:09.14 | TheBootroo | mece: 'lo |
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| 08:09.39 | mece | TheBootroo, so we're 1 hour and 10 minutes ahead of you?? |
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| 08:09.56 | TheBootroo | mece: not really |
| 08:10.09 | TheBootroo | mece: its 10:10:07 |
| 08:10.19 | TheBootroo | so you're just an hour ahead |
| 08:10.22 | mece | I know |
| 08:10.24 | mece | (11:09:10 AM) TheBootroo: here is france its 10;00 AM |
| 08:10.43 | mece | ^^ says we're 1 hour and 10 minutes ahead |
| 08:10.57 | mece | anywaaay |
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| 08:11.08 | mece | Stskeeps, have you seen the thing in action? |
| 08:11.14 | Stskeeps | on tablet |
| 08:11.21 | TheBootroo | but you're in usa right ? so how can you have only one hour more ? |
| 08:11.23 | mece | Stskeeps, which one? |
| 08:11.31 | Stskeeps | the vaporware |
| 08:11.41 | mece | Stskeeps, is there a vaporware tablet? |
| 08:11.53 | Stskeeps | this is not a productive area of discussion |
| 08:11.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:12.08 | mece | Stskeeps, LOL, no. I meant which tablet was it, what os? |
| 08:12.21 | Stskeeps | meego tablet, see the vide |
| 08:13.01 | TheBootroo | a nokia Z500 ? |
| 08:16.47 | mece | Stskeeps, heh pretty impressive actually. Would be pretty sweet it it were open source... |
| 08:16.59 | mece | Stskeeps, then we'd have it on everything :) |
| 08:17.19 | Stskeeps | mece: too valuable technology |
| 08:17.23 | TheBootroo | mece: what are you talkin about ? |
| 08:18.48 | mece | Stskeeps, ofcourse |
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| 08:30.37 | Termana | morning |
| 08:35.52 | gri | loves slightly annoyed rodents :) |
| 08:39.29 | TheBootroo | gri: +1 |
| 08:39.43 | TheBootroo | ^^ |
| 08:39.52 | gri | The shoe is amazing |
| 08:40.03 | TheBootroo | we got to kick their asses to throw them upon ckickens : funny :D |
| 08:43.05 | gri | by far funnier (more funny?) than the angry birds |
| 08:46.00 | TheBootroo | need a lot more levels though |
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| 08:48.39 | TheBootroo | MohammadAG: lo |
| 08:49.33 | TheBootroo | i thought to a few tweaks for the Harmattan ui |
| 08:50.48 | TheBootroo | when you pinch on the switcher view it change from 3x3 to 2x2, it would be possible to pinch once again to go to a webOS like 1+2 cards more, overall its already implemented in meego handset UX |
| 08:50.54 | TheBootroo | would be very cool |
| 08:52.14 | TheBootroo | did you seen my proposal for new CE UX several month ago ? http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3081 |
| 08:52.29 | TheBootroo | killer look IMHO |
| 08:53.19 | TheBootroo | Overall the fourth page, for a Gadget mode, ala Maemo5 |
| 08:55.25 | TheBootroo | i'll soon try to get a working proto using QtDeclarative |
| 08:55.49 | TheBootroo | as soon i will have finished my LibMWTk |
| 08:56.06 | TheBootroo | since i will use many of the custom components it contains |
| 08:56.48 | TheBootroo | Status bar is implemented using QtMobility classes so it can run on any QtMobile plateform, no only Harmattan |
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| 09:01.36 | seif | hey guys |
| 09:01.43 | seif | any updates on the meego CE |
| 09:03.30 | dm8tbr | seif: on #meego-arm probably |
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| 09:12.46 | macmaN | morning alls |
| 09:13.02 | macmaN | where do i look when app deployed from qtcreator doesnt create an icon anymore in beta2 |
| 09:13.21 | gri | in /usr/share/applications |
| 09:13.28 | gri | see if your .desktop file is there |
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| 09:14.30 | TheBootroo | macmaN: same pb here, a reboot shows the icon |
| 09:14.32 | TheBootroo | i don't know why, |
| 09:14.39 | TheBootroo | and i had the same pb in Beta1 |
| 09:14.45 | macmaN | gri: its not |
| 09:14.51 | macmaN | TheBootroo: reboot didnt solve it, tried |
| 09:14.58 | gri | if you deploy your application you should see a line which says something about update |
| 09:15.14 | macmaN | Preparing to replace conboy 0.0.1 (using .../conboy_0.0.1_armel.deb) ... |
| 09:15.14 | macmaN | Unpacking replacement conboy ... |
| 09:15.14 | macmaN | aegis-installing conboy (from '') |
| 09:15.14 | macmaN | Setting up conboy (0.0.1) ... |
| 09:15.14 | macmaN | Package installed. |
| 09:15.21 | macmaN | Deployment finished. |
| 09:15.25 | macmaN | everything looks dandy right |
| 09:15.38 | gri | moment, I'm deploying mine to check |
| 09:15.40 | macmaN | i remember with beta1 there more lines about icons etc |
| 09:15.43 | gri | (on windows this takes ages) |
| 09:15.46 | macmaN | there were* |
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| 09:16.52 | gri | aegis-installing web2sms (from '') |
| 09:16.52 | gri | Setting up web2sms (0.2.1) ... |
| 09:16.53 | gri | Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... |
| 09:16.53 | gri | Processing triggers for libcontextsubscriber0 ... |
| 09:16.53 | gri | Updating from: '/usr/share/contextkit/providers/' |
| 09:16.54 | gri | Generated: '/usr/share/contextkit/providers/cache.cdb' |
| 09:17.01 | gri | the frist trigger is missing at yours |
| 09:17.08 | gri | first* |
| 09:17.09 | macmaN | mhm, right right |
| 09:17.35 | gri | do you have a link to your .pro file? |
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| 09:18.57 | gri | macmaN: https://gitorious.org/web2sms/web2sms/blobs/master/messaging-ui/messaging-ui.pro#line23 I've written everything by hand and it works ... |
| 09:20.29 | macmaN | im gonna try git reset |
| 09:20.51 | gri | sometimes it's qtcreator's fault |
| 09:21.45 | gri | mine starts killing qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan/manifest.aegis every few builds for some reason |
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| 09:23.19 | gri | TheBootroo: Are you UI designer? :) |
| 09:23.28 | macmaN | right, opening the project qtcreator tells me some files are outdated, can i update them. if i say yes, it kills the icon. |
| 09:23.42 | TheBootroo | gri: Designer and Developer |
| 09:24.05 | gri | TheBootroo: For a living? |
| 09:25.40 | TheBootroo | gri: it's my life if it's what you're asking (i'm french so some sentences are weird to me ;-) ) |
| 09:25.51 | TheBootroo | i do UI at work and at home |
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| 09:25.58 | TheBootroo | its a job and a hobby |
| 09:26.00 | gri | TheBootroo: I meant if it is your job :) |
| 09:26.06 | TheBootroo | both |
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| 09:26.52 | TheBootroo | I'm Software Research Engineer and Ergonomics User Interface Designer |
| 09:27.04 | Venemo | TheBootroo, that sounds nice! |
| 09:27.05 | TheBootroo | but overall i'm a geek |
| 09:27.13 | TheBootroo | Venemo: hehe |
| 09:27.16 | TheBootroo | ;-) |
| 09:27.57 | TheBootroo | All that using C++/Qt (and a little QML) |
| 09:28.09 | gri | TheBootroo: So at work you're also doing mobile user interfaces? |
| 09:28.27 | TheBootroo | gri: just yesterday i told you about my project of a C++ lib to build ergonomic mobile apps using QtDeclarative |
| 09:29.16 | TheBootroo | gri: at work i do almost everything possible : industrial mapping apps, mobile apps, websites, utilities, ERP modules etc... |
| 09:29.42 | TheBootroo | but my favorite domain is mobile apps because of all the ergonomic issues we have to solve for it |
| 09:30.06 | TheBootroo | my LibMWTk is full of these concepts but not finished ATM |
| 09:30.12 | gri | TheBootroo: That's why I asked for your work, I still remember the conversation from yesterday ;) |
| 09:30.44 | TheBootroo | (it's a quite huge work and i work on it for 5 weeks now, and on my spare time) |
| 09:30.51 | TheBootroo | hehe |
| 09:30.52 | wazd | TheBootroo: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ <- what do you think as a pro? |
| 09:30.53 | TheBootroo | ok |
| 09:31.11 | TheBootroo | wazd: its your blog ? |
| 09:31.43 | TheBootroo | wazd: i used MeeCast on my N950 and noticed a really few ergonomic issues |
| 09:32.02 | TheBootroo | so its mainly not bad at all |
| 09:32.10 | wazd | TheBootroo: yes |
| 09:32.53 | Venemo | wazd, the stock weather app in 34-2 doesn't even come close to MeeCast when it comes to ergonomy. |
| 09:33.07 | TheBootroo | some observations though : miss a good landscape mode, the progresssbar should be visible when refreshing even if user has scroll at bottom of page, a maybe use a notification for refresh start and end |
| 09:33.37 | TheBootroo | Venemo: i find Accuweather great graphics but poor ergonomic too |
| 09:33.55 | wazd | TheBootroo: yeah, all of this (except landscape) is already solved :) |
| 09:34.12 | TheBootroo | wazd: maybe you should add AccuWeather.com as a source for MeeCast because they are (for me) the most accurate of all |
| 09:34.13 | Venemo | TheBootroo, I 100% agree. |
| 09:34.26 | wazd | TheBootroo: they don't want to |
| 09:34.28 | alterego | I just like the weather widget in the notifications screen :) |
| 09:34.35 | wazd | TheBootroo: along with Foreca |
| 09:34.41 | TheBootroo | and provide an accuweather icon them for MeeCasta nd all should be fine |
| 09:34.51 | TheBootroo | wazd: why not ? |
| 09:35.05 | wazd | TheBootroo: I'm not the right person to ask this question :) |
| 09:35.18 | Venemo | alterego, yeah, that's a nice touch |
| 09:35.22 | TheBootroo | wazd: maybe use a plugin system to allow the user to choose really the source he wants |
| 09:36.08 | TheBootroo | alterego: +1 wazd: meecast miss a notification item in event feed like Accuweather does |
| 09:36.15 | wazd | TheBootroo: I mean accuweather.com doesn't want us to use their source |
| 09:36.19 | alterego | We should figure out how it's done. |
| 09:36.21 | TheBootroo | wazd: arf |
| 09:36.22 | TheBootroo | ok |
| 09:36.30 | alterego | Probably internal nokia wank though. |
| 09:36.43 | Venemo | well, you can use wireshark to see how the accuweather app communicates with their servers. |
| 09:36.44 | wazd | TheBootroo: their notification system is closed sourced hack |
| 09:36.53 | wazd | TheBootroo: we can't do anything like it yet |
