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| 00:21.30 | berndhs | would be cool to have a screen recorder, since most interesting apps will have dynamic behaviour |
| 00:21.42 | berndhs | static screenshots don't really tell you about that |
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| 00:51.29 | artemm | trying to use GConfItem, mere #include results in that it can't #include glib.h :/ |
| 00:51.44 | artemm | Is there some .pro setting to do? |
| 00:55.07 | berndhs | artemm: pkgconfig for glib maybe ? |
| 00:55.07 | artemm | sorry, berndhs, that;s all Greek to me |
| 00:55.30 | berndhs | qmake understands pkgconfig |
| 00:56.21 | artemm | u mean like this in the .pro file? |
| 00:56.21 | artemm | CONFIG += link_pkgconfig |
| 00:56.21 | artemm | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.31 | berndhs | right |
| 00:57.13 | artemm | what would be the file? |
| 00:57.14 | berndhs | that's assuming that (a) you have glib-dev available, and (b) pkgconfig knows about it |
| 00:57.39 | artemm | hmm, I have only what QtSdk installed |
| 00:57.49 | artemm | and I am cross-compiling for harmattan |
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| 00:58.09 | artemm | I was told GConfItem is designed for harmattan |
| 00:58.10 | berndhs | right, so you're at the mercy of whatever the SDK knows about |
| 00:58.23 | berndhs | i don't know how to add libs to that |
| 00:58.24 | artemm | so if needs glib, probably it exists somewhere |
| 00:59.20 | berndhs | right, and then you need glib on the dvice, and glib-dev in the SDK |
| 01:00.36 | artemm | hey, PKGCONFIG += glib-dev worked! |
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| 01:00.47 | berndhs | ah good |
| 01:03.02 | artemm | oh no, it didn't |
| 01:03.32 | artemm | i guess I must find correct path to use with PKGCONFIG |
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| 01:04.50 | berndhs | not if pkgconfig knows the lib, then it will know the path |
| 01:04.53 | berndhs | that's what its for |
| 01:05.04 | artemm | ok, then lib name is wrong |
| 01:05.13 | berndhs | try just glib |
| 01:05.17 | artemm | found PKGCONFIG += gq-gconf on the web |
| 01:05.21 | artemm | doesn't work |
| 01:05.58 | artemm | and that is strange |
| 01:06.12 | artemm | because I found it in a code that uses GConfItem |
| 01:06.18 | artemm | http://projects.developer.nokia.com/hpodcatcher/browser/Podcatcher.pro |
| 01:07.36 | berndhs | well, not everything you find in blogs actually works as advertised :) |
| 01:07.51 | artemm | that is source code, nit blog |
| 01:07.58 | artemm | trying to download and compile it now |
| 01:08.19 | berndhs | not all sourcecode you find works either |
| 01:08.24 | artemm | :) |
| 01:08.27 | artemm | indeed |
| 01:10.28 | berndhs | glib-2.0 I think |
| 01:10.56 | artemm | didn't worl |
| 01:10.56 | artemm | k |
| 01:11.08 | artemm | I ran qmake certainlt |
| 01:11.09 | artemm | y |
| 01:11.21 | berndhs | i can build something here with glib-2.0, it links ok |
| 01:11.21 | artemm | ok, maybe for tomorrow |
| 01:11.31 | berndhs | but then my app doesn't actually use it |
| 01:11.41 | artemm | well, I am really new to Qt |
| 01:11.59 | berndhs | just qmake and the linker don't complain when it says ..... -lglib-2.0 eventually |
| 01:12.02 | artemm | while I can do c++ I can misunderstand something really basic about qt |
| 01:12.17 | artemm | it doesn't get to linker |
| 01:12.29 | artemm | preprocessor can't find glib.h |
| 01:12.52 | berndhs | hmm let me try soemthing |
| 01:12.52 | artemm | #included from some gconf includes |
| 01:13.37 | artemm | to my limited knowledge of Qt some kind of plugin is missing from CONFIG |
| 01:13.50 | berndhs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.01 | berndhs | that's in the SDK |
| 01:14.13 | artemm | can you do #include <gconf/2/gconf/gconf.h>? |
| 01:14.57 | artemm | and to me autocompletion doesn't even show glib.h |
| 01:15.08 | artemm | well, correctly since it can't #iclude it |
| 01:15.12 | artemm | #include |
| 01:15.38 | artemm | can you post your .pro file to pastebin? |
| 01:15.51 | artemm | I'll examine it for the suspicious variables |
| 01:18.15 | berndhs | let me try that include |
| 01:18.30 | artemm | well, it doesn't matter |
| 01:18.50 | artemm | obviously compiler can find glib on your system and can't on mine |
| 01:18.55 | artemm | question is why |
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| 01:19.16 | artemm | and I mean glib includes for now |
| 01:19.22 | berndhs | with just that include, it finds that file, but not the stuff included from <gconf/2/gconf/gconf.h> |
| 01:19.23 | artemm | it doesn't even get to linker |
| 01:20.38 | artemm | maybe just gconf.h? |
| 01:21.06 | berndhs | http://pastie.org/2516061 |
| 01:21.14 | berndhs | that's the pkgconfig stuff in there |
| 01:21.24 | artemm | looking |