| 09:36.57 | TheBootroo | alterego: no need to do a little thing like accuweather, just use a permanent top notification |
| 09:37.03 | MohammadAG | Venemo, already figured that out |
| 09:37.08 | MohammadAG | you don't need wireshark |
| 09:37.19 | Venemo | MohammadAG, ok! :) |
| 09:37.20 | alterego | TheBootroo: nasty hack :P |
| 09:37.23 | TheBootroo | wazd: just do a notification like missed calls which are always at top |
| 09:37.31 | TheBootroo | alterego: no really |
| 09:37.35 | MohammadAG | Venemo, it's an XML + HTTP GET api |
| 09:37.37 | TheBootroo | alterego: i would really prefer that |
| 09:37.41 | wazd | TheBootroo: is it possible? |
| 09:37.44 | Venemo | MohammadAG, sounds simple enough |
| 09:37.51 | TheBootroo | wazd: yeah obviously |
| 09:37.54 | wazd | TheBootroo: I mean, something more that a text row? :) |
| 09:38.15 | MohammadAG | 12:36 alterego: Probably internal nokia wank though. |
| 09:38.16 | TheBootroo | wazd: you must be able to at least put an icon and two lines of text |
| 09:38.30 | MohammadAG | alterego, the library's there, you just need to make headers for it |
| 09:38.37 | TheBootroo | wazd: so with more room than the accuweather thing you could put more info too |
| 09:38.43 | MohammadAG | it's a custom libmeegotouchextensions.so |
| 09:39.07 | alterego | Ooo |
| 09:39.12 | TheBootroo | wazd: maybe do a thing like that (in top left) http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/803017PageGadgets.png |
| 09:39.41 | wazd | TheBootroo: maybe |
| 09:40.13 | TheBootroo | wazd: surely ;-) |
| 09:41.33 | TheBootroo | what harmattan lacks is a '3 next mettings' feed item for calendar |
| 09:42.06 | gri | TheBootroo: Oh yes! On the n900 I always had my calendar in front |
| 09:42.15 | alterego | Yeah, I was thinking that the other day TheBootroo |
| 09:42.16 | TheBootroo | gri: +10 |
| 09:42.27 | Venemo | gri ++ ++ |
| 09:42.37 | alterego | Or a summary view in the calendar ... |
| 09:42.41 | TheBootroo | in fact generally harmattan ui is great but in many little places it should be perfected |
| 09:42.45 | artemma | likes accuweather surprisingly much. If it only provided wind speed in m/s too |
| 09:42.47 | alterego | Anyway, I gotta bail, ttyl |
| 09:42.51 | TheBootroo | alterego: you have that |
| 09:42.55 | gri | Is there a +-counter-bot in this room? :D |
| 09:43.09 | TheBootroo | gri: hehe |
| 09:43.19 | TheBootroo | gri: you care about your karma there ? ;-) |
| 09:43.40 | gri | No, but my facebook friends surely want to see "gri just earned +10 in #harmattan" |
| 09:43.59 | Venemo | gri, we could make such a bot. |
| 09:44.27 | TheBootroo | gri: if i say the additional '0' was a typo :D |
| 09:44.32 | macmaN | so is the 92,000 units of N9 manufactured confirmed to be true? |
| 09:44.33 | gri | Venemo: The feed-creator-bot has more priority |
| 09:45.02 | TheBootroo | macmaN: bullshit from eldar-angryman |
| 09:45.20 | spenap | wazd, maybe, while there's no way to access this icon in the status view, you could add some different view when meecast is in the switcher |
| 09:45.32 | spenap | some big icon, so you see the weather at a glance |
| 09:45.43 | macmaN | TheBootroo: got any url to back bs-call? |
| 09:46.00 | TheBootroo | spenap: maybe two but the event item should stay visible even when app is close |
| 09:46.21 | wazd | spenap: yeah, I already have thought of that, but still that's not quite a widget :( |
| 09:46.41 | Venemo | gri, feed-creator bot? |
| 09:46.55 | TheBootroo | wazd: great news http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/meegotouchhome-nokia/eventfeed.html?tab=0 |
| 09:46.56 | Venemo | macmaN, I don't belive that bullshit. |
| 09:47.03 | gri | Venemo: For creating feed apps on ovi store with every rss feed the crawler finds on google :) |
| 09:47.10 | TheBootroo | wazd: i quote "An event feed item consists of an icon (mandatory) a title text (mandatory) a body text a footer text a time stamp (mandatory) up to 3 images" |
| 09:47.25 | Venemo | gri, loooool. |
| 09:47.29 | TheBootroo | gri: noooooooooooooo |
| 09:47.55 | gri | Super-spam is the only way to get an "hide feed apps" option in ovi store :) |
| 09:47.57 | TheBootroo | gri: please don't, the ovi store is already spammed with such apps which don't even follow Harmattan guidelines |
| 09:48.12 | artemma | am I the only one annoyed by non-changeable font size in the browser? |
| 09:48.15 | TheBootroo | gri: ah ok so do it quickly |
| 09:48.39 | TheBootroo | artemma: i'm annoyed by the lacks of text selection mode for email and browser |
| 09:48.46 | TheBootroo | maemo5 microB had that |
| 09:49.03 | artemma | TheBootroo: that's the next level: before selecting something I want to see it :) |
| 09:49.03 | Venemo | TheBootroo ++ |
| 09:49.16 | TheBootroo | dudes microB in maemo5 was great, i only it had the harmattan ui and webkit core it would be perfect |
| 09:49.43 | MohammadAG | if only harmattan's ui had gecko |
| 09:49.45 | gri | microB didn't crash for me once, the harmattan one dies on every 3rd page |
| 09:49.50 | artemma | also the lack of bookmarks and the fact that for browser window management I need to go to the task switcher.. |
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| 09:50.19 | djszapi | hi Venemo :) |
| 09:50.28 | artemma | I am not really excited by browser windows and bookmarks looking like full scale apps |
| 09:50.31 | Venemo | hey djszapi, how're you today? :) |
| 09:50.35 | djszapi | bad... |
| 09:50.46 | artemma | I've heard Firefox will be released soon for Harmattan, maybe it works better |
| 09:51.11 | TheBootroo | artemma: got to switcher to change page seem logical to me since harmattan use a 'one page for one app' paradigm |
| 09:51.16 | djszapi | Venemo: we tried to make another proposal for open mode, but ... let us discuss some things in private. |
| 09:51.45 | TheBootroo | firefox ui is to heavy and gecko < webkit so i would prefer an enhanced browser for harmattan |
| 09:51.51 | artemma | TheBootroo: that's logical indeed, but.. you know while in the browser I often just want to close this damned new window and go back |
| 09:52.53 | artemma | I get the "web page is an app" paradigm, it's just too slow to follow it :) |
| 09:53.04 | TheBootroo | i will surely dev a new Browser using LibMWTk anytime soon, but will be based on Webkit without a doubt |
| 09:54.13 | TheBootroo | here were apps i had developped for maemo5 using QtWidget, i plan to port them to LibMWTK soon : http://modern-os.projects.servhome.org/mobileApps/ |
| 09:54.29 | TheBootroo | they all supported autorotation and simple UI |
| 09:54.59 | TheBootroo | and they almost already have a LibMWTk guidelined UI |
| 09:55.16 | TheBootroo | almost... |
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| 09:56.19 | TheBootroo | music player would be great if it supported landscape so i could usen it on my TV |
| 09:56.44 | TheBootroo | hopefully my own music player supports it |
| 09:57.01 | TheBootroo | i only need to finish LibMWTk and use QtMultimediaKit to play sound |
| 09:59.14 | TheBootroo | i would need some help to fix some bugs in LibMWTk : |
| 09:59.44 | TheBootroo | - first : antialiasing is on but on the N950 it is off |
| 10:00.30 | TheBootroo | - second : the VKB appears always in landscape, even when the app UI is portrait, so i tried to use the X11 meego angle flag but no effect |
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| 10:00.53 | TheBootroo | - third : in fact the all harmattan ui think my apps are always in landscape |
| 10:01.19 | gri | TheBootroo: You can "steal" from qt-components |
| 10:01.32 | gri | the orientation classes are c++ without meegotouch as I remember |
| 10:01.54 | TheBootroo | gri: too much complicated : they use some meegotouch classes to build harmattan Window Qml element |
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| 10:02.21 | gri | TheBootroo: Really? I can use qt-components with blanco style on windows here |
| 10:02.22 | TheBootroo | if you find the solution to fix the angle flag i am interested |
| 10:02.51 | TheBootroo | gri: yeah but on windows no orientation flag (no X11) |
| 10:03.29 | TheBootroo | - fourth : in raster graphicssystem , very slow but gradients are correct, in meegographics, speed but gradients like 64K color |
| 10:04.47 | TheBootroo | - fifth : if i don't put fullscreen i have a dumd toolbar at the bottom of window, so i put fulscreen but i loose the status bar so i had to implement my own (no that bad) |
| 10:04.54 | gri | mdeclarativescreen.cpp does not use meegotouch |
| 10:05.10 | gri | and you can also use contextsubscriber for screen orientation |
| 10:05.23 | TheBootroo | gri: do you have a gitorious URl because i don't have the sources on my computer |
| 10:05.31 | gri | https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/master/src/meego/mdeclarativescreen.cpp |
| 10:05.47 | TheBootroo | gri: in will not use context because its meego specific |
| 10:06.02 | gri | do a wrapper class? |
| 10:06.35 | TheBootroo | gri: currently i use QOrientationReading to detect orientation (work fine) but i need a way to tell the harmattan compositor that my app has been rotated so it can rotate too |
| 10:07.22 | TheBootroo | gri: yeah i think about a wrapper class, because i will need it for maemo5 and Symbian 3 too, and maybe android and iOS later |
| 10:07.30 | gri | TheBootroo: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/master/src/meego/mdeclarativescreen.cpp#line144 |
| 10:07.32 | TheBootroo | but seems quiet hard to achieve |
| 10:08.02 | TheBootroo | gri: i have already used this code with the X11 property, works very partially |
| 10:10.57 | gri | TheBootroo: Ok, then I'm out of ideas :) |
| 10:11.11 | TheBootroo | gri me too and that's the problem |
| 10:11.14 | TheBootroo | -_- |
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| 10:13.02 | TheBootroo | no idea for the antialiasing and gradient bugs ? maybedue to graphicsSystem.... |
| 10:14.26 | vladest | gonna mad: qtcreator lost all includes when switching to harmattan/meego platform |
| 10:14.54 | gri | vladest: Yours too? |
| 10:15.11 | Venemo | vladest, gri, this bug only happens for me on Windows version of Qt Creator, but not on the Linux version |
| 10:15.13 | gri | mine doesn't even recognize standard qt classes |
| 10:15.20 | gri | same here, windows |
| 10:15.31 | vladest | gri: yep |
| 10:15.59 | TheBootroo | gri windows is shit to develop |
| 10:16.01 | gri | On the first try it worked but then stopped for one week now |
| 10:16.02 | vladest | have to switch to symabin, coding, then switch back |
| 10:16.02 | TheBootroo | really |
| 10:16.10 | gri | TheBootroo: I have no choice |
| 10:16.16 | vladest | gri: same here |
| 10:16.18 | gri | can only run linux is a virtual machine |
| 10:16.25 | gri | or mac os x on a slow machine |
| 10:17.02 | gri | madde on windows is even slow as hell when it comes to packaging |
| 10:17.22 | gri | and also misses to add +x flags to some binaries |
| 10:18.17 | TheBootroo | gri: normal since windows don't handle linux permissions |
| 10:19.15 | gri | also can't use remote compiler since I added commhistory to madde manually (this is only available on scratchbox ..) |
| 10:19.17 | Venemo | gri, install a dual-boot Linux to your machine, doesn't matter whcih distro. |
| 10:19.36 | gri | Venemo: I have, but latest ubuntu does not support wlan, sound and display driver ... |
| 10:19.48 | TheBootroo | gri: what is your machine ? |
| 10:20.02 | TheBootroo | gri: it makes ages i did no more see ubuntu failing with drivers... |
| 10:20.24 | gri | Acer Aspire 5830TG, Sandy Bridge i5 with optimus graphics card (intel and nvidia) |
| 10:20.30 | gri | no idea about the sound and wlan driver |
| 10:20.59 | TheBootroo | gri: ah optimus system, its true that it fails ATM on linux |
| 10:21.22 | Venemo | gri, you can use the Intel graphics only. AFAIK. |
| 10:21.25 | gri | battery time on windows: 11h; on linux: 1,5 h |
| 10:21.38 | Venemo | gri, but yeah, I can understand you not wanting to hack about it. |
| 10:21.44 | gri | since there's no way to turn off the nvidia card which is not used. Bumblebee does not work |
| 10:24.09 | gri | hopes there will be a kernel update to fix all this. Notebook is now about 3 months old which means more people might have equal chipsets |
| 10:24.54 | gri | maybe there already is one, haven't tried for three weeks now |
| 10:25.58 | Venemo | gri, well, NVidia announced there won't be any Optimus support for Linux from them |
| 10:26.15 | Stskeeps | .. why should there be |
| 10:26.24 | Venemo | Stskeeps, pardon? |
| 10:26.38 | Stskeeps | i mean, asking nvidia to support a LG phone's hw |
| 10:26.41 | gri | Venemo: Yes, but someone could have created a bumblebee config to turn off the card since I only use the intel one |
| 10:26.56 | Stskeeps | oh, optimus graphics card |
| 10:26.57 | Stskeeps | nevermind |
| 10:27.01 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:27.06 | Venemo | Stskeeps, what, lcuk's spirit has visited you and gave you some of his sense of humor? :P |
| 10:27.31 | MohammadAG | :| |
| 10:27.58 | Venemo | only person who could say such a joke is poor lcuk... :( |
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| 10:44.34 | TheBootroo | guys i gonna eat, i'll back in less than an hour |
| 10:44.40 | TheBootroo | is afk |
| 10:48.35 | gri | Yay, qtcreator deleted my manifest.aegis again ... |
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| 10:54.29 | wazd | is there any way to force "repeat" in the Media Player? |
| 10:54.34 | wazd | that pisses me off |
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| 11:08.12 | gri | still no sound on ubuntu without vm :( |
| 11:08.29 | gri | and unity makes me go crazy :/ |
| 11:14.24 | vladest | gri: moneyfest :) stored in the project folder in file _aegis |
| 11:15.03 | gri | vladest: Yeah, but if you create your own, your own is copied to _aegis when creating a package |
| 11:15.13 | Venemo | gri, use F15 with gnome-shell |
| 11:15.13 | gri | and qtcreator sometimes kills mine inside qtc_packaging |
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| 11:15.26 | gri | F15? |
| 11:15.47 | Venemo | gri, Fedora 15 |
| 11:16.19 | gri | I'm so used to ubuntu :P |
| 11:16.28 | gri | (if there wasn't unity) |
| 11:16.32 | Venemo | you just wrote unity was crap |
| 11:16.34 | Venemo | :P |
| 11:16.43 | Venemo | that is why I gave you that tip |
| 11:16.47 | gri | Gnome2 was pretty fine |
| 11:17.04 | gri | gnome-shell is gnome3? |
| 11:17.45 | Venemo | gri, gnome-shell is the new GUI of Gnome 3, yes. |
| 11:18.31 | gri | I liked the old-fashioned menus like in windows xp or gnome 2 :) |
| 11:19.15 | Venemo | gri, then use KDE or Xfce, or switch Gnome 3 to the "fallback mode" |
| 11:19.22 | gri | gnome-shell looks as confusing as unity |
| 11:19.56 | Venemo | the difference is that one can like and get used to gnome-shell in a few days, which is not the case with unity. |
| 11:20.05 | Venemo | however, as I said, go for KDE or Xfce then :) |
| 11:20.19 | Venemo | there is also "kubuntu" and "xubuntu" |
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| 11:27.00 | gri | Phew, classic desktop is still available on 11.04 :) |
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| 11:29.33 | kkito | hello |
| 11:30.16 | Venemo | hi |
| 11:32.22 | jreznik | uses F15/F16 with KDE :) ah, I know, /me is Fedora/RH KDE devel/maintainer :) but still the best :) |
| 11:33.52 | hiemanshu | jreznik: hush, dont give out secrets, the gnomer users will kill you, and so will the .deb lovers |
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| 11:34.40 | Venemo | jreznik, hiemanshu, /me is also a F15 user, haven't tried F16 yet though |
| 11:34.47 | kkito | kde 4 sucks, but gnome 3 sucks more :D |
| 11:35.14 | hiemanshu | use XFCE :D |
| 11:41.37 | TheBootroo | is back |
| 11:42.12 | TheBootroo | gri: you can use gnome2 in ubuntu, just selection session 'ubuntu classic (no effect)' in the GDM and this Gnome2 |
| 11:43.24 | gri | TheBootroo, Did that, still missing sound and can't disable to power-consuming nvidia card |
| 11:43.44 | TheBootroo | arf |
| 11:44.07 | TheBootroo | there was a trick with a Grub2 option to disable Nvidia at boot but i think its only for sony viao |
| 11:44.11 | TheBootroo | *VAIO |
| 11:45.49 | gri | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/783582 |
| 11:48.26 | gri | oh, comment #33 seems to solve it |
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| 11:53.57 | vladest | what mount points have n950/n9? |
| 11:55.17 | SpeedEvil | Mount points? |
| 11:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | vladest: http://paste.debian.net/131756/ |
| 11:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | devtmpfs on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=504256k,nr_inodes=126064,mode=755) *PLUS* devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,gid=5,mode=620) **puzzles me |
| 11:58.22 | DocScrutinizer | err no |
| 11:58.43 | DocScrutinizer | just proves I need glasses ;-P |
| 12:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | wazd: ( is there any way to force "repeat") sure, lower right, the usual symbol |
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| 12:05.50 | wazd | DocScrutinizer: try to press it and then switch album for example |
| 12:06.03 | wazd | DocScrutinizer: it would turn off |
| 12:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok |
| 12:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | I think that's no bug but a feature ;-) |
| 12:06.45 | wazd | and that pisses me off! :D |
| 12:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | get a better mp3 player then (if aegis allows you to do ;-P) |
| 12:08.09 | RST38h | Moo, wazd, Doc |
| 12:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h |
| 12:08.36 | wazd | I'm pretty fine witht he stock one but I just don't understand that solution |
| 12:08.47 | wazd | RST38h: o/ |
| 12:08.56 | MohammadAG | force repeat = repeat always on? |
| 12:09.02 | wazd | yes |
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| 12:09.11 | MohammadAG | you could have a MafwPlaylist daemon that listens to that |
| 12:09.18 | MohammadAG | if repeat is set to off, set to on again |
| 12:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | got hooked by activating mp3 player for mere test purposes, now heads out to listen to B52's for an hour or two |
| 12:10.07 | RST38h | speaking of mp3 player... |
| 12:10.37 | TheBootroo | BTW the stock music player is not very good |
| 12:20.52 | RzR | hi |
| 12:21.17 | RzR | do u need me to operate on shared repo |
| 12:21.31 | RzR | i am online for few hours |
| 12:24.21 | RST38h | Ah here he is |
| 12:24.35 | RST38h | RzR: Actually, yes, we need you to operate on shared repo |
| 12:25.03 | RST38h | RzR: You have got a packaged called readline-common in your repo that clashes with the same package in the Nokia official repo |
| 12:25.53 | RST38h | RzR: This leads to "apt-get upgrade" constantly offering to upgrade the package but not being able to do it (because the same package is already installed from Nokia and apt-get prefers Nokia's repo to yours) |
| 12:45.46 | TheBootroo | is some one here well skilled on the harmattan graphics system ? |
| 12:48.12 | TheBootroo | i need to understand why the antialiasing is disabled on the n950 and enabled on my computer |
| 12:48.20 | MohammadAG | On the positive side, fortunately, I've not found a way to send Premium SMSs without credentials yet. Mostly because every time I succeeded I would have to pay the SMS, which I'm not willing to do |
| 12:48.36 | Venemo | MohammadAG, quote from javis? |
| 12:48.39 | MohammadAG | javispedro forgot that MyNokia/cherry would be signed I guess |
| 12:48.40 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 12:48.54 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 12:49.10 | RST38h | Yes, because it is a useful and reliable utility, totally safe! |
| 12:57.57 | TheBootroo | even on my computer when i force openGl graphicssystem the AA dont work, gradients are destroyed and some weird bugs appears |
| 12:58.03 | TheBootroo | what can i do ? |
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| 12:59.52 | MohammadAG | so |
| 13:00.05 | MohammadAG | how does aegis decide what the origin is? |
| 13:00.14 | TheBootroo | here is the reference Raster mode : http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1313/201109230002.png and here is the OpenGL mode : http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5664/201109230001.png |