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| 01:23.04 | artemm | nothing suspicious there |
| 01:23.17 | artemm | I even tried cloning your CXXFLAGS |
| 01:23.22 | berndhs | its pretty ordinary as .pro files go |
| 01:23.23 | artemm | just in case\ |
| 01:23.31 | artemm | ok, for tomorrow then |
| 01:23.40 | artemm | I know the guy who created gconfitem |
| 01:23.49 | artemm | he may be able to advise :) |
| 01:24.06 | berndhs | yeah |
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| 14:11.50 | MohammadAG | ffs is there no simple C++ model example for MTF lists... |
| 14:16.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | moo MohammadAG |
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| 14:18.23 | MohammadAG | moo DocScrutinizer51 |
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| 14:27.34 | javispedro | btw |
| 14:27.43 | javispedro | how to make QtC for harmattan create a debian source package? |
| 14:29.34 | rzr | i am about to explain that |
| 14:29.48 | javispedro | I kinda remember that it did for Fremantle, but the option is conspicuously missing from harmattan.. |
| 14:29.49 | berndhs | take a deep breath |
| 14:30.00 | javispedro | berndhs: ah, it doesn't, eh? |
| 14:30.02 | rzr | javispedro: look at debian_harmattan files |
| 14:30.12 | javispedro | would not be surprised |
| 14:31.08 | javispedro | rzr: but no way to do it from point&click? If I have to do it "my way" I already know how |
| 14:31.46 | javispedro | if there's no automated way, that's another nail in the coffin for formeego.org... |
| 14:32.05 | berndhs | i hack the files in debian_harmattan to look reasonable, and then use dpkg-source from the fedora repos |
| 14:33.35 | javispedro | ah, there's Jaffa 's tool I see |
| 14:34.26 | berndhs | then i have a script http://pastie.org/2518430 that makes things acceptable to c.obs |
| 14:36.56 | rzr | i am talking w/ someone of the meego malaysia cummunity an event is going to happend next week , do u have idea on how to promote it locally ? |
| 14:37.29 | MohammadAG | the N9's 299 euros o_O |
| 14:37.42 | rzr | MohammadAG: in singapure ? |
| 14:37.58 | MohammadAG | looks like it |
| 14:41.13 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: that's surprisingly cheap |
| 14:41.28 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yeah |
| 14:41.30 | rzr | not for a stone :) |
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| 15:04.52 | rcg | MohammadAG: got a source for that? |
| 15:05.23 | rcg | am most likely going to singapur in december |
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| 15:17.10 | rcg | nvm found it on nokia.com.sg |
| 15:18.04 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if they're doing a touchpad thing |
| 15:21.52 | SpeedEvil | I fail in finding a 299e mention |
| 15:23.11 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, http://www.nokia.com.my/find-product/all-phones/nokia-n9/check-availability |
| 15:23.14 | rcg | http://www.nokia.com.sg/find-products/products/nokia-n9/check-availability?intc=ncomprod-fw-ilc-hdr-chkavailable_0x0-na-ncomprod-sg-en-1todtmt79686a#preorder |
| 15:23.29 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 15:24.12 | DocScrutinizer | fsckng nokia.com.sg/find_productsfooo thoroughly locked up my browser |
| 15:24.55 | RST38h | Well, don't go to exotic far away places! =) |
| 15:24.58 | MohammadAG | does the N950 takes ages to get a GPS lock? |
| 15:25.15 | rcg | define ages |
| 15:25.23 | rcg | takes about 10-20 seconds here iirc |
| 15:25.26 | SpeedEvil | The n900 can take ages to get lock |
| 15:25.38 | SpeedEvil | For example, my n900 took about 10 mins yesterday |
| 15:25.41 | MohammadAG | rcg, 4 minutes so far |
| 15:25.45 | SpeedEvil | (date was set a couple of years off) |
| 15:25.53 | dm8tbr | MohammadAG: does it have a network connection? |
| 15:25.57 | rcg | yay.. yeah thats quite long |
| 15:25.58 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 15:26.21 | dm8tbr | then it should do the agps thing |
| 15:26.49 | MohammadAG | yes, I know |
| 15:27.01 | rcg | MohammadAG: i noticed some problems when the map app was "minimized".. after "maximizing" it again it regularly claimed to have gps lock but kept showing the old position |
| 15:27.12 | MohammadAG | rcg, own app |
| 15:27.19 | rcg | alright |
| 15:28.18 | SpeedEvil | Does the 'buy' link on the above pages work for anyone? |
| 15:28.21 | MohammadAG | locked |
| 15:28.39 | RST38h | Cannot buy from Ovi Store or even login to Ovi Store. |
| 15:28.51 | RST38h | No SIM card in the device. Might that be a problem? |
| 15:28.54 | rcg | SpeedEvil: nope |
| 15:29.02 | SpeedEvil | I've got a SIM in the phone, and I can't do that |
| 15:29.34 | javispedro | MohammadAG: btw, which API are you using for position info? |
| 15:30.16 | MohammadAG | javispedro, Qt Mobility |
| 15:30.33 | javispedro | (just curiosity). |
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| 15:35.05 | levy | is there any site which lists all the current apps available for the n9? |
| 15:35.29 | artemm2 | store.ovi.com? |
| 15:35.49 | dm8tbr | and FOSS apps at some point soon in apps.formeego.org |
| 15:37.14 | levy | what is FOSS? |
| 15:37.53 | levy | and artemm2, I can't find any apps for the n9 in the ovistore since you can't pick n9 to display apps for |
| 15:38.10 | dm8tbr | free and open source software |
| 15:38.21 | artemm2 | levy, you can see them on the phone's ovi store client |
| 15:38.36 | dm8tbr | levy: then you might need to wait for the product to launch |
| 15:38.50 | dm8tbr | only tried store on the device so far... |
| 15:38.57 | artemm2 | on the web you can see apps if u know direct link and after ovi store detected u have N950 (detected as N9) |
| 15:39.12 | dm8tbr | ah |
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| 15:40.09 | levy | hm, maybe I need to try a another language to see the n950 |
| 15:40.31 | levy | dm8tbr do you have the device? |
| 15:40.50 | dm8tbr | has an N950 in front of him |
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| 15:42.27 | levy | any dropbox like app tested? |
| 15:46.13 | rzr | rsync |
| 15:46.26 | dm8tbr | yeah rsync and scp should work fine |
| 15:46.40 | rzr | it does |
| 15:48.00 | dm8tbr | has only used scp for now, worked a-ok |
| 15:48.07 | levy | rsync has a monthly fee? |
| 15:48.21 | dm8tbr | LOL |
| 15:48.24 | dm8tbr | no |
| 15:48.44 | dm8tbr | but you can rent rsync-space for a monthly fee |
| 15:50.20 | dm8tbr | rsync itself is free software, if you happen to have your own server (at home or hosted) then you can use it |
| 15:50.23 | levy | could you please link scp website, my googlingskills lacks |
| 15:50.46 | dm8tbr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol |
| 15:51.27 | dm8tbr | wonders if SSHFS would be possible |
| 15:52.32 | levy | for scp you still need a server yes? I wanna store externally |
| 15:52.58 | kimju | dm8tbr, does the kernel have fuse modules? |
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| 16:11.17 | levy | How is the current Spotify experience on the n9? |
| 16:13.59 | dm8tbr | kimju: seems so \o? |
| 16:14.02 | dm8tbr | \o/ |
| 16:14.15 | MohammadAG | suppose an MWidget sends signal clicked() |
| 16:14.25 | MohammadAG | how do I get a pointer back to the widget? |
| 16:14.32 | MohammadAG | casting QObject::sender() causes a segfault |
| 16:14.49 | kimju | dm8tbr, might still be problem with that fine security framework.. |
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| 16:15.57 | dm8tbr | kimju: yes, I know, but better than not there at all |
| 16:16.54 | MohammadAG | javispedro, does unseal.ko kill all aegis related functions? |
| 16:17.05 | MohammadAG | it's blocking dbus messages when using gdb |
| 16:17.18 | javispedro | per itself it does not do anything other than unsealing |
| 16:17.45 | javispedro | it's what you do afterwards |
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| 16:18.14 | javispedro | either way, have never had any problems with dbus, and I've been using it heavily as of late |
| 16:18.24 | MohammadAG | DBus error: |
| 16:18.24 | MohammadAG | org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied |
| 16:18.24 | MohammadAG | Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.534" (uid=29999 pid=12363 comm="/usr/bin/sociality-mtf ") interface="com.nokia.positioningd.client" member="configSession" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="com.nokia.positioningd.client" (uid=29999 pid=861 comm="/usr/bin/positioningd ")) |
| 16:19.31 | javispedro | MohammadAG: have you echo'd anything to /sys/kernel/debug/* ? |
| 16:19.37 | javispedro | err |
| 16:19.55 | javispedro | /sys/kernel/security/* |
| 16:20.03 | MohammadAG | no |
| 16:21.51 | javispedro | MohammadAG: echo 0x1e7 > /sys/kernel/security/validator/enabled |
| 16:22.01 | javispedro | then retry |
| 16:23.15 | javispedro | note that this undoes what unseal.ko does |
| 16:23.26 | MohammadAG | nope, still denied |
| 16:23.44 | javispedro | so then it's not unseal.ko.. |
| 16:23.57 | javispedro | sure you did not echo anything to /sys/kernel/security/validator/enabled or /sys/kernel/security/validator/enforce ? |
| 16:24.44 | MohammadAG | I never said it's unseal.ko |
| 16:24.58 | MohammadAG | it's like that without doing anything |
| 16:25.21 | javispedro | ah, misunderstood, though you had find some kind of hack in aegis dbus =) |
| 16:25.28 | javispedro | *thought |
| 16:25.51 | javispedro | for the case at hand, I suggest using binhash.py |
| 16:26.02 | javispedro | put it somewhere, run python binhash.py /usr/bin/sociality-mtf |
| 16:26.06 | javispedro | and retry |
| 16:26.51 | MohammadAG | what's binhash.py o_O |
| 16:26.57 | javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/aegis/binhash.py |