| 13:00.27 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: because nokia packages are signed? |
| 13:00.35 | TheBootroo | help please, opengl is ugly but meego forces opengl, and raster is heavy |
| 13:00.41 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, no, it's not that |
| 13:00.46 | MohammadAG | it can know the origin |
| 13:00.55 | MohammadAG | get a signed package and upload it somewhere, you can't install it |
| 13:01.17 | hiemanshu | hmmm |
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| 13:02.24 | gri | Wow! Compiliing and creating a package with MADDE under ubuntu is about seconds whereas on windows it takes two minutes for me |
| 13:02.35 | TheBootroo | gri: hehe |
| 13:02.46 | TheBootroo | gri: its because Ubuntu > Windows |
| 13:02.54 | TheBootroo | (we are friday isn't it :D ) |
| 13:03.28 | TheBootroo | someone has an idea to fix my problem with openGL graphicssystem ? |
| 13:03.31 | gri | TheBootroo, Windows is unusable if you're running many small processes like in packaging is done. |
| 13:03.44 | jreznik | anna icon generator does not work for me - I get only black background... any non ait/psd template available (for inkscape is the best!) |
| 13:03.51 | TheBootroo | i tried to enable diffrent flags of the QGV but no effect |
| 13:04.28 | TheBootroo | jreznik: use SVG, not AIT or PSD |
| 13:04.58 | TheBootroo | and use the javispedro icon generator, works well for me |
| 13:05.05 | MohammadAG | gri, perl and stuff, yes |
| 13:05.30 | jreznik | TheBootroo: where can I get SVG? I was googling and found only ait/psd ones but looks like gimp can read psd so it's ok right now :) |
| 13:06.21 | TheBootroo | jreznik: what do you search? only an icon for your prog take a small SV in inskape, and javis utility will do the squircle : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3714&highlight=generator |
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| 13:10.27 | RzR | RST38h: i did rm rl6 |
| 13:11.29 | TheBootroo | can someone here explain me why OpenGL gives a such crappy result compared to Raster ? |
| 13:11.31 | RzR | RST38h: plaz try to double check and email me why i should do |
| 13:11.36 | gri | For some reason my project does not work when compiling from linux madde. Windows one and scratchbox did work :/ |
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| 13:11.52 | gri | plugin cannot be loaded for module "Web2SMS": Cannot load library /usr/lib/qt4/imports/Web2SMS/libweb2sms.so: (/usr/lib/qt4/imports/Web2SMS/libweb2sms.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK11CommHistory10GroupModel8rowCountERK11QModelIndex) |
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| 13:12.07 | RzR | RST38h: put dj in cc. too plz |
| 13:13.25 | RST38h | RzR: Sorry, I do not know your email address, nor do I know who dj is. |
| 13:13.48 | RST38h | RzR: So, you will have to go by the information I provided. Here is the readline-common from Nokia: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/r/readline5/ |
| 13:14.04 | RST38h | RzR: You will find your own version of readline-common in your own repo. |
| 13:14.36 | RST38h | Elessar: Hey, any news on the FBReader/QML port? =) |
| 13:15.43 | rZZZr | RST38h: rzr@gna.org |
| 13:15.46 | rZZZr | later |
| 13:19.03 | Elessar | RST38h: hi, I'm fighting with segfault, dunno any ways to remove it |
| 13:19.07 | gri | plugin cannot be loaded for module "Web2SMS": Cannot load library /usr/lib/qt4/imports/Web2SMS/libweb2sms.so: (/usr/lib/qt4/imports/Web2SMS/libweb2sms.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK11CommHistory10GroupModel8rowCountERK11QModelIndex) |
| 13:19.10 | gri | argh |
| 13:19.20 | gri | ldd libweb2sms.so | grep comm |
| 13:19.20 | gri | ldd: warning: you do not have execution permission for `./libweb2sms.so' |
| 13:19.41 | Elessar | stack is corrupted so I can't see the trace |
| 13:19.41 | Elessar | and valgrind fails with strange error "Valgrind: FATAL: VG_N_SEGNAMES is too low." at FBReader's startup |
| 13:19.54 | RST38h | A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its |
| 13:19.58 | RST38h | recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: rzr@free.fr |
| 13:20.24 | RST38h | Elessar: compiling with -g and without -O* does not help? |
| 13:22.08 | Elessar | hm, it's currently compiles with -O3 -g -pg |
| 13:22.47 | Elessar | I should check with -O0 |
| 13:24.06 | RST38h | Elessar: Remove -O completely, leave -g, remove -pg |
| 13:24.40 | RST38h | Elessar: If you still end up with a bad stack, try running the thing under gdb on the device (gdb runs on N950) |
| 13:25.12 | Elessar | erm |
| 13:25.44 | Elessar | I've tried already to build with "-O0 -g" and run it under gdb on device |
| 13:26.13 | Elessar | stack is curropted |
| 13:26.36 | Elessar | that is why I've tried to run it by valgrind |
| 13:27.14 | Elessar | > Aegis rejecting valgrind_3.6.1-1_armel.deb: package 'valgrind' already installed from 'com.nokia.maemo' -- not replacing it from unknown origin |
| 13:27.39 | Elessar | is there any way to install build-by-me valgrind? |
| 13:28.00 | RST38h | yeah |
| 13:28.06 | RST38h | no :) |
| 13:28.21 | RST38h | you can remove the one from nokia then it will let you install yours I think |
| 13:28.45 | Tronic | I can no longer answer phone calls. Only a black screen is displayed after I swipe to unlock and the ringtone doesn't play at any point. |
| 13:28.48 | Elessar | how can I do it? |
| 13:29.10 | Tronic | I've tried rebooting the device, no help. |
| 13:29.14 | RST38h | dpkg -r valgrind ? |
| 13:29.26 | Tronic | Any suggestions? |
| 13:29.37 | Arkenoi | inability to replace existing package may cause future problems |
| 13:29.47 | RST38h | somehow I doubt you will get much info from valgrind though |
| 13:29.59 | RST38h | Elsessar: At which moment does it crash? |
| 13:30.12 | Arkenoi | i want to add zrtp support to gstreamer and i am not sure it is possible without replacing things |
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| 13:33.04 | RST38h | Elessar: You may be better off surrounding the crash point with printf()s and finding out where it crashes this way |
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| 13:33.14 | RST38h | Stack or no stack, printf(0s do not lie |
| 13:34.02 | DocScrutinizer | (think I already told it) Aegis sucks! Using an arbitrary intelligent filemanager on my desktop - like I used to do for N900 and N810 and OM FR - to copy some file from $arbitrary-source to sftp://root@N950/* gives me "ERROR: write protected destination" --- SUCKS! No mater how great and safe aegis might be for consumer grade device, for developr device it's unbearable |
| 13:34.20 | Elessar | I've tried %) |
| 13:34.36 | MohammadAG | <Arkenoi> inability to replace existing package may cause future problems |
| 13:34.38 | hiemanshu | Tronic: keep rebooting until it works, happens randomly |
| 13:34.42 | RST38h | Elessar: So, at which (approximate) spot does it crash? |
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| 13:34.44 | MohammadAG | goodbye CSSU :p |
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| 13:35.04 | RST38h | AFAIK you can remove existing packages and install your own |
| 13:35.13 | RST38h | Not every package, but non-essential ones |
| 13:35.44 | Elessar | hm, how can I remove it without removing packages which depends on it? |
| 13:35.57 | MohammadAG | force |
| 13:36.09 | MohammadAG | gives me ideas |
| 13:36.16 | MohammadAG | why not unhook dpkg from aegis? |
| 13:36.35 | MohammadAG | so we can at least install upgrades |
| 13:38.26 | DocScrutinizer | dpkg injects the hashes for aegis, so unless your "unhooked" version does the same (which probably is impossible to implement on current aegis config) you may install upgrades but they won't run as validator fails on them -- [disclaimer] AIUI |
| 13:38.53 | hiemanshu | we will find a way through DocScrutinizer, we will :D |
| 13:39.03 | Arkenoi | amazingly enough, turns out that our aegis fanboy is not even nokia employee, which makes his zealotish attitude having even less sense |
| 13:39.25 | hiemanshu | dj? |
| 13:39.29 | Arkenoi | yep |
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| 13:40.03 | hiemanshu | ah |
| 13:43.43 | berndhs | maybe his wife's second cousin owns Nokia stock |
| 13:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | (for developr device it's unbearable) and don't tell me a develper has to do things like copying tools to device in an aegis conforming way so the final product can run on consumer devices which of course have strict aegis config. That's obviously nonsense, the above mentioned probelm is just getting in the way of a streamlined development process while being completely unrelated to testing of the app under target platform conditions |
| 13:45.52 | Tronic | hiemanshu: I guess I'll try beta 2 instead. |
| 13:46.12 | Tronic | Just need to find a way to backup my contacts and other stuff first. |
| 13:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | a completely clean approach would be to get a user "developer" that owns *all* the privileges incl those that root is missing, and simply not creating that user on consumer devices. I know I know "aegis doesn't work like that...." - but it *could*, definitely |
| 13:46.48 | Tronic | Btw, what's up with aegis on beta2, cracked already? |
| 13:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | :x |
| 13:47.18 | Elessar | hm, where are sources of installed on device packages? |
| 13:47.18 | hiemanshu | ofc not |
| 13:47.24 | frals | Arkenoi: and what is your source on this? |
| 13:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | Tronic: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575 |
| 13:48.18 | Arkenoi | frals, was on fmo |
| 13:48.36 | Arkenoi | fmc even |
| 13:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | frals: achipa ? |
| 13:48.46 | frals | DocScrutinizer: djszapi |
| 13:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | no achipa |
| 13:49.05 | frals | DocScrutinizer: ah, doh, ok :) |
| 13:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | said exactly this, here in this very chan |
| 13:49.16 | frals | friday afternoon so brain is approaching hibernate |
| 13:49.35 | frals | yeah, i guess you can nitpick and say hes not a nokia employee |
| 13:50.01 | frals | but that doesnt mean hes not working on harmattan for nokia otoh |
| 13:50.09 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 13:50.26 | frals | crash fix commited, time to go home \o/ |
| 13:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'd just like to know the boilerplate on the office building he's entering each morning |
| 13:50.42 | kimju | DocScrutinizer, would be easy to do.. with login shell like "if(uid == devel_uid){execv(/bin/sh);}" and grant that with enough of tokens.. |
| 13:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | kimju: just set the login shell for user "developer" accordingly, and set up according rules in aegis so it will not run under any other account |
| 13:51.59 | gri | kimju, Developer already has /bin/develsh as login shell |
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| 13:52.58 | gri | MohammadAG, Mind helping me with a strange linker error? |
| 13:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | hey, I heard develsh is no more on beta2? so what'S the developer login shell then? |
| 13:53.19 | gri | DocScrutinizer, It exists but the origin changed from "com.nokia.maemo" to "" on beta2 |
| 13:53.30 | gri | so it has less credentials |
| 13:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 13:53.44 | Venemo | Arkenoi, this is not really news |
| 13:55.21 | gri | If I have libcommhistory0.so, libcommhistory0.0.so and libcommhistory0.0.1.so, a line with "LIBS += -lcommhistory0" should work, right? I always get "cannot find -lcommhistory0" |
| 13:55.56 | gri | (strangely this worked with madde on windows) |
| 13:56.21 | Venemo | gri, either LIBS or use pkg-config |
| 13:56.32 | gri | Venemo, even the pkg-config key does not work |
| 13:56.38 | gri | it links -lcommhistory |
| 13:56.51 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: there is develsh, and devel-sh |
| 13:56.57 | hiemanshu | no sure how different it is |
| 13:57.15 | gri | in scratchbox and windows madde I have no problem, linux madde does not work |
| 13:57.15 | gri | hiemanshu, Both are in the same package |
| 13:57.29 | hiemanshu | why two binaries then? |
| 13:57.55 | gri | If one still had the .deb from beta1, we could get the old credentials in beta2 since it's signed from com.nokia.maemo |
| 13:58.36 | gri | they removed the old version from the servers, already tried that .. |
| 13:59.29 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: aegis credentials are per binary file*inode |
| 13:59.59 | hiemanshu | yeah |
| 14:00.09 | hiemanshu | but what is the difference between the two is what I would like to know |
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| 14:00.22 | gri | I think both are the same |
| 14:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | that'S the whole trick of develsh (and devel-sh), which is a binary as simple as it gets, basically doing an exec(sh) |
| 14:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | the difference are the "permissions" assigned to them I guess |
| 14:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | if you could get a binary signed by nokia and equipped with *all* the nice permissions, that just does "exec $@" you'd basically be done |
| 14:02.41 | Stskeeps | i really wonder what the hold-up for a kernel that has aegis enforcement disabled is |
| 14:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder what the holdup for beta2 kernel source is |
| 14:03.12 | Stskeeps | well, or beta2 anything |
| 14:03.19 | Stskeeps | perhaps they just forgot, they .. tend to do that at times |
| 14:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | *burrp* |
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| 14:04.18 | Venemo | lol |
| 14:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | googles for some new nicely dirty swearwords, then logs in to aegis-coffin via ssh to wget the files he's not allowed to sftp://root@n950 |
| 14:05.21 | Venemo | what happens if one does 'apt-get remove aegis*'? |
| 14:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 14:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | you tell us |
| 14:05.49 | Venemo | hasn't dared to try |
| 14:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | sissi |
| 14:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | for your entertainment: http://paste.debian.net/131783/ |
| 14:11.29 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, it's not really that entertaining |
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| 14:13.22 | RST38h | "45% of Android users to upgrade to rival phone OSes" |
| 14:13.29 | RST38h | What is a "rival phone OS"? |
| 14:13.34 | Venemo | RST38h, WP7 |
| 14:13.36 | Venemo | :P |
| 14:13.39 | trx | lol |
| 14:14.29 | RST38h | Doc: Why are you getting medieval on your N950? =) |
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| 14:17.59 | gri | DocScrutinizer, Do you still have the 1.13 develsh package in your /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 14:18.43 | rZZZr | RST38h: back |
| 14:18.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | why not? if it ever been there |
| 14:19.09 | gri | I don't know where else the packages are stored :) |
| 14:19.15 | rZZZr | RST38h: do u want me to add u as membere of that repo |
| 14:21.35 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: now reboot! |
| 14:22.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | hiemanshu: wut? |
| 14:22.19 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: after apt-get remove aegis* :P |
| 14:22.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | you think -s wasn't what I thought it was? |
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| 14:22.52 | RST38h | rZZZr: No. I want you to fix your repo so that it does not contain packages clashing with the official Nokia repo. |
| 14:23.39 | hiemanshu | oh |
| 14:24.32 | rZZZr | RST38h: the pb is that i ll get my hands on a real computer in 2 weeks |
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| 14:28.13 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I can do "apt-get remove -s aegis*" all day long, and always get same output. Don't you think if it actually did change anything, then the second invocation should look different than the first? |
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| 14:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: |
| 14:50.37 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.38 | DocScrutinizer | 00: 40 30 0a 51 09 2c 40 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff @0?Q?,@......... |
| 14:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | does this look familiar to you? |
| 14:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | actually addr i2cbus2:0x6b |
| 14:53.32 | DocScrutinizer | iirc reg3 been ID register of other BQ chips, no? |
| 14:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | meh, we should move to mhd |
| 14:55.16 | RST38h | rZZZr: If you cannot do it remotely yourself, maybe you can ask the other guy (dj?) to do it? |
| 14:55.54 | RST38h | Meanwhile: "The idea of drinking pigeon milk may bring a shudder to every sane and rational person in the world, but it's actually quite nutritious." |
| 14:56.30 | rZZZr | RST38h: plz do if u met him |
| 15:09.39 | Tronic | Which version develsh still has the old permissions? |
| 15:09.55 | Tronic | I have develsh_1.14+0m6 |
| 15:10.22 | Tronic | I can backup the .deb in case someone wants to try it on beta2. |
| 15:12.07 | Tronic | http://zi.fi/debug/develsh_1.14+0m6_armel.deb |
| 15:13.29 | Tronic | I guess 1.14 is the b0rked one :( |
| 15:13.51 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 15:15.54 | gri | Tronic, 1.13 was beta1 |
| 15:16.34 | Tronic | is still running beta1 |
| 15:16.46 | gri | Yes, but there were updates some days ago |
| 15:16.49 | Tronic | Yep. |
| 15:16.53 | gri | if you ran them, you have 1.14 |
| 15:17.42 | gri | Tronic, Please take a look at /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf and see if develsh has a "Source:" entry |
| 15:19.31 | Tronic | Source: com.nokia.maemo |
| 15:19.49 | gri | hmm |
| 15:20.40 | gri | If you have the source entry, you still have the desired credentials |
| 15:22.16 | gri | Tronic, Do you have 1.14 installed or not? A friend of mine has 1.14 on his disk but 1.13 installed |
| 15:23.18 | gri | Tronic, Please run "dpkg --status develsh | grep Version" |
| 15:23.20 | Tronic | I seem to have 1.13 installed. |
| 15:24.28 | Tronic | Wouldn't you get that installed also by one click flasher, or did that have develsh installed by default? |
| 15:24.48 | Tronic | (if you still have the beta1 flasher) |
| 15:25.04 | gri | I don't have the old one and nobody tried downgrading |
| 15:25.31 | gri | The problem is, if it's preinstalled on beta1, you don't have the package in cache |
| 15:25.41 | gri | If it's not preinstalled, it will install 1.14 |
| 15:26.40 | Tronic | Yep. I also tried googling for the deb, but no luck with that. |
| 15:27.02 | MohammadAG | apt-get --reinstall install develsh=1.13+0m6? |
| 15:27.04 | Tronic | Strange if no-one mirrored it. |
| 15:27.22 | Tronic | MohammadAG: Needs the .deb and that has been deleted from servers. |
| 15:27.37 | MohammadAG | what's the use anyway |
| 15:27.45 | MohammadAG | even if you have the deb |
| 15:27.56 | MohammadAG | if it's not from Nokia's servers it won't work |
| 15:28.25 | gri | MohammadAG, The 1.13 is not on the servers anymore |
| 15:28.26 | Tronic | Isn't the deb itself signed by Nokia's keys? |
| 15:28.37 | gri | MohammadAG, The key is in the deb |
| 15:28.55 | MohammadAG | Tronic, still won't install it |
| 15:28.59 | gri | I think |
| 15:29.04 | MohammadAG | no |
| 15:29.07 | Tronic | I suppose that taking the develsh binary from an old system and injecting it into another device isn't possible? |
| 15:29.14 | MohammadAG | you can get signed debs and they won't install |
| 15:29.24 | MohammadAG | they have to be on Nokia's servers |
| 15:29.36 | Tronic | MohammadAG: Is the server connection using SSL? |
| 15:29.47 | Tronic | Because HTTP you could trivially fake. |