| 16:28.32 | javispedro | (but, tbh, I've not tested how it will work in this case... I had to bork my dbus configuration because I wanted to enable eavesdropping/dbus-monitor) |
| 16:31.12 | djszapi | 299 EUR, wow |
| 16:31.27 | SpeedEvil | djszapi: I really question that that's real |
| 16:31.45 | djszapi | I expected 600-700 :p |
| 16:32.05 | SpeedEvil | In some ways, I hope it's not, as that may reflect them simply throwing the first batch out the door, and giving up - like touchpad. |
| 16:32.20 | SpeedEvil | It's too low a price to ever be profitable. |
| 16:32.49 | djszapi | that is a really big wow here. |
| 16:33.07 | djszapi | javispedro: I know how to make global orientation btw |
| 16:33.29 | djszapi | it was much easier after getting sober :p |
| 16:33.30 | javispedro | I did it already =) |
| 16:33.45 | djszapi | okay, I also did in paralel then it seems :p |
| 16:33.55 | djszapi | gconftool-2 -r /meegotouch/target/name |
| 16:34.00 | djszapi | cat /usr/share/meegotouch/targets/Default.conf |
| 16:34.10 | djszapi | and then allowedOrientations |
| 16:34.11 | SpeedEvil | 299 would only make sense if they're trying to massively build market share. |
| 16:34.14 | SpeedEvil | Which... |
| 16:34.35 | javispedro | djszapi: I used a different method that can change it during runtime, via contextkit |
| 16:35.21 | djszapi | mmm, so missing information while describing the issue again ;) |
| 16:36.04 | djszapi | SpeedEvil: I do not know what to think, I am still under a shock |
| 16:36.57 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: ... is incompatible with Elop. |
| 16:37.02 | SpeedEvil | Unless it's a typo. |
| 16:37.09 | SpeedEvil | Which I could easily believe. |
| 16:37.15 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: very, very so. |
| 16:38.23 | djszapi | it is even cheaper than android phones which are famous about their cheapness |
| 16:39.07 | djszapi | javispedro: I cannot still believe you can change the time without the sys_time credential which is not available for unknown origin |
| 16:39.31 | DocScrutinizer | meh, just another detail of trollop's secret plans to bin all OS in Nokia except WinP7 |
| 16:39.41 | javispedro | Not changing the time, just acting as a fake context provider. |
| 16:39.54 | javispedro | with a fake timestamp. |
| 16:40.36 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ no community ntpd |
| 16:40.49 | djszapi | javispedro: acting as a fake context provider where when for what and so on ? |
| 16:40.50 | berndhs | is the 299 a discounted price with a contract perhaps ? |
| 16:41.09 | MohammadAG | no, it's sponsored by Elop |
| 16:41.19 | javispedro | maybe they want to do ala HP =) |
| 16:41.29 | javispedro | still too expensive for that though =) |
| 16:41.41 | MohammadAG | ffs aegis! |
| 16:41.45 | MohammadAG | I need to debug my app :/ |
| 16:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | "sell it at a really competitive price tag!" 6 months later... "See, I toldya it's an economic loss. So now let's bin it for good" |
| 16:42.55 | SpeedEvil | Unless he's decided that windows is a burnin gplatform |
| 16:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder when he realizes his own arse is burning |
| 16:43.41 | djszapi | elop is just a puppet, he does not decide anything alone |
| 16:44.25 | MohammadAG | can I bet a puppet? |
| 16:44.30 | berndhs | sure, if the windows deal doesn't work, they'll have their guilty man to sacrifice |
| 16:45.57 | javispedro | they are going to blame all of us |
| 16:46.01 | javispedro | both users and developers |
| 16:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | sure, that's why you don't get any proper docs to develop cool things, like proper working hostmode, FMRX, etc |
| 16:47.22 | DocScrutinizer | in the end you'd change it to become a success otherwise |
| 16:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | hopes for N9 schematics emerging soon, as - other than N950 - there'll be an actual need to train service centers how to repair N9 |
| 16:51.10 | RST38h | javispedro: who? |
| 16:51.53 | javispedro | RST38h: elop&co |
| 16:53.58 | djszapi | nothing happens when I click on buy N9 though. |
| 17:00.07 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 17:00.15 | MohammadAG | lockscreen shows " " instead of "9" in the clock now |
| 17:00.22 | MohammadAG | is this a known issue or something? |
| 17:01.14 | Stskeeps | bug is fixed, i've used to have it |
| 17:01.29 | MohammadAG | it used to work fine for me... |
| 17:01.40 | MohammadAG | and avatars are missing for me, a red box shows instead of them |
| 17:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it's been about first bug ever reported by community |
| 17:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | (by me to be precise ;-D) |
| 17:03.15 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if we even had chanlogs alrady, back when |
| 17:03.33 | MohammadAG | I remember it now actually |