| 15:30.02 | Elessar | hm, it can work |
| 15:30.20 | Elessar | apt-get uses simple http connection |
| 15:30.30 | gri | harmattan does not use standard apt-get |
| 15:30.35 | gri | it's a modified version |
| 15:30.47 | alterego | Even fremantle used https apt repos |
| 15:30.52 | alterego | Done thing nowadays |
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| 15:35.46 | gri | MohammadAG, The origin seems do be in the deb file |
| 15:36.13 | gri | MohammadAG, sdk-connectivity-tool |
| 15:36.15 | gri | argh |
| 15:36.27 | gri | MohammadAG, http://paste.debian.net/131813/ |
| 15:37.40 | gri | I installed it from disk and it still says "com.nokia.maemo" |
| 15:39.10 | MohammadAG | interesting |
| 15:39.50 | gri | Otherwise develsh would not come from "" even though it's on nokia servers |
| 15:41.41 | Tronic | For the record: even if we can find 1.13 somehow, wouldn't Nokia have banned that package in beta2? |
| 15:42.20 | Tronic | (which is a standard practice in DRM systems when there is a leak) |
| 15:44.36 | Elessar | hm, I have only develsh-0.14 deb package |
| 15:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | what a useless redundant work :-/ http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1094568&postcount=49 |
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| 15:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | feels fed up with downloading pdfs from TI |
| 15:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | while Nokia could've added component names in their schematics |
| 15:58.44 | gri | Tronic, I don't think it's banned |
| 15:58.45 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: probably a silly question, but isn't the battery module in lsmod? |
| 15:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | maybe, dunno |
| 15:59.09 | MohammadAG | sillier question, can you run lsmod :P |
| 15:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check |
| 16:00.01 | MohammadAG | oh nice |
| 16:00.10 | MohammadAG | BCM GPS module |
| 16:00.10 | MohammadAG | that's why it broke |
| 16:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | nuttin that looks faintly like a battery module |
| 16:00.20 | gri | MohammadAG, If the key is on the packages and we would be able to extract the flasher, couldn't one add a community key assigned to "com.nokia.maemo"? |
| 16:00.47 | MohammadAG | cause broadcom sucks |
| 16:00.52 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: but we got bme again \o/ |
| 16:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# bme_RX-71 --version |
| 16:01.53 | DocScrutinizer | Battery Management Entity (BME), version 3.8.1.20 |
| 16:01.54 | DocScrutinizer | Copyright (c) 2003-2011 Nokia Corporation. All rights reserved. |
| 16:01.56 | MohammadAG | gri no idea |
| 16:01.56 | MohammadAG | expert on this would be javispedro, not me |
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| 16:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, time for jrbme-9(50)? ? |
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| 17:01.11 | faenil | heeeey |
| 17:01.28 | faenil | can't believe I'm here xD slept 4 hours, and got 8hours of lessons... |
| 17:01.53 | DocScrutinizer | your own fault, nobody else to blame ;-D |
| 17:02.03 | berndhs | just sleep in class |
| 17:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | except of course we are such a nice crowd |
| 17:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | berndhs: I was expert in that discipline |
| 17:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 17:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | esp the physics lessons were so "yawn, did that when I was 5yo" |
| 17:04.07 | berndhs | as long as you don't sit in the first row |
| 17:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | depends on teacher's habits |
| 17:04.38 | hiemanshu | we sit on the last bench and work up code and such |
| 17:05.28 | berndhs | i usually listened to the lectures, then i didnt have to study |
| 17:05.41 | hiemanshu | I did a mix of both |
| 17:05.52 | hiemanshu | and managed to do ok in exams without studying most of the time |
| 17:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | I usually studied at home, years before I had to know it at school |
| 17:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | pretty stupid, but meh |
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| 17:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | esp annoying if you get a bad rank on a test because you used methods (to a perfect result) that hadn't been taught yet |
| 17:11.08 | berndhs | let's face it, linux audio processing sucks |
| 17:11.29 | SpeedEvil | berndhs: you came to that realisation about a couple of decades late |
| 17:11.56 | berndhs | let's get Lennart to go fix it |
| 17:12.05 | hiemanshu | like he cares |
| 17:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~poettering |
| 17:12.45 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' |
| 17:15.12 | faenil | what about neutrines? :D |
| 17:16.44 | snowpong | Anyone played around with volume keys? Right now I'm using QmKeys to catch the hw keys from the n950 + headphones - but the global volume and my apps volume are not aligned it seems - is there some magic trick that I'm missing? |
| 17:17.01 | snowpong | is setting the volume through gstreamer |
| 17:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | snowpong: maybe http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Set_volume has something that applies here as well? |
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| 17:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | aiui mafw isn't existent anymore on HARM though |
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| 17:24.31 | snowpong | DocScrutinizer: or it's some resource policy thing - http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Best_practices_for_application_development_Selecting_the_resource_application_class.html I see an AudioPlaybackType |
| 17:25.10 | DocScrutinizer | just felt like doing a lil fancy and try to find sth about volume at http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/index.php?title=Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Harmattan_platform_and_Platform_SDK_overview/Security_domain_overview --- watchin 209(!!!) pictures to get loaded - *YAWN* |
| 17:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | one up: 184 pics |
| 17:27.29 | gri | LJASJFLDS AAHH! |
| 17:27.33 | gri | today I hate gitorious |
| 17:27.54 | gri | slow as hell, lost my whole comment I've just written ... |
| 17:28.01 | berndhs | well, gitorious is not for people in a hurry |
| 17:28.22 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.developer.nokia.com/search/search.xhtml?view=ebs&view=ebs&box=1&s=x&k=volume --- ***YAWN***! |
| 17:29.04 | gri | grrr, firefox doesn't even remember my text :((( |
| 17:31.51 | zehjotkah | hi everyone |
| 17:32.56 | snowpong | DocScrutinizer: I think I need to request some ResourcePolicy for it - hmm will have to investigate another day |
| 17:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | snowpong: sounds about right |
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| 17:34.00 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I give up on that awkward http://www.developer.nokia.com/search/ - It makes me swear |
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| 17:34.19 | DocScrutinizer | hi zehjotkah |
| 17:34.59 | zehjotkah | hey DocScrutinizer :) |
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| 17:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi! o/ |
| 17:35.32 | faenil | hey javis :) |
| 17:35.45 | javispedro | hi gentlemen |
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| 17:36.41 | Venemo | hey |
| 17:36.53 | Venemo | hi zehjotkah :) |
| 17:37.04 | zehjotkah | Hi Venemo :) |
| 17:37.08 | zehjotkah | javis |
| 17:38.49 | zehjotkah | hey Javis, Javier told me he's in contact with you |
| 17:39.10 | zehjotkah | would be awesome if in the end there could be just one unified app for all well knows bluetooth watches |
| 17:39.25 | zehjotkah | (I meant Xavier is in contact with you^^) |
| 17:39.31 | javispedro | yeah, you confused me for a while. |
| 17:39.42 | javispedro | yes he is |
| 17:40.06 | javispedro | yeah, I guess we can build one eventually. |
| 17:40.16 | javispedro | However, what he has told me so far about the MBW-150 is scaring |
| 17:40.22 | zehjotkah | I don't know anything about developing... ;) but maybe it helps to take a look into openwatch for n900? |
| 17:40.37 | javispedro | it seems that the watch initiates the connection, searching for a device with SPP |
| 17:40.43 | javispedro | and of course, pnatd on the N950 answers... |
| 17:41.02 | zehjotkah | http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/openwatch/0.4.1-1/ |
| 17:41.03 | javispedro | (pnatd is what makes Dial-Up Networking over Bluetooth possible) |
| 17:41.07 | javispedro | zehjotkah: it is closed source |
| 17:41.11 | zehjotkah | hmmm |
| 17:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Category:MeeGo "beyond U" - priceless |
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| 17:41.40 | zehjotkah | and let me guess, aegis does something in conflict with pnatd? |
| 17:41.41 | javispedro | zehjotkah: go and download the source, if you can find a single line, I'll be surprised =) |
| 17:41.50 | javispedro | no, no problems about aegis |
| 17:41.57 | javispedro | here, it's just pnatd being closed that is the problem |
| 17:42.17 | javispedro | if you cannot get the watch to try and connect to some other RFCOMM port, you're boned. |
| 17:42.35 | zehjotkah | :/ |
| 17:42.37 | javispedro | (well, there's always the option of killing it, but then, you lose bluetooth dial-up networking) |
| 17:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | errrrrrr |
| 17:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 17:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# pnatd --help |
| 17:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | Usage: pnatd [-d] [TTY node] |
| 17:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | why was my idea pnatd was gone on N950? |
| 17:43.39 | javispedro | dunno =) |