| 17:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | funny enough occasionally the digit switched to " " changes |
| 17:08.17 | javispedro | MohammadAG: happens on calculator, and I've seen it even oh phone =) |
| 17:09.09 | MohammadAG | heh, rebooted the phone, maybe it'll go |
| 17:09.29 | MohammadAG | and yep, it's gone, 9 shows up again |
| 17:09.34 | MohammadAG | wonders what digit will be next |
| 17:10.21 | MohammadAG | sigh, MBasicHeaderList for facebook sign in sheet is not inverted, the rest of the sheet is |
| 17:10.47 | MohammadAG | oh well, maybe they noticed it in future fws |
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| 17:13.12 | MohammadAG | djszapi, had time to look at how squircling is done? |
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| 17:15.38 | frals | MMaskedImage? |
| 17:17.37 | MohammadAG | frals, sure that class exists? |
| 17:17.46 | frals | nope, but something along those lines ;) |
| 17:18.44 | frals | hm, or is masking from qimage maybe |
| 17:18.54 | frals | im pretty sure its just masking, but not 100% |
| 17:18.57 | MohammadAG | can't find anything along those lines :P |
| 17:19.13 | MohammadAG | what's the masking pattern then? |
| 17:20.09 | frals | you take your pretty rectangle, use a transparent squircle with the rest of the image black and mask out the image with it |
| 17:21.53 | MohammadAG | that's cheating! |
| 17:25.01 | DocScrutinizer | squircle sounds like it's XXX rated |
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| 17:26.08 | frals | MohammadAG: probably the mask is even shipped in theme-folder somwhere as well |
| 17:26.31 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if it will kick fapman off the stair-head |
| 17:29.01 | DocScrutinizer | would love so much to be one of that number of the Nokia department that invents names like NOLO, modest, squircle all day long. Must be as much fun as you can possibly handle |
| 17:29.26 | MohammadAG | squircle is a community name afaik :p |
| 17:29.42 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: the cocaine and other stuff kills you pretty quickly though |
| 17:29.54 | frals | MohammadAG: dont think so ;o |
| 17:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | hey, I'm immune |
| 17:30.32 | frals | come on, naming a project is like, bestest thing ever |
| 17:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | well, I wasn't in as well, when they invented openMOKO, even dirty moko for the uBoot build |
| 17:32.50 | frals | i really wonder who came up with NFC... and why none pointed out "no fuckin clue" to person in question :( |
| 17:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 17:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | short range communication would've been the obvious alternative |
| 17:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf src |
| 17:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | ~spell squircle |
| 17:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | DUH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squircle |
| 17:40.20 | faenil | :O |
| 17:40.34 | RST38h | OMG this thing can actually be described with an equation! |
| 17:40.46 | faenil | it's a portmanteau, you noobs |
| 17:40.48 | faenil | lool XD |
| 17:41.48 | RST38h | portmanwhat? =) |
| 17:42.35 | faenil | xD |
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| 17:42.49 | faenil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portmanteau |
| 17:43.25 | RST38h | plural: portmanteaux |
| 17:46.21 | faenil | have to leave...have a nice evening guys :) cya |
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| 18:31.27 | djszapi | Venemo_N950_: it will be suspicious when "Venemo_N950" changed his nickname to Venemo_N9 :) |
| 18:31.47 | Venemo_N950_ | heh |
| 18:32.04 | Venemo_N950_ | I won't own an N9, likely |
| 18:32.43 | djszapi | just 299 EUR :p |
| 18:33.12 | Venemo_N950_ | I don't have 299 EUR, and I have a superior device. |
| 18:38.37 | djszapi | okay =) |
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| 18:42.23 | Venemo_N950_ | :P |
| 18:42.26 | Venemo_N950_ | I may change my mind if I win the lottery |
| 18:42.33 | Venemo_N950_ | but it's unlikely since I don't play the lottery |
| 18:42.38 | djszapi | well, I wish you more lottery wins :p |
| 18:42.52 | Venemo_N950_ | haha :P |
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| 19:08.39 | gri | Can I change the default shell for the developer user to develsh without screwing up the ssh login? |
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| 19:13.35 | djszapi | should be viable. |
| 19:19.06 | gri | "/bin/develsh is an invalid shell." hmm ok |
| 19:21.55 | gri | oh, forgot to add it to /etc/shells. Now login works using all privileges from the start |
| 19:24.13 | gri | Which now enables me to use the QtCreator debugger on the device! Wow ... |
| 19:24.47 | ajalkane | Start t |
| 19:24.56 | ajalkane | nvm |
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| 19:38.03 | Tronic | gri: Nice :) |
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| 20:23.58 | MohammadAG | liking how fast MTF seems to be |
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| 20:25.31 | MohammadAG | still can't get list models though |
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| 20:36.10 | ajalkane | It's kinda buggering me how slow QML based apps are starting. Makes me question if it's really smart to use it on mobiles if it can't be made faster. |
| 20:36.40 | ajalkane | Almost all the stock apps are QML. Imagine them taking 5 secs to start instead of the second or so they do now. |
| 20:36.47 | MohammadAG | what? |
| 20:36.55 | MohammadAG | most stock apps are MTF |
| 20:36.56 | djszapi | booster is not culsprit, prelinking is imho not available on the image, but prelinking cannot save too much, not even cross-prelinking. |
| 20:36.59 | ajalkane | Correction: almost all are MTF |
| 20:37.22 | djszapi | thought prelinking would be an issue for a cpp app, too. That is not QML specific, so it is some plain QML issue probably. |
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| 20:37.41 | MohammadAG | all interpretted languages are slower than compiled |
| 20:37.52 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: fairly meaningless point. |
| 20:38.52 | ajalkane | The practicality is, interpreted languages can be fast enough. It just seems they are not fast enough on right now on Harmattan. |
| 20:39.18 | ajalkane | At least QML based ones. I don't know if it's something that can be fixed or if we were all better off using MTF. |
| 20:39.37 | MohammadAG | sociality-mtf seems to start in 1-2s |
| 20:39.55 | ajalkane | The argument against using MTF is that it's deprecated. The argument I have against that is that the whole MeeGo with Nokia devices is deprecated. |
| 20:40.15 | ajalkane | So it hardly matters if we use MTF instead of QML |
| 20:40.18 | MohammadAG | MTF is deprecated on MeeGo 1.3 |
| 20:40.24 | MohammadAG | I doubt we'll get that on Harmattan |
| 20:40.29 | ajalkane | yeah |
| 20:40.31 | MohammadAG | and if we do, it's deprecated, not removed |
| 20:40.50 | MohammadAG | I still don't get models though |
| 20:41.01 | MohammadAG | that's the only thing making me do slow progress on sociality |
| 20:43.40 | ajalkane | The thing is, this N9(950)? are powerful machines. QML scripts should not be inherently that slow judging by other script languages. I just don't know if we ever get any improvements there seeing the platform is Elopped. |
| 20:44.09 | MohammadAG | ajalkane, got a facebook? |
| 20:44.33 | ajalkane | MohammadAG: no, I'm too old for that :P |
| 20:44.35 | MohammadAG | no, I don't add random people (:P), just wanted to give you a binary for sociality |
| 20:44.52 | MohammadAG | heh, no one's too old for anything |
| 20:45.22 | ajalkane | yeah, well, I've been resisting that thing for a long time. It's the stubborness in me. |
| 20:45.44 | MohammadAG | point is |
| 20:45.55 | MohammadAG | I don't mind writing longer code, if it runs faster on the device and uses less RAM |
| 20:46.18 | MohammadAG | and C++ is easier for me than JS |
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| 20:47.14 | ajalkane | The RAM usage is the other thing that's bugging me about QML. I'm just not sure if it's the correct model at the moment for mobile space. Maybe in 5 years. But with Harmattan, we're talking about a very specific hardware that's not going to be improved. |
| 20:47.46 | MohammadAG | 1GB is enough |
| 20:48.09 | MohammadAG | I don't my 1GB new phone to be as fast as my 256MB N900 |
| 20:48.16 | MohammadAG | just because the N900 used a less memory intensive app |
| 20:48.21 | MohammadAG | err, tookit |
| 20:48.28 | ajalkane | It's enough, but let's say again if all the stock apps were QML. There would be lots less available memory for user apps. |
| 20:48.44 | MohammadAG | agreed, and user apps aren't helping |
| 20:49.43 | ajalkane | All that said, I started with QML so I'm going with QML. I just have lots of doubts about if it's smart thing on these devices. |
| 20:50.26 | MohammadAG | go with MTF :P |
| 20:50.36 | MohammadAG | it's fairly easy to get used to |
| 20:51.56 | alterego | has been using .qml files recently to sketch out object models. |
| 20:52.00 | gri | nice, you're discussing what I'm thinking :D |
| 20:52.13 | alterego | The QtObject component type is neat :) |
| 20:52.31 | ajalkane | I don't have enough time to get well-versed with another deprecated technology. But if the policy about MTF changes, then I might. I didn't really like some example code I looked at about MTF either. It was pretty annoying looking even coming with QtWidgets background. |
| 20:54.18 | ajalkane | But I do appreciate every developer that takes the MTF route :-D |