| 17:44.05 | javispedro | but I have to wonder how do they solve this is android |
| 17:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | kill pnatd? hehe, good luck |
| 17:44.34 | javispedro | because I'd expect Android to also run a AT* answer-machine ( ;) ) daemon and expose it as SPP/DUN profiles |
| 17:45.38 | RST38h | moos at javispedro with passion |
| 17:45.59 | javispedro | helo RST38h |
| 17:46.07 | RST38h | javispedro: some other company announced an Android environment for Meego (and Linux in general) |
| 17:46.08 | DocScrutinizer | actually I'd consider un"censored" exposal of pnatd AT-if via BT quite a bit of an issue |
| 17:46.23 | RST38h | javispedro: Maybe it is time to put 'em out of business? =) |
| 17:46.46 | javispedro | RST38h: it's probably risk #1 in their managerial risk list ;) |
| 17:47.13 | RST38h | javispedro: I suppose their risk #1 already got materialized when Meego folded |
| 17:47.38 | javispedro | RST38h: well, that's why they also mentioned WebOS. |
| 17:47.38 | javispedro | .... ooops ;) |
| 17:47.38 | Stskeeps | .. and qnx |
| 17:47.40 | Stskeeps | (oops) |
| 17:47.54 | RST38h | Ahhahha |
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| 17:48.09 | RST38h | Stskeeps:Did I miss something...err...Canadian today? |
| 17:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | aiui that announcement dated back to february, no? |
| 17:48.37 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no, this is a new fish in the pond |
| 17:48.41 | javispedro | from few days ago |
| 17:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | ooooh! |
| 17:48.48 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 17:49.08 | DocScrutinizer | so not alien dalvik? |
| 17:49.14 | RST38h | Doc: Right |
| 17:49.35 | javispedro | either way, I keep what I said last time. doing that is not hard, just requires a lot of time. Time that if I had available would be spent into doing the same for iOS which would be more .. interesting. |
| 17:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | makes sense: announce an addon for an OS that's already dead |
| 17:50.15 | RST38h | javispedro: less disruptive though |
| 17:50.35 | RST38h | Doc: They probably had it in the works long before they found out about this unfortunate detail |
| 17:50.44 | RST38h | Besides, theirs works in generic Linux, or so they say |
| 17:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
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| 17:50.54 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 17:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | yade |
| 17:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | yet another dalvik emulator |
| 17:51.37 | javispedro | RST38h: I mean iOS binaries on other platforms |
| 17:51.45 | javispedro | if that's not disruptive I don't know what is =) |
| 17:51.56 | Stskeeps | what, ios binaries on other platforms? |
| 17:51.59 | RST38h | ahhhhh |
| 17:52.09 | zehjotkah | O.o |
| 17:52.11 | Stskeeps | javispedro: actually, i met someone who had ported some basic stuff from ios |
| 17:52.17 | javispedro | Stskeeps: entirely doable realm |
| 17:52.17 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 17:52.23 | Stskeeps | he was in #meego i think |
| 17:52.26 | javispedro | Stskeeps: I've run puts("Hello World")-style apps |
| 17:52.40 | zehjotkah | wouldn't this be totally sueable by apple? ;) |
| 17:53.09 | RST38h | zehjotkah: on what grounds? |
| 17:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | *shrug* |
| 17:53.22 | zehjotkah | don't know... they would find something... |
| 17:53.26 | javispedro | was writing exactly the same as RST38h ;) |
| 17:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | round corners |
| 17:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | usage of character "i" |
| 17:54.19 | javispedro | Usage of an electronical device with an screen |
| 17:54.20 | DocScrutinizer | 16bit ints |
| 17:54.25 | javispedro | hah |
| 17:54.26 | zehjotkah | :D |
| 17:54.47 | RST38h | are 16bit ints copyrighted nowadays? |
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| 17:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | sure, like rounded corners are |
| 17:55.11 | zehjotkah | using intelectual property, stolen from apples store on non apple-authorized hw ^^ |
| 17:55.16 | Venemo | but only in USA. |
| 17:55.20 | zehjotkah | something like this |
| 17:55.23 | javispedro | Palm got a patent on handle -> lock() -> void* memory management |
| 17:55.27 | zehjotkah | they would find something for sure |
| 17:55.29 | javispedro | so I can believe anything these days |
| 17:56.24 | RST38h | "Defendant's hindquarters resemble the copyrighted Apple logo" |
| 17:56.36 | RST38h | Will this work in court? |
| 17:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 17:56.54 | zehjotkah | anyways, if someone would make something like wine but ios -> another OS, he would be famous over night |
| 17:57.09 | RST38h | thinks of remedies and falls to the floor |
| 17:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | back to vboost |
| 17:58.02 | javispedro | zehjotkah: it quickly gets tedious when you get to the largest list of apple classes, what I wanted to see was if I could avoid that and just get to the point where the application starts doing OpenGL ES calls |
| 17:58.07 | javispedro | *large list |
| 17:58.54 | javispedro | sadly, all of the applications in my test set used way too much of the iphone to be able to do it in a few weekends which is where my attention span ends =) |
| 17:59.17 | javispedro | *of the iphone api |
| 17:59.24 | zehjotkah | hmmm |
| 18:00.16 | javispedro | (they were all games, I mean) |
| 18:00.32 | zehjotkah | of course ;) |
| 18:01.11 | zehjotkah | btw. what's up with PreEnv for Harmattan? ;) |
| 18:01.30 | zehjotkah | let me guess: aegis? ^^ |
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| 18:03.05 | javispedro | plus, there was a problem that maybe Stskeeps knows about. iOS mandates 4-byte stack alignment, eabi seems to mandate 8. So either you write small wrappers everywhere (not an automatic task, because depending on the number of function arguments, you need to copy part of the stack) |
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| 18:03.34 | javispedro | or you get random crashes in c library functions which in some ways I still don't understand really assume 8-byte alignment even when only doing integers =) |
| 18:03.52 | javispedro | zehjotkah: well, webos is dead, so it has lost a bit of interest. |
| 18:04.03 | javispedro | plus, I wasn't able to get a touchpad.. |
| 18:04.14 | faenil | I was looking for one too :( |
| 18:04.31 | zehjotkah | but there are some nice games for webos which would run really nicely on the N9/N950 |
| 18:04.39 | zehjotkah | for example I'm really missing risk |
| 18:04.46 | zehjotkah | the game "risk" |
| 18:05.07 | zehjotkah | https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.ea.app.risk |
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| 18:05.43 | javispedro | hey, maybe EA will port them this time </optimist> |
| 18:06.01 | zehjotkah | yeah for sure they will ^^ |
| 18:06.14 | zehjotkah | </sarkastic realist> |
| 18:07.37 | TheBootroo | EA has partnershio with MeeGo and had not with maemo so we can realistically think they WILL port some games |
| 18:07.47 | TheBootroo | have NFS Shift) |
| 18:07.52 | TheBootroo | (we already a |
| 18:08.08 | zehjotkah | hm, yeah, you're right... /hoping |
| 18:09.43 | gri | ea games are mostly sdl |
| 18:09.54 | javispedro | not really sdl |
| 18:10.00 | javispedro | ah well |
| 18:10.06 | javispedro | dunno what they used in harmattan, maybe they do! |
| 18:10.10 | gri | The webos ones were |
| 18:10.12 | javispedro | would be happy to hear |
| 18:10.17 | javispedro | gri: _all_ webos games are SDL |
| 18:10.49 | javispedro | the EA games I know about are basically based on some old JavaME -> C++ converter, |
| 18:10.58 | gri | uahh.. |
| 18:11.31 | javispedro | they still sometimes print "java.lang.String" on stdout =) |
| 18:11.32 | gri | btw. everything EA takes over gets bad :/ |
| 18:17.33 | wazd | gri: well, I wouldn't be that radical :P |
| 18:18.58 | GeneralAntilles | Let's hope Mass Effect 3 doesn't suck. |
| 18:19.08 | javispedro | hah |
| 18:19.40 | javispedro | 2 sucked for me, 1 has been virtually the only FPS I've been able to stand until completing it |
| 18:19.42 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: why would it :) |
| 18:19.56 | javispedro | but 2, I stopped right after 5 minutes and still haven't picked it up again. |
| 18:20.14 | gri | only waits for Assasins Creed Revelations and Uncharted 3 - I waited the whole year for them and still two month to go :( |
| 18:20.21 | wazd | javispedro: I was playing thru 2 like a child :) |
| 18:20.43 | wazd | javispedro: haven't touched 1 yet |
| 18:21.31 | javispedro | 1 gets tedious IMHO towards the end, but I quite like how it starts |
| 18:21.36 | wazd | javispedro: want to wait until the third release, install the whole series and play through in a crazy marathon :D |
| 18:21.48 | ajalkane | I'm still waiting for Assasins Greed 2 without over the board DRM |
| 18:22.07 | wazd | ajalkane: use tpb, luke :P |
| 18:22.14 | gri | ajalkane, PS3 :D |
| 18:22.26 | wazd | though AC2 is an amazing game |
| 18:22.27 | ajalkane | tpb? |
| 18:22.48 | hiemanshu | AC2 is awesome |
| 18:22.54 | gri | wazd, I love the story! Can't wait to continue |
| 18:22.56 | ajalkane | ah, I've never had consoles |
| 18:23.14 | wazd | ajalkane: thep-bay :) |
| 18:23.29 | hiemanshu | or at the green demon :D |
| 18:23.48 | ajalkane | wazd: haha yeah, I might. Still would prefer legal way |
| 18:23.59 | wazd | gri: not only story, but the whole bunch of historical material wisely implemented into the game is really fascinating. |
| 18:24.22 | gri | I want his suit |
| 18:24.39 | wazd | no wonder the producer of AC is a woman :P |
| 18:25.13 | wazd | ajalkane: I've bought the legal copy right after finishing the pirated one |
| 18:25.22 | wazd | ajalkane: Cause I was just stunned |
| 18:25.30 | ajalkane | I liked even first AC, even with all its faults |
| 18:25.48 | wazd | First was sorta boring |