| 20:54.22 | gri | is unable to use qml since the ListView crashes when using CommHistory::ConversationModel with it |
| 20:55.01 | ajalkane | alterego: what's neat about QtObject? I haven't had use for it so far so I'm interested what it's good for |
| 20:57.39 | gri | MohammadAG: Do you have knowledge with styling with mtf? I think I'm too stupid for that :) |
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| 20:58.13 | MohammadAG | nope, too stupid for that too :p |
| 20:58.25 | MohammadAG | only know how to switch to inverted, and it's not nice :p |
| 20:59.01 | gri | my test application reacts on some points but ignores MApplicationWindowStyle {} completely for some reason |
| 20:59.10 | gri | do you have an example how you do the switch? |
| 20:59.47 | MohammadAG | https://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/lyrics-mtf/blobs/master/mainwindow.cpp#line20 |
| 20:59.51 | MohammadAG | first MTF code, sorry, it sucks :p |
| 20:59.52 | alterego | ajakpure data and code, when you want to define a mixin like facility without display logic. |
| 21:00.19 | alterego | ajalkane: ^ |
| 21:00.28 | alterego | muffed up the auto complete ;) |
| 21:00.41 | alterego | I should have some good examples on line tomorrow. |
| 21:01.03 | gri | MohammadAG: Where do you have the "Common*" keys from? I have been looking for those :) |
| 21:01.21 | MohammadAG | widgetsgallery source is very useful |
| 21:01.29 | ajalkane | alterego: Okay... if I understood correctly, it's useful if you don't want to have the data in C++ then QtObject is good. I've tended to try keep as much in C++ as possible (data & logic) and have QML only do the presentation of that. |
| 21:01.38 | MohammadAG | https://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouch/libmeegotouch/blobs/master/demos/widgetsgallery/ |
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| 21:03.36 | alterego | ajalkane: sure, that's a good strategy, but it's all up to the developer really. |
| 21:03.52 | alterego | I'm just eerimenting with different paradigms in QML at the moment. |
| 21:05.37 | ajalkane | alterego: yes I know... Many a times I've tempted that it'd be just nicer to go all the way QML, it'd be faster. But some anal-retentive part of me wants to do it "correctly". Even as, really, the correct way in hobby projects is to get results done efficiently. |
| 21:06.21 | berndhs | the correct way in hobby projects isn't any different than in "professional" projects |
| 21:06.28 | alterego | It all depends what you're doing ;) |
| 21:06.50 | alterego | Some projects have a right to be 99% qml ;) |
| 21:06.53 | ajalkane | I disagree. In hobby projects I must enjoy what I'm doing. In professional projects that's secondary. |
| 21:07.09 | berndhs | i mean, hobbyists don't write bad code on purpose |
| 21:07.28 | ajalkane | oh sure... but you can write good code in many ways. |
| 21:07.37 | berndhs | i feel awful when I know my code is inefficient or buggy |
| 21:07.44 | alterego | agrees |
| 21:07.50 | berndhs | whether I get paid for it or not |
| 21:07.54 | alterego | That's why I'm depressed all the time ;) |
| 21:07.57 | lcuk | berndhs, all code is inefficent and buggy |
| 21:08.03 | lcuk | we are human, not perfect |
| 21:08.21 | berndhs | sure we all make mistakes, but some code is purposely inefficient |
| 21:08.43 | lcuk | it is easier on desktop to code inefficient code |
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| 21:08.51 | berndhs | i don't see that |
| 21:08.54 | MohammadAG | <alterego> Some projects have a right to be 99% qml ;) memtestARM is one of them :p |
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| 21:08.58 | berndhs | its just as painful |
| 21:09.01 | ajalkane | yes... but for example, in my hobby projects, often unit tests come last or not at all. I can't be bothered with them until the code gets really complex. In professional projects that's a no-go and I start writing them at the same time as code. |
| 21:09.11 | lcuk | berndhs, i always try to write optimal code |
| 21:09.17 | lcuk | in whichever language |
| 21:09.37 | lcuk | would really like to upgrade rotation code |
| 21:09.45 | berndhs | i try to think of which parts need optimization and which don't |
| 21:09.50 | lcuk | because it is software rotation and slow |
| 21:10.04 | lcuk | when the graphics hardware can handle it if it werent for buggy drivers |
| 21:10.27 | ajalkane | I don't think about optimization until performance becomes an issue. Root of all evil and all that... |
| 21:10.37 | berndhs | sure |
| 21:10.49 | artemm2 | funny, so coding without unit tests is faster for you, ajalkane ? Or do you code your hobby projects slower on purpose? |
| 21:10.51 | berndhs | but in some cases its obvious |
| 21:10.52 | ajalkane | Of course some rudimentary common sense. |
| 21:11.09 | ajalkane | artemm2: yes it's faster for me without unit tests |