| 18:26.16 | gri | First was doing the same things over and over again |
| 18:26.18 | ajalkane | wazd: thing is I don't wanna support that kinda drm with my money |
| 18:26.24 | gri | They impoved in 2 |
| 18:26.28 | gri | +r |
| 18:26.41 | ajalkane | yeah, first got tedious quite fast |
| 18:27.09 | gri | ajalkane, If you don't like drm, get a console. Placing AC is great with ps3/xbox controller |
| 18:27.13 | wazd | not only the same things, but virtual invincibility of the character |
| 18:27.14 | gri | playing! arg |
| 18:27.25 | zehjotkah | I'm waiting for just cause 3 ;) |
| 18:27.33 | wazd | block+counter, repeat 35000 times |
| 18:27.55 | hiemanshu | gri: I bought a Rumblepad2 just to play AC2 :D |
| 18:28.25 | faenil | Anyone playing diablo 2 ? :D |
| 18:28.34 | faenil | online ofc |
| 18:28.36 | hiemanshu | finished it ages ago |
| 18:28.43 | hiemanshu | waiting for MW3 right now |
| 18:28.49 | faenil | it does not finish :D |
| 18:28.53 | wazd | hiemanshu: hehe, same with me, but I've bought Thrustmaster 3-1 wireless :) |
| 18:28.56 | faenil | you finished sp maybe :) |
| 18:29.12 | hiemanshu | yeah |
| 18:29.14 | hiemanshu | sp :P |
| 18:29.16 | wazd | MW3 is for kids, B3 gogogo :) |
| 18:29.30 | hiemanshu | yeah, B3 as well ofc |
| 18:29.40 | faenil | oh ok :D it is completely different online :D it's still full of people |
| 18:29.41 | faenil | ... |
| 18:29.46 | faenil | so many years have gone, and still |
| 18:29.48 | faenil | :) |
| 18:30.03 | wazd | faenil: I don't want to hurt my mouse anymore :) |
| 18:30.07 | zehjotkah | the only game I've played online was jellybattle :D |
| 18:30.12 | zehjotkah | http://jellybattle.com |
| 18:30.15 | faenil | wazd: ahahha :D |
| 18:30.29 | hiemanshu | I still play good-ole CS |
| 18:30.56 | faenil | ehhe |
| 18:31.31 | hiemanshu | and there is AoE, and C&C Zero Hour |
| 18:31.45 | hiemanshu | oh, and the first two versions of commandos |
| 18:31.53 | faenil | yeah... |
| 18:32.18 | hiemanshu | Beyond the Call of Duty and Behind Enemy Lines |
| 18:33.04 | faenil | I've played COD4 online for about 1 year |
| 18:33.56 | hiemanshu | I prefer BC2 online over COD4 |
| 18:35.20 | faenil | yeah some people do |
| 18:35.43 | hiemanshu | I have finished the SP over 10 times though, in different state of minds |
| 18:36.04 | hiemanshu | COD MW, MW2, BO, all finished in one sitting :P |
| 18:36.21 | faenil | :) |
| 18:36.31 | hiemanshu | well one sitting each :P |
| 18:36.37 | faenil | I usually skip the single player part |
| 18:36.40 | faenil | guessed that :D |
| 18:37.00 | gri | never now your girlfriend(s if you have multiple) "plants vs. zombies"! I always have to fight for my laptop ... |
| 18:37.26 | hiemanshu | gri: thats why you should always have an extra machine :P |
| 18:37.41 | faenil | lol |
| 18:37.44 | hiemanshu | faenil: same with Crysis , Warhead and 2 :D |
| 18:37.58 | faenil | okay I palyed those sp, not online :) |
| 18:38.08 | hiemanshu | I play 2 online |
| 18:38.09 | faenil | crysis and warhead I mean |
| 18:38.15 | faenil | I played 2 demo online |
| 18:38.26 | hiemanshu | I got a limited edition one from steam just for the goodies |
| 18:38.32 | faenil | :D |
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| 18:42.02 | Elessar | does anybody know if USB on go works for N950? |
| 18:43.17 | faenil | I don't think so |
| 18:43.23 | faenil | usb hdd u mean |
| 18:44.15 | kimju | no software support for host mode (at least not yet) |
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| 18:44.52 | zehjotkah | according to the harmattan device community program wiki, Mohamad AG is working on it |
| 18:45.27 | hiemanshu | zehjotkah: well more than just MohammadAG |
| 18:48.08 | zehjotkah | ah, yes, sorry: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia |
| 18:52.31 | wazd | just in case, is there any way to add custom stuff to the statusbar menu? :) |
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| 19:31.47 | javispedro | hmpf |
| 19:31.57 | javispedro | my N950 has stopped received mail from POP3S gmail |
| 19:32.39 | javispedro | seems like a temporary error, logs says it's receiving "-ERR Unknown command" from the server |
| 19:33.16 | RST38h | it actually works with pop3? |
| 19:33.33 | RST38h | is afraid to try, after losing 1 week of mail to the n900 Modest |
| 19:34.14 | javispedro | yeah, it used to work |
| 19:35.00 | javispedro | in fact it worked this morning, so it must really be a temporary error |
| 19:35.02 | javispedro | hopes so |
| 19:40.10 | frals | hmm |
| 19:40.18 | frals | anyone found a decent api to get sim imsi? |
| 19:40.45 | frals | nvm, qsystemdeviceinfo should have it |
| 19:43.12 | dm8tbr | frals: erm, if you really can get the IMSI that way I'd be concerned. did you mean IMEI? |
| 19:43.21 | ieatlint | yeah, i was about to say |
| 19:43.25 | frals | dm8tbr: i meant imsi |
| 19:43.33 | ieatlint | i know the "systeminfo" app gives out the imsi, which irked me |
| 19:43.36 | frals | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/qsystemdeviceinfo.html#imsi-prop |
| 19:44.04 | dm8tbr | o.O |
| 19:44.10 | ieatlint | if aegis allows apps to randomly query the imsi, then god damn, wtf does it even remotely accomplish? |
| 19:45.00 | dm8tbr | IMSI on a GSM network level is considered close to secret |
| 19:45.23 | Venemo | MUHAHAHA |
| 19:46.49 | ieatlint | ok, if that works, i'm going to make an "IMSI Harvester" application for purely educational analytics |
| 19:47.31 | Venemo | ieatlint, how much 're you going to pay me if I add your IMSI Harvester to my app and upload it to Ovi Store? :P |
| 19:47.32 | ieatlint | "Compare your IMSI to other users! See if your's is better!" |
| 19:47.56 | ieatlint | maybe with one fewer apostrophe though |
| 19:48.04 | ieatlint | Venemo: i'll buy you a beer? |
| 19:48.09 | dm8tbr | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Reading_IMSI_in_3rd_Edition - hmmmm |
| 19:48.45 | Venemo | ieatlint, :P |
| 19:48.46 | ieatlint | dm8tbr: the ReadDeviceData capability in symbian requires a special certificate |
| 19:48.59 | dm8tbr | ah |
| 19:49.04 | ieatlint | you can't just throw together an app and run that program, even on your own device |
| 19:49.09 | ieatlint | you need to get it signed |
| 19:49.18 | dm8tbr | *nod* |
| 19:50.51 | ieatlint | i just blindly assumed the "systeminfo" app went through a similar signing process |
| 19:51.09 | dm8tbr | hmm there seems to be a AT command for it. need to try with some phones :) |
| 19:53.33 | frals | did anyone find a nice list of all the icons available? |
| 19:53.53 | frals | developer.nokia.com api library seems complete shit and refuses to let me find anything of value |
| 19:54.12 | RST38h | frals: Wait until they completely switch to MSDN |
| 19:54.21 | Venemo | frals, yes, they're in a directory somewhere... forgot the name, but I think somewhere in /usr/share/themes/blanco/icons maybe? |
| 19:54.54 | frals | Venemo: cheers, figured if they were all shown on a nice page somewhere but i guess thats expecting too much |
| 19:55.11 | Venemo | frals, if there is such a page, I haven't seen it :) |
| 19:55.23 | ieatlint | clearly someone should make such a page |
| 19:55.33 | RST38h | clearly not Nokia |
| 19:55.48 | ieatlint | that should be their new slogan |
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| 19:58.53 | Venemo | RST38h, what's wrong with MSDN? |
| 20:03.00 | frals | so this publish&subscripe api seems dysfunctional, thats great |
| 20:03.06 | frals | qprocess::execute <3 |
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| 20:09.27 | mtd | wazd: did you figure out any way of adding things to the statusbar? |
| 20:09.51 | mtd | wazd: Files like /usr/share/meegotouch/applicationextensions/statusindicatormenu-presence.desktop seem vaguely interesting |
| 20:10.06 | javispedro | you cannot add things to the statusbar |
| 20:10.18 | javispedro | it's hardcoded |
| 20:11.11 | ieatlint | does that include when you have it drop down? |
| 20:11.18 | javispedro | afaik, yes. |
| 20:11.37 | smokex | does anyone know how that guy got the flashlight app to actually do torch mode (from ovi store) |
| 20:11.49 | javispedro | "torch mode"? |
| 20:12.25 | ieatlint | if i had to guess, there's a file in /sys that you can use to toggle the led that he hits |
| 20:12.29 | smokex | FlashTorch if it worked properly in mobility |
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| 20:13.03 | smokex | k I'll check there thanks |
| 20:13.23 | javispedro | Aegis should forbit that.. |
| 20:13.26 | javispedro | *forbid... |
| 20:13.57 | javispedro | re adding things to status bar, see http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4117 and vote in the attached bug report |
| 20:16.31 | mtd | javispedro: disappointing, but thanks for the info |
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| 20:31.44 | mtd | anyone rebuilt python-minimal? I think I need to request some aegis permissions for python scripts, and for development I'd like /usr/bin/python to have the perms...but if someone has already done it... |
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| 20:46.52 | joejoe | javispedro, i went to bed yesterday, here is the broken package http://pcmlich.fit.vutbr.cz/tmp/chordie_0.0.1_armel.deb , today found out, that it helps to remove some png images from package |
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| 20:47.31 | joejoe | i still do not understand where was the problem, but it is working now for me.. |
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| 21:29.27 | mtd | has python-minimal .debs with extra aegis perms, but I'm getting the "not replacing [existing package] from unknown origin" error from aegis when I install my signed debs...any tips? |
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| 21:47.33 | mtd | guesses he will have to disable aegis unless someone has an easier way of replacing nokia-provided .debs. |
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| 21:59.59 | Mek_ | uninstall the one you want to replace first... |
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| 22:02.54 | mtd | I suppse that shouldn't break too much... |
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