| 21:11.27 | ajalkane | especially UI heavy projects |
| 21:11.32 | berndhs | actually unit tests don't make code better if it already works :) |
| 21:11.58 | lcuk | unit tests ensure the code does not gain regressions |
| 21:12.02 | artemm2 | oh well, if you add tests when everything already works, it won't make things faster indeed :) |
| 21:12.08 | lcuk | but only for the specific cases the test is for |
| 21:12.53 | ajalkane | Unit tests are good for testing logic, and making sure regressions don't happen. If there's intricate logic, I'd write unit tests because that would speed things up. |
| 21:13.24 | lcuk | speed up the testing phase |
| 21:13.35 | artemm2 | interesting, got it |
| 21:14.11 | rzr | berndhs: hi are the guy behind e6irc ? |
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| 21:14.19 | berndhs | yes thats me |
| 21:14.36 | rzr | the app is weird |
| 21:14.37 | berndhs | what's wrong with it ? |
| 21:14.47 | rzr | it forks the current window |
| 21:14.57 | berndhs | only if you want to |
| 21:15.12 | rzr | so i have the desktop screen as a regular app |
| 21:15.17 | berndhs | that's useful if you run it on desktop, to float different windoes |
| 21:15.30 | rzr | but it does not start the app |
| 21:15.37 | rzr | are there args flags to use ? |
| 21:15.40 | berndhs | you might be looking at an old version that had a bug |
| 21:15.45 | rzr | oki |
| 21:16.02 | berndhs | the current version doesn't do that, but it has float/dock logic in it |
| 21:16.46 | rzr | let me try to rebuild from github |
| 21:16.49 | berndhs | i haven't found a good test for running on a phone, right no i look at whether it has a SIM |
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| 21:19.38 | rzr | + debuild -S should not build the project |
| 21:19.48 | rzr | that tree needs some fixes too |
| 21:22.16 | rzr | berndhs-e6irc-f07086f |
| 21:22.21 | rzr | what's that ? |
| 21:24.26 | ajalkane | Anyone know what's the correct base text color with inverted background? |
| 21:33.12 | ajalkane | okay... inverted theme seems anyway annoying with QML, so maybe I'll drop that. It just seems nicer to my eye and the design guidelines recommend dark colors. Yet the QML components seem more designed for the light theme. |
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| 21:36.29 | MohammadAG | I wish inverted was white |
| 21:37.01 | ajalkane | yeah me too. Seems kinda odd regarding design guidelines that the default is light. |
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| 22:01.40 | GeneralAntilles | wants his damn MetaWatch. |
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| 22:18.22 | artemm2 | just to double check: is there anybody who worked with gconf from Qt? |
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| 22:20.35 | alterego | artemm2: I have |
| 22:20.53 | artemm2 | alterego: using GConfItem? |
| 22:20.58 | artemm2 | Or ValueSpace? |
| 22:24.09 | alterego | MGConfItem |
| 22:24.15 | alterego | And I've used ValueSpace too |
| 22:24.15 | artemm2 | I am trying to make it work, but QValueSpaceSubscriber/Publisher somehow don't see gconf values and I fail to compile anything that uses GConfItem, even some public code from web |
| 22:24.26 | artemm2 | MGConfItem? |
| 22:24.42 | artemm2 | hmm, didn't try it |
| 22:24.45 | alterego | artemm2: it's an MTF helper, works nicely though |
| 22:25.14 | artemm2 | I'll try it, but while you are here, I'll ask you about ValueSpace as well |
| 22:25.26 | artemm2 | it feels like a bit more proper way to me |
| 22:25.43 | artemm2 | I am able to read and write value I am interested in via gconftool-2 |
| 22:26.03 | artemm2 | but when I ask QValueSpaceSubscriber to read the same it returns empty string |
| 22:26.18 | artemm2 | setting this value with publisher also has no effect |
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| 22:26.44 | artemm2 | both are isConnected() |
| 22:28.55 | artemm2 | BTW, how do I use MGConfItem? I guess something needs to be added to .pro's CONFIG |
| 22:32.15 | artemm2 | ok, figured that it's in meegotouch |
| 22:39.33 | artemm2 | wonders if cron.hourly works in #harmattan By default only cron.daily and cron.weekly are present |
| 22:39.53 | artemm2 | I need some way for executing code "about daily" |
| 22:40.17 | artemm2 | plus-minus an hour is ok, but plus-minus half a day is too much |
| 22:42.54 | artemm2 | hey, there's no cron process running on my N950 :/ |
| 22:43.07 | artemm2 | how on earth do reminders work then? |
| 22:46.45 | alterego | alarmd (I think) |
| 22:46.52 | artemm2 | oh |
| 22:47.22 | artemm2 | will google for alarmd then |
| 22:47.40 | artemm2 | hopefully it can run my process as well |
| 22:50.45 | artemm2 | actually ps doesn't show alarmd running |
| 22:51.02 | artemm2 | there is something called timed though |
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